As a programmer myself I want to point out another reason on why peppy is not able to change notelock. I remember Peppy mentioned in some interview that the way he wrote code for osu stable was that he was only concerned about development speed but not about code quality and possibility of further changes, so over the years of development, this has brought osu stable to the point where making ANY changes to the game can result in unpredictable behavior, breaking everything and bugs all over the place. So sonsidering this, not only this change will break all existing scores but the development cost will be enormous. This is also the reason for why osu lazer exist and osu stable is put into sort of maintenance mode now, which means that changes are made only if absolutely necessary(e.g. game crashes, critical bugs) P.S. English is not my native language, sorry if I made mistakes
I am fairly sure that it would be far more complicated than a regular pp rebalance. The only thing PP rebalances really do is rerun an algorithm on already determined scores. Changing notelock would not only require a pp recalculation for every map, but also overriding replays, miss counts, 50 counts, 100 counts, and 300 counts. Reworking notelock means changing the nature of already existing scores (if possible) would require magnitudes more processing power than an ordinary pp rework.
@@MecoJoeyRamone What sort of rework are you talking about? I'm saying that if you removed notelock altogether, certain scores that got misses but correctly aimed and tapped would end up having fewer misses.
and it's not even possible to override all replays because osu! only store top 1000 replays on any map, so for example merami's mou ii kai choke won't be recalculated, and (almost) every low 6-digit top plays are basically gone.
@@jaklgs7190 um, no? why would they feel the need to manipulate scores like that? it's unnecessary as fuck and would break everything. old scores that got notelock misses should be left untouched, no need to run a script to recalculate them. The reason peppy is reluctant to change notelock, imo, is that it would give an unfair advantage to newer scores over old scores, this mentality he has of not wanting to change anything to preserve leaderboards is really lame, at this point he should just make a legacy leaderboard or something, and an option to play with such a mode, and without it you can play with newer mechanics. This way we can get actual game fixes and updates, and you don't mess with the leaderboards.
What would happen if you play the replay file of 0:07 on a version of osu! that removed notelocks? Because depending on how replay files work, it would either play normally like you know it's from the old version, or it would actually hit what's supposed to be notelocked resulting in the replay score being different from what is recorded, breaking the scores
@@cedrick25 that's so weird, when I was doing 80pp plays or less I didn't even know what "pp" was, lol. It wasn't until much later when I started caring. I probably should have never started caring, oof
Sometimes when I got the wrong result I realized that it's all because of just one tiny mistake I made, *after I've tried a quadrillion methods to see if I got the right result..*
Hey, loved the video. Recently started getting good enough at the game to get notelocked, so I understand the hate. That aside, I'll take this opportunity of being somewhat early to say how much I love your videos. They're so high quality and professional looking and should get more attention. The topics are also always really interesting. Keep up the good work!
i think something people are forgetting is that osu lazer WILL BE the main osu client, just completely revamped to be better in general, so yes he does want to change it, and he isnt too lazy, because he actively is changing it
Agreed, and changing it now would ruin scores that have been set on the game in the last 14 years. Like, why change it now, when the new game is already being developed?
@PrinZ KittY that is not at all what peppy ever said. he said that by 2017 lazer will be released. which actually happened. lazer has been released since 2017 the same way that osu stable was released in 2007. there will probably never be a proper "release". lazer will just replace stable over time, it's been said that even after lazer replaces stable officialy, stable will still be supported for years (like the 2015 stable-fallback is to this day)
@@janmalicek6914 the only problem fallback has is that you can't submit a score for every single map, but there's millions so it shouldn't be that big of a burden
hey man I appreciate your videos! small note I've noticed in the past couple videos is that you seem to be peaking your mic at the beginning of sentences (notably the yomi yori where you went above 0 dB at the beginnings of a lot sentences). if you don't already, use normalization on audio and set it to around -3 dB (which is the recommended commentator dB level). besides that nice video as always :)
When you said you don't have the best track record for research that kinda made me sad, I think the videos you make require a lot of effort and making mistakes just comes with the craft. Here's to more awesome BruhmasterL content.
For real, notelock was one of the main reasons that makes me stop playing Osu!. I started getting mad almost every time when that happened, i just wasnt having fun on Osu anymore
If notelock didn't exist, I think the star pass medals would become worthless and higher star maps relatively just easily passable by mashing. Although I do dislike notelock, I think it would be best if the osu!lazer version of Notelock was the current version instead.
well osu!lazer's version will become the normal version eventually and it'll probably still have a lot of changes, its not gonne be the same by the time osu!lazer releases
I dont totally agree, yes high star maps will be easier, since you will have less random misses, but notelock usually happen if you tap too soon (or perfect timing lol) the object after a miss, while doubletapping or mashing to pass a stacked stream isn't always going faster than the speed required, so if you miss because you're going too slow (even while mashing) it means that object already disappeared, or else you wouldnt miss it in the first place, and notelock happens while the object is still there. without notelock tho its way easier to hit spaced streams since you have to be less consistent. Then yes maps like yomi yori, sound chimera or even happy song would be immediately easier to pass.
The reason he can't change it is because all the scores that were affected in anyway from notelock would have to be rebalanced; doing something like that is almost impossible and it would affect almost all scores and pp. This is why notelock is being fixed in osu!lazer instead of stable because lazer is the future of osu
I think the best way to take care of this is to make 2 kinds of pp; notelock on, and notelock off. Along with a separate leaderboard for it to make thing a bit less harder for the community
so THIS is the reason why I felt like I clicked the circle but it still results in a miss. I thought my fingers weren't responding properly or something
I kinda like note lock being a thing, it taught me more than any other mechanic how to track maps, though it being aggressive like it is now kinda sucks, a good solution could be disable it when the next circle is in the perfect timing because at that time you are legitimately clicking the right circle
There should be a "notelock" option in the settings that you can toggle on and off (all lb and pp stays the same) and it would say (recommended for new players) so that if you are new you can have notelock and have all its effects, and if you toggle it off, after a miss you wont have to wait for the entity to disappear after you get a X. its a way of getting rid of notelock but it's optional
this literally does not make any sense. that would literally ruin every score ever, and besides, everyone would pick the option with the obvious advantage (no notelock)
the fact that taiko mode has it applied exactly the same way as it is also makes it much more difficult to recover when you miss from slipped taps during streams :( not to mention the orange timing window that shouldn't exist particularly in taiko because it actually registers correct hits within those windows as MISSES
Happens in mania too. But they call it column locking or finger locking. It's quite prevalent in chord jack maps when you accidentally press a column when there's no notes.
Ah, I was kind of expecting a reason why the naive solution doesn't work. Couldn't you simply count clicking on a locked note as a pseudo-hit, where it counts as a miss, but does unlock the next note in the sequence?
I was thinking clicking on a "locked" note hits it, but it turns all previous notes that were unhit into misses. I haven't seen the osu! code, and I'm pretty sure you haven't, so I'll just give peppy the benefit of the doubt and that there is something more complicated behind the osu! code that wouldn't allow peppy to simply change the code to remove notelock.
That wouldn't work because let's say you accidentally tap too many times on a pattern, you would miss for no reason simply because you tapped one too many times.
one of the only reasons why my favorite map is my favorite map, the hardest point, jumps are timed with the bpm perfectly so that if i missed I would barely have time to click the next note so I wouldn't notelock
Ive started palying Osu together with friends a few weeks ago and now I finally understand the situation where someone of us ( when were playing multiplayer ) is saying that their hits aren't registering..
Could you do a history of a mapper like sotarks or monstrata? I’d like to hear you talk about their history, I think it would be really interesting. I’ve always wanted to know more about mappers
well the reason it cant be implemented like a pp change is because the servers only save the data on misses, acc, combo, and score, saving every single replay would be quite stupid and since notelock is based on gameplay and not combo/acc/misses it cant be detected unless it is in the top 50 scores on that map, which would just fuck everything up.
First, my apologies if my writings is not the best because my English is not the best Maybe its only my theory and im agree Notelock maybe annoying but hold great purposes : The first mechanism To prevent playess clicking two circles in one tap when they re stacked. Removing this mechanic will make peppy and his team have to write another code for replacement, and this would make more problems than what is solved As an example there might be a lot of changes in players replay and 2b maps become fc able with 100% acc and some maps become bugged I mean changing this mechanism will make a lot of work and community will started to rage before they are finished fixing the bug Peppy might already know about this and didn't want to take that risk Hope that's answer why peppy keep noteblock existing and maybe he already tried to remove it but "it just doesn't work"
The problem is that it wouldn’t be like a pp change, because for most plays only the hit counts etc and not the mouse movement. You need the mouse movement to recalculate without note lock, so the information doesn’t exist for anything not on a leaderboard. There is no possibility of recalculating past plays with no note lock, but it could just be switched off and accepted. If there was a breaking change to the gameplay, I think it could be notelock being a function of AR and OD, going down with both. This makes it vanish much faster for hard maps but keeps it around for easier ones
implementing note lock would mean that some notelock misses that shouldnt have happened would still be there making those scores lower than they would be after the chage because you cant change that
After note lock - passive drain has to be the thing I hate most, in some hr maps you can literally not have enough circles to maintain even half hip in a slow section, he should just be tied to the amount of circles you do and don’t hit and in general hp does need a rework
I think it (notelock being removed) would break existing plays because if a replay has an instance of notelock, what would happen with that ? Idk just my thoughts
@@surv5k Oh shoot that comment probably came off as a bit aggressive it's just a bit late for me, sorry. I meant that you were totally correct Or maybe I'm just stupid idk I'm tired
Past scores/replays can be preserved even if fixing notelock for any future plays. It will give a SLIGHT advantage to future scores, but most good scores are FCs or close to FCs so not really.
on a programming side, there is no reason why this couldnt be done, ofcourse it will require some sort of workaround/system to recalculate the replays and i dont even wanna imagine the side effects a change like this could have on a legacy aplication like osu!. its probably just not worth it for him to make any big changes to standard with lazer coming up
note lock make learning how to stream very complicated. its more of a battle of learning how to avoid note lock at all costs then once you are good enough at avoiding note lock you can then learn how to stream properly
I personally like that notelock exists. If it didn't, i'm pretty sure we would get like 13* passes from top players, because you would have a lot more time to recover from the miss.
The reason why he isn't changing it is because he wants lazer to come out with it. Like peppy won't change anything with stable at all because anything new he want to add he will do it in lazer and he is probably lissening to the comunity but problem is that he just adds it to lazer and that will probably not come out in 2021 or even 2022
You click the circle to the beat at this game. I don't quite understand the "like-timer" part, I'm just gonna assume you're talking about the circle that make a cycle. That shows the length of the map, the longer the cycle the longer the map
lazer does have notelock and peppy said on twitter that unless people don't like the current notelock on lazer, he won't be changing it so it exists on lazer, it just not as strict and won't destroy your entire run because you missed 1 note in a stream, but you still can't click circles out of order on lazer
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everybody gansta till your note shakes "no" at you
false.
@@Triantalex false?
@@Triantalex its true tho
so fucking true
@@efrrun false!
That's a mechanic??? I thought I was just dumb.
Me too, always thought I was just off by an entire beat sometimes
never knew this was a thing just thought i was over tapping
@@TM_Acro omg same
@@TM_Acro same lol
Same
Don't worry, by the next eon, we'll have osu lazer amirite fellas
yes of course, it's just over the horizon
Ofc
lazer will come out when rrtyui decides to come back
i hope not, osu!mania in lazer has an almost exact copy of standard's hp system
@@sydosys agreed lol. Only thing good is there's more waveform in editor but other than that it's still sucked
As a programmer myself I want to point out another reason on why peppy is not able to change notelock.
I remember Peppy mentioned in some interview that the way he wrote code for osu stable was that he was only concerned about development speed but not about code quality and possibility of further changes, so over the years of development, this has brought osu stable to the point where making ANY changes to the game can result in unpredictable behavior, breaking everything and bugs all over the place. So sonsidering this, not only this change will break all existing scores but the development cost will be enormous.
This is also the reason for why osu lazer exist and osu stable is put into sort of maintenance mode now, which means that changes are made only if absolutely necessary(e.g. game crashes, critical bugs)
P.S. English is not my native language, sorry if I made mistakes
this is too relatable lmao
You explained it well, this needs to be seen by more people
This is also how osu!Lazer soonTM became the meme
Well, osu’s just a remake for that old japanese ds game
pepeSad
I didn't even know this mechanic existed, I just thought after one missed note in a stream I just fuck up consistently
Yeah, I thought I was keeping pace with the beat from a misaligned starting point
@@euc5957 YES
I took it as a punish lmao
I am fairly sure that it would be far more complicated than a regular pp rebalance. The only thing PP rebalances really do is rerun an algorithm on already determined scores. Changing notelock would not only require a pp recalculation for every map, but also overriding replays, miss counts, 50 counts, 100 counts, and 300 counts. Reworking notelock means changing the nature of already existing scores (if possible) would require magnitudes more processing power than an ordinary pp rework.
why would it change the scores at all, the misses would still be there even without notelock
@@MecoJoeyRamone What sort of rework are you talking about? I'm saying that if you removed notelock altogether, certain scores that got misses but correctly aimed and tapped would end up having fewer misses.
and it's not even possible to override all replays because osu! only store top 1000 replays on any map, so for example merami's mou ii kai choke won't be recalculated, and (almost) every low 6-digit top plays are basically gone.
@@jaklgs7190 um, no? why would they feel the need to manipulate scores like that? it's unnecessary as fuck and would break everything. old scores that got notelock misses should be left untouched, no need to run a script to recalculate them.
The reason peppy is reluctant to change notelock, imo, is that it would give an unfair advantage to newer scores over old scores, this mentality he has of not wanting to change anything to preserve leaderboards is really lame, at this point he should just make a legacy leaderboard or something, and an option to play with such a mode, and without it you can play with newer mechanics. This way we can get actual game fixes and updates, and you don't mess with the leaderboards.
What would happen if you play the replay file of 0:07 on a version of osu! that removed notelocks?
Because depending on how replay files work, it would either play normally like you know it's from the old version, or it would actually hit what's supposed to be notelocked resulting in the replay score being different from what is recorded, breaking the scores
Actually true, RIP my 200pp play that turned into 80pp after 3 notelocks in the row...
That's still higher than my top play lmfao
@@cedrick25 that's so weird, when I was doing 80pp plays or less I didn't even know what "pp" was, lol. It wasn't until much later when I started caring. I probably should have never started caring, oof
@@Mekudan trueee
od kdy hraješ osu! ? xd
Didn't think i would see you here
Notelock is like a math problem: you miss the first step, you miss the whole.
True
Ecf
Kids! Always remember to check your work!!!
Yea that happened to me a bunch of times...
Sometimes when I got the wrong result I realized that it's all because of just one tiny mistake I made,
*after I've tried a quadrillion methods to see if I got the right result..*
“Get good”
-ppy
"Play other modes"
Noone
"play taiko"
-me
"play all modes for fun"
-me
what the hell happened with your name
BRO I THOUGHT I WAS JUST TERRIBLE I HAVE ALWAYS HEARD OF NOTELOCK BUT NEVER KNEW WHAT IT WAS
YOU PROBABLY ARE TERRIBLE DONT WORRY ABOUT NOTELOCK WORRY ABOUT CLICKING CIRCLES
@Jaden Dobbs IDFK
When you fingerlock a note in a stream, you notelock the whole stream
what I said, that is why I hate note locking.
I thought he was going to talk about sliderbreaking XD
Fax
As a sudden death player, I take that personally.
@@mercce6750 Sliderbreaks are the bane of my existence as a HR player.
@@mercce6750 Defining my past (SD player before)
What is the point of sliders then?
Hey, loved the video. Recently started getting good enough at the game to get notelocked, so I understand the hate. That aside, I'll take this opportunity of being somewhat early to say how much I love your videos. They're so high quality and professional looking and should get more attention. The topics are also always really interesting. Keep up the good work!
i think something people are forgetting is that osu lazer WILL BE the main osu client, just completely revamped to be better in general, so yes he does want to change it, and he isnt too lazy, because he actively is changing it
Agreed, and changing it now would ruin scores that have been set on the game in the last 14 years. Like, why change it now, when the new game is already being developed?
We'll see in 10 years when lazer is released
@@BigDBrian score submission should actually happen this year :)
@PrinZ KittY that is not at all what peppy ever said. he said that by 2017 lazer will be released. which actually happened. lazer has been released since 2017 the same way that osu stable was released in 2007. there will probably never be a proper "release". lazer will just replace stable over time, it's been said that even after lazer replaces stable officialy, stable will still be supported for years (like the 2015 stable-fallback is to this day)
@@janmalicek6914 the only problem fallback has is that you can't submit a score for every single map, but there's millions so it shouldn't be that big of a burden
0:09 abyssal's Kami no Kotoba run in a nutshell
that was literally a total bruhmoment lmao
"when a feature in the game is hated, the game is hated"
- the entire gaming community
this is not the slightest bit true
@@uaekappa its probably a reference to something we dont know
@@funl it’s a reference to note lock in his opinion lol
this is correct, every osu player hates osu but still plays due to addiction to circle clicking
@@Kapparapa incorrect
“not the best track record when it comes to research” made me laugh a little. also the production quality is getting real nice
Hi evin
so true
@@nancygong5507 hi nancy
@@flapsical omg hi fean osu master i’m ur biggest fan
@@flapsical hi
hey man I appreciate your videos! small note I've noticed in the past couple videos is that you seem to be peaking your mic at the beginning of sentences (notably the yomi yori where you went above 0 dB at the beginnings of a lot sentences). if you don't already, use normalization on audio and set it to around -3 dB (which is the recommended commentator dB level). besides that nice video as always :)
he always peaked, everyone just used to it at this point lol
Yeah it's almost like a signature move
or just use a 1 click soft clipper
Notelock is like the opposite of bug:
It's not a feature, it's a bug
When you said you don't have the best track record for research that kinda made me sad, I think the videos you make require a lot of effort and making mistakes just comes with the craft.
Here's to more awesome BruhmasterL content.
SO THIS IS WHY I ALWAYS FAIL ON SOME SONGS EVEN IF IM HITTING IT PERFECTLY
Problem: Notelock
What triggers the problem: Miss
Solution: Don't miss :DD
So this is what's keeping me as a hard stuck 7 digit
Lmao
Same?
For real, notelock was one of the main reasons that makes me stop playing Osu!. I started getting mad almost every time when that happened, i just wasnt having fun on Osu anymore
If notelock didn't exist, I think the star pass medals would become worthless and higher star maps relatively just easily passable by mashing. Although I do dislike notelock, I think it would be best if the osu!lazer version of Notelock was the current version instead.
Lazer has no notelock lol
as if you cant already mash 9* hidamari lolo
well osu!lazer's version will become the normal version eventually and it'll probably still have a lot of changes, its not gonne be the same by the time osu!lazer releases
I dont totally agree, yes high star maps will be easier, since you will have less random misses, but notelock usually happen if you tap too soon (or perfect timing lol) the object after a miss, while doubletapping or mashing to pass a stacked stream isn't always going faster than the speed required, so if you miss because you're going too slow (even while mashing) it means that object already disappeared, or else you wouldnt miss it in the first place, and notelock happens while the object is still there. without notelock tho its way easier to hit spaced streams since you have to be less consistent. Then yes maps like yomi yori, sound chimera or even happy song would be immediately easier to pass.
"Lets not remove a system that punishes good scores bc of medals that can be cheesed anyway"
Lol, nice quick video. I like the shorter more simple videos every once and a while. Keep up the great work, BruhmasterL!!
Abyssal is the literal meaning of "if note lock was a person"
I just gave up playing rn cause of notelock then see this video in my fyp straight away, youtube knows what they doing
Have you tried lazer? As he said in the video, notelock is so much more lenient there. It still exists, I honestly forget it does.
your videos are gettin waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better mate, keep up the good work
It's hated but needed
yes, but not the way it was implemented
2:36 so, lets get into why Nl0Kc is actually th most hated system in osu
Even though it’s necessary, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wanted to punch a hole in my laptop cause of the notelock
The reason he can't change it is because all the scores that were affected in anyway from notelock would have to be rebalanced; doing something like that is almost impossible and it would affect almost all scores and pp. This is why notelock is being fixed in osu!lazer instead of stable because lazer is the future of osu
This has happened to me before but I didn't know what happened. Good explanation, really well thought out and easy to follow!
The actual most hated mechanic is actually the "see you next time" when closing the game, because it means you cant quit
You can turn that off in the settings!
I think the best way to take care of this is to make 2 kinds of pp; notelock on, and notelock off. Along with a separate leaderboard for it to make thing a bit less harder for the community
this is the equivalent of joycon drift
Now i know why note's were shaking when i tap them at the beat
You dont need to tell why its hated
Because we already know the pain
love your videos! how do you publish so often! you are the summoning salt of osu. keep up the good work
0:20 where can I find this skin?
so THIS is the reason why I felt like I clicked the circle but it still results in a miss. I thought my fingers weren't responding properly or something
Yo what is that skin at 0:22
Notelock, a bigger adversary than slider breaks
Love the skin at the 00:21 second mark, does anyone know what it's called or where cam find a download
I kinda like note lock being a thing, it taught me more than any other mechanic how to track maps, though it being aggressive like it is now kinda sucks, a good solution could be disable it when the next circle is in the perfect timing because at that time you are legitimately clicking the right circle
I agree with your statement
Notelock should only occur for maybe a note or two and automatically reset
note lock saved my FC once.
There should be a "notelock" option in the settings that you can toggle on and off (all lb and pp stays the same) and it would say (recommended for new players) so that if you are new you can have notelock and have all its effects, and if you toggle it off, after a miss you wont have to wait for the entity to disappear after you get a X. its a way of getting rid of notelock but it's optional
this literally does not make any sense. that would literally ruin every score ever, and besides, everyone would pick the option with the obvious advantage (no notelock)
the fact that taiko mode has it applied exactly the same way as it is also makes it much more difficult to recover when you miss from slipped taps during streams :( not to mention the orange timing window that shouldn't exist particularly in taiko because it actually registers correct hits within those windows as MISSES
so many cool skins used in this video
No gasha in the notelock video.....
Way to tackle the topics Etienne laid out in the podcast. When are the critique videos coming out?
the one with tokaku?
Happens in mania too. But they call it column locking or finger locking. It's quite prevalent in chord jack maps when you accidentally press a column when there's no notes.
Ah, I was kind of expecting a reason why the naive solution doesn't work. Couldn't you simply count clicking on a locked note as a pseudo-hit, where it counts as a miss, but does unlock the next note in the sequence?
I was thinking clicking on a "locked" note hits it, but it turns all previous notes that were unhit into misses.
I haven't seen the osu! code, and I'm pretty sure you haven't, so I'll just give peppy the benefit of the doubt and that there is something more complicated behind the osu! code that wouldn't allow peppy to simply change the code to remove notelock.
Why can't you just expire the hitbox of the previous circle on click? Wouldn't that just fix the problem?
this would prevent mashing and double tapping too, we need this. probably not too good for 2b maps tho xd
wait that's where a notelock toggle would come in play
That wouldn't work because let's say you accidentally tap too many times on a pattern, you would miss for no reason simply because you tapped one too many times.
Ye, I think the best solution is just the note lock toggle
Since mapping is so diverse
Prolly gonna have to wait for ppy to finish lazer
one of the only reasons why my favorite map is my favorite map, the hardest point, jumps are timed with the bpm perfectly so that if i missed I would barely have time to click the next note so I wouldn't notelock
i think that peppy at least doing something to try to fix it is actually pretty cool
This happened to me when I played monster I suck so I can’t rly hit it wel but I skipped one note and couldn’t hit a single note after
i like the new style of your videos
Every time I see a circle shake a little while aiming a dense pattern in an FC run my heartrate spikes
Note lock also makes learning how to stream much harder
Ive started palying Osu together with friends a few weeks ago and now I finally understand the situation where someone of us ( when were playing multiplayer ) is saying that their hits aren't registering..
Could you do a history of a mapper like sotarks or monstrata? I’d like to hear you talk about their history, I think it would be really interesting. I’ve always wanted to know more about mappers
That explains why square jumps are so hard and why I don't recover from mixed notes.
Once you miss, you're dead.
history of BruhmasterL
I see, so that's why I can't FC galaxy collapse with DT HR while blind folded and hearing gospel music.
well the reason it cant be implemented like a pp change is because the servers only save the data on misses, acc, combo, and score, saving every single replay would be quite stupid and since notelock is based on gameplay and not combo/acc/misses it cant be detected unless it is in the top 50 scores on that map, which would just fuck everything up.
miss once, miss forever
there is no escape
Whenever I note lock I’ve taught myself to just double tap to get it gone lol
(Works most of the time depending on the map)
yes
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@@Sahlokniir thanks!
First, my apologies if my writings is not the best because my English is not the best
Maybe its only my theory and im agree Notelock maybe annoying but hold great purposes :
The first mechanism To prevent playess clicking two circles in one tap when they re stacked. Removing this mechanic will make peppy and his team have to write another code for replacement, and this would make more problems than what is solved
As an example there might be a lot of changes in players replay and 2b maps become fc able with 100% acc and some maps become bugged
I mean changing this mechanism will make a lot of work and community will started to rage before they are finished fixing the bug
Peppy might already know about this and didn't want to take that risk
Hope that's answer why peppy keep noteblock existing and maybe he already tried to remove it but "it just doesn't work"
My personal things that I hate about osu is HP Drain. I would rather have a HP system that had no drain but misses were highly punished
The problem is that it wouldn’t be like a pp change, because for most plays only the hit counts etc and not the mouse movement. You need the mouse movement to recalculate without note lock, so the information doesn’t exist for anything not on a leaderboard. There is no possibility of recalculating past plays with no note lock, but it could just be switched off and accepted. If there was a breaking change to the gameplay, I think it could be notelock being a function of AR and OD, going down with both. This makes it vanish much faster for hard maps but keeps it around for easier ones
I thought I was just trash, now I will blame the Notelock
i've been enlightned.
thank you
implementing note lock would mean that some notelock misses that shouldnt have happened would still be there making those scores lower than they would be after the chage because you cant change that
After note lock - passive drain has to be the thing I hate most, in some hr maps you can literally not have enough circles to maintain even half hip in a slow section, he should just be tied to the amount of circles you do and don’t hit and in general hp does need a rework
I didn't know about this mechanic, always thought once I missed that one note that I became off rhythm
I love note lock. It reminds me that Im trash every day.
When i try highest diff on fool moon night with relax my PC got an earthquake
I think it (notelock being removed) would break existing plays because if a replay has an instance of notelock, what would happen with that ? Idk just my thoughts
That's exactly what peppy means
@@ValoriYT ah
@@surv5k Oh shoot that comment probably came off as a bit aggressive it's just a bit late for me, sorry. I meant that you were totally correct
Or maybe I'm just stupid idk I'm tired
@@ValoriYT lolol its ok
Past scores/replays can be preserved even if fixing notelock for any future plays.
It will give a SLIGHT advantage to future scores, but most good scores are FCs or close to FCs so not really.
Notelock on high AR maps is literally one of the most irritating things on planet earth
on a programming side, there is no reason why this couldnt be done, ofcourse it will require some sort of workaround/system to recalculate the replays and i dont even wanna imagine the side effects a change like this could have on a legacy aplication like osu!. its probably just not worth it for him to make any big changes to standard with lazer coming up
Biggest ppy call out I've ever seen dude, you're wild! Hahahahah
abyssal is #1 at notelock
shige tapping senketsu no chikai with so much hate I can feel the keyboard dying
yes
note lock make learning how to stream very complicated. its more of a battle of learning how to avoid note lock at all costs then once you are good enough at avoiding note lock you can then learn how to stream properly
I personally hate slider breaking more
just remove misses, choke and bad acc from the game peppy. God damnit
@@agarpubg4643 To be fair, 50s and 100s shouldn't even be in the game, if every hit no matter the timing was a 300 my acc would be so much better.
@SimplyMelons brain issue
And this is why people nowadays don't play stream maps if they're also able to pass jump maps
i literally thought there was something wrong with my playing but i couldnt figure out what it was
I personally like that notelock exists. If it didn't, i'm pretty sure we would get like 13* passes from top players, because you would have a lot more time to recover from the miss.
Pov: you have never played a map above 180bpm
I decided to play a map in the middle of watching this and notelocked on a stream, I'm so upset
0:47
Notes which have numbers on them: “am i a joke to you?”
Great thumbnail !
Baguette
i find notelock pretty useful since i have a lot of fcs that notelock saved from the miss
The reason why he isn't changing it is because he wants lazer to come out with it. Like peppy won't change anything with stable at all because anything new he want to add he will do it in lazer and he is probably lissening to the comunity but problem is that he just adds it to lazer and that will probably not come out in 2021 or even 2022
Can I know, I new to this game(but watch many gameplay without understand a single thing) what like-timer at top left corner thing......?
You click the circle to the beat at this game. I don't quite understand the "like-timer" part, I'm just gonna assume you're talking about the circle that make a cycle. That shows the length of the map, the longer the cycle the longer the map
Had to tab out from the vid and keep the audio, it hurts to watch so many notelock clips 😂
what is the skin for 3:10?
I wanna know too
lazer does have notelock and peppy said on twitter that unless people don't like the current notelock on lazer, he won't be changing it
so it exists on lazer, it just not as strict and won't destroy your entire run because you missed 1 note in a stream, but you still can't click circles out of order on lazer