Honestly, I find Martellus betrayal to be one of those funny situation where Martellus realizes that no one was a traitor, so instead of making a fool of himself by displaying a no named random bloodraven to be the traitor, he instead chooses to be one and make a total show of it by going all out.
I think Martellus is kind of like a "Bonus" boss in this sense: he fights you only if you kept everyone from falling to Chaos, and he has the toughest fight of the traitors. Assuming a fresh playthrough it is unlikely that you will get Martellus as your traitor
Hes the only one that fully embraces chaos. Everyone else is like "oh this is for the good of everyone, im not telling the Black Legion youre here, blah blah" wheras he gets right into it
Let me bring my Predator that stole a battle cannon from a Lemun Russ and armored like a Baneblade while calling in Basalisk artillery fire while running you over like an ork battle wagon. Because reasons. Seriously that is a nasty predator.
When I fought him, I retreated to heal my men, in order to take advantage of not having my men around Martellus, I order the Captains Bombardment (not the artillery one) and it ended up blowing him up. It was funny because when the cutscene happened, the CSM who weren't hit by the bombardment started shooting at my men during the cutscene.
Oh so that is how you get the alternate endings? Honestly I found the corrupted weapons to be kinda meh so my men never got corrupted. Nothing really "Tempted" me.
Aside from Jonah (who doesn't count either because it's the daemon possessing him talking), Martellus sounds the most evil as the traitor. And yes, he's ridiculously hard as a boss, I won by sending Aramus in close combat while calling an orbital bombardment over the melee. :D
Tarkus and Cyrus were the most sad for me. But Cyrus betrayal is technically the stupidest there - how the hell is this edgelord suppose to whip 4 squads of LEGENDARY experts of warfare in TERMINATOR ARMOR AND SACRED WEAPONRY of many Chapters around the Imperium with just some landmines and sniper rifle?
Storywise, his betrayal made sense to me. Him getting stuck on Typhon for so long and getting corrupted is not hard to imagine. But in the end, finding out his betrayal boils down to "Oh I helped them find out the betrayer. How did they figure out it's me?"
there should have been an achievement called "Deathwing Assault" for deploying your entire force in terminator armor. seeing as a lot of people enjoy doin it
Martellus sounded as evil as Sindri when he went traitor. it really left me reeling with shock and a little fear, considering how calm and collected he was when reading out his reports and his do thises and do thats
Good point I had forgotten about that, Avitus always struck me as slightly too into bloodshed and destruction even during the Tyranid campaign in DoW 2 as well.
Except most people aren't smart enough to understand that tactic, making them either dumb-asses (no offense) or feel that it would be too easy to take out a tank using a weapon designed to destroy armored vehicles.
NakedSnake1836 But you don't need to be taking it specifically for this fight. You should be taking Davian Cool on all your missions. I'd seriously replace the force commander with him if i could.
NakedSnake1836 Tarkus can take a melta. Avitus only gets heavy bolters, missile launchers and lascannons. The reason the multimelta is so good on thule is that he gets the melta sweep ability (erase everything in a 90 degree arc in front of you) and he can get close enough to use it because his melee abilities are so strong, particularly is ground pound ability that sends enemies flying, destroys cover, stuns vehicles and hits everyone around him. He also tanks like a boss, can self repair and act as mobile cover and rally point for the squad. Dude's a beast.
That's because both Cyrus and Martellus (as well as Eliphas) are voiced by Steve Blum. It's a common thing in the DoW series that 2-3 (or even more) different characters are voiced by the same person.
For all the betrayals in terms of which ones were best written and had the most compelling reasons that fit the character: Avitus had the best reason because he finally realized the truth of Warhammer 40K, in the grim dark there is only war. He is right about it all being pointless, endless slaughter for the amusement of the gods and having had a role in the unjustified slaughter of the Imperial Guard on Kronus would shake anyone's faith. He also showed gradual signs of his sanity slipping over the course of Dawn of War 2 and Chaos Rising. This one is canon because it makes the most sense and has no plot-holes. Jonah is 2nd because he never made the choice, but was instead forced by a demon against which he had no defense due to mental exhaustion against the hive mind and the undermining of his psychic wards by Kyras. The fact that he was still resisting made it all the more tragic. The only problem with this is that nobody noticed or sensed that Jonah was possessed that whole time and none of the holy relics the ravens had revealed him. Cyrus is third because his reasons make sense and he is right about how Boreale screwed up Kaurava. However, is it very dumb and unlike the brilliant Cyrus to believe that he alone could conquer the Aurelia sub sector and defeat everyone else. HE could have given in to complete insanity, but that just doesn't seem like the cool, calculating Cyrus. It also goes against a lot of his own teachings about knowing thine own mortality and such. Martellus is 4th. It makes sense that he would feel abandoned and accept Eliphas' offer if it meant survival. Being a techmarine also makes his faith in the Emperor much more questionable since he instead worships the Omnissiah, which is a much more morally questionable deity. He also did not have as close a relationship with his battle brothers as the others, making betrayal much easier. The only problem comes when he actually helped them figure out that he was the traitor. Maybe he hoped the space hulk would do them in, or maybe he helped because it would allow him to reveal himself at the right moment, or convince them to join him, but he could have simply stayed quiet and Chaos would have won so he is very stupid. Tarkus is 5th. Being possessed by a bolter that he wasn't even seen using before that is very contrived and him simply spouting quotes from the Codex shows that he simply lost it because reasons. If he was that far gone someone would have noticed since he was at the point where he was spouting gibberish to his gun. This was absolutely nothing like the Tarkus we knew. It makes no sense that he would touch an obviously corrupted weapon, let alone use it. And last and most definitely least, Thaddeus is just an idiot. He gave in to the first temptation he was offered despite it obviously being a trick. He doesn't fear death so he should have been fine dying in a final stand against the Tyranids, they completed their mission of crippling the hive fleet so Meridian was safe. In the end he proved that he was a stupid, gullible, naive child. He really believed he was invincible too.
Tristan Faulkner yeah but it wouldn't make any sense for Jonah, Tarkus, Martellus and Cyrus to be alive after you killed them in Chaos Rising to be in Retribution.
Martellus seems to me to be the least likely to have embraced the dark powers, aside from the fact that he could have easily of bargained with the dark gods in the time he was stranded after crash landing in DOW2.
It is almost definitely Avitus. In Retribution, Tarkus describes how he and the traitor 'served together on Kronus.' It was already explicitly stated that Avitus and Tarkus were together on Kronus, and besides, Thaddeus would have been too young to have served at the time.
BS Metalbawkes: "Now I'm the devastator brothers!" There is some interesting things about fighting Martellus, it is possible to keep all squads pure, but FC in max corruption(throug gear, etc.). In this case the game decided that none of the squad can be designated as Traitor, and since the FC can't be the traitor, the game decides that Martellus will be the designated Traitor. Perhaps the FC gaslight him so much that he accepts the role of traitor, he must have 100 in influencing.
When this happened in my playthrough, I almost cried. "No... not Martellus." :( I don't know why, but it really hit me hard. Maybe it's the least developed of all of the betrayals, but somehow it was the most impactful for me.
Jetman123 Well, per retritbution, Avitus is the canon traitor, and was killed by Tarkus. So, in what passes for the actual passing of events in these games, Martellus is still loyal.
+Károly Németh Because when you take into account that he is angrier than a thousand sunburned berserkers with mosquito bites, rocks in their shoes, AND phantom itching all at the same time, there weren't a whole lot of paths for him to go on.
One thing that created a massive dissonance for me was Martellus' behavior in mission compared to what the traitor said in his transmissions. On one side, the traitor says that A: He will not be party to the murder of brother Blood Ravens B: He will not help the enemy again if they used the vox codes to ambush more Battle Brothers Yet, with Martellus, he's happy to slaughter as many of his former brothers as his abilities will allow, saying among other things: A: That he will personally crush them in tribute to the Dark Gods B: That he has longed for the day he could finally kill them C: "Kill the Blood Ravens!" If Martellus was the traitor, why exactly will he say he won't help the enemy slaughter his own brothers? It doesn't make sense
Funny thing is the only Commander option you have was Force Commander, Apocathary being Gailen was already a character you dealt with "killing him for.purity or ignoring him for corruption) and Techmarine was never an option on your missions. So if no one in your party was a traitor, he was the only one left.
Perhaps he was hoping your actions would cause the downfall of one of the others while making himself look good. Hell, whose to say only 1 of the options happened. Kyras may have offered Thaddeus his deal & at the same time tell to do Eliphas' bidding. Cyrus & Tarkus could've easily gone either way depending on your own darkness (or lack of). And Jonah probably was fighting the demon's scratching in his mind, and resisting despite Kyras selling him down the river.
Really? go through the first door, the one marked undivided, first door to the left. Iron warriors are in there. Fun Fact: The Iron Warriors are pretty much an entire legion of techmarines.
I am still flabbergasted by how Martellus helped the blood marines to find out himself is the traitor but still I am still sad that he became the traitor because his my favorite blood raven space marine
this gets on my nerves, all the playable characters fight you on foot if they are the traitor...but the one unplayable character gets a fucking tank!?!?
Tarkus always was the saddest. Avitus was the most truthful and is considered canon. Thaddeus was the most pathetic. Martellus gets a fucking tank... the one that made me most likely to shit myself
cyrus spits out pure truth after pure truth. you can't argue with him, he is the "reasonable marines" guy. on top of using actual tactics and camouflage, its also more logical to use the black legion for the imperium instead of serving the incompetent, corrupt or straight up chaos worshiping leaders of the blood ravens. but i will admit that i find kyras more sympathetic than eliphas or gabriel and i would have stood by his side if i was a blood raven during the events of the game
@ the two questions below; apparently the origional traitor is avitus,you can have more than one, also to get martellus to betray means having all squad members pure.
he was hoping that the warp energies in the space hulk would either kill or corrupt the commander, either that or the commander would reach a point where he would be willing to join Kyras and his corrupt Blood Ravens. It is also implied that in this scenario Martellus made up the difficulties with the logic engine and needing the one from the space hulk, also he made up about how long it was taking.
You know, Martellus being the only somewhat shallow traitor makes sense. After all, if you've managed to disqualify every member of the ground team, that means you're the nicest guy in Warhammer 40K. Fitting then, that the corrupt member of the squad is the closest thing to "evil" you get from the traitors.
@Pitalla Oh yea and btw Gabriel Angelos does never turn chaos.. in fully chaos ending its the Force Commander (you) who joins Thousand Sons with Avitus ,Cyrus ,Tarkus and Thaddius. Gabriel just remains renegade in all those endings and in fully chaos ending Gabriel says that he will hunt you down for turning chaos. in corrupted one he executes you.
Martellus thinks the Blood Ravens can't handle one greater daemon when they've done so twice in their recent history, Chaos causes the Space Marine intelligence to fail.
Martellus hasn't been a traitor for that long. He won't magically suddenly get the virus and digivolve into an Obliterator for turning to Chaos. He needs to become infected with Ob. virus either through being in contact with an Obliterator or being forcibly infected with it, then there's the time required for it to take effect.
Avitus. Thaddeus did not serve on Kronus and Tarkus mentioned that traitor was there with him. Thaddeus either died during the ten years gap in action or is with Force Commander on Crusade of Penalty.
yeah it is pretty obvious, Araghast says theres a traitor in their ranks after the battle at the ice works, which means one of the taskforce was already a traitor, thing is they didn't find Martellus and bring him back until after that, so it couldn't be him. Not to mention that Avitus has been all doom and gloom the whole time.
I feared so much that Martellus is a traitor the moment I found out he is alive. I hope his betrayal is not a canon story. At least I like that the traitor is being chosen through your gameplay.
@Pitalla In retribution Tarkus says that hes long known battle brother was betrayer in chaos rising... and only battle brother been with tarkus from the very start is avitus...
Avitus is the canonic traitor, as Martellus, Cyrus, Jonah, Tarkus and Thaddeus (or may be it was a generic assault squad commander?) are alive in Retribution.
This treason is the one that makes no sense, considering how helpful was Martellus in unveiling the traitor, the one that makes more sense is Avitus betrayal
A lot of the DOW II boss fights were ridiculous. It took me nearly 3 hours to kill Ulkair as I had to keep retreating to recover.... The traitor fights were pretty fun though because at least it didn't take all day to kill them. At least in Retribution they addressed that and made the fights less dragged out :)
@outlawstar15a2 Being geek does not means you care only about "tech", but also about other things that usually people find it weird, or too different, or obscure. You are called a geek if you like reading fantasy novels for instance.
Also, these days he could just retrain as a Warpsmith, and the Iron Warriors have always had "normal" dark Techmarines - under the 3rd ed Chaos rules, you could give your Chaos Lord a Servo-Arm to represent him being one.
This is canon to me as any true Servant of the Emperor would have remained pure throughout the campaign and immediately stopped at any loss of purity...
its the guy with the most corruption with the most Corruption. But my was Tarkus he was full but only one chaos weapon. And Jonah was wearing 3 chaos items on his abilities with a Chaos hood. And Tarkus is the Betrayer. so its mostly the Weapon i think.
After fully corrupting my squad, i finished him with tarkus's decaying aura ability. Kind of ironic for a nurgle related ability to kill a greater daemon of nurgle, but then again, the dark gods are fickle. ;)
Honestly, I find Martellus betrayal to be one of those funny situation where Martellus realizes that no one was a traitor, so instead of making a fool of himself by displaying a no named random bloodraven to be the traitor, he instead chooses to be one and make a total show of it by going all out.
Maybe he really, really wanted to test out his bumper car on them.
your 2 comments are funny and original,a feat in such comment sections :)
This betrayal makes the least sense, because he's the one that takes you to the logic engine that finds out who betrays you.
I think Martellus is kind of like a "Bonus" boss in this sense: he fights you only if you kept everyone from falling to Chaos, and he has the toughest fight of the traitors. Assuming a fresh playthrough it is unlikely that you will get Martellus as your traitor
@@NinjaAO42 i claimed all the shrines and discarded all the chaos items. So this was my ending :P
I’m gonna make one of my squad corrupt since my first play through martellus gives me a lot of headache than others
@@NinjaAO42 I played through this game only once, got Martellus. I didn't even know there were alternate endings at the time.
@@NinjaAO42 i get.
The only luck was that i have every one with Terminator armor.
Hes the only one that fully embraces chaos. Everyone else is like "oh this is for the good of everyone, im not telling the Black Legion youre here, blah blah" wheras he gets right into it
welp, you have to think about that he isnt the traitor canonicly because hes alive in retribution
@@storyteller8772 who isn't then
@@jakejohnson718 Avitus is canon
Well he sounds more like a chaos since the beginning
His voice actor is the same for elpihas
His voice actor is chaos at heart
@@whiterose8601 same voice actor as cyrus too
Let me bring my Predator that stole a battle cannon from a Lemun Russ and armored like a Baneblade while calling in Basalisk artillery fire while running you over like an ork battle wagon. Because reasons.
Seriously that is a nasty predator.
Cenkic Arkadas
It certainly is
When I fought him, I retreated to heal my men, in order to take advantage of not having my men around Martellus, I order the Captains Bombardment (not the artillery one) and it ended up blowing him up. It was funny because when the cutscene happened, the CSM who weren't hit by the bombardment started shooting at my men during the cutscene.
yea i know.....
The Warp is the pathway to many strange abilities.
"Eliphas has them on a leash."
Fun fact: Martellus is voiced by the same guy as Eliphas.
and Cyrus
@@Srksius2802 Steve Blum. Great voice actor.
Avitus and the Warp Spider is the same voice actor too...
me: i'm gonna keep everyone pure c:
Martellus: 🔫👀
me: :c
Yup pretty much
His is one of the most tragic too.
Oh so that is how you get the alternate endings? Honestly I found the corrupted weapons to be kinda meh so my men never got corrupted. Nothing really "Tempted" me.
Martellus is the hardest boss fight out of all the betrayals
+Art Bnd Because he is the fucking tank!
I'm confused if Martellus is a traitor why is he with you in Retribution
The 'canon' betrayal is apparently Avitus.
+Commissar_Dan Fair enough. Though I've always wanted a dreadnought with a melta cannon.
+Commissar_Dan True enough. The classic assault cannon/flamer/powerfist combo continues to acquit itself well in battle.
Chaos Predator: Cheese Edition.
Seriously ELIPHAS was easier to fight then Martellus
Too bad that helmet gets in the way of mustache twirling.
The fact that the best ending isn’t the cannon one is honestly just perfection for a Warhammer game.
Aside from Jonah (who doesn't count either because it's the daemon possessing him talking), Martellus sounds the most evil as the traitor. And yes, he's ridiculously hard as a boss, I won by sending Aramus in close combat while calling an orbital bombardment over the melee. :D
That's my regular strategy in defense missions against last way carnifex
We dont say this name around here
@@Brandelwyn his name is Commander Hairgel
@@John-jc3ty that joke stopped being funny before you were alive
@@Brandelwyn its still funny
"Eliphas and his black faith"
Little did we know that Eliphas sang spirituals.
Imperios He was in the Word Bearers legion. It would make sense he preached the word of Chaos. :)
Not just that. He was a fucking Dark Apostle. It was basically his job to preach the word of Chaos.
I thought Jonah was the gospel singer.
tarkus's betrayal always hit me the hardest
Avitus, Jorah
cyrus
Tarkus and Cyrus were the most sad for me. But Cyrus betrayal is technically the stupidest there - how the hell is this edgelord suppose to whip 4 squads of LEGENDARY experts of warfare in TERMINATOR ARMOR AND SACRED WEAPONRY of many Chapters around the Imperium with just some landmines and sniper rifle?
@@МихаилЕгоров-е7й true I think it would've been better of he changed into power armor or if he was supported by a lot more troops
Clearly you’ve never seen Cyrus solo maps on Primarch.
Storywise, his betrayal made sense to me. Him getting stuck on Typhon for so long and getting corrupted is not hard to imagine. But in the end, finding out his betrayal boils down to "Oh I helped them find out the betrayer. How did they figure out it's me?"
- "CRUSH THEM! FULL POWER!"
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!"
there should have been an achievement called "Deathwing Assault" for deploying your entire force in terminator armor. seeing as a lot of people enjoy doin it
Martellus sounded as evil as Sindri when he went traitor. it really left me reeling with shock and a little fear, considering how calm and collected he was when reading out his reports and his do thises and do thats
@@mojewjewjew4420 You mean the same as Sindri?
Martellus was voiced by Steve Blum.
Sindri was voiced by Scott McNeil.
My bad,they sounded the same and assumed its the same.@@scottm8292
Damn, Martellus has what I'd like to believe is the fastest Chaos Predator I've ever seen! Did he put any red paint on it?
Does Blood count
Martellus:
Also known as Cyrus with a vox stuck in his throat.
3:03 Have to say, Martellus has a great evil laugh.
Damn, Martellus was a badass betrayer, that last laugh was pure evil...
Steve Blum really is a good voice actor.
Good point I had forgotten about that, Avitus always struck me as slightly too into bloodshed and destruction even during the Tyranid campaign in DoW 2 as well.
Everyone says this is such a tough fight. but Thule armed with a multimelta makes very short work of Martellus' chaos pred.
Except most people aren't smart enough to understand that tactic, making them either dumb-asses (no offense) or feel that it would be too easy to take out a tank using a weapon designed to destroy armored vehicles.
NakedSnake1836 But you don't need to be taking it specifically for this fight. You should be taking Davian Cool on all your missions. I'd seriously replace the force commander with him if i could.
lancer D Aren't there any multi-melta guns for Avitus since they would be suited for Devastator Squads, not just Capt. Thule?
NakedSnake1836 Tarkus can take a melta. Avitus only gets heavy bolters, missile launchers and lascannons. The reason the multimelta is so good on thule is that he gets the melta sweep ability (erase everything in a 90 degree arc in front of you) and he can get close enough to use it because his melee abilities are so strong, particularly is ground pound ability that sends enemies flying, destroys cover, stuns vehicles and hits everyone around him. He also tanks like a boss, can self repair and act as mobile cover and rally point for the squad. Dude's a beast.
Joran Berserk Emo kids who like Cyrus, probably :P
Anybody else notice that the voice actor for martellus is the same as Cyrus? Very noticeable at his lines in 1:25
That's because both Cyrus and Martellus (as well as Eliphas) are voiced by Steve Blum. It's a common thing in the DoW series that 2-3 (or even more) different characters are voiced by the same person.
yes, he also voices Eliphas.
+sofija1996 False.
Steve Blum is voiced by Cyrus.
For all the betrayals in terms of which ones were best written and had the most compelling reasons that fit the character:
Avitus had the best reason because he finally realized the truth of Warhammer 40K, in the grim dark there is only war. He is right about it all being pointless, endless slaughter for the amusement of the gods and having had a role in the unjustified slaughter of the Imperial Guard on Kronus would shake anyone's faith. He also showed gradual signs of his sanity slipping over the course of Dawn of War 2 and Chaos Rising. This one is canon because it makes the most sense and has no plot-holes.
Jonah is 2nd because he never made the choice, but was instead forced by a demon against which he had no defense due to mental exhaustion against the hive mind and the undermining of his psychic wards by Kyras. The fact that he was still resisting made it all the more tragic. The only problem with this is that nobody noticed or sensed that Jonah was possessed that whole time and none of the holy relics the ravens had revealed him.
Cyrus is third because his reasons make sense and he is right about how Boreale screwed up Kaurava. However, is it very dumb and unlike the brilliant Cyrus to believe that he alone could conquer the Aurelia sub sector and defeat everyone else. HE could have given in to complete insanity, but that just doesn't seem like the cool, calculating Cyrus. It also goes against a lot of his own teachings about knowing thine own mortality and such.
Martellus is 4th. It makes sense that he would feel abandoned and accept Eliphas' offer if it meant survival. Being a techmarine also makes his faith in the Emperor much more questionable since he instead worships the Omnissiah, which is a much more morally questionable deity. He also did not have as close a relationship with his battle brothers as the others, making betrayal much easier. The only problem comes when he actually helped them figure out that he was the traitor. Maybe he hoped the space hulk would do them in, or maybe he helped because it would allow him to reveal himself at the right moment, or convince them to join him, but he could have simply stayed quiet and Chaos would have won so he is very stupid.
Tarkus is 5th. Being possessed by a bolter that he wasn't even seen using before that is very contrived and him simply spouting quotes from the Codex shows that he simply lost it because reasons. If he was that far gone someone would have noticed since he was at the point where he was spouting gibberish to his gun. This was absolutely nothing like the Tarkus we knew. It makes no sense that he would touch an obviously corrupted weapon, let alone use it.
And last and most definitely least, Thaddeus is just an idiot. He gave in to the first temptation he was offered despite it obviously being a trick. He doesn't fear death so he should have been fine dying in a final stand against the Tyranids, they completed their mission of crippling the hive fleet so Meridian was safe. In the end he proved that he was a stupid, gullible, naive child. He really believed he was invincible too.
Tristan Faulkner yeah but it wouldn't make any sense for Jonah, Tarkus, Martellus and Cyrus to be alive after you killed them in Chaos Rising to be in Retribution.
@@ETH5626 WAIT jonah isnt in retribution (im still at the start of the campaign)
@@storyteller8772 Jonah is alive in retribution, i'm just saying that if you killed him in Chaos Rising it won't be considered canon.
@@ETH5626 as I sad IM STILL AT THE BEGINNING
@@storyteller8772 I know no need to repeat it twice.
The squad was pure and Boreale was already dead. So only Martellus remained.
Before this was there a conversation that went like this? Martellus: The logic engine has done it's worOH SHIT!
Martellus really goes a lot more balls to the wall in his betrayal than any of the others do in theirs.
Listen to Martellus voice carefully...
"METAL BAWXES!!!!!"
Eliphas and Firaeveus Carron in one game. That would be great.
Martellus ending is sad for me ;(. Best techmarine and cool guy.
Martellus basically turned into Tank Dempsey when gone traitor.
Martellus seems to me to be the least likely to have embraced the dark powers, aside from the fact that he could have easily of bargained with the dark gods in the time he was stranded after crash landing in DOW2.
martellus sounds more like a chaos space marine than any other blood raven
I was glad when this was the betrayal I got
I didnt want to loseany of my badass party I had geared out
From all the Betrayer vids. i think hes the most scary. I Love His Voice when hes Chaos! Its So Deep And Mad. with the robotic voice.
It is almost definitely Avitus. In Retribution, Tarkus describes how he and the traitor 'served together on Kronus.' It was already explicitly stated that Avitus and Tarkus were together on Kronus, and besides, Thaddeus would have been too young to have served at the time.
@outlawstar15a2 No. I made backups of my saves as I went along and then went back to corrupt certain people or the whole squad.
BS Metalbawkes: "Now I'm the devastator brothers!"
There is some interesting things about fighting Martellus, it is possible to keep all squads pure, but FC in max corruption(throug gear, etc.). In this case the game decided that none of the squad can be designated as Traitor, and since the FC can't be the traitor, the game decides that Martellus will be the designated Traitor. Perhaps the FC gaslight him so much that he accepts the role of traitor, he must have 100 in influencing.
Martellus' betrayal seems to be the only one that wasn't an attempt to "save" his battle-brothers. And here I am, thinking he was cool and all.
When this happened in my playthrough, I almost cried. "No... not Martellus." :( I don't know why, but it really hit me hard. Maybe it's the least developed of all of the betrayals, but somehow it was the most impactful for me.
He was the one who supported the space marines through all the shitstorms..
Jetman123 Well, per retritbution, Avitus is the canon traitor, and was killed by Tarkus. So, in what passes for the actual passing of events in these games, Martellus is still loyal.
remnant55 Nooo... Avitus? Buuut why?T.T
+Károly Németh Because when you take into account that he is angrier than a thousand sunburned berserkers with mosquito bites, rocks in their shoes, AND phantom itching all at the same time, there weren't a whole lot of paths for him to go on.
Buzzy Bland Well poor guy had a very good point. I didn't want to lose any of the teammates, but the story must go on.
Martellus doesn't have that interesting of a story, but they make up for it with a bad ass boss fight.
I don't care if this is canon at all, this is still the best betrayal of them all
One thing that created a massive dissonance for me was Martellus' behavior in mission compared to what the traitor said in his transmissions.
On one side, the traitor says that
A: He will not be party to the murder of brother Blood Ravens
B: He will not help the enemy again if they used the vox codes to ambush more Battle Brothers
Yet, with Martellus, he's happy to slaughter as many of his former brothers as his abilities will allow, saying among other things:
A: That he will personally crush them in tribute to the Dark Gods
B: That he has longed for the day he could finally kill them
C: "Kill the Blood Ravens!"
If Martellus was the traitor, why exactly will he say he won't help the enemy slaughter his own brothers? It doesn't make sense
To throw the others off his back.
I think that's the point. I mean Relic showed this way that Martellus can't be the canon traitor.
This is the betrayal that I got on the first playthrough. Had no idea that betrayals by other marines seem to be much easier boss fights.
Funny thing is the only Commander option you have was Force Commander, Apocathary being Gailen was already a character you dealt with "killing him for.purity or ignoring him for corruption) and Techmarine was never an option on your missions. So if no one in your party was a traitor, he was the only one left.
Almost made into a legit Warpsmith (Chaos-converted Techmarine without the Obliterator virus)
Perhaps he was hoping your actions would cause the downfall of one of the others while making himself look good.
Hell, whose to say only 1 of the options happened. Kyras may have offered Thaddeus his deal & at the same time tell to do Eliphas' bidding. Cyrus & Tarkus could've easily gone either way depending on your own darkness (or lack of). And Jonah probably was fighting the demon's scratching in his mind, and resisting despite Kyras selling him down the river.
its strongly implied in retribution that avitus is real traitor
Mah nigga Martellus NOOOOO! He repaired our terminator armor.
So the only one who failed to notice the arrival of the Blood Ravens... was the Techmarine?
“Let the slaughter begin!”
2:21 CHARGE FORWARD!
*drove around tarkus*
Really? go through the first door, the one marked undivided, first door to the left. Iron warriors are in there.
Fun Fact: The Iron Warriors are pretty much an entire legion of techmarines.
An obliterator Martellus would have been a goddamn nightmare to fight.
Some comments reminded me of that one IRobot Reference: "You are the most dumbest smart person ever!"
It makes little sense though that the guy who worked the most on uncovering the traitor is the traitor.
I am still flabbergasted by how Martellus helped the blood marines to find out himself is the traitor but still I am still sad that he became the traitor because his my favorite blood raven space marine
Some tech marine... he could have lined up a whole bunch of tarantula turrets plus 50 orbital bombardments
Wow... he had a pretty cool evil voice!
and a tank!
he's badass
this gets on my nerves, all the playable characters fight you on foot if they are the traitor...but the one unplayable character gets a fucking tank!?!?
I still don't understand.
Why is the most tech-savvy character the only one who doesn't track the Blood Ravens?
2:24 CRY HAVOC! *charges*
*drives around target*
Tarkus always was the saddest.
Avitus was the most truthful and is considered canon.
Thaddeus was the most pathetic.
Martellus gets a fucking tank... the one that made me most likely to shit myself
cyrus spits out pure truth after pure truth. you can't argue with him, he is the "reasonable marines" guy. on top of using actual tactics and camouflage, its also more logical to use the black legion for the imperium instead of serving the incompetent, corrupt or straight up chaos worshiping leaders of the blood ravens. but i will admit that i find kyras more sympathetic than eliphas or gabriel and i would have stood by his side if i was a blood raven during the events of the game
da,mn ,artellus is one of the most insane guys haha
@ the two questions below; apparently the origional traitor is avitus,you can have more than one, also to get martellus to betray means having all squad members pure.
What I don't understand is if Martellus was the traitor then why did he think it was a good idea to help you find who the traitor is?
+Theodore Hodbor
Because inaction or incompetence would've pointed at him faster.
Notsure
he was hoping that the warp energies in the space hulk would either kill or corrupt the commander, either that or the commander would reach a point where he would be willing to join Kyras and his corrupt Blood Ravens. It is also implied that in this scenario Martellus made up the difficulties with the logic engine and needing the one from the space hulk, also he made up about how long it was taking.
You know, Martellus being the only somewhat shallow traitor makes sense.
After all, if you've managed to disqualify every member of the ground team, that means you're the nicest guy in Warhammer 40K.
Fitting then, that the corrupt member of the squad is the closest thing to "evil" you get from the traitors.
Also if u have gotten the servo arm from the fight put it in the libraium and u get a VERY good sword.
@Pitalla Oh yea and btw Gabriel Angelos does never turn chaos.. in fully chaos ending its the Force Commander (you) who joins Thousand Sons with Avitus ,Cyrus ,Tarkus and Thaddius. Gabriel just remains renegade in all those endings and in fully chaos ending Gabriel says that he will hunt you down for turning chaos. in corrupted one he executes you.
Martellus thinks the Blood Ravens can't handle one greater daemon when they've done so twice in their recent history, Chaos causes the Space Marine intelligence to fail.
Martellus hasn't been a traitor for that long. He won't magically suddenly get the virus and digivolve into an Obliterator for turning to Chaos.
He needs to become infected with Ob. virus either through being in contact with an Obliterator or being forcibly infected with it, then there's the time required for it to take effect.
I love this guy's voice, but it's a damn shame that it's so hard to care about him.
Avitus. Thaddeus did not serve on Kronus and Tarkus mentioned that traitor was there with him. Thaddeus either died during the ten years gap in action or is with Force Commander on Crusade of Penalty.
yeah it is pretty obvious, Araghast says theres a traitor in their ranks after the battle at the ice works, which means one of the taskforce was already a traitor, thing is they didn't find Martellus and bring him back until after that, so it couldn't be him. Not to mention that Avitus has been all doom and gloom the whole time.
I feared so much that Martellus is a traitor the moment I found out he is alive. I hope his betrayal is not a canon story. At least I like that the traitor is being chosen through your gameplay.
@Pitalla In retribution Tarkus says that hes long known battle brother was betrayer in chaos rising... and only battle brother been with tarkus from the very start is avitus...
Avitus is the canonic traitor, as Martellus, Cyrus, Jonah, Tarkus and Thaddeus (or may be it was a generic assault squad commander?) are alive in Retribution.
This treason is the one that makes no sense, considering how helpful was Martellus in unveiling the traitor, the one that makes more sense is Avitus betrayal
In retribution you get hint that the traitor was Avitus.
BDC what did you do make multiple campaign saves in the beginning and then did a full purity, partial, and full corruption game?
A lot of the DOW II boss fights were ridiculous. It took me nearly 3 hours to kill Ulkair as I had to keep retreating to recover.... The traitor fights were pretty fun though because at least it didn't take all day to kill them.
At least in Retribution they addressed that and made the fights less dragged out :)
@outlawstar15a2 Being geek does not means you care only about "tech", but also about other things that usually people find it weird, or too different, or obscure. You are called a geek if you like reading fantasy novels for instance.
Also, these days he could just retrain as a Warpsmith, and the Iron Warriors have always had "normal" dark Techmarines - under the 3rd ed Chaos rules, you could give your Chaos Lord a Servo-Arm to represent him being one.
blumception
This is canon to me as any true Servant of the Emperor would have remained pure throughout the campaign and immediately stopped at any loss of purity...
obliterators arent human nor demon, they are weapons brought to life
Techmarines are the "geeks" alongside Librarians of the Space Marine Chapters.
Revenge of the geeks indeed.
of course he's too scared to fight them himself so he jumps in a tank
@forkmaster actually according to a lot of people that have finished 'retribution' Avitus is the traitor
Because it serves me, Eliphas.
Unironically the hardest DoW2 boss, on highest difficulty i had to missile strike him for 10 minutes
its the guy with the most corruption with the most Corruption.
But my was Tarkus he was full but only one chaos weapon. And Jonah was wearing 3 chaos items on his abilities with a Chaos hood. And Tarkus is the Betrayer. so its mostly the Weapon i think.
@Baron4827 it took you 3 days?
After fully corrupting my squad, i finished him with tarkus's decaying aura ability. Kind of ironic for a nurgle related ability to kill a greater daemon of nurgle, but then again, the dark gods are fickle. ;)
How the hell did Martellus become a traitor?
BigDickCheney i have a question, why is Tarkus always corrupted in almost every video you make about treason
@RanwulfMaxwell Librarians aren't geeks they're loyalist wizards. Nothing they do is technical.
It's funny, because Martellus IS Eliphas. They're voice actor is the same.
He is not the canon traitor, I am not sure whether it was Avitus or Thaddeus though. Neither appear in Retribution.