Crazy how electric changed the game. In 2010 you had to spend a minimum of 125K* to buy a sub 4 second car (*except for Nissan GTR), for a sub 3 second car you had TWO options, a 500k lambo or 3 million dollar bugatti.
He was actually impersonating the sound a turbocharger makes when closing the throttle without a blow-off valve installed (off throttle compressor surge). blow-off valves make whoosh or pshhh sounds.
@@markproper9791 there are BOVs out there that are "sequential" such as some HKS and Greddys and do indeed make the exact sounds he makes. Understandably, they're often confused for compressor surge.
BS... As a RCF owner, I can 100% say that replacement rotors are $100 each, pads are $300-700 for the set depending on the grade of pad. Compare the pads on an RCF to a C63... Good luck.. Lexus cost a tad more then Toyota's to maintain.
Honestly I think supercharged cars sound better than turbocharged ones. It doesn’t take too much of the original noise from the engine, it keeps the feel of it, you get that added whine of the supercharger, and of course power to match.
Jordan Nolan whining lol. Just like in children, I prefer not to hear it. Turbos are pleasantly disrespectful n I love it. Snorting, sneezing and spitting at other vehicles.. 🤣🤣
Yeah it's truth, you invent an attack on your state and then go to other states that have a lot of natural water and oil and kill them all because you want that.
@@lockinhinddanger934 I always find it strange when you say midgrade gas but it's cause I'm from the UK , Our lowest gas is 95 octane with premium generally 98-99 octane. Same with oils just about all our oil is fully synthetic since we change ours once a year.
Yes! It's a small distinction, but a correct one. Less people attended the concert? No, fewer people attended the concert. Very common mistake (and I am definitely NOT some nanny about grammar, calling people out. It's just nice to get it right).
If you’re not economically well off or don’t know how to work on your own car don’t buy a turbo you aren’t capable of taking care of one and it will cost you.
Smaller cars in Europe now have 1-litre 3-cylinder engine, plus turbocharger!!! 110 PS (81kW) (VW Polo TSI) My 10-year-old equivalent was 4 cyl, 1.2 litre, 105PS (75kW)
Yes, it feels so bad! You can't even go above 100kmph. If you do, you hear the turbo ranting throughout after that :( Where's the 3 litre naturally aspirated?
Agreed, I just worked on a mercedes c class "AMG". For an AMG car its quite sad to see a turbocharged inline-4 sitting there. The owner said he opted for the best option
To be fair, it's way cheaper to extract more power from turbocharged engine than it is from NA. For most of those just remapping them can give 30-50BHP, and way more than that with things like bigger IC, downpipe and air induction system. Even hybrid turbochargers cheap compared to turbo/supercharging NA engine.
There are advantages to both. I love my 1.8 TSI that gets 40mpg on the highway and 35 around town but has the torque and power when and where I want it. If you know how a turbo works there's very little lag as long as you anticipate the need for the boost
Make up the lost hp?!? Todays turbo 4 bangers are outdoing old big blocks in power and fuel economy. My ford escape has almost the same power aa my old 2v 5.4 expedition
@@102wingnut I agree mate. My turbo 2.0l in my genesis coupe gets 32.4 mpg when I go on trips. But has 276hp when I ask for it. Small, turbocharged engines are the way to go. Best of both worlds
If that's the case, then if all the turbo lovers who claim "there's 'virtually' no lag!" were right, they'd be hugely popular with that type of American
It would have been interesting if you had also talked about mean air density. I live at 5000 ft, so all things considered, a normally aspirated engine puts out about 15% less horse power. Whereas a turbo or super charged engine can maintain rated horsepower at elevations of about 8000 ft before they start to loose power.
This I always loved na buuuut I live in bc and losing more power the higher you go mean while the road is getting steeper and more curves lol bought turbo much more consistent in the mountains for sure
5000ft?? The highest point here is like 2000ft above sea level and I personally consider that already to be extremely high since I'm used to driving only 130ft above sea level.
Which is why a Swiss developed the first ever turbo for an aircraft and it went to 13,000ft and the pilots eyes froze shut. He landed it, blind, and rather than baulk about almost dying he immediately announced the success of the new device and how it vastly improved his aircrafts performance. The rest is history.
@@muskokamike127 superchargers actually have much more heat where it matters, the massive inefficiency is shown by intake temps being crazy without some sort of alcohol injection. Banks power actually just did a video on this not to long ago.
@@DrPacman You can have a full Kevlar vest, and airbag jackets, and you can walk off pretty much unharmed if you don’t get rolled over, and you have a chance of your bike not being wrecked up.
Then you want an older VW 8v or 16v engine. My '91 Jetta GLI has 330k miles on it. The head has never been removed. Other potential alternatives: Ford 300 cubic inch straight-six, Toyota 1UZ-FE (there's at least one with over a million miles), and probably at least a couple others that I am forgetting about.
3.4 v6 2003 Tacoma I’ll be at 300k next oil change. I love that old truck but I do want something new…. I just can’t bring myself to blow the money when I already have a reliable vehicle that I’m not gonna sell
IN THE 1980"S TURBOS WERE STRICTLY OIL COOLED AND WERE REPLACED (TYPICALLY @50-60,000 MILES ON VOLVOS) WITH TURBOS (NEWER FACTORY DESIGN) THAT HAD A WATER JACKET AROUND THE TURBO AND WE NO LONGER HAD COKING (OIL BURNED TO CARBON) ON THE BEARINGS, DOUBLED THE LIFE AND THE BOOST.
I wouldn't say Jason has no ego, maybe he's got a "correctly sized one" (provided there is such thing?!?) 🙄 The best part is that it seems that he's both got the knowledge and loves what he does 😁
@@Arakij11 Yes, u mean 2012 BMW 550d series with a 3L Diesel tri-turbo 381HP. There´s already the 2017 version of this car with a quad-turbo built by Borg-Warner. A few more generations and this car has more turbochargers than cylinders haha
@@WeightyLemur 2016 Golf R, has 90,000 km's on it. Year round daily driver in Canada. Makes 540whp and runs 10.82 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Stock turbo did blow, but it's a known issue and I haven't had a problem with the car other than that.
Natural aspiration just gives you a nice connection to the car in my opinion. It’s probably the sound and the throttle response that makes you feel more in control
Biggest reason to get a turbo is because exhaust enters it, witchcraft happens, and you go faster. OH also.... SSSSSSSTTTTTTUUUUUUUUUSTUSTUSTUSTUSTUTSU
@@ArchimaXed Most Diesel engines(cummins) don't even have throttle bodies so a BOV won't do a damn thing. A BOV is to prevent the turbo air stalling the blades and making then spin backwards(not efficient) when the *throttle body* is closed. To visualize the importance of a BOV for efficiency, Imagine coming off the gas and your tires start spinning the opposite direction and then you have to accelerate to get them to stop spinning the wrong way and start spinning properly. That is kind of the effect you get with a turbo without a BOV. Again most diesels don't have a throttle body so it's useless on them.
@@wyattlarrick3246 Maybe it does have a BOV, it probably has a hose routed to the air intake hose to redirect that extra air back into the intake system. Many OEM turbo vehicles are like that.
Mazda has perfected the turbo with their 2.5 liter skyactive G motor. No lag whatsoever and absolute perfect throttle response. CX-50 turbo is the new benchmark for performance in the SUV market.
@@MrLordZenki I live in NJ next to NYC and there are plenty of open Highways and Interstates to cruise around. I used to live in Kansas City and I've driven across the states to Southern California as well as three trips from Midwest to North East. There are so many nice roads in Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and southern states.
Ken Kalajdžič nope. The principles are the same with petrol. All 2019 petrol turbo cars are 11:1 compression ratio hence great low rpm throttle response.
@@kenkalajdzic I have a neighbor that has a diesel engine that is NA... TSI or whatever it's called... Don't know how well it works for him... But I do know that it's battery died a few times... It was in the winter...Didn't happen on ours...and our car is a TDI. :D
I’m glad I bought my truck when I did. It was my last chance to get one with no turbo, no auto transmission, no cylinder deactivation or stop/start nonsense, no push-button start, no complex infotainment system with gps maps and such. It has a radio and cruise control.
@@muskokamike127 ok good point. A turbo will give you 2x Torque of the same engine N/A. You CAN however build a small displacement Turbo engine that will give you the same or higher torque as a larger displacement NA engine.
@Jose Martins just as an example my last car was a 1.8L that made 100hp and 105ft-lb. My new car is a 1.8 turbo that makes 184hp and 199lb-ft. The torque band kicks in at 2500rpm and is pretty flat up to redline. I know people have upgraded the turbo and tune to get well over 200hp. Oh and my new car gets 2mpg less on average than the old one. Still get 40 mpg on the highway.
@Jose Martins no it's two separate cars the new one is a Golf TSI. I understand it runs about 11-12 psi. I'm still running it stock with no mods so far. Maybe a tune up in the future... Once the warranty runs out lol.
In Europe we like small engines with turbos,and they are fine as long as you service the car, my last small turbo engine had 160000,and was still strong.
Manufacturers love turbo's because they can claim CAFE standards within the fleet. Easier to make a car that gets good mileage when not pushed hard, which is what they care about.
Robert Mills turbos are better fuel economy, better mid rpm torque where people actually drive, in 2019 are all 11:1 cr hence great throttle reponse. Turbos dominatw all classes of motor sport where they are allowed. All commercial vehicles are turbo with turbo trucks typically doing 1M kms between rebuilds.
IIRC turbos are great at economy ... But only when you're babying it because you're basically running a tiny NA engine. When you put down power, well now you go from 2 L to 3L and it eats fuel accordingly, and then some to keep cylinders cool.
@@feez357 Engine sound given by Donut Media. Turbo by Engineering Explained... Yeah...you know which Donut Media video I am talking about... The Dodge Demon vid... With the BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! (Dodge Demon engine sound)
I would be very interested in a video comparing turbo vs NA fuel economy at the same horsepower rating. For instance, take any Ecoboost and compare it to something with the same horsepower that is NA.
I drive a 2018 wrx, and I can definitely say the throttle is basically an on/off switch. It's very difficult to drive the car "normally". The slightest pressure and you're hitting boost. Many modern cars have a more sensitive throttle than I'd like, but the wrx takes that to the extreme. My previous car had a mechanical throttle that gave you tons of room and a smoother response. I do like my car, but they could have tuned that throttle to be a bit less sensitive.
Great video! Most modern manufacturers though, use twin turbos or even twin charging (turbo and supercharger) to give you better response with minimal turbo lag. I still like my NA v8 :)
I recently bought a new civic SI with that 1.5t mostly bc it was cheap and a manual and cool. I didnt realize I loved the turbo kicking in till I've driven it 3k miles. I love it when that acceleration hits and my steering wheel wants to go nuts and my car wants to generate lift. Turbos are fun man.
@@youkofoxy He said about CVT's being bad...And he has an electric car... Two wheels broken because of a pothole and it costed him almost 3000 $... That's...more than we paid for our car... And yes...we know what electric car charges a looot of money... Tes...I mean Edison...Clearly Edison is the company's name. He has the Edison Model 3. xD
If you like a 5 liter, I suggest you test drive a Naturally Aspirated 6.4 liter, 485 HP Dodge Hemi Challenger Scat Pack. I love mine, it gets pretty good gas mileage with MDS, sounds awesome!
@@andreasf3064 It's a fairly reasonable example Sometimes you might need to rely on that power to save your life What if you're about to get rear ended? With a huge turbo you may not get off the line fast enough
“This is America, I want it and I want it NOW!” Wait at the McD drive thru ordering line to place order. Wait to get to the pay window. After paying, wait to get the food. I think a little bit of turbo lag isn’t that bad.
After watching a few of these.....I'm convinced I should probably just take the bus. But honestly, my 2016 VW Jetta 1.4 tsi has virtually no lag . Quick for what it is.
Friend of mine and i were talking about exactly this the other day. We're both in the market for "new" cars. He favors forced induction cars where i prefer naturally aspirated car. We were looking at getting similar cars, 4WD, 5 speed manual, but he insisted i must get a forced induction car. I just couldn't bring my self to go to a Turbo car, I'd rather a super charger if i must get forced induction. He still insists Turbo's are the way to go, but man i just can't freakin stand them. Naturally Aspirated all the way, Supercharged if it must be Forced Induction. but alas I have next to no influence with the car industry.
I like my 2.7 turbo in my ford pickup, good power, good economy and proven reliability. You didn't mention the larger pumping losses in a larger engine.
My personal experience with turbocharged cars is that the gaskets, belts, hoses, and plastics degrade more quickly, the breather/PCV systems are very complex, and oil consumption is very high.
It still is, a turbo is a ristriction in the exhaust meaning you'd still get higher temperatures at the exhaust valves. There is a reason mazda has to drop compression in their only turbo engine.
Naturally aspirated engines are good if they have enough displacement (V8 or more), but for the regular low displacement engines, well they are really bad. No torque no power, you have to rev it to the infinity and then some just to obtain a mediocre performance. And about the sound, you obviously haven’t heard the Pagani Huayra. And about waiting for the torque to come up from turbos, on the naturally aspirated engine you have to wait until it comes to the top rpms to get some and in most of the times it comes out with power boost too and then you have both to manage it’s like the turbo engine of the old. About the efficiency I’ll give you that one because you are correct when you talk about petrol engines but when you build a Diesel engine with the turbo in mind then you get a pretty nice result. Just to make a case I drive a small turbocharged diesel engine car with only 1.6 l displacement and only 120 hp of power and 300 Nm of torque and in a car that weighs 1400 kg(do your own conversions). And I can travel on the highway comfortably in the 6th gear well over the speed limit and with plenty of reserve for an emergency overtake. Meanwhile I consume less than 6 l of diesel per 100 km. And you can hear the engine barely. Okay?
Just keep climbing and see what happens. My Country, MÉXICO, almost all of it is surrounded by two Sierras (Mountainous Chains, also called). For leaving México City, you have to climb Hill & Mountain roads in between 8,500 to 9,500 feet. Then You see the Turbocharged vehicles "waving goodbyes" to Normal Aspirated ones.
@@404nobrakes Right sir. Mexico City is at 7,340 ft. elevation. We non-turbocharged drivers start climbing with a detriment of a 22% less power (following the old rule of thumb of -10% power for every 1,000 meters (3280 ft.) of elevation (7,340 / 328= 22.4% ("a la Jason style" Hahaha!)) Thank You, Sir.
Roger Hinman turbo lag isn’t that bad anymore thanks billet compressor and turbine wheels, increased exhaust gas speed and layout, the bearings used and the such, they’re not really that complicated and they’re pretty reliable, my 01’ Audi S4 has never had the turbos maintained or replaced in almost 200k miles, and that’s almost 2 decades old, they’re honestly pretty efficient, not really complicated and they don’t really break unless you beat the piss out of them and even then you can beat on them but take care of them with proper heating and cooling cycles and change your oil.
Roger Hinman wake up mate. All commercial vehicles and heavy machinery are turbo for efficiency and reliability. Turbo trucks typically go 1M kms between rebuilds. All 2019 turbo cars have 11:1 compression ratio hence great low rpm throttle response. I have a factory 4L turbo Barra, and the torque @ 2000rpm is amazing.
You should have more subscribers. You're a genius (duh!). I may not be a subscriber, but I do watch your videos from time to time. Each time I do....you're spot on. This video proves your point.
Love todays turbos, as far as throttle response, that's what the eco/sport/normal button is for. Turbo lag these days is very minimal, it's more like .5 secs later. And your torque curve depends on how big a turbo you are running. I had 3 turbos in the 90's, and one now, I'll take the turbo. And can also plug a chip giving me 48hp more, but I won't due to voiding my warranty. Your oil issue is a non issue, I talked to the manufacturer of my vehicle about the 3min warmup/cooldown I used to have to do in the 90's, they stated not really necessary as the oil lines are smaller pushing oil through faster. Only poor maintenance kills a turbo, and guess what, it kill any motor. Sound? I don't want anyone to hear me speeding.
Nope as a technician myself, I see turbo gas engines with oil changes done right at 3k miles and the oil comes out black. My oil on a NA engine at 3k miles still comes out amber. What do you think all that abrasive burnt carbon in the oil does to engine tolerances? Not to mention the heat. You burn the candle at both ends, it burns out faster.
Well now, just hold on a sec. Reality check, please. This talk of "delay" is really an issue of the past. In the Fords I drive, there is no lag. And I read many reviews of newer turbos that have none as well. PLUS this initial torque is down low where EVERYDAY DRIVER has use for it. Come on, really, when do MOST drivers EVER see their engines running at high RPMs!? Never, really. We need it from red lights and up ramps. Never at top of the limits like these reviewers rant about. Silly. Other than the cooling and temp issues which are addressed with modern synthetic oils and proper maintenance...the NA engine is just lagging.
Yes, but they lack boost. As soon as you get to full boost, you’re at redline. You can have a turbo producing full boost-and higher boost-at as little as 1500 RPM and hold it until a 7000 RPM redline. And with a BOV and quick gear changes it’s already mostly spooled for the next pull. If Top Fuel allowed turbos they’d be doing 500 foot passes.
@@Bartonovich52 Have you watched drag strip cars which have turbochargers? They have to spool the turbo before launching. Otherwise they'd fall on their face. On the other hand, drag strip cars with a big twin-screw or roots-style supercharger nail the throttle and it's cranking out positive pressure instantly and quite a lot of it.
Turbos are great when you're cutting into another lane. You cut someone off but instead of accelerating into space, with the delay you make them hit their brakes, and just as they start getting mad you take off. Combine throttle by wire, turbos, and an automatic transmission hunting for gears, the look on other people's face is priceless.
Sérgio Alves 2015 Ford Escape (turbo), 2017 Nissan Altima, 2018 Kia Soul. At least the Soul has a sport mode which seems to reduce the delay with kick down when maneuvering in city driving.
@@zipskippy433 They must all have some really shitty automatics because you can't tell me with a straight face that those cars have such bad turbo lag that you nearly crash into people in traffic. Or maybe you just can't drive the cars properly, you don't floor the throttle in 6th gear at 1200rpm on a small turbocharged engine. Do you americans realize that that in Europe like half the cars on the road are turbocharged? An no people don't crash them because of the turbo lag, and yes they do last hundreds of thousands of miles too.
@@zipskippy433 You're exactly the guy I like to have fun in with my Nitrous car :) Good luck with your so called driving style. Sounds to me that you'll be the one getting mad. LOLOLOL
My 2009 Volvo C70 with a 2.5 liter 5 cyl turbo with variable valve timing. It produces max torque at 1500 to about 4800. It pulls great off the line too. The auto makers know that MOST of the time the driver will spend of the time from idle to about mid rpm range. Engines with low to mid range torque are the best for street use. But in a drag race ( not often used) the high rpm hp and torque are best.
My 2015 Volvo S60 T5 has no turbo lag. It makes peak torque of 260 lb-ft by 1500 RPM and keeps it all the way up the range. The exhaust headers (yes, steel headers) and turbine housing are the same piece and manufactured as part of the turbo.. it placed right next to the head. It has dual inlet channels from the headers. The engine is direct injected. It spins up instantly. As far as longevity...my last Volvo s40 T4 was running fine at 250,000 miles when I sold it as well as my Saab 9-3 ARC at 250,000 miles when I sold it.
Jeremy Clarkson once showed the difference between NA and turbo lag on _Top Gear_ by racing a minivan against a Mitsu Evo FQ400. Both were in 6 gear at a matching speed, and both floored it. The minivan pulled away whilst Jeremy was sitting there waiting for the turbo to spool.
That's not lag, that's boost threshold. The Evo is obviously losing to a short geared minivan if it is before it even has a third of its torque in a gear that gets it to the much higher top speed
Depends on if you see it as useful or not. I see it as adding pressure to the engine which shortens life span. If your one to get a new car every few years that's likely ok but I keep mine 20 or more years. My oldest is a 2003 with 236,000 miles and still going strong with nothing but routine maintenance.
@@strtngfrsh manufacturers get rid of that attitude. They need more money, so they want to sell more cars and faster, because they need the money for "development", therefore they make the cars worse. Interesting, back in the 80s for example they didn't need that much money...
@Frances Hill If you are gonna give up that much performance(Especially in diesel cars) for sound, you can go and listen to youtube videos. A good na v8 definently sounds good but I would rather take a straight 5 diesel tdi if I had to choose.
Why cant you just say i dont like small turbocharged engines. I prefer large naturally aspirated engines. Thats basically whats happening here. You have a conclusion and are telling people why its right.
I agree with all but point 5, I put one on a RB26, instant happiness 💯👏🏿 reliability is a *MASSIVE* factor for me, I want the car (especially if its one of my favorites) to last as long as possible, and if its boosted, then the longevity is reduced.
That's why you go supercharged!!! I love my supercharged e46 as it keeps the feel of naturally aspirated but feels like a big v8 underneath the bonnet. @E46_supercharged
Been buying Saab turbos since before turbos were cool. Can't replace all that low end torque unless you really upside the engine which equals more weight and fuel consumption even if you're not stepping into it.
"its not crazy fast, 0-60 is under 4 seconds"
Jason...you are spoiled af :D Everything under 5 seconds is QUITE fast ....
Dean Johnson I know right
I wish they would advertise quarter mile times and trap speed. 0-60 is practically meaningless now that every car has launch control and crazy tires
Everything under 5 seconds is decent, when you get under 3 seconds it is crazy fast :)
Crazy how electric changed the game. In 2010 you had to spend a minimum of 125K* to buy a sub 4 second car (*except for Nissan GTR), for a sub 3 second car you had TWO options, a 500k lambo or 3 million dollar bugatti.
"I need to shift, but I'm listening to the engine"
- valid reasoning
Quit beeping at me I'm digging that crazy v8 growl nice
See, if he kept the S2000. He could keep revving all the way to 9000!!
True story
I can bet that his advisor is a 60 years old mechanic. Most of the arguments brought here belong to the carburetor age.
@@duddahgyeah7653 Somewhat valid response depending on which engine you are referring to. 1960's or early 80's?
I buy a turbo car then do a turbo delete, then returbo it.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing twice... Or sometimes 3 times
anotha one
..with a bigger turbo!
addict
makes sense
“It is not crazy fast... uh... zero to 60 under 4secs”....
You daily drive a F-35?
omg i've been binging boostedboiz and emeliahartford channels where the average hp is 700hp up to 1000hp. i get it lolz
Supercharged Miata which is about as quick as bag of potato chips powered by 🚀
F35 Pratt and Whitney's engine cant be that great in acceleration
Superlite slc. Skip all the stuff and make it cheap. Then dump money in engine and tires and ecu stuff.
2.9 seconds to 60.
*bolts turbo to 5.3 ls* "what now? I wasn't listening."
LS + Big Turbo = Maximum Freedom
@@johnrice6717 I'm more an LS + roots blower person, because blower wine is a beautiful thing.
That’s what I was thinking
@@jasonyoung6420: Nothin against super chargers, but it wasn't a supercharged LS that was the first stick shift GM to hit the 7s
Jason Young : *WHINE, but I agree, that sound is as sweet as wine. NHRA funny cars are like Bordeaux!
You definitely need to impersonate blow off valves more often. I propose that it becomes your new intro.
That needs to be the TH-cam notification sound when he uploads
Or at least make it available as a ringtone.
He was actually impersonating the sound a turbocharger makes when closing the throttle without a blow-off valve installed (off throttle compressor surge). blow-off valves make whoosh or pshhh sounds.
@@markproper9791 there are BOVs out there that are "sequential" such as some HKS and Greddys and do indeed make the exact sounds he makes. Understandably, they're often confused for compressor surge.
9:21
rotors & pads replacement for this lexus costs more than scotty's toyota celica
Yeah but you got to admit that Scotty's Celica is a more practical car. Jason only drives sporty stuff.
BS... As a RCF owner, I can 100% say that replacement rotors are $100 each, pads are $300-700 for the set depending on the grade of pad. Compare the pads on an RCF to a C63... Good luck.. Lexus cost a tad more then Toyota's to maintain.
MrChrisproductions 🤦♂️
@Frost Bite 400
@@MrChrisproductions how much do you think Scotty's Celica worth???
The fact that you drive and explain that long nerdy science at the same time non stop is impressive!
EE: You shouldn't buy a turbocharged car
Me: Alright, I will buy a supercharged one.
Next upload: Why you shouldn’t buy a supercharged car.
Honestly I think supercharged cars sound better than turbocharged ones. It doesn’t take too much of the original noise from the engine, it keeps the feel of it, you get that added whine of the supercharger, and of course power to match.
Jordan Nolan whining lol. Just like in children, I prefer not to hear it. Turbos are pleasantly disrespectful n I love it. Snorting, sneezing and spitting at other vehicles.. 🤣🤣
So three turbos small mid and big when hit ????rpm then mid turbo comes and so on right?
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1 reason to rule them all: Mo Powa baby
*wrong channel, sorry*
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@@eddymison3527 VTEC Yo
And hrspers
*LIGHTNING, LIGHTING, LIGHTNING*
“This is America I want it now” I died 😂😂😂
**freedom intensifies**
Its my money and i need it now.
it's funny cause it's true
Unlike the rest of the world's where they don't want it right then.
Yeah it's truth, you invent an attack on your state and then go to other states that have a lot of natural water and oil and kill them all because you want that.
Long term a naturally aspirated engine is superior
In what way? Reliability ?
I agree, like being single, less stress, less things to go wrong.
@@Jasontvnd9 I mean yeah mainly reliability... Also some older turbos REQUIRED midgrade or premium gas and more expensive oil.
@@lockinhinddanger934 I always find it strange when you say midgrade gas but it's cause I'm from the UK , Our lowest gas is 95 octane with premium generally 98-99 octane.
Same with oils just about all our oil is fully synthetic since we change ours once a year.
@@Jasontvnd9 you think it's fully synthetic but it's not.
Only Amsoil and Redline make 100 % synthetic.
This is why Im going to wait for the naturally aspirated Taycan
that'll be a long wait, lol
🥴🙃🤣👊🏻👍🏻🙄
Hummmm....
Actually the Taycan is a Turbo. It says so right on the trunk so....
It has a Turbo Trunck, which has a worse opening/closing response rate than a naturally aspirated trunck.
I myself ride a turbocharged vehicle every day. Sometimes it's my car, sometimes it's the bus.
Maiza Hyodo my daily drive is a 800hp turbo barra Falcon, or a turbo bus.
Do tell....
It was a beautiful moment when you flashed "fewer" to correct your grammar after saying "lesser".
Yes! It's a small distinction, but a correct one. Less people attended the concert? No, fewer people attended the concert. Very common mistake (and I am definitely NOT some nanny about grammar, calling people out. It's just nice to get it right).
It's a made up rule. The old Anglo-Saxon Kings wrote used "less" for items too: Swa mid læs worda swa mid ma, swæðer we hit yereccan mayon.
Drax: That's a made up word
Thor: All words are made up
"More faster" at 2:38 though...
Good call. Appreciate the grammatical correction.
If you’re not economically well off or don’t know how to work on your own car don’t buy a turbo you aren’t capable of taking care of one and it will cost you.
REV UP YOUR TURBOS!!!
oops, wrong channel 😝
m.blacktree turbos don’t rev- they spool lmao
friends he's copying a quote and adlib the last part. So it is rev up.
Well played!
it's an endless muneypit
Yahhhh
I like how you care about less versus fewer, but “more faster” is perfectly fine. Hehe ;)
He could've worded that more better
lol i also noticed that XD
It's not necessarily incorrect. It just needs a comma: "spools up more, faster" (more or less short for "it spools up more, and it does so faster").
Andrew Garvin you would be correct... if he added the correct punctuation...... but he didn’t. So no, it is not technically correct.
@@07acanoia He didn't say it was technically correct. He said it was not necessarily incorrect.
470 hp its not crazy fast he says
My car only have 122 hp 😢
I drive my moms peugeot 107 from 2007 with 68 hp and tires that couldn't grip a falling ant
Bruh my car has 70 Hp
Power to weight is far more important then raw numbers, power that low I imagine your driving a tiny eco box.
@@jaydunbar7538 true my 122hp car is rapid only cos it light weight haha check it out on my channel
Yeah I don't get how a car that does 0-60 in under 4 seconds is not consider crazy fast.
It's now becoming the standard for cars to have 1.3 - 1.5 litre enginee plus a turbocharger.
Sadly.
Everything is basically a rally engine now. 2.0 seems to be the max of most cars nowadays.
Smaller cars in Europe now have 1-litre 3-cylinder engine, plus turbocharger!!! 110 PS (81kW) (VW Polo TSI)
My 10-year-old equivalent was 4 cyl, 1.2 litre, 105PS (75kW)
Yes, it feels so bad! You can't even go above 100kmph. If you do, you hear the turbo ranting throughout after that :(
Where's the 3 litre naturally aspirated?
Agreed, I just worked on a mercedes c class "AMG". For an AMG car its quite sad to see a turbocharged inline-4 sitting there. The owner said he opted for the best option
engines getting smaller with less cylinders and strapping a turbo on to make up the power. Rather than giving us bigger engines strapped with a turbo.
To be fair, it's way cheaper to extract more power from turbocharged engine than it is from NA.
For most of those just remapping them can give 30-50BHP, and way more than that with things like bigger IC, downpipe and air induction system.
Even hybrid turbochargers cheap compared to turbo/supercharging NA engine.
There are advantages to both. I love my 1.8 TSI that gets 40mpg on the highway and 35 around town but has the torque and power when and where I want it. If you know how a turbo works there's very little lag as long as you anticipate the need for the boost
Make up the lost hp?!? Todays turbo 4 bangers are outdoing old big blocks in power and fuel economy. My ford escape has almost the same power aa my old 2v 5.4 expedition
@@102wingnut I agree mate. My turbo 2.0l in my genesis coupe gets 32.4 mpg when I go on trips. But has 276hp when I ask for it. Small, turbocharged engines are the way to go. Best of both worlds
@@jeffreyreardon7487 awesome! Yeah for us that's definitely true.
"this is america" "i want my power now"
JG Wenturbo..877 POWER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Should be: this is america I want more powaa!
It’s my power and I want it now!!!
More power babbyyy
joey sparks mo POWAh baby?
“This is America. I want power and I want it now!” The energy in that has more heat than most turbos
That's what Trump said :P
If that's the case, then if all the turbo lovers who claim "there's 'virtually' no lag!" were right, they'd be hugely popular with that type of American
It would have been interesting if you had also talked about mean air density. I live at 5000 ft, so all things considered, a normally aspirated engine puts out about 15% less horse power. Whereas a turbo or super charged engine can maintain rated horsepower at elevations of about 8000 ft before they start to loose power.
This I always loved na buuuut I live in bc and losing more power the higher you go mean while the road is getting steeper and more curves lol bought turbo much more consistent in the mountains for sure
5000ft?? The highest point here is like 2000ft above sea level and I personally consider that already to be extremely high since I'm used to driving only 130ft above sea level.
Yeah but the air is much colder at 5000 feet than down in the city so, that helps make up for it.
@@dazeen9591 Where is here, exactly? Denver, CO is 5,279ft above sea level.
Which is why a Swiss developed the first ever turbo for an aircraft and it went to 13,000ft and the pilots eyes froze shut. He landed it, blind, and rather than baulk about almost dying he immediately announced the success of the new device and how it vastly improved his aircrafts performance. The rest is history.
I'd appreciate a 'Why not to buy a supercharged car' video if you haven't yet.
Superchargers are very inefficient, that's basically it. Great throttle response as the trade.
@@jaydunbar7538 except it has throttle response, it has boost when you want it and no boost when you dont.
Jay Dunbar right even tho a centrifugal supercharger is still a supercharger I’d rather go with that than a twin screw
@@muskokamike127 superchargers actually have much more heat where it matters, the massive inefficiency is shown by intake temps being crazy without some sort of alcohol injection. Banks power actually just did a video on this not to long ago.
@@jaydunbar7538 A lot of superchargers are intercooled. Typically water-air but some centrifugal superchargers use air-air units.
“0-60 in under 4.2 secs, so it’s not crazy fast. But its good.” Lol
I was looking for this comment
As a biker: "What's so special about it?"
@@V4zz33 airbags
@@DrPacman bruh 🤣💀
@@DrPacman You can have a full Kevlar vest, and airbag jackets, and you can walk off pretty much unharmed if you don’t get rolled over, and you have a chance of your bike not being wrecked up.
Screw turbo-chargers! I want a car with an engine that will last 300,000 miles.
Then you want an older VW 8v or 16v engine. My '91 Jetta GLI has 330k miles on it. The head has never been removed.
Other potential alternatives: Ford 300 cubic inch straight-six, Toyota 1UZ-FE (there's at least one with over a million miles), and probably at least a couple others that I am forgetting about.
2011 model 528i inline engine crossed already 4,50,000 km and still running
3.4 v6 2003 Tacoma I’ll be at 300k next oil change. I love that old truck but I do want something new…. I just can’t bring myself to blow the money when I already have a reliable vehicle that I’m not gonna sell
@@ham7357 I'd keep the Taco until it dies... which will probably be a very long time!
Speedometer blurred out at 10:18 - you know how much fun he's having!
Ah yes the typical flames out of the cold side of the turbo stock image
The air coming out of the cold side of the turbo is pretty hot though... Over 100 deg C at full boost.
Eviltech word
Lol
The cold side is pointing up to the left a bit....
Hey, if your K&N filter is on fire... don't knock it!
(I said knock...)
That was a solid "tu-tu-tu-tu"! Marty and Moog would be proud.
a mighty tu tu tu
Rose's are red violets are blue I like cars that go tu tu tu
IN THE 1980"S TURBOS WERE STRICTLY OIL COOLED AND WERE REPLACED (TYPICALLY @50-60,000 MILES ON VOLVOS) WITH TURBOS (NEWER FACTORY DESIGN) THAT HAD A WATER JACKET AROUND THE TURBO AND WE NO LONGER HAD COKING (OIL BURNED TO CARBON) ON THE BEARINGS, DOUBLED THE LIFE AND THE BOOST.
His impression of turbo noises was the best part of this video 🤣🤣
forrby c Personally, I think the NA V8 impression was even better 10:28 "ommmmmm" haha
Doo doo doo doo 😂
@@ryanmcmanus8408 wow wonder why my turbo does not sound like that at all lol.
“This is America!, I want it now” Lol love it
North America or South America?
Ahmeddeeka!
Wow,an engineer without an ego who's honest and can speak in layman's terms.
I wouldn't say Jason has no ego, maybe he's got a "correctly sized one" (provided there is such thing?!?) 🙄 The best part is that it seems that he's both got the knowledge and loves what he does 😁
such a thing doesn't exist.
I'd know, since i'm studying to be one
Those that can't explain something in layman's terms probably don't know the stuff good enough and use too many specialty words to conceal it.
Only thing I love turbos in is ah diesel engine.
Nitpick-of-the-week: Jason: in your throttle/torque graph it should be throttle on x, torque on f(x), IMO.
I like you
@@YouPlague I like you for liking him
Unless... Inverse driver wish map...
Nah. I'm with you on this.
@@SangheiliSpecOp I like you for liking him..
@@Vijimn1 i like you for liking me for liking him for liking him
name of the title should be: "5 Reasons You Should Buy A Twin-Turbocharged Car
"
due to the graph shown at 3:45 ;)
Or even like a BMW with 3 turbochargers. One for low rpm, one for mid rpm and one for high rpm
(I think it's a BMW but im not sure anymore)
@@Arakij11 Yes, u mean 2012 BMW 550d series with a 3L Diesel tri-turbo 381HP. There´s already the 2017 version of this car with a quad-turbo built by Borg-Warner. A few more generations and this car has more turbochargers than cylinders haha
@@CaramellsutraA Why not a Lancia Delta S4?
Rally car? Check.
Group B? Check.
Twincharged madness? Oh we got plenty of that.
Why not just replace all cylinders with turbines. Bring back jet cars
@@poisonpotato1 Because you press the gas pedal today...and it actually accelerates tomorrow?
Tune in next week for "5 Reasons You Should Buy A Turbocharged Car"?
Joe Williams yup. But... Jason already bashed turbos on another video.
Oh God, don't let vehicle virgins take over Jason 😥
I have a 2.0 litre four cylinder that has 540 reasons.
@@dwvw So is one of the reasons the towing home when running at full boost for more than 15 minutes? Id say so too, more time with the family! 😍
@@WeightyLemur 2016 Golf R, has 90,000 km's on it. Year round daily driver in Canada. Makes 540whp and runs 10.82 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Stock turbo did blow, but it's a known issue and I haven't had a problem with the car other than that.
Natural aspiration just gives you a nice connection to the car in my opinion. It’s probably the sound and the throttle response that makes you feel more in control
"This is America, I want it now" someone clip that. I need the reaction video.
I know right? Let's keep it that way, mate. lol
Biggest reason to get a turbo is because exhaust enters it, witchcraft happens, and you go faster.
OH also.... SSSSSSSTTTTTTUUUUUUUUUSTUSTUSTUSTUSTUTSU
My Cummins 5.0 doesn't have a BOV though, just a waste gate.
God I was waiting for this.
@@wyattlarrick3246 No need for a BOV... the compressor surge is enough sound for me! BOV is just for showing off
@@ArchimaXed Most Diesel engines(cummins) don't even have throttle bodies so a BOV won't do a damn thing. A BOV is to prevent the turbo air stalling the blades and making then spin backwards(not efficient) when the *throttle body* is closed.
To visualize the importance of a BOV for efficiency, Imagine coming off the gas and your tires start spinning the opposite direction and then you have to accelerate to get them to stop spinning the wrong way and start spinning properly. That is kind of the effect you get with a turbo without a BOV. Again most diesels don't have a throttle body so it's useless on them.
@@wyattlarrick3246 Maybe it does have a BOV, it probably has a hose routed to the air intake hose to redirect that extra air back into the intake system. Many OEM turbo vehicles are like that.
I don’t think we worry about fuel economy when we’re at 100% throttle.
Especially on something like e85 lol
Mazda has perfected the turbo with their 2.5 liter skyactive G motor. No lag whatsoever and absolute perfect throttle response. CX-50 turbo is the new benchmark for performance in the SUV market.
Living here in Singapore I lust for the roads this guy is driving on...
Don't feel bad, I live in USA but in a dense metropolitan area, and I also lust for the roads he drives on.
@@MrLordZenki I live in NJ next to NYC and there are plenty of open Highways and Interstates to cruise around. I used to live in Kansas City and I've driven across the states to Southern California as well as three trips from Midwest to North East. There are so many nice roads in Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and southern states.
These type of roads are pretty dangerous too. These are prone to deer crossings that can turn your enjoyable ride into a nightmare..
Johor
Roads maybe long but what about speed limits and speed cameras, Germany has those no peed limits autobahns.
Tried driving a diesel truck without a turbo. You’ll never question if it should have one or not.
Diesel are another story. There are good NA gasoline engines, can't say the same about diesels ...
Ken Kalajdžič nope. The principles are the same with petrol. All 2019 petrol turbo cars are 11:1 compression ratio hence great low rpm throttle response.
@@kenkalajdzic I have a neighbor that has a diesel engine that is NA... TSI or whatever it's called...
Don't know how well it works for him...
But I do know that it's battery died a few times...
It was in the winter...Didn't happen on ours...and our car is a TDI. :D
Gm's old 6.5 is a great example.
without the turbo your looking at 45mph tops.
In the early 80's I had a Mk1 Ford Escort, it came with factory fitted delayed action steering and breaking system, fun times indeed.
I’m glad I bought my truck when I did. It was my last chance to get one with no turbo, no auto transmission, no cylinder deactivation or stop/start nonsense, no push-button start, no complex infotainment system with gps maps and such. It has a radio and cruise control.
And this is why I love my 3.6R Outback. Such smooth power whenever I ask for it.
@2:29 yes but here it's like delayed gratification. Because when the boost comes on it's gonna hit with 2x the torque of the NA engine
@Jose Martins no that's about right depending on your turbo setup.
Not to mention traction issues.... Floor it, get rolling a bit and as the tires get moving the torque ramps up. Just like a multi-stage drag setup.
@@muskokamike127 ok good point. A turbo will give you 2x Torque of the same engine N/A.
You CAN however build a small displacement Turbo engine that will give you the same or higher torque as a larger displacement NA engine.
@Jose Martins just as an example my last car was a 1.8L that made 100hp and 105ft-lb. My new car is a 1.8 turbo that makes 184hp and 199lb-ft. The torque band kicks in at 2500rpm and is pretty flat up to redline. I know people have upgraded the turbo and tune to get well over 200hp.
Oh and my new car gets 2mpg less on average than the old one. Still get 40 mpg on the highway.
@Jose Martins no it's two separate cars the new one is a Golf TSI. I understand it runs about 11-12 psi. I'm still running it stock with no mods so far. Maybe a tune up in the future... Once the warranty runs out lol.
2:20 *Meme*
-What do we want?
Power!
-When do we want it!
Right now!
(Queen's *'I Want it All'* playing in the back)
In Europe we like small engines with turbos,and they are fine as long as you service the car, my last small turbo engine had 160000,and was still strong.
Manufacturers love turbo's because they can claim CAFE standards within the fleet. Easier to make a car that gets good mileage when not pushed hard, which is what they care about.
Robert Mills turbos are better fuel economy, better mid rpm torque where people actually drive, in 2019 are all 11:1 cr hence great throttle reponse. Turbos dominatw all classes of motor sport where they are allowed. All commercial vehicles are turbo with turbo trucks typically doing 1M kms between rebuilds.
IIRC turbos are great at economy ... But only when you're babying it because you're basically running a tiny NA engine. When you put down power, well now you go from 2 L to 3L and it eats fuel accordingly, and then some to keep cylinders cool.
Can we get like a 5 minute video of you just making turbo noises? Thanks.
Jay G that turbo sound was spot on!
He could be driving any crap car with no sound and doing the whole motor / turbo thing in real time!
@@feez357 Engine sound given by Donut Media.
Turbo by Engineering Explained...
Yeah...you know which Donut Media video I am talking about...
The Dodge Demon vid...
With the BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! (Dodge Demon engine sound)
I would be very interested in a video comparing turbo vs NA fuel economy at the same horsepower rating. For instance, take any Ecoboost and compare it to something with the same horsepower that is NA.
My 182hp 1.5 turbo Focus uses at least 35% less fuel than my mom's 160hp N/A 2.0 Mazda CX-5. So.... There's that.
Now try that at around 5500 rpm, then it's a different story. There's always two sides.
It really depends on the driver. A driver that let's the turbo(s) and transmission do all the work will see better fuel economy.
@@torod213 You are alo comparing a compact car to an SUV, but the turbo still helps.
@@BugMagnet *wagon to an SUV, but yes you have a point. It accounts for some of the difference, but far from all of it.
I drive a 2018 wrx, and I can definitely say the throttle is basically an on/off switch. It's very difficult to drive the car "normally". The slightest pressure and you're hitting boost. Many modern cars have a more sensitive throttle than I'd like, but the wrx takes that to the extreme. My previous car had a mechanical throttle that gave you tons of room and a smoother response.
I do like my car, but they could have tuned that throttle to be a bit less sensitive.
As a 21 WRX STi owner. I agree with this. It like either on or off. Unless you want to get up to 35 mph in like 15 seconds
I love N/A cars....and turbo cars and supercharged cars.....if it's got wheels and makes me smile when I'm driving it then I love it...
Great video! Most modern manufacturers though, use twin turbos or even twin charging (turbo and supercharger) to give you better response with minimal turbo lag. I still like my NA v8 :)
The ecoboost uses twin scrolls, One turbo housing.
Want to talk about rare? Naturally aspirated Manual Transmission (Standard for you out of the US folks).
Those are common in the Midwest.
Gasp! Heretic! Heretic I say!!
@@dave_riots So few in the west coast. Its ridiculous.
@@ChildoftheKoRnf9 Well there's your problem
Miata's my man.
I recently bought a new civic SI with that 1.5t mostly bc it was cheap and a manual and cool. I didnt realize I loved the turbo kicking in till I've driven it 3k miles. I love it when that acceleration hits and my steering wheel wants to go nuts and my car wants to generate lift. Turbos are fun man.
Man I love the sound of turbos with a cold air intake. That induction noise and that sound while the boost ramps is addicting lol. Great video 👍
It’s funny how the pitch and enthusiasm of Jason’s voice has increased over the years. We are at peak Jason
He's at peak torque
If I extend your logic, then obviously you end up with *drum roll* electric car :-)
or a Car with CVT.
He does have a Model 3.
@@youkofoxy He said about CVT's being bad...And he has an electric car...
Two wheels broken because of a pothole and it costed him almost 3000 $...
That's...more than we paid for our car...
And yes...we know what electric car charges a looot of money... Tes...I mean Edison...Clearly Edison is the company's name.
He has the Edison Model 3. xD
If you like a 5 liter, I suggest you test drive a Naturally Aspirated 6.4 liter, 485 HP Dodge Hemi Challenger Scat Pack.
I love mine, it gets pretty good gas mileage with MDS, sounds awesome!
“Do you want a delay in steering,”. Hahaha. A “delay in braking...no that would be incredibly dangerous.”
Those 2 things dont have anything to do with delayed power just a bad example
@@andreasf3064
It's a fairly reasonable example
Sometimes you might need to rely on that power to save your life
What if you're about to get rear ended? With a huge turbo you may not get off the line fast enough
“This is America, I want it and I want it NOW!”
Wait at the McD drive thru ordering line to place order.
Wait to get to the pay window.
After paying, wait to get the food.
I think a little bit of turbo lag isn’t that bad.
It’s more of a preference some people like a long hard hitting power band.
@@andreasf3064 How is that a bad example? Having instant throttle response is as a big safety feature as a responsive brake.
After watching a few of these.....I'm convinced I should probably just take the bus. But honestly, my 2016 VW Jetta 1.4 tsi has virtually no lag . Quick for what it is.
Vw is how I learned to work on cars mine broke so much😂😂😂😂 so much my dad literally had no more time to help me fix it so I learned myself
Saying this half jokingly as a Honda fan:" Just get a vtec 4 cylinder and have the worst of both worlds"
Friend of mine and i were talking about exactly this the other day. We're both in the market for "new" cars. He favors forced induction cars where i prefer naturally aspirated car. We were looking at getting similar cars, 4WD, 5 speed manual, but he insisted i must get a forced induction car. I just couldn't bring my self to go to a Turbo car, I'd rather a super charger if i must get forced induction. He still insists Turbo's are the way to go, but man i just can't freakin stand them. Naturally Aspirated all the way, Supercharged if it must be Forced Induction. but alas I have next to no influence with the car industry.
Depends on the size of the engine. Love my 6.2 liter in my Denali, Love my 3.0 Porsche twin turbo....... 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. Porsche.....
Nice to know .. what about 5 reasons not to buy natural aspirated
Dont think so
Wait until he's given a turbo car to advertise
He will, he always does when he does this style video. Most likely the next week or two.
there is likely no reason not to buy a NA car
There aren't any.
i still think its cool that a 2L 4 cylinder AWD turbo car can be just as fast as some V8s,
But when you turbo charge a v8 it’s even faster
*Whispers* Audi A3 😉
@@jaysullivan8350 not Audi A3 Audi rs3
@@alexk3469 nah, the RS3 comes with a 5 cylinder. The S and A’s come with 4
@@alexk3469 but trust me, the A3 is a really good performer for a basic car🤷🏾♂️
I like my 2.7 turbo in my ford pickup, good power, good economy and proven reliability. You didn't mention the larger pumping losses in a larger engine.
My personal experience with turbocharged cars is that the gaskets, belts, hoses, and plastics degrade more quickly, the breather/PCV systems are very complex, and oil consumption is very high.
And even at 3k oil change intervals I see black oil coming out. Not ideal.
@@realtruenorth Yep, my wife's GTI drains pitch black every oil change.
@@confidentlocal8600 yep
Intercoolers really solve the knock problem. Its not that much of an argument in my opinion.
It still is, a turbo is a ristriction in the exhaust meaning you'd still get higher temperatures at the exhaust valves.
There is a reason mazda has to drop compression in their only turbo engine.
@@1barnet1 Because there is more effective compression, with forced induction. Not because the exhaust valves are hotter.
“And finally, point numbe-OH OH OH OH REEIIILEEEEEEY”
Never been fond of turbo on a daily driver, and that's all I can afford daily driver, highly educational I am a big fan thank you.
475 horsepower, 0-60 in under 4 seconds.... so not crazy fast.
What a time to be alive
Those roads and scenery are AMAZING!
The Place Beyond the Pines
Naturally aspirated engines are good if they have enough displacement (V8 or more), but for the regular low displacement engines, well they are really bad. No torque no power, you have to rev it to the infinity and then some just to obtain a mediocre performance. And about the sound, you obviously haven’t heard the Pagani Huayra. And about waiting for the torque to come up from turbos, on the naturally aspirated engine you have to wait until it comes to the top rpms to get some and in most of the times it comes out with power boost too and then you have both to manage it’s like the turbo engine of the old. About the efficiency I’ll give you that one because you are correct when you talk about petrol engines but when you build a Diesel engine with the turbo in mind then you get a pretty nice result. Just to make a case I drive a small turbocharged diesel engine car with only 1.6 l displacement and only 120 hp of power and 300 Nm of torque and in a car that weighs 1400 kg(do your own conversions). And I can travel on the highway comfortably in the 6th gear well over the speed limit and with plenty of reserve for an emergency overtake. Meanwhile I consume less than 6 l of diesel per 100 km. And you can hear the engine barely. Okay?
Huh? Some good V6s out there.
Stop with your logic
May I offer a better solution: the Supercharger
Or procharger but supercharger sound better
You took words from my mouth, i totally agree.
Why not both? 😂
@@hereb4theend because turbo ruins engine sounds 😉
@@hereb4theend there wouldn't be enough room
Thank you for adding the grammar correction! We Grammer nerds always appreciate that.
As James Humphrey would say " Lightning Lightning Lightning"
Just keep climbing and see what happens.
My Country, MÉXICO, almost all of it is surrounded by two Sierras (Mountainous Chains, also called). For leaving México City, you have to climb Hill & Mountain roads in between 8,500 to 9,500 feet.
Then You see the Turbocharged vehicles "waving goodbyes" to Normal Aspirated ones.
You are correct, sir! Forced air induction ftw!
Even at 5000ft, I can feel my old NA engine lagging. I’ll put the pedal to metal and it’ll feel like I’m barely pushing.
@@TheSingleTrucker Thank You, sir.
@@404nobrakes Right sir. Mexico City is at 7,340 ft. elevation. We non-turbocharged drivers start climbing with a detriment of a 22% less power (following the old rule of thumb of -10% power for every 1,000 meters (3280 ft.) of elevation (7,340 / 328= 22.4% ("a la Jason style" Hahaha!)) Thank You, Sir.
Not a fan of turbos simply because of the lag, complexity, and reliability issues. I'll take a bigger engine and fuel bill any day.
With an overdrive transmission my 'ol Mustang would probably get 25MPG on the highway (with no engine mods whatsoever and with the original engine).
Roger Hinman turbo lag isn’t that bad anymore thanks billet compressor and turbine wheels, increased exhaust gas speed and layout, the bearings used and the such, they’re not really that complicated and they’re pretty reliable, my 01’ Audi S4 has never had the turbos maintained or replaced in almost 200k miles, and that’s almost 2 decades old, they’re honestly pretty efficient, not really complicated and they don’t really break unless you beat the piss out of them and even then you can beat on them but take care of them with proper heating and cooling cycles and change your oil.
Most Turbo vehicles are gas guzzlers too.
@@PanameraTurboSEHybrid When most people get a turbo car they always floor it so worse gas milage overall.
Roger Hinman wake up mate. All commercial vehicles and heavy machinery are turbo for efficiency and reliability. Turbo trucks typically go 1M kms between rebuilds. All 2019 turbo cars have 11:1 compression ratio hence great low rpm throttle response. I have a factory 4L turbo Barra, and the torque @ 2000rpm is amazing.
You should have more subscribers. You're a genius (duh!). I may not be a subscriber, but I do watch your videos from time to time. Each time I do....you're spot on. This video proves your point.
Love todays turbos, as far as throttle response, that's what the eco/sport/normal button is for. Turbo lag these days is very minimal, it's more like .5 secs later. And your torque curve depends on how big a turbo you are running. I had 3 turbos in the 90's, and one now, I'll take the turbo. And can also plug a chip giving me 48hp more, but I won't due to voiding my warranty. Your oil issue is a non issue, I talked to the manufacturer of my vehicle about the 3min warmup/cooldown I used to have to do in the 90's, they stated not really necessary as the oil lines are smaller pushing oil through faster. Only poor maintenance kills a turbo, and guess what, it kill any motor. Sound? I don't want anyone to hear me speeding.
That's encouraging
0.5s is still noticable lag
@@alsa4real that’s only if you floor it out of nowhere
Nope as a technician myself, I see turbo gas engines with oil changes done right at 3k miles and the oil comes out black. My oil on a NA engine at 3k miles still comes out amber. What do you think all that abrasive burnt carbon in the oil does to engine tolerances? Not to mention the heat. You burn the candle at both ends, it burns out faster.
@@alsa4real Agreed--very slow compared to my old NA Mazda that responded instantly.
Well now, just hold on a sec.
Reality check, please.
This talk of "delay" is really an issue of the past.
In the Fords I drive, there is no lag. And I read many reviews of newer turbos that have none as well.
PLUS this initial torque is down low where EVERYDAY DRIVER has use for it.
Come on, really, when do MOST drivers EVER see their engines running at high RPMs!?
Never, really.
We need it from red lights and up ramps. Never at top of the limits like these reviewers rant about.
Silly.
Other than the cooling and temp issues which are addressed with modern synthetic oils and proper maintenance...the NA engine is just lagging.
I can’t imagine how slow my MINI would be if it had no turbo! 🙁
I can pretty easily think of 5 reasons to buy a turbo car. Vdub has it sorted out well.
How to solve throttle response and torque curve issues on a turbocharged engine? Throw a supercharger at it.
Still not as responsive
Positive displacement superchargers don't lack response.
Yes, but they lack boost.
As soon as you get to full boost, you’re at redline.
You can have a turbo producing full boost-and higher boost-at as little as 1500 RPM and hold it until a 7000 RPM redline.
And with a BOV and quick gear changes it’s already mostly spooled for the next pull.
If Top Fuel allowed turbos they’d be doing 500 foot passes.
@@Bartonovich52 Have you watched drag strip cars which have turbochargers? They have to spool the turbo before launching. Otherwise they'd fall on their face. On the other hand, drag strip cars with a big twin-screw or roots-style supercharger nail the throttle and it's cranking out positive pressure instantly and quite a lot of it.
I.e. increase complexity...sounds not clever to me.
Turbos are great when you're cutting into another lane. You cut someone off but instead of accelerating into space, with the delay you make them hit their brakes, and just as they start getting mad you take off. Combine throttle by wire, turbos, and an automatic transmission hunting for gears, the look on other people's face is priceless.
Looks like your username was made specifically for this comment.
So the most recent car you've driven was built in 1992 or something?
Sérgio Alves 2015 Ford Escape (turbo), 2017 Nissan Altima, 2018 Kia Soul. At least the Soul has a sport mode which seems to reduce the delay with kick down when maneuvering in city driving.
@@zipskippy433 They must all have some really shitty automatics because you can't tell me with a straight face that those cars have such bad turbo lag that you nearly crash into people in traffic.
Or maybe you just can't drive the cars properly, you don't floor the throttle in 6th gear at 1200rpm on a small turbocharged engine.
Do you americans realize that that in Europe like half the cars on the road are turbocharged? An no people don't crash them because of the turbo lag, and yes they do last hundreds of thousands of miles too.
@@zipskippy433 You're exactly the guy I like to have fun in with my Nitrous car :) Good luck with your so called driving style. Sounds to me that you'll be the one getting mad. LOLOLOL
My 2009 Volvo C70 with a 2.5 liter 5 cyl turbo with variable valve timing. It produces max torque at 1500 to about 4800. It pulls great off the line too.
The auto makers know that MOST of the time the driver will spend of the time from idle to about mid rpm range. Engines with low to mid range torque are the best for street use. But in a drag race ( not often used) the high rpm hp and torque are best.
My 2015 Volvo S60 T5 has no turbo lag. It makes peak torque of 260 lb-ft by 1500 RPM and keeps it all the way up the range. The exhaust headers (yes, steel headers) and turbine housing are the same piece and manufactured as part of the turbo.. it placed right next to the head. It has dual inlet channels from the headers. The engine is direct injected. It spins up instantly. As far as longevity...my last Volvo s40 T4 was running fine at 250,000 miles when I sold it as well as my Saab 9-3 ARC at 250,000 miles when I sold it.
Jeremy Clarkson once showed the difference between NA and turbo lag on _Top Gear_ by racing a minivan against a Mitsu Evo FQ400. Both were in 6 gear at a matching speed, and both floored it. The minivan pulled away whilst Jeremy was sitting there waiting for the turbo to spool.
Yeah you take the worst car in history as an example, also Jeremy always exagurates on everything.
Just floor it and press the brake for a couple of seconds then release the brake at race start
WTF floors it in 6th gear lol, absolutely ridiculous.
That's not lag, that's boost threshold. The Evo is obviously losing to a short geared minivan if it is before it even has a third of its torque in a gear that gets it to the much higher top speed
That's why, for gasoline engines, a supercharger is better. No lag.
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While I don't have a turbo, "taking away noise to do something useful" is a pretty weak "disadvantage"
Exactly
Depends on if you see it as useful or not. I see it as adding pressure to the engine which shortens life span. If your one to get a new car every few years that's likely ok but I keep mine 20 or more years. My oldest is a 2003 with 236,000 miles and still going strong with nothing but routine maintenance.
@@strtngfrsh manufacturers get rid of that attitude. They need more money, so they want to sell more cars and faster, because they need the money for "development", therefore they make the cars worse. Interesting, back in the 80s for example they didn't need that much money...
@Frances Hill If you are gonna give up that much performance(Especially in diesel cars) for sound, you can go and listen to youtube videos. A good na v8 definently sounds good but I would rather take a straight 5 diesel tdi if I had to choose.
Why cant you just say i dont like small turbocharged engines. I prefer large naturally aspirated engines.
Thats basically whats happening here. You have a conclusion and are telling people why its right.
I agree with all but point 5, I put one on a RB26, instant happiness 💯👏🏿 reliability is a *MASSIVE* factor for me, I want the car (especially if its one of my favorites) to last as long as possible, and if its boosted, then the longevity is reduced.
That's why you go supercharged!!!
I love my supercharged e46 as it keeps the feel of naturally aspirated but feels like a big v8 underneath the bonnet.
@E46_supercharged
nice physics, automotive engineering lesson - a (multiple) sesh comparing efficiency, output, fuel economy, lag, reliability between an s-max (or ford ecoboost engines ), bmw twin-turbs, volvo LPTs, nissan 1L turbocharged would be interesting, regardless of apples, oranges, melons comparisons :D
Been buying Saab turbos since before turbos were cool. Can't replace all that low end torque unless you really upside the engine which equals more weight and fuel consumption even if you're not stepping into it.
10:51 as he's talking about the brakes, anyone else see all those cracks in the rotor around the outside edges?
It almost tore my eyes out...
They are not cracks, but ceramic markings or the texture of the rotors