For the longest time the immigration problem was limited to Texas and Texas pleas for help went ignored. Once Texas started busing them out, then did the rest of the country understand what an issue it was. It was a smart play by Abbott.
Gotta say I knew it was a problem before the bussing began. I value border states and the sovereignty a controlled border means. Also I could not figure out why if the USA government wanted an open border like the EU , there wasn’t any negotiation presented to the public that listed benefits and safety measures like travel without passport required or other conditions. What kind of open border policy is one way? That was just one tip of ice berg issue I had.
Of course Biden had a bill to fix the border issue in congress about a year ago, 3X the money for border agents and detention. The Republicans wouldn't pass it so they could browbeat the democrats with it in the election. People that could lead but only do things for their own benefit are scum. So there's that😊 15:05
Unlike 2017, this time around if any of these liberal mayors declare their cities as “Sanctuary Cities”, Abbott will send a bus load of migrants their way This Sanctuary City nonsense needs to stop, even Latinos aren’t on board with it
If you've been following this journalist's work for the past two years then you know that he's been traveling the country talking and listening to voters of all kinds. Even the first iteration of this Chicago trip included several Trump voters whom he spoke w/. I don't think that Harris voters are inherently clueless about why she lost. Your comment suggests that only people who voted for Trump (or whomever else) have any insight into why people voted for someone else. That doesn't follow. Harris voters might, for instance, have followed her campaign closely and thus may be particularly aware of her shortcomings. Many people who voted for Harris were less than pleased w/ parts of her platform, they were just more pleased than displeased, 51/49-- same w/ lots of Trump voters. I think what makes more sense to say is that if you want to know why people didn't vote for Harris that you should ask a broad cross-section of voters about why they made their choices, starting w/ Trump voters but not stopping there.
To be fair this podcast has talked to a lot of people who voted for Trump and asked them why -- has done an excellent job reporting on both sides of this.
I am African American and I am always amazed by the assessments of Black people. Why would you think that Arabs & Latinos just “don’t like Black people” when they both voted for Obama TWICE. Maybe the Arabs were actually concerned about their own people getting blown to shit. Maybe Hispanics were actually disgruntled with the economy. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t about YOU.
Precisely. You can’t buy food, pay medical bills, afford college, stem the flood of increasing costs with „joy.“ Joy was on offer by the establishment dems because it doesn’t force their bankrollers to contribute their fair share to a greater society. Joy appealed only to those who are doing well financially and thus are more concerned with issues such as decorum or cultural topics.
It's true but Dems can't do anything but fluff. They have to hide that they are there to support capitalism as much as the GOP is. It's where Kamala's word salads come into play too.
why didn't you ask the question of whether they would've preferred the populist side agenda with Bernie or the establishment side agenda with Hillary of the democrats in 2016? That is where the party died.
Democrats can't be populists without shedding the race hustlers, LGBTQ radicals, anti-capitalists and socialists. No one has done the math in the party where they can shed a loud 2% crazy and get 15% center because that loud 2% dominates funding and working head count of the party. You have to basically tell them to make their own party and write off their votes. They just stood there and let Trump own their best policies.
Standing up for the weak and the marginalized has historically been understood as a good thing. Conversely, promoting racism and xenophobia ("they're eating the dogs!") is typically understood as a bad thing.
@@deadeaded No! Good, was never about standing up for the weak and marginalized. But to stand up for what is right. Because according to this logic of "standing up for the weak and marginalized" we should stand up for the Nazis and any other evil group when they are losing.
Latinos are not part of the people of color movement started by black people to leverage into more political power. Latinos are not a voting block like black Americans. They are very much like white voters and vote like different white groups.
It's even crazier cuz they are trying to win a popularity contest. Like, what did you think all the rest of us thought about black women? Presidential ain't the first word that comes to mind....
Well for me, I don’t vote based on what someone looks like as my primary motivation. I think the Democratic Party is heavy focused on someone’s looks. And lose a lot because of this. And incite resentment from others because they elevate people based on how they look, which requires them putting down those that do not. Hmmm. Thinking out loud so to speak.
Trump ran on preserving white identity. He’s lucky dems opened up the boarder and the governor of Texas sent the migrants all over. Other wise blacks wouldn’t have boycotted the election and Latinos wouldn’t have voted for them.
I was not prepared for how conservative christian this would be. It felt like this conversation should have stayed off of the internet, so much bigotry. There doesn't seem to be any concern about what was important to other groups. "The collective" to them means that people support them but they don't have any care about what's important to others. To have the nerve to talk about the Horrors of America, but dismiss voters who are upset about the Biden admins handling of Gaza is so insulting.
I do find the obliviousness on gaza while talking about cross racial solidarity and blaming arab americans in mich8gan when the kamala campaign actively wagged a finger at their noses to spite them quite telling. Lot of talk of solidarity, but essentially boils down to identity and self interest.
I noticed that too. They are horrified of the idea of the civil rights coalition falling apart, correctly identify what issues matter to those groups and what the party needs to say, then..... blame those groups for breaking the coalition. You woulda got it if you looked in the mirror for two more seconds.
It’s interesting to listen to this family. They are part of their own echo chamber. And it’s good to hear from different echo chambers. They do talk as if they are in the 1960s. And that they were recently enslaved and oppressed. When none of them are. So it’s interesting.
I don’t think it’s naive to think she had a chance to win because she did but she blew it. If she can’t even ace an interview, why should people come out to vote for her?
When I hear criticism like this, it 100% supports my feelings that Kamala Harris was held to a much higher standard than Donald Trump....did you listen to any of his interviews? Do you feel he "aced" them or did he just ramble on incoherently not answering any questions effectively or cogently? Why does she have to be perfect while he gets to be an imbecile?
@@Katekilkenny People know him, he's been in the public eye for decades, and like him or not, he is authentic in his interactions, even too authentic. She doesn't have an authentic bone in her body, would clearly say anything to win, has twisted her policy views completely inside out in the last 5 years, and dropped out of the primary in 2020 before it even led to votes. Literally no one knows what she believes and she has not had sufficient exposure to the public, and what few unscripted interactions she had were not promising, she appears to be an empty suit except for abortion and "Trump is Hitler".
@ I couldn’t vote for him either but in my opinion, he’s better at speaking than she is. Even if he isn’t being authentic, he’s more convincing whereas with Kamala, it’s clear she’s not being genuine as she recites the same memorized lines in every interview. When Charlamagne from the breakfast club asked her about this in his interview with her, she replied with “it’s called being disciplined” laughing. Then Trump went on Rogan for a 3 hour interview/convo unrehearsed. 50 million views. Kamala went on Club Shay Shay rehearsed style interview with cue cards, didn’t really break into a conversation. Only was trying to desperately win the black male vote just like in her breakfast club interview and the “all the smoke” interview. You’re right though about Trump’s interviews. She’s just noticeably worse.
Yea. I’m a dem but Harris was the worst candidate in my lifetime. She spent the whole campaign lying, dodging questions, flip flopping on policies & trying to outflank Trump on the right on energy, border, etc 😂
Thank you so much for this--I learned so much from listening to your family. I wish we could have more of these kinds of honest conversations as a country.
And that is part of the problem. The left has refused to hold honest conversations over the last 3.5 years. Suppressing free speech when dissenting opinions arise on sensitive, contentious topics, including, if not especially, on social media platforms. Dems really underestimate how suppressing free speech catches people’s attention . ( they created a silent majority that they never heard from because they refused to listen to them) oh well 🤷🏾♀️
Ohhhh so sad! The better question is why might some of the opinions sounds Ike that? Or reflect that? The ones that observe that don’t care about the answer or they brush it off as “ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, oh they are just racist, identity politics (which may be a part of it)” . I have thoughts on why this 1960s sound is happening but it is very difficult to have that conversation over social media comments.
Levels of racial segregation are still at 1960s levels, and black white wealth inequality is higher now than in the 60s. Neoliberalism ushered in by reagan caused all of that, when he destabilized black neighborhoods by flooding them with guns and drugs.
I haven't listened to this yet, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this going to be yet another hard-hitting journalistic analysis from the NYT does not address decades of class divide, rampant income inequality, an unsustainable drop in purchasing power for the working class and the litany of Maslow's hierarchy of needs that financial solvency is required to address. No. Root-cause analysis be damned. My money is on poor campaign messaging, Biden dropping out too late, Kamala trying to cater to progressives and moderates, the economy being great but "feeling bad" for some Americans, Israel's war, yadda, yadda. Anything but what Sanders addressed on the Daily with (a very confused) Michael Barbaro. Call me out if I got this wrong please.
This was so discouraging to listen to. To hear them share with confidence simultaneously the views, "No, Democrats do nothing for us." and "We are so disappointed more people didn't vote for them." And, clearly they don't think about the collective if they can't understand why Palestinian Americans were not impressed with Trump but also were not impressed with Biden/Harris. So, that was just pure self-deception. Not to mention, one was quite honest about "I'm an HBCU graduate, she's an HBCU graduate. I'm a lawyer. She's a lawyer". And, yet...they've convinced themselves...we voted for Kamala Harris because we were thinking about everybody else. Nope. I can't stand Trump. But...this, nope.
You willingly nominate a weak candidate and then take it personally when you know in your heart of hearts she has flaws. Acknowledge the truth and don’t take someone else’s loses personally.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This is all so sad to hear. I am black and Latina, a millennial, and highly "educated." I sympathize with most of these views, even if I don't feel the same way myself about all of them.
I too am a highly educated Latina, & a dem. But the reality is that Dem policies are failing & are unpopular. It’s just the truth. Harris spent most of her campaign lying, flip flopping to try & outflank Trump on the right (on the border, energy, etc) & ran around campaigning with Liz Cheney. Our party needs new leadership & new policies. Look at our Dem-run cities. When I was a kid everyone was moving to the cities, now everyone is fleeing them.
@deadeaded but haven't Democrats specifically demonized rural people, and white men...I mean I hear shit talking about those two cuts on the electorate in the Democratic circles I work in.
@@deadeaded they are for sure demonizing an outgroup - people from vocational jobs, men (especially white men), people from rural areas and people who don't agree with them 100% on social issues (name calling and bullying them).
It’s quite racist towards Latinos & other demographics as well, & I’m sure you wouldn’t air a program of Latinos speaking this way about black Americans
Not sure what I took from this......I guess the message is that voters are underwhelmed by many aspects of today's Dems. And it's probably too early to say much more than that. But it's always a great listen, Astead. Thanks for your perspective and insightfully frustrated brand of journalism. And thanks for bringing us in to meet your family, happy thanksgiving.
What I took away was a bunch of people insisting on dividing everyone by race and then being surprised that caused division within their party and then doubling down on racial divides. Say what you will about the republicans but they welcome everyone into their tent as Americans first and foremost.
People are far too focused on race in America. It blinds everyone here, it’s bizarre. Talking about “the black man” as a voting issue, what does that even mean? What is a black policy? What is a black selling point? It’s a load of nonsense that only America suffers from. We can do plenty of analysis on redlining, school district funding and plenty of other issues that affect POC disproportionately but let’s be honest, nobody on this podcast was talking about that.
Facts. Im 17 minutes in and haven’t heard anyone at this so-called church ⛪️ mention that most of America wanted Roe v Wade overturned for moral reasons.
I'd also llke to interrogate the idea that voting from individual interest is always selfishness. The woman in Michigan that you interviewed wanted her job back because she loved working on cars but also because she wanted to work with addicts and she wanted to cultivate high quality adult relationships, neither of those things she could do when living in a state of financial insecurity. The idea of filling your own cup so you can serve othes better has gained traction and culture and it is not selfishness. It's not even mere survivalism -- although I do think survivalism played a large role in driving people to vote for Trump, I also think there's a sense that Democrats are not talking about prosperity at all for anyone other than the top 10%. It feels to me sometimes like I'm being pushed to live in a tiny house and take the handouts that Dems might throw me. That's not the life a lot of people want to live. They don't mind working hard, innovating, in exchange for a better lifestyle. In fact I think for a lot of Americans, if you take that away, they lose day-to-day motivation. I'm very sorry people feel that America's election of Trump is a rejection of them personally because I think the amount of people for whom that is true (people who voted to punish or hurt women and minorities) is very small. I think more people just want to see the country safe from foreign wars and return to a more prosperous time for all Americans. I live in a blue state so I didn't worry about Kamala Harris not winning in my state. I wrote in Michelle Obama because I so badly wanted to vote for a black woman but I just could not vote for Kamala Harris for all of the reasons and all the others that people are also talking about. It was a disasterous cycle for Democrats over and it probably is a good idea to take a step back and let people build up their individual lives so they hopefully will have more to bring to the political arena in a year or two. Right now it's just sadness. I feel it so hard, I cried through the whole episode. Thank you so much for your work ❤
I’m black and we have to accept the nation does not owe us anything, we owe it to ourselves to help us. We’ve been shackled to the democrat establishment for over 60 years and it has gotten us nowhere. This election proved other communities vote their interest as a collective, not familiarity or skin color
at around minute 23, the woman talks about the history of the democratic party. She is thinking that black people today care about the issues that the left cares about or the issues of prior generations. I am multi-racial. My father is black and my mother is white and was born in England. My main concern is the economy, my youngest daughter being in her first year of college, my girlfriend that works as a performer in the entertainment industry and her ability to work. Which is predicated upon people have disposable income. I do not care about safe spaces for people of color at elite colleges and ivy league schools. Black people are in the best position then they have ever been. They need to struggle like the Italians, Jews, and Irish that were marginalized. We don't need DEI, we need a better economy to be able to do it for ourselves. My father went to a segregate college in NC. My grandfather fought in a segregate army in WWII. To equate the racial and social causes today to the struggles of our families' prior generations is a disservice. These issues are important but not the priority to making things better for people of all colors.
On the topic of the Democrats supposedly needing to be less vocal about LGBTQ+ rights, my point of view as a member of the community was that Kamala Harris barely said anything about us. What I see way more of is Republican politicians and pundits talking about us and trying to pass laws that restrict LGBTQ+ rights. In light of the current wave of anti-LGBTQ+ policies, I wonder what going quiet on supporting our rights means. I am worried that not talking about LGBTQ+ rights would make it easier to pass and enforce laws that make our lives harder. There's also a part of me that wonders if less support for the LGBTQ+ community from the Democrats ultimately supports the goals of people who want to take away our rights by attaching a stigma to supporting us, something that has historically been an obstacle to LGBTQ+ rights movements. I just don't see how one of the lessons from this election is to support the LGBTQ+ community less, especially when I barely see any support coming from the Democrats as it is.
You are applying too broad a brush to the policy differences on LGBTQ issues. There is broad majority support for adults doing what they prefer sexually. There is also broad majority support for keeping women's sports for biological women and keeping biological men out women's locker rooms, and also for holding off on permanent medical procedures that would change the gender of children before they reach the age of consent. If the Democratic party doesn't make some accommodation on these issues it will not be a majority party.
@@kevinwoolley7960 This is the fundamental problem with D politics, and it's bound to get worse. Hypothetically, on any issue X it's possible to possible to propose terrible a policy Y. Before the party as a whole gets behind policy Y, there should be robust debate on its pros and cons, included unintended consequences. Debate, however has become forbidden in the D party b/c of cancel culture. Across a widening swath of policies, Ds are simply unable to say no. They then turn around and try to say that because you're against terrible policy Y, you're against issue X and all the people who have a stake in it. You can only do that so many times until you've destroyed your credibility and your brand. That's what Ds are in the process of doing.
22:45 because there were Democrats in the Senate that weren’t actually Democrats, Manchin/Sinema, voting against the voting rights act. The answer is not to vote against the Democratic Party it’s to help people see that if neither train is getting you to your destination at least get on the one that’s going to get you closest. This entire conversation was really intelligent, thoughtful, insightful. I hope the DNC listens.
I remember when the Democrats were the champions of free speech even for those they abhor. At some point this changed so that the Republicans were the more tolerant party willing to agree to disagree. I think this shift towards more intolerance of differing opinions for the Democrats helped build up the election results of this year.
Just starting and something tells me the answer won't be the rich donor class, ignoring the financial strain on the populace or not having primaries...
Yes, preach. People sho don't have a sense, a knowledge and a love of history, and that is a major part of America's problem. We need a love of education, a passion for positive change, and the gift of empathy to, in turn, pay forward.
My word, some of those people interviewed are incredibly condescending. I lived 3 blocks from the train station in ABQ. Its a blue state with the highest ratio of phd holders in the country. Why would you think we are uninformed?
We need a third party. To be fair about reality, Dems didn't cause inflation: the world-wide rammifications to the supply chain caused by the pandemic did but that isn't a sexy subject to fit in soundbites. It's all emotion without substance here.
Big problem with Nyt aswell as other outlets like NPR, the readers live in a bubble and echo chamber where they dont to hear the other side, but when you guys hear the other side, you mark them off as facists automatically. What gives? I say this as some who is a centrist and willing to hear both sides and to have empathy, not willing to play aged old Secular American Calvinism duality/binary that many Americans morally practice that is in full display. It's nice to see Nyt to go to a middle/working class black community and see full display how hard it is for democrats to win, when your bread and butter voter don't see eye to eye with white liberals and elite democrats who run much of the country. Next 20 years is going to be interesting.
Hey man, have you considered how you really aren't smart enough to hear other views, and really your opinions should be given to you from the TV? I can't believe they lost
If you think NYT reporters automatically consider conservatives fascists, you’re the one living in a bubble. This guy has been traveling all over the country talking to all kinds of voters for years.
abortion, minimum wage, and paid sick leave passed as ballot measures even in the reddest states. these were all things tim walz championed. the corporate democratic strategists and advisors derailed the harris campaign and stopped her from providing any of these popular policies and only propose curated policies that were donor approved. the kamala harris that emerged in the first few weeks of her campaign was genuinely inspirational, she talked about all of those things. soon after they turned her from 2008 obama to 2016 hillary clinton. and hilariously it was her brother-in-law who sabotaged her campaign. teaming up with republicans was genuinely the worst thing her campaign did. the cheneys are hated in america
This was a really interesting article. As someone who sincerely couldn’t understand why people were saying Harris was “too left” despite she was a status quo candidate, this focus group really helped me reflect on my own biases and perspectives. My takeaway here from this sample size is that the democrats see themselves as altruistic and community voters, and yet, when asked, even this group chose to scapegoat minoritized groups they felt took away from candidates that otherwise should’ve been “more for them”. I definitely don’t think the DNC has made good decisions in reaching out to their voters, but to learn simply talking about LGBT issues was too much because one of the most historically democratic groups even felt they were “too conservative” for it was insanely eye opening. It really helped put into perspective for me how much religion and its cultural hallmarks still holds America very tightly each election cycle.
Harris and Dems offered that regular people could do better if gov made billionaires pay their fair share. Trump told his voters that the problem was government making them share with "other" people. Was economic populism with "something else" baked in.
Your party is already dead, and you're all wandering around newspaper offices trying to figure out why you lost. It's 1968 all over again, it doesn't matter who you throw under the bus, or who runs your messaging, people don't want you. They can't trust you to run things competently or intelligently. It's settled.
Why is this called 'what democrats think went wrong'? It should be 'what black democrats think in a metropolitan city'..... Then again, this is a perfect example of how the New York Times operates haha.
Hopefully this will not be the theme for the next 4 years. A lot of folks stayed home. That should be the group that is interviewed. Why weren’t they motivated to participate?
As a republican who was done with Trump in 2022, I can tell you from personal experience that had the justice system left Trump alone, and the media just ignored him, he would've been finished. But then the flimsy cases started. And with each new ridiculous case, I started getting angrier and angrier. It was clear to me, that if his name wasn't Donald Trump he would not have been charged for any of those cases. By the last one, I no longer wanted a new candidate on the republican side. I was more committed to Trump then I'd ever been. I wanted another term for Trump to be the consequence of weaponizing the justice system. And then the failed assassination attempt sealed it. They tried to take him down with justice system, with the media, and then they even tried to kill him. He won because the left wouldn't leave him alone.
The money is in Trump. For the press, especially. They bit the hand that feeds them and he was elected, again. It’s a vicious circle but nowhere was it more obvious than 2016.
This was a big one for sure. The dems aren't even close to realizing the problems though. They all collectively have hatred in their hearts and you can see it in every single person who hates Donald Trump. The majority of democrats wanted Donald Trump dead. It felt eerie and dangerous. It still does
I went through the exact same process. My conspiracy is that they wanted to run against Trump and that’s why they did all of that rather than let him fade away.
I agree (in retrospect!) that nominating another woman candidate was a bad idea. Kamala's numbers resemble Hillary's much more than they resemble Biden's. It seems there are a lot of people, regardless of race or gender, who won't vote for a woman to be President. Another key point is that Harris tried to run as both an incumbent and a change-agent. At a time when lots of people are really mad about the status quo, and particularly issues like immigration (where admittedly Biden shot himself in the foot) and inflation (over which NO elected official has any control), there was only one candidate who represented rejection of business as usual, and that was Trump. It didn't matter that Trump had his own incumbent record that voters could consider--especially when they didn't even remember it accurately, or weren't old enough to have voted in previous elections. Again in retrospect, Biden should have decided not to run MUCH earlier, so that the Democrats could have had a proper primary and (theoretically!) picked the strongest candidate. But since they chose Hillary over Bernie, I'm not sure Democratic voters are in touch with American society. Finally... I'm not sure it's important that Democrats address "real" issues or listen to the voters. Trump shaped the political discourse for as long as he has been politically active, and never once has he told the truth and never once has he proposed a workable solution to an actual problem. He has blathered bigotry and bullshit, manipulating the fear and hatred of ignorant Americans. And he has been enormously successful doing that. Maybe what Democrats need to do is stop thinking that what candidates say and do actually matters. All a candidate needs to do is channel people's fear, prejudices, and anger, feeding it back to voters and blaming the other other party for everything that has ever happened to them. Looks like a winning strategy to me.
I'll have to re-listen but AFAIR not a single person mentioned Palestine. I am keenly aware of their selfish driving habits, but this level of selfishness is galling. It seems like all they care about is their gimme-dats
Its really telling that right after one person says before we talk about the isms let's talk about the party taking responsibility the host starts on "well maybe djt was better why?". No why wont the democratic party address the fact that its goal is not the populaces?
Wait. The Dems went too far left on T issues but we don’t want them to talk about it (because we are actually more conservative on that issue)?? Part of the problem was the Dems took a far left of center stance on the issue *without* talking about it. All the while the issue is ingrained into everyday life through DEI measures and training and exploding in schools and on sports teams and a social culture issue not just in the states but around the world. *Not* talking about the T issue wasn’t and isn’t the solution . It’s happening so face it head on. Also what is the dem definition of democracy and or democracy as is practiced in the USA ? Democracy is gone cause he won? What?!
Judging by the legendary strength of Adam Lichtman predictory model - the candidate proved beyond the scale of mediocrity thus blowing up the model, Adam?!
Virtually all of the "what went wrong" conversations are about "why Democrats lost" and "how Democrats can win." Entirely missing the point that voters need to hear what you will do in office, and what you stand for. What happens after you win? If you don't know, I'm not voting for you. 😢
This convo highlights the problem with viewing the world through an identity lens... It works at first, but keeping all your identity groups from fighting over resources. Lots of talk here about disappointment with Latinos or Arabs or Immigrants, etc.
Or this idea that only specific racial groups can "see the horrors of America" as if people who are coded white today can't - which is very much at odds with American history. Identity based narratives tend to not be able to be broad tent.
I agree. Plus, identity politics is unwise if you’re running a minority candidate. If you teach everyone they need to be represented by a POTUS who looks like them… that makes minorities less likely to be elected
I know this sounds uncharitable, but I come here for guidance, lucid insight, and expert analysis, not to hear this guy's family do a bunch of random speculating and spitballing. I've got my own family for that, thanks very much.
Crazy DEMs thought they could announce a candidate without any voting and THEN claim republicans were a threat to democracy. DEMs totally thru democracy under the bus.
Inflation. It's a killer. 30% food price increase when most people saw a 10% increase in wages. You can't walk away from that and it doesn't matter who was running, the incumbent party will always get punished. Sadly I believe this was an avoidable problem.
wokeness is a right-wing myth, the US does not have open borders, women's bathrooms are still for women only, inflammation isn't a political concept, violent crime, overall, fell by 3% from 2022 to 2023, with murder and manslaughter rates dropping by 11.6% and rape down by more than 9%, but housing is a legitimate issue. So, out of the 6 things you listed, only 5 are actual politically relevant issues, and of those 5, only 1 is actually factually accurate. You are either the victim of conservative media propaganda, or lack the literacy or incredulity to actually verify your beliefs with evidence. You should reconsider your media habits.
@@cwidd1929 For the record, the crime thing isn’t true. The FBI just stealth edited their stats a month ago to show a 2% increase in violent crime across the board.
For the longest time the immigration problem was limited to Texas and Texas pleas for help went ignored. Once Texas started busing them out, then did the rest of the country understand what an issue it was. It was a smart play by Abbott.
Gotta say I knew it was a problem before the bussing began. I value border states and the sovereignty a controlled border means.
Also I could not figure out why if the USA government wanted an open border like the EU , there wasn’t any negotiation presented to the public that listed benefits and safety measures like travel without passport required or other conditions. What kind of open border policy is one way? That was just one tip of ice berg issue I had.
Of course Biden had a bill to fix the border issue in congress about a year ago, 3X the money for border agents and detention. The Republicans wouldn't pass it so they could browbeat the democrats with it in the election. People that could lead but only do things for their own benefit are scum. So there's that😊 15:05
Unlike 2017, this time around if any of these liberal mayors declare their cities as “Sanctuary Cities”, Abbott will send a bus load of migrants their way
This Sanctuary City nonsense needs to stop, even Latinos aren’t on board with it
If you ask harris voters why she lost you'll not get the right answer. You have to ask people who didn't vote for her why....and listen.
If you've been following this journalist's work for the past two years then you know that he's been traveling the country talking and listening to voters of all kinds. Even the first iteration of this Chicago trip included several Trump voters whom he spoke w/.
I don't think that Harris voters are inherently clueless about why she lost. Your comment suggests that only people who voted for Trump (or whomever else) have any insight into why people voted for someone else. That doesn't follow. Harris voters might, for instance, have followed her campaign closely and thus may be particularly aware of her shortcomings. Many people who voted for Harris were less than pleased w/ parts of her platform, they were just more pleased than displeased, 51/49-- same w/ lots of Trump voters. I think what makes more sense to say is that if you want to know why people didn't vote for Harris that you should ask a broad cross-section of voters about why they made their choices, starting w/ Trump voters but not stopping there.
Are you hard of hearing? They explored all of that here. Just say you hate the messenger. Thanks for the views though!
To be fair this podcast has talked to a lot of people who voted for Trump and asked them why -- has done an excellent job reporting on both sides of this.
You didn't listen at all. Lots in the family who voted Trump explained why. Listen again and look at how stupid you are.
That is EXACTLY what this was about.
I am African American and I am always amazed by the assessments of Black people. Why would you think that Arabs & Latinos just “don’t like Black people” when they both voted for Obama TWICE.
Maybe the Arabs were actually concerned about their own people getting blown to shit. Maybe Hispanics were actually disgruntled with the economy. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t about YOU.
That part!!!
And mexico has a woman president when they say they dont want harris to be president.
'i dont want to feel the joy, i want to feel the difference.' thats the whole thing.
Thank you!❤
That is the one line that stuck out most to me, too. Concise but powerful statement.
Precisely. You can’t buy food, pay medical bills, afford college, stem the flood of increasing costs with „joy.“
Joy was on offer by the establishment dems because it doesn’t force their bankrollers to contribute their fair share to a greater society. Joy appealed only to those who are doing well financially and thus are more concerned with issues such as decorum or cultural topics.
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Said another way, you can’t win on #OrangeManBad or #VanceWeird
It's true but Dems can't do anything but fluff. They have to hide that they are there to support capitalism as much as the GOP is. It's where Kamala's word salads come into play too.
Go. Full. Populist.
why didn't you ask the question of whether they would've preferred the populist side agenda with Bernie or the establishment side agenda with Hillary of the democrats in 2016? That is where the party died.
They/them said no
I think you heard them say they are brainwashed.
They killed the party when they did everything they could to stop Bernie
Democrats can't be populists without shedding the race hustlers, LGBTQ radicals, anti-capitalists and socialists. No one has done the math in the party where they can shed a loud 2% crazy and get 15% center because that loud 2% dominates funding and working head count of the party. You have to basically tell them to make their own party and write off their votes. They just stood there and let Trump own their best policies.
The party that won the presidency in 2020 died in 2016; guess I just didn't notice. Thanks for your stunning insight.
I don’t understand what makes the democrats message the moral message. I’m so confused. Who decided that?
this is a Democrat/Liberal newspaper so it makes those assumptions
I decided that for myself a long time ago.
Because white supremacist like nick Fuentes have the same talking points as Charlie Kirk and mainstream republicans
Standing up for the weak and the marginalized has historically been understood as a good thing. Conversely, promoting racism and xenophobia ("they're eating the dogs!") is typically understood as a bad thing.
@@deadeaded No! Good, was never about standing up for the weak and marginalized. But to stand up for what is right.
Because according to this logic of "standing up for the weak and marginalized" we should stand up for the Nazis and any other evil group when they are losing.
This is my favorite podcast episode yet. Wonderful.
Yes latinos dos what black people shouldve did years ago
Trump loves the poorly educated...you just proved that...learn English, educate yourself, maybe you'll make better decisions.
Latinos are not part of the people of color movement started by black people to leverage into more political power. Latinos are not a voting block like black Americans. They are very much like white voters and vote like different white groups.
The system works when you vote your best interests. Thats what it’s designed to do. Being brainwashed to do otherwise is insane
What is surprising to me is how much this group purely were voting for Kamala solely because she presented black and woman. That’s crazy.
That's Dems for ya
It's even crazier cuz they are trying to win a popularity contest. Like, what did you think all the rest of us thought about black women? Presidential ain't the first word that comes to mind....
Well for me, I don’t vote based on what someone looks like as my primary motivation. I think the Democratic Party is heavy focused on someone’s looks. And lose a lot because of this. And incite resentment from others because they elevate people based on how they look, which requires them putting down those that do not. Hmmm. Thinking out loud so to speak.
Trump ran on preserving white identity. He’s lucky dems opened up the boarder and the governor of Texas sent the migrants all over. Other wise blacks wouldn’t have boycotted the election and Latinos wouldn’t have voted for them.
@@giraffediety2477 I don't agree with you, but I don't think you are alone in your sentiment
It’s not complicated. They had a substandard candidate who had no business being in that position. They need better candidates.
“What if we lean really hard into rich people culture.”
They/them would like that.
I was not prepared for how conservative christian this would be. It felt like this conversation should have stayed off of the internet, so much bigotry. There doesn't seem to be any concern about what was important to other groups. "The collective" to them means that people support them but they don't have any care about what's important to others.
To have the nerve to talk about the Horrors of America, but dismiss voters who are upset about the Biden admins handling of Gaza is so insulting.
Well put.
I’m 20 minutes in and this is some of the most racist stuff I’ve heard in a long time.
Try a Fox News comment section
Worse than "they're eating the dogs"?
@@deadeaded exactly they always ignore his comments
Yes, pretty racist group. And so unaware of how racist and bigoted they are.
Sounds to me like a bunch of people speaking their mind, what's the racist part?
I do find the obliviousness on gaza while talking about cross racial solidarity and blaming arab americans in mich8gan when the kamala campaign actively wagged a finger at their noses to spite them quite telling. Lot of talk of solidarity, but essentially boils down to identity and self interest.
I noticed that too. They are horrified of the idea of the civil rights coalition falling apart, correctly identify what issues matter to those groups and what the party needs to say, then..... blame those groups for breaking the coalition. You woulda got it if you looked in the mirror for two more seconds.
These opinions are absurd and completely uninformed. Such an emotional response.
They are just regular people being asked for an opinion on politics. What else did you expect?
It’s interesting to listen to this family. They are part of their own echo chamber. And it’s good to hear from different echo chambers. They do talk as if they are in the 1960s. And that they were recently enslaved and oppressed. When none of them are. So it’s interesting.
If you've ever listened to any focus groups, their opinions are pretty common. Democrats ignore the opinions of folks like these at their own peril.
I don’t think it’s naive to think she had a chance to win because she did but she blew it. If she can’t even ace an interview, why should people come out to vote for her?
When I hear criticism like this, it 100% supports my feelings that Kamala Harris was held to a much higher standard than Donald Trump....did you listen to any of his interviews? Do you feel he "aced" them or did he just ramble on incoherently not answering any questions effectively or cogently? Why does she have to be perfect while he gets to be an imbecile?
@@Katekilkenny People know him, he's been in the public eye for decades, and like him or not, he is authentic in his interactions, even too authentic. She doesn't have an authentic bone in her body, would clearly say anything to win, has twisted her policy views completely inside out in the last 5 years, and dropped out of the primary in 2020 before it even led to votes. Literally no one knows what she believes and she has not had sufficient exposure to the public, and what few unscripted interactions she had were not promising, she appears to be an empty suit except for abortion and "Trump is Hitler".
@ I couldn’t vote for him either but in my opinion, he’s better at speaking than she is. Even if he isn’t being authentic, he’s more convincing whereas with Kamala, it’s clear she’s not being genuine as she recites the same memorized lines in every interview. When Charlamagne from the breakfast club asked her about this in his interview with her, she replied with “it’s called being disciplined” laughing. Then Trump went on Rogan for a 3 hour interview/convo unrehearsed. 50 million views. Kamala went on Club Shay Shay rehearsed style interview with cue cards, didn’t really break into a conversation. Only was trying to desperately win the black male vote just like in her breakfast club interview and the “all the smoke” interview. You’re right though about Trump’s interviews. She’s just noticeably worse.
Kate, that's the rub. Harris outside of stumping was incoherent and babbling but without the charisma.
Yea. I’m a dem but Harris was the worst candidate in my lifetime. She spent the whole campaign lying, dodging questions, flip flopping on policies & trying to outflank Trump on the right on energy, border, etc 😂
Thank you so much for this--I learned so much from listening to your family. I wish we could have more of these kinds of honest conversations as a country.
Agreed, I didn't expect this to be as good as it was. But it was pretty informative.
Good comment to get outside echo chambers to listen to other echo chambers.
And that is part of the problem. The left has refused to hold honest conversations over the last 3.5 years. Suppressing free speech when dissenting opinions arise on sensitive, contentious topics, including, if not especially, on social media platforms. Dems really underestimate how suppressing free speech catches people’s attention . ( they created a silent majority that they never heard from because they refused to listen to them) oh well 🤷🏾♀️
These people are so insular and irrational they should run for office.
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These people are lost. They are stuck in the 1960's. Sad!
Ohhhh so sad! The better question is why might some of the opinions sounds Ike that? Or reflect that? The ones that observe that don’t care about the answer or they brush it off as “ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, oh they are just racist, identity politics (which may be a part of it)” .
I have thoughts on why this 1960s sound is happening but it is very difficult to have that conversation over social media comments.
Levels of racial segregation are still at 1960s levels, and black white wealth inequality is higher now than in the 60s. Neoliberalism ushered in by reagan caused all of that, when he destabilized black neighborhoods by flooding them with guns and drugs.
Astead Herndon is literally the only political voice at the NYT worth listening to.
Id argue Ezra is really good when it comes to political theory though he's out of touch like the rest. Barbaro is uselessm
I’m so sad to hear the opinion that we should be more individualistic than about the collective. That’s just not the world I want to live in.
I haven't listened to this yet, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this going to be yet another hard-hitting journalistic analysis from the NYT does not address decades of class divide, rampant income inequality, an unsustainable drop in purchasing power for the working class and the litany of Maslow's hierarchy of needs that financial solvency is required to address. No. Root-cause analysis be damned. My money is on poor campaign messaging, Biden dropping out too late, Kamala trying to cater to progressives and moderates, the economy being great but "feeling bad" for some Americans, Israel's war, yadda, yadda. Anything but what Sanders addressed on the Daily with (a very confused) Michael Barbaro.
Call me out if I got this wrong please.
Ask them if they would vote for Tulsi Gabbard or Condoleeza Rice....see the excuses magically appear.
Victim mentality.
This was so discouraging to listen to. To hear them share with confidence simultaneously the views, "No, Democrats do nothing for us." and "We are so disappointed more people didn't vote for them." And, clearly they don't think about the collective if they can't understand why Palestinian Americans were not impressed with Trump but also were not impressed with Biden/Harris. So, that was just pure self-deception. Not to mention, one was quite honest about "I'm an HBCU graduate, she's an HBCU graduate. I'm a lawyer. She's a lawyer". And, yet...they've convinced themselves...we voted for Kamala Harris because we were thinking about everybody else. Nope. I can't stand Trump. But...this, nope.
Thats reality. Black people vote based on color is ok, white people its every ism in the book plus transphobic though
You willingly nominate a weak candidate and then take it personally when you know in your heart of hearts she has flaws. Acknowledge the truth and don’t take someone else’s loses personally.
36:21 Democracy is gone
36:32 Create-A-Candidate for the next election
- "Democracy" seems like the new pronoun game
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This is all so sad to hear. I am black and Latina, a millennial, and highly "educated." I sympathize with most of these views, even if I don't feel the same way myself about all of them.
I too am a highly educated Latina, & a dem. But the reality is that Dem policies are failing & are unpopular. It’s just the truth. Harris spent most of her campaign lying, flip flopping to try & outflank Trump on the right (on the border, energy, etc) & ran around campaigning with Liz Cheney.
Our party needs new leadership & new policies. Look at our Dem-run cities. When I was a kid everyone was moving to the cities, now everyone is fleeing them.
What makes the democrats message the “collective message”?
Because they're not demonizing an outgroup, like immigrants or trans people.
@deadeaded but haven't Democrats specifically demonized rural people, and white men...I mean I hear shit talking about those two cuts on the electorate in the Democratic circles I work in.
@@deadeaded Yup, only demonizing the biggest ingroup: white and working-class. It's pretty irrational if you want to win an election.
Democrats say they’re for “everyone”, while republicans say they’re for “you” (and not the other guy).
@@deadeaded they are for sure demonizing an outgroup - people from vocational jobs, men (especially white men), people from rural areas and people who don't agree with them 100% on social issues (name calling and bullying them).
Lemme guess, none of them think it's their shitty policies...
I’m surprised NYT posted this without further editing, tbh. I’m not even sure what the point is, other than to make people sound ignorant. 😢
It’s quite racist towards Latinos & other demographics as well, & I’m sure you wouldn’t air a program of Latinos speaking this way about black Americans
Not sure what I took from this......I guess the message is that voters are underwhelmed by many aspects of today's Dems. And it's probably too early to say much more than that.
But it's always a great listen, Astead. Thanks for your perspective and insightfully frustrated brand of journalism. And thanks for bringing us in to meet your family, happy thanksgiving.
What I took away was a bunch of people insisting on dividing everyone by race and then being surprised that caused division within their party and then doubling down on racial divides. Say what you will about the republicans but they welcome everyone into their tent as Americans first and foremost.
People are far too focused on race in America. It blinds everyone here, it’s bizarre. Talking about “the black man” as a voting issue, what does that even mean? What is a black policy? What is a black selling point? It’s a load of nonsense that only America suffers from.
We can do plenty of analysis on redlining, school district funding and plenty of other issues that affect POC disproportionately but let’s be honest, nobody on this podcast was talking about that.
I'm only 16 minutes in. Does anyone bring up that more black men voted for the GOP this time? I wanna hear their thoughts on that.
Facts. Im 17 minutes in and haven’t heard anyone at this so-called church ⛪️ mention that most of America wanted Roe v Wade overturned for moral reasons.
They voted forvtrump, not for Republican party.
No they didn't. This is literally false lol
Most of them sat out, including black women.
@@chrisdwellingham5320 The percentage of the black male electorate that voted Republican absolutely did increase.
I am a white “non-educated” woman and I am with your coalition. ❤ Always have been and always will be
This is the best discussion of our politics and elections results. Keep doing what you do, thanks.
What Democrats think went wrong. This echo chamber is so loud it's deafening.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this! Thank you!!!
I'd also llke to interrogate the idea that voting from individual interest is always selfishness. The woman in Michigan that you interviewed wanted her job back because she loved working on cars but also because she wanted to work with addicts and she wanted to cultivate high quality adult relationships, neither of those things she could do when living in a state of financial insecurity. The idea of filling your own cup so you can serve othes better has gained traction and culture and it is not selfishness. It's not even mere survivalism -- although I do think survivalism played a large role in driving people to vote for Trump, I also think there's a sense that Democrats are not talking about prosperity at all for anyone other than the top 10%. It feels to me sometimes like I'm being pushed to live in a tiny house and take the handouts that Dems might throw me. That's not the life a lot of people want to live. They don't mind working hard, innovating, in exchange for a better lifestyle. In fact I think for a lot of Americans, if you take that away, they lose day-to-day motivation. I'm very sorry people feel that America's election of Trump is a rejection of them personally because I think the amount of people for whom that is true (people who voted to punish or hurt women and minorities) is very small. I think more people just want to see the country safe from foreign wars and return to a more prosperous time for all Americans. I live in a blue state so I didn't worry about Kamala Harris not winning in my state. I wrote in Michelle Obama because I so badly wanted to vote for a black woman but I just could not vote for Kamala Harris for all of the reasons and all the others that people are also talking about. It was a disasterous cycle for Democrats over and it probably is a good idea to take a step back and let people build up their individual lives so they hopefully will have more to bring to the political arena in a year or two. Right now it's just sadness. I feel it so hard, I cried through the whole episode. Thank you so much for your work ❤
Great episode. I enjoyed the candid discussion.
0:26 "overwhelmingly reelected" is certainly a way to phrase a win half the size of the last one
I voted for trump 4 many good reasons
Every faction in the party is busy blaming other faction and not reflecting on their own actions
I’m black and we have to accept the nation does not owe us anything, we owe it to ourselves to help us. We’ve been shackled to the democrat establishment for over 60 years and it has gotten us nowhere. This election proved other communities vote their interest as a collective, not familiarity or skin color
Very interesting podcast, thank you very much!
74,169,601 people voted for a woman 😂
at around minute 23, the woman talks about the history of the democratic party. She is thinking that black people today care about the issues that the left cares about or the issues of prior generations. I am multi-racial. My father is black and my mother is white and was born in England. My main concern is the economy, my youngest daughter being in her first year of college, my girlfriend that works as a performer in the entertainment industry and her ability to work. Which is predicated upon people have disposable income. I do not care about safe spaces for people of color at elite colleges and ivy league schools. Black people are in the best position then they have ever been. They need to struggle like the Italians, Jews, and Irish that were marginalized. We don't need DEI, we need a better economy to be able to do it for ourselves. My father went to a segregate college in NC. My grandfather fought in a segregate army in WWII. To equate the racial and social causes today to the struggles of our families' prior generations is a disservice. These issues are important but not the priority to making things better for people of all colors.
These people are embarrassing
Why
On the topic of the Democrats supposedly needing to be less vocal about LGBTQ+ rights, my point of view as a member of the community was that Kamala Harris barely said anything about us. What I see way more of is Republican politicians and pundits talking about us and trying to pass laws that restrict LGBTQ+ rights. In light of the current wave of anti-LGBTQ+ policies, I wonder what going quiet on supporting our rights means. I am worried that not talking about LGBTQ+ rights would make it easier to pass and enforce laws that make our lives harder. There's also a part of me that wonders if less support for the LGBTQ+ community from the Democrats ultimately supports the goals of people who want to take away our rights by attaching a stigma to supporting us, something that has historically been an obstacle to LGBTQ+ rights movements. I just don't see how one of the lessons from this election is to support the LGBTQ+ community less, especially when I barely see any support coming from the Democrats as it is.
You are applying too broad a brush to the policy differences on LGBTQ issues.
There is broad majority support for adults doing what they prefer sexually.
There is also broad majority support for keeping women's sports for biological women and keeping biological men out women's locker rooms, and also for holding off on permanent medical procedures that would change the gender of children before they reach the age of consent.
If the Democratic party doesn't make some accommodation on these issues it will not be a majority party.
@@kevinwoolley7960 This is the fundamental problem with D politics, and it's bound to get worse.
Hypothetically, on any issue X it's possible to possible to propose terrible a policy Y. Before the party as a whole gets behind policy Y, there should be robust debate on its pros and cons, included unintended consequences. Debate, however has become forbidden in the D party b/c of cancel culture. Across a widening swath of policies, Ds are simply unable to say no. They then turn around and try to say that because you're against terrible policy Y, you're against issue X and all the people who have a stake in it. You can only do that so many times until you've destroyed your credibility and your brand. That's what Ds are in the process of doing.
Unc had to stop himself from saying trump was going to do what was done to him 😂
22:45 because there were Democrats in the Senate that weren’t actually Democrats, Manchin/Sinema, voting against the voting rights act. The answer is not to vote against the Democratic Party it’s to help people see that if neither train is getting you to your destination at least get on the one that’s going to get you closest.
This entire conversation was really intelligent, thoughtful, insightful. I hope the DNC listens.
I remember when the Democrats were the champions of free speech even for those they abhor. At some point this changed so that the Republicans were the more tolerant party willing to agree to disagree. I think this shift towards more intolerance of differing opinions for the Democrats helped build up the election results of this year.
Just starting and something tells me the answer won't be the rich donor class, ignoring the financial strain on the populace or not having primaries...
Yes, preach. People sho don't have a sense, a knowledge and a love of history, and that is a major part of America's problem. We need a love of education, a passion for positive change, and the gift of empathy to, in turn, pay forward.
My word, some of those people interviewed are incredibly condescending. I lived 3 blocks from the train station in ABQ. Its a blue state with the highest ratio of phd holders in the country. Why would you think we are uninformed?
We need a third party. To be fair about reality, Dems didn't cause inflation: the world-wide rammifications to the supply chain caused by the pandemic did but that isn't a sexy subject to fit in soundbites. It's all emotion without substance here.
Facts!
Big problem with Nyt aswell as other outlets like NPR, the readers live in a bubble and echo chamber where they dont to hear the other side, but when you guys hear the other side, you mark them off as facists automatically. What gives? I say this as some who is a centrist and willing to hear both sides and to have empathy, not willing to play aged old Secular American Calvinism duality/binary that many Americans morally practice that is in full display. It's nice to see Nyt to go to a middle/working class black community and see full display how hard it is for democrats to win, when your bread and butter voter don't see eye to eye with white liberals and elite democrats who run much of the country. Next 20 years is going to be interesting.
Well said.
Hey man, have you considered how you really aren't smart enough to hear other views, and really your opinions should be given to you from the TV?
I can't believe they lost
If you think NYT reporters automatically consider conservatives fascists, you’re the one living in a bubble. This guy has been traveling all over the country talking to all kinds of voters for years.
Gavin Newsom for 2028 democratic candidate is what I took away from this
abortion, minimum wage, and paid sick leave passed as ballot measures even in the reddest states. these were all things tim walz championed. the corporate democratic strategists and advisors derailed the harris campaign and stopped her from providing any of these popular policies and only propose curated policies that were donor approved. the kamala harris that emerged in the first few weeks of her campaign was genuinely inspirational, she talked about all of those things. soon after they turned her from 2008 obama to 2016 hillary clinton. and hilariously it was her brother-in-law who sabotaged her campaign. teaming up with republicans was genuinely the worst thing her campaign did. the cheneys are hated in america
The people know, the elites do not.
This was a really interesting article. As someone who sincerely couldn’t understand why people were saying Harris was “too left” despite she was a status quo candidate, this focus group really helped me reflect on my own biases and perspectives. My takeaway here from this sample size is that the democrats see themselves as altruistic and community voters, and yet, when asked, even this group chose to scapegoat minoritized groups they felt took away from candidates that otherwise should’ve been “more for them”. I definitely don’t think the DNC has made good decisions in reaching out to their voters, but to learn simply talking about LGBT issues was too much because one of the most historically democratic groups even felt they were “too conservative” for it was insanely eye opening. It really helped put into perspective for me how much religion and its cultural hallmarks still holds America very tightly each election cycle.
I'm not sure "kiss the ring" is the correct thought process here..
What went wrong under the worst presidency that included George W?
So much misinformation from these people 😂
Harris and Dems offered that regular people could do better if gov made billionaires pay their fair share.
Trump told his voters that the problem was government making them share with "other" people. Was economic populism with "something else" baked in.
Your party is already dead, and you're all wandering around newspaper offices trying to figure out why you lost. It's 1968 all over again, it doesn't matter who you throw under the bus, or who runs your messaging, people don't want you. They can't trust you to run things competently or intelligently. It's settled.
This is the most civil Thanksgiving dinner in history.
Why is this called 'what democrats think went wrong'? It should be 'what black democrats think in a metropolitan city'..... Then again, this is a perfect example of how the New York Times operates haha.
Because no white people would ever listen to it if they used your title. It’s snappier.
Blame everybody... But the actual candidate. Sure.
Hopefully this will not be the theme for the next 4 years. A lot of folks stayed home. That should be the group that is interviewed. Why weren’t they motivated to participate?
As a republican who was done with Trump in 2022, I can tell you from personal experience that had the justice system left Trump alone, and the media just ignored him, he would've been finished. But then the flimsy cases started. And with each new ridiculous case, I started getting angrier and angrier. It was clear to me, that if his name wasn't Donald Trump he would not have been charged for any of those cases. By the last one, I no longer wanted a new candidate on the republican side. I was more committed to Trump then I'd ever been. I wanted another term for Trump to be the consequence of weaponizing the justice system. And then the failed assassination attempt sealed it. They tried to take him down with justice system, with the media, and then they even tried to kill him. He won because the left wouldn't leave him alone.
The money is in Trump. For the press, especially. They bit the hand that feeds them and he was elected, again. It’s a vicious circle but nowhere was it more obvious than 2016.
This was a big one for sure. The dems aren't even close to realizing the problems though. They all collectively have hatred in their hearts and you can see it in every single person who hates Donald Trump.
The majority of democrats wanted Donald Trump dead. It felt eerie and dangerous. It still does
They/them so mad.
So what? .. you don't want the justice system to try to convict felonies ?
I went through the exact same process. My conspiracy is that they wanted to run against Trump and that’s why they did all of that rather than let him fade away.
Unaffordable housing in dem cities
I agree (in retrospect!) that nominating another woman candidate was a bad idea. Kamala's numbers resemble Hillary's much more than they resemble Biden's. It seems there are a lot of people, regardless of race or gender, who won't vote for a woman to be President.
Another key point is that Harris tried to run as both an incumbent and a change-agent. At a time when lots of people are really mad about the status quo, and particularly issues like immigration (where admittedly Biden shot himself in the foot) and inflation (over which NO elected official has any control), there was only one candidate who represented rejection of business as usual, and that was Trump. It didn't matter that Trump had his own incumbent record that voters could consider--especially when they didn't even remember it accurately, or weren't old enough to have voted in previous elections.
Again in retrospect, Biden should have decided not to run MUCH earlier, so that the Democrats could have had a proper primary and (theoretically!) picked the strongest candidate. But since they chose Hillary over Bernie, I'm not sure Democratic voters are in touch with American society.
Finally... I'm not sure it's important that Democrats address "real" issues or listen to the voters. Trump shaped the political discourse for as long as he has been politically active, and never once has he told the truth and never once has he proposed a workable solution to an actual problem. He has blathered bigotry and bullshit, manipulating the fear and hatred of ignorant Americans. And he has been enormously successful doing that.
Maybe what Democrats need to do is stop thinking that what candidates say and do actually matters. All a candidate needs to do is channel people's fear, prejudices, and anger, feeding it back to voters and blaming the other other party for everything that has ever happened to them. Looks like a winning strategy to me.
Best election in my life
Bernie was the whole time. You should have done what he said.
I'll have to re-listen but AFAIR not a single person mentioned Palestine. I am keenly aware of their selfish driving habits, but this level of selfishness is galling. It seems like all they care about is their gimme-dats
19:08
I almost can't believe this wasn't edited out
Its really telling that right after one person says before we talk about the isms let's talk about the party taking responsibility the host starts on "well maybe djt was better why?".
No why wont the democratic party address the fact that its goal is not the populaces?
Wait. The Dems went too far left on T issues but we don’t want them to talk about it (because we are actually more conservative on that issue)?? Part of the problem was the Dems took a far left of center stance on the issue *without* talking about it. All the while the issue is ingrained into everyday life through DEI measures and training and exploding in schools and on sports teams and a social culture issue not just in the states but around the world.
*Not* talking about the T issue wasn’t and isn’t the solution . It’s happening so face it head on.
Also what is the dem definition of democracy and or democracy as is practiced in the USA ? Democracy is gone cause he won? What?!
We don't suck. It's the voters who suck.
No. You guys do, in fact, suck.
If I follow your logic then the Republican party will hold power forever then...
These responses are comically stupid
They actually think she's a black woman.
Haha.
Listening to these women speak is like listening to 5 year olds. They talk and talk but say NOTHING useful.
Of course it's ALL about race ... WRONG group of people to ask
Judging by the legendary strength of Adam Lichtman predictory model - the candidate proved beyond the scale of mediocrity thus blowing up the model, Adam?!
When will you Democrats stop asking what went wrong and cope?
Virtually all of the "what went wrong" conversations are about "why Democrats lost" and "how Democrats can win." Entirely missing the point that voters need to hear what you will do in office, and what you stand for. What happens after you win? If you don't know, I'm not voting for you. 😢
The race stuff is exhausting
That was pretty good. Let’s see other groups particularly illegals and or Latinos that voted for trump
I like this group. More economy, and stop with the lgbt stuff, stop with the wokeness.
17:25 This man would rather focus on Trump being "wicked" instead of Dems running a campaign designed to attract George W Bush voters.
Love how they’re surprised that Muslims didn’t vote for the rainbow 🌈 agenda party.
This convo highlights the problem with viewing the world through an identity lens... It works at first, but keeping all your identity groups from fighting over resources. Lots of talk here about disappointment with Latinos or Arabs or Immigrants, etc.
Or this idea that only specific racial groups can "see the horrors of America" as if people who are coded white today can't - which is very much at odds with American history. Identity based narratives tend to not be able to be broad tent.
I agree. Plus, identity politics is unwise if you’re running a minority candidate. If you teach everyone they need to be represented by a POTUS who looks like them… that makes minorities less likely to be elected
When asked what they want in the next Democrat candidate they basically described a younger Trump! (Who is for DEI)
I know this sounds uncharitable, but I come here for guidance, lucid insight, and expert analysis, not to hear this guy's family do a bunch of random speculating and spitballing. I've got my own family for that, thanks very much.
Cackling Kamala was a terrible candidate, and there was no primary. You did this to yourselves. If you can't see that, then you will lose again.
Crazy DEMs thought they could announce a candidate without any voting and THEN claim republicans were a threat to democracy. DEMs totally thru democracy under the bus.
Great piecem interesting to hear that sending migrants that had been moved to Chicago made her change her mind on them.
Right!?! For the first time ever, I'm actually proud of Abbot.
These comments are flooded with Russian bots.
Ya because the Russians really care about what the fools at the NYT care about anything.
Wokeness, Open borders, womens bathroom, Inflammation, Crimes, rent price.
Yup!
Inflation. It's a killer. 30% food price increase when most people saw a 10% increase in wages. You can't walk away from that and it doesn't matter who was running, the incumbent party will always get punished. Sadly I believe this was an avoidable problem.
wokeness is a right-wing myth, the US does not have open borders, women's bathrooms are still for women only, inflammation isn't a political concept, violent crime, overall, fell by 3% from 2022 to 2023, with murder and manslaughter rates dropping by 11.6% and rape down by more than 9%, but housing is a legitimate issue.
So, out of the 6 things you listed, only 5 are actual politically relevant issues, and of those 5, only 1 is actually factually accurate.
You are either the victim of conservative media propaganda, or lack the literacy or incredulity to actually verify your beliefs with evidence.
You should reconsider your media habits.
@@demetriostsillas8981 But Kamala went to an HBCU like me! Who needs rent and groceries?
@@cwidd1929 For the record, the crime thing isn’t true. The FBI just stealth edited their stats a month ago to show a 2% increase in violent crime across the board.
38:00 Shawn Fain of the @UAW is your man!