Only If they'll get to be cheaper than a steam deck. Something like this for 250-300 is ok. Steam deck is still not being sold in most countries around the world, so having this as an option will be good.
Why don't you cover the $480 hp victus on bestbuy right now? Or the $550 gigabyte g5 with a 3050ti? Those are excellent value laptops. The HP is literally the cheapest laptop and the gigabyte g5 is the best value low cost gaming laptop
Something to keep in mind is that LPDDR is only 32bit, while normal DDR is 64bit, so machines with LPDDR only have half the bandwidth of ones with DDR at the same clocks. AMD's chips support dual channel DDR and quad channel LPDDR to compensate, but few laptops go higher than dual.
Yep, this chip can't go wider than 2x32 bit LPDDR, but it's compensated by having fast 5500 GHz ram. It's equivalent to ~2666 DDR4 Dual-channel, which is pretty normal for a low-end chip.
@@ezer0923 memory speed = memory bus width * memory frequency. Memory bus on ddr4 desktops consists of 2 channels, each 64 bit wide. On ddr5 desktops it's 4 channels, each 32 bit wide. And 32x4 = 64x2, so bus width stays the same. But mendocino zen 2 chips (7320U, 7520U) have 2 channels, each 32 bit wide. 2x32 < 2x64 or 4x32. Means it's at half the bus width of desktop chips. I'd describe it as "permanently running with one stick of ram". Don't think it really hinders performance though, as there's just 2 gpu cores, compared to 12 in the bigger brother (6600U, 6800U) with 4x32 bit wide bus
Emulation is where this kind of apu shines. This will boost the low end tremendously, because cheap laptops everyone has will be able to do wii u and yuzu well. For a dedicated gaming handheld though, it'd need to be really well priced (like sub 300). Imagine switch emulation on a switch priced pc.
I couldn't agree more, though I'd say significantly below £300 (since the steam deck 64gb is only £350 as it is) or whatever that equates to in dollars since the steam deck has the same RDNA 2 GPU except with 4x as many CU's. I was a little disappointed with the amount of CU's to be honest, hopefully there are some chips with at least 4 CU's in future or even the full 8 CU's that the steam deck has. A laptop with a GPU that matches the steam deck's priced at around the same price as the 64gb steam deck would be absolutely incredible. Still really impressed overall though, especially for emulation.
@@jaymills1111 steam deck is sold at a loss, like a console would. You can't beat it. Plus, the 64gb model isn't really the full price since you need like 30-50 more for storage. This isn't designed for gaming, so the cu count isn't a problem. Amd already makes (relatively) cheap gaming laptops with 6600us and 6800us, which feature great performance.
@@jaymills1111 You missed 1 more point. AMD only enabled 64bit memory bus width for the Mendocino APU . The Steam Deck will have twice the memory bandwidth . This chip looks like a heavily cut down APU repurposed from the Steam Deck parts bin.
@@jaymills1111 seems unlikely that they will. Die Steam Deck hast a custom Chip, designed after the Wish of valve. This uses the same GPU they Pack in the IO die from the ryzen 7000desktop CPUs. So they mass Producer IT, If they use onother Chip IT will increases cost to much, so they don t make the margins they want in the Low End. But to bei honest the Hardware ist suefficient enough for 90% of office Users and Zen 2 might Not bei the fastest CPU architecture anymore, but IT IS still very capable and efficent.
I love the fact that you test both PC and emulation games, especially the racing games since frames come on screen very quickly in those types of games! Really helps us understand before we buy, especially those on a budget 👍
I am so looking forward to the APUs with a stronger graphics focus. At 25W this chip would slay in a Surface Go or similar. I wonder what a 4 Zen4 + 8 RDNA 3 APU look like when tuned to 15W. Actually typing this on my SD.
@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472 Should be what AMD Phoenix is going to be. Now the real money maker is desktop APUs that won't be constrained by thermal limits unlike a laptop.
this laptop probably wont be that great, but the upcoming handhelds will probably be more correctly specced to take advantage of them. possibly when the 7000 series APUs actually release, and its not just running on the base 2 CUs thats on the normal laptop chip. Would love to see how well it runs on SteamOS though, which is likely a natural fit for something like this, since all the games want to run at 720-800 resolution
From memory, it seems very similar to athlon 3000's vega 3. That was also 50fps on GTA 5 at 720p. You could've overclocked the Vega 3 though, which lets you run the game at 900p at 60fps.
@ETA PRIME You should add TH-cam playback to your tests, in particular 4K60fps and 8K30fps and report the frame rate. You may want to test it with an external 4K display.
Ohhhh yeahh... i've been waiting for this since they announced Mendocino and was looking out for videos when I saw this particular model pop up on sale a couple of days ago.
the real crazy thing about this is that it is running on 10-21 watts! that's less than 10% of modern gpu's power consumption and you have cpu and other stuff running in PC too. great efficiency from AMD
what a time to be alive for us emulation gamers this and those handhelds for under 300 we can have the ultimate handeld even playing some of those older steam games. i give it 2-3 years until we are doing full on handeld PS3 that would be amazing
any linux os is a meme. Just do a fresh windows 10 install and de-bloat it. Same overhead as Mint or Ubuntu. Without the driver problems and compatibility isues
@@ivancajka732 I always heard linux had light distros for old and weak hardware. Then I tried it. It ran way worse than Windows 10. On Windows, just use Dism++ to turn off services you don't need and uninstall system apps like Cortana.
@@kmieciu4ever opposite for me. my 2012 laptop is dying like a thirsty, dehydrated horse with Windows but when I put LinuxLite 4.8 on it, works without problems and allows me to work with zero distraction.
@@ivancajka732I got GTA V more frames on Linux while leaving lots of wasted/unused RAM, but I usually get it on FSR with same performance as Windows while upscaling it to my 1080p monitor.
I really dislike their new naming scheme for these chips. Why is the CPU architecture (which is the biggest factor in determining single core performance besides TDP) the 3rd digit? On the other hand, it is nice that each digit tells us something useful, unlike every other freaking mobile naming scheme. And I'm not sure how else they'd carry Zen2 cores forward (since you're probably gonna be GPU bottlenecked, so why spend more for Zen3) However I do really like them pairing Zen 2 with this new iGPU for a gaming targeted configuration. Since Zen 2 quad cores are already quite capable of daily tasks, so being able to save on the CPU in exchange for the iGPU is a great trade vs before. And it is nice that they have a digit dedicated to the architecture instead of what they did with the original 5000 series that weirdly isn't on their site anymore (5500U is Zen2, 5600U is Zen3) It's just a bit weird that the R5 7520U is a 4C8T Zen2 chip with 2 GPU cores while the R5 5625U is a 6C12T Zen3 chip with 7 GPU cores. Even if the former is better in gaming on the iGPU side (I think, 2 RDNA2 might be weaker than 7 VEGA) but weaker in gaming when paired with a dGPU. Although in my experience they don't pair U chips with dGPU so I guess that's not a huge issue. Going forward this will theoretically be simpler, but the problem is AMD's supply issues have meant that we have brand new laptops being sold with 5000 and 6000 series chips.
Because OEMs want to be able to sell unused, old and cheap chips as if they were the newest thing. AMD has acknowledged that their relationship with OEMs for both CPUs and GPUs has been poor, and this is one of the ways they are trying to make amends. Don't get me wrong, I really do not like the new mobile naming scheme, but I'm just explaining why it is this way. Just remember to check the 3rd and 4th digits and you'll be good
@@kirby0louise I got you, I guess I'm coming around on it a little since in gaming you're always going to be GPU bound in a laptop, so it makes sense to save money and use Zen2 cores but with a better iGPU. And in that case if you're selling as a new product you can't really put it in the 4000/5000/6000 series. And you can't use a G suffix since everything is going to have RDNA2. I guess what I would do is if you're going to have Ryzen 3/5/7/9 as part of the name, the second digit is redundant. So maybe make that the architecture and then use the third one for maybe the number of GPU cores? Except the 680M has 12 so that doesn't work either. Ugh. Or maybe not since desktop parts do this too, maybe it's a good scheme for the intended market, even if it makes zero sense relative to their desktop chips.
The new naming scheme is to put "features" above architecture. Because architecture alone isn't what defines performance on laptops(power and heat limited). The new zen2(ryzen 3 7320u) uses lpddr5 on 6nm, the old zen 2(ryzen 3 5300u) uses lpddr4 on 7nm. The new zen2 CPU can boost 300mhz because of the new node, plus it has the added benefit of rdna2 igpu instead of vega. Both on a default 15W tdp. And iirc, mobile APUs have been monolithic, so they didn't just slap unused chips into laptops, it was designed that way. So prioritizing production year(available features) over architecture is fine, since AMD has so many configurations, you need to actually look up the specs to know what you're getting.
@@MahaXad I guess you're right, are all 7000 chips going to use 6nm, even the Zen2 ones? It would make sense for there to be 6nm Zen2 cores since the PS5 has them now.
I'm curious about whether FSR and the like would work with this and, if yes, what sort of difference that would make. It might just make some of those PC games more playable.
This looks great! Looking forward to see this in SBCs, SFF PCs and handhelds. This will finally put a price limit on those overpriced arm based systems. At least cpu wise zen 2 will beat with a fair margin anything arm based (except Apple...) and running windows with a gaming front end will be super versatile
Looking forward to some higher-end 7000-series APUs next year. 4 to 6 CUs and Zen3 or 4 and AMD may have a great solution for casual gamers who don't want the heat and expense of a discrete GPU. This one just seems a tiny bit underpowered, although it's close (still maybe a steal on some Black Friday specials I saw...) (Irrelevant, but... I'm not very happy with my i5-1135G7 Dell laptop, but mostly because my Intel Xe iGPU seems to have self-destructed; it started having major problems in most applications that had GPU accelration on, eg. MS Edge/Chrome/Chromium/Electron apps, in November (maybe a firmware update corrupted it?); screen flashes corrupted text or goes all black and often requires a power cycle and BIOS reset to get back and try again. Only MS Basic Display Adapter works reliably since corruption. Until the problems, the performance was probably better than most AMD iGPUs, to-date, 'tho RDNA3 may change that.)
I have last year's modle of this laptop and it's a great laptop for browsing and doing schoolwork. I got it on sale for $250 and I can't complain. I've never gamed on it as I usually have my Steam Deck in my bag. But these entry level laptops are very surprising compared to entry level laptops from 10 years ago.
Halo MCC would be phenomenal to see tested! I had a laptop running a Ryzen 4500u with 8GB of ram, unfortunately its no longer with us but it ran MCC phenomenally! I would be stoked for the price of it does
I’m not that impressed with the performance by itself, but if this chip lands in designs instead of Celeron/Pentium Silver chips that’s going to interesting. But I wouldn’t pay much more than $200 for a device like this. More than that and used Renoir laptops start to make more sense IMO.
This chip is amazing! I have a R5 5500U, in Forza Horizon 4, it just does 720p/30 fps at 22-25 W. To get almost twice the performance at 0.75 times the powerdraw is a dream come true! And this chip is the beginning, I can`t wait to see how higher tiers are going to perform!
I recommend fall back to OpenGL on APU when vulkan fail in game that have Vram slowdown as AMD boost GL performance via missive gain with driver version 22.7.1 and newer with PCSX2.
So this is an old video now, and I note you've also got an old i3 1215U video. Now AyaNeo and AYN are hopefully going to deliver their budget priced Mendocino and 1215U this year (finally), would be nice to see a side by side with your 2 laptops for those people who can't justify a Steam Deck or an Asus ROG Ally. In my view there is a massive market for lower end x86 handhelds.
man, im really impressed by this chipset. i think getting the loki mini pro amd version is the way to go in this. imo for 300$ it feels like its going to blow SOOO many other handhelds out the water. granted if you want lower end emulation under ps2 that can be done by almost anything as of late but ps2 and higher has been a bench mark to hit for a long time. being able to even do ps3 on this in insane... hell i just wanna play rpg's so im happy to see this
Sad how this isn't super fast compared to the i3 1215u. The i3 seems a lot more powerful you can play 1080p games medium/low but with this you are mainly limited to knocking it down to low 720p on stuff like esports games.
Yeah, it only kind of makes senses if your budget is super low and even then as ETA said, this should have had 3 CUs, or better yet, could have made a Mendocino die that was half the steam decks APU, as 6600U has 6 CU being a die half of the 6800U, it could have had 4CUs and double performance.
@@hariskhan01 problem is they are selling them both at the same price. At that point it's just a bit sad, these Mendocino chips just aren't good compared to the i3 1215u. Or other laptops at the 300-400 dollar price range. Even if you have a low budget it's not really a good deal.
@@hariskhan01 The entire purpose of Mendecino is Chromebook class laptops, there's even multiple Mendocino chromebooks set to be released soon, this is specifically NOT meant for gaming. AMD would have given it 1 CU if they could, but the RDNA arch has a minimum spec of 2CUs per WGP,.
I really hope well get more apus in the future. What i personaly hope for is some kind of pure gaming procesdor. 4 cores with vcache and an iGpu with matching performance.
Something has to be wrong here. Three years ago I got the same performance with Witcher 3 on my Ryzen 5 3500u laptop. Even slightly better, since I had some settings at medium and mostly stable 30fps with only a few dips below.
Funny how this low powered APU has better Geekbench 5 single-core score from my i7-5960X of my system. Mine gets a bit more than ~900. As for gaming, I am also impressed for what we are getting here from under 30W. I have a dual core 4 threads atom with only slightly less power consumption, from 2015-6 and it's not even close. I wonder what it can handle in video editing. Thanks for the video.
Kinda wish gaming power consumption was lower for a new but weak machine. I wonder if it would help if you manually limited the cpu to 2.4ghz? Not like it needs the extra freq with that gpu
Can you tell me how this compares to the Ryzen 5 5500u @22w? I believe you benchmarked (I believe a laptop) with it in the past. I know it's not exactly fair (4 core vs 6) but I'm more Interested in the uplift from the rdna2 gpu, if any over the Vega.
I've been looking forward to Mendocino laptops coming out for months now, and I have to say from this video, the GPU seems far more impressive than I thought it would. I'm amazed that it's running GTA at 60 FPS, no matter the settings. I'm really curious though if you were running these benchmarks on battery or on AC power, and how much it drops when running on battery? I know it's going to be more dependent on the laptop than on the chip, but still very curious.
3:28 Dont forget that with DDR5 and LPDDR5 "dual channel" is equivalent to single channel in DDR4 because instead of a 64+8 bit wide bus like in DDR4, each 'dimm' (pool) is 2x32+8 bit so each stingle stick of DDR5 is dual channel, and with 2 sticks it is quad channel. (The +8 in both cases is for ECC)
don't know what people are expecting, this is a budget CPU, meant for cheap laptops. the fact you can play Forza horizon 5 at over 30fps and PS3 games is impressive af.
You call that amazing? I call it a joke, AMD could have made a decent APU if the iGPU had 4CU minimum. In this same price range you buy a Ryzen 5 5500u/5600u(Six-core CPU and 7CU iGPU) that has much more performance in every way.
Steam Deck is a dedicated gaming machine with worse CPU performance, whereas the Mendocino chips are made to go into all the cheap average Joe laptops that would run very fast in office apps and whatnot. Does a regular salaryman need a fast iGPU to play games? Exactly. And it's only natural for them to be priced at near Ryzen 5 5500U laptops because those are new laptops. The laptops with competitive prices haven't even hit the market.
Chulada!! Lo único que no me gusta son las flechas de dirección, me hubiera gustado que el diseño estuviera más adecuado para el gaming, la laptop tiene para dar mucha diversión.
Compared with i3 1215u, which one is better on emulation?
2 ปีที่แล้ว +1
Mendocino APU has same iGPU as found in Ryzen 7000 Zen4 Desktop CPU-s.That should be mentioned, and not skipped over as an incidental piece of information.🤔
It is similar, but not exactly the same. This one is named 610m, and features 2CUs at 1.9GHz with 64-bit RAM. The one integrated in desktop 7000-series chips is 2CUs again, but working at 2.2GHz, and has RAM at 128-bits. So, if it had a name, it should be named something higher, like '620m' maybe.
I really wish laptop companies were willing to put these decently powerful APUs in 11 and 12 inch laptops. I don't know why, but there are just no laptops in that size range with anything more powerful than a Pentium. I prefer a small laptop now because honestly it is too much to ask to travel with a steam deck, AND a 15 inch laptop.
Base on this video, What I notice that score 3D Mark especially Fire Strike much lower then it previous Ryzen 3 5300U. 2CU RDNA2 simply too small to compete with 6CU VEGA in 5300U
I m so hyped for the more powerful apus when I see that kind of results with only 2 cu I m wondering what will be the capabilities of the Phoenix one 🤞
Sounds like the i3 1215 is a much better budget APU. Or are products with that chip significantly more expensive despite it being Intel's lowest end chip?
So I think preordering a Loki mini Pro i3-1215U instead of the AMD mendocino model is the correct decision. I knew the performance of 2CUs is severely crippled even with RDNA2.
Wasn't the original Aspire a Netbook? You will see better deals on Black Friday if you want a laptop. Plus at $399 you can get a Steam Deck with a lot better performance.
I really want to see a ryzen 7000 rdna3 apu in a laptop with 2 fans and adequate heatpipes. Manufacturers these days are trying to stuff powerful cpus and gpus into thin and light hardware without adequate cooling which really limits performance
I picked up the Acer Aspire 5 A515-45-R74Z (Ryzen 5 5500U) for a family member with health issues, sadly they are not using as intended, so if I get it back I might play around with some low end emulation. Edit: I also added a second stick of memory when I ordered it, so I wonder how that would improve things as well.
totally depends on price, but this seems like a 720p emulation device when it comes to handhelds. which puts it roughly in line with the AYN Odin. I cant see spending more than 300 tops on a handheld with this chip myself and thatd be pushing it.
Overall is something you’d want to see in inexpensive handhelds?
Only If they'll get to be cheaper than a steam deck. Something like this for 250-300 is ok. Steam deck is still not being sold in most countries around the world, so having this as an option will be good.
@@daviduba5060 no these will be in $269+ handhelds
Why don't you cover the $480 hp victus on bestbuy right now? Or the $550 gigabyte g5 with a 3050ti? Those are excellent value laptops. The HP is literally the cheapest laptop and the gigabyte g5 is the best value low cost gaming laptop
Absolutely ! Ps3 emulation ftw !
i3 1215U
When I was in high school and they started making us use Chromebooks, this was the chip I wish I had. 600M series shreds emulation
Chromebook won't support amd driver's as strong as this 🗿
@@Prodbytocile oh
Something to keep in mind is that LPDDR is only 32bit, while normal DDR is 64bit, so machines with LPDDR only have half the bandwidth of ones with DDR at the same clocks. AMD's chips support dual channel DDR and quad channel LPDDR to compensate, but few laptops go higher than dual.
Yep, this chip can't go wider than 2x32 bit LPDDR, but it's compensated by having fast 5500 GHz ram. It's equivalent to ~2666 DDR4 Dual-channel, which is pretty normal for a low-end chip.
It's quad working as dual-channel...
@@danielalpha8803 no, mendocino chips don't have that, they are at max 2x32 bit wide
Is 32 bit half of 64 bit? I'm confused
@@ezer0923 memory speed = memory bus width * memory frequency.
Memory bus on ddr4 desktops consists of 2 channels, each 64 bit wide. On ddr5 desktops it's 4 channels, each 32 bit wide. And 32x4 = 64x2, so bus width stays the same.
But mendocino zen 2 chips (7320U, 7520U) have 2 channels, each 32 bit wide. 2x32 < 2x64 or 4x32. Means it's at half the bus width of desktop chips.
I'd describe it as "permanently running with one stick of ram". Don't think it really hinders performance though, as there's just 2 gpu cores, compared to 12 in the bigger brother (6600U, 6800U) with 4x32 bit wide bus
Emulation is where this kind of apu shines. This will boost the low end tremendously, because cheap laptops everyone has will be able to do wii u and yuzu well. For a dedicated gaming handheld though, it'd need to be really well priced (like sub 300). Imagine switch emulation on a switch priced pc.
I couldn't agree more, though I'd say significantly below £300 (since the steam deck 64gb is only £350 as it is) or whatever that equates to in dollars since the steam deck has the same RDNA 2 GPU except with 4x as many CU's.
I was a little disappointed with the amount of CU's to be honest, hopefully there are some chips with at least 4 CU's in future or even the full 8 CU's that the steam deck has.
A laptop with a GPU that matches the steam deck's priced at around the same price as the 64gb steam deck would be absolutely incredible.
Still really impressed overall though, especially for emulation.
@@jaymills1111 steam deck is sold at a loss, like a console would. You can't beat it. Plus, the 64gb model isn't really the full price since you need like 30-50 more for storage. This isn't designed for gaming, so the cu count isn't a problem. Amd already makes (relatively) cheap gaming laptops with 6600us and 6800us, which feature great performance.
@@jaymills1111 You missed 1 more point. AMD only enabled 64bit memory bus width for the Mendocino APU . The Steam Deck will have twice the memory bandwidth . This chip looks like a heavily cut down APU repurposed from the Steam Deck parts bin.
I'd pay $300 for a really compact handheld with at least a 7" screen with almost no bezels, and could play up to switch and PS2.
@@jaymills1111 seems unlikely that they will. Die Steam Deck hast a custom Chip, designed after the Wish of valve.
This uses the same GPU they Pack in the IO die from the ryzen 7000desktop CPUs. So they mass Producer IT, If they use onother Chip IT will increases cost to much, so they don t make the margins they want in the Low End.
But to bei honest the Hardware ist suefficient enough for 90% of office Users and Zen 2 might Not bei the fastest CPU architecture anymore, but IT IS still very capable and efficent.
I love the fact that you test both PC and emulation games, especially the racing games since frames come on screen very quickly in those types of games!
Really helps us understand before we buy, especially those on a budget 👍
At 2 RDNA2 CUs it actually performs surprisingly good. Remember that Steam Deck's APU has 8 CUs and Ryzen 6800U has 12 CUs.
I am so looking forward to the APUs with a stronger graphics focus. At 25W this chip would slay in a Surface Go or similar. I wonder what a 4 Zen4 + 8 RDNA 3 APU look like when tuned to 15W. Actually typing this on my SD.
@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472 Should be what AMD Phoenix is going to be.
Now the real money maker is desktop APUs that won't be constrained by thermal limits unlike a laptop.
this laptop probably wont be that great, but the upcoming handhelds will probably be more correctly specced to take advantage of them. possibly when the 7000 series APUs actually release, and its not just running on the base 2 CUs thats on the normal laptop chip. Would love to see how well it runs on SteamOS though, which is likely a natural fit for something like this, since all the games want to run at 720-800 resolution
The performance your getting for *2 CUs* is AMAZING!
Like to see this compared to some low end Vega iGPUs.
From memory, it seems very similar to athlon 3000's vega 3. That was also 50fps on GTA 5 at 720p. You could've overclocked the Vega 3 though, which lets you run the game at 900p at 60fps.
@ETA PRIME You should add TH-cam playback to your tests, in particular 4K60fps and 8K30fps and report the frame rate. You may want to test it with an external 4K display.
How did I miss this earlier? Holy cow.
Incredible chip.
Thx Prime 👍
The power!?
Finally APUs can run most of my gaming favorites. Can't wait for the higher end models.
Ohhhh yeahh... i've been waiting for this since they announced Mendocino and was looking out for videos when I saw this particular model pop up on sale a couple of days ago.
i watched ultill the non-user upgradable part, mini pc's are going to take over this market
the real crazy thing about this is that it is running on 10-21 watts! that's less than 10% of modern gpu's power consumption and you have cpu and other stuff running in PC too. great efficiency from AMD
what a time to be alive for us emulation gamers this and those handhelds for under 300 we can have the ultimate handeld even playing some of those older steam games. i give it 2-3 years until we are doing full on handeld PS3 that would be amazing
Surpricing performance, great video as always!
I'd like to see this setup in a mini desktop with 16gbs...would be a good little emulation powerhouse.
Very exciting! Would be great to see if 16gb version can improve things as well as run more. SteamOS interesting as maybe less overhead than windows?
any linux os is a meme.
Just do a fresh windows 10 install and de-bloat it.
Same overhead as Mint or Ubuntu.
Without the driver problems and compatibility isues
@@ivancajka732 amd was born to be used on Linux
@@ivancajka732 I always heard linux had light distros for old and weak hardware. Then I tried it. It ran way worse than Windows 10. On Windows, just use Dism++ to turn off services you don't need and uninstall system apps like Cortana.
@@kmieciu4ever opposite for me. my 2012 laptop is dying like a thirsty, dehydrated horse with Windows but when I put LinuxLite 4.8 on it, works without problems and allows me to work with zero distraction.
@@ivancajka732I got GTA V more frames on Linux while leaving lots of wasted/unused RAM, but I usually get it on FSR with same performance as Windows while upscaling it to my 1080p monitor.
I really dislike their new naming scheme for these chips. Why is the CPU architecture (which is the biggest factor in determining single core performance besides TDP) the 3rd digit?
On the other hand, it is nice that each digit tells us something useful, unlike every other freaking mobile naming scheme. And I'm not sure how else they'd carry Zen2 cores forward (since you're probably gonna be GPU bottlenecked, so why spend more for Zen3)
However I do really like them pairing Zen 2 with this new iGPU for a gaming targeted configuration. Since Zen 2 quad cores are already quite capable of daily tasks, so being able to save on the CPU in exchange for the iGPU is a great trade vs before. And it is nice that they have a digit dedicated to the architecture instead of what they did with the original 5000 series that weirdly isn't on their site anymore (5500U is Zen2, 5600U is Zen3)
It's just a bit weird that the R5 7520U is a 4C8T Zen2 chip with 2 GPU cores while the R5 5625U is a 6C12T Zen3 chip with 7 GPU cores. Even if the former is better in gaming on the iGPU side (I think, 2 RDNA2 might be weaker than 7 VEGA) but weaker in gaming when paired with a dGPU. Although in my experience they don't pair U chips with dGPU so I guess that's not a huge issue.
Going forward this will theoretically be simpler, but the problem is AMD's supply issues have meant that we have brand new laptops being sold with 5000 and 6000 series chips.
Because OEMs want to be able to sell unused, old and cheap chips as if they were the newest thing. AMD has acknowledged that their relationship with OEMs for both CPUs and GPUs has been poor, and this is one of the ways they are trying to make amends.
Don't get me wrong, I really do not like the new mobile naming scheme, but I'm just explaining why it is this way. Just remember to check the 3rd and 4th digits and you'll be good
@@kirby0louise I got you, I guess I'm coming around on it a little since in gaming you're always going to be GPU bound in a laptop, so it makes sense to save money and use Zen2 cores but with a better iGPU. And in that case if you're selling as a new product you can't really put it in the 4000/5000/6000 series. And you can't use a G suffix since everything is going to have RDNA2.
I guess what I would do is if you're going to have Ryzen 3/5/7/9 as part of the name, the second digit is redundant. So maybe make that the architecture and then use the third one for maybe the number of GPU cores? Except the 680M has 12 so that doesn't work either. Ugh.
Or maybe not since desktop parts do this too, maybe it's a good scheme for the intended market, even if it makes zero sense relative to their desktop chips.
@@shanez1215 maybe
The new naming scheme is to put "features" above architecture. Because architecture alone isn't what defines performance on laptops(power and heat limited).
The new zen2(ryzen 3 7320u) uses lpddr5 on 6nm, the old zen 2(ryzen 3 5300u) uses lpddr4 on 7nm. The new zen2 CPU can boost 300mhz because of the new node, plus it has the added benefit of rdna2 igpu instead of vega. Both on a default 15W tdp. And iirc, mobile APUs have been monolithic, so they didn't just slap unused chips into laptops, it was designed that way.
So prioritizing production year(available features) over architecture is fine, since AMD has so many configurations, you need to actually look up the specs to know what you're getting.
@@MahaXad I guess you're right, are all 7000 chips going to use 6nm, even the Zen2 ones? It would make sense for there to be 6nm Zen2 cores since the PS5 has them now.
I'm curious about whether FSR and the like would work with this and, if yes, what sort of difference that would make. It might just make some of those PC games more playable.
This looks great! Looking forward to see this in SBCs, SFF PCs and handhelds. This will finally put a price limit on those overpriced arm based systems. At least cpu wise zen 2 will beat with a fair margin anything arm based (except Apple...) and running windows with a gaming front end will be super versatile
Looking forward to some higher-end 7000-series APUs next year. 4 to 6 CUs and Zen3 or 4 and AMD may have a great solution for casual gamers who don't want the heat and expense of a discrete GPU. This one just seems a tiny bit underpowered, although it's close (still maybe a steal on some Black Friday specials I saw...)
(Irrelevant, but... I'm not very happy with my i5-1135G7 Dell laptop, but mostly because my Intel Xe iGPU seems to have self-destructed; it started having major problems in most applications that had GPU accelration on, eg. MS Edge/Chrome/Chromium/Electron apps, in November (maybe a firmware update corrupted it?); screen flashes corrupted text or goes all black and often requires a power cycle and BIOS reset to get back and try again. Only MS Basic Display Adapter works reliably since corruption. Until the problems, the performance was probably better than most AMD iGPUs, to-date, 'tho RDNA3 may change that.)
I have last year's modle of this laptop and it's a great laptop for browsing and doing schoolwork. I got it on sale for $250 and I can't complain. I've never gamed on it as I usually have my Steam Deck in my bag. But these entry level laptops are very surprising compared to entry level laptops from 10 years ago.
really happy to see that thing can run every emulators without framedrops issue.. nice
Really wish some manufacturer cloud bring this apu up to budget handhelds
Rather than modern AAA I'd try stuff from 2012-2015 and see how far I can push it tbh, probably maxed out
Thank you for taking your time to give us these videos. I see it is your passion, but thank you anyway.
Halo MCC would be phenomenal to see tested! I had a laptop running a Ryzen 4500u with 8GB of ram, unfortunately its no longer with us but it ran MCC phenomenally! I would be stoked for the price of it does
Office Depot has a 5300u laptop for $250!
Love to see this compared to Mendocino!
I’m not that impressed with the performance by itself, but if this chip lands in designs instead of Celeron/Pentium Silver chips that’s going to interesting. But I wouldn’t pay much more than $200 for a device like this. More than that and used Renoir laptops start to make more sense IMO.
This chip is amazing! I have a R5 5500U, in Forza Horizon 4, it just does 720p/30 fps at 22-25 W. To get almost twice the performance at 0.75 times the powerdraw is a dream come true! And this chip is the beginning, I can`t wait to see how higher tiers are going to perform!
Do you have dual channel memory? I also have 5500u and it can get much more fps at 25w.
@@glutworkout9774 probably single channel, most laptops just come with 8gb ram and most people can't be asked upgrading the ram.
Probably different settings
Have you tried using FSR set to Balanced?
I see 5500Us with 16G of ram regularly average 30fps at 1080p low so there's clearly a big bottleneck in your laptop
Looks good. 1080p's still a gold standard in the Laptop space, at least. And I really should start getting in on this PS2/3 Emulation.
this chip is truly a unicorn and if it was in a desktop build with a gpu it would probably destroy my 1700x at gaming
Looking forward t seeing more on RDNA2 APUs chip.
I recommend fall back to OpenGL on APU when vulkan fail in game that have Vram slowdown as AMD boost GL performance via missive gain with driver version 22.7.1 and newer with PCSX2.
So this is an old video now, and I note you've also got an old i3 1215U video. Now AyaNeo and AYN are hopefully going to deliver their budget priced Mendocino and 1215U this year (finally), would be nice to see a side by side with your 2 laptops for those people who can't justify a Steam Deck or an Asus ROG Ally. In my view there is a massive market for lower end x86 handhelds.
Looks, great. Looking forward to seeing this in a mini pc. I'd definitely like to see how this handles batocera and steam
ps3 and switch emulation at 20watt is amazing
man, im really impressed by this chipset. i think getting the loki mini pro amd version is the way to go in this. imo for 300$ it feels like its going to blow SOOO many other handhelds out the water. granted if you want lower end emulation under ps2 that can be done by almost anything as of late but ps2 and higher has been a bench mark to hit for a long time. being able to even do ps3 on this in insane... hell i just wanna play rpg's so im happy to see this
Bro really has a lot of arrows in Skyrim 😂
Sad how this isn't super fast compared to the i3 1215u.
The i3 seems a lot more powerful you can play 1080p games medium/low but with this you are mainly limited to knocking it down to low 720p on stuff like esports games.
Yeah, it only kind of makes senses if your budget is super low and even then as ETA said, this should have had 3 CUs, or better yet, could have made a Mendocino die that was half the steam decks APU, as 6600U has 6 CU being a die half of the 6800U, it could have had 4CUs and double performance.
@@hariskhan01 problem is they are selling them both at the same price.
At that point it's just a bit sad, these Mendocino chips just aren't good compared to the i3 1215u. Or other laptops at the 300-400 dollar price range. Even if you have a low budget it's not really a good deal.
@@oo--7714 That's quite surprising if Mendocino can neither be cheaper nor better, why bother making laptops with it in the first place
@@hariskhan01 The entire purpose of Mendecino is Chromebook class laptops, there's even multiple Mendocino chromebooks set to be released soon, this is specifically NOT meant for gaming. AMD would have given it 1 CU if they could, but the RDNA arch has a minimum spec of 2CUs per WGP,.
@@mitlanderson ah ok
I really hope well get more apus in the future. What i personaly hope for is some kind of pure gaming procesdor. 4 cores with vcache and an iGpu with matching performance.
I remember his old videos his one of the greats
10:36 did you used 1080p graphic pack or stock resolution (720p)?
I'm really looking forward to the Ayn Loki with Mendocino! You plan on covering that one?
I would love to see more switch emulation on this chip
I gotta stop watching your videos. Newly found you on here and I've bought so much new tech in the past week haha. Thanks!!
Something has to be wrong here. Three years ago I got the same performance with Witcher 3 on my Ryzen 5 3500u laptop. Even slightly better, since I had some settings at medium and mostly stable 30fps with only a few dips below.
This has literally only 2CUs, AMD themselves said this is a chromebook class processor. Your 3500u has 4 TIMES the number of Compute Units.
I have the same laptop at the moment.
Funny how this low powered APU has better Geekbench 5 single-core score from my i7-5960X of my system. Mine gets a bit more than ~900.
As for gaming, I am also impressed for what we are getting here from under 30W. I have a dual core 4 threads atom with only slightly less power consumption, from 2015-6 and it's not even close.
I wonder what it can handle in video editing.
Thanks for the video.
You should really show some performance charts. Makes it much easier to compare devices.
Kinda wish gaming power consumption was lower for a new but weak machine. I wonder if it would help if you manually limited the cpu to 2.4ghz? Not like it needs the extra freq with that gpu
Limiting the fps will probably do the trick
Really hoping the handhelds go for 16GB RAM since it really is the sweet spot for performance across the board.
I might be picking up my new laptop from this computer
Cant wait to get this chip for $300 on the aya neo air, thats what they planned to release it as anyway
Although it's 7000 series, it's using Zen 2 Ryzen 3 core only. But nice that you already got it.
Great APU for inexpensive laptops. If i found a 1080p 14" with this chip for $300-350, heckin good buy
7520U vs 5500u
which better and how far the difference?
5500U is better at gaming. 7520U is better at battery.
thanks much, as you say, would love to see 16gb ram or more :)
This looks to be a great chip for 720p handhelds if they can be under $300 USD.
Aya neo has the plus coming out in December
Can you tell me how this compares to the Ryzen 5 5500u @22w?
I believe you benchmarked (I believe a laptop) with it in the past.
I know it's not exactly fair (4 core vs 6) but I'm more Interested in the uplift from the rdna2 gpu, if any over the Vega.
This has just 2 rdna2 cores, roughly equivalent to 4 vega cores, so 5500U with 7 vega cores will be ahead.
It's slower than the Ryzen 3 5300U when comparing benchmarks
It's slower than the 3500u
Great video, ETA!
Excelente!!! @ETAPRIME quisiera saber si es posible emular WII U con este apu, muchas gracias !!!
It'd be awesome if we can have a 2WGP 4CU version for a higher SKU, it'd be about 1Tflop, a perfect sweetspot for a lot of games that I played
AMD 7540, btw. 6 core too. Similar to AMD Z1 for handhelds
Great little APU! Can you test it with Alan Wake 2? I'm veeeery curious about it!
I've been looking forward to Mendocino laptops coming out for months now, and I have to say from this video, the GPU seems far more impressive than I thought it would. I'm amazed that it's running GTA at 60 FPS, no matter the settings.
I'm really curious though if you were running these benchmarks on battery or on AC power, and how much it drops when running on battery? I know it's going to be more dependent on the laptop than on the chip, but still very curious.
3:28 Dont forget that with DDR5 and LPDDR5 "dual channel" is equivalent to single channel in DDR4 because instead of a 64+8 bit wide bus like in DDR4, each 'dimm' (pool) is 2x32+8 bit so each stingle stick of DDR5 is dual channel, and with 2 sticks it is quad channel.
(The +8 in both cases is for ECC)
don't know what people are expecting, this is a budget CPU, meant for cheap laptops. the fact you can play Forza horizon 5 at over 30fps and PS3 games is impressive af.
Fire video🔥💯 but Is the ram user upgradeable? The laptop seems cool tho with ok performance💯.
You call that amazing? I call it a joke, AMD could have made a decent APU if the iGPU had 4CU minimum. In this same price range you buy a Ryzen 5 5500u/5600u(Six-core CPU and 7CU iGPU) that has much more performance in every way.
Steam Deck is a dedicated gaming machine with worse CPU performance, whereas the Mendocino chips are made to go into all the cheap average Joe laptops that would run very fast in office apps and whatnot. Does a regular salaryman need a fast iGPU to play games? Exactly. And it's only natural for them to be priced at near Ryzen 5 5500U laptops because those are new laptops. The laptops with competitive prices haven't even hit the market.
Chulada!! Lo único que no me gusta son las flechas de dirección, me hubiera gustado que el diseño estuviera más adecuado para el gaming, la laptop tiene para dar mucha diversión.
If you want smooth emulation with no dll missing from windows, error etc, then M1 Max 14 or 16 is for you.
Compared with i3 1215u, which one is better on emulation?
Mendocino APU has same iGPU as found in Ryzen 7000 Zen4 Desktop CPU-s.That should be mentioned, and not skipped over as an incidental piece of information.🤔
It is similar, but not exactly the same. This one is named 610m, and features 2CUs at 1.9GHz with 64-bit RAM. The one integrated in desktop 7000-series chips is 2CUs again, but working at 2.2GHz, and has RAM at 128-bits. So, if it had a name, it should be named something higher, like '620m' maybe.
Am looking to buy either the 7520U or 7530U at the moment. Would you say Zen3 architecture is worth more than Zen2?
I really would love to see citra, especially the pokemon games.
I really wish laptop companies were willing to put these decently powerful APUs in 11 and 12 inch laptops. I don't know why, but there are just no laptops in that size range with anything more powerful than a Pentium. I prefer a small laptop now because honestly it is too much to ask to travel with a steam deck, AND a 15 inch laptop.
would love this processor on a Chuwi larkbox cube form factor
Man, just the amount of daedric arrows this guy got…
Do you reckon the ayaneo air plus 7320u would perform similar to this laptop? Or significantly worse?
So for now, ¿Ryzern 3 7320u or i3-1215u?
-On Windows
-On Linux
Base on this video, What I notice that score 3D Mark especially Fire Strike much lower then it previous Ryzen 3 5300U.
2CU RDNA2 simply too small to compete with 6CU VEGA in 5300U
I m so hyped for the more powerful apus when I see that kind of results with only 2 cu I m wondering what will be the capabilities of the Phoenix one 🤞
I really want them to release the Phoenix line.
Great lowcost apu ! For emulator did you use batocera or other linux distrib or just under windows ?
Sounds like the i3 1215 is a much better budget APU. Or are products with that chip significantly more expensive despite it being Intel's lowest end chip?
So I think preordering a Loki mini Pro i3-1215U instead of the AMD mendocino model is the correct decision.
I knew the performance of 2CUs is severely crippled even with RDNA2.
i think i been waiting like 30 years for a actual integrated useful graphics i remember like half mb 1 mb video cards
Wasn't the original Aspire a Netbook? You will see better deals on Black Friday if you want a laptop. Plus at $399 you can get a Steam Deck with a lot better performance.
Yea it was, I had a few with they super slow intel atom cpu. I loved that little netbook
@@ETAPRIME I almost bought one but the performance for emulation back then wasn't good enough.
I really want to see a ryzen 7000 rdna3 apu in a laptop with 2 fans and adequate heatpipes. Manufacturers these days are trying to stuff powerful cpus and gpus into thin and light hardware without adequate cooling which really limits performance
Thats why i hate laptop, even if they use ryzen 9 of laptop has crappy cooling. User can't utilized 50% of performance for Said laptop
Which handhelds have announced to be using the Mendocino, just the Loki atm???
OneXPlayer announced OneXFly with mendocino
The Aya neo plus has one in their line up as well.
Oh boy. These results are hard to justify when compared to a 64gb steam deck
I think he went a bit overboard with the daedric arrow count lol
I keep forgetting this is NOT the high-end 680m chip. So damn good regardless for the 610m. 680m is the big dog tho for sure.
well shit.. i just checked. you already have the AMD Ryzen 3 7320U review up... now i just gotta look at the 8505 hah.
AMD make my dream come true.
I picked up the Acer Aspire 5 A515-45-R74Z (Ryzen 5 5500U) for a family member with health issues, sadly they are not using as intended, so if I get it back I might play around with some low end emulation. Edit: I also added a second stick of memory when I ordered it, so I wonder how that would improve things as well.
I'm thinking on buy this laptop, its possibble later on upgrade his ram up to 16gb? Or it should remain forever solded 8gb as Lenovo variant?
totally depends on price, but this seems like a 720p emulation device when it comes to handhelds. which puts it roughly in line with the AYN Odin. I cant see spending more than 300 tops on a handheld with this chip myself and thatd be pushing it.
You mean the Ayn Loki?
I wonder if it's possible to rebalance the vram allocation say maybe 4 gigs to the GPU and 4 gigs to the CPU especially when running Linux
That's a bit faster than my Mendocino Celeron desktop