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Nowadays, being a not-so-skilled artist is kind of a blessing because it prevents me from being accused of "stealing" using AI-generated art. When you are too pro, people start doubting your skill due to the existence of AI-generated art.
I think there's a difference in tracing art, versus tracing references. I'm an artist but I refuse to trace someone's artwork, but I trace models and other references for my work. I am a printmaker so I combine multiple things together to create a unique piece and tracing helps me do it quicker. I took multiple drawing classes so I can draw and not all elements are traced. Just my thoughts :)
@@sotbarbapappa samdoesart does it all the time tho, i have found several pictures he used as references for his own art. I think doing studies of photos is completely fine, using references isn’t a crime because it actually helps you learn a LOT faster! Many artists start out by tracing artwork they like or trying to replicate it the best they can, its just another way of learning. Im not saying its ok to trace art and claim it as your own, but this is how pretty much every artist out there started, by copying what they like. I do think copying the lighting off someone’s photo is fine, i also think that you dont have to have consent from the photographer for every single study of a picture that you do, its just unrealistic. I also think that using models as reference without consent is fine, thats how artists learn in the first place. How do you think professional artists learn how to draw anatomy in all kinds of crazy poses? By copying references! Not all of us artists are built like those Greek statues and we cannot (unfortunately) shapeshift into different body types and people so that we can take a picture and copy off that. Using references is fine and *necessary* if you want to learn!
@@sotbarbapappa there are SO many kinds of people that its impossible to be able to personally ask every single person we see and decide to draw whether we can actually draw them. If you want to learn how to draw dark skin, find a picture of someone with dark skin and draw them! This applies to everyyything, body types, hair types, skin tones, face structures… we copy what we see, memorize, then rinse and repeat until it is added to our visual library (the absolute same thing goes for lighting!). So dont be scared of using references, photo studies are probably the most common way of learning how to draw all kinds of stuff :)
In my opinion ai isn't a person but not making your own art is pretty terrible and all that tracing when you can learn to draw and use it for reference youtube is free and don't need to pretend
@@munchmongoosethey mean that they trace poses from other models, not from artworks. For example instead of tracing a whole drawing that someone owns they search for a pose reference and then trace the model. Something like this is allowed, since you’re not stealing someone’s artwork, you’re using a reference that someone did for the purpose of using it. Unless I misunderstood your comment
@Gabrielle’s Life yeah I agree. But I also think artists shouldn't use ai at all just so the people who make them don't profit it from stealing original art to fuel their ais
Sometimes I will trace over a photo of a reference model, however, it’s merely for practice and to mostly understand certain poses and mostly weird hand angles. I don’t know why this person couldn’t have just come clean about it in the first place??💀😭
They could've said it was a study. Studies are a thing, you copy something to better understand shapes, poses, colours, whatever it is you liked in the original. But there's a lot of mysticism in some areas of the art community: the idea of the muse-inspired artist that kind of gets better and better by their own genius instead of by studying. They have to keep their appearances (and their egos). Thankfully, we can all learn from these experiences and be better people and artists. 😊
to be fair it can be really scary on the internet when being called a 'tracer' not everyone is understanding and accepting of it? people will send literal death threats. Its like rolling the dice for whether or not people will hate you or not. Some people will jump on the word 'tracing' and immediately assume your entire gallery is not yours and you steal art. While I personally would disclose my method and accept whatever comes from it, some people are genuinely scared of losing their job, their income, their home, the food on their table from bad press and being sat next to the word 'tracing' some people want to use a different word like 'referencing' as a cover up since its greatly frowned upon. Some artists don't even like to admit they use references because of the huge negative connection to tracing. Some people think its cheating to use references.
There's nothing wrong with tracing. It helps to understand anatomy, poses, shapes, etc.and general practicing. Whenever I reference specific pictures I give credit to the og artist if I decide to post it somewhere. If it's heavily traced I usually don't post it to social media since it's for personal practice
Pfft. If I did this, I would have made it a whole thing! Like: "I'm taking the art back! If AI can take from us, then I will take from them!" & then make it even better! They would have come off as a renegade & hero. lol Makes yourself FULLY transparent on your activities!
@@BigBadWolframio This! You can study your favourite artists and learn a lot by doing it. Even if we’re talking about grand masters or great artists on the internet. Just don’t say it’s your original idea… post it as a study.
I think it's fair to blame them, it's understandable to trace when Ai art looks so good but my god it's so easy to admit it, especially when the skills are clearly there, doubling down made them look like a prick on his high horse.
Artists not being dramatic? Are you kidding me? Artists are the most dramatic people I know, and I say that as one. Because while we're quiet and usually non confrontational, we'll return home and proceed to create the saddest character with the most traumatic background ever: abandoned by their parents and raised by a sweet, kind wolf, who was then brutally murdered by a mad man and Mc lost an eye and 3 toes trying to get revenge, but eventually dies tragically. And if the character happens to resemble the very person who pissed off the artist? Coincidence ofc.
Honestly, after taking art history last year, I’ve learned that artist have kinda just always been dramatic and petty and the like, it’s almost like a tradition seemingly haha 😂
Agreed, the act of tracing is not bad, that is how I started in art, it really does help. Now just looking at an art style especially manga I can imitate it. what’s BAD about it is not disclosing it was traced and relaying on it too much.
I kinda feel for this artist. When I was young and at the point that most people probably learn their artistic skills, I got really into a small community where you'd take the same line art and color/edit and add things to it. So I got really good at color theory, patterns, and editing on a base (copying shading styles etc). Still, to this day, I cannot just draw out a scene or person. But god damn can I color some pre-made art. I can't help but wonder if this person got stuck in a similar cycle, where their color work has outpaced their actual drawing ability and so they ended up tracing others' base work.
then they should've taken the time to level up and learn anatomy and composition on their own before pumping out images on the internet chasing clout with traced art AND even selling it?? 😭or just be clean about it guys this is the reference i traced it, but i did all the coloring myself. like nobody is blaming anyone for being a beginner, just for lying and stealing
100% agree with your opinion on this. it's so frustrating when i see people post art that is clearly traced off a pinterest photo, without showing the original or even mentioning that it's traced, and then people comment stuff like "omg that pose/composition/idea is so good" and the artist is like "thank you" :))) and they take the credit for something they didn't actually do themselves. you don't have to create everything from scratch without any help but please at least be transparent about it...
holy crap they could at least have admitted to it! AI pictures have no copyright as far as I'm concerned. You're pretty much free to use it but don't lie you didn't trace it!
Personally, compared to tracing other's art, using this to help you get a better understanding of drawing is a bit better than just. Passing the AI off as yours.
@@anonymouse257 if u use photo references u took yourself then ofc it's ok! YOU own the copyright for that. but AI art is made from someone else's art. do you not get it? and this artist isn't just using it to study, they're even selling it on inprnt and is not transparent about the references in which they traced
personally i think using these ai images as an inspiration for your work or for practices is okay. i've been using them as a reference for some art style and rendering study too. this person though 💀 they could've just admitted they traced it for studies, why would you lie about something so obvious and claim it's your own work/idea.
They are excellent to get color palettes (like, truly amazing at that) and some design inspiration, but AI images are many times not someting I would call "finished". I tried making a picture with prompts and impainting, and it didn't come close to what I had in mind. Sketching is still much faster, at least to me.
there was more art that me and my friend and i noticed that they copied/traced before and it’s krazy how they didn’t stop. they probs thought they wouldn’t be caught. also they were exposed before and i liked the post of that exposure tweet and lmao they blocked me after even if i don’t even follow them. that’s when i realised they’re guilty fr
also the fact that you have actual captions available instead of youtube's silly auto generated ones is a BLESSING. thank you sm. so many commentary youtubers dont take the time to help their HoH audiences like that
When I need to make initial character designs for my comic quickly, I usually will trace an irl persons pose so I know how I should draw them in the future, it’s made it easier for me to understand what an actually persons body type is supposed to look like without having to go through looking for a perfect revenge of their intended body type.
It is possible that the AI traced his work, the models are trained on art from all across the web. It’s rare that the lines would be exact but not impossible, especially with a pretty typical “anime” male face.
that's what i thought too. it's a very typical pretty, style 3/4 angle anime semi-realistic face, might be a coincidence... but the video they posted actually reveal they DO trace 😂
wanted to say that your setup is AMAZING. the plants in the background, the lighting? absolutely stellar. the content is amazing too :0 never been more excited to become a mole
I think using tracing as a tool can really help when creating artworks. Actually, many traditional artists have been using tracing in their creative process for a long time, going way back to the 15th century with the use of camera obscura. It helps them make their drawings accurate and on point. So, the real deal is not about tracing itself, but what you're tracing and where it comes from. 'Cause it could totally be a copyright issue, especially when it comes to AI-generated art. The whole copyright situation for AI art is still kinda fuzzy, which is why tracing AI-generated art can easily get some serious hate and backlash.
This is such a weird time to live in. AI stealing from humans to make something and then humans stealing from Ai to pretend they created something. The original artist got lost in the whole mess.
I haven't watched the video yet but if they were trying to make a statement about "taking back" AI art wouldn't you think they would've said that they traced it ? Why would they try and pass it off as their own ?? Lets also not ignore the fact that AI art may mesh other unwilling artists art into the product.. what you trace could possibly be someone elses stolen work.. ( Also why would you heavily trace and then try and pass it off as your own?? Heck! Even just tracing without mentioning that you did is a nono...)
Ngl, I think since it’s ai art it’s a fairly victimless crime. Doesn’t mean they should deny that they did it, but the ai’s feelings aren’t gonna get hurt.
Tho she did mention that ai art comes from thousands of artist hard earned skill to produce their beautiful artwork (its why ai art is so problematic) so you would have to account for that. Taking from something exploitative can be refreshing but in the end, you're also piggyback off of this exploitation by out right tracing it. Tho imo I don't mind if it's to learn but this artist clearly wants to pass it off as they own hard earned skill and artwork before they were ousted so their image and attitude about it is not a good look.
The issue is that they are selling brushes and telling people that is what they use to create this. Brushes are so important to artists and I think the poor artists who buy it thinking it will help the. Are victims
you are ridicously talented with your commentary, break out of your niche art and do commentary on drama, like pengiun, honestly you are crazy talented!
your style of editing and your commentary is literally perfect. you're so entertaining to watch. usually my adhd brain gets bored watching commentary videos but your jokes and silly lil editing bits have me in a CHOKEHOLD.
I saw another artist "stealing" From ai, but they didnt do this shit-they actually redrew an ai art which i think is okay;but tracing? Thats stooping so low💀and when i meant redrew, they used the ai as a reference:) But this right here is completely insane😭😭BC ITS STILL TRACING SOMEONE ELSE'S ART-AI IS MIXED PEOPLE, ITS A MIX OF ALL OTHER ARTIST'S STYLES😭
I like it when people are shatting on AI, but if you're just gonna trace it you wouldn't grow as an artist. It's like stealing a plant from a forest and convince people that you grew it
Good argument. However... Tracing does have benefits. You could kinda memorize a body part by tracing and that'll fuel your creativity enough for you to be able to make your own... Unless if the person just wants to trace.
Technically they are in their full right to trace AI art since AI art cannot be copyrighted or owned or whatever. If you do not believe me, search it up. The only parts of an ai art that can be owned art parts that were drawn by an actual person. And since you can’t, well, only in some rare instances, trace the images that make up an ai artwork back to the original artists works that made up the ai artwork (not sure if that made sense). You would never know. So this person who traced the AI, that art is legally theirs actually. They should have said they traced at least though instead of lying. May be a controversial opinion, but personally, I don’t have a problem with this. AI art is ridiculous. It can put real artists out of their job, which is really sad. I personally am an artist. I don’t touch AI art, because I don’t want to support it. I also don’t trace because I don’t want to get accused of it like this person did. That stuff worries me though. But what I mean is that this ai art is getting so advanced you can say stuff like, “a pretty girl in a sitting post in [an artists style]” and it will draw it in that artist’s style. Which means if that artist has commissions, people could just ask ai art and they wouldn’t get as many commissions. Which of course can lower their earnings. That’s just an example though.
I have personally used AI just to practice on my coloring and lighting - although I reference it rather than trace it (I do not sell my art or share it outside of my small friend group lol)
Or the AI stole their work that is how AI gets their art style by Stealing From Artists. I hope nothing like this ever happens to me. That’s why I’m so scared to post my work on the Internet. 😂 Also tracing the outline of a model is not going to create that beautiful picture at the end. The person is still a great artist. I’m personally not a tracer but I don’t think that makes their art inferior to people who decide not to trace the outline of a model. What makes the painting is the hours of rendering to takes to make something realistic and stylistic at the same time at least that’s my opinion.
I agree, honestly kinda sad. I think it'd be a funny move to trace AI "artists" images, but in a mocking/trolling way. The idea of someone taking AI art base paintover to turn it into an art career feels like we'd come a full, crusty circle
@@DonVigaDeFierrono but using the name is impersonation and can be identity theft in some regions. Also using copyrighted works without permission is illegal in a lot of places
@@DonVigaDeFierro you can't copyright a style, but you can copyright an individual artwork. if AI is using that artwork to create other "art" work, it's intellectual property being stolen. just need the laws to catch up to society
Van gogh's Bedroom painting had wonky perspective (by choice I know but thats not the point) but DID IT STOP IT FROM BEING A POPULAR ART PIECE?! no. So its fine to be imperfect because its YOU👉❤ EDIT: ITS 17.2K NOW
I'd even say go for it, trace AI art, BUUUUT be up front about it. When I trace it's obvious cause I'm experimenting and the proportions are suddenly more realistic. However, while I don't think an artist should get flamed for tracing AI art a lot, if they don't improve because of it, it's on them.
I think it's perfectly valid to take the ai images and show how we as artists can still improve it in ways that a computer would never think to but u gotta be honest abt it yk
Actually, I agree for the most part about being "chill" but probably moreso outwardly, and how I am probably perceived by other people. But inside, oh man, the mental battles inside, the feelings! They come out in the drawings, right? That's what makes artists so passionate anyway. We seem chill on the outside, but inside, we are so full of drama. Maybe not our own life, but perception and reality. Anyway, I just stumbled on this video today, love the humor, and your commentary. You have so much charisma! Love it!
Just out of curiosity. What would you say if a person created a 3D model, even go as far as sculpting the model, in Blender/Zbrush, setting up a camera shot, taking a render and then bringing that render into Krita/Photoshop in order to trace it and use it for your art/comic/commission/whatever. How would you compare that type of tracing vs tracing photos, especially ones you didn't take? And also without disclosing it.
3d/2d artist. You're still the creator and doing those things takes creativity and your hard earned knowledge. And the added bonus is youre not relying on someone else's artwork as a base to basically just straight out trace
Funny, when I finally got my ass and got into an art school instead of self-learning, surprise surprise the first thing the teacher taught us was to ....TRACE! Yes we were all shocked and it took multiple scolding until we got into the habit of finding / taking good references to trace from. So Yup, I'm always confused on whether its pragmatic or shamful to trace. I feel for the poor artist, Yes some of them art shown are almost step by step with change in character/color scheme. But Let's be honest here, if someone didn't intentionally want to make his life hard on purpose no one would have batted an eye at the similarities even when they are there next to each other. It's public speech here at work and not a fault of the artist for drawing / copying / referencing / tracing an art, especially an AI one! You are right, it IS a PR incident like AI art is already copywrite nightmare, and no Real Human Artists are getting neither their due credit from AI, nor being harmed when someone traces or even 'steals' from an AI generated art. otherwise people and artist, refer back to original to avoid being with hunted with pitch forks like this poor dude let THAT be the lesson learned
honestly there is nothing wrong with using the pose and composotion as long as you clearly state that u have used this composotion from the Ai art thingi. And getting mad over like a pose, this only refrers to a pose or something tho and not the whole artwork
4:04 She says it's frowned upon to trace...as an artist of 35 years I would sorely have to disagree. Lots of professional artists trace pictures (for realism) and most of the time their own sketches. Now, we need to let the general audience know a simple fact...drawing or painting your piece in one sitting, straight up with no reference and no mistakes is not a feasible technique. Kim Jung Gi is one of the few that operate like this but it is not common. Most, if not ALL artists, trace. It's a part of the building process: Loose sketch, tighten up the shapes, find placement for a more pleasing composition, etc. There is no inherent shame that comes with tracing in the artist world because all the greats did it. What IS frowned upon is the lying/denial of having to trace. I do both, trace and original art, and both hold equal quality. If someone thinks my tracing is a way of "cheating", I then show them my original art in pencil and that reveals to them that I DO know how to draw. It's not just about "drawing" a piece but more like "creating" a piece using a slow, repetitive process that lets them slowly control and refine the final piece. If the artist is lying about tracing, then it means that they are either insecure of their skill set or they literally have no skill set. In the comic book art world, inkers get crapped on all the time for 'tracing" over someone else's pencils without realizing how much work, technique and knowledge goes into using the proper tools to get that professional look. So basically, not everyone who traces can draw. Digital or not, it still takes a wealth of knowledge (Lighting, shading, color theory, line work, etc.) to even create just a decent mediocre piece. If someone is a "good tracer", there's a likely possibility that person already has the skills. It's the terrible tracers that are easy to spot. Be confident in your creations, no matter what process you use. Let the final piece speak for itself. All in all, I love the video!
she's not talking about tracing your own drawings, inking it. or how you ink manga drawings as work etc.... but tracing over someone else's work and saying that's his own work....
I honestly don't really mind because while they traced the layout, they still colored it themself. I just don't understand why they needed to deny these allegations because like there isn't anything inherently wrong with taking shortcuts (unless you're selling your art, then that is a problem)
One thing I've always wondered about is where is the line drawn between we humans using visual information we've gathered from our perceptions as reference when creating original art, and an AI/diffuser using visual information it's gathered from its perceptions as reference when creating original art? People look at each other's art all the time for reference/inspiration; we are, in essence, using others' art to create our own. Never seen anyone bring it up, but it seems like such an obvious thing. Then again, I don't engage with public forums much, so I may have missed that part of the debate.
Personally I'm okay with trasing. The only problem I have with it is when they trace another drawing and then sell that traced image. Personally I trace fairly often, but I make sure it's always from real like photos, never someone else's drawings. And even then I do still change elements like clothes or hair style on top of already the basic changes like colour, lighting, line art style,etc. And I always credit the original photo if I know where it came from. If I don't I say where I found the photo (ex. if I found it on pinterest I'd say who posted it on pinterest) If you're tracing someone else's drawing and not selling your traced version then I'm okay with it, because it's such a huge learning help. I remember when I just started out drawing I would spend hours tracing and trying my best to copy league of legends photos because their anatomy, poses, and perspectives are great. Personally I think its okay to show these photos even when you trace from other art, but you should disclose that you traced it. If you don't then yeah I can see why people dislike it so muxh
I remember leaving a compliment once on this person's tumblr. They didn't reply anything, instead they just made a post about them being tired of people telling them the same old "Your artwork is beautiful, you're so talented" and that they want to hear something new. Now this is something else entirely i swear. 😭
LoL! Imagine being so full of yourself that you can now dictate how others should compliment you. That's some narcissistic sh-t right there lol. A lot of people never get replies, let alone compliments. Learn to accept what people are willing to offer you. I consider *Time* to be the most valuable thing we have. It's limited, and once it's used, you can never get it back. Each moment in your life is Literally a *once in a lifetime* moment. If someone took some of *Their Time* to compliment me on something, I'd be *GRATEFUL AS F-!* :D
Dont get let down about the art you see in media,ai made or top artist,ilustrators,etc. Drawing is a skill and you never stop learning,focus on what u wanna acomplish and do everything u can to reach that goal(ethically of course) I draw as a hobby for several years on and off and watching my old drawings i almost vomit seeing how bad they are but when i compare them with what i do now i feel i progressed a lot , i much prefer to not get let down bc of my lack of skill and focus on building that skill even if it take me years to reach my goal,dont take the fun out of it even if u want to become pro and do this for a living.
This my first video ever of this channel and the examination and personality is just funny all around although every comment or so is like mine and her take on AI art and originality is great
I’m in art groups on Facebook and other artists go on witch hunts if art looks “too good”. I’ve even seen them attack artists who post progress videos. I believe there’s software that can somehow check if ai was used anywhere in the artwork.
I heard from many artist when you want to draw you have to use a reference to make sure of many other stuff are correct and some of them are gifted they don't need to use any reference just by memorizing everything like Kim Jung Gee RIP. was one of the greatest artist.
I personally get discouraged by AI gen image not because it looks good, since it HAS been programmed and trained to make it look super good, but because it gets a lot of attention than small genuine artists.
Nowadays, being a not-so-skilled artist is kind of a blessing because it prevents me from being accused of "stealing" using AI-generated art. When you are too pro, people start doubting your skill due to the existence of AI-generated art.
Fr like noone is gonna look at my shit like oh yeah no thats ai generated lile💀
ngl now when I'm looking at a godly beautiful artwork I can't differentiate whether it was drawn by human or AI
I use ai as reference and they look too similar have the same issues 😂😂😂
Just post speedpaints of what u drew and proof
@@aldebaran5108ai is so good now but I feel like, it looks too perfect or if the pose is so good but Artists don’t do it often.
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I think there's a difference in tracing art, versus tracing references. I'm an artist but I refuse to trace someone's artwork, but I trace models and other references for my work. I am a printmaker so I combine multiple things together to create a unique piece and tracing helps me do it quicker. I took multiple drawing classes so I can draw and not all elements are traced. Just my thoughts :)
@@sotbarbapappa samdoesart does it all the time tho, i have found several pictures he used as references for his own art. I think doing studies of photos is completely fine, using references isn’t a crime because it actually helps you learn a LOT faster! Many artists start out by tracing artwork they like or trying to replicate it the best they can, its just another way of learning. Im not saying its ok to trace art and claim it as your own, but this is how pretty much every artist out there started, by copying what they like. I do think copying the lighting off someone’s photo is fine, i also think that you dont have to have consent from the photographer for every single study of a picture that you do, its just unrealistic. I also think that using models as reference without consent is fine, thats how artists learn in the first place. How do you think professional artists learn how to draw anatomy in all kinds of crazy poses? By copying references! Not all of us artists are built like those Greek statues and we cannot (unfortunately) shapeshift into different body types and people so that we can take a picture and copy off that. Using references is fine and *necessary* if you want to learn!
@@sotbarbapappa there are SO many kinds of people that its impossible to be able to personally ask every single person we see and decide to draw whether we can actually draw them. If you want to learn how to draw dark skin, find a picture of someone with dark skin and draw them! This applies to everyyything, body types, hair types, skin tones, face structures… we copy what we see, memorize, then rinse and repeat until it is added to our visual library (the absolute same thing goes for lighting!). So dont be scared of using references, photo studies are probably the most common way of learning how to draw all kinds of stuff :)
In my opinion ai isn't a person but not making your own art is pretty terrible and all that tracing when you can learn to draw and use it for reference youtube is free and don't need to pretend
So the stuff you’re tracing goes directly into your work? I would still disclose that some pieces are traced, then.
@@munchmongoosethey mean that they trace poses from other models, not from artworks. For example instead of tracing a whole drawing that someone owns they search for a pose reference and then trace the model. Something like this is allowed, since you’re not stealing someone’s artwork, you’re using a reference that someone did for the purpose of using it. Unless I misunderstood your comment
I dont have an issue with tracing as long as its not someone elses orginal art. I do have an issue with ai art though
I think it's worse if you don't admit it's someone art ai not a person but you should admit using it because it's not a skill anyone can use it
@Gabrielle’s Life yeah I agree. But I also think artists shouldn't use ai at all just so the people who make them don't profit it from stealing original art to fuel their ais
Cuz ai art is the same. Using others original art without permission
@@Grimmistired well I do need to use them for new ideas.
@jacek7348 most art ais are fed with stolen artwork
Sometimes I will trace over a photo of a reference model, however, it’s merely for practice and to mostly understand certain poses and mostly weird hand angles. I don’t know why this person couldn’t have just come clean about it in the first place??💀😭
They could've said it was a study. Studies are a thing, you copy something to better understand shapes, poses, colours, whatever it is you liked in the original. But there's a lot of mysticism in some areas of the art community: the idea of the muse-inspired artist that kind of gets better and better by their own genius instead of by studying. They have to keep their appearances (and their egos). Thankfully, we can all learn from these experiences and be better people and artists. 😊
to be fair it can be really scary on the internet when being called a 'tracer' not everyone is understanding and accepting of it? people will send literal death threats. Its like rolling the dice for whether or not people will hate you or not. Some people will jump on the word 'tracing' and immediately assume your entire gallery is not yours and you steal art.
While I personally would disclose my method and accept whatever comes from it, some people are genuinely scared of losing their job, their income, their home, the food on their table from bad press and being sat next to the word 'tracing'
some people want to use a different word like 'referencing' as a cover up since its greatly frowned upon.
Some artists don't even like to admit they use references because of the huge negative connection to tracing. Some people think its cheating to use references.
There's nothing wrong with tracing. It helps to understand anatomy, poses, shapes, etc.and general practicing. Whenever I reference specific pictures I give credit to the og artist if I decide to post it somewhere. If it's heavily traced I usually don't post it to social media since it's for personal practice
Pfft. If I did this, I would have made it a whole thing! Like: "I'm taking the art back! If AI can take from us, then I will take from them!" & then make it even better! They would have come off as a renegade & hero. lol Makes yourself FULLY transparent on your activities!
@@BigBadWolframio This! You can study your favourite artists and learn a lot by doing it. Even if we’re talking about grand masters or great artists on the internet. Just don’t say it’s your original idea… post it as a study.
I think it's fair to blame them, it's understandable to trace when Ai art looks so good but my god it's so easy to admit it, especially when the skills are clearly there, doubling down made them look like a prick on his high horse.
Artists not being dramatic? Are you kidding me? Artists are the most dramatic people I know, and I say that as one. Because while we're quiet and usually non confrontational, we'll return home and proceed to create the saddest character with the most traumatic background ever: abandoned by their parents and raised by a sweet, kind wolf, who was then brutally murdered by a mad man and Mc lost an eye and 3 toes trying to get revenge, but eventually dies tragically. And if the character happens to resemble the very person who pissed off the artist? Coincidence ofc.
What sort of tragic story is this? Is this from somewhere?😂😅
@@crystallineblue7790it's mine
Honestly, after taking art history last year, I’ve learned that artist have kinda just always been dramatic and petty and the like, it’s almost like a tradition seemingly haha 😂
@@crystallineblue7790nope just average young teenager's OC backstory 😂 had that phase at 12yo too
@@SM-gm6hr Are you a child? As someone in programing and who draws, that example don't work. Bruh. Do you actully draw or code?
Agreed, the act of tracing is not bad, that is how I started in art, it really does help. Now just looking at an art style especially manga I can imitate it. what’s BAD about it is not disclosing it was traced and relaying on it too much.
I kinda feel for this artist. When I was young and at the point that most people probably learn their artistic skills, I got really into a small community where you'd take the same line art and color/edit and add things to it. So I got really good at color theory, patterns, and editing on a base (copying shading styles etc). Still, to this day, I cannot just draw out a scene or person. But god damn can I color some pre-made art. I can't help but wonder if this person got stuck in a similar cycle, where their color work has outpaced their actual drawing ability and so they ended up tracing others' base work.
then they should've taken the time to level up and learn anatomy and composition on their own before pumping out images on the internet chasing clout with traced art AND even selling it?? 😭or just be clean about it guys this is the reference i traced it, but i did all the coloring myself. like nobody is blaming anyone for being a beginner, just for lying and stealing
How do u colour something u can't draw lol
I mean there are some people who's jobs are to add color (like in comics and stuff)
@Tanikundraws why do you think coloring books exist? coloring and drawing are two completely independent skill sets
100% agree with your opinion on this. it's so frustrating when i see people post art that is clearly traced off a pinterest photo, without showing the original or even mentioning that it's traced, and then people comment stuff like "omg that pose/composition/idea is so good" and the artist is like "thank you" :))) and they take the credit for something they didn't actually do themselves. you don't have to create everything from scratch without any help but please at least be transparent about it...
holy crap they could at least have admitted to it! AI pictures have no copyright as far as I'm concerned. You're pretty much free to use it but don't lie you didn't trace it!
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@@wendyev310 computer users know
The fact that they would’ve not gotten caught if they just generated their own AI art then traced it
Personally, compared to tracing other's art, using this to help you get a better understanding of drawing is a bit better than just. Passing the AI off as yours.
Right? Lots of people take their own photo references and then trace it. It’s a huge time-saver. This is obviously drama where there is none.
@@anonymouse257 if u use photo references u took yourself then ofc it's ok! YOU own the copyright for that. but AI art is made from someone else's art. do you not get it? and this artist isn't just using it to study, they're even selling it on inprnt and is not transparent about the references in which they traced
BRO TRACING IS OK AS LONG AS THE RESULTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE REF
Not to mention it might have been them who generated the AI in the first place, at which point it’s their reference, so who cares if they traced?
personally i think using these ai images as an inspiration for your work or for practices is okay. i've been using them as a reference for some art style and rendering study too. this person though 💀 they could've just admitted they traced it for studies, why would you lie about something so obvious and claim it's your own work/idea.
They are excellent to get color palettes (like, truly amazing at that) and some design inspiration, but AI images are many times not someting I would call "finished".
I tried making a picture with prompts and impainting, and it didn't come close to what I had in mind. Sketching is still much faster, at least to me.
I'm so glad she has a TH-cam account because I was listening to her talk and I was thinking "damn I could listen to this forever"
Her personality just adds more spiciness to it all. ✨
there was more art that me and my friend and i noticed that they copied/traced before and it’s krazy how they didn’t stop. they probs thought they wouldn’t be caught. also they were exposed before and i liked the post of that exposure tweet and lmao they blocked me after even if i don’t even follow them. that’s when i realised they’re guilty fr
Literally found her randomly on IG and I was pulled in by her art but stayed for the personality shes so dope 😭😂💯
ME TOO
also the fact that you have actual captions available instead of youtube's silly auto generated ones is a BLESSING. thank you sm. so many commentary youtubers dont take the time to help their HoH audiences like that
What is HOH?
@@ericamutowodzwa628hard of hearing
When I need to make initial character designs for my comic quickly, I usually will trace an irl persons pose so I know how I should draw them in the future, it’s made it easier for me to understand what an actually persons body type is supposed to look like without having to go through looking for a perfect revenge of their intended body type.
It is possible that the AI traced his work, the models are trained on art from all across the web. It’s rare that the lines would be exact but not impossible, especially with a pretty typical “anime” male face.
that's what i thought too. it's a very typical pretty, style 3/4 angle anime semi-realistic face, might be a coincidence... but the video they posted actually reveal they DO trace 😂
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I think using tracing as a tool can really help when creating artworks. Actually, many traditional artists have been using tracing in their creative process for a long time, going way back to the 15th century with the use of camera obscura. It helps them make their drawings accurate and on point. So, the real deal is not about tracing itself, but what you're tracing and where it comes from. 'Cause it could totally be a copyright issue, especially when it comes to AI-generated art. The whole copyright situation for AI art is still kinda fuzzy, which is why tracing AI-generated art can easily get some serious hate and backlash.
I'm very happy I came across your channel, I dony find alot of art commentary done this way and it is very refreashing
You're such a creative and hilarious content creator it makes me jealous that my sense of humour isnt as good as yours.
there are probably endless things you could be jealous of so why bother?
This is such a weird time to live in. AI stealing from humans to make something and then humans stealing from Ai to pretend they created something. The original artist got lost in the whole mess.
I haven't watched the video yet but if they were trying to make a statement about "taking back" AI art wouldn't you think they would've said that they traced it ? Why would they try and pass it off as their own ??
Lets also not ignore the fact that AI art may mesh other unwilling artists art into the product.. what you trace could possibly be someone elses stolen work.. ( Also why would you heavily trace and then try and pass it off as your own?? Heck! Even just tracing without mentioning that you did is a nono...)
Ngl, I think since it’s ai art it’s a fairly victimless crime. Doesn’t mean they should deny that they did it, but the ai’s feelings aren’t gonna get hurt.
Yeah that's what I was thinking
Thank You! Like It's AI? Isn't That Copyright-Free? Who Cares If It's Traced?
Tho she did mention that ai art comes from thousands of artist hard earned skill to produce their beautiful artwork (its why ai art is so problematic) so you would have to account for that. Taking from something exploitative can be refreshing but in the end, you're also piggyback off of this exploitation by out right tracing it. Tho imo I don't mind if it's to learn but this artist clearly wants to pass it off as they own hard earned skill and artwork before they were ousted so their image and attitude about it is not a good look.
The issue is that they are selling brushes and telling people that is what they use to create this. Brushes are so important to artists and I think the poor artists who buy it thinking it will help the. Are victims
AI art steals other people's work and smushes them together. It is theft.
Rin your commentary is really good and like to listen to you talk! Lots of good opinions and thoughts!!😩
you are ridicously talented with your commentary, break out of your niche art and do commentary on drama, like pengiun, honestly you are crazy talented!
your style of editing and your commentary is literally perfect. you're so entertaining to watch. usually my adhd brain gets bored watching commentary videos but your jokes and silly lil editing bits have me in a CHOKEHOLD.
I saw another artist "stealing" From ai, but they didnt do this shit-they actually redrew an ai art which i think is okay;but tracing? Thats stooping so low💀and when i meant redrew, they used the ai as a reference:)
But this right here is completely insane😭😭BC ITS STILL TRACING SOMEONE ELSE'S ART-AI IS MIXED PEOPLE, ITS A MIX OF ALL OTHER ARTIST'S STYLES😭
The ai arts we all see, there are artists who actually have these styles, but stolen:(
Would I follow them? No, did he do 98% more work than the ai person, Yes
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I like it when people are shatting on AI, but if you're just gonna trace it you wouldn't grow as an artist. It's like stealing a plant from a forest and convince people that you grew it
Good argument. However... Tracing does have benefits. You could kinda memorize a body part by tracing and that'll fuel your creativity enough for you to be able to make your own... Unless if the person just wants to trace.
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Technically they are in their full right to trace AI art since AI art cannot be copyrighted or owned or whatever. If you do not believe me, search it up. The only parts of an ai art that can be owned art parts that were drawn by an actual person. And since you can’t, well, only in some rare instances, trace the images that make up an ai artwork back to the original artists works that made up the ai artwork (not sure if that made sense). You would never know. So this person who traced the AI, that art is legally theirs actually. They should have said they traced at least though instead of lying.
May be a controversial opinion, but personally, I don’t have a problem with this. AI art is ridiculous. It can put real artists out of their job, which is really sad. I personally am an artist. I don’t touch AI art, because I don’t want to support it. I also don’t trace because I don’t want to get accused of it like this person did. That stuff worries me though. But what I mean is that this ai art is getting so advanced you can say stuff like, “a pretty girl in a sitting post in [an artists style]” and it will draw it in that artist’s style. Which means if that artist has commissions, people could just ask ai art and they wouldn’t get as many commissions. Which of course can lower their earnings. That’s just an example though.
I have personally used AI just to practice on my coloring and lighting - although I reference it rather than trace it (I do not sell my art or share it outside of my small friend group lol)
Ive always struggled to see the difference between tracing with modern tools like procreate and simply using a model
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Or the AI stole their work that is how AI gets their art style by Stealing From Artists. I hope nothing like this ever happens to me. That’s why I’m so scared to post my work on the Internet. 😂 Also tracing the outline of a model is not going to create that beautiful picture at the end. The person is still a great artist. I’m personally not a tracer but I don’t think that makes their art inferior to people who decide not to trace the outline of a model. What makes the painting is the hours of rendering to takes to make something realistic and stylistic at the same time at least that’s my opinion.
I agree, honestly kinda sad. I think it'd be a funny move to trace AI "artists" images, but in a mocking/trolling way. The idea of someone taking AI art base paintover to turn it into an art career feels like we'd come a full, crusty circle
You can't copyright a style, however.
@@DonVigaDeFierrono but using the name is impersonation and can be identity theft in some regions. Also using copyrighted works without permission is illegal in a lot of places
@@DonVigaDeFierro you can't copyright a style, but you can copyright an individual artwork. if AI is using that artwork to create other "art" work, it's intellectual property being stolen. just need the laws to catch up to society
Van gogh's Bedroom painting had wonky perspective (by choice I know but thats not the point) but DID IT STOP IT FROM BEING A POPULAR ART PIECE?! no. So its fine to be imperfect because its YOU👉❤
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I love you so much! You're so funny and your personality is SO AMAZING. Also, you're so pretty. Anyway, amazing video, as always!!
"There's not so much drama in the art community we're kind of a chill bunch"
Came here for the drama, did not expect the wholesome message at the end 💞
hello rin you inspired my art so much ever since I discovered your channel your videos are hilarious and good to listen to when drawing
I'd even say go for it, trace AI art, BUUUUT be up front about it. When I trace it's obvious cause I'm experimenting and the proportions are suddenly more realistic. However, while I don't think an artist should get flamed for tracing AI art a lot, if they don't improve because of it, it's on them.
ur videos give me life i love ur commentary so so much
Hey I just joined today and I love your content so far you explain things perfectly and it’s so easy to listen to you
I think it's perfectly valid to take the ai images and show how we as artists can still improve it in ways that a computer would never think to but u gotta be honest abt it yk
Actually, I agree for the most part about being "chill" but probably moreso outwardly, and how I am probably perceived by other people. But inside, oh man, the mental battles inside, the feelings! They come out in the drawings, right? That's what makes artists so passionate anyway. We seem chill on the outside, but inside, we are so full of drama. Maybe not our own life, but perception and reality. Anyway, I just stumbled on this video today, love the humor, and your commentary. You have so much charisma! Love it!
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THANK YOU. You really hit the nail on the head about AI art and what it means for artists.
just found you and your videos are lovely
Just out of curiosity.
What would you say if a person created a 3D model, even go as far as sculpting the model, in Blender/Zbrush, setting up a camera shot, taking a render and then bringing that render into Krita/Photoshop in order to trace it and use it for your art/comic/commission/whatever.
How would you compare that type of tracing vs tracing photos, especially ones you didn't take? And also without disclosing it.
3d/2d artist. You're still the creator and doing those things takes creativity and your hard earned knowledge. And the added bonus is youre not relying on someone else's artwork as a base to basically just straight out trace
"I don't trace"
"Here's a video of me tracing"
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"The internet will be there when you come back". This is something that may people need to learn...
Funny, when I finally got my ass and got into an art school instead of self-learning, surprise surprise the first thing the teacher taught us was to ....TRACE! Yes we were all shocked and it took multiple scolding until we got into the habit of finding / taking good references to trace from. So Yup, I'm always confused on whether its pragmatic or shamful to trace.
I feel for the poor artist, Yes some of them art shown are almost step by step with change in character/color scheme.
But Let's be honest here, if someone didn't intentionally want to make his life hard on purpose no one would have batted an eye at the similarities even when they are there next to each other. It's public speech here at work and not a fault of the artist for drawing / copying / referencing / tracing an art, especially an AI one!
You are right, it IS a PR incident
like AI art is already copywrite nightmare, and no Real Human Artists are getting neither their due credit from AI, nor being harmed when someone traces or even 'steals' from an AI generated art.
otherwise people and artist, refer back to original to avoid being with hunted with pitch forks like this poor dude
let THAT be the lesson learned
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Excuse me, i had question. If i wanna draw from a picture or somebody's photos, am i included as artist who tracing?
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I sometimes take a drawing or a person and just draw the pose sketch. I don’t deny it and I still know how to pose I’m lazy sometimes://
i just found rin today and her humor made me subscribe 50 seconds into the video
honestly there is nothing wrong with using the pose and composotion as long as you clearly state that u have used this composotion from the Ai art thingi. And getting mad over like a pose, this only refrers to a pose or something tho and not the whole artwork
4:04 She says it's frowned upon to trace...as an artist of 35 years I would sorely have to disagree. Lots of professional artists trace pictures (for realism) and most of the time their own sketches. Now, we need to let the general audience know a simple fact...drawing or painting your piece in one sitting, straight up with no reference and no mistakes is not a feasible technique. Kim Jung Gi is one of the few that operate like this but it is not common. Most, if not ALL artists, trace. It's a part of the building process: Loose sketch, tighten up the shapes, find placement for a more pleasing composition, etc.
There is no inherent shame that comes with tracing in the artist world because all the greats did it. What IS frowned upon is the lying/denial of having to trace.
I do both, trace and original art, and both hold equal quality. If someone thinks my tracing is a way of "cheating", I then show them my original art in pencil and that reveals to them that I DO know how to draw. It's not just about "drawing" a piece but more like "creating" a piece using a slow, repetitive process that lets them slowly control and refine the final piece. If the artist is lying about tracing, then it means that they are either insecure of their skill set or they literally have no skill set.
In the comic book art world, inkers get crapped on all the time for 'tracing" over someone else's pencils without realizing how much work, technique and knowledge goes into using the proper tools to get that professional look.
So basically, not everyone who traces can draw. Digital or not, it still takes a wealth of knowledge (Lighting, shading, color theory, line work, etc.) to even create just a decent mediocre piece. If someone is a "good tracer", there's a likely possibility that person already has the skills. It's the terrible tracers that are easy to spot.
Be confident in your creations, no matter what process you use. Let the final piece speak for itself.
All in all, I love the video!
she's not talking about tracing your own drawings, inking it. or how you ink manga drawings as work etc.... but tracing over someone else's work and saying that's his own work....
If you trace YOUR OWN work then fine do whatever. But tracing SOMEONE’S work and claiming you did it all is where it’s bad. Simple difference.
Bravo girl, great clips!
Does anyone know the name of the image generated by the AI? It looks so beautiful and captivating but I don't know how to get it.
She had a inspirational speech at the end😔👌✨
Also she's gorgeous
I honestly don't really mind because while they traced the layout, they still colored it themself. I just don't understand why they needed to deny these allegations because like there isn't anything inherently wrong with taking shortcuts (unless you're selling your art, then that is a problem)
I don't think anyone would have minded if he said he used AI as reference
@@mateomoreano9 exactly! So i don't understand why they had to lie about it lmao
@@t00tt00t yeah he did himself dirty there, maybe he was just chasing clout
@@mateomoreano9ai steals art, photos medical files and other personal info along with the cp used , so yes there is a problem with it.
@@bunnywar firefly does not steal
Huh, I would love to know the source painting/artist from which AI stole. It's fricking beautiful!
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One thing I've always wondered about is where is the line drawn between we humans using visual information we've gathered from our perceptions as reference when creating original art, and an AI/diffuser using visual information it's gathered from its perceptions as reference when creating original art? People look at each other's art all the time for reference/inspiration; we are, in essence, using others' art to create our own. Never seen anyone bring it up, but it seems like such an obvious thing. Then again, I don't engage with public forums much, so I may have missed that part of the debate.
Personally I'm okay with trasing. The only problem I have with it is when they trace another drawing and then sell that traced image.
Personally I trace fairly often, but I make sure it's always from real like photos, never someone else's drawings. And even then I do still change elements like clothes or hair style on top of already the basic changes like colour, lighting, line art style,etc. And I always credit the original photo if I know where it came from. If I don't I say where I found the photo (ex. if I found it on pinterest I'd say who posted it on pinterest)
If you're tracing someone else's drawing and not selling your traced version then I'm okay with it, because it's such a huge learning help. I remember when I just started out drawing I would spend hours tracing and trying my best to copy league of legends photos because their anatomy, poses, and perspectives are great. Personally I think its okay to show these photos even when you trace from other art, but you should disclose that you traced it. If you don't then yeah I can see why people dislike it so muxh
I remember leaving a compliment once on this person's tumblr. They didn't reply anything, instead they just made a post about them being tired of people telling them the same old "Your artwork is beautiful, you're so talented" and that they want to hear something new. Now this is something else entirely i swear. 😭
LoL! Imagine being so full of yourself that you can now dictate how others should compliment you.
That's some narcissistic sh-t right there lol.
A lot of people never get replies, let alone compliments. Learn to accept what people are willing to offer you.
I consider *Time* to be the most valuable thing we have. It's limited, and once it's used, you can never get it back.
Each moment in your life is Literally a *once in a lifetime* moment.
If someone took some of *Their Time* to compliment me on something, I'd be *GRATEFUL AS F-!*
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Damn, that's so sad. Being bored of people loving your work and thanking you for it?
So the way I trace is I form the shapes in the references and it’s really easy to learn like that. This tracing is telling it’s theirs.
really thought that if they sped it up no one could see it??? crying
Dont get let down about the art you see in media,ai made or top artist,ilustrators,etc.
Drawing is a skill and you never stop learning,focus on what u wanna acomplish and do everything u can to reach that goal(ethically of course)
I draw as a hobby for several years on and off and watching my old drawings i almost vomit seeing how bad they are but when i compare them with what i do now i feel i progressed a lot , i much prefer to not get let down bc of my lack of skill and focus on building that skill even if it take me years to reach my goal,dont take the fun out of it even if u want to become pro and do this for a living.
This my first video ever of this channel and the examination and personality is just funny all around although every comment or so is like mine and her take on AI art and originality is great
This is a weird question but how did they find the exact original ai version?
I’m in art groups on Facebook and other artists go on witch hunts if art looks “too good”. I’ve even seen them attack artists who post progress videos. I believe there’s software that can somehow check if ai was used anywhere in the artwork.
I heard from many artist when you want to draw you have to use a reference to make sure of many other stuff are correct and some of them are gifted they don't need to use any reference just by memorizing everything like Kim Jung Gee RIP. was one of the greatest artist.
Instantly sold on subscribing after listening to her for 2 minutes and giggling! Thank you!
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Amazing point of view that you have, you great
You're hilarious and spitting out all the facts. Great video!!
the thing with tracing is that as long as you say that it is traced it's alright i think. Because it's a great learning tool
I trace some art and show them to my brother claiming I drew it
I personally get discouraged by AI gen image not because it looks good, since it HAS been programmed and trained to make it look super good, but because it gets a lot of attention than small genuine artists.
small genuine artist's art is tumblr-tier and looks like shit