Alexander Hamilton in 1800: "Look, I hate Jefferson. I have nothing but contempt for him. But with Jefferson, at least you know what you're going to get. With Burr you have no idea of anything he's going to do. And I'll choose the species of snake I know over the species of snake I don't." Thomas Jefferson: "Honestly, he's being more civil than I expected. Guess being pissed at Burr is the one thing we have in common."
I always thought that the "it's 1800 ladies, tell your husbands vote for Burr" is a reminder (for us, the audience) that women couldn't vote back then. Interesting to hear your interpretation for that.
From what I'm aware, the "It's quiet uptown" vs "Tell us how you'll be voting" is supposed to represent how Hamilton is busy still mourning his child while everything else around him is still going on. It's to represent him being outside and unaware of the current narrative (even though Hamilton definitely would be aware of the politics going on at the time,)
Exaxtly. However it should be noted that in actuality his son Phillip didn't die in that duel until 1801, after this election. But for story's sake this makes sense.
"Why would he make this decision?" Honestly, I think it's because swaying the vote to Burr wasn't possible, but swaying the vote to Jefferson was. Through all those rounds of voting, Jefferson was only one vote short of winning, and all of those votes were from states under firm Democratic Republican control, who he held much less sway over than he did over the Federalists voting for Burr or splitting their state's vote. Swaying one Federalist state's vote to Jefferson was fairly easily done. On the other hand, swaying the several D-R states' votes he'd need to sway to Burr just wasn't within his power. I can't say whether it's because he wanted to be a kingmaker, or because he thought a constitutional crisis was worse for the country than Jefferson being in charge; I don't know him well enough to give an opinion. But I think the endorsement was made because he wanted to swing the vote from "deadlock" to "definitive choice," and there was only one direction in which he had the power to do that.
So, I was a bit wrong above: there was one Jefferson vote from a Federalist state (Georgia). But that still wasn't enough for Hamilton to swing the vote to Burr, even if he had wanted to. There were 16 States voting in that election; you needed a majority of votes from the Representatives of 9 States to be elected President. Before Hamilton intervened, the vote was 8-6 for Jefferson, with the two remaining states split down the middle and therefore not calling a vote. Assuming that Hamilton had perfect influence among Federalists, he could swing Georgia from Jefferson to Burr, trying the count at 7-7. He could then flip the one Federalist vote for Jefferson to Burr, breaking that tie and making it 8-7 for Burr. But that's still one vote short, and now every Federalist is voting Burr, so Hamilton has nothing left that he can do. In addition to flipping Georgia and Maryland, he'd need to get one of the D-R Representatives in Vermont to vote Burr, and that probably wasn't within his power. On the other hand, if he wanted to swing the vote to Jefferson, he just needed to convince one Federalist in either Vermont or Maryland to change their vote. Which was very doable, as he proved by swinging both of those states to Jefferson, along with convincing Delaware and South Carolina to vote for "no candidate" rather than Burr. Now, he may have swung the vote to Jefferson because he thought he'd make the better President, or because he was mad at Burr for the water/bank thing. That's also a narrative that fits the evidence. But the idea that he could have chosen Burr to be the next President, and made that happen through simply exercising his power within the Federalist party, appears to be a myth. There weren't enough Federalists in the right places to make that happen.
So back then everyone agreed that even threatening to deport immigrants is wrong and it ended Adams’s career whereas nowadays both parties are afraid to ever STOP deporting immigrants? Did I get that right?
The sedition act is what really ruined Adams. The deportation thing just seemed like an act of intimidation, which people didn’t like. Each party had certain immigrants that they liked and disliked, it just depended on where they were coming from. Federalists at the time just really didn’t like the French or Irish at the time.
So many more different variables go into the immigration issue now then back then. Even the overall population of the country now makes this more of a tenuous issue.
I've recently started binge-watching your Oversimplified reactions and when it comes to you skipping "It's Quiet Uptown" I feel like quoting his (sort-of) catchphrase: "Dude ... So uncool." I am sincerely hoping that you will indeed one day return to "It's Quiet Uptown" even if it's just to comment on how amazingly it was animated or on the relationship between Alexander and Elisa during this harsh period of time in their lives. At the same time I did enjoy your reaction to this song, especially all of the commentary you had at the bit before Hamilton meets with Burr. When it comes to future videos, I would suggest you do "Your Obedient Servant" for one video and then put "Best of Wives" and the duel song in one video. And maybe "The World was Wide Enough" and the final song in one, though I'd prefer those to be separate as well as they both deserve their own video.
I think part of the reason he had nothing to really add to "It's Quiet Uptown" is because, as he's stated in the past, there's not a lot of information out there about Eliza and he's kind of already gone over Hamilton's handling of his affairs, motivations etc in many of his other videos, as well as, obviously, his sons death in the last video. So, historically speaking (which is why he's making these videos, to speak about some of the history behind the events that inspired them) its kind of already been covered or will be covered by a song that has a bigger key event.
Actually, it's oddly ironic that Jefferson's personal vindictiveness may have hamstrung the country he helped create from the outset. He stopped a wise balance and check on the two highest offices in the land, which only corroded the republic at its foundation.
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Alexander Hamilton in 1800: "Look, I hate Jefferson. I have nothing but contempt for him. But with Jefferson, at least you know what you're going to get. With Burr you have no idea of anything he's going to do. And I'll choose the species of snake I know over the species of snake I don't."
Thomas Jefferson: "Honestly, he's being more civil than I expected. Guess being pissed at Burr is the one thing we have in common."
I always thought that the "it's 1800 ladies, tell your husbands vote for Burr" is a reminder (for us, the audience) that women couldn't vote back then. Interesting to hear your interpretation for that.
I agree with you but I could see it both ways.
9:19 "I wasn't in the room for that stuff" you mean you weren't in the room where it happens
0:16 Don't feel bad about that, we all cried during that part :'(
From what I'm aware, the "It's quiet uptown" vs "Tell us how you'll be voting" is supposed to represent how Hamilton is busy still mourning his child while everything else around him is still going on. It's to represent him being outside and unaware of the current narrative (even though Hamilton definitely would be aware of the politics going on at the time,)
Exaxtly. However it should be noted that in actuality his son Phillip didn't die in that duel until 1801, after this election. But for story's sake this makes sense.
“Jefferson has hair, burr has none,”
Hamilton IRL: oh god who do i choose they both have hair nooo- wait i have an idea
*hamilton cuts burr' hair off*
Hamilton: ah. peace.
"Why would he make this decision?"
Honestly, I think it's because swaying the vote to Burr wasn't possible, but swaying the vote to Jefferson was. Through all those rounds of voting, Jefferson was only one vote short of winning, and all of those votes were from states under firm Democratic Republican control, who he held much less sway over than he did over the Federalists voting for Burr or splitting their state's vote. Swaying one Federalist state's vote to Jefferson was fairly easily done. On the other hand, swaying the several D-R states' votes he'd need to sway to Burr just wasn't within his power.
I can't say whether it's because he wanted to be a kingmaker, or because he thought a constitutional crisis was worse for the country than Jefferson being in charge; I don't know him well enough to give an opinion. But I think the endorsement was made because he wanted to swing the vote from "deadlock" to "definitive choice," and there was only one direction in which he had the power to do that.
So, I was a bit wrong above: there was one Jefferson vote from a Federalist state (Georgia). But that still wasn't enough for Hamilton to swing the vote to Burr, even if he had wanted to.
There were 16 States voting in that election; you needed a majority of votes from the Representatives of 9 States to be elected President. Before Hamilton intervened, the vote was 8-6 for Jefferson, with the two remaining states split down the middle and therefore not calling a vote. Assuming that Hamilton had perfect influence among Federalists, he could swing Georgia from Jefferson to Burr, trying the count at 7-7. He could then flip the one Federalist vote for Jefferson to Burr, breaking that tie and making it 8-7 for Burr. But that's still one vote short, and now every Federalist is voting Burr, so Hamilton has nothing left that he can do. In addition to flipping Georgia and Maryland, he'd need to get one of the D-R Representatives in Vermont to vote Burr, and that probably wasn't within his power.
On the other hand, if he wanted to swing the vote to Jefferson, he just needed to convince one Federalist in either Vermont or Maryland to change their vote. Which was very doable, as he proved by swinging both of those states to Jefferson, along with convincing Delaware and South Carolina to vote for "no candidate" rather than Burr.
Now, he may have swung the vote to Jefferson because he thought he'd make the better President, or because he was mad at Burr for the water/bank thing. That's also a narrative that fits the evidence. But the idea that he could have chosen Burr to be the next President, and made that happen through simply exercising his power within the Federalist party, appears to be a myth. There weren't enough Federalists in the right places to make that happen.
I have been waiting for this one since I found this channel
So back then everyone agreed that even threatening to deport immigrants is wrong and it ended Adams’s career whereas nowadays both parties are afraid to ever STOP deporting immigrants? Did I get that right?
The sedition act is what really ruined Adams. The deportation thing just seemed like an act of intimidation, which people didn’t like. Each party had certain immigrants that they liked and disliked, it just depended on where they were coming from. Federalists at the time just really didn’t like the French or Irish at the time.
So many more different variables go into the immigration issue now then back then. Even the overall population of the country now makes this more of a tenuous issue.
BRADY I’ve been waiting for this. You have delivered. Good lad
You should consider reacting to Drunk History
the story about banks// LMAO Burr's a savage
I've recently started binge-watching your Oversimplified reactions and when it comes to you skipping "It's Quiet Uptown" I feel like quoting his (sort-of) catchphrase:
"Dude ... So uncool."
I am sincerely hoping that you will indeed one day return to "It's Quiet Uptown" even if it's just to comment on how amazingly it was animated or on the relationship between Alexander and Elisa during this harsh period of time in their lives.
At the same time I did enjoy your reaction to this song, especially all of the commentary you had at the bit before Hamilton meets with Burr. When it comes to future videos, I would suggest you do "Your Obedient Servant" for one video and then put "Best of Wives" and the duel song in one video. And maybe "The World was Wide Enough" and the final song in one, though I'd prefer those to be separate as well as they both deserve their own video.
I think part of the reason he had nothing to really add to "It's Quiet Uptown" is because, as he's stated in the past, there's not a lot of information out there about Eliza and he's kind of already gone over Hamilton's handling of his affairs, motivations etc in many of his other videos, as well as, obviously, his sons death in the last video. So, historically speaking (which is why he's making these videos, to speak about some of the history behind the events that inspired them) its kind of already been covered or will be covered by a song that has a bigger key event.
I'm so happy these are back!!! I love these videos so much and I can't wait for when we hit the end! 😁😁
i literally watched a 25 min video at this point nothing is too long if it's you lmfao
Release the tear tape! 🤪 just kidding.
I think a fair amount of us shed tears at least once during some part of this show.
Actually, it's oddly ironic that Jefferson's personal vindictiveness may have hamstrung the country he helped create from the outset. He stopped a wise balance and check on the two highest offices in the land, which only corroded the republic at its foundation.
Do more Sam o nella
Or Sam o Nella out of context
Algoritm üçin biri
your tears aren't content, but don't be afraid to cry dawg its ok
So hype
I get skipping it’s quiet uptown. Heartbreaking
Love it, but still oof
this animation is a little 🍒🍓🍍🍉🥑🍊🍅🥭🍈🫐🍒🍑🍓
3rd!!!!!!!