"Don't Make _____ Political" | Fallout Show Analysis
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10/10 Well said;
Been playing fallout since the 90's- It's ALWAYS been political, and that's part of what I love about it.
I've always been amused by the 'Don't make thing that is obviously and inherently political... political.' because it tells me that the person saying it has extreme media illiteracy, and is almost certainly the EXACT person who needs to consume more of that media.
REAL! I totally agree.
Acting like media literacy is in any way important. I couldn't imagine letting politics live rent free my head.
@@lukeshaffer5011you clicked on the video. Clearly it's lingering in there somewhere.
@@lukeshaffer5011 It's less about letting "Politics" live rent free in your head, and more about becoming a well rounded critical thinker.
Whether you like it or not, you live in a society that is decided by people's political philosophies.
You can choose to live life free of that thought as best you can, but don't go complaining when other people make choices without you.
Or you can choose to be more mindful of messages, rhetoric, and ideas that influence day to day life, and take part in making a world that both you and others want to live in.
"Don't make things political" is a dog whistle. What they really mean is "keep minorities out of media".
holy shit legendary algortihm pull. 300 subs and making peak content? crazy
Quite simply one of the best fallout videos I’ve ever seen. I’ve always thought similarly just didn’t know how to put into words as you did
Saying Bethesda is the foundation of Fallout is like saying to the man trying to rebuild his house that the foundation of his new house was the arsenist who burned it down.
it was about bethesda's Fallout 3 being the mechanical foundation, the literal engine of how you move, fight, etc
Bethesda isn't an arsonist. Interplay burned down because they weren't selling games, so Bethesda bought Fallout and now its a very popular franchise with a TV show. Bethesda saved Fallout from the ashes of Interplay, whether you like the direction they took, it doesn't matter. Fallout only exists today because of Bethesda.
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"by itself this is a great ironic twist that in my mind should be canon"
Never have I took my like and sub so fast. Bye
The only reason New Vegas works as a political piece in gaming is cause it handles the political ideologies of the Mojave with care instead of scrutinizing them. Even Caesar doesn't have the cookie cutter bad guy excuse for doing the things he does with his Legion.
It greatly depends on how it's presented. When it feels like finger pointing or preachy people get upset or tune out. Fallout just presents its world as it is and lets the player/viewer make up their mind about what's right and wrong. That's the proper way to do politics in media.
I like this analysis of the show, but I think the perception that fallout 4 isn't very political isn't really accurate. The entire game sort of centers around the synths and whether or not theyre a danger to the commonwealth, whether they should be treated as humans, and if the institute is morally wrong for creating them. It argues consciousness, humanity, and furthermore this is a political element that we don't see universal agreement on among fallout fans. And as well, it adds the usual fallout thematic points (capitalism, resource wars, etc). I agree fallout 4 has less substance to offer in terms of diverse philosophy or tough decisions than NV, but it does have a narrative focus.
Regardless, subbed.
Fallout 4 politics are more about personal liberties, none of the factions of F4 want to stablish a new regime, neither change what already works, caps, upper class, rulling class, only the Minutemen is interested in city-states, the BoS doesn't tamper with the civilian population, Railroad doesn't care at all about the rest of the world
OG Fallouts and New Vegas are about sociopolitical conflicts, gun runners, Mr House, Mob city states like New Reno, Brahamin Barons, currency making, economy, imperialist campaigns, rebel tribes
I feel like they flubbed the writing at the ending because it’s produced by two capitalist corporations and they wanted to portray “corporations are evil” in a way that trivializes it, Hoping it makes people not take the moral of the story seriously. Like “oh well they’re just evil, that’s not how real corporations operate”
That scene with Matt Berry and Coop at the pool had a line that I took to be a sneaky shot at Amazon. When Matt Berry says that he didn't get much $ for voicing Mr. Handy because "Robco bought the studio..."
No, it's likely that they really think that's how it works (see the writer interview, they are convinced is the true message). They have decades of material to show how rotten and immoral those corpo are (in a believable way) but they went for cartoonish. Austin powers doctor evil would laugh at those.
It's likely that they really think that's how it works (see the writer interview, they are convinced is the true message). They have decades of material to show how rotten and immoral those corpo are (in a believable way) but they went for cartoon villains. Austin powers doctor evil would laugh at those.
@@marcofogli4317 in the games that's how they are.
@@VEE0034 This is a blatant lie, you have no idea what you are talking about sorry. In the games they are evil, not dumb. How is it even possible to get to this conclusion if you ever played even one game (maybe except 76)? Never heard of the military, enclave and government and their generation ship program? Because that is why they run those experiments. Its twisted but make sense. You never noticed that in the game the military, government, vault tec and even the enclave are completely gone, destroyed, nothing of those organization stands?
1:08
Doubt. Even when F3 was released, the game looked bit dated compared to other releases.
Also, Obsidian for sure would use other engine with custom made models, if not for bethesda forcing them to make a game in this shitty ass engine.
When Fallout 3 released the masterpiece that is GTA 4 was already making waves with its realistic physics and mechanics
Bethesda is lazy AF
dude bethesda didnt have the only engine that couldve had a 3d fallout. new vegas wouldve been great no matter what engine it was on. everything that ur saying that bethesda did couldve realistically been done by any other company. it was already kind of outdated by the time it released
Loved the video as always! The politics of Fallout have always been a major component to both its competence & coherence as a story as well as to its success, and the modern trend of ignorance to blatant themes and storytelling has attempted to sabotage this critical pillar. I'm glad that the show doubled down on the political theming that the series felt like it was losing in Fallout 4, and I hope they continue to make it this apparent going forward
Good video, I never thought of how on the nose that scene is with the axis of evil. If this was real, they’d definitely just try to come up with a legit enough sounding excuse to nuke some place instead of talking like they’re crafting some evil master plan.
of course things aren't always 100% apolitical, but they have a sense of apoliticalness in them. new vegas for example doesn't force you to pick one faction and gives you any de buffs or major disadvantages. what you are saying is a surface level reading of when people say to "not make __ political". Fallout isn't about if capitalism or socialism is more evil or worse off.
Something that I think motives a lot of the "Fallout isn't political" talk is that while Fallout is about politics, it's almost never about political issues. It's far more concerned with the grand narrative of political struggles than with hot-button issues you'd hear about on TV. Like New Vegas doesn't have a side quest about abortion rights, it has a DLC about the tension between pacifism and pragmatism told through two Mormon missionaries (or whatever it is you interpret Honest Hearts to be about). It's that preference for big ideas that makes it hard for people to realize how political Fallout is, and honestly, I think the "Fallout isn't political" crowd is right that we shouldn't drag Fallout into the mud with hamfisted political allegories. There are so many other pieces of media that can handle that, and so few that get people to think deeply about the real fundamental principles they believe in.
It makes a fictional world feel alive and is a good thing, thought provoking. The mistake is when people think they must translate their real world politics in a fictional setting, it does not mix well and comes out as a mess.
Fallout *IS* political. The entire series is, and was from the get-go. The problem is that too many people on the Internet today correlate demographic representation with "politics," as if the games don't already have numerous gay characters.
This lapse in reasoning always detracts from actual problems with a piece of media, and it gives people on the defending side the excuse that "Oh, don't listen to their criticism, they're just bigoted fanboys." People will call anything under the sun "woke" and other people will call it a "triumph." It makes everyone look bad, and nobody wins.
Media should be political but it also should be complex. If your product is supposed to convince me that one side of political spectrum is somehow better or more moral than the other (it isn't, not in real life - maybe on paper) than you're doing it wrong. Preaching at is only good for simple folk.
The thing I don't like , is when media tries to tell me who is right and who is wrong and ties it to some current issue.
People who say, "Don't make it political" are trying to communicate that. It could also be that the people who are complaining disagree with the politics on a deeper level.
Sometimes I agree with the villain in stories or think the villains have a valuable point .
But if its made in a way that you have a villain who parots stuff some people agree with then make them a shallow character and make the hero simplistically good .
Your not making regular media your making propaganda .
Even in the dark knight people might think there is no politics but Joker belives something about humanity . He belives that people are fundamentally evil . While Batman belives in justice and order.
But even with Joker, a person who is undoubtedly a bad person, you can understand his perspective and that he is trying to prove to the world his beliefs through a social experiment and like a person way to committed to his ideas , he can't let the experiment go the other way.
For fallout I found Moldaver's comment on communism kind of cringe. But aside from that I didn't find fallout overly political. The corporations are partners with a corrupt government their goal isn't money (unlike that bad scene with Vault tec) its power. People obtain power through violence and war... And war, War never changes .
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Great video! :)
Keep grinding, your content has a strong foundation. Keep it up!!!
200 subs in as many weeks? Nice man. Your work evidently speaks for itself
Such a great video, good work
Great video 👌
Yeah they kinda f***ed it up by shoehorning hamfisted nonsense about capitalism into the end of the season and also retconning major factions ahead of Season Two (like making Big MT, a government-owned-and-run thinktank, a corporation suddenly, which also happens to have created the tech which screwed over Sinclair, who for some reason is now CEO of a non-corporation and should know about the tech which screwed him over in the first place).
Fuck the tv series.
You said the scary S word!!! That’s a like, a follow and a share from me! lol
Is that a HD mod for Fallout: New Vegas at 1:07? Love it.
Actually no mods! I am gonna mod up new vegas soon tho. I only got a pc recently, so I've only modded skyrim and fallout 3 so far.
@@BludPandaII Oh nice! And good luck.
I've been playing the PS3 version (on a mac in an emulator because no native mac support ;( ) so I guess I've just gotten very used to 720p lmao
You kind of sound like the followers member in HELIOS one
best take I've heard in relation to the show
Against my better judgement I watched this video (because of the title). I’m very glad I did. Very good content and you have also earnt positive Karma (or at least a comment for the holy algorithm).
Ive dropped days inworld on various games and what it boils down to everyone is its Just a Game! If the power goes out for an extended period of time its only a MEMORY of a GAME and shit will be REAL TIME...🤔
How are you not 12K yet?
good vid brother
You’re the next 1m channel, bro. Keep up the content!
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I am someone who is vehemently anti woke but I don't say things like don't make X political. That being said I understand what they are trying to say it's like the midwit and the big brainer both being right with the midwit in the middle hating both. What people mean is anchor the plot and theme in unifying values and don't present politics as more important than the plot thus making the story propaganda and don't be so biased in those politics that you treat your side as inherently correct but make a caricature of the other side of the issue. What people want is political balance the fact that an Ancom story like V for Vendetta was embraced by so many yet not be called political is an example. One can enjoy the universal value of liberty regardless of the authors personal philosophy and the message doesn't come off as contrived or contradictory to the plot.
I think for me personally I chose to just forgo politics in media because most of the time discussions get either heated or both sides aren’t really well versed enough to talk on it. That’s just my thoughts tho :P
I'll never understand the politically obsessed.
A lot of people play games to escape reality. Not everyone needs/wants to be reminded how bad real life is. Sometimes people just want to run around the wasteland and kill monsters.
Of course, this mindset is looked down upon, and the "media literate" are the big brained smart people, and everyone else stupid.
If anyone told you they didn't want politics in Fallout, they were trolling you.
Just to remind you...this is FALLOUT you're talking about dude...life being horrible is the whole point of the wasteland. I literally addressed series that aren't meant to be thematic, and Fallout is not one of them. Nonetheless you can still play Fallout 3 and New Vegas and have tons of fun without engaging much with the story, stop pretending any gate keeping is occurring here. Just asking for good writing, pretty simple.
stop gatekeeping my bad life simulations. f*ck my life. i love having a bad life. I love exploring my bad life in bad video games. but i love good video games that exclusively explore my bad f*cking life. i love games about bad life. and no call of dooty shooting. i love sitting on my couch. and laying upside down.
im in your walls.
This comment above was edited btw to be nicer. The video is not meant to look down on people, if people really do get upset then it means I must have said something of importance to them. Says more about them than me, it's not personal, it's for dramatic effect.
@@BludPandaII Where did I ever say Fallout needed to be changed? Oh, right, I didn't. I just don't feel the need to constantly be reminded how Racism/Communism/America bad.
When I'm in the wasteland, I'm there to help people, kill bad guys, and witness tragic stories. I'm not there to ponder the social/political landscape of a fictional world. And that's applicable to both old and new Fallout.
@@harrington9482 I think I legitimately became dumber trying to read that.
I love how the go to is always "Call Of Duty bad." I haven't played COD for 15 years, but go off I guess.
vault tec didnt nuke for manaegrs and capitalism and test vaults werent something that didnt matter and was random, it was about preparing for space, to go to other worlds and fallout wouldve done that if obsidion won the deal with metacritic, thats why they after failing, made outer worlds. the tv show, retconned the real fallout and enclave lore for political agenda, you're blind.
When did fallout turn into California in 2024?
Take your bait elsewhere because nobody cares.
@@goblin3810 Next season will really ramp up the agendas, then hopefully be cancelled by season 2 or 3.
Everyone loves to hate on California, yet never visit or speak to legit anyone who lives there 🤦♂
misspelled "necessary" in the first second
Here's your medal 🎖
@@BludPandaII Hey just lookin out for you kid. people may not watch with illiteracy shown in the first second. Apparently, you're not going to change it and dont care, so take care
minor spelling mistake, i win
@@crxw4"i win " ysme from emperor's new groove lmao
do you have anything of value to add or are you just being pedantic?
The message I got from this show is that COMMUNISM IS THE DEFINITION OF WINNING
Liberty Prime would have blasted this shit off the planet
One of the best YT videos I’ve seen on this show. And I’ve seen most of em 😭
👍
I agree with your point. I see a lot of people acting as if things have only recently became political or "woke" when there have always been political and personal stances taken within media. Its funny to see people like certain X-Men fans mock the new series and comics for being woke or liberal as if it isn't the most ironic thing considering the entire point of X-Men in the first place. And hell the entire backdrop of ironman is the war on terror in the movies. We live in a polarized and very flawed world so it only makes sense that the media we consume is going to reflect that. That's not to say we shouldn't have things like Mario that give a proper escape from that as those are both extremely entertaining and needed in todays world but its important to highlight the significance of the views and stances of the media we consume as no matter what place they are set in they all make a statement revolving around our current world.
this comment section is dense, this is a great video
@5:05 Blade runner is an adaptation of a Dick's novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and it was not not about fascism.
it was about understanding how man's creations view us per the Author 1972. So yeah we are asking for adaptions to not be politicized when they are already exploring a theme. Director and writers tend to do nothing else when taking someone's literary work just ask Neil Gaiman.
Obviously blade runner is a philosophical story primarily about androids and I'm sure the original book was more focused on those sci-fi elements, but EVEN IF the androids [a slave class in a capitalist society who are hunted when they escape] is not a euphemism for fascist society or caste systems, the theme you've presented sounds like a very deep one that could easily relate to real life. That book and film came out in an era when technology was advancing at an insane rate and they didn't know were it would go. Your idea of "political" means is really shallow...like what I am trying to argue in this video is that people should think more about the themes they are consuming and question how they relate to the real world. Blade Runner has a lot to say, it's not just for entertainment, the author wanted us to think about it I hope. Fallout has a lot to say too, and a lot of it is philosophical and clearly political as factions take on different ideologies inspired from real life. When I say something is political I don't mean it relates to the current politics of America, I just mean it relates to societal issues and conditions as a whole. which Blade Runner definitely does, or at least many interpret it that way. The fact that you know who wrote the original blade runner and what the author meant by it is exactly what I want, I want people to care about writing and themes, not just about fun and mere escapism all the time.
@@BludPandaII saying all media is political is a shallow argument.
"The man in the high castle" was Dick's definitive work on fascism, because of his mental issues, PKD focused on a single subject and took it to a conclusion.
To guys like the author of this video fascism is like a mythological anathema that they have structured their hollow lives around opposing. You might as well tell a Christian that not everything bad is Satan.
I hear so much praise for New Vegas, especially about it's reactivity in the world from the player actions. Don't understand it myself as almost all of the choices get played out in a cut scene at the end. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, but way over sold imo.
This is actually a good take that has honest criticism that aint just hating for some dumb shit
I liked how fallout new Vegas gave us the option to join the brotherhood and Cesar legion but I think more can be done.
I do think having traditional values are important but besides being evil you don’t get to see those who are critical of progressive values depicted in media in a good light.
Like the Bos have a legitimate concern with technology and mutants
But even in a “non political game” those that are a stand in as conservatives are depicted as evil. As conservative player you have to participate in charcuterie of your beliefs often
More like the problem is with the effort
Instead of actually diving into such politics in deep manner, its usually just a hastily thrown together idea to sell it as a deep thing
Thats the problem, Don't Make _____ Political is not what they actually mean, simply either you work out a very detailed and critical idea, or you work by a checklist...
And the problem is that lately media is very low effort when it comes to that.
It wants to touch a wider audience so that means dumbifying things and not giving enough time to develop, and trying to be deep and thoughtful at the same time?
Yeah thats the disaster, thats the bad taste that you get after watching something like that.
Its evil ideas vs good ideas, it doesnt want to touch or even mention an idea that can be understood as reasonable from both sides, yet they cannot agree.
Why? Too much effort, and wider audience gets thrown off.
When it comes to content, either make art, or do public service.
Most profit orianteed companies go for the latter.
fallout is not political. What makes fallout a political game is the bias of political players whom can find politics even in Tetris. Killing Mr. House gives you Bad Karma
Ah yes, the game that is specifically about the aftermath of global geo-politics and capitalism is not political 🤡
@@majimasmajimemes1156 you are just an appealed political customer. Bet McDonalds got you in its pocket too
@@elwholerdawg, vault-tec is a corporation that does evil things for profit... that’s a bit political, isn’t it?
In fallout, you’re literally choosing between factions, and sure that might apply to modern politics, but even stuff like “NCR vs. Legion” has inherent political weight as the NCR is a democratic republic and the legion is a fascist Rome-wannabe.
I get that not everything in fallout is political, but you can’t look at the series and say there’s nothing inherently political in it.
@@Clarkamadorian sure. but the thing here is that most, if not every political biased player and content creators tend to ignore completely what the narrator claims. In order to coneive Fallout as a political franchise, you need to ingore the narrator. They just pick the "war... war never changes" thing and that's it haha. Bethesda is pleased by political players anyways, just like McDonalds.
@@elwholer aight I guess sure
great video! (didnt watch)
dont be sooky and asking me for money in the first 30 seconds of a video. people give money if they feel like it, not because you force them. make good content, make more money.
Bruh shut up. He's not asking for money, he's asking for a costless sub so that he can be compensated for the work he's put into your free entertainment.