How God of War Ragnarok was RUINED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ย. 2022
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The end is here. Is Ragnarok a step up? or a step down?
Or... both?
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Oh no. Look at all these contrarian snowflake haters think that they are right because of some random guy's negative review of a great game.
Boo hoo.
Stfu this game is amazing
curious but you should try out wh40k darktide
@@theskorpio1 "Oh no! Criticism! How scawy 😢"
@@george2p isn't the guy in video doing same
20 years ago climbing were cutscenes, 10 years ago climbing was ascending Mount Olympus, today it’s holding the circle button while moving the left analog stick.
If gow 1 was released in this time of cinematic gameplay, they would've literally forced us to climb kronos for 3 days or some sh*t
They literally changed it so that it doesn’t take a long time for the players to get there tho they really wanted to make us climb it ourselves at first. It just says so much about devs care in the past compared to now
i can't imagine going through Pandora's Temple with this tight close up camera angle
The sensitive snowflakes would be running to boycott GoW 1-3 if they released today
@@firepenguin38you mean liberals?
@@lowdistortion yes or anyone else who finds things sensitive like that. I understand maybe monitoring younger kids. Yes mainly liberals to answer that. Ever played Arkham city? I know it's off topic here, but I gurantee you they would complain about Talia or Catwoman and it the game could be patched now it would.... That is what I'm playing atm lol
Thor kinda felt underused for how badass he was and how he is basically a kratos if he was a tool for Zeus
The point about pseudo-interactive talking scenes resonates with me. People used to complain when every game wanted to be labelled "cinematic" by having lots of cutscenes and less gameplay. So they allowed you to walk around during cutscenes, but there often isn't anything meaningful you can do.
Worse yet you typically can't skip those types of "cutscenes".
useless cut scenes shouldn't exist
i miss the nostalgic feeling of playing videogames where it suddenly shifted into a cutscene like in jade empire or warcraft 3, where it took you out of the game engine for a minute and you were just as interested in the story being shown as you were in how they were animating it, walking simulator mode while you have to mash R1 or walk as an npc talks are fucking boring.
DMC 3 did it best, cutscenes at beginning and end of mission / post boss battle, inbetween is pure gameplay / puzzle solving, makes it really easy to jump in and play a good mission.
Yeah, both options suck but the latter one is worse because you can't even get up and get a drink or something while the cutscene plays out. You have to physically sit there and just hold up for 15 minutes. So awful for replaythroughs.
One thing I will always miss about the older Greek games is the sense of scale. That's the risk that comes with turning the game into a grounded "over-the-shoulder" style. You lose those dynamic levels like the Poseidon fight while climbing Gaia. Or the Chronos fight. It's a shame. Sometimes I imagine an alternate world where the Norse games were made in the gameplay engine of GoW3. That was the most polished game in the original trilogy. Still play it 12 years later!
Chronos fight? Kills foder enemies 5 minute QTE'S rinse repeat for 3 games nice 👍
Word makes me wanna play them again which I'll definitely do
@@javierduque7809 It wasn't just "fodder enemies and QTEs," that's a very shallow interpretation of the level. There was also lots of cool platforming involved. Yeah, there were fodder enemies, but the spectacle was really impressive and much more memorable than copy/pasted Troll ogres. There are many bosses in the GoW trilogy that had strategy/etc, not all of them were QTEs/fodder. Chronos was one of those QTE fights, but it was really memorable because the fight was whole level itself. You are literally climbing/platforming him.
RIGHT! There was not one set piece in this game half as cool as mount Olympus or hades.
@@javierduque7809 oh yeah because half of this game isn’t walking and listening to dialogue or watching a cutscene, just to then fight fodder enemies lol 😂
Ironwood felt like 4 hours for me. It just went on and on. Someone described the giant boss fight as a Kingdom Hearts boss fight and that’s pretty accurate
Even Ironwood felt like the Kingdom Hearts 2 prologue. No longer playing the main character, much more limited move set, you’re stuck with other characters you don’t have any attachment to, you have loads of cutscenes interrupting gameplay and you don’t really know where it’s going or why you’re there.
I am also one of those players who love GoW for the combat and doesn't care about the story so much. I finished GoW 2018 10 times, just for perfecting the entertaining combat. The Ironwood is one reason why I won't finish Ragnarok 10 times. That section just steals a whole evening from me on every playthrough. It is such a huge pain in the ass. I am sick of all those people solely consider GoW as a heartbreaking family drama... I WANT COMBAT AND GORE GODDAMIT!!! I hope they let us skip all that soap opera bullshit with the New Game+ update.
that would be synthetic man he has a wayy more brutal and harsh review on gow ragnarok
I completely agree. I absolutely hated this section on the game and I couldn't wait for it to End. Unless they make an option to skip the Atreus sections or at least Ironwood in New Game Plus, I don't ever see myself replaying the game.
@@joshalan5125 they shouldve kept the option to skip cutscenes like WTF is up with that anyways
I miss when Kratos had wings, he had a bow, Medusa's head. He had a huge arsenal of weapons. In this game the blades of chaos don't feel as brutal or strong like they did in the first 3.
Because will make the new axe toy look like shit which by default are, just comparing how kratos was Spiderman with baldes of chaos doing such brutal epic moments with it and now they try to pseudo replace it with just a fk axe it like making a secondary weapon of gow 2 or 3 the main weapon , a fk axe could never replace the blades of caos
@@jaotrx7163 Well damn lmao
@@jaotrx7163I mean the axe isn’t weak just cause you don’t like it. It went on par with mjolnir and froze its lightning, which I feel like is as good a feat as the blades ever got. Also for them being weaker, kratos is supposed to be holding back his strength, in the old games that dude was fucking pissed off tryna kill anything he could. Now he’s just tryna protect his son and so he purposely doesn’t use all his power cause he’d go bonkers. And with how cinematic the game is you can imagine they want the gameplay to be fairly lore accurate.
@@marcom9299he still rips the limbs off of his enemies,how does ripping a werewolf’s jaw off less forcefully than normal make you a better person
@@froginabucket7294 first of all in the 2018-2022 games he’s pretty much only killing in self defense and atreus’ defense. Also it’s not a about being a, “better person.” It’s about not losing himself in his anger and going too far.
The second mission with Atreus almost broke me.
Why bro
@@isaac-ga I don't remember, it was 3 months ago lol
@@jaake6019 I mean it wasn't that bad like u said it's argt ya kratos gameplay is better but Atreus section isnt bad
Is that the one in Ironwoods or whatever it is called? Playing through that segment made me doubt whether I would ever want to replay the game.
@@Tazza19931 ya that riding on a yatch section right? It's too long
Sorry this took so long, everyone. For some reason Sony didn't send me an early review copy!
OH REALLY!? I WONDER WHY!?
@@emojiko1124 😂😂😂😂😂
Oh no. Look at all these contrarian snowflake haters think that they are right because of some random guy's negative review of a great game.
Boo hoo.
@@emojiko1124 hahahahahahaha
I guess you're not popular enough or probably because you don't upload gaming walkthroughs or stream them idk why they didn't probably because you hated 2018 idk really know
It's nice to hear someone explain something you could feel intuitively the whole time through the game
The whole time I was playing..I was like…is this it? This doesn’t feel epic or Ragnaroky at all!
@The Unguided Millenial That's what happens when you rush the story by ending it in a second game rather than building up the story with a trilogy.
@@YEY0806 I don't think I could take 3 of these games. Maybe it is good they ended it in 2.
That’s how I felt after watching his 2018 video. I had just beat the game and just felt kind of bored. Whereas after each of the first 3 I usually played it over after beating it the first time.
You already felt that way but couldn’t communicate it even to yourself, so you need a talking head to do it for you. You’ve chosen a really bad head though.
These games are really lacking in the epic department, in gow1 you fight a giant sea serpent on a boat in the middle of a storm, in gow3 you fight poseidon and his seahorses while atop gaia and kratos always had to come up with some creative or unusual way to deliver the final blow. I understand 2018 and ragnarok trying to be more "personal" and "emotional" but these things are not mutually exclusive.
In Gow Ghost of Sparta You fight another Giant Sea Monster too and in Gow Chains of Olympus you fight a Giant Creature
This game legitimately made me question why it is rated M for mature.
Because it cusses and is violent
@@mosesmorales8601 Oooooo bad woordsss. It’s barely violent enough to be M you ain’t even killing people half the time
@@1CursedXD1 inappropriate language is one of the requirements for it to be rated m for mature dingus. And ripping people in half with the blades is a lil to violent for a child
@@mosesmorales8601 I mean GoW 3 was rated M because you disembowel people and monsters and literally rip off someone’s head with your bare hands and there are naked chicks and blood everywhere too. This game is as close to “fantasy violence” as it gets, boohoohoo someone said the F word.
@@1CursedXD1 😒
My only complaint is the story is SOFT
I expected something really dark & intense
Yeah. Story about brainless brawl stuff. A guy came from Greece to have a quiet life but the local Gods are so bored and without anything better to do so they going berserk against Kratos just for fun. Like wtf.
@@ps4games164 bruh, Odin has to be one a THE MOST FREAKIN TYPICAL "bad king"s in caucasian mythos 😂😂😂 his behavior matched his voice *too well* and Ive seen so many people defend the BS with "oh, thats how odin was REALLY like in norse mythos".... but.....
*why does that mean its Good and/or I Can't Think Its Utter Trash* ????? 🤔 it's a *GOD OF WAR* game lmaooooo
thats what happens when you hire marvel phase 4 writers lmao.
Yesss bro if atreas dies and we see kratos full of rage ready to destroy everything for vengeance maybe then the gamd was ac gonna be good,heck maybe even was gonna be good enough to be called GOD OF WAR GAME and fatherhood adventures
@@ps4games164 I literally just watched all the cutscenes for all three games as a refresher and that's literally not what happened at all
The part where you talk about Atreus being the root of all the problem we encounter on this game is probably intentional by the writers and game devs, he is afterall, loki, the god of mischief.
definitely not intentional
@Asistls lmao do you think they just tripped and their pen hit a piece of paper and coincidentally wrote the story?
@@StinkyBuster No, but when Santa Monica decided to go from 3 games to 2, it seems they cut Tyr and Giants out of the story altogether... The Giants are pretty useless (they seem to depend on knowledge of the future and like ostriches bury their heads in the sand instead of joining up with the other realms to oppose the Aesir; this is probably the section of the painting at the end of the 1st game which shows Faye arguing with the other giants) and Angrboda, with all her talk of unchangeable fate is made to look like a fool by the Norns, so much so that first Faye and then Atreus have to turn away from their sheer uselessness to attempt to combat the Aesir tyranny. The scene with the Norns invalidates a lot of choices made earlier and consequently much of the story elements linked to it.
A weak point. These things were destined to happen. He expresses a couple times that he wants to help people by stopping ragnarok. He doesn’t want to stop it just cause. Mayo completely left out the good nature/ intentions of a lot of the actions Atreus takes purely because he doesn’t like the Norse era. Atreus is aggravating sometimes but to make it seem like he wanted to fight just cause is ridiculous and disingenuous. The realms were literally under OPPRESSION. And he freed what he thought was tyr. Who’s a good guy. In order to give the nine realms a good chance against the aesir. Bruh will go from making a good point to making the worst point ever
@@inirs08 Crazy because in Marvel they fight Aesir all the Time and Are Formidable and Ymir I think is even compared to Odin( In Marvel Odin has the Odin Force) In power.
The OG trilogy will always be the best
it's incredibly funny how the camera angle is supposed to be for immersion and yet to compensate for all the problems with it they give you floating indicator arrows that hover around your waist
Feel like one good addition would be if instead of wait time, runic attacks are filled by consecutive hits from weapons. So instead of just waiting around to use a powerful attack players are focused on combos and rewarded with a powerful attack. Still love the game tho
Combat balanced around a mechanic where you build your runic attacks through combat would be a lovely direction.
There's really no incentive to just 'wait around' though. In normal fights mobs will swarm you so you might as well thin the herd with your normal attacks, and (mini)bosses are usually very aggressive. It's not like players can just backpedal/turtle and wait for their runic attacks to become usable.
@@Jerry-dx3cb Yes, players can just wait for the runic attacks to become usable again. I'm one of them, and just spam them as I rotate weapons for boss fights because I want to get through the story faster instead of spending time and effort in the part of the game I am not interested in.
@@keanuxu5435 so you're not interested in the gameplay... which is the main part of the game
@@Slavic_Snake No. I was only interested in the dev's version of Norse Mythology, which is great and refreshing.
I absolutely love God of War 2018 and Ragnarok, but this video does have legitimate and valid critiques.
I'm honestly surprised with how many positives he had about Ragnarok as well. I even agreed with some of his criticisms. Definitely thought he was just going to rant. Glad he made it more impartial.
@Andrew Espinosa Yeah, I agree. So I question why there are still fanboy dumbassess in the comment sections still complaining that this is a whiny, ranty critique with no points made. It's even more hilarious that some are getting so pent up about Mayo thinking he was being referenced by the game since this dude has actually made podcasts with game directors and personally has given feedback that other devs took seriously, and yet they say it's proof his a narcissist.
Smh, if you're gonna come to already hate and not actually watch the video, then go away or otherwise don't be surprised when people only take your hate comment as a hate comment.
I doubt that
And when i say things like he did people attack me in every damn gow video because i butthurt everyone ( like always)
Finally good thread. No stubbornness from either side. He made valid points, but it depends on the player what they enjoy. No game is perfect for everyone. And true is totally different from og trilogy.
Where is all the scale? We use to climb giants and bring them down uniquely. It’s like they’re scared of a large battle with a large enemy.
In God of War 2 Trailer Kratos is Fighting Two Giant Enemies
"Brodie or whatever his name is"
That set off a bunch of people lol mission accomplished
Never felt this conflicted about a game before. I actually really like the additions and improvements made to the combat. The problem for me is just how frequently the gameplay is interrupted in favour of the story. I would never call it a bad game but my god it's so pretentious at times.
It's a fuckin GOW game with a disney or marvel template. When I met odin for the first time in Ragnarok I was like wtf? This is Odin? This is how Odin sounds and talks? Wtf am I playing?
Then the fact as soon as I get into Kratos learning/unlocking new stuff upgrading etc I have to play as annoying ass Atreus? I buy GOW to play as Kratos not anyone else. If they want me to play a different character then do a whole different game where I play as that character. Dont integrate playing a different character other than Kratos in GOW.
@@nucklehead718 truth
@@nucklehead718 haha than never play tlou2 after you played tlou1 😅😅
@@chaTzon I have played tlou loved it. Heard and saw the bs they did in tlou2 so I didnt bother playin it.
@@FourLionsClips ty
its so colorful and plays like a movie, the game is really boring and doesn't have the grit that the ps2/3 era games brought
The arrogance required to think a big budget flagship series is including digs at one specific youtuber is astounding
Multiple god of war personalities are referenced in Ragnarok. It's not far fetched to think that a scene that exactly recreates a montage from a GOW critique that has 750,000 views is a reference too.
@@underthemayo it's extremely far fetched actually, and I don't remember other youtubers getting referenced in the game
@@dogico I talk about it in my follow up video about Atreus. Black Thunder has appeared as an easter egg. I believe Kaptain Kuba is in something, I don't remember.
@underthemayo Mayo, I mean this in the best way, but I think you're severely overestimating how important your opinion is to the GOW writers. 😂
it's just a theory... a game theory :)
He is right about the quick turn animation glitch. It continues to happen after the patch. Very frustrating when the weapon of choice is switched out unexpectedly.
In 2030 all movies will be called games cuz randomly devs would insert "Press X to lift log" and "Press F to Pay Respects". And it will win Game of the Year and Oscar at the same time.
We've really lowered the bar in terms of what fits the definition of a game...
That would be pretty shit honestly not being able to just watch a movie instead you have to press a button to watch it.
Today these games directors just want to make a movie, I mean game to gain awards
I hope you don’t mean that gow is in that category because it’s a lot more than button smashing QTE to trigger the next cutscene
Idiocracy really wasn't just any movie
I watched Jacksepticeye's playthrough and even he being a chill guy was angry at the clunky camera and characters not shutting up during puzzles or combat encounters.
Also I'm surprised Mayo didn't compare the Ragnarok war with Immora from the Doom Eternal DLC.
I was thinking the exact same thing while playing the final mission lol
The camera is honestly one of my biggest problems with the new games, I miss the old games camera it worked much better
True on both fronts
I hate that troll man.
Yeah, the camera was annoying especially for the second part of the Odin boss fight with Atreus and Freya.
It feels so good to see someone to give a fairly honest review for a game that is pack full of overly bias fanbase
Thought I was the only one who saw through the triple a psyop
“Overly bias fanbase”? You mean people who like the game because it’s fantastic?
@@royaltyfree9607 you can say you think the game is fantastic and that’s fine. But to assume the game is fantastic is a fact is just wrong and anyone can claim the opposite with the same amount of evidence
But the mAsTerPIecE.....
@@royaltyfree9607 fine for you.its a very nice game.but no god of war.thats all we say and hate.just took the gow title and make a NEW GAME!
a thing that i really dislike is when i don't block once or do something and they say like "what good is the shield if you don't use it!" "the arrows!" like, kratos in no dummie, and i feel like they're calling me dumb when i don't some attack or something
another thing, when you lock on an enemy and it runs so i gotta control my camera to look at it again and click R3 to lock again
I hope we get rid of NPC hints soon. Hand holding is a failure of game design! These developers should never make assumptions about the player. It's one of the most basic fundamentals of gaming.
True
The backseat gaming was so annoying.
I honestly just wish there was a way to turn it off, like they do with all the other accessibility stuff
Preach
True, but when you take too long to do something, that’s when NPC hints start getting reasonable.
@@personperson1254 nah, they do it after basic actions consistently.
Its baffling how you cannot skip cutscenes when there are other story driven cinematic games like Witcher 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 that allow you to skip dialogue and cutscenes.
It’s weirder considering they updated God of war 2018 to be able to skip cutscenes and have new game plus. I mean the old games you couldn’t skip them either but this one is significantly longer so it’s kinda a problem. Hopefully they update it
Its because the whole point is to see the game in one fluid cut, breaking u0 the scenes would go against that
@@VarinderBhandal then it's probably a day one edition that forces players to watch the cutscenes and experience the game as they intended - as their interactive cinematic "experience", and speedrunners can have their fun next year.
my brother in christ its a story driven game, thats the strongest part of it, why the fuck do you want to skip the cut scenes
@@glyph__ exactly!!!!!!!
Playing Ragnarok reminded me how much better God of War 3 was.
Honestly the sections where you play as atreus and the absolute padding of the side quests makes me not wanna play the game again bc its like OMG i gotta sit through all these parts I hate
Yeah NG+ is a hard pass for me.
The biggest mistake with these Norse GoWs was the camera. Up close over-the-shoulder makes the entire game feel stiff and combat suffers greatly from it. It works for games like Resident Evil and Gears of War but not for action games imo.
Is it just me or does Freya’s hair keep getting in the way during combat?
They are tripping, they could have atleast did this for certain points when characters bond or etc. They could have mixed the traditional camera but want to grab folks emotions too much
I hate how the axe is the only weapon that gets unique light and heavy attacks when the weapon is sheathed (or on the ground somewhere). I like being able to switch between the weapons in combat and it would've been cool if they added that feature to the blades and spear as well
I agree but I think it’s just because of the controls and there is not enough buttons for blades of chaos without it being annoying
Could be that your axe is actually thrown and recalled… the blades and the spear are kinda stuck to you via the chain and the ring on your finger for the spear. Like, even though you’re throwing the spear, it’s technically still in your hand lol. I agree though, like an L2 throw quickly followed by a light or heavy attack giving an additional unique attack would’ve been DOPE!
I mean...you throw the axe at people and it needs to come back to you. The spear and the blades of chaos don't do that.
@@mickeybat5816 true. I'd argue you could either just punch with em in hand or just be able to sheath em.
Also now the only weapon with stance attacks. The blades and bare handed stances were taken out while not giving any stance to the spear to begin with.
The end of this game was very underwhelming. I thought we were leading up to a great ending but it was another game of thrones let down
Ironwood and Angrboda make me think that this game isn’t worth ‘Game of the Year’ anymore.
This game is the result of making a game for everyone. Then the game suffers terribly.
Play it. Might change your opinion.
@@blakseed I have it and I am forcing myself to finish it.
@@secretmulletman7984 Don't.
Play good old PS2 games. :^)
@@595no agreed
@@blakseed he’s right. I’m playing these games since 2005 and never been this disappointed in a God of War game since. Hell this was almost as disappointing as R&C remake.
I really liked the video.
It's always nice to see you go into detail about game systems and seeing what works and what doesn't, along with your explanations for what you look for in these sorts of games.
Third-person action games with over the shoulder cameras are very common in the triple A industry (cinematic or otherwise), and it made sense when you explained the difference between Kratos’s gameplay and Atreus’s gameplay in Ragnarok.
I can also understand your points about the unskipable Atreus sections, plus the platforming sections with no possibility to fall off the cliff, either accidentally or on purpose.
I myself have vivid memories of how challenging platforming sections could be in Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. Those sections were a pain to get past but satisfying when you figured out what to do.
Though, I did think that the bar fight was a tiny bit charming at the time.
Me and bros always laughed in Prince of Persia when we'd die and the main character would go "no no no no, that's not how it happened" always cracked us up for some reason. Its the small things man!
Yeah shut up no one cares
28:05. Thank you. Jesus fucking Christ. This game should be called God of Puzzles. I don't know why nobody ever brings it up in reviews but the amount of puzzles in this game is beyond frustrating
My main problem was the staging of the worlds, which in my opinion was a great strength of the predecessor.
In the previous one in Alfheim, you got into a boat and sailed on this beautiful lake, and gradually worked your way towards the light.
In Ragnarok, you're just teleported into a desert nobody knew about.
It was fun exploring the desert but it felt kind of random and weird.
I think it’s that this game is missing the series’ signature “slow reveal/unlocking of a huge environments or obstacle”.
Like how the old games were or how the 2018 one centered around Tyr’s temple and the Lake of the Nine. Little by little through environmental puzzles, and feats of strength you’d unlock the way forward where’s in Ragnarok you’re mostly always just going down these corridors with no overarching connection.
That desert no one knew about WAS the lake it’s gone due to fumble winter.
@@carsonshoe4532 oh
@@carsonshoe4532No it’s behind the lake / temple.
@@kartoffelchip4490it isn’t the lake
It actually cracked me up about how pissed you got at the Angrboda and jotunheim section of the game.
But after a while of playing that part and hearing that 5 times already, I wanted to just end the game then and there.
I probably already requested this, but would u do a review on the 2011 Warhammer 40k Space Marine game? I think you'll enjoy it's hack and slash + third person shooter vibe.
Space marine is cool. I played it a couple hours. But like a lot of games I just kinda see why people like it and lose interest. I don't have much to say.
@@underthemayo fair enough
if nost space marine i think he could critique Darksiders series as it is one of the underrated series with the same genre of GoW (though it has drastic changes between games)
because the more popular it is the more you dislike it, elitism
What if you had the Atreus sections start in his favour and quickly become something Kratos should be able to do, but Kratos is not around. Actually having to struggle as Atreus would make you appreciate Kratos. If Atreus were to recognize how difficult it was and even grow from his experiences, maybe he would be a better character. Use the gameplay to reflect the character's struggle and have them grow
Believe me when I say, it definitely felt like those sections were made with GMGOW in mind. It is a struggle when playing as Atreus on that difficulty.
He's correct about not wanting to play it again. There's noway in hell I want to do the Atreus missions again.
This game left me with more questions than answers. And the questions that I did have were never answered.
Check me out. Maybe i can help out. Mayne. Idk
Thats cause writing an ending is hard alot ppl dont know how to. It takes a brilliant writer to answer every question left by them
WHO BLEW THE FUCKING HORN
@@matthewlugo2417 I’m not expecting every question to be answered. I just don’t want more being piled on while continuing to be so vague about what we wanted answered.
@Kiweel Tyler i get that, im not saying it cant be done im just saying it takes good writer to be able to clean up as it were
The story is incredible up until about when Heimdall dies… I was so invested in the story I didn’t want to put the controller down, then it becomes a bit lackluster imo. Ragnarok was hyped up astronomically in gow 2018 as “the twilight of the gods” … “the end and the beginning” but in reality it was a 30 min skirmish. I do love how they concluded Kratos arc however, and thought the final 10 minutes or so picked things back up. All in all a great game but it definitely would have been better as a trilogy
I don’t understand how it took them 4-5 years to release basically a dlc of the 2018 game. Maybe they could’ve done a trilogy if it wasn’t going to take them over a decade.
I think what we're looking at though is not twilight of the gods and that we'll look at this as maybe the end of the beginning of the first trilogy of an overarching story and why they cut this to 2 games vs. 3 so it won't push out to 20 years. I think the tear in Odin's workshop area is a bigger reveal or has something to do with the story's actual endgame. Odin / Ragnarok isn't the final boss anymore than Zeus was, which is why this story feels less like a conclusion because it's not...they have a bigger overall story arch they're working on that will play out over future years.
There are some glaring plot holes in this game, one even in the very beginning where Kratos refuses Odins peace deal (which gets himself killed btw). There is a diary entry trying to fill that hole by saying the terms are unacceptable, but they actually aren't.
@@spacejunk2186 Given Kratos bias against Gods and their words, it would be unbelievable if Kratos actually took a peace deal and trusted Odin.
@@spacejunk2186 looks like somebody forgot about Kratos’ past. He will never make a deal with a god after what he went through. Never again
One of my complaints with this game was how Ragnarök suddenly falls into place:
1. Freyr disappears for a while and suddenly Alfheim agrees to go to war with Asgard.
2. The pig guy goes away and voila, we have Helheim with us.
3. No one talks to Jormungamdr but he too suddenly shows up to the fight.
4. Sif is incredibly polite for someone who's losing her realm and home.
5. No boss fight between Thor and Jormungamdr. It's just this bleak cutscene which I didn't even notice.
6. Most important! Kratos isn't even being a general in the final fight. He's not leading any army, he's just in single combat pretty much the whole time.
7. The purpose of the mask is not explained, and so breaking it felt confusing and wrong. But it's Atreus who did it, so I guess it's okay!
8. And the Giants never left their marbles to fight with Odin. Why?? It's so bizarre that Atreus kept them in his pocket the whole time when he should've brought them back to life for Ragnarök.
The whole finale seemed... Easy.
this is so true
also don't forget about Surtur who just agrees too easily to help cause Ragnarok. I expected a boss fight with him when he first pushed Kratos away, but no, he has nothing to live for
moreover he has the heart of his lover (forgot her name), so no sacrifice is needed, how convenient
Even Kratos is aware of this and says "this feels too easy" right before we fight two easy valkyries that served zero purpose to the story
@@suhaib9001 He says it feels too easy because he expected Odin to try and stop them. Which turns out to be true.
Though I do agree that it felt a bit rushed at the end.
Yea, it was pretty dissapointed
Did Ragnorok even happen
@@suhaib9001 at first, ngl, I thought Odin was disguised as Surtr because how easily he was convinced. I was also expecting a boss fight, but it seemed too easy. The ending did feel rushed. We didn’t even get Surtr do damage to Asgard, he was just in the background
Good vid, my biggest problem with Ragnarok was the removal of the Barehanded skill tree.
the combat in general especially the combos felt too samey imo
Bruh, I am not a fan of GoW Ragnarok either, but I don't know what the kind of twisted standard that you have is like if the lack of a barehanded skill tree is your biggest problem with the game.
@@ShadowbannedAccount ok, what was your issue with it then lol?
I personally prefer the combat system from god of war 2018 than ragnarok
@@ShadowbannedAccountyour main gripe with the game was a lack of an entire skill tree and the watering down of the unarmed combat? Bruh well my biggest gripe was the story took too much time with giving characters development and how Kratos isn’t yelling every five minutes, what a twisted standard you have bruh.
Your biggest issue with the game should be MY biggest issue!!!!! Fuck you for enjoying the game >:(
The Atreus sections were the worst thing in GOW Rag 🙄 we need to be able to skip those
Fair and good points. I like that you point out the areas which you consider flawed and take effort to demonstrate it from footage from the game. Really appreciate it. Also, I like that you, unlike many others also show the games strengths instead of just trash talking about the game. Showing downsides with objective analysis lets us see a perspective and decide for ourselves whether we play the game or not.
What I have learned though from not only from this game, but also from 2018 and others, if you want to enjoy the games best moments, you also need to be able to tolerate the worst parts. That kinda sucks but there is no perfection.
Older games were waaaaay stronger in the gameplay department, such a shame.
Y'all really need to take off the rose tinted nostalgia glasses, this is just delusional. The combat system in the modern series obliterates the OG trilogy
@@b1thearchitect401 big disagree here. Variety and incentive to play well were present. Many different moves to chose, aerial combat, xp/blood mechanic with reward based on performance. Until yesterday it has been 10 years since i touched the originals, and yesterday i played them again (1,2) and realised that although not perfect, the old combat system is LEAGUES more fun, deep and intense. Im not even a hardcore fun of the series and even i can see that. Not saying the new games are bad, people like/love for a reason, but they do not TOUCH the old ones as hack and slash/character action games (however you call them).
@@thanospavel9970 You're completely and utterly ignoring the feel of the combat, which is massively less impactful and powerful in the old games, IMO the chains feel like they were barely making contact with enemies and minus the quick time event kill animations, those games had pretty floaty and low impact combat. Also while there might be mechanical incentives to encourage engaging with the deeper combos and mechanics, I rarely if ever found myself in those games actually using it, those games were tough, and there were a few blade combos that just felt objectively better than everything else, so you end up spamming to survive really tough encounters. In practice, I find GOW 2018 & Ragnarok, I actually use the full suite of moves available a LOT more often. - I'll give you credit though, both you and the creator of this video have a good point in regards to a combo system, I actually think a skill based reward system for high level play would work great in the new series and I'm kind of surprised they don't have it. I guess the increased focus on narrative means they don't want to alienate shitty players lol. But I'm happy the high difficulty settings are still VERY challenging and the game doesn't just purely cater to casual Uncharted fans.
@@b1thearchitect401 i fully agree with everything. I too always thought that the sounds in the originals could have been a lot more satisfying. And yes, i do remember some instances where the combat devolves to mashing (unless you are playing on higher difficulties but not many people do that on their first playthrough).Also, it is true that harder difficulties do make 2018 and Ragnarok even more fun (haven't played Ragnarok since it's not out on pc yet so I'm just assuming). I usually don't like Very slow paced games but 2018 was a good game. I can certainly say that the people that made it and Ragnarok have passion.
@@thanospavel9970 I don't mean to rag on the OG trilogy, as I think especially GOW3 still holds up as a really fun and still graphically impressive game, but yeah the main mechanical reason I prefer the new series is the FAR crunchier, heavier feel to combat. The Leviathan axe particularly just feels fucking awesome IMO (The new spear weapon actually feels powerful af too). Ragnarok is a big step from 2018 in terms of enemy encounter design and variety, as well as combo depth and variety. Definitely give it a shot when it inevitably comes to PC.
Gotta say this review was a lot more fair than I thought it was
Maybe on paper but the way he comes across a whiny little baby
He holds back as much as kratos does in this game
He doesn't want 2019 review backlash again 🤣
@Mike C besides the atreus thing he's got valid criticisms especially about the story pacing. It can get in the way when I want to enjoy the ganeplay which he acknowledged how much they improved upon. Not as unhinged as his gow 2018 review so I wouldn't feel some type of way about this one
@@lukelmaooooopeople tend to point and laugh at takes they disagree with, without considering the video as a whole and the context behind it. 'Bad take' is pretty meaningless here
Finished the game the other day after avoiding all reviews and today I was like ‘how sad is Mayo? Let’s go find out….’ Great honest review, something that greatly helped my enjoyment of the combat was the addition of gyro aim, since my right thumb lacks dexterity and I normally have to play games on easier difficulties. I went in on ‘challenge’ difficulty for half the game, until multiple enemy encounters frustrated me with cheap hits and I went down to balance. So I agree wholeheartedly with your combat critique and the padding. Thanks for the enlightenment and entertainment Mayo!
I still prefer the original trilogy and the PSP games over 2018 and Rangnarok
Same
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Yea like ten fold. I could not even beat 2018. Stay up and God bless.
Same
I enjoyed the game. Though when I swapped over to Atreus part of the game I felt myself wanting to go back to Kratos' side of the story, it felt to me like there was a lot of hand holding with Atreus and no chance of dying. And towards the end I felt as though the story fell apart a wee bit. Still a great game, visually amazing
That's because Atreus sucks as a character and has caused the story to do a complete nose dive from its original story. Atreus is single handedly one of the most repetitive and annoying characters to deal with. He is the jar jar binx of gow and many of the long time fans would agree
I like Atreus fighting and then i got to the moment during the end where he turns into a bear to protect Sindri. His rage meter doesn’t go down until all the enemies are gone. I realized that that the game will do that type of trick everytime they don’t want you to die or fail.
I listened to podcast or background noise during some Atreus segments, they really slow the game down at inconvenient moments.
@@BphillipsARthat only happens for two moments, when he first turns into a wolf and when he turns into a bear. I think they do it because they just want to show off the power, even if you never actually use the bear again, which sucks.
@@theantsaretakingover yes, it’s essentially a playable cutscene. They want you to go apeshit
I kept waiting for the game to start. Until I noticed I was 75% through the main story.
I also don’t like how Kratos looked with full metal armor, but you can actually change the appearance of your armor without changing the stats and boosts
How?
@@SBeh-yq7crfully upgrading armor will allow you to make it look like other armors while keeping you're stats
I’ve been playing GOW since 2006 and I just beat Ragnarok on GMGOW difficulty. I think it’s the last installment that I’m going to bother playing. I just got so sick of them saying “No, please! We don’t want to fight you!” and the writing in general. The entire game felt like one long feel-good group therapy session. And the end battle of Ragnarok itself in Asgard felt like it was 5 minutes with an extremely lame boss fight with Odin at the end.
Atreus was giving me Steven vibes from Steven Universe.
"Preach non-violence against the violent, always reaching out to the literal genociders and abusers because it's good"
This game should be directed by Zack Snyder.
They should have never introduced thrud and sif. All thrud does in the game is flirt with atreus. Drunk thor scene was so unnecessary. When i saw it i was like ,"when did gow become like this". Humour is justifiable in the game but not excess of it. Gow games need to be bit serious than this. Odin talks way to modernly . In actual norse mythology aesir are very loyal to eachother. Thor and kratos fight was one of the most anticipated fights in gaming. But the hype was for nothing. The beginning of the game was really good, thor reviving kratos and trying kratos to bring him back to his older self. Everyone wanted kratos v thor 1v1 deathbattle. They showed that thor was bloodlusty(less then kratos) . It took kratos 7 seven games to change and you tell me thor was convinced by kratos under 3 sec talk? It's okay if kratos didn't keep mjolnir because its moveset would be very similar to leviathan axe. But what disappoints is that kratos didn't even lift mjolnir by his hands once. Instead game showed that he was struggling to lift it even though he swung mjolnir with his chain. But wanted kratos to bash thor's head with the hammer. Odin bossfight was a joke. First thor fight was good. Second thor fight was good but short, it should have been a deathbattle. Last important thing is that they were supposed to show strongest version of kratos in this game because cory said old kratos is stronger than young kratos. But in the game kratos said that when he was young he wielded every flavor of power imaginable and said he lost most of his powers after gow 3. And cory wont even say how old kratos is more strong meanwhile the game is telling us that he is not that powerful now. How are we supposed to believe that he is more powerful than his younger self. They didn't show anything big. We know kratos was holding back as already stated in the game. But we already saw dad of boi we wanted to see god of war.
@@blackmask5335 I understand wanting to see young Kratos again, but that would just be gow 3 all over again. We know what happened and how it negatively affected Kratos. Why would he do that to himself again?
@@blackmask5335 Even the character designs themselves were lackluster imo. I honestly enjoyed the fan art of the some of the characters than what we got from the end product. Also with the writing, everything just seems so much more preachy and annoying. There literally wasn’t a single scene where I didn’t roll my eyes during the dialogue.
Have to Say I agree with allot of this. My main issues was how the game would not let me drop down or climb certain things that you should be able to. Also Damage sponge enemies were another issue. The compass was also a real pain at times. Lifting Rocks got really old and felt pointless along with going Through tight spaces.
I dont want to replay this game only because of Ironwoon that section could have been 2 hours at MOST.
The original God of War Saga (PS2-PS3 + the PSP games) all felt very original, daring, something you didn't have anywhere else, not even in other competitors like Nintendo or Xbox could you find this. It was like a crazy mix of Doom with all the gore, Devil May Cry/Ninja Gaiden with the combos and a rich and captivating story like Halo (Halo is more beautiful and tragic rather than gruesome and tragic but still). Where as the reboot (2018 and Ragnarok) just feel like any other movie/walking simulator Sony puts out. Visually, it might look amazing, but playing isn't as different as playing any other Triple A game in modern times, compared to how different the original felt to anything else
The new ones to me are essentially "what if we made Last of Us but with the God of War paintjob"
@@icebearnicho8256 Yahtzee coined the term Ghost Train Ride games.
Let's not pretend like God of War could ever hold a candle to Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden in terms of combat.
@@DeadEndScreamer When did I ever say it was close, better or worse? Literally didn't say that at all lmao. All I said was that it was a mix of those things, never said it was literally DMC, close, worse or better than it. People like you have these weird debates you make up in your head lol
I would say the opposite, the old ones are not super original, the hack and slash genre was supper popular back in the days, is just that god of war (and DMC) were the best in the genre by far. If you truly believe that God of War 2018 is just another walk simulator, oh boy you are very wrong, an story driven game that combines action combat, and actually works well and is not trying to be just another open world game (I'm looking at you AC origins/odyssey/Valhalla) with new technology and no loading screens, I mean, theres a reason why God of War 2018 blew everyone's mind when it came out.
So, God of War (the old games) was not super original, it was just better than it's competitors, you are just being BIASED.
P.D.: I myself grew up with this saga, I have played all the games (except for ragnarok for now) even god of war betrayal. Just let the fanchise grow up, mature you are probably no longer a kid, it's normal.
I realize now once the last of us came out and did successfully alot of studio saw that and relazied what if we made our games less of a game and more like a movie. I enjoy 2018 and ragnarok seem look but the gameplay for these games to me feels off compared to the older the games. Story wise I enjoy kratos development from ascension to ragnarok but gameplay wise they should have suck with the older combat and build aopn it hell ubi use the same parkour system for multiple game but once they change it everyone was wondering why. The older system works it up to the developers to mix things up because if it ain't broken don't fix it
Agreed. The success and impact of Last of Us is definitely a gift & curse.
Gamers will never be happy. If they change it up like with GoW 2018/Ragnarok, they'll say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but when they don't innovate like in CoD, they'll say they're milking the formula smh lol.
@@Axxxel_in_Harlem Gamers are diverse, just like movie fans, and movie fans are the most basic guaranteed money pumping to cater to
Asgard wall could be like pandoras temple
I hate how they treat Kratos. Everyone talks down to him, the writers nerfed the f out of him and he's constantly being upstaged by his extremely boring son.
How was Kratos nerfed? Didn’t he beat the previously untouchable Heimdall? He bodied Thor who towers over him. Just in the last game he flipped Tyr’s temple!
@@thatoneguy1232 He would've never struggled with someone like Heimdall in Greece.
@@codafett what do you mean? Kratos struggled a lot. He even died a few times😂. And no one in Greece had abilities quite like Heimdall’s. And even then, when Kratos got that hit in, it was all over for him. Are you just misremembering these things or what?
Are you missing the young kratos who would fight the gods fiercely, or kratos who would do stupid shit that YOU want him to do.. understand then talk.
@@BJ4lmao What?
You know what, Under the Mayo? I REALLY liked this review despite being negative about your previous one(about GoW 2018). It's well structured, with fair criticism and interesting suggestions on how to solve and/or allieviate some of its flaws, even acknowledging this games strengths. Bravo.
Thanks.
b-but the ultrakill community already owned him, surely that means that every opinion of his is now invalid.
@@acethemain7776I mean the ultrakill community ultimately lost because there’s now actual benefits to doing well in ultrakill part 2.
I love ultrakill, but not everything the fandom thinks is right and the devs showed that
@@britzmann Did you even watched the video? ☠️
@@underthemayo Tbh I'm just sad that I can't play it lol
I think the reason why they made the Atreus sections so easy was to help speed up the section. Imagine his sections actually being difficult and the player struggling and possibly dying and having to repeat levels... They probably knew how boring the sections were but instead of removing or changing them, they just made them "easy" to get through.
I dunno, I think it may have backfired. If it had some challenge maybe players would have been more engaged
I think Atreus was a fully powered up character right from the get go.. the animation cancel speed, turn speed etc.. whereas Kratos gets there in the end after the process of levelling up...
non sense. Just make Atreus sections good so no one is wanting to speed up and you don't have to even worse by making easier
I prefer a struggle over a breeze. They were fun but there wasn't enough challenge
That makes no sense
The best parts of God of War are the parts that focus on Kratos. You'd literally have to be Santa Monica Studio not to understand that.
18:20 lmaaoooo there is no way this guy actually thinks the dev gives a flying shit about him💀
Kratos won’t fuck you, calm down ogre
Actually they probably did watch his review considering they’ve commented on others.
Doubt it
@@l-shadow1775 They’ve commented on less reviewed vids.
Also the “whatever” thing was a meme within the GoW community anyway.
Lmao so spot on for the angrboda mission w Loki, that call she does was painful every time
the axe literally flies back to when you trigger a take down animation you have footage of that
The agraboda section was torture. I dropped the game for a good minute. It was SO bad.
I feel like they should have done what devil may cry did with the camera. Have it so that off-screen enemies wont hit you with melee attacks until they step in view.
Then my question would be why even implement this type of AI mechanic in the game? What you’re doing is creating fake tension for players that don’t know about this fact. The better solution would be to improve the camera and not only does it not create fake tension but you increase the challenge of every combat encounters. We should be fixing the root of the problem, not creating different mechanics just to put a bandage on the issue which can so easily be abused by the player
@@jesspeed this isnt new dead space had the same idea where enemies were docile untill you had the cemra pointed at them
@@jesspeed While enemy won't initiate an attack off-screen, DMC had it camera so far away that getting enemy out-of-view is actually harder than just keeping them on screen, and enemy is fast enough to get in view even if you tried to keep them out. Moreover, DMC combat heavily relies on the Lock on system to execute moves that require motion-input like High-time so enemies will be on-screen either way. The only time we can really abuse this system is when playing as V since he doesn't really fight.
But the most important part is that the camera system is ignored by bosses, so it doesn't really matter to keep them out of view.
they kinda do that, enemies behind you are less aggressive
I actually like the camera in GOW. There are prompts to make you aware of incoming attacks off camera. Pulling the camera way back like in the old games might help, but I prefer it the way it is. It would be jarring to aim your axe throws or bow shots from a further perspective, not to mention that you’d be missing out on the incredible details and overall brutality of the combat. My tip for anyone struggling with the camera is to never use the lock-on feature and increase the sensitivity of the right stick so you can swing the camera around quicker. There is no reason to lock onto enemies (I feel like they only added it to the game to appease people who would’ve whined about it otherwise). You can even attack enemies around you by using the left stick. Not sure why the reviewer seems to believe that the enemies have to be directly in front of Kratos to attack them; simply untrue.
DMC is an awesome game too, but this is a different game. Just remember the fundamentals; take care of ranged enemies early, don’t allow yourself to get pushed against a wall, and don’t mash buttons without expecting to get punished for it.
I personally think DMC3’s camera style did it best: some fixed camera combat, and most combat encounters with a smart camera that automatically adjusts to the action (sort of like ninja gaiden) but gives you the option to move it around if you so please. I think this game would’ve been really cool to have that sort of camera as an option
DMC3 is one of my favorite games ever. Spot on
it has rooms where the camera can be frustrating though, but most of the time yes
Wait a sec, I just realised Assassin's Creed games did that, too. Free, behind-your-back camera for roaming and a higher, wider camera for combat.
@@roadroad1695 What game doesn't?
It also had the low key feature of enemies in front of you attacking.
Ones behind had a way lower rate.
I agree with everything you’re saying. To me, this game is super boring and the way you control KRATOS is super annoying, I got to the part where you fight Alva, turned it off and haven’t played it since, honestly a waste of 70.00. A big fan of 1, 2 and 3, these reboots just suck.
Alva?
Not even gonna bother playing it even if offered free and in the meantime, I continue playing old games.
My biggest complaint with Thor and Odin is that they don't come off as who they are. Besides the hammer Thor has no presence or threat level to him. Odin comes off more as a strange crazy knowledge seeker. I wasn't expecting Odin to look mighty and impressive but considering what we were told I was expecting the ancient sorcerer type of character who was obsessed with having all the secrets of the universe to himself. That he was the only one to get them and that he didn't trust his family believing they were against him for the knowledge. Thor is hinted at having more to his character but it's never shown, rather we are constantly told by Thrud and Sif.
Heimdalh is not really a moment where I felt the original Kratos. If anything the entire situation around Heimdalh everyone supported Kratos killing him, even Mimir was behind the idea, which made the head trying to stop him bizarre. Kratos claiming he was slipping into his old ways made me scratch my head because Kratos gets nowhere near the level of who he was, even at a God of War 2 level. If anything it seemed more like the story was actually pushing Kratos to become that person again but without the consequences of what that would mean.
Thor comes off like a beaten dog trapped in a corner
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Agreed. It annoyed me how he couldn't think or stand up for himself.
@@calvinm1866 that's the point, it's to show how Odin can so easily manipulate people.
His wife Even said how Odin sees his family only as tools.
@@ItsjustTNT123 Yeah.....I played the game, dude.
God you people are so dense
I don't know how to feel about Atreus's sections of the game. I played it on GMGOW on my first playthrough and instead of being easy it became annoying and stressful because the little amount of damage he does and the overwhelming amount of fights that you have to go through, at least Kratos has some slow paced sections with some puzzles on the side, but Atreus is just fight after fight after fight nonstop over and over, there is even this really cute and wholesome scene of Atreus and Angrboda playing with rocks by throwing them on a lake, that is immediately interrupted by another fight, and they are not short, it is 5 draugrs and after you kill those you are faced to another 5 draugrs with some extra 3 snipers shooting you from above. It just becomes overwhelmingly annoying and not enjoyable at all.
i feel you, the enemies you fight as atreus on gmgow are so unbelievably spongy and have infinite poise. it makes atreus combat not fun and boring overall as it results to r1 spam and the occasional parry for every enemy
you just suck at the game 😂
I died 5tines ore so on give me no mervy...way to easy
That’s because you played on the hardest difficulty. Harder doesn’t always make it a more enjoyable experience. In most games now a days harder difficulties means more annoying. It’s rarely ever truly balanced for harder difficulty. I know there are still as many fights on other difficulties I played on give me balance and that section was bearable. If you had played at a lower difficulty then you wouldn’t have had as much annoyance.
@@josephstalin5751 If it is a matter of difficulty then why was Kratos a lot more stronger and viable than Atreus? Seems like a matter of game design rather than difficulty
My biggest complaint is that ever since 2018 Kratos has felt like the dad of war bot the god. Coming from GoW 3 to this and kratos can’t even jump while struggling with regular enemies is just…saddening. The game is probably more enjoyable for those who never had the chance to play with kratos at full strength. That plus all the slow shambling and bloated cutscenes just makes it a movie to me with some combat
@@frogglen6350 it’s not a skill issue, why is everything a skill issue today? Combat isn’t more difficult on harder levels, enemies merely gave more health. This doesn’t make combat more rewarding when you win, just makes the combat scenario take more time bc enemies are spongy
@@frogglen6350 a larger commentary on enemy sponginess needs to be addressed, yes I’m glad you agree
@@frogglen6350 the issue isn’t dying more than usual, the issue is drawn out encounters that make kratos feel under leveled, thus making player progression less rewarding
The new combat feels painfully slow really the only thing that was improved is graphics. story, gameplay, music I prefer the original titles.
@@frogglen6350 og gow enemies are not that spongy like the ones.
I remember my only thought during the second atreus mission was, "well I'm definitely not gonna play this game twice"
Fair take, and just like with the 2018 review, I appreciate that you take the time to point out the potential for amazeballs stuff, even while admitting that potential gets burned out by the blah. Also, you probably didn't intend to evoke this reaction when you were recording this, but at the 23:40 mark where you start ranting about the 2nd Atreus section, I was legit thinking, afterwards "My god, did I just listen to Mayo have an acute rage stroke in real time?" It was as if my hand was on your forehead, and I could feel the vein swelling with anger, about to burst. All that said, hats off, and keep on doing what you do. Cheers.
Hopefully you aren’t talking about the first video. He had some terrible arguments in that one.
@@DarkLord30199 His GOW 2018 part 2 video and this one are good.
I think this video has really good pacing. Since you bring up what you like more I'm pretty sure people will understand your video more
I wasn't sure it did, but thank you. Pacing is hard to nail when working this fast.
The amount of hand holding in video games nowadays is kind of insulting tbh. Especially during battles.
The targeting system was kind lame too. It would constantly target enemies further away than the one I was looking at, sometime enemies that werent even on screen
In the old GoW games, you follow an original and unique story of Kratos against the gods. And yes, it was lore inaccurate (Hercules being older than Perseus even thou Perseus is his Grandfather and so forth) but it was all done so *you* experience Kratos‘ story in the most fun and epic way possible.
In the new games, you are now a character shoved into the story of the already existing story of Ragnarok and all you do is just do things to let the story of Ragnarok unfold. You don’t follow Kratos anymore doing his thing, you follow around Kratos being just another character in the story of Ragnarok
It wasn't original or unique.
@@Enskyed it was, keep malding
@@fyrijou5202 It literally was not, it's based on the run of the mill greek tragedy.
@@Enskyed ah yes, please tell me a story where a Mortal raged War against the Gods of Greece that was put in a game, or a hack and slash game in the style of God of War or anything like that before the age of 2005
@@fyrijou5202 They didn't make video games in ancient greece. Point is, the story at its core is literally just a greek tragedy, there's definitely unique elements but at it's core it's just that.
I think God of war Ragnarok was boring and depressing. I miss the old God of war style, I mean look at the boss fight of Odin vs the boss fight of Zeus.
Zeus is not even that good of a boss lol
@@lorenzosari577 both odin and Zeus are pretty rad bosses imo.
@Lorenzo Sari Umm Why? That fight had incredible emotional intensity. Like you seriously want to bash the shit out of him, he has several phases that change up the boss fight and requires the player to be thoughtful of their attacks due to blocking spamming, utilising clones to encourage area of effect attacks, punishes the players negligence by constantly healing in the last phase and has unblockable attacks to encourage more defensive approaches beyond dodge and block. Seems a great boss to me
I love how they knew spamming trolls was annoying
*So they spammed DREKIs*
The difference was that the Troll was used as a boss fight. The dreki are mini-bosses. And there are much more. 2018 aside from Trolls just had the Acients/Soul Eaters. Lets compare and contrast shall we?
Mini/sub-bosses:
2018-
1. Trolls
2. Ancients/Soul Eaters
Ragnarok-
1. Trolls
2. Ancient/Soul Eaters
3. Dreki
4. Drake
5. Dragons
6. Hunter/Stalker
7. Phantoms
8. Hateful
Main bosses:
2018-
1. Baldur
2. Dragon(forgot its name)
3. Magni and Modi
4. Baldur again
Ragnarok-
1. Bjorn
2. Thor
3. Gryla
4. Freya
5. Nidhogg
6. Garm
7. Heimdall
8. Hrist and Mist
9. Thor again
10. Odin
Side bosses:
2018-
1. Valkyries
Ragnarok-
1. Berserkers
2. Gna
I left off the Dark Elf King from 2018 and the Light Elf Queen(and the librarian) from Ragnarok. I didn’t know if I should count them. They are presented as bosses but idk. I guess I should. But I won’t go back in the list so here are their mentions.
I guess the dragons and drakes are technically side bosses since they only appear in side quests if I remember. I don’t recall a dragon showing up during the main story like how other mini bosses do.
I left off the captains from Ragnarok. If I remember only one of them shows up and is presented as a boss. They just feel like a large enemy type like the ogres or travelers. Not bosses.
I left off that little gremlin thing from Ragnarok that appears in Svartalfheim.
I left off the revenant from 2018 that tricks Atreus into thinking he can speak to his mom again. I did the same for Ragnarok and the Raven keeper.
Almost didn’t count the hateful but they warrant being a mini boss
21:30 I appreciate the fact you cut a part of Sindri's dialogue to avoid spoilers
Mayo and the basics on game design and game logic. What i cannot describe on fault and words, Mayo explains in details my frustration! Good-stuff!
Ragnarok is basically game awards bait
Atreus has completely ruined the game for me. I could handle him in 2018 as he was just a side character you could largely ignore, but now he has dedicated big chunks of gameplay. Add to that, as a whiny teenager he's even more annoying than as a child. It's like buying a "Batman" game and then being forced to play as Batman's child, who wants to do that?!?
Storywise, GOW Ragnarok is the embodiment of "Well yes, but actually no."
All that build up, all those stories and somehow everything we've been told in GOW 2018 turned to be a lie.
Freya can't go to Vanaheim? Actually she can, but it's limited.
Groa didn't know about Odin killing her husband? Oh, she did. She lied.
The whole goddamn prophercy? Groa lied about it.
Thor is an irredemable monster? Wrong, he's just misguided.
Etc, etc.
It's like they didn't know how to build it up from 2018 so they just straight up denied everything.
The GOW defense squad going to be strong watch out
This is the kind of game I’ll watch someone play on TH-cam. I don’t have the patience for walk n talk sections. It completely kills the replay value for me.
Exactly, at this point they might've as well made it a movie
@@samuel_eee4744 when people refer too this game as a “movie” its clear that they haven’t played it.
@@JamesRobertson844 i never referred to this game as a movie ever
@@samuel_eee4744 “they might’ve as well made it a movie” 💀
Exactly, it's what I did
This game was so boring. My god the level of padding in this game is unprecedented. I couldn’t even get myself to Finnish the game. I simply saved myself 20 hours by watching the ending on TH-cam.
Is there Finnish mythology in the game my guy?
My main issue with the Atreus sections is how underutilised other characters and especially Thor is. You would expect Thor to be destroying everything and be more of a problem to use than the enemies cause he just willynilly use his hammer since he was little care for Atreus and just wants this mission done. So give us more enemies, less damage and more of a challenge especially with Thor cause he just stands at the side lines and acts as the more competent at clearing path kratos.
Very good review imo. Always enjoy these types of videos.
Aside from the Atreus sections being a drag and unskipable, I disagree with what you said.
But you put great effort into this video and I appreciate it!
This video is a sophisticated masterpiece compared to Synthetic Man's review of Ragnarok.
Synthetic man's review was great and touched on a lot of valid points.
@@Kometheus I agree that it had a lot of valid points, but I would call Synthetic Man's videos more like unscripted rants than proper reviews. I think he would agree with me on that.
@@Kometheusyou can’t be Fr 😂 it was such a horrible review with so many useless points. He also criticized the story while not even paying attention so he had no idea what was going on
@@devinbrady4433 first off, the story is pretty unimaginative and shit so him paying half attention is more than ok lol but yeah man synthetic mans reviews, while rambly a lot of the times, kick ass. Give them another go and forgo your pride blackman
@@C00MGUY how is anything I said prideful? And Blackman ? Maybe I’m missing something. I’ve watched it once and I just didn’t think he had any concrete critiques for the story. Also if you have the time I’d watch EFAPS video on synthetic man’s review
I can’t get over how much this guy reads my mind about the game but explains it in so much more detail. Couldn’t agree more about almost everything he said. Oh man the camera angles 🙄
You made great point about old cut scenes used to more in 90 seconds and actually made the game better. Vs the cinematic cut scenes of today there is no competition. I wish i had video game time machine. Stay up and God bless.
Bideo?
@@GrimmVessel5734 ty for spell checking. Fixed.
Time machine? Just play the older the games? Like what there still there.
@@DasVicks63 If a virtue was lost, is it wrong to expect developers bring it back? Saying to just go back doesn't help anyone.
@@limabarreto911 Listen I give hope a long ago, and I live to see every series of games to I love go to complete shit. Like The Last Of or Dying Light 2. And after disappiont after disppiont I say fuck it. There no hope, only go back to the past is all you can do.