WHY God Of War was Ruined - Part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2020
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In part 2 of my analysis of God of War 2018, we're gonna take a deep look 3 specific points I mentioned in my first GOW video. We're gonna look at the changes to the mechanics, and answer the important question of "why?" And hey, God Of War 5 is coming! I'm excited! I expect big improvements. Watch the first part here: • How God Of War was RUI...
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Under The Mayo jumping in games is boring Mario is for children and nostalgia that’s it. Mario at this point is basically a mobile game
@@thelaw2348
I don't see how he is defending that God of War needs to be a game for children, or a platforming mobile game.
Tatzelwurms are just fucking annoying and hard to combo. They even have an unexpected unblockable attack. At least on GMGOW. Doing the mist world on GMGOW was annoying as fuck.
And the stupid witches teleport if you start a combo on them, and if your 2nd attack is a powerful one, they teleport away and get their stupid invincibility back before it hits. Continuing the combo on another enemy isnt always a good idea either since the witch will power up if you let it recover in GMGOW. The game itself (in the loading screen) acknowledges that witches are the enemies that you want to take out first and prioritize.
Although I guess that's what I get for being so stubborn. I mean the only reason to do GMGOW is for a shield or because many TH-camrs played on GMGOW and it would be a bit humbling if I can't do the same.
@@justrandomstuff6828 Yeah Dark souls is pretty epic. But it's easy to cheese too.
@@justrandomstuff6828 Does baiting enemies and killing them one at a time count as cheese? I've been doing that and now that I think about it I kinda feel like a pussy.
Why does everybody forget that God of War (2005) was very impressive as a cinematic game... without sacrificing gameplay
oh, i dont forget about it
True,im curious bout new gow Ragnarok
@@pawemarciniak4514 the new trailer reveals its going to be the same shit with same graphics
I think that's what got many of us into it back in the day...how cinematic it was and the epicness and grand theatrical/cinematic way they were depicting mythology many are familiar with. The brutal, addicting gameplay was bonus.
They didn't sacrifice gameplay in the new one. Get good
"God of War 4 is so much more mature than the previous games."
-people that never played the trilogy, or the spinoffs
True, Good to see some people remembering them and pointing the flaws with this game out.
It really does feel like people just forgot about the 6 previous games, and think this is the only game in the franchise.
@@surferOS101 Most of them man.
Man the previous games had some tear jerking moments.
@@walangchahangyelingden8252
They think 3 represented the entire trilogy, since Kratos was batshit crazy by that point. All while not understanding that it was the culmination of his character arc, since the first two games showed why he got so bad.
They just listened to the Zero Punctuation reviews that completely missed how the whole series is a Greek tragedy and not just an excuse for mindless violence.
Imagine if DMC 5 ended up like GOW 2018. No jumping, no air juggling, no jump cancels, of course no style switching, just the emotional story of Vergil and little Nero.
Edit: I like how a lot of people argue with sales numbers even knowing that DMC is a niche franchise with a somewhat small but dedicated audience.
😂😂😂
Sounds like 10/10 Game of the Year, especially if Vergil was emotionally distant and had to face the biggest challenge of his life, understanding parenting 101.
@@youwaisef lol can it even be called a game at this point ?
DMC5: Bury the Child Support
@@tendatonda1634 It would be by filthy casuals
It is a shame that the classic God Of War games are brushed off as just mindless button mashing by the wider gaming community. I think the reason it is considered that way is because while it does incentivize using the more advanced techniques and moves, unlike Doom Eternal it doesn't force the player to play well and just allows players to button mash. This is the same reason that Titanfall 2 felt like CoD but with cool movement to Under The Mayo, when in reality if you actually get good at Titanfall 2 it plays nothing like CoD. It is unfortunate that these games won't get the recognition that they deserve.
Agreed. I honestly think community analysis is an important part of coming to love most games these days. I've been shown time and again that there are so many more angles to most games than there first appears, so hearing someone else's story and tips can make a game feel brand new all over again.
I think most of that mentality comes from also compering it to DMC games combat , where there is more creativity and depth and skill required ,so they call GOW a lite DMC or poor man's DMC and you mindlessly mash an win all the time .
Or maybe the developers wanted to try something new and different
@@fredy2041
Alright, that's not to say that all community analysis is perfect, but I've appreciated how some of it has impacted my perspective on a game. XD
@@fredy2041
He kinda explicitly states he isn't averse to it changing, just that the problem is a loss of depth. The loss of skill having a rewarding purpose. I agree, and I even enjoy the game. I know for a fact I'd enjoy it more if the game forced me to adapt my tools in interesting ways. I like the game, but I don't think he's wrong in saying it would benefit from a little more focus on rewarding skillful execution or risky strategy.
"God Of War 2018 is a better gameplay experience because you can't jump." - IGN
10/10
You know the old saying! You can’t spell ignorance without IGN🙂
those freaks were praising the last of us 2 for having a jumping LOL
@@koldblack1400 This comment is pure gold
This
This logic is used by fans to defend this abomination. I have seen special people that claim REMOVAL of jumping makes a game better. Flat earthers and anti vaxxers actually have a point but this is meme worthy.
“They streamlined all the puzzles into the kind of puzzles you’d see in a dentist’s office.”
God. Damn.
Same can be said for God of War 3. The puzzles in the trilogy were never memorable. Zelda and Dark Souls did it better 👨🔧
If I wanted a complex puzzle, I would go play The Witness.
@@factspeaker8518 Dark souls didn't have any puzzles to speak of. At least not in Dark souls 1 and Demon's souls.
@@nik774 i think he meant darksiders 2 lol
Looooool, perfect, its true. All these people saying that the trilogy puzzles were never complex.
Yeah of course, they were pretty tamedin comparison with other games, but they also were unique and clever. Using the enviroment on your favor, and mixing it with plataform and combat, like how the hell can someone say that they are the same type of puzzles as throw an axe to break some totems. Its ridiculous.
What pisses me off is this push for "moviefing" games. Everything is automatic, with close ups and seamless cutscene transitions and sections where control is yanked from you so as to force you into looking at the skybox.
Which is funny considering how cinematic the old games are.
I get annoyed when Boss fights have way too many mid battle cutscenes or QTE doing the work for you.
but the old games literally did the same thing. there were on rails moments. QTEs. they had more and more cutscenes and so on.
@@joedatius They had gameplay to go along with that stuff though
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 and so does this game what is your point.
but stuff like GOW2 and 3 were filled with those things the majority of Zues's Bossfight was a QTE and so was stuff like posiden and other gods
You must be one of the very few people that got the guts to tell the truth about this game, i totally feel the same.
Bruh
honestly i was also disappointed at this game i was scared so say it was bad 3 days after release i quitted the game
society is in a phase of praising talentless basic common shit because ppl envy things they lack. so they normalize glorifying basic braindead shit so it makes them feel less of a loser. so ofc ppl will go crazy when you burst their illusion, its their livelihoods 😂
- Sony presentation ends with God of War Ragnarok annoucement...
- Under The Mayo doens't give a shit!
The timing of this video was so right lol
I had no idea a new God of war game was announced.
@j. Probably it will get the same engine.
@@eumesm9770 it's on ps5, I doubt they'll use the same one unless they upgraded it
but what happened GOW5 is like the original games?
@@Hateful_Rex It'll probably be exactly like the last game
In ragnarok the damn NPCs tell you how to do EVERYTHING...it's insufferable
Is that not a good thing?💀
@@swagspamsl2252its for idiots
@@swagspamsl2252 I know this is a year old, but how is an npc telling you how to solve every puzzle a good thing. That breaks the whole point of a puzzle.
I feel like the new game lacks violence and blood
I mean blood is kind of replaced with orange juice
It does
Organs too
@@Kn1ghtborne Please tell me which parts showed 'organs'
@@ap4702 Remember when you gutted the centaur generals? They even have an associated trophy called "No guts, no glory"
There's certainly no lack of violence, haha. While moments like beating Balder to a pulp are rare, I don't feel like the orange blood of the typical zombies is a negative. I mean Doom's Cacodemons have blue blood, and the classic Barons have green. As long as there's stuff coming out of enemies, I'm satisfied.
@@RacingSnails64 I don't know man we human beings often feel disgusted with real blood cuz it looks real and stuff but orange just looks like a literal orange
It's unfortunate but the industry prioritizes casual gamers, it's easier to say it's good when you are not paying attention to what you are consuming. Solid video as always.
@Giltspark what did you like and dislike about the game?
He hasn't replied.
Guess I'll do it.
*Dislikes:*
*- R.P.G Combat System, Heavily Ruins Game Flow, especially G.M.G.O.W*
*- Special Cancelling doesn't exsist, I wanna attack, but don't wanna be punished because I can't stagger an enemy. That I rightfully stagger, because it's a SPECIAL MOVE.*
_Likes:_
_- Graphics, nuff said._
_- Story, Nuff Said_
@@Berd-Wasted. Then you might as well just watch a good movie = REAL graphics. Or read a book (use your mind = SUPERB GRAPHICS)
NUFF SAID :3
Or "fun" is a very broad term
@@elguitarTom I read Fanfiction.
Does that count?
_(not the cringy pedo ships, like real quality ones.)_
I think these videos on god of war are part of a bigger problem in not only gaming but entertainment as a whole. People today like simple spectacle.
This sounds like the devs wanted to make a movie but had to make a game instead.
Yup! Just make it a movie instead of changing the format so drastically
I don't think it was like that. The changes to combat were questionable but i don't think they were made in a way as some protest to wanting to make a movie instead. There is a shift in game studios where combat/gameplay is used as a narrative pusher. A lot of cover shooters do this. Uncharted 4/Last of Us wouldn't be as fun to experience if you didn't see what happened next in the story.
@@3Demon100 the game can still be cinematic without them changing the whole format. Devil may cry is still a hack and slash. Part 5 is pretty cinematic. I'm glad they didn't do devil may cry like God of War lol. I still enjoy the game that concentrates more on the game play then the cinematics. You could literally cut this game in a way that it is a movie lol, it's been done! And God of War was never that. It had a story and some cinematics but it was through and through a fun hack and slash. It's not that anymore
@@3Demon100 funny thing is I do like the new God of War lol. I just enjoy the old format more.
God of war is goin the way of metal gear solid..... a great game destroyed by the crushing weight of its beautiful and emotional story.
anyone who thinks classic hgod of war is just mindless mushing buttons is either he played the games on easy mode or he never played it at all xd
It's obvious that someone hasn't played the previous games when criticising the "basic platforming."
I'm interested to see how they go when going through Pandora's Temple and realising it requires more effort than a single button input
While i absolutely love that game, I definitely agree that the enemy variety is kinda bad, especially among the minibosses. You're a very good critic, keep up the great videos
Dragurs were annoying as shit
Time and money was the problem, as with every AAA game.
@@RoxheartLollipop i agree try find my comment on this.
A good critic won’t use the title “Why God of War Was Ruined”, that title is clickbaity as fuck
The enemy variety was bad because Cory made the entire game on a very low budget, he said he wanted more bosses and minibosses. He also says the large trolls are not bosses, they are minibosses with the boss healthbar because the normal healthbar glitched out, as well as the fact that he gave them names so you'd learn the lore.
Edit: Now that time has passed (and in light of more people responding to this comment) I will make a few revisions to my original statement.
I still feel like this video brings up some valid points related to the gameplay. If one compares it to the original GOW franchise, yes, the combat and movement is pretty terrible. However, I feel like this review does miss the point that GOW 2018 is *not* the same type of game as the originals. The developers tried to steer this game into more cinematic and story oriented gameplay which I think they did wonderfully on. I will now offer my personal analysis of this review:
*No Jumping Section:* I feel like this point relies on the viewer ignoring the context of the game itself in favor of focusing solely on what came before. Platforming puzzles work well in the original games (Again, notice the hard emphasis on comparing to previous titles) because the gameplay was designed around the action platforming that already existed. Since the old GOWs were built on a base that emphasized the player's ability to move in different ways, platforming feels like a natural part of the experience. However, GOW 2018 is built on a base of storytelling and cinematic sequences. The general flow of the gameplay doesn't support platforming well because it would bog down the story heavy sequences GOW relies on to hook your attention. It would be a complete slog if the player was trying to pay attention to the rich storytelling only to have that immersion broken when they fail to jump a gap and fall to their death. It just isn't something that fits the mold GOW 2018 is trying to grow in.
*Puzzle Section*: I do agree that the puzzles do get quite dull and I would have liked to see a greater variety throughout the game. Again, I must reiterate that this is mainly due to the game's decoupling from advanced platforming in favor of a more story rich environment. It's very natural that this game would be awkward for veterans to play because they're suddenly missing the old mechanics they're so used to playing with. This issue (along with others) will hopefully be improved upon in future games.
*Combat Section*: I completely agree with this assessment of the combat. I myself did fall into the "hit it until it dies" combat loop which made combat rooms a bit of a slog. Enemy variety was also a huge problem (I believe Mayo touched on this in the first review he did) and I really hate the "Oh look, your next boss is another troll" too. Again, we'll see if the next game improves on this at all.
Overall I think this review suffers because it relies too heavily on comparing GOW 2018 to the old franchise. If one assumes that the new game *absolutely must follow the original blueprint word for word*, then the new game will seem like trash. I think this is not a proper, objective, and unbiased way of analyzing any game. What GOW 2018 tries is a new formula that appeals to a wider audience and if this audience happens to be total newbies to gaming, I think that's fine. I myself enjoyed this game a lot despite having seen what other games have done better in regards to gameplay. I'm not sure who else will read this comment since this video is two years old but I hope it helps!
*TL:DR*: The criticism of the game's combat is valid but most of the other points rely too heavily on comparing it with the old GOW games. Many of the game's issues involving platforming and combat looping are to be expected since the developers decided on such a drastic change to the game's focus. These things will hopefully be improved upon in later games.
like who?
@@raymondmagtanong Was wondering the same thing. Couldn't find anyone just outright bashing the game.
@@zaser1264 I think he might be talking about the games he reviews in general
Basically, people who think > people who ramble/rant. You're right, we really need more people like UnderTheMayo, especially in the "Game Journalists" compartment.
@Devenn Eng No lies said here. Bloodboorne remains the best ps4 exclusive this generation (at least in my opinion).
16:35 I just wanna point out that this specific game design flaw is what breaks the final boss fight with Baldur. Baldur is a multi-phase boss fight instead of being just one phase like all the other bosses are. This game design flaw allows you to go into the next phase with low health, die immediately, and respawn with full HP back at the beginning of the new phase you just entered instead of at the beginning of phase 1.
It's how I beat Baldur on Give me a Challenge and it made the entire fight very underwhelming and didn't felt earned. I hope this is something that is fixed in GoW Ragnarok *at the very least* because this is a game design sin, period.
YES! the first baldur fight was my favorite fight of the entire game. but the final fight felt so... underwhelming. I never knew why.
Yup, gameplay-wise, Baldur was super underwhelming.
Oddly enough, the first Baldur fight did this a lot better by having both Kratos AND Baldur heal between each phase.
This channel has been really helpful for me. I am currently learning to make games and people like you giving feedback and their thoughts on popular games really gives me a different perspective that might be helpful for me while crafting my own game. I'm really looking forward to whatever you have next, Mayo!
Have you made any games yet?
there gonna be shit if he is listening to this guy
This is unrelated, but what's your favorite God Of War game and why is it Doom Eternal?
cuz gaem gud
Best comment here.
He compared GOW to the Doom Franchise because he believes they have similar combat philosophies.
Because *yes*
I love god of war 3 but it cant compare to my love for DOOM eternal
The timing of this video after the GOW Ragnarok announcement was actually perfect
I think you mean God of War 5
@@InReserveProductions i meant ragnarok
@@pokekiller787x Yeah, God of War 5
@@InReserveProductions no, It's not Ragnarok, you don't have to call it with numbers anymore if you want people know what you talking about
@@Omega-jg4oq Its actually God of War 2 Ragnarök kid
God of war 4 is a movie with interactive fictitious not a game
All the other god of gods games are games with S tier movie tier storytelling
People love rdr for this shit but hate Gow for doing it it's a requal it's meant to be different
For hardcore action genre comparison, DMC5 did everything right. An actual EVOLUTION of the combat system. It is actually my personal GOTY 2019 & truly given us hardcore action gamers everything that we want from the series & then some more.
Dmc5 was the same formulaic shit as the originals
Kamiya said Bayonetta was true evolution for DMC but DMC V and Bayonetta are both great
@@realcrunchy6572 That's what they were going for.
@@iceman1287 And who cares though? don’t fix of what is not broken.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo That's what I'm saying. DMC 5 did everything right and stayed true to the original games.
I'm actually super impressed with how well you articulated every issue this game has...
Im surprised I just now found your videos...
As much as I love the 2018 GOW, your criticism about the jumping and platforming is spot on! I think the dumbed down platforming is meant to highlight the growing father-son bond but, whenever the two aren’t talking, it gets pretty boring. Backtracking really got old. I hope that the 2021 follow up changes this!
They won't change thing since everyone loves this game, they can do whatever the hell they want because people are too blind and with that they can just make more money with easiest and laziest ways possible as long as thier games get good scores, it's Dad Of War nowadays
sorry pal but that’s your opinion, calling people stupid for that pretty immature.
@@frogglen6350 At least there was some verticality to the combat in the OG trilogy
@@Omega-jg4oq 1 month late but whatever
Y’know they actually heard some of the complaints in the combat department and said they were going to make it better and more unique.
Hell, they have a new combat designer as well as an even bigger budget, and they heard the complaints about enemy types as well.
They are without a doubt listening and want to make it as best as possible.
Have you seen Cory’s video about the success of GOW 4, he was crying tears of joy and he wants to make it better for us.
He really does care.
@@diousthomas8878 I'm sorry for calling it lazy or any stupid Sh$t I've said, but it's looks More like Dark Souls gameplay mixed with Last of Us story kinda with GOW's Skin, things needs to be Epic more than being Emotional, the differences between this and the old ones is like day and night
Video is going to blow up, the timing was perfect.
Esepecially since Santa Monica Studios just posted a tweet teasing the sequel, which might be called God of War: Ragnarok.
No it's not
Alpha huh?
Not yet
Yeah it totally blew up. 22K views two weeks later..
Accessibility has turned games, especially AAA ones, into automated story-driven experiences. I like a good story and all, but this just makes me sad. Gameplay is still what makes a game work. That's why it's called a game... for fuck's sakes!
celeste showed how to make a hard game accessible
It's simple.
The entire gaming industry is dumbing down its games.
It's a trend that exists all over various industries, cheapening products.
We're moving towards a mass society full of mass produced products that are replaceable and without substance.
Gaming is largely dead in terms of creativity.
thank you for spitting all these facts
But people will STILL say this isnt true.
And thats when you understand that "people" are not "individuals". (check the men in black movie's scene on this)
And this is why from soft is the only good game company right now cuz they still prioritise gameplay
@@djanomaly8187 Yes...Though even FromSoftware is not perfect as they essentially made the same game 4 times, just to milk the franchise.
If you think in a bigger picture, gaming industry do not want to challenge 'gamers' anymore making them think that everything is achievable as easy as auto-jumping in GOW 2018 and this is going to become very very common. On the other hand TicToc is making people extremely impatient. The dots start to connect , dont you think?
The last video got a LOT of hate, but honestly what you said really hit home and is exactly how I felt
Nowdays people are not open to constructive criticisms against critically successful games.
Well yea he shit on Atreus for some extremely close minded and bizarre reasons, that's not surprising lol. I agree with most of his points but his points about Atreus are confusing to me
@@THEKXRMANETWORK his criticisms about atreus are subjective but I have to say atreaus was annoying for me too. And we don't hate him because of close mindedness we hate him because of the amount of whining he does. But again it is subjective and I don't think that he makes the game bad as you can mute him in repeat playthroughs .
@@debashisprasadjena5075 He's annoying because he's a child, and if you ask me he's only truly annoying when he gets an ego boost and that is literally the point of that part of the story. If y'all genuinely find the kid annoying because he asks questions and gets a little smart, I hope to god y'all don't have kids cause it sounds like that's the actual problem here. If your shocked that a literal child is whining that is your issue, not the games
@@THEKXRMANETWORK I already said by myself that it is not the game's fault that I hate him and it is my mindset which makes me feel annoyed whenever he whines. And you know what I actually have planned to not have a child in real as I find myself to be unqualified to raise a child.
This is going to get attacked beyond belief especially after the trailer. I respect it.
Ragnarok was even more dumbed down, especially bad with writing too.
*Mario can't jump*
Critics: "What a mature next step for this series to take."
It would be more like if Mario had to kill Bowser to avenge the death of Peach. That'll be that mature shit. And then no jumping. LOL
It's not a platform game anymore so what
Real question, how do you Express your opinion on the internet, that takes alot of confidence. It's just so cool, not being afraid of expressing yourself.
I can't speak for anyone else, but most of my life was spent studying my personal interests, and engaging in debates on controversial topics through my teens and 20's. And after 8 years of my channel being mostly Mortal Kombat focused, I decided to try some gaming opinion pieces. And it worked out. I also have a very long background in editing, recording, and presentation building. I was active in the arts and journalism when I was young, live performance of poetry. Theatre. I just kinda put all this stuff together into my personal style. Find your style, and you'll make it work. Though I may take 8 years lol.
Under The Mayo I am getting PS4 soon since I don’t have money for new consoles should I get god of war ?
@@jaylons9285 Borrow it from someone. Or if it's not full price, sure. It's worth a play.
if it helps, knowing that people will disagree with you at the end makes it much easier for me to say something on the internet. there will be a person out there who will disagree, and when it comes to discussing something on the internet, a person who tries to bash someone who they disagree with is not worth the attention, because nothing will come out of that exchange. be nice about it, be understanding about the people who have different opinions, and never get down to the level of name-calling. This video is an excellent example of that, mayo said time and time again that the game had good aspects, graphics, story, characters, and such. letting the other side know you understand them is going to make sure they are much likely to listen and respect you.
one more thing, the purpose of an argument is not to be right, but to get it right. if there is one thing I see in the world that I hate, its how being wrong is considered a bad thing. being able to say "you know what, you're right" is not easy, but I personally want to get to that level. being wrong is not wrong, shaming the people who are wrong is wrong, and anyone who says condescending things about you not being right is one of the times I would say they're being objectively dumb, because being admitting that you're wrong means that you are looking to know and understand, and holding you back from doing that is something I would never understand myself
Thanks guys
Luckily , now that the next game is announced, the devs have hopefully tackled many of the issues you had.
Especially if Atreus is playable. He's a lot younger and more agile than Kratos so it should be interesting.
Yea, not to mention there's DMCV, where the devs proved that you can retain a good story without sacrificing the gameplay. Not only that, DMCV basically refined it to the point it's basically one of the best Hack and Slash in its genre.
Hopefully, GOW is able to provide some of its older gameplay roots.
@@leowei771 It IS the best Hack and Slash, speaking from a gameplay perspective. DMC3 still has the better delivered story imo but the DMCV is truly a PS2 title with a triple A budget.
@@leowei771 What good story exists in DMC5? The only good DMC story is in DMC3.
@@leowei771 tho I will say that I honestly hated playing as V. He really slowed down the game for me.
@Ice they're not. Doesn't mean they can't improve upon it
You know what annoyed me about the combat more than anything else? Atreus's arrows. It'd almost have the same impact as a passive damage buff. 90% of the time you're just pressing the button without thinking for the extra damage/stun.
Exactly. What where they thinking? Just spam the square button, very deep gameplay
This is a prime example of why graphics aren’t the most important thing
Dude no shit i put more time in the tetris vr game then the new god of war XD
@@HandheldGamer1991 so you prefer boring ass games over good games lmao
@@christopheryanez play the game first before saying its boring
@@HandheldGamer1991 Tetris vr...yeah I’m sure those blocks look too crazy in front of your face lol. I’d rather play beat saber
Yeah I just saw gameplay of Tetris vr, it’s basically an interactive music video lol
@@christopheryanez if you want to call tetris vr an interactive music video then god of war is just a bad dvd menu XD
Honestly the biggest bummer for me was the lack of variety in enemies. Most of the enemies encountered in the game is a fire zombie, ice zombie or a poison zombie with knife, hammer and spellcaster variants. They seem varied enough at first, but very quickly get boring. In late game, the fire zombies get a little buff, but the buff is more irritating than interesting, and it doesn't really change the way I engage with them much. This is why I enjoyed fighting the dark elves more, they were way different from the other zombie variants and I had to actually start to change how I engage opponents and adapt to beat them. I want more enemy variety, more enemies that make me think instead of mashing buttons, rolling out and spamming runic attacks until they die. I want less trolls and ogres, more creative bosses like the Valkyries, Baldur and the dragon.
hey, i just wanted to point some stuff out as someone who recently replayed GOW4, now i dont want an argument and sorry if i come out as someone who does.
i do believe the puzzles and exploring have been downgraded, and that not being able to jump has effected the combat poorly aswell.
and i do agree that theres plenty of moves in both games that fit in the "practical benefit" section.
i dont nessecaraly agree that theres no big picture benefit in GOW4 however. theres the obvius example of permafrost and what ever the blade upgrade is called (sorry i dont remember the name), which if you get hit instantly removes it. but theres also the depth of the enhancments. for example, for of them is "if kratos gets hit, theres a small perk chance of slowing down your enemys" or something like that. which, while also fits into the "practical benefit" section of being HUGE risk HUGE reward since you're required to get hit, i believe its also beneficial is ome ways to the "big picture benefit" in a situation of: "should i risk getting hit by this small unit that does low dmg to have a chance of slowing down time so that i can use my runin attack on this traveler (since he cant be staggered), or should i save my health incase ill need it since i dont believe i can beat this mini boss without it?". I may be wrong on this one, but i believe you get more xp for upgrades if you preform better. for example, i remember while playing threw the game first time around i only got around 50 to 125 xp per fight, but one the second one i got around 200 to 250 xp. now, that is an incredible small diffrence if it is and i think the reward gain on playing better should be increased in GOW ragnorok, its still there.
on the smaller note, if you do better you get more lines between atreus and kratos.
there are upgrades the gameplay (mostly the 3 terms youve menshioned) can be upgraded. and i believe its the jump botton. but i believe santa monica has, and let me qoute a youtuber that made a 3 hour review of the game: "struck gold, and if they dig a little bit further theyll hit platinum".
appologies for using your time.
Good takes all around, thank you for sharing.
I found most of the chance based perks to be not so good, since they are heavily reliant on RNG instead of your skill.
Usually the intention of having taking damage effects is to offset the negative consequences of being hit since being hit is almost always bad in any game. I highly doubt the developer was wanting you to strategically plan taking damage for a chance at slows when other things in the game slow. That's the only part where you're probably wrong.
The exp is probably based on how many enemies you kill, as I doubt you beat a battle died then got sent back to before the first fight to see if you got more, and I doubt you wrote down how much you got and then did multiple playthrough’s and compared.
@@AtelierGod i had clipped some of the fights since i thought they looked cool and noticed the change of XP. Didnt count the number of enemys sadly, might be the reason of the change
Mayo, if you read this, thank you. You convinced me to grab a ps3 emulator and try out the first three games. I'm having a lot of fun. I forgot what it's like to be challenged. I'm currently in the first game, almost reached Pandora's box. I'm gonna whoop Ares's ass soon.
Unfortunately there's a prevailing wind in gaming now to make games have the same public respect movies have, even though most modern movies are dumber than they ever have been before, but i digress. The problem is that at least in my opinion, games and movies are diametrically opposed mediums. One has the goal of being an interactive experience and one is a passive experience. I don't know why they're trying to blend the two? I would say its impossible. A game can have cinematic elements to great effect, but you can't make a game that's only cinematic elements at the complete cost of meaningful interaction. I mean i guess you can, but we get to the point where i ask why don't you just make an animated feature? I ask anyone that somehow likes david cage "games" as games (beyond two souls, heavy rain, Detroit become human) or telltale games. What is added to the experience by making you press a button to open a cabinet or progress dialogue, that would be lost if it was purely a movie? To me this is like writing a book, but folding all the pages into funny shapes forcing me to unfold them so i can get on with the story.
I think maybe part of it is the broadening of the appeal of gaming to people who didn't grow up playing video games. There's a lot of sensibilities that we've just grown accustomed to. It may very well be the case that someone who's never played a video game before feels the same level of challenge and interactivity playing Uncharted on easy difficulty as I do playing Starcraft II on brutal.
......you think that's a "now" issue? Guess ya never heard of Metak Gear Solid, normie.
@@factspeaker8518 Only metal gear solid 4 is basically a movie. I guess you've never played the first 5 games....uh normie.
@@seanjenkins5505
MGS 1 and 2 are more cutscene than game. 🤷♂️
@@factspeaker8518 You are objectively wrong. MGS 1 has 3 hours of cutscenes. MGS 2 and 3 five hours. MGS 4 has EIGHT hours of cutscenes. It also doesn't even matter. This is one game series compared to a larger trend of many triple AAA games favoring style over substance. God of War, Last of Us, The order 1886, etc.
Here's the thing.
Video games have the unique ability to tell stories in ways arguably better than movies ever could.
Yet these PS4 exclusives are all the same Hollywood approach to their games that just makes them feel... dull.
They sure look beautiful, but that's just it.
Look at TLOU2.
Jumping was so integral to the original games, that in MK9 Kratos actually had a slow motion jumping air combo.
You should make a second channel named Above the Ketchup
The God of War franchise went from a video game series that epitomized interactivity and player reward to an interactive film with some gameplay.
You summed it up perfectly.
The series ended though. Did you really expect a new God of War after God of War 3? This is basically a reboot.
@@garfieldlogan8682 I am aware that the series ended, yet the ending of God of War 3 made it seem like the franchise would continue. Additionally, the games had a characteristic design which should have been in God of War (the alleged reboot). If the studio behind the franchise wanted to give a new idea fruition then they should have done so rather than using an established character to guarantee consumers for their "reboot."
@@troubledcat I mean tbh Ascension pretty much was released after GoW3 and it wasn’t that popular compared to the previous titles, that’s when it was starting to go down the path of being washed up and thankfully Santa Monica quickly picked up on that and changed shit up with GoW4. Im seeing more people hyped for Ragnarök than they were for Ascension.
@@christopheryanez Ascension suffered from failing to provide variety when it came to gameplay in terms of weapons, as every other weapon in the game was the Blades of Chaos with a different skin and/or ability. An issue that was present in God of War 3.
Ragnarok is only receiving hype because the game involves Kratos and acts as the end of the franchise's soft reboot. If those two were removed then the sequel to God of War 4 would hardly be hyped.
Bruh, now that's an exaggeration. It's not am interactive movie. Stupid
This video makes me hate this game. But he's so right. I never even played this game more than once. Plus the lack of creative bosses is unacceptable.
I can't even make myself to play it halfway through.
I played it 12 times and it’s my favorite game of all time it’s all a matter of opinions at the end of the day and while this guy does make some decent points it still dosent change my opinion on the game but at the same time there’s still improvement that can be done in gow:RAGNAROK which I’m sure a lot well because Sony Santa Monica has responded to a video critique and said they’ll try their best to make the next game much better
@@smarty1268 I get that. I was a huge fan of this one first time I played it too it has a bunch of fan service and I appreciated the story as a fan of the series.but I try and think if this game had no cut scenes would i really like this game?
I think what kept me playing is that it utterly *nails* "unga bunga". It didn't feel extra rewarding to play with any kind of depth, but the animations, choreography, and sound design made every attack feel like I was swinging a building around. And while that is my favorite thing in a combat system...it's kinda the *only* thing in this combat system. I won't come to try a combat system that doesn't feel viscerally satisfying. But I also won't stick with one that doesn't make me adapt my tools, or even teach me how. That's why DOOM Eternal is a masterpiece to me. It teaches you how to become skilled, it rewards every ounce of that skill, and the combat feels like you got ripped from your gaming chair and plopped down straight into the Vietnam war.
@@thewanderingartists dumb casual kid
Agree that the enemy variety is severely lacking, but still greatly enjoyed the game. I feel like people that played God of War for the adrenaline pumping combat might find themselves extremely limited with the tacked on RPG mechanics; just depends on what you're looking for in a game.
What I find rather annoying is that most modern gamers seem to be fine with an unnecessary RPG aspect that doesn't grant new tools that can further be used to optimize and further specialise in different playstyles with their respective challenges shifting with them. Dark souls is a game of this nature (though it could be argued about how the game favours ranged weapons over melee ones being a thing) , god of war shouldn't be like the boring and brainless RPGs where there is always a highly effective strategy that turned out to be painfully tedious and serves to only test one's patience, in essence this ends up a big waste of the player's time.
Carter Smith I didn’t really enjoy the rpg element but people treat it like it’s combat is shit and some are like oh yeah but like first god of war never was in my opinion as good as bayonetta or dmc combat wise so going to something new and it seems like people are angry that there is no jump button but I think while sure it made combat better in og if it was in this it would’ve just screwed everything first kratos is to muscular and serious so change his design for jump that camera would need to be moved back a good bit actually which would make the areas need to look very different maybe even go back to the old square arena style and every single boss would need to be changed with increased tracking which could just be annoying he treats this like it’s a style thing but it’s a very important part of the gameplay that there is no jump
necro steele nah ranged weapons suck
@@doolenny9458 oops,I meant magic not arrows
My bad
necro steele I haven’t used arrows but they are prob way better then magic cuz less limited and u don’t waist healing
In the upcoming Ragnarok Kratos says “ War is not always the answer.” Are you freaking kidding me! He’s supposed to be a God of War! What idiots decided this was good dialogue?!
I’m so disappointed with this Hollywood game! Too bad too sad. Luckily GOW3 still looks and plays incredible.
Gauss Cannon and Super Shotgun in DOOM 2016 are proof that people will naturally use the easiest and most effective combat options no matter how boring they get
This is why FromSoftware is such a brilliant and cherished developer, because they don’t absolutely neuter their games for the sake of “accessibility” and mass appeal. They have great respect and trust in their fans that they can face the challenge and overcome it. A game without a fail state, that doesn’t allow you to miss jumps for example is just a qte interactive movie, without risk there is no reward. I don’t think I can go back to playing other games, i’m gonna be stuck playing Sekiro, Dark Souls and Elden Ring for eternity.
Fromsoft games are for people with obscene amounts of time to play games
@@kellbagz563 That’s not true. Monster Hunter World is for people with obscene amounts of time on their hands. But Sekiro can be beaten in a day. I work a full time job dude and only play on weekends, so I don’t have a lot of time, it’s just what I like to play
@@grimreefer213 me too but I couldn't dedicate a whole weekend to play games either. I bought sekiro and I was tortured by that game, funnily enough my younger brother came to visit and beat it in three days. I just guess I'm not going to be the type of person to appreciate fromsoft games but I like everything else about their games except the game play.
@@kellbagz563 Yeah it’s not for everybody, most people don’t beat Sekiro. Their games are catered to a specific type of gamer, some people can’t get into it and there’s nothing wrong with that. I have very good reaction time and hand eye coordination, things like that make it easy for me to enjoy their games, but not everyone has it. But I too was a beginner once and it does take some time to develop the skills, but once you do then a lot of the bosses become relatively easy. In souls games there’s ways to kinda cheese your way through it, so you really don’t have to be a god gamer to beat it
@@kellbagz563 That’s not really true. I can only play about once every 2-3 weeks, and yet I’m still about at the end of Bloodborbe. And for more casual players, you can skip a lot of the bosses and just keep trucking through the game. The games are challenging, but still fair enough to be mainstream, and generally deaths are your own fault except in weird cases.
I tried playing this game, made it about 2 hours in before I had to put it down; It was extremely boring and if I had to climb one more fucking chain with an automatic animation I was going to flip the table.
Mayo, you NEED to play the Devil May Cry series, those games are the father of the Hack 'n' Slash genre, and to this day still hold the gold standard for them. Onimusha is sort of the mother/proto hack 'n' slash that Hideki Kamiya based DMC off of due to a glitch he encountered playtesting, wanna know the glitch? JUGGLING.
Mayos biggest strength is his ability to convey his arguments in a logical and relevant way. Great vid.
He really didn't in part 1. Like, REALLY didn't.
@@chillociraptor5007 Yeah , 100% agreed.
I'm really happy that I didn't just close the video and bothered to watch the 2nd part.
In this video he actually makes some good points and arguments which I kinda agree ngl.
@@chillociraptor5007 Yeah , 100% agreed.
I'm really happy that I didn't just close the video and bothered to watch the 2nd part.
In this video he actually makes some good points and arguments which I kinda agree ngl.
Except his arguments are flawed and not logical
He has the most illogical arguments I have ever heard of
Totally agree with all of this. It feels to me like it was designed as a fancy walking simulator and they decided at the last minute to add in some combat. You just walk through empty areas listening to "story", until your reach an obvious clearing. In spawn dozens of the same damn enemies again and again, which you MUST kill to move on through another empty area and more "story". There seems to be no option to run away from fights or sneak your way past enemies - it's just "here's a room of baddies. Kill everyone to continue". To me this makes the world feel completely artificial and un-lived-in. Combat feels bloated and yet somehow insufficient at the same time, and I can't actually believe that they opted for that disgusting off-screen attack prompt system rather than just zooming the camera back during combat. Oh, and one other thing - if this is meant to be all mature and serious, why the hell is the blood orange?!
Did we play the same game? 😂😂 combat was everywhere, and there was never just empty places to walk, each area had things to do, boxes to get to
Its just trendy to say it's a bad game. Most these people are idiots who never played it
Who would win-
A furious god relentlessly obliterating countless opponents with intense combos
or
a dude
Dante from the devil may cry series would win
The Dad Of War would use his younger self's rage against him, and utterly crush the younger version.
the god of war that destroyed the other gods of olympus
vs
purple draugr
purple draugr wins because he is higher level lol
There many things to appreciate about this game. This game (as well as Doom) is a pure representation on why sentiments such as "Gamer's don't like single player games anymore. They want more multiplayer live service games" needs to f*ck off.
I will say that your case is rock solid. In the eyes of average gamer's especially those who haven't played the previous games. Its a great games. Probably because they were more or less were hungry for quality game at the time given how many trash tier games they were getting from greedy anti-consumer publisher like EA and Activision.
But in the eyes of hardcore veterans especially those who did experienced the OG God of War see this God of War as a big downgrade compared to its predecessors. Gameplay speaking. And they would be right. Although i never played any of the God of War but from watching the gameplay i definitely can say that God of War 2018 is less awesome than its predecessors. (gameplay speaking)
One thing that developers needs to understand is that God of War is not the Last of Us, its not Heavy Rain and its not Detroit Become Human. Honestly i do have worries about the following sequels of God of War 2018. I worry that they could end up screwing up big time the next time. I also worry that sequels could be canceled and i hate the stories that doesn't have proper conclusions.
We have to hope for the best but you also should expect the worst. In fact, here is a quote from Kratos himself. "Keep your expectations low, boy, and you will never be disappointed." While it may not be the best quote but it tell that it would be wise to keep your expectations in check.
When you finished with the Grandpa example and started into the type of experience they wanted GoW 2018 to be I was like, “Oh! You mean like the modern game critic!”
god of war reboot is everything that's wrong with modern gaming, it tries to be a interactive movie by removing actual gameplay.
wth are you smoking lmao. it's obvious people like you don't actually play the game
do you need a dictionary lesson to know what the word "removing" means?
@agonizing star butterfly why the insult? Ironically, you need the definition because 2018 literally removed elements from the previous games such as platforming, a combo meter, jumping, garb actions, and magic spells
by the way,they announced a new one
@Michal Litecký like most PS games yes lol
@Michal Litecký I would not call god of war 4 a cinematic movie. Detroit become human is cinematic movie type game. If it was there would be no reason for me to pick it up I could just watch it on TH-cam.
He knows
@@wiwkekskkekssjjssjsj8646 alright
@Michal Litecký your comment screams i haven't played the game
The moment I realized the focus was on story was when I noticed there was no trophy for finishing the game in the hardest difficulty.
Platinum was made easier to achieve so that even grandpa can feel rewarded.
As someone who has platinumed both the old games and the new game, fighting Sigrun on the easiest difficulty is harder than fighting any boss in the old games on the hardest difficulty.
GoW was never a hard game series. It was always easy because it was geared towards people who wanted to feel like a god and steamroll everything. This game actually gives GMGOW mode for people who want a challenge, which is more than the previous games ever did for hardcore players.
@@ethanh5553
But the game also gives a reason to not steamroll everything and play flashy and different.
Doing that in very hard difficulty is a challenge.
But i have to admit that the bosses have broken exploits that make gameplay very easy.
I thought Ares and Zeus were super hard bosses from what I remembered but I've watched some videos and they're meh
@@ethanh5553 that's amazing dude, my first playthrough of GOW2018 was in "give me GOW", when I realized there was no trophy I restarted in "give me a challenge." My biggest issue with GMGOW was incentive. After beating the game I wanted to complete it in GMGOW until I found out the only reward you get is skins for the shield the mode is extremely brutal and all the player gets is a couple skins for a shield, maybe it's enough for hardcore fans but they would still complete it even without the skins. The difference in rewards between highest and lowest difficulty is too slim, there's no reason not to take the path of least resistance within the game itself.
@@ethanh5553 yeah no gow2018 was piss easy in comparison
GMGOW at its hardest took me less effort than GoW3 on titan's average fight
Ethan H “GoW was never a hard game series” I disagree with you, there’s a trophy on God of war 3 that’s given to you if you beat the game on the hardest difficulty, and i remember how hard that difficulty was, there’s a part where you’re locked behind a gate and you have to fight Cerberus and a few other creatures and that part was way harder than anything the new god of war throws at you in GMGOW in my opinion.
I understand that God of War 2018 isn’t something that old GOW fans didn’t like. It was necessary to change because Sony Santa Monica were nearly shutdown after God of War Acession failure that almost completely robbed them. The God of War situation wasn’t like Devil May Cry. So this soft reboot was big risk and it was successful for Sony and SMM. But i know some old fans don’t like new direction which is understandable.
Oh my god an actual reasonable statement in this comment section? I might go into cardiac arrest. Imo I dislike the direction they went, but i can see why people like it.
They probably ran out of ideas in that style of games too i'm not too sure though, maybe they were bored and burnt out of it and wanted some new like 2018. Better create a new and good game then milk the old trilogy essentially, *cough cough* rockstar *cough cough*
@@ihavevisionfearme lol you got me.
I noticed a similar issue with Horizon Zero Dawn in regards to platforming. Fairly big open world but you can only climb very specific rocks and platforms but from then on it's just mash the direction button in any one direction and occasionally pressing the jump button. It feels so low effort compared to Assassin's Creed Origins and I used to take the downgraded parkour from ACO for granted.
I think with horizon zero dawn it’s acceptable, as there weren’t any other games in the franchise before it that established a plat forming system, and it is mainly meant to be a game that revolves around a kind of “hunting” style gameplay. To clarify, I mean that the game doesn’t have the same issues as GOW 2018, because it didn’t ‘retcon’ the plat forming.
Its comes Uncharted series were they automate platforming while the characters have dialogue.
I think RE4 was the game that started it all with automated platforming. Kratos jumps over gaps in the exact same way as Leon did.
At least in that game you can fall and die. Rock climbing in GOW today is just filler. Ragnarok was horrible with this. Non stop climbing without risk.
It's funny that early on hard difficulty many moves had to be unlocked, yet enemies can tank so much damage and you ended up using the same moves over and over again because you haven't unlocked anything yet. Later on, you have so many fun and exciting moves but you're so overpowered that you can just breeze through everything so they're already dead before you could do any combo.
Another issue is how many enemies seem to ignore your most damaging attacks such as the wulvers or an enemy that is one level above you, it makes you play tediously passive where your just waiting for them to stop attacking just so you don't get hit
Off topic, but from which manga is your profile picture from?
I was shocked when I learned that playing on harder difficulty and on the lowest difficulty gives the same amount of loot. So it really is just longer fights with bashing enemies over and over if you want a challenge
I don't mean to hate but I never see games that give you better loot just for playing on a higher difficulty. I mainly see games give out special items for completing the game on higher difficulties like this game does. Where are you getting your standards from?
Wait really well those people who play on expert difficulty is just wasting their time bashing nonsense spongey enemy
@@youremother8354 well in a game like this I think there should be better loot for playing on the harder difficulties because at a certain point you're not getting hit anymore by any enemies so it's just boring to keep fighting enemies with huge health bars for no real reason.
@@youremother8354 diablo, also assassin's creed. Diablo makes a significant difference on leveling up though. Plus better loot chances and variety
18:50 is a DIRECT response to what I've heard a few days ago on Reddit(though I can't find it)
Someone said - "if there are skippable cutscenes, why can't games have skippable fights for people who just want the story ?"
And now we have God of War 2018 for those people....
Isn't that a TH-cam Gameplay?
You’re a good critic I can trust. Honesty over greed. Look what happened to YongYea after fanboy appraising Cyberpunk 2077. He lied to us about the game being good and I no longer trust him
But you shouldn't trust him he literally lies in the fucking video
I remember playing Gow1 and there was a specific room in the beginning of the game that spawned endless harpies until you figure out you have to plug up the holes to stop them from flooding the room while you make it across the fragile ceiling.... without telling you
This is an extremely small but effective style of gameplay the first 3 games was filled with which made up a larger picture of unique gameplay that's very vacant in 2018
I love the 2018 game but it's not as great as any of the first 3 games
That's how groundbreakingly amazing the first 3 games were in creativity and execution
I think that is GOW 2 isnt it?
@@LusciousTwinkle GoW2 is just easily over shadowed by the events of 1 and 3 but it's still very solid. They used alot of obscure Greek mythology though so it's like full of crazy stuff we never saw again. What didn't you like about it if I may ask ?
@@Kn1ghtborne I love it! ive just played it! I think the bit with the holes is GOW 2. You have to bash the holes right and then climb up and across. I love ALL all the old games. Read my comment again.
God of War 2018 was my introduction to the series but after recently playing the trilogy I can never look at the new game the same way. I also agree with everything you’ve said in the video and you made some great points, here’s how I rank the games I’ve played so far
1. God of War III
2. God of War II
3. God of War (2005)
4. God of War (2018)
What about the spin-offs?
You should play chains of olympus and ascension
@@RubbinRobbin Ascension is a hella of a game many people hate it but i find it so satisfying to play
lmao, dude didn't play god of war ghost of spartan, or god of war ascension
sorry dude but you dont get a say 20 years later after playing the originals. youd have to play them first and then tbe most recent one to have a proper opinion
You would love DMC. The game doesn't have a combo counter, it has a style meter- instead of rewarding you based on the number of individual hits, it rewards you for things like using a wide variety of attacks, hitting multiple foes with one attack, dodging properly, parrying properly, etc. This naturally encourages you to experiment and discover all the applications of your whole arsenal, because the higher your style rank, the more orbs enemies drop on death, and the more orbs you'll be rewarded with at the end of a mission. The combo also doesn't fully drop if you wait too long, your style rank just starts falling- which is good because it doesn't badly punish the player for backing off when there clearly isn't a safe opening to attack.
Yeah dmc 5 is so refreshing honestly. I was afraid that after the success of God of war 2018 they would dumb down the gameplay too and make the game boring, but nope. The Anime style ridiculousness of DMC is back and better than ever
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE And now special edition is announced, and Vergil's new battle theme slaps harder than a tank shell. There has never been a better time to be a DMC fan than now.
@Steve M You didn't even specify which one you played, there's 6 games "DMC" could be referring to.
there is something different about gow and dmc.
When gow 1 was coming u.had dmc3 which was already great. Gow qas giving u this attachment to character and his path of vengeance. Dmc3 and similars were giving u really heavy story about demons, religion and insane characters.... like lady shooting rocket at u abd u cutting it in 4 pieces....
For me gow was more flashy with simple story that could hook u up. While dmc was real heavy on family drama and stuff
@@spardasquadspqr3535 Can you please check your reply before posting? It's totally fine to have mistakes but there's a point when it gets hard to read.
When I heard the part about grandpa and being made for people that can barely hold a controller I was like ah yes the game journalists and suddenly the high reviews made sense
i think that God Of War (2005) have the best puzzle and challange.
Like every time i wanted to play it again,it always pissed me off and frustated me especially at The Path of Hades lol
Real gamers will likely agree with u. Game journalists...... not so much. Game journalists want the game to be as easy as possible becuz they hate they jobs....they dont really like games.they dont want to get good....or admit that they lack the skill to succeed at a game
game journalist are ruining the industry. proof of that are the game awards
Why is every Fromsoft game sitting around a 90 on Metacritic then?
Let's be honest. This game is the "The Last of Us: North Mythology Edition (featuring Kratos from God of War)"
I loved the older games and played through them many times. Making my way from the lowest to the highest difficultys, as I got better.
In GoW2018, once you know the story, there is no reason to ever play it again.
They took the game out of Videogame and made it a boring interactive video.
The combat of GoW 2018 was fun in the beginning but got boring fast. As soon as Kratos got his Blades back, things started to feel very wrong.
The Blades of Chaos and there different incarnations, were perfect to control the Arena.
The changed camera perspective and limited view, completely negates that advantage making them little more then fan service.
(At least they got us a Variation on the "Spot point an throw weapon at it" puzzles by having to combine to points and adding a timer)
Kratos moving outright slugisch at times does not help either. I know he is supposed to be older but come on. He uses trees like Baseball bats and can litterally flip entire rooms upside down.
Not to mention move entire tempels without, as he puts it, "having trouble with his back".
Talking about the combo bonus in the original games reminded me of the Hydra, the fight that started it all, and how I was able to get a 100+ combo while fighting the smaller heads.
chad
My eyes almost rolled out of my head as soon as brought up doom eternal, but still I saw it coming lol
I went into this video expecting to disagree with you, not because I like the new GoW, but simply because I assumed your expectations would be coming from an angle the devs weren't concerned with. But I really agree with everything you've said here, you make your point well and I think you're correct- particularly on how they've left it so the only part remaining that isn't for "Story" players is the combat, which is a shame.
I know this vid is old, but you know whats the best comparison on this argument? DEVIL MAY CRY 5. DMC 5 didn't really change drastically like GoW did, but its core gameplay and visuals was only improved upon. Much flashier gameplay, better looking than what it once was and higher skill ceiling. What's the result? One of the best action games to date which is DMC 5, I still play it to this day, and DMC 5 is 2 years old. Couldn't agree more with your points, also if they really wanted to do a camera work that's 3rd person which is similar to shooters like RE:2 Remake, they could've made it so without dumbing down the gameplay. I do not understand nowadays why games always sacrifice gameplay for a more cinematic experience. It's not a movie, it's a game, and people enjoy immersive and a well thought-out gameplay loop.
Indeed they had the chance to improve but they chose to go different way unfortunately
God of War 4 changed to a character focused piece with slower combat to more thoughtful Kratos.
To be fair DMC and GoW have completely different histories for doing what they did with their recent games:
Yes DMC5 didnt change munch of the gameplay style and just improved what they did with DMC4 like mechanics and other things(they did more but trying to keep this short lol). Why though? Looking at DMC's history 2 was completely different from 1 and 3 was completely different from both which the end resulted into an amazing game/style. 4 made small changes and combat wise some would argue its better then 3 because they found the style for their series but as an overall game(level design, repeating enemies, rushed development, ect.) people would say it wasnt the best it could be as a follow up to 3. Then we have a HUGE gap till an actual proper sequel is approved. So as a developer it would make sense to keep things combat wise as close as possible with more and do a better job with the issues that were in 4. Essentially it made sense to keep things the same because 1. Can have a 2nd attempt of making the game they wanted without interference 2. The series didnt stagnant because there were only really 2 games people remember fondly over(combat wise/style) and it had a LONG gap since the last game was out so makes sense that people wanted more of 3 and 4.
With the GOW series history; 1, CoO, 2, GoS, 3, and Ascension were all essentially VERY similar. Thats 6 games in the same style(w/ not that much of changing the formula) and with not that much time in between releases. By the time Ascension came out many people felt a little burnt out of the style and its possible the devs were too.
Im not saying the end result of GoW 2018 is better then the old games or that its perfect or ect.
Main point being, I would say the comparison of why GoW didnt just stick to the same formula like DMC did isnt really a fair one to make since they went through completely different histories of development, success, troubles, higher up medaling, ect. for why they made their choices to change their core style or not.
I definitely got bummed out when I realized Kratos could not jump. That was my favorite way to fight in the original trilogy. I would always find some way to fight in the air.
I like RPGs. Something about meticulously choosing armor and weapons to have the perfect setup before combat is oddly satisfying to me. But even I have to admit that sometimes it crossed a line into frustration, since few enemies had many extreme weaknesses or strengths to justify me sitting there for 5 minutes picking out specific armor for them. After a while, I just learned to stick with armor that gave the most health and general damage reduction. I would much prefer a progression system that rewarded riskier play styles, rather than walking around trying to open hundreds of chests.
IKR? HOLD that triangle!! RPGs have their place but GOW was specifically a pared down game so you could concentrate on the combat. and if there is a gold ticket anyway, what the point. All those stats work better with ongoing online games imo.
@Lola Twinkle Also, it goes against the character design because the devs for the first GOW game realised that giving their protagonist more armour only robbed him of personality, so they stripped the armour off and the result?
One of the most recognisable, unique, coolest, intense characters to ever grace video games. Even if people never played GOW, they will still recognise Kratos.
The health and magic management system (in the older games) made a lot of my encounters tense and fun. Alongside with the addition of health/magic chests around the game, and only giving you one of said chest made it even better. If you managed your resources right and were good on health, then you'd have free magic recovery for the next section. If you played too rough and forgot to use your magic, or kept it strategically, then you'd have a free health recovery. It wasn't how it'd go most times tho, as combat would leave you half empty or barely filled in magic and health, so you either took the safe route of picking health, dodging and doing safe combos, or went ballsy and filled your magic bar in hope you could kill your enemies easily. ALSO, since killing enemies with the QTEs rewarded you health or magic, taking the dangerous route was viable. Being a glass cannon for the start of the fight until you get some health back was doable, potentially giving you more red orbs most of the times as well.
It's made more important by the fact that chests give less orbs on higher difficulties, so there is even greater incentive to play smart.
I'm honestly begging to agree more and more with this sentiment. This isn't God of War anymore. I don't know who he is, but it sure as hell ain't Kratos in those games.
I played GOW 2018 recently and I can't say how disappointed I am...
They have butchered my Kratos...
The voice actor, the camera, the combat changes, the platforming, and etc...
Nothing felt right absolutely nothing.
Your critique and the ability to articulate yourself in an enjoyable manor is really impressive.
I was hooked ever single the first God of war video you did and the Alien Isolation review.
This game was such a travesty to me when I first played it in 2018. At first I was pretty optimistic and hopeful that they would make it great, and Norse mythology is one of my favorites in existence. However, aside from the story I really didn't like the rest of the game. The combat was far too clunky, the camera was annoying when being swarmed by enemies, the puzzles were a complete joke, and the walking...mother of god the walking segments. Please let this die in a fire come next gen. I've often seen people claim the reason they changed the gameplay was to show how much "calmer" Kratos had become after dealing with the Greek pantheon, but if you ask me the combat should have been more like Breath of the Wild or just Zelda in general. Also, and I know this is a controversial take, but please let players do what Kratos does in cutscenes. We see him jumping around, throwing boulders, and acting like the badass demigod he is, yet we can't do that in the actual game. Were they trying to ground Kratos? A freaking demigod? I get the devs wanted something new, but this game just wasn't it for me. Very lackluster gameplay, a bad camera, overly long walking segments, poor puzzles, and attack sponge enemies just killed it for me, and that's a shame coming from someone who's been a fan since the first. In fact, the first game was my very first M rated game I ever owned, bought by my dad when I turned 13. So it's pretty special in my book.
When I first saw that the combat was going to be over-the-shoulder, I thought they'd take some inspiration from God Hand. That would have been nice.
For me i would say that the combat can have a good flow to it but there many scenarios where it feels awkward like a small corridor with a lot of enemies or like you said not getting all the information in combat due to the camera.
The removal of jumping still puzzles me after all these years. The reasoning was so ridiculous and pretentious, like how far up yourself can you be to spout something like "the story is too serious to have jumping"? And then Elden Ring comes, it has mysterious, deep story, is a serious game and what did they do? They added dedicated jumping to the Dark Souls formula and it made the gameplay experience better because it opened up more of the vertical axis. Now you can jump and do light and heavy attacks instead of just having aerial attacks that revolve around dropping onto an enemy from a ledge above.
Nothing breaks my immersion quite like forced slowwalking sections and inability to jump.
Man this video was very professionaly done. Just watched the Part 1 and commented on it. This Part was needed for extra explanation.
Somebody get this to Cory. I actually enjoyed myself the first time I played it on (GMGOW Immersive). But you have opened my eyes. I actually went back to GOW3 and realized how fun the combat was.
Wait really ?
I came to get mad but I heard nothing I really disagreed with. You're argumentation style is very clear, concise and persuasive; and your points are made very clearly with the aid of your examples. Good work my guy
God of War, Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden used to be the holy trinity of high quality, hardcore action/adventure games. It's sad to see that only Devil May Cry is continuing it's evolution based on it's original formula. Ninja Gaiden 3 also tried drastically changing it's direction to be focused on story over gameplay, and it resulted in being the worst game in the franchise by far. But because it was critically panned, and the devs realized their mistakes, there is hope for that franchise to be returned to it's original greatness. But as for God of War 2018, because criticism for their game is seen as only being held by the minority, the devs might not fix the problems outlined in these videos.
God of War is changed because it suits with the new mythology kid, its the best comeback ever in Gaming History. While Devil may cry repetitive always the same
You could add bayonetta to the list
I know games need to evolve but what's wrong with making a classic GOW game ? BTW your first video on GOW was great bro. Keep it up.
Part 1 of this series was the reason I subbed to your channel, and I’m a big fan of GBG also. I just miss feeling like a ‘god’ when I play GOW2018. ✌️
Part 1 opened my eyes to why i didn't LOVE this game like i did with the original games. I liked 2018 when i played it, but that was it, it felt like a "prologue" of sorts too with all the story being more of a set-up than anything for the rest of the norse gods and beyond, best example of this being the realms being displayed on the teleporter but locked. So i didnt feel satisfied but had a good time so i just didnt know what i was missing cuz everyone around me was praising it as this marvelous acheivement and great evolution for the franchise. Then i got recommended part 1 for no reason i can think of really. Mayo's points were pretty spot on with what i missed about the old games, (even tho i wasnt that good at them i tried my best as a kid on normal and sometimes hard as i grew older). The puzzles, platforming, and sense of satisfaction from the combat being taken out are the reasons i dont love the new game and Mayo's video made me sure of those feelings.
I love how Doom Eternal sneaks in every video and I never get tired of it lmao
This game has so many flaws! -Stupid story -recycled bosses -lame characters -boring combat -tedious RPG bullshit Many more! I don’t get how can so many people sanctify this game😩
I agree 🙃 people are weird nowadays, I don't need to play it because by the look of it, I already know that I'm already gonna be bored to death, screw the graphics, the gameplay is more important
Dark0 Slayer1 exactly, people have forgotten that in a video game “gameplay is LORD” if that sucks the game sucks
I played all the god of war, from PS to PSP and they are fantastic each in its own way. now the tourist war left me disappointed. I've always used god of war to relieve stress, gow 2018 is frustrating. but midea and youtubers made it bigger than it is.
You are SO RIGHT!
Thanks for providing such great commentary on this game. I really enjoyed it when I played it two years ago, but watching from watching this video and taking the time to listen to what you have to say, you make a lot of good points. Here's hoping the next game improves on this formula. Keep up the great content!
Love this, was born in 2003 and grew up with halo and the Nintendo stuff but never had a snes until the recent re release and played all the older harder games I had never realised how dumb down games had become until then I for one like a challenge and personally think it carrys immersion through difficulty
SOOOO dumbed down. Its very sick. It was like this in the 80s and we had a glorious backlash in the 90s...I dont think you GenZs are up for it though...
Im glad I found a video that gives a different perspective on this game, its like youre saying some of the stuff I thought when 2018 God of War came out. I played God of War 1 2 and 3 and Ascension when they came out and I agree those are better😔
"I don't hate it because it changed"
Also: Hates it because it changed
i can't believe how santa monica betrayed all true god of war fans by replacing it with shit of bore - a game with no combat flow nor dynamic, and absolutely disgusting design, only made 2 attract the inferior gamers with graphics...
under the mayo releasing this vid close to the time the teaser for the next god of war makes me feel uneasy, i hope the devs have plenty of room left to add/change features. i fear the suggestions/recommendations by mayo may not get through, depending on the progress of the next game's development.
Also in all gow games previous to 2018. Depending on how you killed certain enemies you got health, magic, or exp orbs also.
Certain bosses will drop a couple of health, magic and red orbs when you
stagger them in the original gow games.
@@arjuna6224 um is this meant to be a disagreement or an addition to what I said?