Ok first I wanna say sorry for the late post. I meant to give my thoughts days ago but stuff got in the way. You know how it is. With that said, THIS WAS AN ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL VIDEO. You are by far the first person on the internet to accurately, articulately, and clearly scale One Piece. Most people on the internet are either dismissing the context of One Piece's feats or misrepresenting it or both. And this is usually done by Naruto fans or other people who don't even read it. Seriously this video was really impressive. Whats more incredible was the fact is that you were outright downplaying and using the bare minimum and you still proved that they scale to planetary. Absolutely fantastic. Though, I'd like to add onto a point of yours just in case it comes up. - One thing I'd like to address is the Chinjao Controversy. This is a heavily debated feat, or at least it was in the past. A common argument people would give is that it didn't "look" like a continent and therefore the feat is only street level. They claim Chinjao's feat isn't impressive because he only made a small crack in the ice sheet and didn't split the whole continent(Ignoring the fact that "Crystal Ice Sheet" is just the NAME of the Continent). The problem with that is that it ignores the whole context of the story. If it were only street level then we've already seen characters in the One Piece verse do worse. So why the hell would this feat be so legendary in-universe if it were only meant to be street level or even island level? Downplaying it to that level doesn't even make sense because Chinjao in his old age, with a much weaker Drill Dragon attack destroyed part of Pica with a shockwave(Chapter 748). A feat well above island level considering he did it with a shockwave, which are millions of times weaker than a direct hit. But it's also made clear that Chinjao in his old age is drastically weaker than he used to be. If the downplayers would be believed then they'd essentially be saying that Chinjao in his old age is stronger than Chinjao in his prime. Which we know wouldn't make any sense as it directly contradicts the story. Chinjao was a continent splitter as indicated by the context of the narrative. Thats all there is to it. - The whole argument people give about "we haven't seen him destroy a planet" is my absolute most hated argument. It's so retarded. Not just for the obvious fact that no sane person would destroy the planet they're fighting on but because these people KNOW full well that a character doesn't have to destroy a planet to be planet level. NOBODY questions why Goku hasn't destroyed a planet. Nobody would dare claim that he can't either. Yet he's never done so in the entirety of Dragonball. Yet somehow the argument never comes up. Gee, I wonder why.....Could it be that a character doesnt need to blow up a planet to be planet level!? *Gasp!* -___- Gods I hate this fucking argument. It's beyond dumb. To add on to this point, people also claim the Admirals aren't island level because they didn't destroy the island they were fighting on. Which is stupid for a lot of the same reasons. Ignoring the fact that 2 Devil Fruit users whose weakness is the Ocean would never destroy the only thing keeping them out of the water, but recent Haki revelations in Wano have made it clear why destruction doesn't matter much in One Piece. In Chapter 939 pg 14, Hyogoro clear slates that Haki allows a swordsman to slice through steel but when they DO NOT want to cut something they won't even be able to break a simple piece of paper. Meaning that Haki users, through their own will, can CONTROL what they want to destroy. If they're using Haki and they don't want to destroy something it simply won't be destroyed. Period. So it makes perfect sense why the surrounding islands in One Piece often don't get destroyed because they concentrating their attacks on THEIR OPPONENT. Not the island. Which really just makes them tougher knowing that they're taking those attacks directly on their bodies. *sigh* Ok I think thats all I wanted to say. I'm glad this video exists. This is the only video around that gives people a clear idea of One Piece's strength while taking into account the FULL context. Which is something no one has ever done before. So thank you.
“ You are by far the first person on the internet to accurately, articulately, and clearly scale One Piece.” If you wanna see other One Piece scaling content, Tylearned covers One Piece in a couple of his videos, and Idea Shock has some pretty in depth calculation videos for One Piece feats, though some of his older videos are outdated.
Exactly mate, the one reason I believe this heavy misconception exist is due to the first impression or appeal one piece and its premise gives. I was a biggest naruto fanboy 2 years ago, whenever I saw one piece being in discussion or being powerscaled with the little knowledge I had, one piece seemed silly. Like seriously, on one hand we had ninjas with chakra ability to create matter(which was was chakra disguised) on other we had pirates... and mc is rubber. This creates many people to downplay one piece horrendously then they without knowledge comment and powerscale on it which gets seen by non op watchers leading to this entire mess. One horrendous take that got 2k likes was "Oh I always know who to support when you put ninja vs a mere pirate lol"... even better one guy had posted a pic of random anbu vs Zoro (his entire point being "oh naruto scales much higher so I thought this was fair...) like I am not even go over how stupid this was yet I have to say at those times I fell for them. However the moment I watched one piece and saw straight up FTE feats within first 50 episodes..!! Syrup village kuro. Man I was convinced I have been lied to lol. Then logia's came a literal embodiment of elements and one guy is freaking fundamental force of nature!??!? Like what in the holy jesus. Wish many just watched both sources before judging man...
I love how Steinixos differentiates attack potency with destructive capabilities. I especially love how Steinixos downplays One Piece power so much in this video alone as a sign of good faith that he isn't trying to be biased towards One Piece. The amount of concessions he had to make is insane. I also love how Oda shows that attacks can be continental or multi-continental in raw potency without having to explicitly show that attack destroy continents. If anything I prefer how One Piece displays power since almost all attacks are concentrated and focused. There's a sort of artistry and elegance to being able to annihilate someone without having to nuke an island or continent in the process.
Brilliant video. Gonna add onto the discussion about Whitebeard. People often underrate Whitebeard and lowball him to island level by saying he "only split an island" and then they act like thats the pinnacle of feats we'll ever see in the One Piece verse because it was "the best WB could do". The thing people keep missing is that, whats significant about this feat IS NOT "what" he split or "how" big the split was. It's how the feat was preformed. The epicenter of the Quake was Akainu. He split the island indirectly. Thats whats key here. The island breaking in half was just a side-effect of him hitting Akainu. It's just the shockwave, which naturally is going to be millions of times weaker than the actual source of the blow. Not to mention it was a controlled attack. He purposefully minimized the damage so that it would only split the island. His aim was to separate his crew from the Marines so they could get away. All that while he was weakened and on the brink of death from losing half his literal skull. It was nowhere near the limit of what he's capable of. I'm getting SO tired of people completely leaving out the context when it comes to One Piece feats.
Old whitebeard has a far stronger feat than indirectly splitting an island. He managed to tilt not only a large island such as marineford but also tilted the sea around it as an indirect result of his attack. This was while on life support, had multiple gun shots a sword wound and a hole in his body and was severely aged and way WAY out of his prime.
@@scarfacemartinez Whitebeard really deserves the title strongest man, no strongest father in the world. i mean the fact he's on life support, and in the war, he took 267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds, cannon shots are 46, 2 of akainu's magma fist 1 being boiled from the inside, half his face blown off with his beard (exclusive to who read the manga), freeze by aokiji and all of that, not a single scratch on his back not a single scar from running away. people seriously downplay him
Not millions of times weaker. That punch was likely multi island level but the shockwave was likely of similar strength to the punch. Whitebeard tilting marineford and the ocean is a bigger feat than the island feat.
Basically like SS and DB and almost all big franchises they focus their energy there isn't too much Aoe but the lore /context indicates us how strong they really are
Loved this video, your literally teaching these people That didn't even know what they were actually talking about, pure facts presented in the literal show itself while lowering down some of characters feats at the same time, I really appreciate how much time you put in these videos 👏
How I like to explain what you mentioned in the beginning is that feathers weighing 1 kilogram may seem bigger than a piece of metal weighing 1 kilogram but they have the same weight after all but the metal is just denser, similar to big AOE attacks and concentrated attack, AOE attacks are bigger but aren’t stronger than concentrated attacks since concentrated attacks have denser power.
One correction: Zorro did not beat Mr. 1 because got stronger; he beat him with a new technique he had been contemplating for a while, that is, how to cut through steel. He was already strong enough to cut steel but didn't understand the technique.
@@BeauOS zoro awakened his haki during that fight if u knew what his sword master was referencing when telling zoro about the pinnacle of swordmanship he was talking about haki, even hyogoro says the same line when explaining haki to luffy in udon prison "there is an invisible power that stems from the body and can be infused with the blade. A good katana will cut through steel when u want it to and will not cut through a sheet a paper if u do not wish it, it is all according to the desire of the swordman" Zoro when he senses his surroundings with haki "I can feel something alive in them, more than just a presence more distinct like breathing" "I can feel the breathing of his steel, the trees, the earth around me" Zoro right before he prepares his attack: "my sword understands my will"
He got stronger then? What's this semantic argument you're making? If you can't cut something even though you know how to do so, then you're weaker than your potential, once you live up to your potential, then you've gotten stronger. That's how it works.
This video definitely changed my opinion of one piece because I was downplaying them to Continental to multi-continental at best. Now depending on how big the one piece planet is compare to our planet can say if they small planet lvl or not.
I’m just curious on how you feel about 2 things I’ve heard a lot recently 1. That characters don’t scale to their devilfruits so like you can’t scale other characters off of whitebeard. And 2. The entire Blackbeard star level Meta where his black holes don’t let light escape pretty much granting themselves the mass of a star.
I’m mesmerized by your accent. Where does it come from? It’s unlike anything I’ve ever heard and the rhythm in which you speak is literally like music. I could listen to you talk for hours.
@@tunnelvision7906 I’ve heard plenty of Jamaican and while his accent does sound very close to what I’m familiar with, it seems different enough to have sparked the question. Are you sure it’s Jamaican or, like me, just feel it sounds a lot like it so it’s a safe assumption?
It makes no sense that people think a direct statement in the manga is exaggerated, no offense to Naruto but Naruto fans be taking them light novel stats like Temari can blow away the universe, and the nine-tails can turn the world to ash to heart, and that’s not even official
I saw Sengoku stating that whitebeard can destroy the world as him destroying the earth's crust, and all life that lives on top of it. i think his saying the world rather than planet makes the connotation a little vague, and reasonable for people to confuse his statement as exaggerative. though either way world can mean the planet itself, but usually when people us that word I believe they mean that it destroys all life or humanity,, but it is the same effect. I am curious wether it is a translation error.
ye but old whitebeard was not planet even though he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
Really great content for an over view, I look forward to further in depth scaling! The only thing I might contest is your interpretation for CP9’s power levels and the multiplier you put to Lucci’s hybrid form. Best I could calculate from his ability to blitz Blueno, Luffy’s gear 2 would have a little over 4x the speed he has in base, and given Lucci being roughly comparable to Luffy I think this would apply to his Zoan form as well. As for the planetary scaling, there’s actually a neat bit in Alabasta that can give a reasonable estimate for the planets size. Vivi says that the Sandora River is about 50km wide; not only does this make Alabasta itself comparable to real world continents from pixel scaling the island in an overhead shot, but on several occasions the characters and the reader can see the other side of the river, meaning the horizon distance at sea level is about 50 km as well. Having already done the math with the horizon distance and Vivi’s height, the One Piece planet would have a radius of 739,644.97 km, a volume of 1,690,000,000,000,000,000 km^3, and assuming a gravitational acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 like Earth it would have a mass of 8.0348468065428E+28 kg. The only hole I could see with this is the fact that atmospheric refraction is a thing, that in spite of out horizon only being about 5km it’s possible to see objects past the horizon from light being refracted through the air. Even then this is only possible through precise weather conditions that I don’t know if Alabasta’s climate is comparable to, and even in instances of atmospheric refraction on earth you can only really see the top of distant objects, whereas with the Sandora you’re not only seeing the hill tops on the other side of the river but also the river bank itself. If this scaling does hold up, and assuming that Whitebeard could cause anything from a magnitude 4 to a magnitude 9.5 aftershock on the other side of the planet, then his power would range anywhere from 147 petatons to 26 yottatons of tnt, at least going by vs battle wiki’s formula for quakes.
this makes a lot of sense seing how the most pwerful weapons in one piece ``only´´ destroying islands and pluton being seen as a threat on the same level or higher than whitebeard who can ravage and possibly destroy earth.
Also the wano island is stated 1000 ri either in radius or diameter or the area of wano This would mean the wano island is at least the size of india or the Entire US OR THE ENTIRE EURASIA (Europe and asia combined) 1000 ri is around 4000 km btw in Japan measurements
Whitebeard could literally cause a mass extinction if he wanted to. Sense most of the land masses in One Piece are islands all he needs to is. 1 Create a mega tsunami big enough to go around the world or. 2 Quake slap a super volcano until it erupts causing a nuclear winter just like the meteor did to the dinosaurs.
Great scaling. Even though I won't agree to planetary yet still Great points yet. I would say my problem with scaling is I feel there are two different ways to look at it. Actual stacking like you used and in story/narrative scaling. I feel the latter is what I mainly look at but I feel the former is needed especially for vs battles. Also as we know one piece is more plot based and Oda has even shown a good amount of times on how he would utilize plot for things to happen even if it doesn't make sense power scaling wise. Good vid nonetheless
Yeah saying that planet surface feats are definitively planetary is wrong, the planet surface is nothing to the actual entire planet even if you think the One Piece world is bigger than ours. Obviously when taking about "no where on the planet to run from Whitebeard" or "Having the power to destroy the world" I doubt they wouldn't just be talking about the planet surface where people actually live instead of the mantle down the core of the planet. Yelling and making an island and the ocean around it shake is impressive but the difference between the planet surface and the entire planet makes that irrelevant if you wanna say he's planetary.
Just to help with the Sengoku comment about Whitebeard being able to destroy the world. Why would Sengoku intentionally exaggerate Whitebeard's power and potentially scare his men if Whitebeard was not that strong? It wouldn't help the Marine fodder do any better against Whitebeard. If anything, stating Whitebeard's true power helps Sengoku make sure his men are resolved enough, even to die, to fight Whitebeard.
Imo it either refers to prime whitebeard or whitebeards full extent of his fruit and not whitebeard it’s never stated it’s whitebeard but a power instead
Lol, I watched all of Naruto YEARS before I even gave One Piece a chance. It made me laugh that within the first one minute and forty seconds, I'm already giving a side eye to some of these Naruto fans I've seen on forums talking about the data books. I look at the source material to tell me what a person can do, because actions speak louder than words. It's the same reason most One Piece fans always talk about feats and just look at data books quotes on strength as just something interesting to read. Obviously, there are some that will still try to use those data books, but we laugh at them too. Those are for hype and advertising.
I would love to see someone who had gotten the eternal youth surgery take tons of the fishmen's strength steroids. On paper they could become unstoppable.
You've clearly never seen multipliers from DB, Bleach or Naruto. Goku grew millions of times stronger after a couple of fights with Jiren. Tell you what, armament haki is in fact a 150x multiplier in base. This is quantified using the basic haki feats of the Kuja girl that shot arrows at Luffy. A normal arrow, shot at full speed would shatter on impact with rocks, her haki arrows blew rocks to bits making it at least 150x stronger than a normal arrow made out of wood. Why do you think Vergo could clash swords with a bamboo stick for example, Or how Sanji can block bullets with his legs when saving Toko in Wano? His skin itself was enhanced to be able to literally deflect bullets, imagine the calc for that (how thick of a skin you need to make bullets useless). So if, a character can punch a mountain away with a single punch without using haki, then the same feat with haki would have a 150x more attack potency. That's how crazy One Piece multipliers work, we just usually don't go out of our way to consider the multiplier for haki because most people don't even remember how basic haki was introduced in the series. So the pills thing isn't even that crazy, which was why Luffy could defeat him without gear 4th, his haki multiplier was even higher than Hoardy's pills. Remember how Doflamingo who could casually split a meteor in half couldn't pierce gear 4th Luffy because his elasticity had increased to a point where Doffy's strings didn't have the pressure required to pierce him. All he did was use full body haki on top of his expanded rubber muscles making it more dense, yet more malleable and flexible. Even if you say gear 4th is a 20x multiplier, then 150x of that would be a 3000x multiplier and his stronger attacks in that form is even MORE amplified. So haki is a crazy multiplier, the pills don't even come close.
"Noooo stop! One Piece characters aren't allowed to be strong, one piece has to be the weakest of the big threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" - Some anime fan, probably.
I mean I don’t think that’s wrong Bleach def not wrong One piece have a lot of strong characters while as naruto have a few REALLY STRONG characters, shibai for example
Don’t all physical attacks have some shockwave to them? You can’t hit something without the shockwave of the force being carried into said object no matter what. Even projectiles and moving causes shockwaves. So technically ever attack actually does damage luffy but the part that hits him is somewhat lessened.
There's this anoying thing thats been around for years. Where people asume Luffy's Devil Fruit will make him immune to the Gura Gura no mi. And I was like IMPACT DIALS CAN TURT LUFFY.
No hate to the creator of the video but I wanted to share my own opinion to the topic at hand. ( 24:30 ) White beard being stated to having the power to destroy the world is one of his many titles, you cant scale someone based on titles. ( 25:10 ) having no where to retreat can very well just be the amount of power he has inside of the one piece world (for example you going in jungle with a Tiger who wants to hunt you down, it would be very hard to get away from it. ( 25:26 ) saying Wb is able to shake random islands with no quantifiable distance makes him able to destroy the entire world is outrages. ( 25:40 ) saying a continental feat from Black beard scales Wb planetary is wild (continental is being pretty generous seeing as it was mostly water. I'm sure some calcs get it continental). ( 26:00 ) telling feats under planetary doesn't matter when the only thing that does matter is scaling him planetary. ( 22:50 ) from what I see that statement was true seeing as you are using fake translations to scale your characters and using feats under planetary to cope with the fact No character in the One Piece manga is planetary at this very moment. If you were to ask me where I scale One Piece I would tell you multi Continental to moon level.
just so you know the buggy feat is not city block is actually Small Building level. you can scale the height of the houses in 2:48 picture using the canon and the explosion at the end of the last house is roughly 20+m giving it a Small Building level AP/DC which feats to the feats luffy does prior and post this with him punching arlong through the building and sanji kicking a sea king are all similar feats. what you did with the fishmen is call calculation stacking, and its super wrong to do this. Chinjao splitting the ice continent via the size of the split and using Antartica is only a Mountain level feat, idk where you got Multi Continental from but please learn how to calculate. people really dont understand how strong City Block or Town level feats really are, they get used to using it so much that they think its nothing, reminds me of guys on comicvine thinking that Town level feats are island level -> franky nuke chapter a Small Town level explosion is passed as a Mountain+ level feat is so damn stupid. ACe feat on the Island with Blackbeard got wanked to Island level when in fact is a Town level feat
@@cortiz8726 even if chinjao destroyed it all it’s not an actual continent feat it’s called an ice SHEET it’s only a layer of ice not an actual continent do what he did was just split a surface of something for example if you crack the earths crust all around it’s not planetary
If a character can destroy one planet the size of Earth and gets five times stronger, does that mean they can destroy a planet five times the size of Earth? Is that how the calculations work?
Luffy Gear 5 maximum tecnique=Big Volcaninc Eruption stated by manga and that completly freaked out all the presents except Luffy and the 2 Yonkous receiving it. So yeah, Luffy Gear 5 as a Small country level sound perfect and is what manga states. Also the pills were acumulative, not multiplicative. And the one that oneshouted Cody was a Gear second and Gear 3 elefant Gun. Not a only Gear 3 elephant Gun. Also Gekko Moria didn't completly cut the Island but less than half of it. Also Kuma didn't take out damage, only pain and feelings of suffering, damage is still there
Luffy made the volcanic explosion and cracked wano with just Kaido aceleration, that's like you puched a worm and it broke a wall, if luffy ever landed the attack on the ground it would have destroyed Wano and made a gigantic tsunami in the new world, but still that's just destructive capability, attack potency can be higher even if the attack isn't that destructive
@@Elchinodawn The problem is that destroying Wano that can't reach the first Sea Sky at 7 km from Sea Level even while flying s and Island level attack and is showed even by Zoro and Law that damaged/fighted a Yonkou creating a Volcanic Eruption is insane and unbeliable and Kaido literally loosed to the fullforce attack and went to lava with Big Mom when Luffy was putting the same strenght. Again, the power level and most of the calculations are indeed incorrect including the steroids Calc that is at best a 400 times amp and his attack pre second eating was small City level at best while not account retcons or exagerations from characters perspective. At best Luffy Gear 5 is Large Island to small country level
So whitebeard could destroy the world as sengoku said, so does he mean prime whitebeard or the old whitebeard that appeared in the marineford? Bcs we've seen him using it in rage when ace died and he punched akainu so hard it made the entire HQ destroyed but still, you telling me akainu has that kinda durability/endurance of an entire world? since whitebeard can destroy the world how come he couldn't kill a single human? not exactly human i mean akainu was strong and probably was in his prime and whitebeard is old but as much as i saw that statement was a bit taken srsly, i don't think he can destroy the world in anymean i get it ppl fear him since he went toe to toe with roger but still there was no feat in the entire one piece universe that makes them at least multi continent, the guy with the pointy head destroyed an ice continent i mean anyone with strong armament haki or conq haki could do that it's ice in the end if it was land i doubt he'd barely do that, as far as shown in one piece non of the characters are multi continent like you said, and luffy punching doflamingo destroyed most of dressrosa and we all know if luffy intentionally punched it he could've drown the whole island but that was a small island feat? how is that multi continent tf? and ofc luffy with his gear 5 has largely gotten much power and hax he even could make his punch probably 5/10times the one he used to make enough to cover onigashima that would make him small country level? i mean i'm pretty sure with the appearance of imu and joyboy things will get to contiental but moon level and multi continental? PLANETARY? XDD ayo that's a big statement to make
ye but old whitebeard was not planet evelnthough he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period. Also watch his video where he scales luffy. I would say gear 5 luffy is moon level from that video it at least proves that because i think it does overscale a little and moon level makes sense. Whitebeard was the strongest yonko planet level - I believe all other yonko who are less powerful than him as moon level.
@@euwee8701 old whitebears isn’t multi continental? There was no feat of him being multi continental he used his quack quack no mi in marine ford and the damaged area wasn’t as big as even 1 continent let alone multi continents or moon, and him clashing with roger and let’s assume they nearly destroyed the island isn’t even a continental feat matter of fact i haven’t even seen one continental feat from one piece entirely and yeah the statement was an exaggeration id say from what i saw that he was probably large country and you telling me g5 luffy is moon level wtf? I don’t want to say oh he didn’t destroy a continent that means he can’t but honestly i wish you could explain more how he could destroy an entire continent (luffyg5) maybe whitebeard in his prime could reach continental level but luffy?
@@hamzakh7416 This is a copy and paste comment so if things dont make sense of what I'm saying its because was replying to someone else. Also for whitebeard being multi continental, one piece wiki has him there and you can find scans that prove it so that's just not right. We have a statement that cant be proven to be not true. Yes statements are not always true and I'll give an example. ' the 9 tails has the power to turn the world to ashe'. This statement is a debunkable statement as the Japanese kanji used is for ' society' so meaning just civilisation itself not the planet. Now does this apply to whitebeard statement? No the kanji used is for planet. Furthermore again sengoku would not exaggerate his power to his men as this would do nothing and work against him as it would do the opposite of encouraging his men. Also source of the statement sengoku is from whitebeards era and knows whitebeards power from his prime very well. Old whitebeard was multi continental there are plenty scans that prove it and one piece wiki has him there. He also held back at marineford not to kill his crew. So whitebeard has to be stronger in his prime given the fact he was diseased at the age of 70 and cant use haki and was multi continental. As I said conquerors could be used to buff attacks and haki is even superior to devil fruits with conquerors being the strongest type and we saw him rival roger in just conquerors haki and they almost destroyed the island and they were not going all out as they were freinds and hist having fun and whitebeard never even used his devil fruit. If hes multi continental in age and disease what is he without this? Still the same I dont think so lol. You have to remember even prime whitebeard would be stronger than old whitebeard with devil fruit alone let alone haki. Even don chinjao was able to split at continent and he is coming nowhere near the top powers in one piece. Also the 'debunks' people use for that are not debunks. You can clearly see in the manga image he split it and tools has no effect breaking it or even scratching it so the idea that it being ice makes it weaker is not correct at all. The only way to break it was to apply so much force you can break it all once. That's continental attack potency right there. And yes akainu can wipe out a continent in a fist. His devil fruit is actually stated to have the highest offensive power in one piece. You got to remember that a gear 4 luffy back in dressrossa so no advanced conquerors that he has now, ryuo or gear 5 was able to punch doflamingo so hard into the ground he destroyed most of the island and split it straight open. His fist never even hit the ground as well. This is not even island level this is low country level as dressrossa is small country sized. And this luffy was nowhere close to admiral level, let alone the strongest one. Akainu is continental level at the very least, u would say higher though but that's my opinion and besides the point of this comment so you can ignore this but im just giving an idea. Also I'm merely applying logic to a statement we have. This is all logical and good evidence. A character does not always have to break a planet to be planetary. With all this whitebeard can be scaled to be planet level, you can say no feats to prove it and that's fine but I think we both know the likely hood based on what I said is very likely and your not changing my mind simply because of not enough evidence when I've already said all my reasons. A prime whitebeard is planet level and could be higher that is my opinion.
To answer your question, Sengoku was referring to a whitebeard before he was sick. As in, just a regular old man with no health problems like garp, rayleigh and himself, could destroy the world. But to address your "we haven't seen it tho" arguement it is severely flawed. What you don't seem to understand about one piece characters is that they are like dragon ball characters. Not in the sense that they are as strong as them, but they can control their power. In dragon ball, characters have been planetary since the saiyan saga but not every fight we see destroys the planet. Why is that? It's simple they control their energy so that it doesn't make the planet explode. In one piece whitebeard's quakes are the exact same. They won't break the planet because whitebeard ISN'T TRYING TO BREAK THE PLANET. The reason he is multicontinental is because he is easily above a mid tier like Sai. Sai like his father don chinjao, csn break a continent, and no it's not "just ice". This ice has been stated to be far above normal ice, No pirate could break through it with, life tools or anything, it's far stronger than any ice normally made and is just as as other land masses which is what makes breaking it a feat. So we know Chigao's head is a continental level in attack potency and then because we know Sai is much stronger than him and Whitebeard is FAR and away stronger than him despite being a sick old man, makes him at LEAST multi-continental not factoring in advanced anything haki related. Doflamingo, with his strings is even stronger than this don chingao, and katakuri and people like him are leagues stronger than doflamingo. Making them multi-continental since the both of them are mid-tiers in comparison. and whitebeard with JUST his devil fruit is stronger than ALL these guys, whitebeard with advanced haki, completely shatters the multi-continental scale we even see that this nerfed whitebeard is STILL causing quakes on other sides of the planet, proving how destructive he is. It's thanks to this scaling that whitebeard is planetary. Kaido, Luffy, and many others scale to that hypothetical old man whitebeard that isn't sick and to be considered in the same league, makes them planet level as well.
Meh Hodys pills dont have to add strength exponentially. More pills dont have to always quadruple. The first few pills may quadruple his power, but then get less and less efficient pill by pill. Hody boing even close to continent level is silly and against any writing logic. This obviously puts the other following conclusions slightly down
He literally low balled the entire video even up to that point. He started by lowballing base Hody by saying he was equal to Rob Lucci from Enis Lobby when that is not the case and then even low balled the amount of pills he took. Beyond all of that it was stated in story that they doubled strength and he even included that they could have not been as potent. Your just claiming that the pills dont have to. You provided no proof that they don't so what was the point in your comment yeah if your right and the pills don't do what its said they do then your right it brings the following conclusions slightly down except the fact that evidence other than Hody's strength was used to show Luffy being multi continental with a lowball. Your argument is essentially well in dragonball even though its stated that Super Sayan 2 is exponentially stronger than normal Super Sayan it doesn't have to be making Goku slightly less strong.
Except you have absolutely no contextual evidence stating that the pills drop off at a certain amount, while its the opposite for his argument. Quit downplaying contextual evidence just to make your theory seem better
@@scottiecurrie7927 Hody does literally nothing after the 30 pills to indicate he is 1 million times stronger than he was previously. The pills actually don't need diminishing returns though, the could simply be additive at a certain point. So say, the first does indeed multiply your power, but each subsequent pill adds to that multiplier, so instead of going from 4 times stronger to 16 times stronger, you just add on another 4, so it becomes 8, then the next pill would Mae it 12, and so on.
@@scottiecurrie7927 except for the actual events of the story? Hordy had 0 feats to even suggest he's anywhere close to reaching the exponential growth you theorize the pills give.
one piece caps at continental planet level isnt a question if u would do ur research u would have found a vivre card that states whitebeard destroying the world is only his title not a scale of his power search- whitebeard vivre card and u will find it urself
Funny how you talk so condescendingly and tell people to do their research when you clearly have never done so yourself. Whitebeard is far beyond even planetary given the size of the One Piece world. He's easily Star to Large Star level, and there are some beings that could potentially be even stronger than him, such as Rocks and Im. Maybe you should take your own advice and do some research before you get such an inflated ego
If I correctly remember Luffy Gear 5 final tecnique is as strong as a Volcaninc Eruption so I should talk about that, also the Buggy bomb didn't hit Zoro and didn't hit Buggy(Stated he evade it). Also nope, it isn't confirmed at any point One Piece World is bigger than ours and it only has a continent. The Moons from One piece World are confirmed as artificial Moon on Enel mini story arc on One piece manga covers Also the Mr 1 feat is stated Zoro only learned how to cut Steel(Resistance of Mr One cause of his devil fruit), he didn't increased his power but improved his cutting ability. And Shirojige can destroy the surface of the planet with Sufficent time. Also Don Chinjao prime was way stronger than Gear 4 Luffy, he loosed power with time stated by manga and also as we see Chinjao just shatter a part of the continent and a Normal Haki Garp that trained with 8 mountains not destroying them in one hit could overcome Don Chinjao
This some bullshit right here, where did it say volcanic eruption? Oh in some sketch ass Google translate shit? And let me remind you kaido was literally just a tiny bit below the likes of garp and Roger, who are atleast dozens of times stronger than the effortlessly continent splitting chinjao who could've easily shattered the whole thing. And hes stronger than kaido, and the baguar gun was an overkill move. And another thing to mention is that the force of an eruption absolutely WOULD NOT send a massive dragon as resistant as kaido through the Earth's crust. Theres another thing! He didn't punch the crust, merely the thing that was launched by his punch penetrated the crust. You're mentioning shit that goes against your case, and Zoro got stronger as well, we see characters get stronger with every battle so it was partially power and technique. Also it doesn't FUCKING MATTER if it didn't hit them, a blast that powerful flying by someone in the open air 10 feet away would rip them to shreds, much less being in a building which contained so much more of that energy and focused it on him. And considering statements about island sizes, quantities, and the sizes of certain oceans it's definitely bigger than earth
Bro are you dumb? The volcano eruption was just one of the many effects of luffys attack, and keep in mind luffy did punch the ground but he punched kaidos strongest form, meaning he had to bypass his durability
@@Habesh778 Advance Emperors Haki ignores durability of Kaido+Gear 5 effects make even greater the durability ignorated. Snd that didn't change the fact that anyone that wasn't Kaido and Big Mom literally were freaked out by Luffy generating a Volcanic Eruption that was the result of Luffys Gear 5 biggest and strongest attack to end Kaido after the long fight they had. The problem is that some feats on this video are badly consider Higher from what they really are(On Luffy and the cutting level mostly with some Ussop misconceptions about Buggy canon bullets power or later fights that has way less destructive level but still are more difficult for Luffy, including also mistraductions from One Piece Japanese manga.). Hody Jones steroids didn't acumulate the multiplicative effects, they are added, that's how steroids works. A really big effect with minimal dosis but minusculous increments to that initial one with greater dosis plus the more constantly they are used the lower effecs they have. Still Luffy Gear 5 is Small to mid country.
@@antoinepolnareff8970 ye but old whitebeard was not planet evelnthough he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
Whitebeard is so debunkable lmao. He doesn’t scale to his fruit and it’s just Hax/ability not AP. Prove Whitebeard can destroy the world with his own energy, not the fruits. And him having the power to destroy the world is merely a title, plus he only destroys it with earthquakes which only shift tectonic plates. The bias is actually crazy.
The thing is that in destructuve capability white beard creates quakes and depending on the size of the quake it can destroy the world and the fact that it was stated by sengoku who practically saw Roger and white beard grow up and fought them in their prime so if it is stated by sengoku it must be true ..
@@emmanueladekunle3088 Nope ☠️ It is hyperbolic statement there is no feat other than island shaking feat from his old age and that can't back it up a planet bursting feat in a single attack lol... Also sengoku never even see a planet bursting feat in the first place.. Also even in OP databook/vivrecard stated that the statement was hyperbolic...
@@cjmatrix7366 statements based on characters with a specific power or character that have good knowledge of other characters concerning powers are mostly true it's like saying that kuna firing the pad cannons at light speed is an hyperbolic statement it's just dumb ..
@@emmanueladekunle3088 Bro just read the databook about Whitebeard you can just search it on internet about WB vivrecard/databook I'm literally copy pasting the statement from the vivre card you can just read to make sure if you don't believe me lol 😂 👇 "WB could destroy the world only meant for his title not for his power level" Just read the databook not backup feat nor any other kind proof statement that seems like hyperbolic are just statements just like madara.....
and his moria scale is wrong as in his luffy vs naruto vid he refuses to acknowledge the ten tails planet comparison which was clearly hinted at and madara absorbed it and the god tree with it but he still didnt take that as a planet level multiplier but takes random ass shadows as a 1000 multiplier like what bias as hell
its so sad that your favorite verse isn't as strong as you think it is and that not a single Naruto character can harm any logia user without finding there elemental counter
Going to have to disagree with you on something. There is no One Piece character that is simply "planetary". Not even Whitebeard. Yes. Whitebeard could theoretically "destroy the world". The power to generate earthquakes on a planet that's like 90% water would definitely be a global threat However Wiping out the inhabitants of the world through earthquakes, tsunamis, and floods won't break the literal planet. Also Whitebeard doesn't have a singular attack that can effect the entire planet at once. Destroying the world would be an "over time" venture. And even then he'd simply be destroying the world as humanity knows it, not obliterating the literal planet.
ye but old whitebeard was not planet even though he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
@@euwee8701 Everything you are saying is speculative without actual evidence. It's plain and simple. Whitebeard is not confirmed or stated to be capable of hitting a planet and shattering it. Just because you love one piece doesn't mean you should wank the characters to being stronger than they really are. The characters are perfectly fine at the level of power they truly sit at. It's funny because Akainu was able to clash with Gura using Dai funka. So by your logic a single Dai funka is continent level huh? Can just bust all of Africa, Asia, or north America with a single lava fist? Get out of here man.
@@mkchable without evidence? We have a statement that cant be proven to be not true. Yes statements are not always true and I'll give an example. ' the 9 tails has the power to turn the world to ashe'. This statement is a debunkable statement as the Japanese kanji used is for ' society' so meaning just civilisation itself not the planet. Now does this apply to whitebeard statement? No the kanji used is for planet. Furthermore again sengoku would not exaggerate his power to his men as this would do nothing and work against him as it would do the opposite of encouraging his men. Also source of the statement sengoku is from whitebeards era and knows whitebeards power from his prime very well. Old whitebeard was multi continental there are plenty scans that prove it and one piece wiki has him there. He also held back at marineford not to kill his crew. So whitebeard has to be stronger in his prime given the fact he was diseased at the age of 70 and cant use haki and was multi continental. As I said conquerors could be used to buff attacks and haki is even superior to devil fruits with conquerors being the strongest type and we saw him rival roger in just conquerors haki and they almost destroyed the island and they were not going all out as they were freinds and hist having fun and whitebeard never even used his devil fruit. If hes multi continental in age and disease what is he without this? Still the same I dont think so lol. You have to remember even prime whitebeard would be stronger than old whitebeard with devil fruit alone let alone haki. Even don chinjao was able to split at continent and he is coming nowhere near the top powers in one piece. Also the 'debunks' people use for that are not debunks. You can clearly see in the manga image he split it and tools has no effect breaking it or even scratching it so the idea that it being ice makes it weaker is not correct at all. The only way to break it was to apply so much force you can break it all once. That's continental attack potency right there. And yes akainu can wipe out a continent in a fist. His devil fruit is actually stated to have the highest offensive power in one piece. You got to remember that a gear 4 luffy back in dressrossa so no advanced conquerors that he has now, ryuo or gear 5 was able to punch doflamingo so hard into the ground he destroyed most of the island and split it straight open. His fist never even hit the ground as well. This is not even island level this is low country level as dressrossa is small country sized. And this luffy was nowhere close to admiral level, let alone the strongest one. Akainu is continental level at the very least, u would say higher though but that's my opinion and besides the point of this comment so you can ignore this but im just giving an idea. Also I'm merely applying logic to a statement we have. This is all logical and good evidence. A character does not always have to break a planet to be planetary. With all this whitebeard can be scaled to be planet level, you can say no feats to prove it and that's fine but I think we both know the likely hood based on what I said is very likely and your not changing my mind simply because of not enough evidence when I've already said all my reasons. A prime whitebeard is planet level and could be higher that is my opinion.
@@euwee8701 You are pointing out and re-itterating a lot of information I'm already aware of. I've been studying One Piece for years. So let's go ahead and push all that aside. Here's the hard facts. I've explain in TH-cam threads already that I do believe whitebeard is a continental and global threat. He is a threat to the world. Sengoku's statement has truth to it, but being a threat to the world isn't the same as being a "planet buster". PLEASE READ MY EXPLANATION. For example in real life if Nuclear war broke out it would destroy the world (as we know it). Billions of people would die and the world as we know it would be destroyed (changed to a point of no return to what it once was). Whitebeard could accomplish this over time especially on a planet with so much water given he can casually generate massive sea quakes. However He will not take out a single continent or multiple with one punch. You try to claim that even oldbeard could when age didn't effect his df powers, it effected his haki. His enraged most dangerous quake in all of marineford only managed to destroy half of marineford itself which is only the size of a typical island. Are you going to address these facts or gloss over them without evidence?
@@euwee8701 If you honestly imagine or believe that prime whitebeard can literally hit Asia or America and wipe it out of existence, or earth and wipe it out of existence, I simply have to believe that you are a fool that doesn't listen to logic or reason and you are caught in your own fantastical idea of Whitebeard and his strength for your own enjoyment. Arguing with you would be pointless and I won't bother replying.
@@infinity2394 ye but old whitebeard was not planet evelnthough he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period. And yes he can use haki there is nothing to suggest he cant with his fruit what?
@@euwee8701 he didn't use his fruit because the shockwaves his fruit creates can't be infused with haki only devil fruits with material particles not energy particles can be infused with haki for example ace cannot coat his fire with armament haki nor can sabo, but akainu can coat his magma with armament haki that is ultimately why akainu's fruit is better not because it's hotter than fire but because he can coat it with haki (fire is waaaaay hotter than magma trust search it up if you don't believe me.) Also whitebeard isn't multicontinental he can affect the sea's with his fruit yes but he isn't obliterating multiple continents if I was to infer I'd say whitebeard at full power might be able to destroy 35% of greenland which is the largest island in the world. it will affect the sea's without a doubt (if you have haki u can just stop the shockwaves from going that far it doesn't even matter if your haki is waaaay weaker than whitebeards since he can't coat the shockwaves with haki ) so whitebeard will affect the sea change the tides cause minor or major tsunami's here and there based on the nature of his fruit, but he isn't planetary he's just harming a bunch of people in different places without even needing to be near those places that are getting effected.
@@infinity2394And when is this stated? I searched numerous times found absolutely nothing and I searched alot. I actually found the direct opposite and snd found a reddit thread with someone asking this question and it was the opposite of what your saying. Also luffy literally mimics aces red hawk, it is literally aces attack and he can use armament haki with it lol. Your literally making shit up or guessing. Whitebeards fruit is shockwaves, advanced conquerors haki is also shockwaves. It would literally just create a stronger attack.
@@infinity2394 Also as for whitebeard not being planet level : This is a copy and paste comment so if things dont make sense of what I'm saying its because was replying to someone else. Also for whitebeard being multi continental, one piece wiki has him there and you can find scans that prove it. We have a statement that cant be proven to be not true. Yes statements are not always true and I'll give an example. ' the 9 tails has the power to turn the world to ashe'. This statement is a debunkable statement as the Japanese kanji used is for ' society' so meaning just civilisation itself not the planet. Now does this apply to whitebeard statement? No the kanji used is for planet. Furthermore again sengoku would not exaggerate his power to his men as this would do nothing and work against him as it would do the opposite of encouraging his men. Also source of the statement sengoku is from whitebeards era and knows whitebeards power from his prime very well. Old whitebeard was multi continental there are plenty scans that prove it and one piece wiki has him there. He also held back at marineford not to kill his crew. So whitebeard has to be stronger in his prime given the fact he was diseased at the age of 70 and cant use haki and was multi continental. As I said conquerors could be used to buff attacks and haki is even superior to devil fruits with conquerors being the strongest type and we saw him rival roger in just conquerors haki and they almost destroyed the island and they were not going all out as they were freinds and hist having fun and whitebeard never even used his devil fruit. If hes multi continental in age and disease what is he without this? Still the same I dont think so lol. You have to remember even prime whitebeard would be stronger than old whitebeard with devil fruit alone let alone haki. Even don chinjao was able to split at continent and he is coming nowhere near the top powers in one piece. Also the 'debunks' people use for that are not debunks. You can clearly see in the manga image he split it and tools has no effect breaking it or even scratching it so the idea that it being ice makes it weaker is not correct at all. The only way to break it was to apply so much force you can break it all once. That's continental attack potency right there. And yes akainu can wipe out a continent in a fist. His devil fruit is actually stated to have the highest offensive power in one piece. You got to remember that a gear 4 luffy back in dressrossa so no advanced conquerors that he has now, ryuo or gear 5 was able to punch doflamingo so hard into the ground he destroyed most of the island and split it straight open. His fist never even hit the ground as well. This is not even island level this is low country level as dressrossa is small country sized. And this luffy was nowhere close to admiral level, let alone the strongest one. Akainu is continental level at the very least, u would say higher though but that's my opinion and besides the point of this comment so you can ignore this but im just giving an idea. Also I'm merely applying logic to a statement we have. This is all logical and good evidence. A character does not always have to break a planet to be planetary. With all this whitebeard can be scaled to be planet level, you can say no feats to prove it and that's fine but I think we both know the likely hood based on what I said is very likely and your not changing my mind simply because of not enough evidence when I've already said all my reasons. A prime whitebeard is planet level and could be higher that is my opinion.
This video is absolutely cringe lmao he just calc stacked off of the energy steroid ☠️☠️☠️ so bad he got to 1 billion times stronger like does that even sound like solid logic in terms of power scaling to you ?
@@cortiz8726 you don’t you calc characters actual feats or scaling to characters with good feats it’s pretty simple I’m not against multipliers like with Gear 2 and 4 but calc stacking is toxic and has been shown to be inconsistent multiple times
@@akane_2247 you clearly not reading bc no his point dosent stand shit bro this video and this guy in particular calc stacks with no shame and says he’s going with the lowest estimate. calc stacking its self is not inherently bad if you’re trying to scale in series and fill in the blanks of some unquantifiable increases but the way this man does it is absolutely toxic and cringe and why the once piece power scaling community hasn’t taken off like the dragon ball and Naruto scaling community’s just take characters feats for what they are and apply a lil head cannon when necessary if you wanna make a video but all these scales this guy comes up with are literally invalid in a vs debate and again he already had to calc stack with no shame to get these results when Luffy in dresroasa was already Multi Continental Lmao like one piece characters have crazy feats no need to wank the fuck out of them when they’re feats are already better then series like dragon ball or Naruto when they were at the same point in their own story’s that’s a little Ranty but hope it makes sense if not im not gonna ask you to agree with me
All of these guys are clearly Naruto fans boys, also the last dude saying naruto can just speed blitz Luffy and punch to death is clearly being biased. Luffy’s Mika Mika fruit makes him invulnerable to blunt attacks like punches, so no naruto can’t just punch Luffy to death
He is not invulnerable to blunt attacks but he is highly resistant to physical attacks so in Naruto Cherecters way more High scaling so Luffy probably loses
Ok first I wanna say sorry for the late post. I meant to give my thoughts days ago but stuff got in the way. You know how it is. With that said, THIS WAS AN ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL VIDEO.
You are by far the first person on the internet to accurately, articulately, and clearly scale One Piece. Most people on the internet are either dismissing the context of One Piece's feats or misrepresenting it or both. And this is usually done by Naruto fans or other people who don't even read it.
Seriously this video was really impressive. Whats more incredible was the fact is that you were outright downplaying and using the bare minimum and you still proved that they scale to planetary. Absolutely fantastic.
Though, I'd like to add onto a point of yours just in case it comes up.
- One thing I'd like to address is the Chinjao Controversy. This is a heavily debated feat, or at least it was in the past. A common argument people would give is that it didn't "look" like a continent and therefore the feat is only street level. They claim Chinjao's feat isn't impressive because he only made a small crack in the ice sheet and didn't split the whole continent(Ignoring the fact that "Crystal Ice Sheet" is just the NAME of the Continent). The problem with that is that it ignores the whole context of the story. If it were only street level then we've already seen characters in the One Piece verse do worse. So why the hell would this feat be so legendary in-universe if it were only meant to be street level or even island level? Downplaying it to that level doesn't even make sense because Chinjao in his old age, with a much weaker Drill Dragon attack destroyed part of Pica with a shockwave(Chapter 748). A feat well above island level considering he did it with a shockwave, which are millions of times weaker than a direct hit. But it's also made clear that Chinjao in his old age is drastically weaker than he used to be. If the downplayers would be believed then they'd essentially be saying that Chinjao in his old age is stronger than Chinjao in his prime. Which we know wouldn't make any sense as it directly contradicts the story. Chinjao was a continent splitter as indicated by the context of the narrative. Thats all there is to it.
- The whole argument people give about "we haven't seen him destroy a planet" is my absolute most hated argument. It's so retarded. Not just for the obvious fact that no sane person would destroy the planet they're fighting on but because these people KNOW full well that a character doesn't have to destroy a planet to be planet level. NOBODY questions why Goku hasn't destroyed a planet. Nobody would dare claim that he can't either. Yet he's never done so in the entirety of Dragonball. Yet somehow the argument never comes up. Gee, I wonder why.....Could it be that a character doesnt need to blow up a planet to be planet level!? *Gasp!* -___- Gods I hate this fucking argument. It's beyond dumb.
To add on to this point, people also claim the Admirals aren't island level because they didn't destroy the island they were fighting on. Which is stupid for a lot of the same reasons. Ignoring the fact that 2 Devil Fruit users whose weakness is the Ocean would never destroy the only thing keeping them out of the water, but recent Haki revelations in Wano have made it clear why destruction doesn't matter much in One Piece. In Chapter 939 pg 14, Hyogoro clear slates that Haki allows a swordsman to slice through steel but when they DO NOT want to cut something they won't even be able to break a simple piece of paper. Meaning that Haki users, through their own will, can CONTROL what they want to destroy. If they're using Haki and they don't want to destroy something it simply won't be destroyed. Period. So it makes perfect sense why the surrounding islands in One Piece often don't get destroyed because they concentrating their attacks on THEIR OPPONENT. Not the island. Which really just makes them tougher knowing that they're taking those attacks directly on their bodies.
*sigh* Ok I think thats all I wanted to say. I'm glad this video exists. This is the only video around that gives people a clear idea of One Piece's strength while taking into account the FULL context. Which is something no one has ever done before. So thank you.
“ You are by far the first person on the internet to accurately, articulately, and clearly scale One Piece.”
If you wanna see other One Piece scaling content, Tylearned covers One Piece in a couple of his videos, and Idea Shock has some pretty in depth calculation videos for One Piece feats, though some of his older videos are outdated.
@@michaeldorsey9231 I've seen idea shock, and he's ok but he doesn't do it like Steinixos. I'll check out that other guy you mentioned.
Exactly mate, the one reason I believe this heavy misconception exist is due to the first impression or appeal one piece and its premise gives.
I was a biggest naruto fanboy 2 years ago, whenever I saw one piece being in discussion or being powerscaled with the little knowledge I had, one piece seemed silly. Like seriously, on one hand we had ninjas with chakra ability to create matter(which was was chakra disguised) on other we had pirates... and mc is rubber. This creates many people to downplay one piece horrendously then they without knowledge comment and powerscale on it which gets seen by non op watchers leading to this entire mess.
One horrendous take that got 2k likes was "Oh I always know who to support when you put ninja vs a mere pirate lol"... even better one guy had posted a pic of random anbu vs Zoro (his entire point being "oh naruto scales much higher so I thought this was fair...) like I am not even go over how stupid this was yet I have to say at those times I fell for them.
However the moment I watched one piece and saw straight up FTE feats within first 50 episodes..!! Syrup village kuro. Man I was convinced I have been lied to lol. Then logia's came a literal embodiment of elements and one guy is freaking fundamental force of nature!??!? Like what in the holy jesus. Wish many just watched both sources before judging man...
@@gamershack7255 agreed
lol
I love how Steinixos differentiates attack potency with destructive capabilities. I especially love how Steinixos downplays One Piece power so much in this video alone as a sign of good faith that he isn't trying to be biased towards One Piece. The amount of concessions he had to make is insane. I also love how Oda shows that attacks can be continental or multi-continental in raw potency without having to explicitly show that attack destroy continents.
If anything I prefer how One Piece displays power since almost all attacks are concentrated and focused. There's a sort of artistry and elegance to being able to annihilate someone without having to nuke an island or continent in the process.
Brilliant video. Gonna add onto the discussion about Whitebeard.
People often underrate Whitebeard and lowball him to island level by saying he "only split an island" and then they act like thats the pinnacle of feats we'll ever see in the One Piece verse because it was "the best WB could do".
The thing people keep missing is that, whats significant about this feat IS NOT "what" he split or "how" big the split was.
It's how the feat was preformed.
The epicenter of the Quake was Akainu. He split the island indirectly. Thats whats key here. The island breaking in half was just a side-effect of him hitting Akainu. It's just the shockwave, which naturally is going to be millions of times weaker than the actual source of the blow.
Not to mention it was a controlled attack. He purposefully minimized the damage so that it would only split the island. His aim was to separate his crew from the Marines so they could get away.
All that while he was weakened and on the brink of death from losing half his literal skull.
It was nowhere near the limit of what he's capable of. I'm getting SO tired of people completely leaving out the context when it comes to One Piece feats.
Old whitebeard has a far stronger feat than indirectly splitting an island. He managed to tilt not only a large island such as marineford but also tilted the sea around it as an indirect result of his attack.
This was while on life support, had multiple gun shots a sword wound and a hole in his body and was severely aged and way WAY out of his prime.
@@jibby6969 and people still don’t think he’s the strongest man… not pirate strongest man in the world…
@@scarfacemartinez Whitebeard really deserves the title strongest man, no strongest father in the world. i mean the fact he's on life support, and in the war, he took 267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds, cannon shots are 46, 2 of akainu's magma fist 1 being boiled from the inside, half his face blown off with his beard (exclusive to who read the manga), freeze by aokiji and all of that, not a single scratch on his back not a single scar from running away. people seriously downplay him
Not millions of times weaker. That punch was likely multi island level but the shockwave was likely of similar strength to the punch. Whitebeard tilting marineford and the ocean is a bigger feat than the island feat.
taking statements at face value isn't always the way to go
What an amazing video, finally someone gave One piece the respect it deserves.
Basically like SS and DB and almost all big franchises they focus their energy there isn't too much Aoe but the lore /context indicates us how strong they really are
The difference? Frieza destroyed planets in his 1st form while young
@@dumb-shark-king well of course but it's not the point of my comment
@@dumb-shark-king and Cell is stronger than namek DBZ arc Freeza that's the point of my comment
@@Senku19906 go easy on him bro, you killed him
I’m confused on what you’re trying to say here
Loved this video, your literally teaching these people That didn't even know what they were actually talking about, pure facts presented in the literal show itself while lowering down some of characters feats at the same time, I really appreciate how much time you put in these videos 👏
Really excited for this. Gonna have to wait to watch this later but I'll leave this comment for the algorithm in the meantime.
The accent makes the sarcasm so much better lmaoo. I've been binging these and I'm gonna tell my friends about this channel too
How I like to explain what you mentioned in the beginning is that feathers weighing 1 kilogram may seem bigger than a piece of metal weighing 1 kilogram but they have the same weight after all but the metal is just denser, similar to big AOE attacks and concentrated attack, AOE attacks are bigger but aren’t stronger than concentrated attacks since concentrated attacks have denser power.
One correction:
Zorro did not beat Mr. 1 because got stronger; he beat him with a new technique he had been contemplating for a while, that is, how to cut through steel. He was already strong enough to cut steel but didn't understand the technique.
Very good point! Hadn’t thought about it like that
He cut him with haki
@@MicaW4VE mfw Zoro didn’t use haki until chapter 778:
@@BeauOS zoro awakened his haki during that fight if u knew what his sword master was referencing when telling zoro about the pinnacle of swordmanship he was talking about haki, even hyogoro says the same line when explaining haki to luffy in udon prison
"there is an invisible power that stems from the body and can be infused with the blade. A good katana will cut through steel when u want it to and will not cut through a sheet a paper if u do not wish it, it is all according to the desire of the swordman"
Zoro when he senses his surroundings with haki "I can feel something alive in them, more than just a presence more distinct like breathing" "I can feel the breathing of his steel, the trees, the earth around me"
Zoro right before he prepares his attack: "my sword understands my will"
He got stronger then? What's this semantic argument you're making? If you can't cut something even though you know how to do so, then you're weaker than your potential, once you live up to your potential, then you've gotten stronger. That's how it works.
best one piece scaling vid ive seen
Awesome video don’t underestimate one piece 🔥🔥🔥
Still fodder
I love your vids! Please keep this coming my lord this healed my brain from some of the crazy discussions I’ve been seeing about one piece power level
This video definitely changed my opinion of one piece because I was downplaying them to Continental to multi-continental at best. Now depending on how big the one piece planet is compare to our planet can say if they small planet lvl or not.
one piece planet is way larger than sun some people say
@@soninhatorres9323 yeah and never have they produced a single ounce of viable reasoning
@@eoghanjones9042 where do you scale luffy max?
Jesus christ bro this video was too good
Great video, one piece is so underestimated when compared to Naruto and Bleach
One Piece and Bleach are stronger than Naruto's 🌎
@@dinomoney2142 Yeah
@@blackcatpirates8134 still fodder
@@dinomoney2142 Naruto verse is actually stronger currently with possibly galaxy to universal characters
Tbh one piece isn’t that underrated
People say luffy can turn imagination into reality lmao
But compared to these two yeah
What I love about this video is that you use actual numbers and doesn't just take stuff from your arse based on bias
More content, bruv. 🔥🔥🔥
This is one of the best channel that covers power levels in animes
Oh, I really like this guy . He works with context and i loves it .
Great video, made me subscribe.
Looking for more!
I’m just curious on how you feel about 2 things I’ve heard a lot recently 1. That characters don’t scale to their devilfruits so like you can’t scale other characters off of whitebeard. And 2. The entire Blackbeard star level Meta where his black holes don’t let light escape pretty much granting themselves the mass of a star.
I’m mesmerized by your accent. Where does it come from? It’s unlike anything I’ve ever heard and the rhythm in which you speak is literally like music. I could listen to you talk for hours.
Jamaican
@@tunnelvision7906 I’ve heard plenty of Jamaican and while his accent does sound very close to what I’m familiar with, it seems different enough to have sparked the question.
Are you sure it’s Jamaican or, like me, just feel it sounds a lot like it so it’s a safe assumption?
@@upd0g1 I’m just assuming
@@tunnelvision7906 ah fair enough. Id make the same assumption tbh
Carribbean probably saint Maarten
danm u underated
It makes no sense that people think a direct statement in the manga is exaggerated, no offense to Naruto but Naruto fans be taking them light novel stats like Temari can blow away the universe, and the nine-tails can turn the world to ash to heart, and that’s not even official
Steinisxos which is your favorite character in one piece?
Zoro is my favorite character. Aokiji is probably a close second
Phenomenal
I saw Sengoku stating that whitebeard can destroy the world as him destroying the earth's crust, and all life that lives on top of it. i think his saying the world rather than planet makes the connotation a little vague, and reasonable for people to confuse his statement as exaggerative. though either way world can mean the planet itself, but usually when people us that word I believe they mean that it destroys all life or humanity,, but it is the same effect. I am curious wether it is a translation error.
I take it as no one in the world at that time being possible to be able to beat him. Even all at once, the world.
ye but old whitebeard was not planet even though he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
Really great content for an over view, I look forward to further in depth scaling!
The only thing I might contest is your interpretation for CP9’s power levels and the multiplier you put to Lucci’s hybrid form.
Best I could calculate from his ability to blitz Blueno, Luffy’s gear 2 would have a little over 4x the speed he has in base, and given Lucci being roughly comparable to Luffy I think this would apply to his Zoan form as well.
As for the planetary scaling, there’s actually a neat bit in Alabasta that can give a reasonable estimate for the planets size.
Vivi says that the Sandora River is about 50km wide; not only does this make Alabasta itself comparable to real world continents from pixel scaling the island in an overhead shot, but on several occasions the characters and the reader can see the other side of the river, meaning the horizon distance at sea level is about 50 km as well.
Having already done the math with the horizon distance and Vivi’s height, the One Piece planet would have a radius of 739,644.97 km, a volume of 1,690,000,000,000,000,000 km^3, and assuming a gravitational acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 like Earth it would have a mass of 8.0348468065428E+28 kg.
The only hole I could see with this is the fact that atmospheric refraction is a thing, that in spite of out horizon only being about 5km it’s possible to see objects past the horizon from light being refracted through the air. Even then this is only possible through precise weather conditions that I don’t know if Alabasta’s climate is comparable to, and even in instances of atmospheric refraction on earth you can only really see the top of distant objects, whereas with the Sandora you’re not only seeing the hill tops on the other side of the river but also the river bank itself.
If this scaling does hold up, and assuming that Whitebeard could cause anything from a magnitude 4 to a magnitude 9.5 aftershock on the other side of the planet, then his power would range anywhere from 147 petatons to 26 yottatons of tnt, at least going by vs battle wiki’s formula for quakes.
this makes a lot of sense seing how the most pwerful weapons in one piece ``only´´ destroying islands and pluton being seen as a threat on the same level or higher than whitebeard who can ravage and possibly destroy earth.
alabasta was pretty big though
Also the wano island is stated 1000 ri either in radius or diameter or the area of wano
This would mean the wano island is at least the size of india or the Entire US OR THE ENTIRE EURASIA (Europe and asia combined)
1000 ri is around 4000 km btw in Japan measurements
And Kaido is huge
When is your naruto and sasuke vs luffy and zoro video coming out
Close to the end of wano
@@Steinixos soo in a few weeks or are you waiting just in case of another power up for luffy
Hordy skippin leg day 💀
Whitebeard could literally cause a mass extinction if he wanted to. Sense most of the land masses in One Piece are islands all he needs to is. 1 Create a mega tsunami big enough to go around the world or. 2 Quake slap a super volcano until it erupts causing a nuclear winter just like the meteor did to the dinosaurs.
awesome
I find this totally unbelievable
Can you do this but for My Hero Academia?
Yeah I plan to read it
Can you make a hunter hunter vs one piece video
sounds about right.
Did you know? We're not going to use this to scale. For real though great video!
Now high ball it
Great scaling. Even though I won't agree to planetary yet still Great points yet. I would say my problem with scaling is I feel there are two different ways to look at it. Actual stacking like you used and in story/narrative scaling. I feel the latter is what I mainly look at but I feel the former is needed especially for vs battles. Also as we know one piece is more plot based and Oda has even shown a good amount of times on how he would utilize plot for things to happen even if it doesn't make sense power scaling wise. Good vid nonetheless
WB is planatary and there is much more powerful character than WB like joyboy imu etc
@@rohanbhowmick2548 WB is not planetary until proven..Any statements about him is a hyperbole
@@trehubb6144 BRO WB CAN LITERALLY BREAK THE WORLD WITH HIS FRUIT
Yeah saying that planet surface feats are definitively planetary is wrong, the planet surface is nothing to the actual entire planet even if you think the One Piece world is bigger than ours. Obviously when taking about "no where on the planet to run from Whitebeard" or "Having the power to destroy the world" I doubt they wouldn't just be talking about the planet surface where people actually live instead of the mantle down the core of the planet. Yelling and making an island and the ocean around it shake is impressive but the difference between the planet surface and the entire planet makes that irrelevant if you wanna say he's planetary.
@@rohanbhowmick2548 never been proven through feats
Just to help with the Sengoku comment about Whitebeard being able to destroy the world. Why would Sengoku intentionally exaggerate Whitebeard's power and potentially scare his men if Whitebeard was not that strong? It wouldn't help the Marine fodder do any better against Whitebeard. If anything, stating Whitebeard's true power helps Sengoku make sure his men are resolved enough, even to die, to fight Whitebeard.
Imo it either refers to prime whitebeard or whitebeards full extent of his fruit and not whitebeard it’s never stated it’s whitebeard but a power instead
Great video, can you do one but for speed in ONE piece? I mean, many think they are faster than light while Kizaru has been stated the fastest.
Already did a speed video. Just check the channel
@@Steinixos Lol, añready saw it hahaha. I agree in this video, but not on the speed 🥴🤥
@@luisrosales2856 kizaru was never stated as fastest character
Tilting the sea feat was calc to be from Small-Large planet level, seraph made a similar video like this
So, so far they are all continental to multicontinental? With only WB being probably planetary? And thats only do to his DF hax
You are a very wise child
Lol, I watched all of Naruto YEARS before I even gave One Piece a chance. It made me laugh that within the first one minute and forty seconds, I'm already giving a side eye to some of these Naruto fans I've seen on forums talking about the data books. I look at the source material to tell me what a person can do, because actions speak louder than words. It's the same reason most One Piece fans always talk about feats and just look at data books quotes on strength as just something interesting to read. Obviously, there are some that will still try to use those data books, but we laugh at them too. Those are for hype and advertising.
And for telling us boob sizes..including the men, lol.
I would love to see someone who had gotten the eternal youth surgery take tons of the fishmen's strength steroids. On paper they could become unstoppable.
Yo, for real!
I still think it would be a stretch to say they stack infinitely the pills it would be the biggest multiplier in all of anime
That wouldn't be the animes fault that would just be because that's how oda said they functioned
You've clearly never seen multipliers from DB, Bleach or Naruto.
Goku grew millions of times stronger after a couple of fights with Jiren.
Tell you what, armament haki is in fact a 150x multiplier in base.
This is quantified using the basic haki feats of the Kuja girl that shot arrows at Luffy. A normal arrow, shot at full speed would shatter on impact with rocks, her haki arrows blew rocks to bits making it at least 150x stronger than a normal arrow made out of wood.
Why do you think Vergo could clash swords with a bamboo stick for example, Or how Sanji can block bullets with his legs when saving Toko in Wano? His skin itself was enhanced to be able to literally deflect bullets, imagine the calc for that (how thick of a skin you need to make bullets useless).
So if, a character can punch a mountain away with a single punch without using haki, then the same feat with haki would have a 150x more attack potency.
That's how crazy One Piece multipliers work, we just usually don't go out of our way to consider the multiplier for haki because most people don't even remember how basic haki was introduced in the series.
So the pills thing isn't even that crazy, which was why Luffy could defeat him without gear 4th, his haki multiplier was even higher than Hoardy's pills.
Remember how Doflamingo who could casually split a meteor in half couldn't pierce gear 4th Luffy because his elasticity had increased to a point where Doffy's strings didn't have the pressure required to pierce him. All he did was use full body haki on top of his expanded rubber muscles making it more dense, yet more malleable and flexible.
Even if you say gear 4th is a 20x multiplier, then 150x of that would be a 3000x multiplier and his stronger attacks in that form is even MORE amplified. So haki is a crazy multiplier, the pills don't even come close.
How much stronger is haki a infused punch than a non haki infused punch
Nice job .I am so grateful for this video. Any one piece fan would be ..
Finally we have a lawyer 😂
Most of the video doesn't mention haki which was used with no color in the older arcs
"Noooo stop! One Piece characters aren't allowed to be strong, one piece has to be the weakest of the big threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" - Some anime fan, probably.
I mean I don’t think that’s wrong
Bleach def not wrong
One piece have a lot of strong characters while as naruto have a few REALLY STRONG characters, shibai for example
Is your channel character based off Nyarlathotep? If not you should check him out, lovecraft outer god
Could you do an update on this together on an update for G5 luffy and zoro&sanji
Bro I love how ridiculous this gets “at least large island level durability” and “ quick TH-cam search shows you can swallow 40 pills”
i want gaara vs crocodile
Ah yes characters who can destroy a whole world on a whim
I forgot to tell you THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!!!!
Yo imagine kiado and his army with impact weapons
15:30 hody looks like a lesbian in this picture
Don’t all physical attacks have some shockwave to them? You can’t hit something without the shockwave of the force being carried into said object no matter what. Even projectiles and moving causes shockwaves. So technically ever attack actually does damage luffy but the part that hits him is somewhat lessened.
Well no something has to be going at supersonic speeds to create a shockwave
I am technically yes, but let’s be honest the shockwave generated from a normal punch isn’t strong enough to shatter concrete, not by a long shot.
If the pill doubles Hody’s strength after eating one, does it continue doubling after the second or third or tenth?
Yes as long as he fully ingests it.
I'll settle for a Continental+ at it's low end
There's this anoying thing thats been around for years. Where people asume Luffy's Devil Fruit will make him immune to the Gura Gura no mi. And I was like IMPACT DIALS CAN TURT LUFFY.
Unbiased 🗿
Adult gon vs pre time skip luffy
Then make a black clover vs one piece video
W
Luci was way bigger the first time he transformed
You jamaican?
18:25 In the anime he is shown to take a handful of pills (ep 550)
If I had to sum up this video I would say: luffy is casually very strong
he hit blueno more than twice. more like 8 times
3 Gear Second attacks
@@mainemail4603 i know he used jet pistol, missle and bazooka....but youre forgetting the attacks he used that werent named...they count too
Great video but... tone down on the "literally" please XD
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No hate to the creator of the video but I wanted to share my own opinion to the topic at hand.
( 24:30 ) White beard being stated to having the power to destroy the world is one of his many titles, you cant scale someone based on titles. ( 25:10 ) having no where to retreat can very well just be the amount of power he has inside of the one piece world (for example you going in jungle with a Tiger who wants to hunt you down, it would be very hard to get away from it. ( 25:26 ) saying Wb is able to shake random islands with no quantifiable distance makes him able to destroy the entire world is outrages. ( 25:40 ) saying a continental feat from Black beard scales Wb planetary is wild (continental is being pretty generous seeing as it was mostly water. I'm sure some calcs get it continental). ( 26:00 ) telling feats under planetary doesn't matter when the only thing that does matter is scaling him planetary. ( 22:50 ) from what I see that statement was true seeing as you are using fake translations to scale your characters and using feats under planetary to cope with the fact No character in the One Piece manga is planetary at this very moment. If you were to ask me where I scale One Piece I would tell you multi Continental to moon level.
What if brook took the pills
just so you know the buggy feat is not city block is actually Small Building level. you can scale the height of the houses in 2:48 picture using the canon and the explosion at the end of the last house is roughly 20+m giving it a Small Building level AP/DC which feats to the feats luffy does prior and post this with him punching arlong through the building and sanji kicking a sea king are all similar feats.
what you did with the fishmen is call calculation stacking, and its super wrong to do this.
Chinjao splitting the ice continent via the size of the split and using Antartica is only a Mountain level feat, idk where you got Multi Continental from but please learn how to calculate.
people really dont understand how strong City Block or Town level feats really are, they get used to using it so much that they think its nothing, reminds me of guys on comicvine thinking that Town level feats are island level -> franky nuke chapter a Small Town level explosion is passed as a Mountain+ level feat is so damn stupid.
ACe feat on the Island with Blackbeard got wanked to Island level when in fact is a Town level feat
So, were not going to talk about the houses being destroyed right after the buggy ball?
he said luffy was multi continental because he beat someone in gear 2nd who was able to destroy a the ice continent with ease.
Your comment is just stupid asf. Most downplay you can possibly try and pull.
@@cortiz8726 even if chinjao destroyed it all it’s not an actual continent feat it’s called an ice SHEET it’s only a layer of ice not an actual continent do what he did was just split a surface of something for example if you crack the earths crust all around it’s not planetary
one piece characters are so busted because they are slightly cartoonified
EoS Luffy will be outerversal
If a character can destroy one planet the size of Earth and gets five times stronger, does that mean they can destroy a planet five times the size of Earth? Is that how the calculations work?
Their scale rises
Luffy Gear 5 maximum tecnique=Big Volcaninc Eruption stated by manga and that completly freaked out all the presents except Luffy and the 2 Yonkous receiving it. So yeah, Luffy Gear 5 as a Small country level sound perfect and is what manga states. Also the pills were acumulative, not multiplicative. And the one that oneshouted Cody was a Gear second and Gear 3 elefant Gun. Not a only Gear 3 elephant Gun. Also Gekko Moria didn't completly cut the Island but less than half of it. Also Kuma didn't take out damage, only pain and feelings of suffering, damage is still there
Luffy made the volcanic explosion and cracked wano with just Kaido aceleration, that's like you puched a worm and it broke a wall, if luffy ever landed the attack on the ground it would have destroyed Wano and made a gigantic tsunami in the new world, but still that's just destructive capability, attack potency can be higher even if the attack isn't that destructive
@@Elchinodawn The problem is that destroying Wano that can't reach the first Sea Sky at 7 km from Sea Level even while flying s and Island level attack and is showed even by Zoro and Law that damaged/fighted a Yonkou creating a Volcanic Eruption is insane and unbeliable and Kaido literally loosed to the fullforce attack and went to lava with Big Mom when Luffy was putting the same strenght.
Again, the power level and most of the calculations are indeed incorrect including the steroids Calc that is at best a 400 times amp and his attack pre second eating was small City level at best while not account retcons or exagerations from characters perspective.
At best Luffy Gear 5 is Large Island to small country level
So whitebeard could destroy the world as sengoku said, so does he mean prime whitebeard or the old whitebeard that appeared in the marineford? Bcs we've seen him using it in rage when ace died and he punched akainu so hard it made the entire HQ destroyed but still, you telling me akainu has that kinda durability/endurance of an entire world? since whitebeard can destroy the world how come he couldn't kill a single human? not exactly human i mean akainu was strong and probably was in his prime and whitebeard is old but as much as i saw that statement was a bit taken srsly, i don't think he can destroy the world in anymean i get it ppl fear him since he went toe to toe with roger but still there was no feat in the entire one piece universe that makes them at least multi continent, the guy with the pointy head destroyed an ice continent i mean anyone with strong armament haki or conq haki could do that it's ice in the end if it was land i doubt he'd barely do that, as far as shown in one piece non of the characters are multi continent like you said, and luffy punching doflamingo destroyed most of dressrosa and we all know if luffy intentionally punched it he could've drown the whole island but that was a small island feat? how is that multi continent tf? and ofc luffy with his gear 5 has largely gotten much power and hax he even could make his punch probably 5/10times the one he used to make enough to cover onigashima that would make him small country level? i mean i'm pretty sure with the appearance of imu and joyboy things will get to contiental but moon level and multi continental? PLANETARY? XDD ayo that's a big statement to make
ye but old whitebeard was not planet evelnthough he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
Also watch his video where he scales luffy. I would say gear 5 luffy is moon level from that video it at least proves that because i think it does overscale a little and moon level makes sense. Whitebeard was the strongest yonko planet level - I believe all other yonko who are less powerful than him as moon level.
@@euwee8701 old whitebears isn’t multi continental? There was no feat of him being multi continental he used his quack quack no mi in marine ford and the damaged area wasn’t as big as even 1 continent let alone multi continents or moon, and him clashing with roger and let’s assume they nearly destroyed the island isn’t even a continental feat matter of fact i haven’t even seen one continental feat from one piece entirely and yeah the statement was an exaggeration id say from what i saw that he was probably large country and you telling me g5 luffy is moon level wtf? I don’t want to say oh he didn’t destroy a continent that means he can’t but honestly i wish you could explain more how he could destroy an entire continent (luffyg5) maybe whitebeard in his prime could reach continental level but luffy?
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This is a copy and paste comment so if things dont make sense of what I'm saying its because was replying to someone else. Also for whitebeard being multi continental, one piece wiki has him there and you can find scans that prove it so that's just not right.
We have a statement that cant be proven to be not true. Yes statements are not always true and I'll give an example. ' the 9 tails has the power to turn the world to ashe'. This statement is a debunkable statement as the Japanese kanji used is for ' society' so meaning just civilisation itself not the planet.
Now does this apply to whitebeard statement? No the kanji used is for planet.
Furthermore again sengoku would not exaggerate his power to his men as this would do nothing and work against him as it would do the opposite of encouraging his men. Also source of the statement sengoku is from whitebeards era and knows whitebeards power from his prime very well.
Old whitebeard was multi continental there are plenty scans that prove it and one piece wiki has him there. He also held back at marineford not to kill his crew.
So whitebeard has to be stronger in his prime given the fact he was diseased at the age of 70 and cant use haki and was multi continental. As I said conquerors could be used to buff attacks and haki is even superior to devil fruits with conquerors being the strongest type and we saw him rival roger in just conquerors haki and they almost destroyed the island and they were not going all out as they were freinds and hist having fun and whitebeard never even used his devil fruit. If hes multi continental in age and disease what is he without this? Still the same I dont think so lol. You have to remember even prime whitebeard would be stronger than old whitebeard with devil fruit alone let alone haki.
Even don chinjao was able to split at continent and he is coming nowhere near the top powers in one piece. Also the 'debunks' people use for that are not debunks. You can clearly see in the manga image he split it and tools has no effect breaking it or even scratching it so the idea that it being ice makes it weaker is not correct at all. The only way to break it was to apply so much force you can break it all once. That's continental attack potency right there.
And yes akainu can wipe out a continent in a fist. His devil fruit is actually stated to have the highest offensive power in one piece. You got to remember that a gear 4 luffy back in dressrossa so no advanced conquerors that he has now, ryuo or gear 5 was able to punch doflamingo so hard into the ground he destroyed most of the island and split it straight open. His fist never even hit the ground as well. This is not even island level this is low country level as dressrossa is small country sized. And this luffy was nowhere close to admiral level, let alone the strongest one. Akainu is continental level at the very least, u would say higher though but that's my opinion and besides the point of this comment so you can ignore this but im just giving an idea.
Also I'm merely applying logic to a statement we have. This is all logical and good evidence. A character does not always have to break a planet to be planetary. With all this whitebeard can be scaled to be planet level, you can say no feats to prove it and that's fine but I think we both know the likely hood based on what I said is very likely and your not changing my mind simply because of not enough evidence when I've already said all my reasons. A prime whitebeard is planet level and could be higher that is my opinion.
To answer your question, Sengoku was referring to a whitebeard before he was sick. As in, just a regular old man with no health problems like garp, rayleigh and himself, could destroy the world. But to address your "we haven't seen it tho" arguement it is severely flawed. What you don't seem to understand about one piece characters is that they are like dragon ball characters. Not in the sense that they are as strong as them, but they can control their power. In dragon ball, characters have been planetary since the saiyan saga but not every fight we see destroys the planet. Why is that? It's simple they control their energy so that it doesn't make the planet explode. In one piece whitebeard's quakes are the exact same. They won't break the planet because whitebeard ISN'T TRYING TO BREAK THE PLANET. The reason he is multicontinental is because he is easily above a mid tier like Sai. Sai like his father don chinjao, csn break a continent, and no it's not "just ice". This ice has been stated to be far above normal ice, No pirate could break through it with, life tools or anything, it's far stronger than any ice normally made and is just as as other land masses which is what makes breaking it a feat. So we know Chigao's head is a continental level in attack potency and then because we know Sai is much stronger than him and Whitebeard is FAR and away stronger than him despite being a sick old man, makes him at LEAST multi-continental not factoring in advanced anything haki related. Doflamingo, with his strings is even stronger than this don chingao, and katakuri and people like him are leagues stronger than doflamingo. Making them multi-continental since the both of them are mid-tiers in comparison. and whitebeard with JUST his devil fruit is stronger than ALL these guys, whitebeard with advanced haki, completely shatters the multi-continental scale we even see that this nerfed whitebeard is STILL causing quakes on other sides of the planet, proving how destructive he is. It's thanks to this scaling that whitebeard is planetary. Kaido, Luffy, and many others scale to that hypothetical old man whitebeard that isn't sick and to be considered in the same league, makes them planet level as well.
@@TrueReverse74I agree with this statement.
Meh Hodys pills dont have to add strength exponentially. More pills dont have to always quadruple. The first few pills may quadruple his power, but then get less and less efficient pill by pill. Hody boing even close to continent level is silly and against any writing logic. This obviously puts the other following conclusions slightly down
He literally low balled the entire video even up to that point. He started by lowballing base Hody by saying he was equal to Rob Lucci from Enis Lobby when that is not the case and then even low balled the amount of pills he took. Beyond all of that it was stated in story that they doubled strength and he even included that they could have not been as potent. Your just claiming that the pills dont have to. You provided no proof that they don't so what was the point in your comment yeah if your right and the pills don't do what its said they do then your right it brings the following conclusions slightly down except the fact that evidence other than Hody's strength was used to show Luffy being multi continental with a lowball. Your argument is essentially well in dragonball even though its stated that Super Sayan 2 is exponentially stronger than normal Super Sayan it doesn't have to be making Goku slightly less strong.
Except you have absolutely no contextual evidence stating that the pills drop off at a certain amount, while its the opposite for his argument. Quit downplaying contextual evidence just to make your theory seem better
@@scottiecurrie7927 Hody does literally nothing after the 30 pills to indicate he is 1 million times stronger than he was previously. The pills actually don't need diminishing returns though, the could simply be additive at a certain point. So say, the first does indeed multiply your power, but each subsequent pill adds to that multiplier, so instead of going from 4 times stronger to 16 times stronger, you just add on another 4, so it becomes 8, then the next pill would Mae it 12, and so on.
@@videomaniac6255 Still all headcanon on your part. Nothing in the story to indicate what you're saying is true
@@scottiecurrie7927 except for the actual events of the story? Hordy had 0 feats to even suggest he's anywhere close to reaching the exponential growth you theorize the pills give.
one piece caps at continental
planet level isnt a question
if u would do ur research u would have found a vivre card that states whitebeard destroying the world is only his title not a scale of his power
search- whitebeard vivre card and u will find it urself
Please cope
@@gabrielwilltryhard6572 ....
@@verge..576 Whitebeard makes 100 huge earthquakes by spamming the fruit earth destroyed your just wrong
Also just for the icing on the cake a weak and dying whitebeard was content level at worst and he was exponentially stronger in his prime
Funny how you talk so condescendingly and tell people to do their research when you clearly have never done so yourself. Whitebeard is far beyond even planetary given the size of the One Piece world. He's easily Star to Large Star level, and there are some beings that could potentially be even stronger than him, such as Rocks and Im. Maybe you should take your own advice and do some research before you get such an inflated ego
"Naruto still solos" - 🤡🤡
yeah tenten solos
@@aboliistop the cap, cop harder
@@ChardleyLouis kid konohamaru solos
@@abolii Chopper solos all of Naruto.
@@ChardleyLouis sperm cell naruto solos all of one piece
well also alot of early feats are gags
Disputing early feats in the manga by the author and stating according to your head cannon are gags smh
If I correctly remember Luffy Gear 5 final tecnique is as strong as a Volcaninc Eruption so I should talk about that, also the Buggy bomb didn't hit Zoro and didn't hit Buggy(Stated he evade it). Also nope, it isn't confirmed at any point One Piece World is bigger than ours and it only has a continent. The Moons from One piece World are confirmed as artificial Moon on Enel mini story arc on One piece manga covers
Also the Mr 1 feat is stated Zoro only learned how to cut Steel(Resistance of Mr One cause of his devil fruit), he didn't increased his power but improved his cutting ability.
And Shirojige can destroy the surface of the planet with Sufficent time. Also Don Chinjao prime was way stronger than Gear 4 Luffy, he loosed power with time stated by manga and also as we see Chinjao just shatter a part of the continent and a Normal Haki Garp that trained with 8 mountains not destroying them in one hit could overcome Don Chinjao
This some bullshit right here, where did it say volcanic eruption? Oh in some sketch ass Google translate shit? And let me remind you kaido was literally just a tiny bit below the likes of garp and Roger, who are atleast dozens of times stronger than the effortlessly continent splitting chinjao who could've easily shattered the whole thing. And hes stronger than kaido, and the baguar gun was an overkill move. And another thing to mention is that the force of an eruption absolutely WOULD NOT send a massive dragon as resistant as kaido through the Earth's crust. Theres another thing! He didn't punch the crust, merely the thing that was launched by his punch penetrated the crust. You're mentioning shit that goes against your case, and Zoro got stronger as well, we see characters get stronger with every battle so it was partially power and technique. Also it doesn't FUCKING MATTER if it didn't hit them, a blast that powerful flying by someone in the open air 10 feet away would rip them to shreds, much less being in a building which contained so much more of that energy and focused it on him. And considering statements about island sizes, quantities, and the sizes of certain oceans it's definitely bigger than earth
Bro are you dumb? The volcano eruption was just one of the many effects of luffys attack, and keep in mind luffy did punch the ground but he punched kaidos strongest form, meaning he had to bypass his durability
@@Habesh778 Advance Emperors Haki ignores durability of Kaido+Gear 5 effects make even greater the durability ignorated. Snd that didn't change the fact that anyone that wasn't Kaido and Big Mom literally were freaked out by Luffy generating a Volcanic Eruption that was the result of Luffys Gear 5 biggest and strongest attack to end Kaido after the long fight they had. The problem is that some feats on this video are badly consider Higher from what they really are(On Luffy and the cutting level mostly with some Ussop misconceptions about Buggy canon bullets power or later fights that has way less destructive level but still are more difficult for Luffy, including also mistraductions from One Piece Japanese manga.).
Hody Jones steroids didn't acumulate the multiplicative effects, they are added, that's how steroids works. A really big effect with minimal dosis but minusculous increments to that initial one with greater dosis plus the more constantly they are used the lower effecs they have. Still Luffy Gear 5 is Small to mid country.
@@antoinepolnareff8970 ye but old whitebeard was not planet evelnthough he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
Whitebeard is so debunkable lmao. He doesn’t scale to his fruit and it’s just Hax/ability not AP. Prove Whitebeard can destroy the world with his own energy, not the fruits. And him having the power to destroy the world is merely a title, plus he only destroys it with earthquakes which only shift tectonic plates. The bias is actually crazy.
Same can be said for the narutards who scale kaguya to uni
@@Cope690 nah
@@cjusedits yes it can lmao
try and debunk it then 🗣️
@@cjusedits nah , its useless to debate with someone who uses hyperbolic statements to scale
Bri by your logic madara is universal because madara also stated to destroy universe lol 😂😂😂... come on bro you should learn about hyperbole statement
The thing is that in destructuve capability white beard creates quakes and depending on the size of the quake it can destroy the world and the fact that it was stated by sengoku who practically saw Roger and white beard grow up and fought them in their prime so if it is stated by sengoku it must be true ..
@@emmanueladekunle3088 Nope ☠️ It is hyperbolic statement there is no feat other than island shaking feat from his old age and that can't back it up a planet bursting feat in a single attack lol... Also sengoku never even see a planet bursting feat in the first place..
Also even in OP databook/vivrecard stated that the statement was hyperbolic...
@@cjmatrix7366 it was never stated to ve an hyperbolic statement and there is no evidence to support your claim tbh
@@cjmatrix7366 statements based on characters with a specific power or character that have good knowledge of other characters concerning powers are mostly true it's like saying that kuna firing the pad cannons at light speed is an hyperbolic statement it's just dumb ..
@@emmanueladekunle3088 Bro just read the databook about Whitebeard you can just search it on internet about WB vivrecard/databook
I'm literally copy pasting the statement from the vivre card you can just read to make sure if you don't believe me lol 😂
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"WB could destroy the world only meant for his title not for his power level"
Just read the databook not backup feat nor any other kind proof statement that seems like hyperbolic are just statements just like madara.....
yea thats cool and all
but can they beat goku
😂
Za waraldo
and his moria scale is wrong as in his luffy vs naruto vid he refuses to acknowledge the ten tails planet comparison which was clearly hinted at and madara absorbed it and the god tree with it but he still didnt take that as a planet level multiplier but takes random ass shadows as a 1000 multiplier like what
bias as hell
Okay? Good for you????
@@gabrielwilltryhard6572 umm ok
@@verge..576 cope
its so sad that your favorite verse isn't as strong as you think it is and that not a single Naruto character can harm any logia user without finding there elemental counter
@@mainemail4603 ikr
Going to have to disagree with you on something. There is no One Piece character that is simply "planetary". Not even Whitebeard. Yes. Whitebeard could theoretically "destroy the world". The power to generate earthquakes on a planet that's like 90% water would definitely be a global threat
However
Wiping out the inhabitants of the world through earthquakes, tsunamis, and floods won't break the literal planet. Also Whitebeard doesn't have a singular attack that can effect the entire planet at once. Destroying the world would be an "over time" venture. And even then he'd simply be destroying the world as humanity knows it, not obliterating the literal planet.
ye but old whitebeard was not planet even though he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period.
@@euwee8701 Everything you are saying is speculative without actual evidence.
It's plain and simple. Whitebeard is not confirmed or stated to be capable of hitting a planet and shattering it. Just because you love one piece doesn't mean you should wank the characters to being stronger than they really are. The characters are perfectly fine at the level of power they truly sit at.
It's funny because Akainu was able to clash with Gura using Dai funka. So by your logic a single Dai funka is continent level huh? Can just bust all of Africa, Asia, or north America with a single lava fist? Get out of here man.
@@mkchable without evidence? We have a statement that cant be proven to be not true. Yes statements are not always true and I'll give an example. ' the 9 tails has the power to turn the world to ashe'. This statement is a debunkable statement as the Japanese kanji used is for ' society' so meaning just civilisation itself not the planet.
Now does this apply to whitebeard statement? No the kanji used is for planet.
Furthermore again sengoku would not exaggerate his power to his men as this would do nothing and work against him as it would do the opposite of encouraging his men. Also source of the statement sengoku is from whitebeards era and knows whitebeards power from his prime very well.
Old whitebeard was multi continental there are plenty scans that prove it and one piece wiki has him there. He also held back at marineford not to kill his crew.
So whitebeard has to be stronger in his prime given the fact he was diseased at the age of 70 and cant use haki and was multi continental. As I said conquerors could be used to buff attacks and haki is even superior to devil fruits with conquerors being the strongest type and we saw him rival roger in just conquerors haki and they almost destroyed the island and they were not going all out as they were freinds and hist having fun and whitebeard never even used his devil fruit. If hes multi continental in age and disease what is he without this? Still the same I dont think so lol. You have to remember even prime whitebeard would be stronger than old whitebeard with devil fruit alone let alone haki.
Even don chinjao was able to split at continent and he is coming nowhere near the top powers in one piece. Also the 'debunks' people use for that are not debunks. You can clearly see in the manga image he split it and tools has no effect breaking it or even scratching it so the idea that it being ice makes it weaker is not correct at all. The only way to break it was to apply so much force you can break it all once. That's continental attack potency right there.
And yes akainu can wipe out a continent in a fist. His devil fruit is actually stated to have the highest offensive power in one piece. You got to remember that a gear 4 luffy back in dressrossa so no advanced conquerors that he has now, ryuo or gear 5 was able to punch doflamingo so hard into the ground he destroyed most of the island and split it straight open. His fist never even hit the ground as well. This is not even island level this is low country level as dressrossa is small country sized. And this luffy was nowhere close to admiral level, let alone the strongest one. Akainu is continental level at the very least, u would say higher though but that's my opinion and besides the point of this comment so you can ignore this but im just giving an idea.
Also I'm merely applying logic to a statement we have. This is all logical and good evidence. A character does not always have to break a planet to be planetary. With all this whitebeard can be scaled to be planet level, you can say no feats to prove it and that's fine but I think we both know the likely hood based on what I said is very likely and your not changing my mind simply because of not enough evidence when I've already said all my reasons. A prime whitebeard is planet level and could be higher that is my opinion.
@@euwee8701 You are pointing out and re-itterating a lot of information I'm already aware of. I've been studying One Piece for years. So let's go ahead and push all that aside.
Here's the hard facts. I've explain in TH-cam threads already that I do believe whitebeard is a continental and global threat. He is a threat to the world. Sengoku's statement has truth to it, but being a threat to the world isn't the same as being a "planet buster". PLEASE READ MY EXPLANATION.
For example in real life if Nuclear war broke out it would destroy the world (as we know it). Billions of people would die and the world as we know it would be destroyed (changed to a point of no return to what it once was). Whitebeard could accomplish this over time especially on a planet with so much water given he can casually generate massive sea quakes.
However
He will not take out a single continent or multiple with one punch. You try to claim that even oldbeard could when age didn't effect his df powers, it effected his haki. His enraged most dangerous quake in all of marineford only managed to destroy half of marineford itself which is only the size of a typical island. Are you going to address these facts or gloss over them without evidence?
@@euwee8701 If you honestly imagine or believe that prime whitebeard can literally hit Asia or America and wipe it out of existence, or earth and wipe it out of existence, I simply have to believe that you are a fool that doesn't listen to logic or reason and you are caught in your own fantastical idea of Whitebeard and his strength for your own enjoyment. Arguing with you would be pointless and I won't bother replying.
I'd like to know why you think the one piece world is bigger than our own.
It have 9+ moons... the one piece world have 20 million + islands ... the difference of small river from arabasta Was 50km wide
"continent" ya'll forget the only continent is the red line everything else on the planet is just an island 💀
Also whitebeard can't use haki with his df, because of the nature of his fruit 🤦♂
@@infinity2394 ye but old whitebeard was not planet evelnthough he was multi continental so its safe to assume the statement is true as a whitebeard with no haki was this level and conquerors haki has destructive power of its own so we can definitely say he's planetary. He could combine his devil fruit with it creating planet level attacks. Also take into account with the fruit alone prime whitebeard would be stronger with just that than old whitebeard was and that's without haki. armament haki s well can buff attacks and he could not use this at marine ford because of his sage of and disease . prime whitebeard with a non serious clash with roger literally almost destroyed an island and he never used his fruit. Prime whitebeard with Armament and conquerors and stronger with devil fruit alone would definitely be planetary. The statement is true i don't care what anyone says. Also there is no reason for it to be an exaggeration when the marines are literally away to face him and it would scare his men. Whitebeard is planetary period. And yes he can use haki there is nothing to suggest he cant with his fruit what?
@@euwee8701 he didn't use his fruit because the shockwaves his fruit creates can't be infused with haki only devil fruits with material particles not energy particles can be infused with haki for example ace cannot coat his fire with armament haki nor can sabo, but akainu can coat his magma with armament haki that is ultimately why akainu's fruit is better not because it's hotter than fire but because he can coat it with haki (fire is waaaaay hotter than magma trust search it up if you don't believe me.) Also whitebeard isn't multicontinental he can affect the sea's with his fruit yes but he isn't obliterating multiple continents if I was to infer I'd say whitebeard at full power might be able to destroy 35% of greenland which is the largest island in the world. it will affect the sea's without a doubt (if you have haki u can just stop the shockwaves from going that far it doesn't even matter if your haki is waaaay weaker than whitebeards since he can't coat the shockwaves with haki ) so whitebeard will affect the sea change the tides cause minor or major tsunami's here and there based on the nature of his fruit, but he isn't planetary he's just harming a bunch of people in different places without even needing to be near those places that are getting effected.
@@infinity2394And when is this stated? I searched numerous times found absolutely nothing and I searched alot. I actually found the direct opposite and snd found a reddit thread with someone asking this question and it was the opposite of what your saying.
Also luffy literally mimics aces red hawk, it is literally aces attack and he can use armament haki with it lol. Your literally making shit up or guessing. Whitebeards fruit is shockwaves, advanced conquerors haki is also shockwaves. It would literally just create a stronger attack.
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Also as for whitebeard not being planet level :
This is a copy and paste comment so if things dont make sense of what I'm saying its because was replying to someone else. Also for whitebeard being multi continental, one piece wiki has him there and you can find scans that prove it.
We have a statement that cant be proven to be not true. Yes statements are not always true and I'll give an example. ' the 9 tails has the power to turn the world to ashe'. This statement is a debunkable statement as the Japanese kanji used is for ' society' so meaning just civilisation itself not the planet.
Now does this apply to whitebeard statement? No the kanji used is for planet.
Furthermore again sengoku would not exaggerate his power to his men as this would do nothing and work against him as it would do the opposite of encouraging his men. Also source of the statement sengoku is from whitebeards era and knows whitebeards power from his prime very well.
Old whitebeard was multi continental there are plenty scans that prove it and one piece wiki has him there. He also held back at marineford not to kill his crew.
So whitebeard has to be stronger in his prime given the fact he was diseased at the age of 70 and cant use haki and was multi continental. As I said conquerors could be used to buff attacks and haki is even superior to devil fruits with conquerors being the strongest type and we saw him rival roger in just conquerors haki and they almost destroyed the island and they were not going all out as they were freinds and hist having fun and whitebeard never even used his devil fruit. If hes multi continental in age and disease what is he without this? Still the same I dont think so lol. You have to remember even prime whitebeard would be stronger than old whitebeard with devil fruit alone let alone haki.
Even don chinjao was able to split at continent and he is coming nowhere near the top powers in one piece. Also the 'debunks' people use for that are not debunks. You can clearly see in the manga image he split it and tools has no effect breaking it or even scratching it so the idea that it being ice makes it weaker is not correct at all. The only way to break it was to apply so much force you can break it all once. That's continental attack potency right there.
And yes akainu can wipe out a continent in a fist. His devil fruit is actually stated to have the highest offensive power in one piece. You got to remember that a gear 4 luffy back in dressrossa so no advanced conquerors that he has now, ryuo or gear 5 was able to punch doflamingo so hard into the ground he destroyed most of the island and split it straight open. His fist never even hit the ground as well. This is not even island level this is low country level as dressrossa is small country sized. And this luffy was nowhere close to admiral level, let alone the strongest one. Akainu is continental level at the very least, u would say higher though but that's my opinion and besides the point of this comment so you can ignore this but im just giving an idea.
Also I'm merely applying logic to a statement we have. This is all logical and good evidence. A character does not always have to break a planet to be planetary. With all this whitebeard can be scaled to be planet level, you can say no feats to prove it and that's fine but I think we both know the likely hood based on what I said is very likely and your not changing my mind simply because of not enough evidence when I've already said all my reasons. A prime whitebeard is planet level and could be higher that is my opinion.
you fucked up when you said the pills grow power exponentially instead of linearly
Even if you skip that statements.... he is still planetary+... and also this video was made before gear 5
This video is absolutely cringe lmao he just calc stacked off of the energy steroid ☠️☠️☠️ so bad he got to 1 billion times stronger like does that even sound like solid logic in terms of power scaling to you ?
how would you calc the pills then
@@cortiz8726 you don’t you calc characters actual feats or scaling to characters with good feats it’s pretty simple I’m not against multipliers like with Gear 2 and 4 but calc stacking is toxic and has been shown to be inconsistent multiple times
Even without the hody bit his point still stands with the don chinjao shit
@@akane_2247 you clearly not reading bc no his point dosent stand shit bro this video and this guy in particular calc stacks with no shame and says he’s going with the lowest estimate. calc stacking its self is not inherently bad if you’re trying to scale in series and fill in the blanks of some unquantifiable increases but the way this man does it is absolutely toxic and cringe and why the once piece power scaling community hasn’t taken off like the dragon ball and Naruto scaling community’s just take characters feats for what they are and apply a lil head cannon when necessary if you wanna make a video but all these scales this guy comes up with are literally invalid in a vs debate and again he already had to calc stack with no shame to get these results when Luffy in dresroasa was already Multi Continental Lmao like one piece characters have crazy feats no need to wank the fuck out of them when they’re feats are already better then series like dragon ball or Naruto when they were at the same point in their own story’s that’s a little Ranty but hope it makes sense if not im not gonna ask you to agree with me
@Uday Joshi nah you have no idea what you’re talking ab
All of these guys are clearly Naruto fans boys, also the last dude saying naruto can just speed blitz Luffy and punch to death is clearly being biased. Luffy’s Mika Mika fruit makes him invulnerable to blunt attacks like punches, so no naruto can’t just punch Luffy to death
He is not invulnerable to blunt attacks but he is highly resistant to physical attacks so in Naruto Cherecters way more High scaling so Luffy probably loses