DDR2 Has Been DEAD For Years... Still Worth it?
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DDR2 has been unsupported for years now... but with the comparatively high prices, I had to wonder... am I missing out? Or are they just overpriced?
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I believe another part of the reason why this DDR2 era stuff is getting expensive is because its starting to see itself lumped in with the "muh vintage gaming!!! retro hardware!!!" era of things. A lot of people are wanting to make dream systems from that era (I mean hey, myself included!) so we can run our games that, at that time, we had to patiently endure at 800x600 30FPS, but now we can run them at max settings and high resolutions to fill in some stupid void that we have :)
Nostalgia's one hell of a drug
This! Saw DDR2 memory sticks online for $95! I want a retro 16gb ram ddr2 system for sure!
@@strawberrysherbet96 Those are just RAM sticks. 💀 $95+ could get a whole computer at that point.
I have some DDR2 at 1200 Mhz , pretty sure that is the fastest .
the fastest ddr2 was 1333 only a few sticks were made but it was so late in the game it was quickly phased so good luck getting it lol
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The world record overclock for DDR2 is over 1800 MHz
@@CryptoJordanVR true but that was from overclocking i think
@@CryptoJordanVR i have some rare 4gb ddr2 sticks :)
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i use a core2duo thinkpad x200 pretty regularly, it's amazing how capable these old machines are with maxed ram and an ssd
hi, how much ram is the max? I do have 4gb and it really struggles with windows 11. Also is that ddr2 or 3? (i know some models had one or the other).
@@picchioknossus8096 ddr3, 4gb is the official max but 8gb apparently works.
There are laptops that have Core2Duo that run DDR2 and some newer Core2Duos that run DDR3. Many of the Core2Duo laptops will max out at 8GB of RAM. I lug around a late 2009 MacBook that has a Core2Duo, 8GB RAM and an SSD. If it gets dropped, smashed, scratched, stolen, lost, then it's "whatever". Everything on the SSD is backed up to a cloud. It's nice having a laptop that I don't have to be concerned with something bad happening to it. The only thing I'd want out of it would be the RAM sticks to put into another "whatever" laptop.
@@ArmadurapersonalThat's what Apple had said about the late 2009 MacBook, but Intel's documentation showed that the Core2Duo could handle up to 8GB. So in 2014 when my parents upgraded their MacBook to 8GB, they had to take the word of PC tech over Apple. So if you're wondering, check out Intel's documentation via a web search. But compatibility doesn't end there. Manufacturer's BIOS/UEFI must support more RAM as well.
@@HWandW seems like 2x4GB PC3-8500 should work. Haven't tried, I use mostly terminal apps or a single webpage open and haven't felt the need to upgrade to 8GB yet.
I'm in my mid 30s. I feel a lot of sentimental feelings towards this era of hardware as I probably did most of my gaming during this time period.
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That sounds hard, can you clarify?
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This is a situation where a version of windows called ltsc would help a lot with that cpu usage
Or just avoid Windows 10 altogether and go with a period-correct OS.
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@@FlyboyHelosim it runs at like 1% cpu utilization on my 4570 while running a browser. I figure it would run this perfectly fine
I'm not a big gamer so an appropriate DDR2 system works fine for every day use. An Optiplex 745 with 8 gigs of fast DDR2, fully updated BIOS and a Q6600 is just fine for puttering around on the Internet. Of course, I run Linux (either Xubuntu or Mint) so I'm working with an OS with less bloat in it.
Even a Core2Duo E8400 is fine for windows 11 and normal tasks given you throw in an SSD and 4/8GB ram
I sold a Optiplex 745 that originally had a e5700. Upgraded it to a low power Q6600 stepping chip handy, 8gb of ddr2 800mhz, A 1gb Geforce 710 free, and an Audigy 4, plus a free wifi card. Easy $75 off of some old parts, and the guy was really happy to have a quiet, straight forward Windows 10 PC. The latest bios is really nice, and boot times are fast.
@@9852323 so many of us still squeezing life out of these machines because they have just enough capability with a few new parts. one ssd maybe an extra stick or two of ram and good to go . power supply if you were feeling frisky . maybe not daily drivers but extras .
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Had a 1090T + 1600Mhz DDR3 with 650ti boost. Ran 4k video and games flawless. Over a decade ago!
The 1090T had a better architecture than Bulldozer but on a 45nm versus the bulldozers 32.
Much like how the Core 2 chips are descendants of the Pentium III, the modern Ryzen chips are descendants of the Phenom II chips and not Bulldozer
@@TheLucidDreamer12
Nope.
Ryzen has nothing in common with Phenom II, except for maybe the instruction sets.
Ryzen is an entirely new core with new interconnect design.
I refurbish old computers as a personal hobby. I recently pulled an old Dell Inspiron from 2008-2009 out of my mom's garage. I had no idea what to expect. I was not expecting 2 1GB sticks of DDR2.
I was expecting less than that lol. Also it had a Radeon HD 4350, also equally not great
Geforce or Quadro old as 8000 series (even as crappy as 256mb 8400) can run TH-cam/1080p video and older games no problem with older Windows 10 drivers. AMD cards HD 5000 series-6000 has limited but working Windows 10 drivers. HD 7000+ is much better and almost modern driver support wise. 4gb-8gb of ram and a cheap SSD, quad core CPU and you have a pretty solid Linux-Windows 10 machine.
Ah, good times. I remember buying a Phenom II 945 BE in 2008-ish, paired with 4gb ddr2 and a HD4870 2GB just to be able to run GTA IV. That machine saw a lot of action, got upgraded to its limits and is currently still running (very) light office tasks somewhere underneath one of the surplus workspaces no one ever uses in my office 😊
I remember paying almost $350 for a 1.2 Gig hard drive... and $250 for a 16 Meg ATI All in Wonder card... Those were the days. Ram was like 4 Meg was huge. Those were the days. As long as it played Doom and/or Quake you were golden.
Realistically, you're not going to be running Windows 10 and modern games on a DDR2 era system. You'd buy it absolutely to replace parts in, or even build from scratch, a retro system.
I found a ODD DDR2 PC on TRASH, the pc had a xeon e 3450, 6GB DDR2 667MHz and the most odd part was the fact the PC camr with a 480 GB SSD with 100% Health and a GT 1030 and the last two parts work.
I was using a Q6600 BSEL'd to 3GHz with 8GB of gamer DDR2-800 and an ATI 5770 as a daily up until last May. It's fun getting games to run alright on that old hunk; battlefield 4 was very playable after some effort. Minecraft was also fantastic with performance mods when playing on a server; modern world generation was a bit too taxing to be smooth, but hey, just put that on another computer. I do intend to upgrade this system to a yorkfield xeon sometime still, and to use it for other light tasks, like maybe a drawing desk computer or a CNC controller.
Edit: also, dolphin ran better for me than for you and I'm not entirely sure why. I even ran breath of the wild on cemu on the thing, and that was back when it was running 2.4ghz with 6gb of ddr2-667 and a spinning disk. I've got a video of that on my channel from early 2020 if you'd like to behold it. It was not playable but it sure was fun.
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To fix that erorr you would have to;
When it asks "Where do you want to install windows?"
Press Shift+F10 and command prompt will open.
Click within the command prompt window, and type "diskpart" and then
list disk.
select disk numberhere
clean
and one completed type exit in the command prompt window.
And then head to the "Where do you want to install windows?"
Click refresh.
And then click "new".
and after going thru that hit "Next" and Windows will begin to install.
Hope this message appears and helps you as the problem isn't your install media and it's the way the hard disk drive was setup and has to be dealt with using diskpart.
even the the old gen quad core cpus are still useful. I brought new life to a system that previously had dual core i3.
I am in current possesion of a dell XPS 630i system with a core 2 quad extreme using DDR2. It was supposed to be a very cool video about old school gaming hardware. Unfortunately, trying to use it was painful. It is still on the shelf, so we will see what happens in the future.
That sounds really cool! I would try and throw a really lightweight Linux distro on it and see how it goes
A possible issue that i've run into before, and based on your video footage of it, windows may not want to install to an existing partition, delete the partition, click the unpartitioned space as where you want to install and hit next, do not hit new.
@aChair Leg the windows issue is something i have come accros myself, to fix it you need to clean the drive. in the windows usb booted press shift + f10 and type diskpart. list disk. select disk . clean. than go back and install windows normally. i dont know why windows ( even 10 and 11) cant figure this out but hopefully this helps
For windows 11 it won't install on a pre 2.0 TCPM chip system without registry hacks.
My therory these system are realy great for late windows XP - early windows 7 retro gaming ! Personnaly, i have one core 2 duo and one core 2 quad system for windows xp. Plus you add the fact the motherboard are rarer and you have a market pushing a bit pricy price tag for old tech !
That's very true! I bet C&C would run great on these haha
I bought the same ram config for only 18 bucks. All i need is a gpu now. And maybe some 2007 accessories to go with my equally old pc...
This would run like new if you were using Debian with XFCE
Or antix. It's essentially Debian but lighter yet has more stuff for day to day use. I use it on my powerful main PC as well as on my weak Celeron N3060 laptop, and both work well.
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I love antix in concept, but not having systemd makes things a little clunky. SOOOO much stuff just expects systemd!! It makes setting stuff up a royal pain sometimes.
@@harpskid I found some issues with that, yeah, but the vast majority of what I do does not need systemd, so I'm fine.
Maybe probably someone might have forgotten to benchmark the an OC C2D E7500. Just maybe.
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To improve speeds on older systems especially with spinning rust; disable sysmain and windows search in services and prefetch and superfetch in the registry. The improvements are astounding
Thanks for jumping down the rabbit hole so we don't have too. ;). If anything this was a good way to see how far we have come with hardware. I started with the Sinclair ZX80 with 1k of memory. Talk about a dinosaur! New subscriber. ❤
grab a 1075t phenom 2 and watch it is soooo much better
I've had the exact same thing as you've been telling about at the end.
In small business I operate, there's no need to upgrade the whole platform for the storage server and a simple website hosted locally. It runs on some old Core 2 Quad, 8 gigs of RAM and... that's it. Works well enough at 1GbE, so why bother upgrading it further than the CPU?
I've recently replaced only the CPU in that system. I believe it was from Core 2 Duo E8300 to Core 2 Quad q9500. And I believe this will rock for the next couple of years. And if it won't, well, I have some 775 motherboards lying around, I can just plop that in there and call it a day.
When replacing the CPU, I was amazed with how... expensive these ancient chips are. 35 bucks for a 14 year old chip? I can get something like Ryzen 1600 for that price. But then I have to make the effort of replacing basically the whole platform... which isn't economical for the use case at this point.
I forget how old the Core 2 era is sometimes.
I was using a core2quad with 8 gigs of ddr2 up until 2020 with no issues. That system with a 760ti and ssd played basic games and psx/gamecube emulators great
That pagefile must be doing god's work - honestly instead of buying DDR2 RAM at this point, it's almost worth considering some way of perhaps using PCIe Gen 4 SSDs at this point. We're talking same peak transfer rates lmao
I have a laptop from 2007 an optiplex from 2009, 2 2008 GPUs and a 2007 monitor. Neither of the computers work and the monitor has a plethora of issues but old tech is cool even if Im just hoarding broken stuff
I recently picked up a pc with a q6600 and 4gb ddr2 for free. I also put a quadro 600 in it which i got from another system. I think these old systems are great fun to play around with if u get them for free or very little money
I have 2 old machines packed in boxes. One is a Dell GTX 520 with an Intel Pentium 4 with hyperthreading 3.40GHZ and 4GB of DDR2 with Windows 7. The other is also a Windows XP Dell with IIRC an Intel Celeron D 330 running at 2.66 GHZ and 2GB of DDR. I don't know why I keep them maybe deeply embedded sentimental reasons I may need counseling for but if the prices keep going up I'll sell them. I was forced to upgrade to 64 bit stuff and when I got a "new" used Dell T3620 with an I5-6500 I really noticed what I was missing and that set me off. I have like 8 PC's that I have learned to take apart and upgrade and possibly flip. I even discovered PC gaming at 61 years old and a new hobby and channels like this have been very helpful.
I'm on a minimalist kick at work (see zero budget). I've loaded on a "OLD"
Dell D530, the new linux mint 21.3; scrounged up 4 Gb of DDR 2; 120 GB SSD; WIFI is important. We just need to be portable on the campus network and view PDF files. Working my way thru the config setups and "mounting "drives" has been challenging.
The fact you say Phenom the way you do makes me feel so old 😢
Butchered the pronunciation lol
I've got a set of OCZ Platinum 4GB DDR2 udimms.
16GB on my Q9550 retro-ish system.
WOAH I WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT ONE OF THOSE, MY DAD HAD ONE IN HIS IT OFFICE AND ALWAYS WANTED ONE, ONE OF those server z400 things
Currently got a MacBook from late 2007 to ise as a DVD player. Stock would've had 1 or 2GB of RAM, but mine was upgraded to 4GB.
It is weird. You can still find stuff like this in the dumpster from time to time but they are already charging vintage prices for it on eBay. I could have done this test with random hardware I have in a box somewhere that I got for free.
You could run something like a RX580 with an overclocked C2Q and it wouldn't be horribly bottlenecked. I have a board that can do this and uses DDR2. I believe . My C2Q Windows 7 gaming rig is an Optiplex 780 with a tape modded Q6600 and it uses DDR3. It is super picky about RAM because it is a very early DDR3 system and I could only get 6GB running from what I had on hand. But that is plenty for what it does.
I'm currently trying to sell a budget gaming rig but it looks like it might not sell. If not, I'll try out the 1650 in it with my overclocked C2Q. I'd like to try with 16GB RAM but that's about $90 worth of RAM because 4GB DDR sticks are rare. It wouldn't be my first time running Windows 10 on a LGA775 DDR2 system because I did that a couple of years ago with one of my other old Optiplex PCs and a P4 HT. It actually worked. You can pretty much only do one thing at a time but it runs.
Unfortunately, there is a flaw in your methodology. You should have normalized the CPU benchmark performance across the board with some tuning. The 2011 framerate has a lot more to do with the much higher single thread score than the RAM. If you got one of those hacked Machinist boards, you could turn off all but 4 cores and HT, as well as do a FSB underclock until the single thread score equaled that of the LGA 775 CPU. Passmark is free and still works great for CPUs, though GPU results have to be taken with a grain of salt because they are testing DX9 and DX10 too, which a lot of newer GPUs don't do very well, making the latest couple of generations look weaker than they really are.
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I had that weird issue before, turns out the drive that you're going to install Windows has to be in [Hard Drive BBS Properties] and [Boot Option Priorities]. Most importantly, it needs to be in MBR instead of GPT.(Shift + F10 and use diskpart to see if it's in MBR)
Gaming is one of those things that drives CPU innovation, so yes, that was always going to be comical on machines this old. If anything is going to be first in line to use new instructions to boost performance, it's going to be a first-person shooter.
However, the tail-end of the Core2 era is still usable if all you want is a web browser or word processor. I have my father's old Dell Inspiron 1720 from 2008, and over the years (when parts were incredibly cheap), upgraded it to a T9500, 6GB of DDR2 RAM, and a pair of Samsung 870 EVO SSDs. It is presently running Windows 10, and after going through and cutting out extraneous services, it runs pretty well. I wouldn't daily drive it, but if it were my only computer, it would be fine. I still use it as a "test workstation" in my home lab.
I wouldn't *BUY* a system that old, but if you have one lying around, they aren't entirely useless yet.
Wish I still had some ddr2 lying around, need it for an Atom build
Strange, i recently put together an Intel i5-4670k system with 16gb ddr3, GTX780ti, Asrock Z87 Extreme4 MB, all in a nice PowerMac G4 case i converted to use ATX hardware and i've got it running both Windows 10 and Mac OSX Ventura with none of the issues you mention.
Being able to run a multiboot 98se, XP, Vista, and/or 7 pc with Core2Duo or Core2Quad/Xeon (Disable 3 cores for 98, and 2 for xp) with overclocking and a xfi or audigy 2zx for that hardware excellerated EAX audio.
You gain DirectX 10 with Vista, but lose true hardware excelerated audiocard support (cue Alchemy software).
I see alot of tests using old hardware, new versions of old games, on new os's... You gotta run the old 32 bit versions with the overkill hardware, and on a 32 bit os
I have an AM2 system with Phenom II x4 960T and 16GB of DDR2. Yep, DDR2, not DDR3. While it is just 800MHz and definitely outdated, but it's still 16GB, which is a ton for DDR2. Works just fine for plenty of things, though I had to mix the sticks around to get them all to work together since I didn't buy them in one kit of 4 by 4GB.
Speaking to those hopeful to get 16GB of DDR2 on LGA 775 - you can't. The best you can get for LGA 775 is 8GB of DDR2.
AMD always nicer to customers
@@gabrielecarbone8235yeah. Most intel boards of the time only support maybe a maximum of 4GB, 8GB if you're lucky. While plenty of AMD boards support 8GB or even 16GB like in my case. Before learning that, I didn't even know there were 4GB DDR2 sticks in the first place.
ddr3 still holds up fine. What's really funny is I never used ddr4. I ran a ddr3 machine with a 4790k and that processor was so good and is still decent, that I skipped the entire generation of ram and went straight to ddr5.
What is great about these machines is they started having PCI-E gen one ... so you can use an M.2 in that slot (not the fastest ones because you won't benefit from the extra speed, but still much faster than the SSDs).
Some of the best CPU's for those motherboards are pretty cheap (~$20-$30 and have 4 or more cores).
In most cases those CPU's can support up to 8GB of RAM. 1024 mhz is pretty decent speed, most mobile phones don't have much more than that. Even most tablets don't have more than 2GB or 4GB of RAM.
These PC's are great for regular office work. They can even serve well in software development in many cases.
They will outshine entry level modern laptops for just a fraction of the price.
Even in home, they would be great for watching videos, browsing, chats etc. (basic web usage), and also they would be great for all the games that were published at their time and specially before.
So they would be great if you have a friend and would want to play a VS or a CO-OP session in Red Alert 2, Age of Empires 2, Quake 3, Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Heroes of Might and Magic 3/4/5 ... many many others even more modern games than those would work great.
And finally, you can use them as home servers ... you can serve data or small websites.
For such a price ... it's a shame to throw them away ... at least they could be donated and restored to be given to families that do not have a PC at all.
Have you disabled virtualization, power saving, and cool and quiet features? To this day I still daily drive a 1090t with 8gb of ram. Disabling some features really stabilizes performance. Older single core games go from 20-30fps to 120-180fps, more modern games between 50-80fps. The difference is massive. Fortnite for example ran at 80-85 with some dips and I locked it at 75fps to keep it smooth. Cities Skylines is mostly single threaded but keeps above 30fps. Even non games like Excel or Chrome ran way smoother with the mentioned features disabled. Yes the system shows it's age, but it puts a hell of a fight. I even dare to do video editing (although the actual rendering in 4k takes a very long time and 20-30gb of swap).
Ahhh that's crazy! I'm really considering doing a second video on these
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Not posting nor getting into the BIOS usually involves the CMOS battery, in my experience.
Retro builds are influence on the higher prices too Phenom and Core2 are popular options for XP systems or even Vista.
The biggest concern is the operations which these chips cannot do for DX12/Vulkan/openGL libraries. This is why you might get stuttering
Renewed a HP Pavilliobpn A6400 from 2008. Stuck in a modified LGA775 Xeon CPU and 8GB DDR2. No problem of watching TH-cam.
I have 16GB DDR2 in my current dual CPU E5 2667 V4 rig. It's in a RAM drive and pretty much saturates the SATAII connection it's attached to.
I have a 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 server with 28 gigs of ddr2 ecc 800 ram and I still use it as my Minecraft server, works great
re: not seeing drive during windows install: get storage drivers from mobo manufacturer and drop the folder in the installer USB. Then load the driver during installation pointing to the folder where you copied it
Once you go DDR2 you're getting to get into parts that are starting to become collectors items, along with low supply of DDR2 as you say. That's why it costs so much more. Hold onto those CPUs if you haven't got rid of them already.
Some systems just don't allow windows to install from thumb sticks. It's best to use a DVD in these cases.
You can install old OS and applications offline, use is as simple word processor, programing or photo editing using old software or open source free one.
I still have my old Phenom II/DDR3 system parts lying around.... My work PC STILL has my old ATI 4870 512MB card, that I used to run in crossfire with its twin... almost a decade ago.
Man, I'm watching this video on Core 2 Quad Q9300 engineering sample OC to 3.0GHz. 8GB of DDR2. Talk about e-waste 😅
As for not being able to install fresh OS to SSD. Did you clear your SSD completely? It needs to be clear(empty) as new drive. You can do that by wiping the ssd. Execute Secure Erase command on that drive. OR, you can clear your drive of any previous formatting by going to Diskpart: commands are as follows. List Disk -> Select Disk * (where * is your drive number!) -> Clean.
I bought an old, dusty 2009 emachines tower from an old friend. I was stupified it all worked after i cleaned everything off.
DDR2 is great. I have a old quadcore and i have crammed the motherboard full to 16gb DDR2 333mhz that was lying around and just happened to be of same speed but from different sources. Old and obsolete otherwise but works wonders in this use. I have also added old HDD disks so the machine in the living room acts as a the backup machine for all machines elsewhere in the house. it has backup sync software that periodicaly tests if other machines are online and if so attempts to mirror the contents from certain folders from the to those big HDD disks. And since i have several it is easy to make backups of backups too so all in all my files are pretty secure except fire (and even then i would have some stuff in the cloud).
Using the machine itself is great now. Several browsers can be open, steam games and gamepads attached and big TV since it's living room HTPC machine. I will likely exchange the quadcore some day with the oldest whatever i get from somewhere else but at the moment it works really well.
There's ALOT of industrial equipment that uses ddr2 or even older systems, while it doesn't make sense to the ordinary consumer there's actually a market for old hardware like this. Imagine you have a 250 000$ industrial machine controlled by a ddr2 phenom system, which fails because the motherboard degraded and shorted out. It is way cheaper to replace the motherboard even if the "price" is higher than newer stuff, simply because the other option is to replace the whole 250 000$ unit.
Very true, businesses can rly drive up the price of old hardware
it's still usable. i know someone still using DDR1 on their main computer. she only uses to open email and print.
Trying to install off a usb was the problem. Its a solid xp x64 system.
Could be a usb stick support thing... old computers used to install from CDROM so USB boot was flakey at best... just pop in a CDROM and window install disk to try and install from there...
i have two running systems on ddr2 . useful for youtube and long term storage box.. 3 cpus for use as well. 1.6 ghz 2 core celeron , single core 3.0 ghz pentium d and an E 8600 at 3.3 ghz. The other one is AMD socket AM2 which also had similar phenoms and dual cores. Phenom 265 4 thread at 2.8 ghz and the dual core "something" 6400+ at 3.4 -.6 ghz, honestly don't remember . All old office machines that were in different hands , they hold up great with 8 ish GB of Ram and sata ssd . A gpu less than 4 generations old can run esports titles and many many lighter needs. Preferring dual cores over the quad cores for this generation , I have fun and maintain storage backups. Games that are 5 + years old were still made for dual cores and most don't need modern cpu cache to run at 60 fps. Really its a 30 -60 fps experience with the best components.
I am using amd x3 phonei processor with 4gb ram.. clock speed 2.1ghz.. work fine many years no issues only one time power supply change..i dont even knew which year i buy.. may be its working 13 year.. more then
Are you sure winblows wasnt downloading and installing updates on the backround?
With new install, w10/w11 is constantly downloading and installing updates in the backround.
With fast ssd and internet, it will make the slow cpu the bottleneck and slam it to 100%.
Whenever you are testing system with old cpu's, do not connect them to internet, or let them sit for few hours so that they have installed all the updates they want.
Idk what was with your minecraft, i tested athlon 3400+ s754 ddr1 system with mc 1.7.10 (last that supports the cpu) and i got around 70fps with vanilla minecraft.
BUT i played on a server so all the chunk generating etc was handled by the server, but still phenom 2 x4 should be more than enough.
Also for phenom2, you should "overclock" it with 250mhz Bclk, but keep the multiplier lower so that the system runs stock.
The larger bus will increase the performance around 20%! then you can increase the mp so the cpu runs at 3.8-4ghz.
I had phenom2 955be on ddr3 motherboard back in the day, with watercooling i got it to ran at 4450mhz and it was awesome
Nah it was done updating. I have big fps drops even on my 3700x when playing vanilla single-player. But when you're sitting at 300fps a drop to 200 isn't really noticeable
I play gta 5 on Intel q9400 and 8 gb of ddr2 ram on 800 Mhz and Saphire Radon 9750 with 3 gb on 392 bit with no problem,and also rollplay,and Minecraft on 60 GPS with Asus mothrrboard.
Try it with a lightweight Linux system. Might also circumvent the weird Windows issues.
Still using a phenom ddr2 system and equivalent Mac mini Intel … the SSD saved it so meh, keep using … about due for a third deep clean at year 10.
Im on an old system, i7 3770k running at 4.5ghz with 16gb DDR3 and an RX570 8gb GPU
i never noticed any performance difference from ddr2 or ddr4. I dont test fps or anything like that though
I recently got an old emachines sff PC to use as a parts PC (mostly the PSU), and it's got a celeron 450 (worse conroe with a single core)
If you limit your frame rate down to 30 maybe it will stop stuttering. Better to have a slower but smooth frame rate than a fast one with stuttering.
Thats very true. I think a light overclock could also really help with stuttering
DDR2 is that memory stays alive somehow
I literally bought ddr2 sodimm for my old laptop for 4 dollars .
It was a 2gb module on indian amazon
that's because you have low-end mobo with low-end chipsets instead of using P45 / X48 chipset would make big difference!
I have 2 machines with 16gb ddr3 and 8gb ddr2 all of them top specs and I play no games but I have battlefield 2 and F1 2014 which run at full spec!
Shoud i sell my DDR2 ram now or wait to became as oblosete as DDR1?
I am thinking about trying to find all the hardware I had on my second gaming PC but, for that price I'm probably sure it would be close to $1500-$2000 dollars. I built it for Voodoo graphics, ATI for the regular card, UWSCSI hard drives) set up in RAID 0. Slot A (AMD) from when Intel got sick of them doing better than them on the system they developed). 1st gen SDRAM clocked at 15 nanosecond (standard PC ram was 60 nanosecond and high end was 50 at the time) that the salesman at Fry's electronics said "that does not exist". At the cach register when they asked if I found everything I was looking for. I said no. Said what I was looking for. $300 later I had a single stick of something like 512 MEGAbytes of memory. It was playable at 1024x768 but at 800x600 it was awesome! About like Roblox on a Chromebook
Yes, there is more to it. There is software that only runs on these old machines. Some companies spend millions on it.
So, it's cheaper to just buy overpriced old used machines than migrating the software to newer systems.
Big plus to the AMD systems. You could install 16GB of ECC memory.
i used some parts i had l,aying around to build an i7 3770 system recently for taking to friends houses for lan and i think this is about as far back as you can go to run modern titles on a budget machine , ram was like 30 quid for 16 gig ddr3 wich came new in box (i didn't know you could still get new ddr3 ) if hadn't had a motherboard for it id have gone with an am4 and an apu but i also had a 750 ti i wasn't using and i figure when i upgrade my main rig it can have the 1060 in it , kinda wish i had more excuses to build with this older hardware as it is a lot of fun
$30 for 8gb of DDR2... Wow that's more expensive than DDR4! 8gb costs €20 here, and 16gb starts from €35, both including tax.
The fps low is very suspicious, there mau be something more goinh on. I have a Q9550 with DDR2 and I've havent had nearly as many issues, even with the Q6600.
If you have lots of ddr2 or
3 can be used in a pcie card for a ok ssd the card has a
Battery on board
Linux, man. That's the answer for running smoothly this old and still very usable machines.
Fun fact i still play on my top of the line 2013 system i7 4770k and gtx 780ti 🙃
DDR2 next?
I really think your gaming performance is hurt by the RX6600. If I remember correctly it is only a 4x pcie interface. In new machines this wouldn't be a problem with pcie GEN 4, but with older revisions of pcie........ There isn't enough bandwidth to supply the graphics card.
i mean most people i know own a old pc with ddr2 to play and use windows xp or older, and play older games native with out patches
I have q9550 with 16 gb ddr2 800 mhz without ssd and win 10 work perfect :)
I decided to try Trepang2 on my old quad FX (stock 3.5/3.8 boost) GPU is R9 360 2 gigs.. System ram 8gigs at 1600 I think..
Its playable.. not sure how...
Tech yes man did a vid on ddr2 system and why he stopped bothering with them, he had the same problem as you installing windows and did the same thing as you and just got a drive with windows already installed on it. Guess the CPU is just too old and missing some needed instruction.
good for win7 winxp so many games to play on this setup
There are other uses for computers other than windows gaming. I can't remember the last time I actually paid for a computer. People throw that stuff away. Even i3, i5 and i7's I have here complete systems with Linux and Batocera all totally free... mind you all ddr3... and all very usable machines. I mean I'm not going back to the days of 486's, ide and 1meg video cards with dial up modems but there are still lots of use for older machines. Just keep throwing them out and I'm all in... thx.
I get that the 6600 is nice. but why would you use a PCIe 4 x8 GPU? Especially since those are PCIe 2.0 systems. You're at best getting 1/4 of the expected bandwidth.
No ram is obsolete running linux
i have a old server that i bought it has 64 gb of ddr2 a xeon x5650 and it used to have a rx 580 but i upgraded it to a rx6600 is it a good pc?