The Paradox of Masculinity
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2022
- I’m fascinated by the modern day notion of masculinity - a much more fragile concept than we may acknowledge at first glance or passing thought.
Masculinity is often presented as an imperative, a badge to be continuously earned through actions, rituals, and ongoing duties. As the definition and associated expectations of masculinity have changed dramatically in the last several decades, we are left in a nebulous state when ascertaining exactly what masculinity means in modern society.
We typically think of the masculine identity as a position of power, but is that the lived experience? In my office, I am often presented with men who feel powerless or those who feel lost in how to present masculinity in a safe, respectful way. Understanding both the intrinsic privilege and the vulnerability of the masculine experience gives us a more balanced viewpoint.
Let’s have a conversation - what is your perception of modern masculinity? Whether you are living that experience as a predominant identity, or observing from another vantage point.
Men who feel secure in their masculinity are so gentle with women. Men who are insecure feel they need to be in the power position to reassure themselves. I didn’t understand that until this year.
honestly i don't think this is generally true. Theres a lot of masculine men that are gentle with their woman, but i also think its the very opposite when you have an extremely masculine man.
yep that's why the feminist are upset. they are being lied to by academia cuz corporations. and they blame men. the paradox continues.
@M G this is so true! I learned this from my boyfriend. He is one the most masculine men i have ever met in my life and he is also so gentle and kind to me that i have vener experienced such a combination.
Ahh yes because being decent, kind with everyone isn't gonna cut it. Only if you're gentle with woman you're man secure in masculinity. Gentle with woman >> Being a decent human being.
some men think asserting dominance over women makes them manlier
Everytime masculinity is brought up, I can't help to sigh and think, "OK, what have we done this time and what do we have to do now to be propper men." Thank you Esther that this was different.
Sorry it's come to that for our men. I think we need to do everything we can to preserve & respect masculinity without fear of losing the respect we need as women in our femininity. The genders need to work on understanding our own true nature so that we stop resenting each other for not being what we were never meant to be.
Take revenge! When Women shame masculinity, you start shaming Femininity.
Sometimes revenge is necessary.
Hey im a man and ik what giving birth feels like cuz im tarded and speak on things i have no clue about so all u BEES STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CHILD BIRTH!
@@teralynl4285 thats a truly feminist way to put it but yes i agree! Men and women need to UNDERSTAND each other weaknesses and strengths
the fuck y'all talking about?
a man is a man, a woman is a woman, period.
fuck this modern day bullshit, if you're a man then be a man, stop caring so much and just bring it back to how simple everything was.
people nowadays identifying as dogs or animals or whatever the fuck, hate me all you want but i know what i feel is right.
man = man
woman = woman
done.
Esther!!!!Your presence in this world makes a huge difference! Thank you so much and please know that you are loved!
If I had opportunity to seat down and talk with anyone in the world, it would be you, Esther. I admire your thoughtful perspective, analysis capacity and eloquent delivery. Plus, you're good looking too.
I grew up in a matriarchate. Mother dominant, aggressive and often rude. Father complacent, passive, and often submissive. I learned about the macho culture until college through friends. To me, current masculinity is expressed somewhere among arrogance, lack of manners and respect for women. Modern masculinity, however, is expressed as a pragmatism, logical traits, respect (self and to anyone else), and courage to fail and admit it. The paradox, I believe, is when women interpret that as weakness and exclude them. Happens to me way too often.
Hi Victor, I am touched by your nuanced response. I wanted to reach out to you and say that.
I’m a woman who has been hurt by both toxic masculinity and toxic femininity, and I see and have been at the receiving end of the pain caused by both. It is my endeavour to find a way to develop myself so I can be a match to healthy men grounded in their own masculinity, that compliments my femininity. I’m happy to say I now have two men like that in my life - and it is a joyous and life affirming thing to experience being held and contained (but not oppressed or controlled) by grounded loving men as I go through a period of deep challenges.
I would not be here without them.
I just wanted to say - not all women see what you have outlined as weakness. I see your viewpoint as refreshingly balanced (not saying you will not develop it further, IMO we are all evolving over the course of our lives). I think you may find that while there are women who see that as weakness,there will be others who are working on their own healing that will resonate with that.
I agree with you -Esther has been a source of great wisdom and insight during the last two years for me as well. I too wish I could sit and speak with her!
I wish you well Victor. Sending you a wave hello from India 🙏🏼🌈
I hope this gives you some
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The last sentence was - I hope this gives you some hope.
Are women interpreting it as weakness and excluding because of that or is that what you have concluded or possibly are projecting? Maybe there is another reason.. Otherwise if you are all these things, and they are excluding you because of that, then they're not for you.
Have you overcome the identity of your mother that she put in you when she imposed her will on you as a child?
That's a bit mixed up, but still you can learn from your parents' example, also even if there's a fair amount of negativity in all that. I wonder, same as a person above me, how successful have you been at that? Your comment seems mature, and on the right track, but anyway - have you managed to sort out the relationship with your parents, especially mother?
I'd like to thank you Esther. Your videos on relationships helped me get through a really tough breakup when I felt like my whole world was crashing down. I had lost a sense of control and stability in my life, but studying your insights on relationships helped me to take back control and understand what I need from my next relationship, which comforts me greatly.
You are quite possibly one of the brightest minds to have ever spoken about men, and women, and the relationships we form. Thank you for your thoughts on masculinity. This is the first time I have heard a woman speak so eloquently and authoritatively on a subject that I have no choice but to continually try to understand by virtue of my gender and desire to be a force in the world. Knowing that someone like you exists gives me hope and makes me glad to be.
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Real men have confidence in their masculinity and aren't self serving, but rather are focused on being the leader God intended them to be as they are others focused and want to see only the best qualities of high character in those whom God has entrusted in their care.
There’s no such thing as toxic masculinity.
A man who is masculine isn’t toxic. It’s a men with no virtues that are.
Esther, this is a conversation that really needs to be had and I’m so glad you’re acknowledging it. I have intimate conversations with the men in my life about these pressures in their life and it’s amazing what a simple acknowledgement can do.
This to me feels like healing
Thank you, Esther, for being a voice of reason in this crazy world. I have been learning, and continue to learn so much from you! ❤️
Esther… Your Knowledge, and Insights are incredibly priceless to say the least! The way you convey and articulate is a Gift to all. This- that you just shared above, is Valuable to understand is key, this is interesting and allows women to hold more compassion for what men go through too, their pressures burdens and thoughts, in which you just expressed….they’re human beings too that have different struggles then women.
We are never done learning, as long as we are here, it’s a journey, people like you make it more helpful 😊
Esther your time you give to us freely and wisdom is appreciated, absolutely Grateful-thank you🌷🌷🌷
The masculinity paradigms have shifted and you have eloquently reflected on what is happening with what it means to "being a man" now.
"Man up" and "be a man" are still ingrained, not only in men, but also in woman.
Glad you are inviting us to reflect on this topic.
Good, a lot of men love masculinity. Aspiring to strength, courage, mastery, and honour with your male friends is a great and spiritual experience. Most men have inclinations towards these virtues, they just find it difficult to achieve, but it wouldn't be valuable if it was easy. It hasn't really shifted, just a bunch of weak males and feminists trying to brainwash men into being semi-subservient weaklings.
We need to hear this more and more. It's ok to be gentle and strong, with women and men. We can't change the innate code from thousands and thousands of years in a matter of just a few years. Women and men are rewriting hard wiring in us to be better. Esther gives us the courage to have these conversations.
I just met this amazing lady through instagram reels and i am watching all her youtube videos in a row. I am in love about her capacity of talking about extremely important topics that are often seen as taboos such as relationships, sex, desire, etc. We need you, Esther.
Much love from Portugal
From Portugal! :)
Brilliant as always. I love that you always seek to understand instead of accusing and blaming. You are a treasure.
I so appreciate your perspective and insights on the ever-evolving and often insendiary topic of masculinity, Esther. You tell it straight in this crazy woke world we find ourselves in. As a coach for men, I find your take on the subject refreshing and valuable. Thank you.
Hello Esther, your knowledge and perspective given to us is a blessing. I’ve been following you for a while and I’m grateful every single day for your presence in this world. This topic hits home. Thank you! Lots of love to you from india.
God its losers like u perpetuating this tarded logic,
IM A MAN AND IK WHAT GIVING BIRTH FEELS LIKE AND ITS NOT THAT BAD... IDK Y ALL U B'S COMPLAIN ABOUT IT...
IF U WANNA LEARN ABOUT "MASCULINITY" TALK TO A MAN LOSER
Wow! as a society there is so much to learn!. I love that you go outside the box, to give common words a new perspective, and make all of us go like: It's so true! THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge Esther.
we don’t recognize or respect the struggle of men…well said.
Wow - I’ve been guilty of those very thoughts. Glad to hear I can choose to change my thoughts. Thank you for a different perspective.
You are Fantastic Esther, i have yet to listen to any body that comes close to your abiltity in discussing these topics. You give so much food for thought, thank you for sharing.
OMG Esther - please keep talking about this more. We need more people discussing this very topic because most dismiss it and/or minimize it. "What makes a man a man?" is a question that most don't ask, many men fear, NOBODY talks about and is unfortunately the cause of so many fights and bad behaviors because men think "If I was a man I'd stick up for myself, my wife or gf or whatever" and the men never look at the deeper issues going on. Women also never think about this and/or have ridiculously silly notions about what makes a man. It starts from very young also. My ex-nephew-in-law (Husband of my niece) had this to say about his 2 yr old baby boy after I said "He's a great kid" he said "Yeah well he's got a little p*ssy in him still. That comes from his mother but don't worry, I'll make sure to man him up soon enough." and immediately my heart went out to my great-nephew because I knew he was in for a difficult upbringing. That was about 5 years ago and he's a very sweet boy and his dad and mom have now divorced. It's a struggle for real and all boys go through some version of this.....some are WAY worse than I describe.
I just love the way this woman helps us all. Thank you Esther.
Thank you for the acknowledgment and understanding. It says so much about the possibilities that exist for us all.
YES. This is the nuance we need!!
Thank you for keeping this conversation empathetic and not falling for the usual ridiculing.
What usual ridiculing? That doesn’t happen lol. Certainly can’t say I’ve ever experienced that or ever saw that.
Mmm I love this, and have been working with this discovery for quite sometime in my own journey.
What eventually came to me is this: Certainty is a masculine quality. When I think of Certainty its interchangeable with confidence that know that comes from mastering a skill through repetition.
When Certainty goes beyond the mastery of a skill to the deep knowingness of self, then a true authentic Certainty of self is born.
The deeper, more open and honest, courageous and vulnerable I get to know myself the more certain I become of myself.
Out of which is born true self worth, freedom of self, presence, self trust, self belief Certainty. The courage to be vulnerable a midst the storm.
It is this strength that keeps me grounded standing strong and in my power, my heart my strength my grace my love.
So then all adventure, challenge is the journey to the mastery of self, to the growth of my own masculinity.
It's not a given, for our univers is a place of growth, rather than a place of absolutes.
I'd love to take this conversation further!
The trouble with the modern age is that women are now encouraged to be strong and fearless, which was once the domain of men. Yet rarely if ever are men actively encouraged to be the same. A compromise needs to be reached somewhere or the long term consequences could be terrible.
Being challenged (non-lethally) is not a bad thing in nature, as long as the subject acts to prevail (dandelions v/s orchids). To me, masculinity is correlated to a sense of duty, loyalty, grit and honor, not only to whose shoulders I am standing on but also to my aspirations, dreams and concrete goals. If it is important to me, I will make it happen. It is something that I look forward to every single day and pray that I will never cease my actions to prevail.
Based on what you've said, i think you might enjoy an audiobook called 'The Way of Men' by Jack Donovan. He has a great understanding of masculinity in my opinion and it seems like you would like what he has to say.
@@voltaicburst4279 thanks for the suggestion.
Being challenged by other males in nature and failing is a very, very bad thing. It costs you status and the ability to mate, unless you're a pretty boy, then it just costs you status.
Wonderful topic. I would like to hear more content on this and the gender codes in modern times
Liz I love you! And Jamey and Justin, thanks for your willingness to do the work, valueing and respecting women, acknowledging the toxicity of patriarchy and sharing your journey with others
So true. As being a man you constantly feel this pressure from society. And the worst part - you are alone, you are one on one with this, you have no one to share this concerns and this struggle, because it still, unofficially, socially unacceptable for men to complain or to share their feelings or fears.
Yes you feel alone, but I think that is more about men not wanting to reveal any weaknesses to other men, or to women - in case that weakness be exploited (by other men) or rejected (by women)
@@russellpizel3750 You may be willing to reveal it, but as an experience shows - people do not accept it.
Wrong. Men always had their tribe and i have my mates that help me through as i help them. When you have friends and you seek your potential with them, it not only becomes much easier but also becomes spiritually fulfilling. As a man you should assess other men by their actions, not words like "i'm here for you". My friends have proven they are there for me so i don't need to hear it in words.
Once again, with a very refreshing and important perspective ❤️
Esther your wonderful !!! You give such great perspectives into everything!!! I adore you!!!!
This was interesting, thank you!
Also, your bracelet is amazeballs 🧡
From one Esther P to another, thank you for helping us understand our fellow humans!!!
I love everything about Esther 😊!
In general, masculinity IS a given (nature not nurture). That much is obvious. Furthermore, it is a masculine trait to compete with other men and call them out or question them in an effort to diminish the competition.
My friends and I just agreed that "masculine" and "macho" are often blurred
Exactly. All those men who have sexually assaulted women are blinded by the idea to "get as many partners as possible" aka be a matcho. They have created too much pain and now hate towards men only grows. Also male hormone testosterone makes men more violent.
Biology is doing a reset and adjustifying men so they don't want to harm others. And respect women.
@𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁𝘀𝗔𝗽𝗽 𝗵𝗶h +𝟮𝟯𝟰𝟴𝟬𝟯𝟵𝟴𝟲𝟳𝟯𝟵𝟵 thank you,but no, still thank you tho
Absolutely, thank you for bringing this forward.
You omitted a key word. Earned. I felt that I had no right to call myself a man for many years. It had to be earned. Until I had a good income, a wife, kids and a home and was successful, I felt I had not earned the title of man. And this is a key point. Women are attracted to men they respect. To earn respect, a man must be responsible. Yes, it’s exceedingly tough at times because life tests our resolve with many challenges. It’s too easy to look at a man who has earned respect by taking on responsibilities and challenges and say he has privilege because he is male. It’s not true though. Yet a man takes the criticism on the chin as one more part of the role of manhood.
I love your conversations flow! I love the part as ritual of transition! Anthropologically speaking !
Phenomenal, thank you for sharing this.
We are dangerous when we are not conscious of our responsibility for how we behave, think, and feel”.
Marshall B. Rosenberg.
I think it is more various, things are changing in different ways in different places at different rates. I think mostly, with work, we can set aside the anxieties that promote lack of listening and subsequent conflict. There is a good deal of common ground in people wanting to be heard, being able to love and listen.
As a female surgeon that has been single for a long time the volatility of the male identity and fragility of the masculine, is something I dread. It’s really hard to find a man that has a solid and kind view of himself, that doesn’t get scared away by my salary or profession. I try to be vulnerable, but so many men feel they must be the breadwinner in the family to not hate themselves and take it out on both of us:(
I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm the primary breadwinner and that's true of quite a few of my female colleagues. I hope you're able to join us in finding someone who loves you for you and isn't intimidated by your job!
Date the directors or fellow surgeons or get a matchmaker.
Be honest with yourself. Isn't the issue more that you dont really get turned on by men that earn less money or social recognition than you ?
I see so many female doctors on dating app, struggling like you.
You are on top of the "food chain", you need to accept to date "down" as they say.
Find a man “above” you who isn’t insecure. A man earning less will soon resent you and seek validation from poorer women
Please don't make men's issues about yourself. Men are constantly battling with unattainable masculine ideals dictated to them by decades of societal indoctrination, and your complaint to this is that you can't find a date? I sympathise with your frustration, but this is very inappropriate. Imagine if, in a discussion about how societal norms on female standards of beauty promote body image issues in young women, some guy said: "Yeah, all women I meet want to be skinny, and it's hard for me, because I actually prefer women with big asses."
I seriously agree with this point of view, I think society needs to protect masculinity, because masculinity cannot be ignored, and an important element that determines the necessary conditions for a balanced social structure. My male friends are really worried about talking about masculinity because they are afraid of being judged as not masculine enough, but all they need is a simple understanding, they regain their confidence and they won't do things that hurt society The thing, when men really embrace and feel confident in their masculinity, the balance of society is back. This is something women can't do, and it's something women can help men do.
🙏 for bringing up this conversation. Time is ripe to be done with demanding “masculinity” or “femininity” and simply ask people for accountability.
I love this woman so much!
Thank you Esther!
When a woman tells you about men
This was interesting! Thanks for sharing, Esther!
A breath of fresh air ❤ Thank You!
Je suis d’accord avec cette approche (qui est liée à la façon de voir de Alice Miller, non?), et toute mon expérience me confirme que c’est exact.
Je trouve que la même analyse vaut pour la (soi disant) féminité, et que se libérer de toutes ces injonctions et simplement vivre/exprimer sa féminité à soi est une véritable renaissance, qui rend plus pacifique envers soi, donc envers les autres aussi.
Épanouissons ce monde. Pacifions ce monde. ✌🏼
Masculinity is not self evident in anyone. That's why one has to work to show it. Any one can stand still and wait to be rescued, but you have to move to rescue someone. Many women lose interest in their husbands when they lose their productivity (their income). Many men see that they are only valuable to society, and family, if they can provide, protect, be independent. And no masculine inclined men has ever complained about this burden, only of the lack of recognition or the obligation to provide to someone they don't want (like ex wives).
I could just listen to you all day...
❤️🎶🌴
God bless you for saying this.
I don’t disagree with Esther, I like her insight and her caring.
But one thing that obscures the male psyche is the fact that we don’t vocalise as much as women do, therefore the evidential trail is narrow.
But it’s there, I get great joy out of mens insights, partly because they hold their truths so dearly.
When Men have to be relentless in pursuit of the ever moving goalposts of “good man”, and typically women and what you can do for your kids decide how much of a man you are… there seems to be something off. The hottest fire to burn a bridge it takes a man’s ability to do well in life for himself and his family.When I have to take my own kids to work, so that my wife can go to her job, and make less than 1/3 of the money I make, and If I don’t do it, I am perceived as a “lesser of a man”.
So many thanks! On my side I'm wondering about this identity since more than 30 years... (in particular a book from french E. Badinter was very interesting about it).
What I witness is that now, even in circles where there's focus on healing, growing, there is still some pressure for man role -from men, but can also be expectations from women: men need to heal for the collective healing and healing between men and women, but men have to stay almost all of time strong, protective and so on... Where's the place/space for vulnerability and taking time for healing? Even for women who worked on healing, I still faced judgments/expectations that I was too "feminine" with my sensitivity.
An ideal has been replaced by another ideal. Ok, it's much better without domination, but the transition cannot be done if men are already expected to have mature to this "ideal", and anyway it's just some direction in which we want to heal...
The place/space for vulnerability and healing is in men‘s circles.
Great video! Thanks for talking about men's mental health.
This is so great, thank you.
So interesting. Cool perspective.
Oh you ate this one up Esther, YES MAAM! You were preaching to the choir
Absolutely right, Esther. Being a "man" doesn't always express authenticity even masculine authenticity. "Systemic" is the word here and I have felt that I am in cultural imprisonment for most of my life.
Male identity is driven by the system, but at it's core, by the underlying truth that women are the future.
Because women are much more important than men at ensuring that any man can be when it comes to ensuring the survival of the species, men have historically went above and beyond to protect them (natural attributes helping to do so).
Now that we live in a society where this patriarcal protectiveness is an obsolete principle, men struggle as the models are none existant in modern days while historical models of masculinity are everywhere in our cultures.
This is a transition phase as our society shifts aways from brute violence (hopefully).
I wish someday I could meet you. You inspire many people including me.
Thank you 🕊
Good stuff. 🧡
Men's identities are formed, for a large part, in the competition in the various hierarchies they are a part of. In that sense their masculinity is never "complete", until perhaps they reach the top of the hierarchy they are competing in. And because the top positions are few, the struggle is constant for most men.
You are such an Iconic beautiful person, thank you xo
How we define ourselves reflects how aware we are of our soul
So well put!!
Masculinity is creation. Femininity is preservation. Together they create the present, future and past. Detachment is the key to establish and sustain both.
Tip of the iceberg but thank you Esther. I recommend everyone watch the TH-cam video Suzanne venker on the crisis of masculinity to find out what the issues men are faced with and why it will doom the future of the western world if we don’t have strong, healthy and emotionally intelligent men.
Maintaining order (masculine/culture), and overcoming the natural effects of entropy and the descent back to chaos (feminine/nature), takes work. The building of masculinity/culture takes continual work and renewal, and needs to be tempered by the feminine. At the moment femininity is being unrestrained and it will discover that the prison it thought it was tearing down, was actually its sanctuary.
Thank-you, spot on!
Commerce creates artificial ideas of what men should or should not be and sells the means to achieving those ideas that really have little to do with developing into a mature functioning man. Sports and Hollywood imagery are often presented as that which men should strive. Men are pressured by the sell the same as women to achieve the defining aesthetic that is commerce contrived.
“Vulnerability as intrinsically part of the making of male identity”-I’ve never seen this idea expressed, at least not this clearly.
The first rule of masculinity is that you do not talk about masculinity. A lot of men’s discussions don’t question the pressures of male culture; it’s more often about what went wrong with everything else.
But I do think fragility is at the core of it, personally, philosophically, and maybe even at some natural level (in animal kingdom, Human fatherhood for instance is closer to being an anomaly than a rule)
Quite simply bang on!
Thank you!!!
Brilliant insight.
Especially when it comes to bisexuality or just cis-het masculinity. If only men could feel more comfortable celebrating the beauty of other men in the same way that women are allowed to say “girl, you are so hot”
Never happen. Both genders are raised on tits. We all like 'em.
You are part of the problem. Celebrating beauty/attractiveness does not mean you are attracted to someone or expect something*, it just means that you acknowledge the good traits that other people have. In terms of why you would want to do it, perhaps because men in general get far fewer compliments then women do, and it would help with confidence, as well as to help men feel appreciated when they do look good/are doing good things/have good character traits. Compliments do not need to have any romantic or sexual purpose, they are just an appreciative observation you gift to another person. They are for the good of the other, not you.
*If you think compliments are for people you're attracted to only, you are literally the reason some women shirk compliments or avoid dressing in ways that might get attention or avoid men in certain situations in general: because you assume they want attention, or that they owe you something for the compliment they didn't even ask for. Compliments should not be used in a way where you expect something from someone, even a phone number. Compliments are purely for the other person, not a tool for your personal gain.
It's a good mindset to have anyway to look for things you like in the people and world around you. It is nice to live in a mindscape where I can appreciate the colors someone is wearing, or their cheekbones, or their hair, or their laugh. Life is stripped of magic when you don't notice the small things, and personally, I like making other people feel good: they glow, and that makes the world all the more beautiful.
They do, If you go to a gym and work out with your friends as a guy, you are likely to get complimented on your gains, or if it's a boxing gym, you'll be complimented on your skills. So it's even better than female compliments actually, because you earn it, they don't just say it, guys don't care about looking fuckable in the eyes of another guy, they like looking "cool" or "dangerous".
Speaking from my own perspective, I think there are some errors of thinking here. You are correct to assert many cultures view manhood as 'right of passage', however, that doesn't make it illusive, mysterious, fragile, or susceptible to loss. Most 'rites of passage' are a guided process - administered from man to boy, from father to son. It conveys something seemingly intangible and spiritual - and yet, something known to oneself when one has it.
You see, women are essentially different in one key respect. They have social utility by virtue of a bodily function - men do not. Women's fragility is known and appreciated - they exist within a circle of protection. The principal function of manhood is to provide that protection... Therefore, the social utility of manhood is an ACTIVE VIRTUE. It is ascribed based on WHAT YOU CAN DO - and that is why cultures view manhood as a 'rite of passage'. It is something attained through deeds of courage, skill, or effort. A demonstration of utility.
However, where your analysis falls short is in viewing this as something fragile, or susceptible to loss. Manhood, when demonstrated, is an inherent attribute of the man. He knows when he has it. It's not something subject to approval of others... The reason why the masculinity of men today would seem frail or fluid, is because THEY NEVER HAD IT TO BEGIN WITH. They never had it because THIS SOCIETY doesn't teach it. Doesn't value it. Doesn't condone it. Masculinity is an ACTIVE VIRTUE. Something passed from Man to Boy. From Father to Son. It's something learned by demonstration, and therefore, it takes a Man to teach it. Boys today don't learn manhood, because there aren't Men in their lives to teach them.
@Jojo Moa Women give birth.
@Jojo Moa Women's main social utility is attained simply by attainment of sexual maturity. Men have to achieve a higher degree of performance beyond that before they are valuable to society.
It's not that society doesn't teach it, it actively tries to supress it, calling masculinity toxic. And men do have natural inclinations to virtues, such as strength, courage, mastery, and honour. Most young men naturally gravitate to these virtues, older men just give them the framework to make sense of it all.
The fragility is the norm, not the exception
Agreed but don’t forget that at the same time they’re being told (especially lately) how any show of masculinity is toxic and bad and root of all evil. We are confusing them and will end up having generations of week men that all those women who now complain about are desperately going to miss.
Thank you.
Brilliantly said
What a fascinating subject, relational intelligence, Perel professes!
I do have to ask, only because it is so visible, what is the imprint on Ms. Esther's right arm?
Arnold had the measure, "Gurlyman". The species IS a fragile identity in this context. The h-g cultures living more traditionally than not ive been around dont have these problems whatsoever. The human ape living far from the now changed environment of evolutionary adaptedness does. Little wonder we're so profoundly ill.
You're a genius!
Masculinity has never been a given. A male doesn't become a man by aging. There are criteria beyond existing. Among the Lakota the four rules for men are bravery, fortitude, generosity, and compassion. In western societies there were ideas about working hard, facing fears, being honest, competence, and supporting your family and community. While the focus is on the powerful men in society, there is an underbelly of unsuccessful men who are thrown away by society. The unsuccessful men will be on the front line in war, homeless or in jail or taking out your garbage or standing outside Home Depot looking for work in peace. They will not have families, and they will not live long and happy lives. In terms of roles, the current trend in vilifying men is really a terrible idea. It is the weakest of the men that rape and murder and steal; if young men are given an ideal to live up to, then they will strive to embody that ideal, but if they are taught they are toxic garbage, many will accept that view and act the part assigned to them--to the great detriment of society. This was a good video with some thoughts that don't usually get discussed.
Thank You :)
Amen!
Wisdom in the body of a woman... Esther Perel
Well said.
Hello Esther. Can you do a video on creating friendships? I checked your videos and can't find any. Many thanks.
The rituals we should all experience as human beings is how to leave the left hemisphere of the brain more often and learn to sit comfortably in the right hemisphere; men's rituals in life should be about learning to surrender to the infinite potential of the brain right hemisphere; we don't get taught how to surrender as heterosexual males, there is little to make us forget ourselves (the false self - a conditioned identity that resides in the left hemisphere) and become one with others. Ultimately, it isnt a gender thing, it's that we have created a society in the reflection of the left hemisphere - Ian McGilchrist talks about this as creating a hall of mirrors - a system where if we seek the answers outside of ourselves we are reflected back a system with limited knowledge. The great transition in society will happen when we drop the idea of "masculine vs/and/or/feminine" (outwardly reflected now by the non-binary movement), and understand the differences of attention within the brain - from there we can start to drop into the mind-body connection and start making sense of things for ourselves - we step outside of the system and are then able to use it for our own advantage, it can only be used in service to others or the left is at play again. I don't know why I am writing this...but it seems to make some sort of intuitive sense as I do.... thanks Esther P....right, where is Alan Watts...
When I read your first sentence, I just knew that you were familiar with Dr Iain McGilchrist.
Thank you for this comment- it’s a human thing ❤️
(EYE JUST HERE TO MAKE EU THINK!) 1. A MAN NOT ONLY TENDS TO RELINQUISH HIS MASCULINE TRAITS WEN HE IS NOT FEELING CONFIDENT. HE OLLSO TENDS TO SLIP INTO THE SHADOW EXPRESSION OF HIS MASCULINE TRAITS WEN HE IS NOT CONFIDENT. FACTS OVA FEELINGS!
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