Cop VS Dirty Civilian VS Mil | Gun Belt Set Ups
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- Looking to get your first belt, upgrade what you already have, or just want to know about the different options and why you would set it up a certain way? Here you go. In this video we have Josh from Dirty Civilian, Zach a law enforcement officer friend of ours, and Drew covering the different types of belts and how to set them up.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:12 Overview
1:53 Bio's
3:15 Types "Over/Under"
6:21 Types "Battle Belt"
8:38 Types "Velcro Only/Competition"
9:28 Advantages/Disadvantages
11:58 Purposes Military
16:53 Purposes Cop
27:36 Purposes Dirty Civilian
31:20 Influences/Final Thoughts
34:58 Conclusion
36:03 Outtakes
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Zach is the most law enforcement looking law enforcement guy ive ever seen.
This fuckin killed me
Ha ha ha
Stud. 💪🏻
10/10 he’s writing you that ticket.
Its like, tell me you're a cop without saying a word.
For new officers watching this, Zach is on point with what he is saying. You're going to want all the things on your belt, overtime it will hurt you. Lower back issues and especially hip flexor issues will arise. After a while, recognize what you need and slim down to just that. Keep the rest in a bag in the front seat.
My Dept issues us outter carriers. Personally, I would recommend keeping everything you can take into a secure facility on your vest, and use the belt for everything you can't (gun, mags, ecw, blades, cuff keys, baton, etc).
Or u pray u have an outer carrier
@Cabbagepatch66 my previous depth was against load bearing outer carriers. My new one it is good to go, but after all these years, I'm used to everything on my belt. And if I have to wear my heavy vest I know I got everything I need on my belt.
You can also get suspenders for your gun belt. That's what I did when I was on duty helped save my back some trouble.
@AmericanMinuteman95 yeah, I got the back defender, buy since being in a patrol car I find I don't need it as much.
I’ve been wearing the Trex speed belt as my LE duty belt for about 10 months now. 10 hour days 5 days a week. Around 1200 hours total in the belt. Have had zero issues. It’s been super comfortable and reliable.
I have been wearing the trex speed belt since it launched by far the most comfortable duty belt I’ve worn over the last 8 years. Highly recommend it! The inner belt is awesome compared to anything I used prior. No issues either. Everything stays very securely in place when running or fighting with people. I don’t miss those damn belt keepers
Just bought one of the trex arms speed belts. Just a civilian here, but it looks and feels high quality and I'm glad to know its comfy from someone who wears it for hrs a day.
The way he speaks, presented himself, do things with a purpose, that sir is a good cop that we all need! Thank you!
You no idea what kind of cop he is from this video 🤦 speculation
@@69newportking - All indications are positive though. No need for you to throw shade baselessly.
@@colin1818positive indications on a video where he’s talking about something he enjoys with a camera in his face has nothing to do with how he treats people on the job lol
@@RealNaisuCinema How many times do I have to say "no need for you to throw shade baselessly"? Because you're still doing it.
Grow up.
Lots of memories here, from a 20+ year cop's perspective. I come from the days of mandated 'clarino leather' gear (the heavy, shiny stuff shown at 24:35 in the video), belt keepers, & heavy, SW4506 duty guns. As an A type, very fit, young buck, I didn't think twice about the weight and barely thought about the long-term damage to my hips, back, and legs from poorly considered gear placement. Some of the old timers warned me, and I made minor adjustments, but I didn't feel discomfort, so I didn't think it would be a problem 'for me.' -Still, I was one of the first to transition to nylon gear and an HK USP when the opportunity came. My performance immediately improved, dramatically. It was MUCH more comfortable, MUCH lighter, and MUCH more secure. I noticed it, but still didn't think much about it... until a new chief came along and mandated everyone back to clarino leather and the SW4506. The discomfort was immediately noticeable, and the subsequent years with all that (and too much stuff on my spine & either side of my spine) took a toll that I now feel every day... even though I'm out of uniform and working in a suit every day. Be smart about your gear as it relates to your personal longevity.
Agree eith your sentiments. BTW I bet my life on the HK USP .40 and was well served for 6 years
As an older…I SAID OLDER…retired Army fire breathing combat NCO I was recently told by a younger fire breather to keep my skills sharp. So here I am re-gearing myself and my how the gear has changed. I love shows like this that show me what to look for based on my needs and how to put it all together. Thanks gentlemen.
Welcome, old timer.
Time eats at all of us
My father retired as a cwo2 from the Marines. He was just recently told by his old commander(ret) to buff up his shit. So i have as well
As an older civi who is just now getting into the battle belt scene and trying to figure out a setup this is by far the best video I have seen. Thanks
Josh is like the little brother just along for the ride! Lol love all you guys! Especially the DC boys!
The progression of equipment from the old LBE that I was issued and the old law enforcement belts is really astounding. I'd love to see more of these from different people. It's really great to hear "I do it this way because of these factors" instead of "you should do it this way". I use the inner-outer system where the inner is my daily wear belt and the outer has two pistol mags and two rifle mags on the right, drop pouch rear right, pistol left, and one more rifle mag left. I don't wear anything on the front because I found that even angled pistol mags interfered with bending over and going prone comfortably. I added the third rifle mag on the left to balance the belt, as I was feeling my hips being lopsided after a long day on the range (7.62x39 mags are heavy).
I completely agree with you about the changes in gear. The pure brilliance of breaking the LBE/LBV at the waist greatly improves mobility and hip rotation. First time in a full modern kit at 60 years old and I was amazed at the way it allowed me to carry 270 rounds 5.56, 60 rounds 9 mil and the rest of the essentials more comfortably than less weight in the old kits. It has me getting out and back into fighting shape again.
Really enjoying the stuff you’ve been putting out. You present well and it’s all excellent info to have. Thanks for that, and for your service.
Really appreciate you showing the different perspectives. I enjoy the occasional club competition match so I started using those styles of belts first and eventually started working into more of a 2-gun battle belt. The breadth of gear can definitely be daunting to new shooters so great to see this kind of dialogue.
Good stuff. The one thing I still like older neoprene battle belt for a “bump in the night” belt. Mine is a HSGI slim belt that’s not as bulky as the VTAC. Because I have kids, I keep my home defense pistol in a quick access nightstand safe and rifle in a quick access safe in the master closet. Since it’s for home defense and not “battle”, I keep 2 pistol mags, 1 rifle mag, flashlight, pistol holster, OC spray, small “get off me” knife, cuffs, IFAK with a TQ, and some chem sticks. The belt hangs on the SecureIt fast box in the closet where I keep my rifle. Sitting next to the safe is a bigger med bag, large fire extinguisher, and one of those hiviz safety vests with “security” on it to don after an incident so I’m less likely to get popped by responding officers.
As a former Infantry Marine ('81-'85) I can say after watching this, I needed an update. I volunteer for SAR (recent) and, my son is a COP, so there are going to be some conversations over time and trials to fine tune my hopefully improved belt.
Thanks guys, good info!
I'm sorry that your son is a cop. It breaks my heart just reading that.
I love the point of views from different backgrounds on gear. Great information.
Thanks for the invaluable info and insights you guys. One of the best belt discussions I've found
Thank you all; great information.
Would love to see a follow up with advice on conceal carry belt setups
Excellent video; been using various combinations of belts for ages, but this video gave me some new things to check out. Just goes to show there are always new things to learn. Thank you!
Really dig having law enforcement, civilian and military thoughts and advice on this topic! Super rad video. Thanks for sharing and thank you guys for your service and to Josh thanks for your channel, I love it!
Great information, thank you all for what you do.
I'm so glad my department let us buy outer carriers this year. Still have the most important stuff on belt but the extras (Narcan, extra cuffs) can all go on the carrier.
Perfect timing I just bought a whole belt set up 2 hours ago! Thank you sir
Have seen many belt videos… this one was still very thorough and impressive!
My HSGI belt setup helped a ton with the sciatica issues. And I love not having keepers to have to rip off lol.
priceless info brothers. I ve been through two wars, and find your channel fascinating. Always something knew.
I was a police officer for 9 years and here’s the truth: Police work is either boring or deadly. I found my 6 years in the military much less boring. But my military service was in the 80’s and my police service ended in the 90’s so we had shiny belts or web belts. Today’s fare is much better.
I think u were too honest for most people.
I too was an officer for about the same time frame. 2004 through around 2012... Velcro inner, plus keepers and all the "tacti-cool" high speed stuff. Being a "night shifter" I was able to stay away from the polished leather, heavy/stiff and HEAVY stuff. helped a lot.
The Baer belt is a fantastic offering and the best I have used. I found that being able to direct mount the new Bladetech Tek Mount Minis to the belt makes it easily adjustable and I can QD mag pouches to easily change what I carry and how it is carried very quickly. As always great content and I am looking forward to another great class in December.
Thanks for this video. It's a great longform piece that really went through the pros of different setups. Very useful info.
I enjoyed this discussion. Thanks, gents, and thanks Baer.
Some of the best gear options come from civilian applications.
They are not limited by uniform restrictions or Mil Spec only gear.
My old Basket Weave leather duty belt with the permeant buckle and keepers was not uncomfortable and everything stayed in place. Yes it took a little longer to put on but it was pretty effortless after a few times. Also less stolen patrol cars due to the quick snap key holders that are no longer seen.
Great video, I’m former Army and current LEO; I’m also a firearms instructor for my agency, this is good stuff, well done. There’s some excellent points these guys bring up
Excellent video fellas. I had my first rig with an inner Velcro belt in the mid 90's that allowed you to do away with keepers and it was much more stiff than traditional leather rigs. It was made by Safariland. The only thing that wasn't Safariland on that rig was the mag carriers. I rigged two Blade Tech single mag carriers to work on the duty belt. I also keep a Blad Tech AR mag carrier behind my pistol mags. This way I always had an extra 20 round AR mag on my person. That kit was way ahead of its time. It would still be a relevant today. Nothing totally new under the sun.
Started with the old basket weave 'Sam Browne', back in the early 80s, an actual night stick, a flipp'n Motorola brick for a radio, a full size mag light, a P220 w/mags, irritant, cuffs. Times changed and at the end of my 25yr career I went very minimal on the belt, I was rarely that far away from my unit to worry about having something available...I spent way too much time sprinting through yards and jumping fences to load myself up. The stuff coming out for the latest/newest generation of LE is awesome, wish it had started earlier.
We were rocking wheel guns until the late 80's when the Sheriff finally let us upgrade to 9mm or .45. I got rid of my old 586 and picked up a Sig 226. Welcome to the 20th century.
Great video. Zach is extremely precise about law enforcement. Glad I watched this video. I’m definitely sharing with fellow officers
Excellent video. Thanks for showing multiple uses and methods.
For several years (4-5), I ran my LEO belt buckle at center back, or 6 o’clock position. This allowed me to push more of my tools forward, creating easier access and utilizing the space at front/center where the buckle normally resides. I have since been running the 5.11 buckle for many years and it only is about 1/2 the width of a traditional buckle.
Really liked this episode and I'm looking forward to seeing more of them (just discovered your channel). I find it humorous when the "old" leather duty belt was brought out and the statement was made, "could you see yourself wearing this" with the response being "no way". Time has a way of changing things... back "in the day", that was top of the line, much like what you guys were showcasing in your own setups. There could come a time when some newer young guns look at the current belts and go "what were they thinking?!" As Zach pointed out, in LE there is that line where you have to be presentable and professional without being too tactical. I'm recently retired from a 29+ year career in LE and things have changed! Since the last 14 years of my gear was of the type where I had to blend into the background of the public culture, I was definitely of the low imprint, hard to see variety. Now that my wife and I are on "our hill" in my hometown, we are looking for that set up that allows us to be ready to take care of ourselves, our family, and our neighbors, and this has been a great compare and contrast for this old dog in how to set up a belt for when we are out and about on the property and ready to defend home, hearth and country! Bravo Zulu for a good video! - Cold War Navy vet and retired LEO
Great video guys. I believe that there was actually a lot of crossover early on from LE to the more modern military style belt than military to LE. In LE, the velcro inner belt has been around for over 20 years while the military was still using the nylon webb belts or battle belt was more popular. Once that inner/outer style transitioned from LE to the military for the GWOT thats where the current innovations there then transitioned back to the LE world. It is a constant crossover between LE, Mil and the civilian competition wold that drives innovation.
This video had me redoing my competition (pistol) belt while I was watching it. As a Marine, you're tactical one belt for both rifle and pistol. I'm thinking about going back to that now. Semper Fi.
Thank you guys ❤.
Best video I've seen showing the different belt setups.
great stuff, thanks for sharing your experiences
Great info and love the humor, thanks!
As a 40 year old LEO, I keep just the essentials on my belt, because back and hip pain is a non-starter in my book. Gun, mags, cuffs, TQ, taser, and flashlight. Rifle mag, radio, another TQ, another set of cuffs, and multi tool on my vest. If policy didn’t prohibit it, my taser would be on my vest too. As it stands, it has to live on my belt in cross-draw fashion. But this is a great video.
I'm glad I found this video; it's going to help me out with my secondary tactical belt. My current duty belt (I'm a Correctional Officer in Ohio) is a Tacnex belt that I bought on Amazon for $36 and added other stuff that I needed. However, I still need to get the correct style of radio pouch, a second cuff pouch, and an OC pouch that properly fits the canisters we use at work.
Zach is on point. As a West TN LEO with over 25 yrs in , I've worn everything from the old "Sam Brown" belts to the new stuff. I also have ALL the back and hip problems to show for 30yrs of playing in the streets. Great content as always, Baer Solutions !!!
this was awesome. never thought i would be so excited about belts...
Nice video!!! Informative. Thought provoking. I appreciate you Baer Solutions!
A friend of mine who is still in law enforcement puts his belt buckle snap to his back. He still uses belt keepers, so you cant just undo the buckle and watch it all fall to the ground. What he has done is add shotgun shells where the buckle use to sit or add more mags and TQ. That buckle does take up a lot of valuable real estate on the front.
Everything the officer said is bang on truth. Very good officer. Great video.
Great video stuff has come along way since sam brown belts and the old military belts I have a double layer midway comp belt and a condor
My father carried a .38 special as part of his work uniform. When he got home he would unload it and leave the cylinder open. From the time that I started handing guns, it was ingrained in me to empty the cylinder of a revolver and to leave the cylinder open when I handed it to someone or in the case of a simi auto, remove the magazine, lock the slide back and check the breach to ensure that it is empty before passing the pistol to someone else. My father STRESSED ensuring that not only was the pistol unloaded but it was in a safe condition that could not discharge. Funny thing, when I go to a gun store or a gun show, I ask that they open the action before handing the gun to me to look at. And when I return it, the action is open before I return it.
Very informative and interesting, thank you!
Wow. This was a lot of good information. It also makes perfect sense why our law enforcement is switching to tact vest to hold all of their gear needed for the job. I wish all departments would grow with the times, and let our officers wear body armor and chest rigs to maybe help as well. Give them options so they can better find what works for them, so they can be successful at work. I get some people may say they don't need to look like our military, but when shyt goes bad, you want them capable to handle the threat. They need to stay ready so they ain't gotta get ready. Good information 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
Excellent video. Thanks!
From starting in a bit of airsoft, I was quite quick of mind "keep it simple " when it came to how much and what stuff I want/need on my belt and or rig.
Which really transferred well when going into the real steel and tactical shooting.
And then just like in airsoft coming across people hanging everything they can on their belt or body. Like you really need it all or even use it.
Its just mostly excess weight and bulk.
Use what you need, not what you want.
Always great content. Would rather have 1-2 drops a month with great content, rather posts everyday with mediocre content.
Keep up the great work!!
My agency still wears shiny leather equipment like Zach's old belt. One thing to remember in a ground fight the more on your belt the more you have to defend.
I hit the button, man… I did my part! 😂
Great vid, lots of info. Thanks much.
Very informative, great video.
Zach is 100 percent right about extended magazine's in a vehicle. I work armed security here in Las Vegas as a city contractor. And I found getting in and out of a vehicle very cumbersome. The magazine would catch on the door getting in and out as well as what he was saying about the seat or center console pushing that gun into an uncomfortable place.
So I run a standard capacity magazine in my P320 which is 17 rounds and have the extended magazine's as backup magazine's.
Great video, thanks drew
Would love more videos like this of your personal opinions on gear
Not a cop, just a civil. But I found this helpful for my shtf gear setup. Still sorting out my stuff for these scenarios, but this gives me something to contemplate for when it happens.
I retired more than fifteen years ago, but was a Department Firearms Instructor and a Glock Armorer. We allowed some freedom in the setup of the Officer's Gear, but the Chief Mandated the Safariland SLS Holsters and Leather Basketweave Belt and Gear. I wore MY mag pouches horizontally facing the buckle of the duty belt for a fast draw and lower profile when sitting in the vehicle so the bottom of the body armor didn't hit the mag pouch. Of course, back then, they had the snap closures.
We forbade Anything in the center of the back of the belt to prevent spinal injury if you were driven down flat on your back during defensive engagements or a fall. Nothing behind the four or eight o'Clock positions.
Great information
Great video gentlemen
2nd time I have watched this. Great video. One of the best.
You have to try different belt styles to find your home. I tried the Velcro inner belt and didn’t like the restricted feeling when jumping in and out of a car with foot chases, wresting around with perps and struggling. I tried hard to adopt, I found myself with a good thin leather under belt, would throw a stripped down gun belt with bare minimum equipment when in plain clothes. I used a keeper by the gun holster, a keeper in left front by 2 magazine pouches and 3rd by left rear handcuff case. Peeper spray clipped on left front pocket and asp in rear pants pocket. I worked in a unit where we were arresting 8-12 people in a 4 hour period with 80% foot chases and struggles. You need flexibility when you struggling. But when in uniform, the Velcro under belt was nice for patrol with minimal action.
you won me on Ft Bragg, thank you. I thought I was the only one refusing to call it a different name. Im a subscriber now :)
To any Officers looking for a great belt combo. I've spent a lot of $ on my set up, constantly switching it up and trying different gear. My final setup is a safeline defense outer belt with a wilder tactical urban assault belt pad that i leave velcro'd on the inside. it has comfortable padding and it does not move at all.
This was good. I have been working on my belts.
Baer solutions target is one of our favorites.
Am I the only person who notices how much dudes just nod their head when another guy explaining something to them?😂
Guys nod, women interrupt. It’s just the way we are.
Before I go any further, I want to thank you for still calling it Ft. Bragg. I spent time in the 82nd And I'm from NC. It will ALWAYS be Ft. Bragg to me. You just got yourself a subscriber. Now I'm going to watch the rest of the video.
great channel. keep up the good work
Great video guys 👊🏼. Learned a lot. Working in EU security,its a good explanation about whats important to what and how about the setup that works for those involved. Thank you for making this video 🫶🏼. Stay safe my friends 🫶🏼
My belt is from a brand called bear armz, and its an inner/outer but has 2 options for the inner: a velcro internal that can be put through belt loops, and a padded rubber one for the old school battle belt style. Its my competition/bug out belt (same gun for both, and i do practical 2 gun matches), and i use the "normal" inner belt when its warm, and the friction belt over cold weather gear when its cold.
It all goes back to what works for you. That being said I feel good with my classic basketweave with belt keeps lol
It looks like you have a very good set up. We had tested/approved the velcro with and w/o emergency rope connector for our SERT/SWAT teams.
I tested the velcro double belt system for companies when they were just being developed, gave my reviews then tested the models to be fielded when I was in our special operations division for many years. I tested firearms and ammo in arctic conditions in Alaska back in the late 70s-90s plus a lot of different gear regularly since with the firearms I was with the Troopers and the other gear with a larger 1,200 officer county dept in MD bordering Wash DC so it was always busy during the open air drug market times and all the related crime. The dual belt gave a more custom/comfortable than the outside belt with keepers for sure. I tested ones that clip buckled as well as a kind of fake buckle but it all velcroed down to ones with no buckle at all-all velcro to the ends. The same type stuff with the inside/outside vests. IF you had an outside vest to wear it HAD to be covered by your light jacket When I started we had wheel guns and no vests. 18 total rounds of goodness (6 in the revolver and 6 ea. in two speed loaders we tested when we were still issued drop pouches with 6 rounds in each of the two you had on your belt. The equipment has come a long way. Keep doing it my friends. Stay safe.
If you carried your off duty weapon it added 5 additional rounds
The second you said that shit about brag you got my sub. Lead the way!
Zach is so right about lights. Always have one on body. I technically always have two, one in the pocket to keep stuff off my belt line, and then a smaller one clipped on my lapel. I look a little bit like Robo Cop when I have it turned on, but it lets you be hands free while taking notes. My lapel light still puts out 500 lumens on bright mode so it can be pressed into service if the main light goes down or gets lost.
Never thought of offsetting the buckle before. Good idea. I do armed security.
“Liked” immediately because you said you don’t give a shit if it’s liked or not. Great info.
Excellent video
Great video! I really have no use for a battle belt, I’m not a professional or competition shooter. So my battle belt would only be a Kore belt with a cowboy leather holster for my 1911 plus a leather mag pouch.
Great video, thanks
Geat show guys great equipment to. I joined the Marines back in 1987-1991. My entire family were Marines and Law enforcement. WW2-KOREA AND VIETNAM. Me Philippines, Pannama, South America and Nicaragua. I used Vietnam Era web belts with shoulder straps and harness. 1985 plastic buckle. Rook sack, butt pack, 2 M-14 mag pouches nylon. 2 plastic M-68 plastic canteens. A M-12 soft nylon flap over. With nylon mag holder. My MOS was 0317 forced recon sniper. I carried a Browning bolt action 300 grain win magnum. M-24. Leapold 4.5x55mm lens scope. Night vison scope and a heat thermal scope to. A Barret 50 cal some times. In 1992 came home. Went to college for police science degree. Then 16 week police academy. My dept. Out here in Wisconsin was old fashion. SAFARILAND Sam Brown BELTS with the buckle or 94. Plane black or basket weave. My was Basketbweave. With pouches same leather and plane or Basketbweave. SWAT TEAM was Condor molly duty belt with the cobra buckle. High speed gear taco pouches. End of story. We had. No tasers, no trama kits no tq, no dump bags. So this stuff you young bucks use is awesome.
Our department in southern Cali progression of gear has been super flexible, which I love. Everything is for comfort and functionality. Majority of us run staccato XC’s, 2011 platform pistols, and outer carrier vest’s.
Hey man, I'm pretty sure those carry more than 10 rounds
@@Commonsensepreps it absolutely does.
@@RoninWarrior1776 do as I say not as I do?
@@Commonsensepreps it’s called discretion, I do not have to enforce that specific law if I so choose not to and I have yet to do so.
@RoninWarrior1776 good, ruining a persons life unconstitutionally is pretty bad.
I don't live in Cali, and wouldn't due to laws, but at least it makes me feel a bit better not all the cops are wearing blinders
Great attitude, speaking to those of us that aren’t cops /aren’t ex military, we aren’t “operators” but we *are* good guys and train like its life or death. Because it is.
Amazing video!!
Good points, especially in these seriously uncertain times.
Great vid gents. What you need on your belt is dependant on it's purpose and the task. That's why i have two set ups. Lol
Love it, haven’t even watched yet!
Great video!!!
Blue Alpha duty and slim duty belts are my go-to.
Great video guys, make this a series lol
USCG here, I wear a Safari Land belt every day at work. It's the fake leather/vinyl but with a clip style buckle instead of the traditional heel bar buckle. We wear belt keepers like Zach had showed. We are required these belts due to the buoyancy rating (I believe it's neutral), we are constantly on boats and at a high risk of falling over. 30Lbs of gear will have us on the bottom quickly. It would be nice if we could use a inner/outer due to how quickly they can be put on. Everyone will be hanging out, then we get a call to go out and are gone in 5 minutes, putting those keepers on can be very difficult at times and definitely slow down our response time.
8:00 trex "orion" works great on hoth. Love mine. Gripy bit inside stays put and super comfortable. I have no issues with movement.
25 years with the old school leather belt and keepers. Hips and back are great!!! 😂
Good information.