Am so overawed by the clarity of Prof. Agrawal's arguments, the vast spectrum of his knowledge, the fineness of his thoughts-arguements-logic, the underlying compassion of the heart which is so clearly reflected in whatever he says, that it leaves me absolutely speechless. Loved the Jahandari concept ...and the argument about Panth-Nirpekshata, the thought that "faith can be your personal matter but religion is not." ..... and that "culture cannot be allowed to violate the universal principles of justice and fairness." So many pearls of wisdom ... So much to assimilate and imbibe. 🌸🙏
We are so grateful for your enthusiasm Archna Ji! Prof Agrawal is at the centre of MM's conscience because of the reasons mentioned by you. If we might add to the list, there is also his constant exercise to test his principles. If they are challenged, he also is the first to acknowledge and accept them. Love Team MM
Very much intellectual clarity of thoughts...too insightful...need of the hour and should reach maximum young and old population of the country...can make similar short videos with answers of important questions in simple hindi which can be circulated on WhatsApp as people now a days want quick reads. Such moves needed which will then reduce or slowly replace harmful content on social media. Thank you again and wish a long and healthy life to the professor !!
Another dimension of historical accountability has to be seen in the context primeval and medieval practices of places of worship of vanquished was destroyed by the Victors. We are now living in modern age, where modern thought does not use violence to seek retribution for medieval grievances.
We all know what secularism means but despite that people tends to negate it and tend to polarise for getting sense of comfort.Does secularism fails to give people that sense of comfort or our educational process and society failed to inculcate the same ? Thank you
Dear Professor, The way you tried to explain Dharma by asking, Paani ka Dhram kya hai? In B.R. Chopra's Mahabharat (episode 93 at 10:53 min. Mahtma Vidur also tried to explain the Dhram to Dhritrastra. Please correct me out if we simply tried to define Dhrama as duties of a living being only instead using this word in plural sense. Regards, Dheeraj
As I said in this conversation, the connotation of a sense of duty follows from the basic connotation i.e inherent nature of anything or any being; both are related yet distinct.
For seventy five years all tom-dik and Harry abused ,insulted rediculed Hindu gods and goddesses. Purushottam Agarwal never sat on an interview to condemn it .No secular person condemn it. But as soon as an issue which is in their own scriptures was shown to them entire secular thugs stoodup in support of kannaya' s killers. Hindus should be beware of these these fake secular pandits and their sermons.
You have every right to be proud of your ignorance, I have been speaking and working against every brand of secularism for the last 35 years. Even here I am arguing that every religious group has to surrender " some of its insistences" and Muslims can not expect non-Muslims to believe in the idea of a final prophet or final book. .
Dear Mr. Rao, I am not known about others but myself used to read professor's articles, blogs, books etc at least since last 20 years and almost in every produce he use to argue with all type extremists and not only the current one. While reading him I myself found in NOT AGREE category for many of the statments but it's unfair to say that this the first time when Professor saying whatever is said in current conversation. Thanks a lot
He is vague and naive like dude how do you measure religiousity between Abraham and dharmic religion? You're just expecting majority community to surrender and become passive like ever before and follow secularism while others will follow their religion.
Please listen carefully and calmly, I am saying that EVERYONE may follow her/his faith system, but so far as a code of social conduct and practices is concerned, everyone has to surrender those parts of it, which are not in tune with values so far achieved by humanity as a whole. Democracy can not ignore culture and at the same time, it can not allow discriminatory practices of any cultural tradition.
The modern values of equality, justice, secularism etc have been debated vociferously across centuries. The various revolutions and struggles have given humanity these much cherished ideals and values that constitute modernity. An example would be the French Revolution that gave the concepts of liberty, equality, fraternity etc. Similarly, across history such cultural and political revolutions have been there such as the Renaissance,American & Russian revolutions,Commercial and Industrial Revolutions etc. All of these historical acts started the churn and gave impetus to debates around these values which we consider as the base of MODERNITY.These debates were REASONED and PROFOUND. They were not only discussed but also practiced by various states.The good and the bad was recognized progressively in the functioning of states working with these values. This is why SECULARISM was implicitly incorporated into the Indian Constitution by the Constitution makers even though India is a deeply religious country. Because such universal values are tried and tested and have been the basis of working of all successful nations. However as Professor Agrawal says, secularism too was modified to suit the needs of Indian social and cultural structure. A strict separation of state and religion /church was not suitable for India hence sarva dharma sambahava as a model was chosen. Here we maintain not equal distance from all religions (western concept) but of equal indulgence in all religions. Here too, we secure the key concept of secularism that is of non partisanship to any religion. Hence, in india, the state is not anti religious or irreligious, it seeks to treat all religions equally. So your concern is unfounded. All religions are equally treated in India and everyone is free to practice, propagate, and spread awareness and express their religiosity as a matter of fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. But there are reasonable restrictions and that is what professor Agrawal says. There has to be some parts of religion that has to be surrendered to be compatible to the modern state. These surrendered values are the regressive values of religions and are justifiably restricted by the state. These should not be seen as a transgression or curbing of religious freedom. Because in all matters of expression and celebration, state doesn't intervene. In fact in indian model, it indulges and facilitates such celebrations. But with the caveat that it indulges equally in all religions and also it reasonably restricts the regressive elements. @purushottam agrawal @Avi Bcci
Also these values of modernity aren't just west imported. As professor Agrawal has written in his seminal work Kabir, Kabir and other books, there has been "DESHAJ ADHUNIKTA" or indigenous modernity also. So it's not like modern values as such are something alien to indian civilisation. Professor Amartya sen and Professor Agrawal have also mentioned about Akbar and sulh-e -kul. Same goes with the Republican experiments as a method of governance in the Mahajanpada era. There are enough such examples to show that there were modern values and debates on India also. That they could assume the shape and size that could overhaul the traditional structure is a different matter.
@@vikasmahato9980 Thank you Vikas Ji, for upholding the spirit of this podcast. We are all open for discussion, provided it is the idea that is challenged and not the person. Ad Hominem attacks leave a sour taste in the mouth when we can all have the victory of successful conversation and engagement.
Sir agree, but when we as collective society come forward, it is difficult to have consensus on what is religious, what is culture, what is mix of both. To have these modern values define our social conduct is appreciated but isn't it highly ideal? What else is needed, do we need strong state for strong reinforcement of these constitutional values or we have to wait till society naturally becomes mature?
It was such a pleasure to talk with you , Mudra.
Don't fear, speak the truth. Every religion is nonsense and Islam is worst.
Thank you Professor!
The pleasure is all mine. :)
It is always pleasure to listen Prof Purushottam ji views on different issues.
Series is a great initiative 👍
Am so overawed by the clarity of Prof. Agrawal's arguments, the vast spectrum of his knowledge, the fineness of his thoughts-arguements-logic, the underlying compassion of the heart which is so clearly reflected in whatever he says, that it leaves me absolutely speechless.
Loved the Jahandari concept ...and the argument about Panth-Nirpekshata, the thought that "faith can be your personal matter but religion is not." ..... and that "culture cannot be allowed to violate the universal principles of justice and fairness."
So many pearls of wisdom ... So much to assimilate and imbibe.
🌸🙏
Thanks a lot
We are so grateful for your enthusiasm Archna Ji!
Prof Agrawal is at the centre of MM's conscience because of the reasons mentioned by you. If we might add to the list, there is also his constant exercise to test his principles. If they are challenged, he also is the first to acknowledge and accept them.
Love
Team MM
@@millennialmonkshorts9579 Am all admiration for your initiative and efforts. I wish you the very best.
Well pleasure Thoghts. About this subjects👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you Rajesh Ji :)
A very thoughtful discussion!
Excellent, inspiring and dispelling ignorance
Thank you, Kislay Ji! :)
@@ashutoshksinha3642 Thank you, Ashutosh Ji :)
This is quite insightful and I hope these discussions continue. Prof. Agarwal is a 💎. Keep up the good work Mudra.
Thank you for your participation, Samrat Ji!
These discussions will continue and will touch a variety of subjects. :)
What a beautiful, sensible, commonsensical conversation. I wish more people ( the intellectuals) thought like this. Thanks for this interview.
Thank you Riddhi Ji! :)
13:50 profound statement by the professor.
Extremely important for understanding the toxic polarisation our country and the world is going through. As they say, 'An eye for an eye..'.
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great channel
Very insightful and very clear. Thank you Professor. There should be more discussions and talks on such important topics. Wonderful work.
Thank you Rahul Ji :)
There will be many more such discussions! Tune in every Friday at 8.
Very much intellectual clarity of thoughts...too insightful...need of the hour and should reach maximum young and old population of the country...can make similar short videos with answers of important questions in simple hindi which can be circulated on WhatsApp as people now a days want quick reads. Such moves needed which will then reduce or slowly replace harmful content on social media. Thank you again and wish a long and healthy life to the professor !!
Another dimension of historical accountability has to be seen in the context primeval and medieval practices of places of worship of vanquished was destroyed by the Victors.
We are now living in modern age, where modern thought does not use violence to seek retribution for medieval grievances.
Very clear concepts!
Thank you Ma'am! :)
Great work done ✅
Thank you so much. Please watch other episodes too and share with likeminded people. :)
We all know what secularism means but despite that people tends to negate it and tend to polarise for getting sense of comfort.Does secularism fails to give people that sense of comfort or our educational process and society failed to inculcate the same ? Thank you
An important question; will take it up in one of the upcoming discussions.
@@purushottamagrawal2881 Waiting eagerly for that sir . Thank you
Thank you Suman, we will definitely work on your questions and suggestions. Keep 'em coming :)
Suman ji,
Prof Agrawal has answered your question in today's episode. Please tune in at 8 PM. Share it in your circle. Thank you :)
@@MillennialMonkPodcast Thank you very much !!!
Good discussion
Dear Professor,
The way you tried to explain Dharma by asking, Paani ka Dhram kya hai?
In B.R. Chopra's Mahabharat (episode 93 at 10:53 min. Mahtma Vidur also tried to explain the Dhram to Dhritrastra.
Please correct me out if we simply tried to define Dhrama as duties of a living being only instead using this word in plural sense.
Regards,
Dheeraj
As I said in this conversation, the connotation of a sense of duty follows from the basic connotation i.e inherent nature of anything or any being; both are related yet distinct.
For seventy five years all tom-dik and Harry abused ,insulted rediculed Hindu gods and goddesses. Purushottam Agarwal never sat on an interview to condemn it .No secular person condemn it. But as soon as an issue which is in their own scriptures was shown to them entire secular thugs stoodup in support of kannaya' s killers. Hindus should be beware of these these fake secular pandits and their sermons.
You have every right to be proud of your ignorance, I have been speaking and working against every brand of secularism for the last 35 years. Even here I am arguing that every religious group has to surrender " some of its insistences" and Muslims can not expect non-Muslims to believe in the idea of a final prophet or final book. .
Dear Mr. Rao,
I am not known about others but myself used to read professor's articles, blogs, books etc at least since last 20 years and almost in every produce he use to argue with all type extremists and not only the current one.
While reading him I myself found in NOT AGREE category for many of the statments but it's unfair to say that this the first time when Professor saying whatever is said in current conversation.
Thanks a lot
He is vague and naive like dude how do you measure religiousity between Abraham and dharmic religion? You're just expecting majority community to surrender and become passive like ever before and follow secularism while others will follow their religion.
Please listen carefully and calmly, I am saying that EVERYONE may follow her/his faith system, but so far as a code of social conduct and practices is concerned, everyone has to surrender those parts of it, which are not in tune with values so far achieved by humanity as a whole. Democracy can not ignore culture and at the same time, it can not allow discriminatory practices of any cultural tradition.
The modern values of equality, justice, secularism etc have been debated vociferously across centuries. The various revolutions and struggles have given humanity these much cherished ideals and values that constitute modernity. An example would be the French Revolution that gave the concepts of liberty, equality, fraternity etc. Similarly, across history such cultural and political revolutions have been there such as the Renaissance,American & Russian revolutions,Commercial and Industrial Revolutions etc. All of these historical acts started the churn and gave impetus to debates around these values which we consider as the base of MODERNITY.These debates were REASONED and PROFOUND. They were not only discussed but also practiced by various states.The good and the bad was recognized progressively in the functioning of states working with these values. This is why SECULARISM was implicitly incorporated into the Indian Constitution by the Constitution makers even though India is a deeply religious country. Because such universal values are tried and tested and have been the basis of working of all successful nations. However as Professor Agrawal says, secularism too was modified to suit the needs of Indian social and cultural structure. A strict separation of state and religion /church was not suitable for India hence sarva dharma sambahava as a model was chosen. Here we maintain not equal distance from all religions (western concept) but of equal indulgence in all religions. Here too, we secure the key concept of secularism that is of non partisanship to any religion. Hence, in india, the state is not anti religious or irreligious, it seeks to treat all religions equally. So your concern is unfounded. All religions are equally treated in India and everyone is free to practice, propagate, and spread awareness and express their religiosity as a matter of fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. But there are reasonable restrictions and that is what professor Agrawal says. There has to be some parts of religion that has to be surrendered to be compatible to the modern state. These surrendered values are the regressive values of religions and are justifiably restricted by the state. These should not be seen as a transgression or curbing of religious freedom. Because in all matters of expression and celebration, state doesn't intervene. In fact in indian model, it indulges and facilitates such celebrations. But with the caveat that it indulges equally in all religions and also it reasonably restricts the regressive elements.
@purushottam agrawal
@Avi Bcci
Also these values of modernity aren't just west imported. As professor Agrawal has written in his seminal work Kabir, Kabir and other books, there has been "DESHAJ ADHUNIKTA" or indigenous modernity also. So it's not like modern values as such are something alien to indian civilisation. Professor Amartya sen and Professor Agrawal have also mentioned about Akbar and sulh-e -kul. Same goes with the Republican experiments as a method of governance in the Mahajanpada era. There are enough such examples to show that there were modern values and debates on India also. That they could assume the shape and size that could overhaul the traditional structure is a different matter.
@@vikasmahato9980 Thank you Vikas Ji, for upholding the spirit of this podcast. We are all open for discussion, provided it is the idea that is challenged and not the person. Ad Hominem attacks leave a sour taste in the mouth when we can all have the victory of successful conversation and engagement.
Sir agree, but when we as collective society come forward, it is difficult to have consensus on what is religious, what is culture, what is mix of both.
To have these modern values define our social conduct is appreciated but isn't it highly ideal?
What else is needed, do we need strong state for strong reinforcement of these constitutional values or we have to wait till society naturally becomes mature?
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Purushottam ji I saw Nupur Sharma but I did not see Tasleem Rehmani and I will never show her again. Long live JNU professors and long live JNU
Tasleem Rahmani khula ghoom raha hai aur Nupoor Sharma jaan bachati phir rahi hai.