ESO Why "Make Your Own Build" is Terrible Advice

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  • @Nightharrow
    @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Just had someone point out to me that this could be misconstrued. My mentioning people saying "make your own build" has to do with this subject, but nothing to do with Xynode. I have no idea if he has ever said something like that or not, it is just some poor advice that I have seen in several different places whenever people have been asking for build advice/help.
    And again, just to be crystal clear, Im largely agreeing with Xynode here, and not trying to pick any kind of fight, so please dont get it twisted. I realize if you dont ever watch my channel, you might get the wrong idea. Im about bringing the community together, not further segmenting it into the "us vs them" mentality.

    • @dasyeah2695
      @dasyeah2695 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      should be clear when listenting and understanding what you say in the video^^. Ppl will misunderstand if they want to tho , thats how it is sadly

  • @wrayk
    @wrayk ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Fortunately for casual players that just do overland content, make your own build is fine. When I got into trials and saw how poorly I was doing, I knew it was time to tap into other people's knowledge. I love that you and other end-game content creators share their builds.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats a great point. I find it very comparable to leagues in organized group sports. I think a little more help for people to realize that would be helpful because I don’t think everyone is quite so aware as you are.
      Even a difficulty tier list in game of the various dungeons would be useful.

  • @oaksf9252
    @oaksf9252 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A little story about Xynode build: In one of my guilds someone wrote : " LFM 1H CA Trifecta " And ofc I got excited that there are players I could join and get that very hard trifecta done. So I joined and the tank couldnt handle the first boss fight ( he was on a Templar, which ofc isnt meta, but I gave him the benfit of the doubt ) After some training attempts I asked him which sets he was wearing, cause i checked /cmx and couldnt see some buffs that I would like to see for the group. Turns out he used the " Lazy Tank " from Xynode. And honestly I blame Xynode here, because he makes people believe that his fun builds are actually legit.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      Ugh, yeah, I think that build is supposed to just hold block, keep taunt, and that’s it… kind of in the name, definitely not what you want in difficult content.
      Kind of an aside, but templars are actually good now as tanks now. Crazy I know since they were so bad for so long. Lol

  • @lonniepeck285
    @lonniepeck285 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a new player, I wish ESO had an examine feature so you can examine other player's builds afterwards. I can see how it would be used as an "elitist" feature, but ive still had groups ask me to give a full feature list of my build in vet trials anyways. XD

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, on pc you can run logs and they will tell you. I’ve used them to check people’s gear and get an idea of how much they know. It’s usually fairly indicative of how much experience someone has.
      Interesting to hear you would like the feature just for convenience. Thanks for dropping a comment.

    • @MrDoggson
      @MrDoggson 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its absurd that we cant get inspect, its such a basic thing in games with loot. But apparently its the most toxic thing in the world to the ESO crowd, once you step up from just using basic attacks in overland you will get told what to run anyway.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, a lot of folks feel that way, and more than just the esoteric crowd don’t like it and say it causes toxicity.
      It would be a nice feature though, and there are plenty of ways to deal with the toxicity issue, just requires a bit of imagination.

  • @c7syrinxt1
    @c7syrinxt1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think you make a valid point and the “knowledge base” you refer to, is a real thing. I love theory crafting and spending millions a month on builds and gear, that I eventually just throw to the slaughter fish, but that’s what increases my “knowledge base”. But you are correct in my opinion that a player that doesn’t have the time or in game money and or doesn’t care to spend the time to build their “knowledge base” a build guild from a “knowledgeable” player, is very valuable.😎👍 o7

  • @II_Ncognito_II
    @II_Ncognito_II ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gotta say after failing to get my templar going I went back and my own build and I put up damn good numbers and not have to worry about have to grind for hours for sweaty sets

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice. Was that one of my Templar builds? Would welcome any feedback you have for me if so, or any feedback on what worked/didn’t work for you in general.

  • @xxmurdabiznessxx9374
    @xxmurdabiznessxx9374 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes but the problem with a lot of “end gamers” is if you aren’t running what they want you can’t come even if you hit 90k+

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, that’s fair. Many want you in optimal sets, even if just running veteran content where it isn’t needed for the group. I run into that a fair amount. But there are plenty of us reasonable people out there as well, so come join us! The guild is pc/na if you happen to be as well.

    • @xxmurdabiznessxx9374
      @xxmurdabiznessxx9374 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope ps/na

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      :( well I hope you find some cool people, they are out there.

  • @judsdragon
    @judsdragon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the thing is as with most things in life its always the loudest voices that get the most attention regardless of whether what they say is relevant or not, iv never been a maker of builds in any of the mmorpgs iv played what i tend to do is have ideas for builds based on interesting sets iv seen or preferred weapons/skills/classes etc but just wanna try something different, i look for these on youtube or something similar and then i adapt it to my playstyle, im not a vet trial trifecta runner so i have a lot more flexibility in my builds than those guys especially cos i like soloing a lot and those dummy humpers aint made for walking alone, figure out what u wanna do in the game ie tank, heal, dps, but also what content u wanna do whether its solo questing, dungeoneering or veteran trials and everything inbetween and try to find a build that suits those requirements and try different things with it to see what works for u as we all play just a little bit differently

  • @suelliott3980
    @suelliott3980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You make a good point about understanding kinds of damage. I can get so impressed by the damage done by a skill until I see that it just says magic damage. And then I'm thinking 'what does that mean?' Does that mean your magic doesn't work as well because it's damaged? Can you die from magic damage? How does it differ from physical damage? Is one preferable over the other? Then of course there is Oblivion damage, which is supposed to be great because you can't block it. (BTW, this is Veluccia, thought I should check out your channel)

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey Veluccia! Glad you dropped bye!

  • @zedorian6547
    @zedorian6547 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The problem is that when I follow the builds that “work” I am completely ripped out of my personal class fantasy of what I am playing which in turn makes me absolutely hate playing the game as a whole. So I get where you are coming from, but for me all I hear is “go play something else”.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      What is your personal class fantasy?

  • @II_Ncognito_II
    @II_Ncognito_II ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok let's simplify eso you either do your own thing or be a yes man

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s not what you do with any kind of learning, so idk why you would need to do it with ESO. That’s like saying “I either invent my own way of doing things or I do exactly what everyone else does and never think for my self”. Sounds crazy when you say it that way right?

    • @II_Ncognito_II
      @II_Ncognito_II 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No not at all people just need to learn to handle things from there own faults and failures not listening to some pc players that can't play a simple game without addons/mods but trying to tell other people how to play

  • @roberthardin5944
    @roberthardin5944 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would not suggest making your own build for vet content unless you have the large knowledge base Nightharrow is talking about. However, if you have an idea for a build that you'd like to run there are usually some people in most of the ESO guild discords that are willing to take a look and work with you to get it preforming as well as it can. At least that's been my experience.

    • @xboxgamerz22
      @xboxgamerz22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tell me your best 1 bar build that do a lot of damage without trials.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s a great point, I should have invited everyone to come theory craft with us.

    • @roberthardin5944
      @roberthardin5944 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xboxgamerz22 right now my warden is rocking Frostbite, Pariah, Oakensoul, and 1 pc Slimecraw. It's doing a lot of damage for how tanky it is.

    • @xboxgamerz22
      @xboxgamerz22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @roberthardin5944 pariah the heavy set right because im using frostbite like similar set as your but im trying to get another set that has to do with ice for warden.

    • @xboxgamerz22
      @xboxgamerz22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@roberthardin5944 i forgot to ask is velothi mythic worth it?

  • @freetality7236
    @freetality7236 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Xynode is a joke to anyone who actually plays real end game content... You wont hear a single person with any respectable trial trifectas say Xynode knows anything about this game... He is probably one of the worst things to have happen to ESO and I can explain why... Thousands of people see his builds and take his advice on how to approach the ESO community... This results in thousands of people walking around with horrible builds who cant do their role... It also results in people regurgitating his nonsense.. such as "any build is good if it works for you" and more... which is just unequivocally untrue... If you apply it to simple things like basic vet clears than maybe... however... lets be honest... he applies it to harder content like trial trifectas, dungeon trifectas, solo arena trifectas and more... His builds are horrible, his advice on how to approach the community is horrible and he probably has zero respectable trial trifectas but feels he has the ability to teach others how to play... How can he try and teach people how to play and get better while also saying gems like "dont track your dps because its unnecessary"... He is not only toxic in his own behavior but undoubtably has caused thousands of people to be toxic/bad at the game instead of reconciling the fact they are not very good and could be better... Anyways tldr: Xynode is bad for the game community and has trash builds. Go follow a build guide from someone who actually does end game content...

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think a lot of people in end game would agree with you, and a lot of Xynode fans would rage at you. As a content creator I don’t really want to get involved in that way so I’ll just leeave it at that.
      I do appreciate you dropping a comment and providing the reasoning behind how you feel.

  • @k-3402
    @k-3402 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. The content creators that cater to casuals should always qualify their recommendations, IMO. Creative off-meta builds are fine, but when you get into harder content, the most important thing is to make yourself an asset to your group.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks K-3, I appreciate it.

  • @MichaelMcDonald20
    @MichaelMcDonald20 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ahh, good old xynode.... The man who had people tanking in leeching plate and batallion defender for years.

  • @froggmoe68
    @froggmoe68 ปีที่แล้ว

    100% on point with creating your own build is fun but is generally not advised for end-game content. The "not everything is viable" is a hard pill to swallow with the way ESO is built (there are a few other pills as well (*cough* *cough* ping *cough* parsing *cough* weave time)). On the other hand that hasn't stopped me from creating my own "unique" builds of a runecarver mag dk and point-blank snipe bow-den, you just need to know WHAT the limitations of your build are to make it work e.g. runecarver dk sucks for high burst damage in trash fights/dps checks but having a nice easy 5k damage from runecarver proccing 3 times per second in Cloudrest, is nice.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice. Yeah, in hindsight I should have invited everyone to come theory craft with us.

    • @froggmoe68
      @froggmoe68 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Nightharrow Overall this video had more of the point aimed at ESO creators encouraging bad group content builds and overhyping them to unsuspecting players.
      It's never too late to make a part 2 to go further into detail about this. Could be a fun way to show case fun builds, show their strengths and weaknesses.
      P.S love the content, started getting into vet raid leading from your guides to create some fun events in some guilds. Still a bit messy but we're getting our clears and having fun at the end of the day :D

  • @DS-lk3tx
    @DS-lk3tx ปีที่แล้ว

    I joined the game and made my own characters with minimal help. Two of them ended up naturally being meta builds and the other four are a mess. 😂
    Ive managed 87k dps so far. Pretty ok.
    Now im 100% just grabbing someones youtube build. 😂😂

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha so 1/3 is the success rate, not bad really, considering all the options. I’m guessing you are someone who reads all the tool tips?

  • @mattik1924
    @mattik1924 ปีที่แล้ว

    the problem with "generic" advice like that, is that it doesnt factor in that what people enjoy in a game, is vastly different from person to person.
    Such advise is built around the cocept of "success" and "time-efficiency", which is surely a relevant factor for a couple of people but probably not that many, when you look at how much of the game is designed around story- or exploration- type players.
    And i would guess, that for those who see pvp or vet dungeons or trials as a "i could look into it when i feel im invested enough-type of content", creating their own builds independent of, if these are good builds or bad builds, is probably a big part of the fun the game has to offer.
    there are alot of people who only start to want to be "successful" after they are already invested. and that investment will come for many after a period of time where you just have fun and play around with stuff.
    so actually i would tell the average player to make their own builds and see if they have fun creating their own stuff. and if they do.... they will look eventually into external resources for a more of min max approach and probably become lasting members of the playerbase.
    buti agree that they are too many useless and almost identical sets that just dont enrich buildcrafting at all.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the issues lies in there being somewhere close to 650 sets in the game, most of them garbage, and that the game has literally hidden mechanics that a new person won’t know about.
      Proper game design would suggest you guide people towards some reasonable choices and help them learn the game. ESO doesn’t do that though, so it’s kind of an impossible task.

  • @jamesmoriarty2001
    @jamesmoriarty2001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The people that think "my own" build is okay are the same folks that show to heal harder vet trial content in Worm's Raiment and Mother's Sorrow.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I remember that being an issue in vSS back when dps was lower. Once you get that second set of atros, most new groups wouldn’t make it.

  • @AmorphisBob
    @AmorphisBob ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think what people mean by "make our own build" is that 99% of the content in ESO is so hilariously easy that you could slap some inconsistent abilities on your bar, throw on whatever mismatched gear you got, miss your burst windows, let your dots and buffs fall off etc and you will still likely crush it. The problem arises when the noob tries to take "his own build" into endgame content which is such a high difficulty spike that it may as well be a completely separate game.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a great point. Any build will work in much of the content as you say, you barely need to have your monitor turned on.

  • @cookingkoalas1380
    @cookingkoalas1380 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video has my signature of approval.
    Well said Night Harrow 😊

  • @Equerd
    @Equerd ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally someone said that. So tired of DDs with 30k hp and resto staff on trials, I really wish we could have an option to look up someone EQ while in the group

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      Once did a 1 tank, 1 healer pug vSS and we were struggling to not get overwhelmed by atros spawning… Dps kept offering to find a healer or swap to a tank, not understanding that the problem was we where getting 3+ sets of atros every ground phase… we had 10 Dps and still needed more.

  • @juliomrrr
    @juliomrrr ปีที่แล้ว

    Not only that most sets are not good...but Thier is a ton of duplicate sets. ESO just needs a Scorecard and all this Dummy humping will go out the window.

  • @clash505
    @clash505 ปีที่แล้ว

    👏 👏👏

  • @ExoScrolls
    @ExoScrolls ปีที่แล้ว

    Good points, completely agree with u, but as much as I respect Xynode just wish he was a bit more grounded, sigh.

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I only say this because I think he would agree that he does this (it’s kind of obvious) but the rage baiting isn’t my favorite. I would much rather bring people together and help them see the other sides pov than stir the pot of resentment unnecessarily.

  • @dustinmerrill1952
    @dustinmerrill1952 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hate copy paste

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you under the impression that’s what end game players do, or do you mean simply copying a build with no changes?
      I’m guessing the later? The good news is you don’t have to, and you can still have a lot of choices that are either all optimal, or close enough.

  • @GKNOWBODIES
    @GKNOWBODIES ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you name some of these content creators that give bad advice??

    • @erikdandurand3124
      @erikdandurand3124 ปีที่แล้ว

      Virtually all of them.

    • @GKNOWBODIES
      @GKNOWBODIES ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@erikdandurand3124so basically even this dude ?

    • @erikdandurand3124
      @erikdandurand3124 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GKNOWBODIES you will have to decide. I will say that Xynode basically said something that struck his and every other content creators core, which was don’t follow their advice make your own thing. This eff’s with the money. That’s why there is a reaction. Personally I watch these guys for entertainment sometimes but I don’t actually follow their builds. You have to account for a couple of things when making a build, what are you trying to accomplish and how do I actually play? No two two gamers are exactly alike, some dodge better and some light attack better etc etc. You need to figure out yourself and adjust your build to compensate for that.

    • @erikdandurand3124
      @erikdandurand3124 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a quick addition, if they keep putting out new builds over and over, they aren’t taking the time to perfect a build, it’s a click bait build. This goes doubly if it’s a PvP build.

    • @GKNOWBODIES
      @GKNOWBODIES ปีที่แล้ว

      @@erikdandurand3124 end of the day it’s all about the money 🤦‍♂️

  • @TheStygianKing
    @TheStygianKing ปีที่แล้ว

    Not everyone even plays the same, I see arcanists using heavy attack builds, doing 6k dps. All because some guy said " Unkillable". Healers with 55K hp. Look just mix mother of sorrows with pretty much any other set in the game. Call it a build if ya want. and it will prolly be nerfed next week beacause everyone is using it.
    Great Video, always a great point of view

  • @runkorko
    @runkorko ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wont agree. You dont need to test everything to be sure which one will work. Meta copy is the worst thuing in the game

    • @Nightharrow
      @Nightharrow  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It kind of seems like we agree. Either that or I’m missing something. Or maybe you mean won’t hold you back from completing content? Then I guess we have different goals but I probably wouldn’t disagree.

  • @ryuzakikazeshini4012
    @ryuzakikazeshini4012 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ESO is braindead easy and yet majority of the playerbase loves mediocrity. their "play how you want" mentality is absolutely sickening lol