Chernobyl Doctor Fact Checks the HBO Series | Vanity Fair
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- Ukrainian medical responder and radiation expert Alla Shapiro reviews the validity of the HBO series "Chernobyl." Alla shares some real-life on-site experiences to explain whether clips from the series are true to what actually happened on April 26th, 1986 and the days that followed.
Dr. Shapiro received a Medical degree and a PhD degree in Kiev, Ukraine where she was trained in pediatric hematology. After Chernobyl she was one of the first medical responders sent to the most radiation contaminated areas, and headed the field team surveying the medical effects on children in the Chernobyl vicinity.
In 1989, Dr. Shapiro and her family became stateless refugees, spending 6 months in refugee camps in Italy, before immigrating to the U.S. She completed a residency in pediatrics at Georgetown University Hospital and a fellowship in pediatric oncology at the National Institute of Health. Shortly after 9/11, she became a Medical Officer at the Counter-Terrorism and Emergency Coordination Staff at the US Food and Drug Administration and evaluated drugs that treat people who have been exposed to harmful levels of radiation.
Dr. Shapiro is currently completing a book manuscript entitled Extraordinary Journey of the Stateless: From the Shadows of Chernobyl to the Lights of Washington.
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"I was one of the first Chernobyl responders after the nuclear accident" INSTANT RESPECT!!
how can i believe you ?
man computers AmdradeonIntelGTX well it would be kinda boring watching them dropping sand on the core for 10 episodes...
No she wasn't, later on the video she said that she never treated or managed the victims of contamination.
Pedro what so your saying she wasn’t there at all and is just making the whole thing up?
@fractured eyes @10:01
Nonsense has no place in a twenty mile radius of this woman
yes well said, i have the same impression.
she is a shapiro after all
@@Its_Me_Romano Facts don't care about your feelings! Haha
strawberriesandcandy you couldn’t have phrased it better
@@Its_Me_Romano Please don't tarnish this woman by comparing her to that homonculus.
The pain and sadness on her face is shattering at 8:41 as she finishes the sentence: "he would not have been dangerous to anyone who was around him". It then makes sense why she has such a strong reaction to that idea as she then discusses children who were displaced and irrationally rejected for being "radioactive".
ARS isn't contagious, that much is true, but when radioactive particulates are inhaled or ingested, they can linger in the body for months. The firefighters would still be internally contaminated and those particulates would still be emitting gamma radiation.
Yeah except he clearly _was_ since his wife who was pregnant at the time lost her child a mere 4 hours after birth due to radiation sickness. She also suffered several strokes as a result of the radiation she received and was told she'd never be able to have kids (fortunately that part was later proved false, as she now lives in Kiev with her son). So clearly the particles in his body were producing enough radiation to get into _her_ body and then into her baby. So yes, he _was_ dangerous to those around him - _if_ they got too close like his wife did.
@@DavidStruveDesigns she was already exposed to the radiation before reuniting with her husband though. because she lived so close to the nuclear plant and went through the heavily contaminated hospital in pripyat
I think it's more to protect the man. Touching and breathing on him would cause unintended infection because he had probably no immunity
And yet the bodies are reportedly buried in zinc lined coffins and concrete, similar to the animals even she says were feared. Exposure to radiation does not make one radioactive, BUT inhaling/ingesting radioactive particles DOES. Caesium 137 is water soluble with a biological half-life of about 70 days. Strontium 90, if absorbed, will remain in bones with a half-life of 29 years. I suspect that the emotional reaction you speak of may mean that the "fact checker" is in error due to bias.
I like how she says her sources too. She's so knowledgeable and I wish her good health.
@@anno41 are you a doctor? Where did you study?
@@compa6251 lumc in leiden ( Netherlands)
@@compa6251 I can understand the motives to downplay chernobyl
@@anno41 "a lot of the things she said are simply untrue" and then you name 1 thing that she said that she wasn't entirely wrong about either. It is basically impossible for a fetus to absorb the radiation. Nothing she said was wrong
@@anno41
Correct, the foetus can absorb the radiation, there's a Russian midwife taking about how they dealt with over 36 pregnant women in the first 24 hrs and all had unborn babes with defects or where dead.
"Should be based on science, not on fear" Those words have, nowadays, become such a rarity..
Shut up, our Climate IS changing, now give all of your Money to Al Gore, in the Form of Carbon Tax.
You mean always...
I mean, people have been acting on fear over logic for all of history. I must admit that with the massive boom in instant information access, most people (even I) feel little to no need to fact check anything.
Before the "science" is settled, good, old fear may make you survive :}
Whoa! The responses to this comment are unbelievably strange, even for the TH-cam comments section.
So the guys at Vanity fair actually went looking for a real Dr. who was at Chernobyl. Proudest like in my life
Hey Mailo R,
You make a grest point.
I remember seeing a nurse who worked at the hospital being in June 2029 interviewed after the HBO Chernobyl TV series. She worked at the hospital where the irritldated firemen were initially taken.
What she said was gripping and horrifying.
It was the nurses thst quickly guessed that it was radiation poisoning.
Iodine - large sections of the population got Iodine poisoning. The medical professional being interviewed is correct. Iodine, in the right quantity must be given no later than 30 hours after contamination.
@@FrostedSeagull Chernobyl. 2029.
A real Dr. Who?
Jackass
@@MildLemonaidShits Great show
This is the problem with series or films "based on real events". People take them as actual documentaries.
Well they present themselves as well researched and so we give them the benefit of the doubt. But Then some video like this comes out that reveals how little research actually went into it.
Yep and then they vote accordingly thinking they know science when really theyre just watching tv shows 😂😂 never doing their own research, never understanding the constant challenges/flaws science faces similar to any other discipline (things like p-hacking, the fact that vast numbers of studies can't be replicated, etc.), never considering the multidimensionality of issues, choosing to always just take the side of science without any other considerations, etc....
@@volcryndarkstar3283 tf are u on about? Tons of research went into it. This video barely contradicts it. And when she says the show states incorrect information, thats reflective of the time period. It was believed that radiation could be contagious although now we know its not
Anyone with more than seven brain cells knows not to.
STop pretending you're not one of those people. You merely had this opinion after watching this clip. Get off your high horse.
A little bit after Chernobyl happened, there was a very short note about the accident in a newspaper. It sounded very ordinary and neutral, but my Grandpa (in Ufa, Russia) became very worried when he read it. He was telling everyone around, that it's very-very bad, but people didn't seem to believe or worry. Only days/weeks/months after the awful reality came out.
What happened to your grandfather during the days after the incident?
That is very true and sad. My parents told me that as well that they shut up about it and didn't talk about it. The soviets were very quiet and didn't tell anyone about how bad it really was.
Dude I felt like this in December 2019 about COVID. Nobody was taking it seriously.
@@shinjite06 same... I told my family that it was going to become a huge deal later on, and they didn't believe me! Now look where we are 😓
@@shinjite06 People made fun of you in the USA if you worried about it, or said you were a bad person. They won't admit they were wrong even now, or even admit that they didn't take it seriously. People suck sometimes.
She was so concise and knowledgeable, oh the things she must have seen...
Venera the show is horrific, I can’t imagine the horrors she witnessed in person. Especially the children being contaminated
Well she is a scientist right?being smart is Her job-description😊
Livia M Smart isn’t a job description. She uses the scientific method to search for answers in smart and guided manner.
Code Name bruh
Might be a language barrier or cultural... Ukrainians are generally concise.
She was a first responder... people don’t have a right to tell her they know better.
Yes they do. I'm not saying she is factually wrong, but in science the opinion of authorities is irrelevant. If you want to learn more about any medical subject, you read medical textbooks, prestige journals and clinical studies.
@@respberry123 People are taking 2019 knowledge and applying it to 1986. It was not a series about us now looking at it in s 2019 light.
@Long Schnozzed Tribesman In this case, you don't know if it is "absolute bunk". I'm sorry, were you there at the time that you think you know better than the FIRST RESPONDER to this incident?
@Long Schnozzed Tribesman your whole arguement applies to you. youre a nobdy in a comment section. she has spent her life studying this.
@Long Schnozzed Tribesman Please enlighten me what this "complete bunk" is that's supposedly objectively disproven with science. What has she said that you can counterfeit right now? I, a mere pathetic fool, just think you're full of crap :)
It’s a shame too, Mila did an interview about how harassed she was for choosing to be around her husband and killing her baby. In one interview she said no one explained the dangers to her and she was unaware, in another when asked if she would change a thing, she said no, she explained what his last moments were like and she said how happy they were. She gets so much backlash for killing her baby but turns out if radiation did in fact kill her baby, it wasn’t her fault.
Wait, the Doctor lady just said that acute radiation sickness isn't contagious in any form!!!
@@vaibhavpawar4455 yeah but at the time they believed the victims could spread radiation
Her name isn't Mila. That's just a different name. It's Lyudmila.
You know, she was also walking around in Pripyat. The death sentence could have already been decided even before she went to see him.
@@vaibhavpawar4455 I am shocked with her words, cause the fact is that their daughter died soon after birth. Moreover we have a shift manager Anatolij Diatlov who survived two reactor big bangs, second was in Charnobyl, but first one was on a submarine, he didn't die, even through he took deadly amount of radiation, but his 6 year old son died soon after the accident on submarine, because he get leukemia. I can't imagine a different scenario that his daddy was radioactive and caused the leukemia.
When you see white dots in footage of Chernobyl, it's not really because it's an old footage but it's actually the radiation messing with cameras that's what i heard atleast
You are correct. Ionizing radiation will destroy film. In the case of radiation, you get that with little specks and flashes as tiny particles hit the film. When I was younger, I was always reminded to rewind my film in my camera before I opened the shudder or the sunlight would ruin all of my photos. Same idea.
@@berryberrykixx I remember my Mom rewinding the camera film at the end of the roll in the 1980s/90s too.
That is true.
I like the way she talks. Though she is pointing out the series flaws here, she is no way near being judgmental. What she says are facts that we should learn
A British scientist was on TV, saying for the most part it was accurate but they had changed a few details to suit, one I remember was the helicopter scene.She had been there with other scientists to study the radiation.I live in the UK and the area I live in had radiation fallout as did other parts, only learnt this recently. How this low level radiation has affected us, who knows, well their not telling us.
Steve what I mean by judgmental is when someone acts entitled and pretentious. It contains a derogatory connotation. She’s not doing that here.
its her story, it happened to her, not the directors, she has every right to be judgmental, if you ask me
@Steve It's a compliment. It's basically saying that she is a woman of science who doesn't need to put someone down to prove their point. Others aren't as good in this matter.
First of all I don't think that's the point, I don't think she's being judgemental but I also think she's not being "nice"or "cook" either but that's not what matters what matters is if she's being factual and and/or fair, and I think it's fair to say that she is doing at least a decent job on that. Also I don't think *everyone* should learn this, it is a cool ,intriguing, and somewhat of a useful knowledge (I'm talking for the average Joe here). Doesn't mean everyone have the obligation to watch / learn this, at least at this moment.
How did you get her!!? My jaw is on the floor! I could listen to her talk for hours!!
@@MitchellWiggs How many languages do you excel at?
You know that woman in the program isn't a real person right?
@@rammen4 I think you misunderstood what he was amazed about.
Well She lives in USA and works for FDA..... So they probably just called her and asked for interview... She is a radiation safety expert, so she most likely will be more than happy to talk about her subject of expertise as long as the filming happens at convenient time and location. Most researchers are like that.
Your jaw is on the floor? Were you exposed to radiation for three seconds?
I quite like the interpretation that the show's exact intent was to portray Chernobyl after the explosion exactly as it was, lies, fear and misinformation. They didn't get everything right but it perfectly illustrates exactly what people believed at that time due to not enough knowledge on radiation and the government's cover-ups. Tv series aren't documentaries and shouldn't be treated as fact.
I somewhat agree, but the foetus absorbing radiation is total nonsense that a scientist would never believe in. She knows how radiation works, it's not some kind of bacterial disease.
@@MajoradeMayhem Talking about misinformation this series is spreading.
@@MajoradeMayhem Scientists are humans. That means they're not always right. YES, you should trust them IN THEIR FIELD; outside of it however they are just ordinary humans. So it is - imho - somewhat realistic that a physicist might believe false medical information, just as a medical doctor might have false ideas about physics. Lastly I just have to quote Anita Borozan here: "Tv series aren't documentaries and shouldn't be treated as fact." That is something one should not forget whilst watching them - especially if they are BASED ON real events...
@@TheMightyZwom You're clearly not a scientist. A physicist can't help you diagnose cholera, but they aren't going to make such a fundamental mistake about the nature of radiation. Radiation is her speciality. That would be like a medical doctor not knowing which way around the human heart goes.
no one believed such things back then ! this is ridiculous !
Her tone and they way she speaks is so calming and soothing, like every patient must've felt a little bit happy under her care.. She's a true professional.
She doesn’t sound like a “know it all” even though she does KNOW IT ALL! She talks in such a nice way that she genuinely just wants to inform and not seem like she is better. So nice :)
she grew up in soviet russia as a woman, so she learned very early in her life how to think about every word that she uses. she talks slowly, but very efficiently, something that a lot of people these days don't do, because they have the luxury of not having to be efficient and careful :)
@@GuRuGeorge03 it's her personality. Geez.
@@GuRuGeorge03 oh for sure this lady chooses her words carefully, lets not forget the fear of the gulag. Even though Stalin was long gone, the fear in her parents and everyone around her wasn't.
@@eddyyaeji6769 it's ingrained into her
로봇REBETA Partly yes, but the persons point is still valid.
You're telling me Vanity Fair had the time to consult an actual radiation expert for a 13 minute response vid, but HBO couldn't consult one for a WHOLE SERIES?
They consulted hundreds... they just listened to the majority and added a bit of creativity for entertainment like all “inspired by true events” films and documentaries do.
🙏🏻
They did the inaccurate stuff for shock value.
It's a tv show made for entertainment, not realism. And radiation burns can have the affect that is portrayed in the tv show, there was a Japanese man by the name of, Hisashi Ouchi, whose skin was falling off due to receiving 17 Sieverts all in one go. So the shows depiction of how deadly radiation can be over time with your skin falling off is not false.
@@nippleflexer3630 I thought they portrayed the burns for shock value until I saw pictures of Hisashi Ouchi and read about what he went through
"we have a nuclear disaster and a lot of iradiated people,quickly,hide all the books that tells us how to treat it"
Everything looks like they would like to kill their own people
Yeah I caught that.
Which is why everyone outside Russia assumes the high count over the low count of casualties.
Even if Putin (and this doctor) are right about the low count, nobody will believe them.
Ukraine has been able to study and treat the aftermath independently and in cooperation with the international academic community since 1991, so russia has very little role over the narrative. The general truth about the effects of the disaster is quite well known. Why people buy the unproven high numbers, it's part ignorance, part political bias against nuclear power I think.@@zimriel
They did not want people to know they were gone already
I feel like the series was trying to be more emotional than accurate. So that we the viewer can understand just how dangerous and how much radiation and all those fancy studies truly are.
I believe that too. I dare say, I like the changes and it's important to learn. We learnt what happened in Chernobyl more or less.
@@alexcal24 yes! I agree! Every time i watch the series I get so upset for everyone affected.
Except, as the scientist just pointed out, the series made the dangers of radiation appear a lot worse than they actually are and provided grossly inaccurate information to include the inflated death count. But anything to help anti-nuclear sentiments I guess.
@@mark2102 True many things were in accurate but that’s Hollywood for you. But it caused a lot of people to look more into it and look at it in general. The deaths of that day and a week or two after can be mapped out. But it’s hard to map how it truly affected all the regions around. Of course American propaganda is gonna portray this as a bad as possible but at least people somewhat know. Our knowledge is our responsibility, it’s our job to be sure we know what we know with all the resources available to us.
It wasn't filmed like that to show us how dangerous radiation is or be educational in any way. It was sensationally dramatised to get the viewing figures as high as possible.
Honestly, Chernobyl will never stop being terrifying
Only for the next 24 thousand year's it will be terrifying after that it will stop
@@animeworld2369 well scArdicat will be dead in 24 thousand years, but yeah the average human (if we even exist for that long) probably won't even know about Chernobyl.
@@crim899 Me : sees your reply
Also me : how enlightening
@@Casuallyartisticaviator I live to enlighten :')
If you think Chernobyl's bad, read about the Banqiao dam failures
So, basically, the show gets some things very wrong about the medical effects of radiation, but was pretty much accurate when it came to the government response.
american production i guess
Based on what, a story of one woman? You have to consider multiple sources, preferably not in any way related to the series. People have biases.
@@nichtbekannt5072 Joint American-UK production
Too bad that they overly dramatized the medical effects, otherwise I'd watch it.
the medical things such as the heavy burns are in there cuz of dramatization but stuff like the baby absorbing the radiation was believed by the people in the past
She’s someone I’d love to hear lecture or have a conversation with. So calm and intelligent.
I just saw another comment saying there are videos of her speaking. Search Dr. Alla Shapiro. I'm gonna after I finish this.
i think the portrayal of the firefighter is based on his wife's testimony on the Voices of Chernobyl book, where she says he changed colors, turning purple, then greenish white and black 😥 she also said that on his last days he thew up parts of his own organs. So yeah, clearly the makeup artists read that and tried to represent it
It was, she even describes how his skin was peeling of and how she changed his bloody sheets. The makeup artists clearly did a good job representing this kind of radiation in regards to her accounts. There are even photos of him during this somewhere, as she also states in the book
I feel like I read that the book has completely unverified sources.
and like the doctor said, the rendition in the series is exagerrated
If you search for images of radiation burns there are some pretty horrible ones. IMHO the ones portrayed don’t seem that far off the mark.
You can’t throw up parts of your organs.
Obviously the problem here is that this woman is about 14 times smarter than the average anybody.
What problem?
Obviously she is 14 times smarter than you.
@@pelinkizilkus3884 There is that possibility.
Don’t get me wrong but I wouldn’t say that she’s particulary smarter than the average human. She only has expirience because she was there, yet really calm and truthful.
@@t-55am2b5 I disagree, it takes a wise human to have self-awareness and to be able to question the difference between what is right and is wrong. You don't have to look far to see nowadays that many people take what they see as reality.
The ending words are so true. Science may not be able to answer all the questions, but fear can answer much less.
Science can answer all questions we just need to apply and use it
She is spitting out the truth like its nothing... Such an amazing lady she is and I hope to see her again in future projects like this.
Whell actually looks like a lot of doubtable moments was removed. HBO Chernoby have a lot more problems then you actually can see and specialist should notice those moments, like chernoby doctors scene where absoloutley no one new what radiation is, it is TOTALY untrue and doctors just looks like idiots.
@@rootkit4865 HBO shows usually like that unfortunately... I don't buy it that none of the doctors knew what radiation is... Radiation is something that was well known before the incident. Heck, our bodies right now have some degree of radiation in them just not enough to hurt obviously. People studied this way before and they made it look like something completely new lol
@@royliber3824 " I don't buy it that none of the doctors knew what radiation is" The film didn't say that, dumbass.
Remember, people. When something is labeled as "based on real events", it just means that the base story has happened. Like...you can make a WW2 movie about bioweapons and mechanical soldiers and still say it's "based on real events" as long as the battle it depicts had actually happened
The famous example being the movie Braveheart.
Definitely based on a real story.
At the same time it's the biggest bunch of complete horsesh't the world has ever seen.
BASED on real events
I wish this video was longer, such an interesting person
There's crap loads of related videos on youbook. Even made by the actual liquidators of the events.
@@philipcooper8297 Thanks for posting that. I've never heard of youbook.
@@johndifrancisco3642 Yep, read all about it on my facetube.
@@philipcooper8297 lol😅
María Txc i agree
The baby absorbing the radiation thing never sat right with me I'm glad she cleared it up
I always took it as, this is what the firefighters wife believed and told her..... which it is.
But the fact is, the baby died and doctors told her she will never have another baby again. And here she is, living in Kiev with her son. So I'm not saying that baby saved the mom, but baby died, mom didn't.
Not related to radiation but:
lets say that pregnant woman receives almost deadly dose of X toxin. The baby gives her enough body mass to stay alive, but the baby dies.
This is all possible?
She said there was a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings. So what she says about the doctors saying the baby died because of the radiation is historically accurate - they legitimately didn’t have enough data to know for sure but that was their best guess - but it’s scientifically inaccurate. A point made at the end of the series when we see the wife is alive with another child.
I think they included that bit because it's what the real Lyudmilla Ignatenko wrote about that time. She felt as if the baby had absorbed all radiation.
We have to take into account the limited knowledge doctors had then, which explains why some inaccuracies made it into the show, especially if the government took away all the books and journals!
This woman is a legend and she deserves all the recognition in the world
"Less knowledge, more silence and less panic"
Now we know the consequences of that.
Trump is responding the same way... If you don't cover and lie for him you will be fired.... Dr Birx.
@@deeannwatson4453 China did the same basically.
But you should understand the difference between the concealment of facts to save 50-hundred civilians, which was evacuated in about 24 hours, and situation with Covid 2019... I think these are too different situations to compare...
Sounds a whole lot familiar..china
noone is immune to propaganda... this is still happening today with our govnt
I would actually love to watch a documentary about this woman
She has written a book, read the description to the video.
Bobo Momo That is great. I would also want a documentary.
or a biopic and have Jessica Lange play her
Картофель i know 😔 idk what i was thinking. i’m a 🤡
שלום לך ישראלית ^•^
9:26 These are not burns. This is how a person exposed to radiotion will look like after ionising radiation tears the cellular structure apart. Then the cellular damage begins to manifest. Bone marrow dies, immune system fails. The organs and soft tissue begin to decompse. Those decays are the result of this decomposition.
They would be dead by that point so either way the guy looking like that and alive still doesnt feel right.
@@halinaqi2194 apparently it's true, his wife, (I forgot her name) said he was puking out bits of his organs out and there are other accounts where a man's face fell off
And here I thought that nothing could be scarier than the Bubonic Plague........guess I was wrong........😶
@@halinaqi2194 no they wouldn’t be. Sadly radiation poisoning has a slow and agonizing death to the extent that in the medical community there are still debates about whether it was truly ethical to keep such patients alive for that long.
@@milkman1196 their face's skin come off but it was dried, layer by layer like a snake shredding its skin, not floppy shiny chunks like in the movies. There are still clips of chernobyl's victim who suffered acute radiation sickness and they dont look like that
Passed so many years and she continues to choose the words that she says.
Which is what all of us should be doing and not for the reason you're hinting here.
Man she is a russian doctor and u expect her having time to learn English fluently? Even tho she needs time to choose right words she is still clear and easy to listen to and its amazing she is so open-minded to participate in this video. I cant even imagine the amount of medical information she has in her head and even speaks a foreign language at that age.
@@child8689 who expected her to speak fluently? I agree with the rest of your comment, she speaks fine, but it seems misdirected
@@TheNinjapancake14 yea i agree, i should have said a bunch of other things so my point sounds sane. What i was going for is that the guy is saying that she is still choosing words due to the politics which sounds unrealistic to me. So i suppose that she chooses words due to the language. But i had to phrase that better yea
@@child8689 No, you were perfectly clear the first time. I guess the other person just doesn't have any understanding skills, which would allow him to connect what you said to the initial comment.
Sounds like she's exactly the person they should have consulted before and during the making of the series.
They did consult people like this. But guess what, it's a drama, not a documentary. Dramas will always, always, always take liberties
@@TheParadox3000 yeah there's far too many people thinking it's a documentary
jms elt Or, people respect the high level of production in this show. Although it was dramatized, it was pretty historically accurate. Most people know that they’re not watching a documentary, but instead a TV show that does a pretty good job of depicting what happened
@jms elt no that means you're a dumbass that doesn't even know the subject you're criticizing
@jms elt no but i'm still far more entitled to have an opinion on it than you
Dr. Shapiro is a true expert on this topic and she is also an outstanding oncologist/hematologist. Glad to see VF got the perfect person to comment on this powerful mini-series.
wait why didnt i notice her last name is shapiro
Wife of Ben Shapiro?
Thankyou so much.
cha rin Yes there is absolutely no one else in the world with the last name Shapiro
@@PoisonTheOgres
But I've been led to believe his wife is a doctor?
This was super cool to watch! My grandma was in med school at the time and was one of the many people brought in to help with the clean up. Anyway mad respect to this woman.
Hope she's in a good place for all the service she provided :)
its ironic "What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all."
seen all that, been a refugee, move to the US, learnt a new language, retrained, and still made it this far in her career- AND is a great speaker. what a woman.
learned* sorry, had to
"learnt " is perfectly acceptable in British English, go look it up :) so no, not "learned"
armysister125 burn
At no point did she say that she was a refugee. She never said she lived in or near Pripyat. She probably just worked in the Soviet Union and then moved to America at some point.
@@l2ic3 if you read the description under the video it does say she was a refugee along with her family and stayed in a refugee camp in Italy
You look at her eyes, and you know : she's seen things...
yeah, she had seen DOZENS of plastic surgery tables as a patient.
Jokes aside, seems like a really strong woman. That makes it even weirder that she felt the need to alter her face by plastic surgery to look like a cat alien.
@@capitaldcolon1795, what does her appearance have to do with anything? What an unnecessary comment.
@@pizzapizza2356 judging a women by her looks is what these assholes can do
nah she hasnt, shes a nobody
@@adwaitab.3622 I see that. How sad.
The exposure to severe radiation is actually not that well documented so the FX team did not have that much material for very late stages - there’s a Variety video interviewing the lead makeup artist. So in the end although makeup was definitely the most fictionalised, the show was very well researched. People forget it wasn’t a documentary, it was a tv show based on true events portraying what people felt during the event, and they did it really well.
That depiction was effectively what a corpse looks like in later stages of decomposition. And likely based on pictures of the Japanese Hisashi Ouchi who was kept alive with acute radiation poisoning for roughly 3 months. Much of his skin was grafted as it fell apart and grew infected. It’s not ‘that’ inaccurate to those things.
People forget that cinema photography is a visual media. The make up artist had a job to show the audience how horrible radiation is. Sometimes to get that message across, visuals have to be exagerated.
@@PikaPeteyexactly!
Wrong. There's literally tons of info. But I guess she had to say something which validated her extreme use of gore.
@@PikaPetey But it's stupid and disrespectful, keep the exaggeration for fantasy stories, not depictions of real events.
"Science not fear" is a very timely statement.
Whenever a doctor contradicts what you see in a movie, enjoy the movie but you better believe the doctor!
good one, sister
Yep. Agree.
Yeah, a lot of people dont watch a series cause of some small liberties.
Not sure where she contradicted the show? Some things were underscored for drama points, and some things were considered truth in the past and were proven wrong now, sure, but it does not mean that the show was incorrect to include them. Just a deep dive into Soviet era, with all that it entails.
Unless it's a communist doctor. They'll tell you everything is fine while harvesting your kidney.
"Our response should be based on science, not on fear." Boy should that be the slogan for 2020...
Yes, although good science has a healthy respect for the unknown variables and good scientists try and avoid making blanket statements that we shouldn't be concerned about something they cannot scientifically claim to have comprehensively studied. Chernobyl is an object lesson in officials making statements in scientific language to avoid mass panic, telling everyone they were being scientific yet at the same time refusing to allow basic scrutiny that science objectively demands.
Yes. Now you define what constitutes a proper application of the scientific method, and who's lying. As a scientist myself, I'm perfectly aware how several highly contradictory theories can be equally possible. Speculation at this scale is spectacularly axiomatic.
Amen to that, you said better than I did.
@@kahkah1986 basically, politicians editing the science to suit their political needs. Now, where have I seen this recently?
You said everything I would say.
Her final words are truly something that should be how we speak of the past.
This woman is wise and wisdom should always be thanked when passed along.
I am so glad I had the opportunity to hear her speak. 💕💕💕
In all fairness, let’s remember that even when Chernobyl accident really happened, this was still a tv show so it’s obvious that some creative liberties were taken. This wasn’t a documentary.
Just like Hamilton, it’s accurate to an extent but entertainment wise it they needed to add
The tv series succeeded at what it was intended for. Kindling interest in the event. We wouldn't have this interview without that.
but to be fair at no point does she point out anything grossly inaccurate. most of the scenes are accurate according to her, and for the scenes where she points out medical inaccuracies she also points out that people back then truly believed these false infos (such as contagious radiation). the only thing she really critiques is that burn victim but she also point out that she personally just has never seen it.
Its crazy how many people in the comments are saying that a certified doctor who had first hand experience working with the patients in this situation is incorrect... I'm sorry were you there too
So we should believe everything?
Our younger generations have not been taught critical thinking. They're geared to be more susceptible to conspiracy. Any explanation but the actual truth. It's really damaging our society. I think it is the end goal to control people.
@@ultramagahoosierhermit2767 funny how you're actually spreading ideas of a conspiracy, before blindly going off about the youth.
Yeah, because obviously HBO is more trustworthy than an actual doctor who's been there and seen it all. These series have been a shock for the west and most of the world, but neighbouring countries of Ukraine have known everything about it for decades already.
anderson_beauty She’s right though
Imagine studying and practicing your profession for years, just for someone to instruct you to tell people the opposite of the situation.
That actually happened recently.
Are you talking about Chernobyl or Deborah Birx? Because she didn't seem to have any problem doing exactly that. :-P
I want the same lady to talk about myths of the Corona virus 10 years later
K, but why you call them 'myths' tho? I mean are you sure you know how much radiation can damage you?
@@hatersgottahatewejustgotta198 I think they just mean whatever exaggerations about different symptoms, medicines, lifestyle or lackthereof that will likely arise over time?
@@Catz1a thank you , yes that is exactly what I meant
You foolish person, corona is killing so many, its not a myth.
Corona is not a myth, more than 1 million have been infected in my country
The show wasn't really about the science though...it was about the cost of lies.
Why does it say when they make that point by lying about the science and overdramatising it
@@lt3880 They didn’t have a responsibility to make sure all the science was completely correct. They had a responsibility to the dead to show what it was like for the civilians, even if it was just a taste.
best summary
@@mexicanwarstreets hahahaha they just made money with fake concern about a dramatic historical event - say no to british drama
Very true
Someone get this woman a documentary.
Rise and Shine❤️
@@iloveclorox8633 is that Kylie?
How bout a Biopic?
yee yee I actually disagree, while the HBO series was good, it did antagonize certain people and dramatize many parts of it. In reality the set of events happened for the most part like what happened in the show, but there are some differences.
Vila ` You’re probably right, all I’m saying is as good as this one was, it definitely wasn’t perfect.
Someone give this lady some water. She needs it immediately and we need her to talk more.
Exactly what I was thinking lmfaoo
Water for what? There's nothing wrong with her during this.
@@jesser5127 she seemed nervous during it
@@nataliejenkins4668 I mean, if you did what she did you'd be nervous too. She mentioned that you would lose your job or any if you didn't listen to the orders given. Old Ukraine was much different than the democracy it's become now.
@@foofyloo facts
Such a powerful and brilliant woman. I watched this series also believing it was based on adhering strongly to the facts but it’s very insightful having these misconceptions corrected thank you!
I read the book, Midnight At Chernobyl before watching the series. I would say that is a better account of what happened and it goes into detail about the makeup of reactors and how radiation works.
my mom was sent there, she was a nurse, she refused and lost her job and even housing - a small price to pay for keeping your life, we moved to poland as soon as the ussr fell....
Glad to here you made it out of Pripyat/Chernobyl alive.
Your mom had ultra instinct
If that was true,your mom is awsome!
Health workers should be the personification of courage to help when are hard times, cowardice and selfishness are impermissible when medical help is needed. Not everyone is like your mother and in theese hard times fortunately.
good for both of you. my town accepted a lot of evacuated people, we even have around 6-9 new villages because of it
"Our response should be based on science not on fear" I have a new ammendment to my personal philosophy.
Thank you for clearing up fact vs fiction. I always thought the 'fetus absorbing the radiation' was a fallacy.
If anyone is curious before taking what she is saying as gospel, the production team used professionally published books on what severe radiation poison does to the body and took those pictures and descriptions to make the accurate makeup seen in the show. One of the men that was in the powerplant hours after its explosions that lived, Oleksiy Breus, said that the make up was indeed accurate and that the people who experienced the worse radiation poisoning basically melted.
so basically instead of taking her word as gospel take someone else’s word as gospel instead huh
The descriptor “professionally published” is not actually adding any meaning to the word “book” lol
@@entertain7us148 I agree with you in the professionally posted comment.
As a slavic guy, i'am really impressed at how good her English is considering that almost 99% of old people you come across in Slavic countries can't say a thing in English
Depends on the country. Some Slavic countries have great English speakers. I know, I live in one.
She is giving me Asmr haha
well i'm a native english speaker and i can't say a single thing in any slavic language. lol
It's unbelivable how good her English is. I bet there is a reason why she learned English at her age. Most likely she immigrated in an English-speaking country.
She lives in the US
The things she’s seen...
There are many types of people I would consider a heroes. 'Chernobyl Doctors' definitely rank among them.
And it’s amazing that she seems fine. She is a legend!
She said the description of the burns wasn’t accurate? I’m just wondering, is it actually worse or less horrific? I’m too scared to look up pictures of it 😅
@@blinkeu7775 it's just that they are burned in many parts of the body, not all over. But don't see it because it might scar you regardless, since they are the pictures of actual real humans
radiation burns are like a lot less severe than shown in the show
It's horrible that television makes it seem like you'll be turned into an isotope. When it reality it's only cell mutation
Say what you want about the series - it started a conversation about this. It got people asking questions, it got people looking for the truth. Something that certain people wanted to provide very little of at a time when it might have actually helped.
actual doctor who was there and treated victims "this is what happened"
americans on the internet who've seen a tv show: "UHM AKKKSSSHHHYYYYKKKUUUAALLLLYYYY"
Well at least they know global warming is a hoax and co2 is not a driver, unlike the orwellian sheep in Europe...
You got to love these sweeping generalisations- ALL Americans think this and ALL Europeans think that. 😂😂😂
@@stevebryce6071 its usually americans who are arrogant enough
Man.. we know this is fiction. There are documentation videos on youtube and you can just check Chernobyl images on google...
@@ahrfry dude literally just scroll down, a particular gem starts with "she clearly knows nothing about the affects of radiation"
She needs more screen time. I kinda want a mini series with her just talking about anything related to the Chernobyl incident or her profession
This is a riveting clip. I watched the entire series and thought it was excellent, notwithstanding any artistic license that was added for dramatic effect. It is obvious that this Doctor is a legitimate expert on the subject, and the clip makes for an effective counterbalance to the series portrayal of events.
The bleeding scene is not due to radiation. It is because he was pressing his body against the large, heavy door into the reaction which was badly damaged.
She's extremely good. She gives exactly the right level of dispassionate analysis, explaining clearly where and why the series got things right and when it didn't with no obvious axe to grind and no attempt to cover things up - she simply states how it really was. She's one in a million and she was also there.
I was born in Minsk, Belarus. I often ask my mother about the incident and the things that followed. She does her best to control her anger and frustration. Those who lived and were affected by the disaster in my family, refuse to watch this show as it brings up too many terrible memories. People fail to realize that the only way to describe how the Soviet government handled itself during and for the most part, after the disaster is pure evil.
Sorry to ask, but isn't Belarus like, the last dictatorship in Europe now? Didn't _Babka_ just "re-relected" himself last week after 25 years?
Maximilian Dummnichtswürdigkerl yes
I have ran into a large community on here that believes this is all western propaganda/ hysterical assuming/wanting to portray the soviet government as incompetent. Im glad there are people like you willing to speak out. And of course this film pissed off the Putin Government so much there is a Russian version being funded by the state "showing the true story" of "CIA" sabotage coming out soon.
The show is not a documentary, it takes its artistic freedom in how to tell a story, based on actual events. There is, certainly, some kind of obligation regarding the real people.
For me the show is relevant simply because of the question "What is the cost of lies?", which can't be more relevant than in this weird year 2020, and it does justice to the common folk affected by that incident. That is, in my eyes, the great achievement. Now all over the world viewers know of the fate of Vasily Ignatenko and his wife, those poor night-shift guys and all the others. Their fate is emotionally experienceable, people can connect. And thus the victims will never be forgotten.
And that breaks the attempted cover-ups by officials, by that corrupted system. The sacrifice isn't overlooked anymore, it is not bound to local monuments and official rituals anymore.
What ist keeping the face of the Soviet government worth? NOTHING. It is long gone.
I was born in Odessa, my parents knew people who worked and survived the explosion. A man I encountered years ago, was in his late 40s, was working in Chernobyl the day the reactor exploded. His skin did not melt off, but the radiation terribly destroyed his lungs, kidneys as well as the rest of his insides.
This video made me feel compassion. Thanks
What a very smart, well spoken doctor. She saved lives too. I wish her all the best.
She is a doctor, why are you pointing out that she is well spoken? Why wouldn’t she be?
@stevencramsie9172 Why do you care that I pointed it out? That's such a strange thing for you to get upset over 🥴 There are a lot of doctors in the world, but not all are well spoken with as much compassion as she has.
She's just being professional as she always has been. Basically, she's just giving us the key tip; Chernobyl is a great miniseries, it is accurate but is not a documentary. It is a dramatic exercise of reconstructing a fact that many unknew or forgot. Not anymore. Kudos for Alla and her great contribution. 👏👏👏👏
We have to also bear in mind that the mini series is based on real accounts of the people that lived through the tragedy, at the time the Soviet Union took decisions without any scientifically basis
The irony is that the social stuff is like 95% accurate... And the science stuff is like 5% accurate.
... Who forgot Chernobyl? You kids, never knowing your past (Has vastly less knowledge of the time before I was born as well, but I'm somehow still right). This is like THE thing they gotta mention it in school or is it ALLLL About Fukushima now? Radioactive water is a more interesting subject I guess.
@@ThisIsTheTowne You can't forget something when you weren't close to existence at the time
very well said
We’re now at a time where Vanity freakin Fair is posting more factual and substantive pieces than the majority of “reputable” news sources. Wtf...
Respect my pronouns!!!
Weird times, my friend...
4 real man i was in shock looking at what channel i actually watched
@@miceatah9359 nah its majorly becuase of chernobyl series
When did HBO become a reputable source? Perhaps it’s you who is the gullible drone easily controlled...
"Our response to people [...] should be based on science, not fear." - Alla Shapiro.
I wish that filmmakers would have a group of historians consulting on their films to help keep them historically authentic. When you do that, these become great tools for teaching classes and adds to the drama. Film can be a great way to summarize historical information into something that can be moving, powerful, and impactful for changing our perceptions of the past and the future.
Give us a 2 hour unedited vid
A full watchalong :D
This is one very intelligent and well-spoken woman.
There's actually plenty of them out there, unfortunately these days society would rather listen to pretty famous women who are dumb as a box of rocks than intelligent educated women like this!
she's reading a prewritten text for her actually.
@Leka Floyd not really, those who only use their “looks” to get money and fame are not necessarily smart,they’re just lucky and it’s okay do whatever you want
However it’s clearly dangerous sometimes when these people speak on important topics and are taken seriously, as they influence many people.
Ok?
@Leka Floyd but not interesting. Carrie Fisher(RIP) is the first that comes to mind as an entertaining and intelligent woman. There are many "pretty famous women" that need to add drama to their narratives to make it more interesting and relatable. That's a smart move, but without the drama they're boring. There's nothing special about them, except their money.
this is a very important video. more like this!
Vanity Fair doing doing true serious journalism. Most media just regurgitating press releases, funny world we live in
They need that money.
They don't do it very often. Props to them for doing it this time.
So people weren't contagious but people thought they were... So it kinda was accurate to show it like that in the series right?
@Matt S yeaaaa I saw documentarys... So sad...
Exactly...
Aaroni Pepperoni Yep, and she does agree people thought that way and that it was dangerous that they did so.
Okay but isn't Lioudmila a real woman who testified about what happened to her? She really lost her baby and she really went to visit her husband in the hospital and all. So she lost her baby because of the explosion itself and not because of what followed (her going to the hospital and staying with her husband)?
After nuclear attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WW2 was same troubles in Japan. People who survived them called Hibakusa (don’t know how it how to spell it). People was crossing the street to NOT contact them because they didn’t knew anything about radiation and how it can spread between people (it can’t btw). This, so as Chernobyl and Fukushima, shows that human stupidity and carelessnes can kill same amount of people as anger and any kind of agression
This hit me hard when she said they didn’t know the dosage to take and would give their kids a ulcers 😔😭 These poor people.
Same... my parents were taking it at school when the accident happened...
Just dirty communist...
They are all happy they did not send everybody to GOOGLag))))
@@seho8722 not like in America, where true patriots follow their leader's instructions to drink bleach to cure their illnesses.
@@Uarehere or hydroxychloroquine? 😂
Yes, heartbreaking 😭
I need to say the audio at the beginning scared me so bad I swore it was in my room lol
Probably the most insightful video I’ve watched on TH-cam
Huge respects to this woman for what she's seen in her life
Good at reading script. Try looking her up.
@@ivanmonahhov2314 explain yourself
@@Moonwatery he's a loser. Ignore him.
100% of the comments - "I can't believe people are disagreeing with this doctor! She was literally there!"
0% of the comments - "She's actually incorrect"
Oh youtube comments, you puzzle me!
Ya because the doctors were indoctrinated with the same gov propaganda of the time.
Dur... Because she's correct?
Maybe you should look at new comments instead of top comments? Obviously you'll never find those kind of comments just by sorting in top comments.
@@lordsamich755 The point is that nobody's saying she isn't.
@@WalterLiddy
Because she's not incorrect.
Really good interview!
9:57 Im not sure look up Hisashi Ouchi after his accident at a nuclear plant. the image and injuries are horrific
Apparently nobody in Chernobyl was speaking English with a variety of British accents. very Interesting
Lol
Yeah definitely, I thought Chernobyl was the 5th country in the UK, and now what! The world is insane
They decided to stick with British accent because Russian accent would sound hilarious and non-serious while this show is definitely serious. And as Ukrainian I agree with that. I’ve watched “Chernobyl” in English and didn’t have any strange feelings about the accent.
You know, contrary to Hollywood beliefs, when people talk in their native language, it doesn't sound like having a strange foreign accent at all, either. 😉
@@Dima0zykov I think they agree with you completely (I do, at least), that was just for the sake of a joke
Clearly and honestly HBO stated that they took some liberties. As for the makeup the head of the department stated that they wanted to make it look realistic without making it unwatchable.
That being said I enjoyed learning what was really real and what wasnt.
The scientist who gives the iodine is actually not wrong when she gave the iodine to the secretary. According to the timeline it was about 18 hours since the explosion and fallout would have fallen soon after. Scientists aren't perfect but her effort was not wasted.
They wanted shock value.
It looks nothing close to realistic, its a standard horror makeup.
LostSparten071 I also think that they said to find actually pictures of those in recovery was difficult, so they had to go by description
@@Bringadingus While you are correct in this context, it's worth noting that radiation sickness has manifested itself in an equally gruesome way as is portrayed here.
It's just that this particular man would not be exhibiting those symptoms.
I postulate that this actor's make-up is based on an incident that happened in a Japanese nuclear reactor.
A man fell into a vat of radioactive material. That man's burns (very real, and photograped for posterity) look very similar to these burns (not entirely similar - there is much less actual flesh).
I won't link to those specific pictures. They're as horrifying as you would expect; moreso even, since they are real and the images shown here are fake.
You can find them through a quick google search with a prompt of "Hisashi Ouchi."
AGAIN - VIEWER DISCRETION HIGHLY ADVISED.
Don't even think about "alternative facts" when you are near her.
Well, Trumpsters would say "Fake News!"
On the radiation burns, I'm pretty sure there's an actual video that is akin to the portrayal in the show
This is what we want, people with actual knowledge, calling out the glorification of things in movies that may cause actual panic in the public.
I respectfully disagree. Because the movie is art. They are responsible for what they say, not what you understand. However, we are in an era of easy access of information, and yet, people don't search properly! "I googled it, and it's real!" But it was an unreliable webpage. This can cause panic, and, in this case, I agree with you, not because of this movie, but because of our ascidian (I don't know if this is the right word in English), our laziness for research in science.
@@estefaniabs the art is not the problem. The problem is a lot of people don't see it as art but complete truth.
The issue is that if the series was about a made up event people would question what's presented more. But because it's about a real event, people take what they see as facts, because why would anybody lie and make up things about what happened to the real victims, especially if the reality was already horrendous, and especially because this is something that could happen again
@@rp6635 yes!!! That's my point! You said exactly what I was trying to say!
But the show didn’t glorify anything. It all felt like a reminder of the past and a warning on how lying can result in the lost of millions of lives.
She’s amazing! I’m glad she clarified about radiation sickness not being contagious after the clothes were removed and the patient was bathed.
The Wikipedia article does more justice than the show,Chernobyl. The clothes are still there,in general,elephant's foot is an unpleasant place.
That was a myth at the time though, it is not saying that is what actually happens, but rather displaying what people thought at the time...
The worker showing signs of radiation poisoning so quickly was a very good way to emphasize how deadly serious the situation was.
Watching this lady reviewing those scenes in that slow and articulate way gives me chills.
All my respects, by the way. She is a heroine.
I don't think there's alot that could make this lady lose her composure.
Correct, she's well trained and dedicated to the truth......the Russian Truth.
Yes - she’s truly a role model for all who wish to improve their image.
you can tell she have seen things...
Love the profile pic🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Medical personal in general lost their composure often enough to know and control themselves pretty well. We are nothing special, only have seen some more than average, so got used to emergent stress.
The last statement is so relevant for the crisis we are going through now..."Information should be based on science , not fear" .
It would be interesting to also get the perspective of a health physicist. Washington State University has people who study the impact of radiation on the human body. They manage the US Transuranium and Uranium Registries.
I barely remember the blast graduated high school a few years before. Was retried after I got to thinking 🤔 about it.