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I don't understand why Ford doesn't bring its Explorer EV to the US market. This is where the Explorer started. And with 350mi with native NACS and access to the Tesla Supercharger network, this is a no brainer.
It may not be that easy. The Explorer EV is based on the VW platform. Ford manufactures the Explorer and the Capri in Koln, Germany. Likely this helps with the logistics with VW. Maybe manufacturing these EVs in the USA has some challenges. Regardless, the EV Ford Explorer is a small car next to the US Ford Explorer which is a big SUV.
Originally, the two VW based MEBs were also slated for production at Oakville, then cancelled in favour of 3-row BEV that was in turn cancelled in favour of Super Duty truck production.
All the points made here sound very correct. The problem with all the 'merica stuff is, that innovation is must for military reasons and gdp reasons too. The political aspect must be considered. There is a reason why the gov keep bailing them out. There times when american made stuff where the sht. Now if china sells in this rate, and unions keep messing with the labor force, they will need another bailout. We then will pay it with inflation and taxes.
I like the E-transit but why not sell a version with extra windows and a removable -- or foldable -- back seat for passengers? A cargo - passenger van combo that can cover a range of needs. That I would consider buying. Don't need heated seats and entertainment centers, etc.😂
Me too. It would be the modern version of the 1965 Ford Falcon Club Wagon that my folks owned. We loved that vehicle. I can imagine trading my Tesla for one, when the time comes.
Really? Optimus is exciting, but other than on a factory line . I don't see a lot of uses. It won't walk MY dog. Won't do dishes. I don't fold laundry. Won't shovel snow. I'll still likely buy one tho.
The record on the E-Transit is to be expected as the buy decision is far more likely to be made on a financial basis rather than an emotional one as they are far more likely to be used in a commercial field where annual cost to run is the primary consideration.
Sam, love your unbiased views. Unlike other channels you are very objective; and you present ideas and news from a wide variety of sources. Thanks, buddy.
Unbiased 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is the most biased channel I watch on any subject! I find the bias frustrating & unnecessary, because of that I don’t subscribe and try not to comment & engage. However, I do manually check the site, because it does cover car industry news more regularly than most others. I just wish it was more neutral. I’m not anti EV, and I’m not anti ICE, they both currently have their place, and as EV’s & charging infrastructure continue to develop and improve, I fully expect EV’s to almost completely replace ICE, but they are not there yet, and the EV bias is just irritating & insulting. I don’t know how anyone can describe this channel as ‘unbiased’.
They won't. They were supposed to be releasing it in Australia this year, but now they've decided to release it here never. Promises made, promises not kept. It's a small car, so there's no chance for the US if they won't even bring it here.
Yeah I've just come back from the u.s. and while I was driving around I noticed very few EVs, but lots and lots and lots of fossil fuel cars, brand new as well. I thought exactly the same thing, that America is going to become an isolated market if they don't quickly start adapting to Eevee's
It depends where you were in the USA as EV adoption is somewhat regional. And remember the USA government doesn't force-feed EVs on its citizens, it lets the consumer decide what they want and the auto manufacturers decide what they will build. Plenty of crude oil in the USA so I don't see a need for a sudden switch to EVs.
Depends on where you live. And also lets not forget that the very company that made EVs a thing to begin with is 100% American. In Maryland there are tons of EVs, and felt the opposite as you. Came back from Spain and felt like Spain was way (and I mean waaaaaay) behind: a lot less EVs (crappy cars in general), very small charging network and just a lack of knowledge about EVs in general. But see, I don't generalize and say "Europe" , just because I saw that in Spain.
I just shopped a replacement EV for my Model 3 over the past month or so. The Mach E was a decent offering. I was impressed with the software and screen layout. The reasons I didn’t buy one were:. 1) It really, really needs faster charging. 2) Range was average, but not what I would call impressive. 3) It needs a slightly larger back seat while keeping the same sized trunk. 4) Decent interior, but improved quality of materials would be nice. 5) Ford wasn’t really getting as aggressive on pricing as other companies at the time I was shopping. I.E. value for the money wasn’t quite competitive.
@@farmerned6 yeah, I cook at home on an induction cooktop, it's great. As for heating, heat pumps seem to do a great job, plus ideally you would be in some form of park where you have shore power. I'm also not the kind of person that likes to sleep in freezing temperatures and snow, so that isn't part of my calculus.
Lagacy motors in the US are trying to figure out their new business model.. I say it's got to be less dealers smaller dealerships less employees and less overhead... they are about to lose their cash cow.. the Maintenace department money.. EVs just don't need that level of care to run..
How are ford doing in Europe? I know the Capri and explorer haven't been well recieved. But interested to see how e transit is doing against it's rivals
I like the Ford E-Transit but it has one drawback…estimated range of 149 miles. That is the 2024 model. I wish they had a model that would travel at least 250 miles before charging.
Yes for uses as things like a camper, the range is not enough. It is likely that they could increase the battery and decrease the payload and sell ones for campers.
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I think ford is making the best effort. The f150 is a good reliable truck and the mach e is surprisingly popular. The explorer ev is already in the usa as the id4. You can gauge from that.
And how many Cybertrucks did Tesla say they were going to sell? I can buy a Ford today and charge at the majority of Tesla superchargers with an adapter. I have two adapters so no problem. Of course most Superchargers are 250kw so it doesn't matter if my truck can charge at 350kw. Frankly I've only used a fast charger twice. Just to see if it worked.
I called my local Ford dealer here in BC Canada to look at one as it might fit the bill to replace my wife’s PHEV outlander but they can’t get them fast enough for demand. They only have a couple expensive lariat/platinums and with the ridiculous lighting plant being on break if we ordered one now we wouldn’t get it for about 6 months he said… Come on Ford, people want the cheap pro and XLT lightings! Open the plant and get building!
When apt complex's and condos and duplexes get charging stations in... sales of EVs will sky rocket... Where I live many have homes and will surely charge at home most if not all of the time..
If you don't drive much, stay with gas. But if you put miles/kilometers down, it will matter. I drive 5000km a month, and spend long time in my "mobile office". So i REALLY care. I want decent insulation, good ergonomics and versatility, preferably under 6sec to 100 for emergency, good seats and at least 400km range. I demanded the same from my previous gasoline and diesel cars. Each has a strength. But the electric is the cheapest and the most reliable.
@@Placebo6 And if you only do a few miles - then wait for a cheaper used EV to become available. Keep the gas car - until you realize you don't use it.
What is cutting edge? Let's see, where do we start... EVs have two orders of magnitude less moving parts in the transmission, so they are much cheaper to maintain, you can charge them at home while you sleep (I forgot the last time I had to stop somewhere to keep going, do you gave gas tank in your garage?), they have instant acceleration, much better performance, they are much safer (no engine in front, lower center of gravity, almost always much better safety tech), they are way cheaper to operate, I can keep going all day...
They're selling them at record rates but they are bankrupting themselves with cash incentives to do so, not because people have seen the light and decided to buy BEVs.
Ford should learn how to build a better EV than Tesla and sell 1.8 million EVs at a profit like Tesla did in 2023. That's far more than twice as many EVs as Ford sold in gas F150s.
I agree. Some things I would pay extra to have them removed. There is no reason for there to be any sort of "driving mode". There is a wheel in my hands and some pedals on the floor. That is all the car should need for me to tell it what to do
I like this channel, but it seems like the only things mentioned when it comes to assessing EVs are related to charging. There is more to an EV than range and charging speed. Me, like a huge number of EV drivers that charge at home and make a couple of longer trips per year, I don't even consider them relevant factors. I look at design, features, performance, safety, software, OTA, one pedal driving behavior, self-driving features, etc.
The F-150 hybrid really doesn't offer much to me. For people who need portable power plant probably would be worthwhile. The Lightning seems to take a long time to charge up so not sure how that would work either.
Ford is also offering huge incentives. I've been seeing people getting lightnings for $15-20,000 off msrp, plus 0% financing. I think this goes to show, the biggest thing holding back EVs in the US is price. I think Farley would have been right about that 500,000 number if the lightning started at $39,999 like they originally promised.
Kudos to Ford on their success. Having said that, most any manufacturer can sell more cars if they are willing to lose enough money on each one. Still, credit where credit is due.
My son bought a lightning in August . He just had a bit of a road trip and said a Tesla maybe a better option with more range and using the Tesla infrastructure. He did use the Tesla supercharger and electrify America and Tesla charger was superior . Now just the other day he needed some soil for his garden and the lightning was far superior for that over Tesla minus the cyber truck. It looks like the rebates will end as musk said they should go . So you may have a buying spree to get the tax credit
@ 8:24 , by the time Ford doubles the range of the Transit Van, the Tesla Van would have dominated the EV van market. Typical Ford: too little, too late, and too much market hype
And sales are so good they have put production of the f150 on hold. The lots are overwhelmed with unsold mach es and f150s. The resale of these things is atrocious along with most other used EVS. They are difficult to finance because of rapid depreciation.
EVs will continue to improve but will only be a niche product. Popular sites like Rock Auto sell virtually no EV parts - which means almost zero grass roots support exists for EVs. SEMA - Specialty Equipment Market Association has 7,100 members representing $32 billion annual sales.
EVs will devastate the auto dealer dealers model... EVs just don't need the same level of maintenance or spare parts or the typical trade in at 130 to 160k miles.. EVs and their batteries could very well out last typical ICE fossil fuel cars by several hundred thousand miles... When cars last longer less cars are sold to replace them...
There's a lot to unpack here, Sam. The reason hybrids are selling better than EVs in America is largely due to the mindset surrounding range as a form of freedom and peace of mind. Many people depend on their vehicles to function reliably, regardless of the weather or location. I appreciate EVs, but I understand the concerns about using an electric truck for work or personal purposes. In winter, temperatures can drop to -45°F here, and the highway speed limit is 70 mph. For instance, if the Ford Lightning is traveling at 70 mph on a 70°F day, it can achieve around 2 miles per kilowatt-hour (mpkW). However, if that same truck is operating at 70 mph in temperatures of -20°F or lower, it may only manage about 0.9 mpkW-and that’s without using any heat. This is a significant issue in this region. EVs are seen as unreliable in cold weather-not in the sense of being faulty, but rather in terms of not being dependable for making it to work and back.
I agree with this premise if one is talking pickups or work trucks. I think EV tech for trucks is not there. But I do disagree when you are hitting the 3.5 mile per kWh point such as the small SUV or passenger car level. Range is not really a big deal until you need it. Most people tend to drive under a 100-125 miles a day. If you have a range of 300 miles at 70F , you are fine. If your range drops to 180 miles at -25F you’re fine. I don’t live in Alaska, but I do live in the northeastern US. Temps seldom go down below -5 and usually that is maybe three or four times a winter. With overnight charging and preconditioning while plugged in and efficient heat pumps, the range loss due temp is not that severe as 60%. It is more like 15-20% and to feel that much drop you have to be pushing the distance to limits. Painting all EVs with this broad brush is really a negative that suggests EVs cannot work for everyone when is cold. Not true and Norway has proven that.
@Yippydog I actually agree with you. I worked for many years for a company that produces electric. I have over half a million miles in electric trucks at this point. My concern with the electric vehicles is general adoption. Unless the vehicles can be seen as operationally reliable and financially consistent, meaning they cost the same to operate every single month, general adoption will be slow. People want to know what their monthly budget is. Companies want to know what their monthly operational standards are. Electric vehicles can do a lot of really good things. They are the right tool for many jobs. They are not the right tool for every job.
The Electric Barbarian forgot to mention that... Ford is not currently making money on its electric vehicles (EVs): -Ford's EV division has lost billions of dollars in recent years: -In the first half of 2024, Ford's Model e operations lost nearly $2.5 billion -In 2023, Ford's Model e operations lost $4.7 billion -In the first nine months of 2024, Ford's EV division lost $3.7 billion
Why concern yourself if the vehicle is capable of also being a “road rocket”? What’s lost on so many is the quickness is just a consequence of the same thing that allows it to easily tow, is just a by product of the highly efficient & durable drivetrain
Let me guess: -most sold cars with the highest loss -most losses in a quarter -most EV-produced but not sold -most returned EVs but still in the sales statistic
The Mach E is a nice looking vehicle. It is now 3 years old and Ford, sadly, doesn't plan to start selling second generation vehicles until 2027! The Mach E has only 5.8" of ground clearance, basically a sedan, and that is a no go for those of us who live in snow country. It is 2" narrower than the Ford Edge and 4" less in height. The Edge is a very good SUV and you would think that they would come out with a second generation Edge SUV EV at the Oakville plant. Instead, the Oakville, Ontario Canada plant was being converted to a 3 row EV SUV. Ford canceled that at a loss of almost 2 billion dollars. They are now converting the plant to make Super Duty diesel trucks. Ford keeps talking about the "revolutionary" EVs coming in 2027 but that is three years away. In the interim, other manufacturers will have many more EVs. GM for example, will have 7 EVs shortly (they already make EV Blazers, Equinox and Lyric in the SUV segment) and GM says that their EVs will be profitable in the 4th quarter of 2024. Sadly, Ford seems lost in their EV planning. I hope they wake up soon before the Chinese run them and other legacy automakers out of business.
Americans tend not to understand the concept that we only have 4% of the world’s population. As Sam points out, if our domestic car companies are only selling to 4% of the population, they will not survive.
Your title is vague as this is a record for Ford, not overall. So that is not saying much in the industry compared to Tesla etc. Plus are these sales to dealers as they are usually counted with traditional oems, and not to consumers. So these cars may just be on dealer lots sitting, and not actually sold to consumers. So why is this point even relevant?
It's funny almost, Ford, Chevy, let Tesla get a decade head start on them. Then they come out with their own substandard EV's, then make claims like we are going to sell 250,000 this year. Then when that doesn't come to be, they seem to want to not make more or invest more into them . Ford, Chevy and others need to catch up on improving what they have and be patient the sales will eventually come. It also took Tesla a while to catch on.
Ford's EVs are good enough. You don't need great masses of new technology to sell people a car. You just need the car that does what they need done and at a price they are willing to pay.
Sold 11 K in November to who dealerships ? Tesla sales to individual owners that's what people don't understand . That's what these car companies need to do sell straight to the consumer, not to the dealerships .
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I don't want "leading edge" in an EV. I want decent range and affordability, that's all.
Agreed, well said
Me too. My purchases in the past were not based on 0-60 times, hp, etc.
Decent range & affordability is " leading edge" This has been Teslas goal all along.
I don't want an EV .
@@clinger007ringer-xu2ir Have you tried a Tesla?
I have a F-150 Lightning and I love it!!
another huge ego massager.
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I would love to have a F-150 Lightning. Congratulations.
@@metricstormtrooper In just four words ("another huge ego massager") you have told everybody that you: (1) like to engage in virtue signalling; (2) find it intolerable that some people like things that don't appeal to you; and (3) make gratuitous, insulting comments to express that intolerance. Well done! I'm impressed you can convey so much about yourself in just four words! With such an economical yet expressive use of language, you are surely destined for numerous literary awards. I can offer only one humble bit of advice to help you on your way: sentences should start with a capital letter.
@@CiaranMcHale Totally.
I don't understand why Ford doesn't bring its Explorer EV to the US market. This is where the Explorer started. And with 350mi with native NACS and access to the Tesla Supercharger network, this is a no brainer.
It may not be that easy. The Explorer EV is based on the VW platform. Ford manufactures the Explorer and the Capri in Koln, Germany. Likely this helps with the logistics with VW.
Maybe manufacturing these EVs in the USA has some challenges.
Regardless, the EV Ford Explorer is a small car next to the US Ford Explorer which is a big SUV.
Originally, the two VW based MEBs were also slated for production at Oakville, then cancelled in favour of 3-row BEV that was in turn cancelled in favour of Super Duty truck production.
Marketing manager - Stuart Pidd - don’t want no EV in ‘Murrica
All the points made here sound very correct. The problem with all the 'merica stuff is, that innovation is must for military reasons and gdp reasons too. The political aspect must be considered. There is a reason why the gov keep bailing them out. There times when american made stuff where the sht. Now if china sells in this rate, and unions keep messing with the labor force, they will need another bailout. We then will pay it with inflation and taxes.
Wrong size. Better to call it the Ford Flex
Incentives, XLT Lightning has 0% finance for 72 months plus $4,500 cash plus free home charger.
I noticed some really good deals for the XLTs. 50k with incentives
72 months? lol
@@francismarion6400 correct it’s on Ford USA website, 6 years 0% financing plus $4,500 cash plus a free home charger
@@1diggers1I’ve heard of deals better than that on some Lightning’s with good options on them, down around $44,000, or less.
I like the E-transit but why not sell a version with extra windows and a removable -- or foldable -- back seat for passengers? A cargo - passenger van combo that can cover a range of needs.
That I would consider buying. Don't need heated seats and entertainment centers, etc.😂
Me too. It would be the modern version of the 1965 Ford Falcon Club Wagon that my folks owned. We loved that vehicle. I can imagine trading my Tesla for one, when the time comes.
As mentioned, the European ford Explorer is a thinly disguised VW iD 4 🤔
Bit better and more refined.
and yet, that has nothing to do with this video.
@@davidwebster2616 I beg to differ, in that he said it would be good if the European Explorer was available in the US, but it kinda already is 🤷
So it'll pass the diesel emission tests then? :D
or choose the Audi, Seat or Skoda version if you dont like the design.
Over all EVs will be the great disrupters of the century.
Maybe second to Optimus.
Really? Optimus is exciting, but other than on a factory line . I don't see a lot of uses.
It won't walk MY dog. Won't do dishes. I don't fold laundry. Won't shovel snow. I'll still likely buy one tho.
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The record on the E-Transit is to be expected as the buy decision is far more likely to be made on a financial basis rather than an emotional one as they are far more likely to be used in a commercial field where annual cost to run is the primary consideration.
People like the warranty and the service availability .
Yes but what is their cost base for manufacturing a ford electric?
Sold 85k, lost 1.25 billion on them 😂
They invested that money in R&D. Now they need to make more cars to pay it back, then profit.
That Ford Explorer EV looks a heck of a lot like the Fisker Ocean.
Sam, love your unbiased views. Unlike other channels you are very objective; and you present ideas and news from a wide variety of sources. Thanks, buddy.
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😂 when has he ever done an anti EV video??
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This is the most biased channel I watch on any subject!
I find the bias frustrating & unnecessary, because of that I don’t subscribe and try not to comment & engage. However, I do manually check the site, because it does cover car industry news more regularly than most others. I just wish it was more neutral. I’m not anti EV, and I’m not anti ICE, they both currently have their place, and as EV’s & charging infrastructure continue to develop and improve, I fully expect EV’s to almost completely replace ICE, but they are not there yet, and the EV bias is just irritating & insulting. I don’t know how anyone can describe this channel as ‘unbiased’.
So much nicer to have the intro at the start of the video. Good vid.
The "Home Integration Kit" doesn't work. Buy the Truck with the larger inverter onboard and use a transfer switch... it'll save you $15k.
Yes, I have seen more than one video basically saying that. You can switchover manually rather than fight with a box that doesn't do it when it should
Take a look at Ford Puma EV in Europe. I hope they bring it to North America. It looks really good.
They won't. They were supposed to be releasing it in Australia this year, but now they've decided to release it here never. Promises made, promises not kept. It's a small car, so there's no chance for the US if they won't even bring it here.
@alexishart1989 why is that all we get are grotesque pickup trucks
Yeah I've just come back from the u.s. and while I was driving around I noticed very few EVs, but lots and lots and lots of fossil fuel cars, brand new as well. I thought exactly the same thing, that America is going to become an isolated market if they don't quickly start adapting to Eevee's
It depends where you were in the USA as EV adoption is somewhat regional. And remember the USA government doesn't force-feed EVs on its citizens, it lets the consumer decide what they want and the auto manufacturers decide what they will build. Plenty of crude oil in the USA so I don't see a need for a sudden switch to EVs.
yes in California upwards of 7% of car owners owns ev's.
@@francismarion6400i live in California, nahhh, 99% of vehicles I see driving around in the LA area are gas
Depends on where you live. And also lets not forget that the very company that made EVs a thing to begin with is 100% American. In Maryland there are tons of EVs, and felt the opposite as you. Came back from Spain and felt like Spain was way (and I mean waaaaaay) behind: a lot less EVs (crappy cars in general), very small charging network and just a lack of knowledge about EVs in general. But see, I don't generalize and say "Europe" , just because I saw that in Spain.
@@crosslink1493that's the problem nobody sees a reason to switch. Surely you have heard of climate change
Fantastic! Glad to hear a big legacy can sell EVs
What choice do we have? Ford has one car.
I just shopped a replacement EV for my Model 3 over the past month or so. The Mach E was a decent offering. I was impressed with the software and screen layout. The reasons I didn’t buy one were:. 1) It really, really needs faster charging. 2) Range was average, but not what I would call impressive. 3) It needs a slightly larger back seat while keeping the same sized trunk. 4) Decent interior, but improved quality of materials would be nice. 5) Ford wasn’t really getting as aggressive on pricing as other companies at the time I was shopping. I.E. value for the money wasn’t quite competitive.
I look forward to a Ford e-Transit with over 300mi of range when fully loaded. I think that would crush it in the vanlife world.
hmmmm
heating/cooking on top of a EV battery?
thermal runaway will keep you warm all night long
@@farmerned6 yeah, I cook at home on an induction cooktop, it's great. As for heating, heat pumps seem to do a great job, plus ideally you would be in some form of park where you have shore power. I'm also not the kind of person that likes to sleep in freezing temperatures and snow, so that isn't part of my calculus.
@farmerned6
As opposed to cooking with the more volatile tank of propane over a tank much more volatile gasoline?
Stop falling for the FUD
Has it maybe something to do with the opening of the Tesla chargers for Ford???
Lagacy motors in the US are trying to figure out their new business model.. I say it's got to be less dealers smaller dealerships less employees and less overhead... they are about to lose their cash cow.. the Maintenace department money.. EVs just don't need that level of care to run..
less suppliers more vertical integration
How are ford doing in Europe? I know the Capri and explorer haven't been well recieved. But interested to see how e transit is doing against it's rivals
I like the Ford E-Transit but it has one drawback…estimated range of 149 miles. That is the 2024 model. I wish they had a model that would travel at least 250 miles before charging.
Yes for uses as things like a camper, the range is not enough. It is likely that they could increase the battery and decrease the payload and sell ones for campers.
Wish Ford would bring the ford Explorer would come to the US, looks super nice and is right in the sweet spot for US market..
I enjoy the Mach-e a lot after 10,000 miles and would plan to buy an F150 lightning.
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I think ford is making the best effort. The f150 is a good reliable truck and the mach e is surprisingly popular. The explorer ev is already in the usa as the id4. You can gauge from that.
I would like Ford to make a real Mustang EV. Not an SUV but a retro 70s sports car.
Good luck...
Well, it's entirely possible - but you'll need to build it yourself. Not impossible, I converted a 1969 MGB to electric - and that was 14 years ago.
And how many Cybertrucks did Tesla say they were going to sell? I can buy a Ford today and charge at the majority of Tesla superchargers with an adapter. I have two adapters so no problem. Of course most Superchargers are 250kw so it doesn't matter if my truck can charge at 350kw. Frankly I've only used a fast charger twice. Just to see if it worked.
Charge at home on level 2? Using some solar PV?
Mustang is A$72k for unsold 2023 stock (US$46k)
in Australia
They sell about 60 units a month here
Tesla model y average 1700 per month in 2024
Good video 👏🏽
Thanks 💯
Ford does produce many truck/van commercial type options.🎉🎉
The E transit showing is not the one sold in the United States
1:45 Ford Explorer is built on MEB :-(
European Explorer, that is
They haven't reached the US yet.
So a restyled VW.
Hey mate, have you even driven a Mach e?
I called my local Ford dealer here in BC Canada to look at one as it might fit the bill to replace my wife’s PHEV outlander but they can’t get them fast enough for demand. They only have a couple expensive lariat/platinums and with the ridiculous lighting plant being on break if we ordered one now we wouldn’t get it for about 6 months he said…
Come on Ford, people want the cheap pro and XLT lightings! Open the plant and get building!
You do realize that Ford Motor Company loses thousands of dollars on every electric vehicle they sell, right?
Record Sales = Record Losses.
Sales means demand and that's the point. Tesla even lost money at first. Now they are making fistfuls
Wrong. Slow sales means you don't recoup your R&D or tooling. The more you sell, the better your profit. Need to make LOTS more.
they had a chance to sell one to us but their dealerships SUCKS!
When apt complex's and condos and duplexes get charging stations in... sales of EVs will sky rocket... Where I live many have homes and will surely charge at home most if not all of the time..
Ford's best EV sales record is for the large amount of money they have lost on every single one of them.
That they have invested and retooling a factory is expensive.
The more they sell, the closer they are to profitability. The less they sell, the closer they get to bankruptcy.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Unless they tried to sell none at all , then they would be very profitable.
What is there in electric cars that is cutting edge I only care if it is affordable, reliable
If you don't drive much, stay with gas. But if you put miles/kilometers down, it will matter. I drive 5000km a month, and spend long time in my "mobile office". So i REALLY care. I want decent insulation, good ergonomics and versatility, preferably under 6sec to 100 for emergency, good seats and at least 400km range. I demanded the same from my previous gasoline and diesel cars. Each has a strength. But the electric is the cheapest and the most reliable.
@@Placebo6 And if you only do a few miles - then wait for a cheaper used EV to become available. Keep the gas car - until you realize you don't use it.
What is cutting edge? Let's see, where do we start... EVs have two orders of magnitude less moving parts in the transmission, so they are much cheaper to maintain, you can charge them at home while you sleep (I forgot the last time I had to stop somewhere to keep going, do you gave gas tank in your garage?), they have instant acceleration, much better performance, they are much safer (no engine in front, lower center of gravity, almost always much better safety tech), they are way cheaper to operate, I can keep going all day...
With so many people buying hybrids the fudge is working.
Pretty easy to break sales records by losing 10-50k for every car sold. No brainer.
they al make a loss
Agreed
Even easier by losing 90-100k per you nit!
Good news for America
What Ford mentioned is 600K EVs annual production rate by end of 2024, means 150K EVs in the last quarter of 2024.
Breaking 10k in one month is impressive for Ford!
GM has been doing quite well also, so excited to see their quarterly sales.
I really like this video, Electric Viking! Keep up the good work from Las Vegas, from Korean-American POV.
They're selling them at record rates but they are bankrupting themselves with cash incentives to do so, not because people have seen the light and decided to buy BEVs.
Ford should learn how to build a better EV than Tesla and sell 1.8 million EVs at a profit like Tesla did in 2023.
That's far more than twice as many EVs as Ford sold in gas F150s.
I love me my Ford. I'm rooting for them.
You prefer the electric over the hybrid because you are the Electric Viking, not the Hybrid Viking
Hybrids are the worst of both worlds, but dealers love them for the high price and service requirements.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Yes, they are, and also the best of both worlds. They are "electric" without range anxiety and "CO2 economizers".
The car wee the people need is a reliable fast charging comfortable safe and good mileage that is it. No need for !! High technology = gadgets.
I agree. Some things I would pay extra to have them removed. There is no reason for there to be any sort of "driving mode". There is a wheel in my hands and some pedals on the floor. That is all the car should need for me to tell it what to do
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11,000!
lol!
How many did Nio sell? And you said that was a weak number!
I like this channel, but it seems like the only things mentioned when it comes to assessing EVs are related to charging. There is more to an EV than range and charging speed. Me, like a huge number of EV drivers that charge at home and make a couple of longer trips per year, I don't even consider them relevant factors. I look at design, features, performance, safety, software, OTA, one pedal driving behavior, self-driving features, etc.
But if you want to sell EV’s to the masses those are the two things that matter most !
The F-150 hybrid really doesn't offer much to me. For people who need portable power plant probably would be worthwhile. The Lightning seems to take a long time to charge up so not sure how that would work either.
Ford is also offering huge incentives. I've been seeing people getting lightnings for $15-20,000 off msrp, plus 0% financing. I think this goes to show, the biggest thing holding back EVs in the US is price. I think Farley would have been right about that 500,000 number if the lightning started at $39,999 like they originally promised.
Kudos to Ford on their success. Having said that, most any manufacturer can sell more cars if they are willing to lose enough money on each one. Still, credit where credit is due.
Sales or registrations?
There's a difference.
Great comments Sam on how we need to remain open here in America on EVs regardless of politics. Much thanks on that much needed reality.
My son bought a lightning in August . He just had a bit of a road trip and said a Tesla maybe a better option with more range and using the Tesla infrastructure. He did use the Tesla supercharger and electrify America and Tesla charger was superior . Now just the other day he needed some soil for his garden and the lightning was far superior for that over Tesla minus the cyber truck. It looks like the rebates will end as musk said they should go . So you may have a buying spree to get the tax credit
Ending rebates favors Tesla over the competition.
"the other day he needed some soil for his garden and the lightning was far superior for that over Tesla minus the cyber truck"
Why?
@ 8:24 , by the time Ford doubles the range of the Transit Van, the Tesla Van would have dominated the EV van market.
Typical Ford: too little, too late, and too much market hype
What Tesla van ?
And sales are so good they have put production of the f150 on hold. The lots are overwhelmed with unsold mach es and f150s. The resale of these things is atrocious along with most other used EVS. They are difficult to finance because of rapid depreciation.
With a battery starting at 98KWH - you can power a home for about 10 days (in reality, more like 5) F150
EVs will continue to improve but will only be a niche product. Popular sites like Rock Auto sell virtually no EV parts - which means almost zero grass roots support exists for EVs. SEMA - Specialty Equipment Market Association has 7,100 members representing $32 billion annual sales.
thats pretty good.
Are Ford making a profit on BEV sales or how much are they losing.
Hey Ford - please sell the Explorer EV in North America.
Many CTs sitting in service centers for months.....i think the truck EV market is having issues
And they sold 93 Mustang mach-e in Germany! Okay, they sold more in the past.
EVs will devastate the auto dealer dealers model... EVs just don't need the same level of maintenance or spare parts or the typical trade in at 130 to 160k miles.. EVs and their batteries could very well out last typical ICE fossil fuel cars by several hundred thousand miles... When cars last longer less cars are sold to replace them...
Wait, let me pull out my violin.
ford explorer in europe in fact is VW ID
You said these sales are just for North America, the United States... Which one is it?
It's hard to believe anyone is buying anything in this economy but I guess they just extend the loan time frame.😢
There's a lot to unpack here, Sam. The reason hybrids are selling better than EVs in America is largely due to the mindset surrounding range as a form of freedom and peace of mind. Many people depend on their vehicles to function reliably, regardless of the weather or location. I appreciate EVs, but I understand the concerns about using an electric truck for work or personal purposes.
In winter, temperatures can drop to -45°F here, and the highway speed limit is 70 mph. For instance, if the Ford Lightning is traveling at 70 mph on a 70°F day, it can achieve around 2 miles per kilowatt-hour (mpkW). However, if that same truck is operating at 70 mph in temperatures of -20°F or lower, it may only manage about 0.9 mpkW-and that’s without using any heat. This is a significant issue in this region. EVs are seen as unreliable in cold weather-not in the sense of being faulty, but rather in terms of not being dependable for making it to work and back.
I agree with this premise if one is talking pickups or work trucks. I think EV tech for trucks is not there. But I do disagree when you are hitting the 3.5 mile per kWh point such as the small SUV or passenger car level. Range is not really a big deal until you need it. Most people tend to drive under a 100-125 miles a day. If you have a range of 300 miles at 70F , you are fine. If your range drops to 180 miles at -25F you’re fine. I don’t live in Alaska, but I do live in the northeastern US. Temps seldom go down below -5 and usually that is maybe three or four times a winter. With overnight charging and preconditioning while plugged in and efficient heat pumps, the range loss due temp is not that severe as 60%. It is more like 15-20% and to feel that much drop you have to be pushing the distance to limits. Painting all EVs with this broad brush is really a negative that suggests EVs cannot work for everyone when is cold. Not true and Norway has proven that.
@Yippydog I actually agree with you. I worked for many years for a company that produces electric. I have over half a million miles in electric trucks at this point. My concern with the electric vehicles is general adoption. Unless the vehicles can be seen as operationally reliable and financially consistent, meaning they cost the same to operate every single month, general adoption will be slow. People want to know what their monthly budget is. Companies want to know what their monthly operational standards are. Electric vehicles can do a lot of really good things. They are the right tool for many jobs. They are not the right tool for every job.
Ford has a dealership problem that prevents it from selling more EVs.
The Electric Barbarian forgot to mention that...
Ford is not currently making money on its electric vehicles (EVs):
-Ford's EV division has lost billions of dollars in recent years:
-In the first half of 2024, Ford's Model e operations lost nearly $2.5 billion
-In 2023, Ford's Model e operations lost $4.7 billion
-In the first nine months of 2024, Ford's EV division lost $3.7 billion
Maybe the losses making EVs is offset against carbon taxes on ICE vehicles, and Ford pay themselves. Just saying.
Surprised, no coverage of the Northvolt bankruptcy !
The Ford Mustang EV looks awesome. Makes Teslas look like plain janes
Ford will survive, like I've always said while others said it won't .
Price needs to be reduced......improvements in battery life and technology
He is part Dalek part human 😂😂😂😂OBEY !
Why sales 4 Ford E150 is down?
Not next year when tariffs hit the usa exports into Canada
Trump is talking about tariffs on items FROM Canada (lumber, oil etc.), so the people in the US will be paying 25% more for lumber gas and so on.
A moderately boring vehicle is probably the best approach; why spend money on a road rocket when you need a workhorse?
I wonder how many were fleet orders...
Why concern yourself if the vehicle is capable of also being a “road rocket”? What’s lost on so many is the quickness is just a consequence of the same thing that allows it to easily tow, is just a by product of the highly efficient & durable drivetrain
Let me guess:
-most sold cars with the highest loss
-most losses in a quarter
-most EV-produced but not sold
-most returned EVs but still in the sales statistic
Dutch angle on this one? 😉
The Mach E is a nice looking vehicle. It is now 3 years old and Ford, sadly, doesn't plan to start selling second generation vehicles until 2027! The Mach E has only 5.8" of ground clearance, basically a sedan, and that is a no go for those of us who live in snow country. It is 2" narrower than the Ford Edge and 4" less in height. The Edge is a very good SUV and you would think that they would come out with a second generation Edge SUV EV at the Oakville plant. Instead, the Oakville, Ontario Canada plant was being converted to a 3 row EV SUV. Ford canceled that at a loss of almost 2 billion dollars. They are now converting the plant to make Super Duty diesel trucks. Ford keeps talking about the "revolutionary" EVs coming in 2027 but that is three years away. In the interim, other manufacturers will have many more EVs. GM for example, will have 7 EVs shortly (they already make EV Blazers, Equinox and Lyric in the SUV segment) and GM says that their EVs will be profitable in the 4th quarter of 2024. Sadly, Ford seems lost in their EV planning. I hope they wake up soon before the Chinese run them and other legacy automakers out of business.
Yes, their EVs are aging and they charge so slow compared to rivals! The next-gen EVs should have been released now, not 2027.
Americans tend not to understand the concept that we only have 4% of the world’s population. As Sam points out, if our domestic car companies are only selling to 4% of the population, they will not survive.
yeah - BUT - what % of the world population can actually afford a brand new car at US prices? 20% maybe?
but what if you put up tarrifs and only make $100k suvs and pick up trucks
It’s laughable when the cars sold are just to dealers. Nothing amazing about them. Now the new M3P? Damn! That thing is a beast.
Your title is vague as this is a record for Ford, not overall. So that is not saying much in the industry compared to Tesla etc. Plus are these sales to dealers as they are usually counted with traditional oems, and not to consumers. So these cars may just be on dealer lots sitting, and not actually sold to consumers. So why is this point even relevant?
It's funny almost, Ford, Chevy, let Tesla get a decade head start on them. Then they come out with their own substandard EV's, then make claims like we are going to sell 250,000 this year. Then when that doesn't come to be, they seem to want to not make more or invest more into them . Ford, Chevy and others need to catch up on improving what they have and be patient the sales will eventually come. It also took Tesla a while to catch on.
Ford's EVs are good enough. You don't need great masses of new technology to sell people a car. You just need the car that does what they need done and at a price they are willing to pay.
With one car, they can't do that. And it was overpriced.
@@jamesvandamme7786 A car for me would not be complicated and really that is all that should matter to them. No other customer is important.
That's not the transit van sold in North America.
The title for this is wrong its ford ev's break!
Sold 11 K in November to who dealerships ? Tesla sales to individual owners that's what people don't understand . That's what these car companies need to do sell straight to the consumer, not to the dealerships .
Context police... Ford won't have an EV that will come anywhere close to making the 2024 U.S. top 25 auto sales.
in a market without real competition... just a hollow victory..
Tesla's competition is coming 😂😂 (All over them self) 😂