The issue isn’t training, it’s integrity and accountability/punishment (or lack thereof). Cops act the way they do because they (correctly) believe that nothing will happen to them.
Actually the issue is training, A 2.0 GPA, well below the average, and 16 weeks of training is all you need to be a police officer in most states. The government has actually passed rulings that law enforcement can deny somebody for being too smart, the national average IQ score for police nationally was 21 to 22, the equivalent of a 104 IQ. It takes longer to become a beautician, than it does to be a leo. How much knowledge of law does a kid straight out of high school have?
Not in this case, it was training learning to apply techniques at the proper time is the whole issue.. he didn’t need to be handcuffed, but we also didn’t see the whole video… he might’ve been moving around erratically.. because he’s angry about whatever.. cops misinterpreted it.. cops don’t like when you make jerky movements.. and that usually happens when people are upset about something else.. but yeah, I’ve never been handcuffed in my life, even though I was swatted.. but I don’t make jerky movements when the cops are around me I’m pretty still, and I keep my hands up but not over my head but always within view and calm slow movements..
You hit on something there that really pisses me off. Let me say, unequivocally I don't give a HOT DAMN about officer safety, just like they don't give a hot damn about mine. That term should never ever leave their lips while they are out on the streets. They try and use that to break all manner of law.
So... The father was emotional because his daughter was missing... AND YOU RESTRAIN THE DAD IN CUFFS... How could that be departmental policy, if the father was not violent????
Officer safety trumps everything, this is something the are trained to do so training is just going to reinforce the whole officer safety BS! Its just like there training to yell stop resisting when cuffing someone while their beating the individual!
Cops perceive any strong emotion displayed by a black person as being a threat. That's the real institutional racism. Being worried about your kidnapped daughter is not a crime. The cops went back to the station congratulating themselves for their generosity because they didn't arrest dad for obstruction of police operations or some other bullshit charge. The truth is they injured a worried father who looked very much in control. Arizona police are on the internet all the time for shoddy police work and violations of civil rights. As a state, they need to address what is being taught to recruits in their academies and by training officers.
Yeah but it wasn’t this Supreme Court that created it. That happened I believe all the way back in the 60s either way it’s got to go. The single worst legal Doctrine ever created
If that's the policy, the policy is illegal. They have no right to handcuff anyone who is not a suspect and who is not a direct threat. Officer safety has to be more than how the officers feels. That was illegal detainment.
@writerconsidered if they are that worried about their safety they shouldn't be cops..like joining the army and being worried your life is In danger...find another line of work..
Completely unnecessary to handcuff him and abusive to put him on the ground when he’s submitting while standing. Unconscionable that he lost his job over these overly aggressive police actions.
Those 2 cops need to be Fired and Charged with Assault, excessive force violation of rights under the color of law both those cops need to spend 5 to 7 years in prison
Not the cops fault!!! Black people get so emotional!!! They have to scream, yell and swear at people!!! It's not the officers fault you're daughter is missing!!! If you're yelling, they can't understand what you're saying!!! When they try to calm you down, you start flailing your arms talking crazy talk and no one is going to understand what you're saying!!!! STFU!!!!! The cops will get moving faster if you talk to them calmly!!!
Has his daughter back but now can't feed her because he lost his job & the cops that abused him continue to go on with their lives & jobs. Unbelievable.
@@tinasan3870 even if he had the re$ources to hire an attorney, it takes YEAR(S) for these to be resolved, and usually just "settled" for a small amount... in the thousands. If you have the patience, sure.
@@andrewpena9041 What did they use as a justification to you for the firing? If that's truly the issue, seems like they could stand to see some financial pain.
Mesa PD has now extended their deadly Simon Says games from hotel hallways to apartment complex parking areas. This man should count himself lucky that Mesa PD wasn’t playing the AR-15 version of their game, like they did with Mr. Daniel Shaver…
This is unfortunately the reality of ego driven cops. Just ask Daniel Castro Barraza how things end up when you stand with your arms crossed in front of these tyrants. Gonna cost the tax payers $10mil when he wins his lawsuit. This guy needs to use some of these very easy examples to start a Monell claim showing a culture of violence and rights violations. If they didn't suspect him of a crime, they had no reason to even detain him. Time for Mesa to pay another settlement because of poor officer conduct. Pathetic!
@@ScottSimmons-fn5dz the fact about officer safety is a red herring. It goes back to Terry vs Ohio.. The point is that there isn't any respect for the public, and there never will be. But maybe someday there will be a justified fear over bad behavior. It's not really fear at the moment, it's an excuse to abuse and debase the public.
Unless, they had reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime (they didn’t)… he was under no obligation to listen to, or obey, them. Their egos just can’t handle that fact.
@@williamthomas4617it is not just their egos they are taught in the academy to take control of every situation..... If he wasn't listening to their directors based on their training..... They now need to regain control of the situation through force. Individual citizen safety is not a concern for police in their training AT ALL. Police are taught to use force by all means to go home safely at the end of the day.... Their qualified immunity will save their ass so it's better to be safe than sorry
you call 911 and get arrested after not following commands. Commands? That is the problem up front, what in the hell gives them the right to show up and start giving commands? Just like being "detained" and forced to sit on the ground, like a dog, while they "investigate". Officer safety should never trump citizen's rights because they continually abuse it. small people with power.
Legally speaking he had no obligation to follow any commands unless he was committing a crime or committed a crime and under arrest..... But they use this legal word salad to justify their criminal actions and hide behind a blanket of qualified immunity when they don't have a real leg to stand on.
Maybe to talk to the police 🚨 so they can understand what he is talking about!!! Black people get so emotional and have to scream in yell, swear at police, so to calm them down, they put him in cuffs!!!!
@@johnathansolloscy2897 Anyone would be emotional if their daughter was kidnapped. That doesn't mean they should be forced to the ground and handcuffed.
@@Kirby467-sk2hs You don't know the circumstances!!! Emotional people cause more trouble than they need to!!! People can't understand you when you're yelling and screaming and swearing all the time!! Just be quiet and talk slow and police will get more done!!! From then on, if I were the police, I would just get back in my car and leave!!!
Unless, they had reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime (they didn’t)… he was under no obligation to listen to, or obey, them. Their egos just can’t handle that fact.
Didn't violate policy, yet retraining will take place. If retraining is needed, it's obvious policy was violated. I hope racial sensitivity will be on the list of that retraining. Asking this father where is his "baby mama" explains all the actions that followed.
That part right there is where common sense enters the building but apparently the Mesa PD are outside wondering why they are outside when door infront of them.
They did nothing wrong BUT need more training?! So. when they have a suspect, no matter who or what they did, they have to immediately force them to the ground even when they comply? I say "Bullshit"!
Ok, being emotional about your child who was just kidnapped is a reason to be handcuffed?!? Then, say the cops need more training?!? Obviously, the police "academy" isn't doing a very good job. My wife's brother and sister in the Philippines had to go to college for a criminology degree, and pass a board exam, before going to training for police.
They have no authority to give directives unless ur being detained. 4th amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures. If ur not seized, detained, then why would u have to follow any orders?
The Constitution is not absolute. It’s up to the safety concerns of the government. The Democratic Governor of New Mexico has already stated this as the Rule of the Land in our Democrat Run Country.
He was getting "emotional." The crybabies feared for their lives. "Officer's safety" is the catch-phrase for being able to get away with just about anything.
Cops need to respect when people are suffering from medical conditions. Also guy was right, if they require more training they should not be on the streets. And finally, handcuffing and taking an innocent man to the ground for not following instructions and for their safety……what the actual f**k
Retraining an adult that can't figure out right and wrong in the first place or doesn't care too. Spare us, it's not the training they hire the bottom of the barrel because... birds of a feather.
“Neither officer violated policy, but both will receive additional training.” Interesting way to both admit and deny their officers’ stupidity. “So why was [he] detained at all? Mesa police say he wasn’t following directions.” HE DOESN’T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY OF THEIR DIRECTIONS UNLESS HE’S CHARGED WITH A CRIME. People, when are we going to learn.
Dont cops know that the officer safety crap is a joke everyone knows it. Its like stop resisting, heres the deal, in this day and age! Just give it up already
They'll never give it up. It's too easy for them to use it. The cops with actual sensitivity to citizens often are the ones that leave law enforcement. You forgot, "At the end of the day....".
I am a child of a former police officer. You have no say over what is considered crap and what’s considered safety for them. I detest people like you who get their information from tik tok and twitter and you think you know how police should conduct themselves. Please sit down and STF UP!
Wow, no one violated policy yet laws were broken. That kind of sums it all up with what's wrong with law enforcement. Both officers should be criminally charged and prosecuted.
Typical of Mesa PD, Mesa PD is worse than Phoenix PD. Entire Mesa force needs to be retrained. Mesa has a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later if you survive. Just remember the cop who murdered an unarmed suspect laying on the ground at the La Quinta Inn.
So let me get this straight….called 911 for help. Cause ex wife came and took child without permission and I get abused by cops for them being afraid. WTH!!!
Get a good lawyer as he was.The victim called 911 and subsequently victimized.And of course you're gonna say the officers did nothing wrong.However, the are actions in regards to training show.They know this was inappropriate
Another situation where someone called police for help and the officers become afmggresive with him, escalate the situation, use force to cuff him ? And the police department says the did nothing wrong and followed procedures ! What a joke. What has happened to protect and serve ? Seems like if you need help the last people to call is the police. More training will do no good when they have been told they did nothing wrong.
so, if you assault and injure and innocent party, you get "retrained". Begs the question, how come he didn't know this before.. I've never been trained as a cop, but I know not to assault people. WTF?
Dear ABC news… Why in the hell didn’t you show the portion of the video where they claimed this man created the problem and wouldn’t follow instruction? Is that so hard to do?
What company fires you for something you did not even do and not even at the actual workplace ? I will never buy anything again EVER from this company.
I don't think additional training is going to do anything, if your first reaction is to give the person who called you a hard time because their kid was just kidnapped, probably shouldn't be interacting with the public because you don't understand basic human emotions.
Mesa PD essentially says “We investigated ourselves, and found no nothing wrong”. Mesa PD also says “The officers involved will receive retraining”. There is not a world where those 2 statement exist at the same time in the same situation. If they need to be retrained, it because they did something wrong. Had they acted acceptably, there would be no need to retrain them. The reporters should ask the Chief if he’d like to see his father treated this way. If the answer is “no”, then they can ask a follow up question of “why not, if these officer did nothing wrong?” Of course the reporters won’t ask and even if they did, the CoP would not give an honest answer.
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Retraining using the same training that failed in the first place... brilliant solution.
💯 a problem can never be solved at the level that created it
More Broken Police Training.
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@@johndoe-ss9bzgo way, lamb
Retraining stupid people leaves you with retrained stupid people.
Typical police behavior. There is no situation so bad that police won't make worse. Never call the police.
I like the way you expressed that.
As a non-white persona, yes, that mekes sense to me, I'll be the first suspect at the situation I'm calling for help...
Please don’t call the police, even if you really need them. Save the taxpayers money
Correct! DEFUND the Police!!! Create at a NEW and better way!!!
@@falcon127 what new and better way?
abused and cost his job for calling 911..everyone better take a hint.This is the world we live in.
Its the world you live in, and in large part due to US culture, but this kind of thing is actually quite rare in most other western countries.
@@AussieNaturalist Folks get arrested for social media posts in other western countries...
@@AussieNaturalistyou don’t know shart. And don’t live in America so stfu
Pretty sure it’s been this way since police were slave-catchers
@AussieNaturalist Dream on ...your police are some of the worst...and I'm sad to say it... not political or jingoistic
Training can’t fix stupid.
@@jamnolan6010 training can’t fix poor judgment.
And it can't impart empathy or understanding....
The issue isn’t training, it’s integrity and accountability/punishment (or lack thereof). Cops act the way they do because they (correctly) believe that nothing will happen to them.
Qualified Immunity is the opposite of Freedom and Justice for All.
That and employing useless dwarven female cops.
Actually the issue is training, A 2.0 GPA, well below the average, and 16 weeks of training is all you need to be a police officer in most states. The government has actually passed rulings that law enforcement can deny somebody for being too smart, the national average IQ score for police nationally was 21 to 22, the equivalent of a 104 IQ. It takes longer to become a beautician, than it does to be a leo. How much knowledge of law does a kid straight out of high school have?
@@rwoodey68👌🏿
Not in this case, it was training learning to apply techniques at the proper time is the whole issue.. he didn’t need to be handcuffed, but we also didn’t see the whole video… he might’ve been moving around erratically.. because he’s angry about whatever.. cops misinterpreted it.. cops don’t like when you make jerky movements.. and that usually happens when people are upset about something else.. but yeah, I’ve never been handcuffed in my life, even though I was swatted.. but I don’t make jerky movements when the cops are around me I’m pretty still, and I keep my hands up but not over my head but always within view and calm slow movements..
He did not lick their boots quickly enough so they feared for their safety!
You hit on something there that really pisses me off. Let me say, unequivocally I don't give a HOT DAMN about officer safety, just like they don't give a hot damn about mine. That term should never ever leave their lips while they are out on the streets. They try and use that to break all manner of law.
99% of the time "Officer Safety" is an excuse to humiliate the citizen, and turn them into a "Subject" for abuse and humiliation.
@davidgriffin6724 righteous..maybe these two should find another line of work....nobody forced them to be a cop..
@davidgriffin6724 poor guy..I feel for him..already traumatized..of course cops made it worse....
Goddamn right.
There should be legal consequences for these officers. They should be facing assault charges
That only exists in a country based on freedom and justice for all.
Unfortunately, this isn't that, this is the U.S.A.
@@bcgambit80be the change you want to see in your community. Rolling over and taking it isn’t the American way.
@@danf1862 Bending over the working class so the elite class can live in excessive luxury isn't the American way either, yet here we are.
@@bcgambit80 jackass
@@bcgambit80 X2
So... The father was emotional because his daughter was missing... AND YOU RESTRAIN THE DAD IN CUFFS... How could that be departmental policy, if the father was not violent????
Not just that. The fact that they needed to put him on the ground to detain him is insane
Because they use the magical word officer safety.
As if anybody is going to attack a police officer that they asked to help them 🙄
Officer safety trumps everything, this is something the are trained to do so training is just going to reinforce the whole officer safety BS! Its just like there training to yell stop resisting when cuffing someone while their beating the individual!
Cops perceive any strong emotion displayed by a black person as being a threat. That's the real institutional racism. Being worried about your kidnapped daughter is not a crime. The cops went back to the station congratulating themselves for their generosity because they didn't arrest dad for obstruction of police operations or some other bullshit charge. The truth is they injured a worried father who looked very much in control.
Arizona police are on the internet all the time for shoddy police work and violations of civil rights. As a state, they need to address what is being taught to recruits in their academies and by training officers.
@@alexmartin6359 isn't Phoenix PD specifically the one that's under a federal investigation?
How do you retrain someone to be a decent human being? Their own parents weren’t able to do that in 18 years.
if you can't retrain them then they dont belong, that simple.
@@eugeneray8829 they should never have been police...and neither should most who have the job
Qualified Immunity is unconstitutional.
Apparently not ! 😮
Neither is absolute. But Trump wants that.
Try telling that to the crooks at the supreme courts
Yeah but it wasn’t this Supreme Court that created it. That happened I believe all the way back in the 60s either way it’s got to go. The single worst legal Doctrine ever created
No; it is not and has been upheld by the supreme Court several times
If that's the policy, the policy is illegal. They have no right to handcuff anyone who is not a suspect and who is not a direct threat. Officer safety has to be more than how the officers feels. That was illegal detainment.
Do what's told and go home. Quit resisting and arguing.smdh.
@writerconsidered if they are that worried about their safety they shouldn't be cops..like joining the army and being worried your life is In danger...find another line of work..
detention
Doesn't violate their policy! Just the LAW, so its totally OK!
@EnigmicIdentity if it doesn't violation why are they being retraining??
as long as there is qualified immunity incidents like this will never end
This isn't a training issue. Law enforcement careers attract sociopaths, and there isn't proper vetting.
Right on point
EXACTLY
Look up a TH-camr detective Thornton.
He admits all about the them versus us mentality they try to pound into the head of training
Prof. Jordan Peterson done a video explaining how so many cops are sociopaths.
how can there be proper vetting with sociopaths doing the vetting?
Completely unnecessary to handcuff him and abusive to put him on the ground when he’s submitting while standing. Unconscionable that he lost his job over these overly aggressive police actions.
Totally violated his civil rights and human rights.
Taught him a little lesson though.😂😂😂
@ClarkKent-bi7oq ha yeah, FAFO I guess...or should I say don't listen and find out..
@@918-Verax Hate to see what Cops would do to a deaf man.😂😂😂
Note: rights violations and police misconduct are within Mesa PD policy. Sounds like residents should think about moving 🤷♂️
Those 2 cops need to be Fired and Charged with Assault, excessive force violation of rights under the color of law both those cops need to spend 5 to 7 years in prison
I agree 100%
I agree. They need to charge the two cops for how they treated the victim.
Not the cops fault!!! Black people get so emotional!!! They have to scream, yell and swear at people!!! It's not the officers fault you're daughter is missing!!! If you're yelling, they can't understand what you're saying!!! When they try to calm you down, you start flailing your arms talking crazy talk and no one is going to understand what you're saying!!!! STFU!!!!! The cops will get moving faster if you talk to them calmly!!!
Has his daughter back but now can't feed her because he lost his job & the cops that abused him continue to go on with their lives & jobs. Unbelievable.
He should lawyer up and claim a big lawsuit.....
@@tinasan3870 even if he had the re$ources to hire an attorney, it takes YEAR(S) for these to be resolved, and usually just "settled" for a small amount... in the thousands. If you have the patience, sure.
Don’t forget these cops will make plenty of overtime. Merry Christmas.
Wow his job fired him after this? Boss is a real pos
@OJdidit93905 They said laid off. It might be coincidence.
His Employer believes American Society's DOUBLE STANDARD stating that the Man/Father is ALWAYS the Aggressor and Never the Victim.
Qal tek fired me for rendering military honors at a funeral as a Navy reservist.
@@andrewpena9041 What did they use as a justification to you for the firing? If that's truly the issue, seems like they could stand to see some financial pain.
@enmiredbythelazy4401 unfortunately, the only recourse I have is the DOL can force them to give me my job back.
Mesa PD has now extended their deadly Simon Says games from hotel hallways to apartment complex parking areas. This man should count himself lucky that Mesa PD wasn’t playing the AR-15 version of their game, like they did with Mr. Daniel Shaver…
This is unfortunately the reality of ego driven cops. Just ask Daniel Castro Barraza how things end up when you stand with your arms crossed in front of these tyrants. Gonna cost the tax payers $10mil when he wins his lawsuit. This guy needs to use some of these very easy examples to start a Monell claim showing a culture of violence and rights violations. If they didn't suspect him of a crime, they had no reason to even detain him. Time for Mesa to pay another settlement because of poor officer conduct. Pathetic!
@@concernedcitizen1874that degenerate isn’t winning anything. Let alone 10 million. Don’t be delusional
Why do they feel the need to throw a man down on the hot pavement in August?
Control. Respect for authority. You know, all those things America fought the English to abolish.
So that you are beneath them, and to take your dignity away from you.
It's what all police do to control an unruly person!!! What do you do, want the officers to F-ing dance with people like that??? Idiot 😡
Just because a man is highly emotional there was no need to take him to the mat that was just fucked up
Retrained???? How can you retrain bullies? He was following directions, the cops were just too thick to see it.
Why were 'directions' even necessary?
The mentality of these cops and apparently the entire department is baffling!
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 ::Mentally unsuited for LEO's.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 ...He is a black man that is his first flaw!
They only see criminal.
The police did nothing wrong.
The police require retraining.
An interesting contradiction, don't you think?
Nah, they are being retrained to attack people who record them.
It's funny, but you're so RIGHT!¡
He’s the caller not suspect
Why the hell did his job lay him off?
You can’t train someone to not be an idiot
@@mikecziraky2037 you can permanently prevent it from happening again.
@@stevenjr.5536 threatening the police? About as dumb as the Dad.
@@ScottSimmons-fn5dz no threat. Just stating a fact.
@@stevenjr.5536 and what exactly is your fact.
@@ScottSimmons-fn5dz the fact about officer safety is a red herring. It goes back to Terry vs Ohio.. The point is that there isn't any respect for the public, and there never will be. But maybe someday there will be a justified fear over bad behavior. It's not really fear at the moment, it's an excuse to abuse and debase the public.
Never call a cop for "help "
Please don’t, ever.
@ScottSimmons-fn5dz What are talking about???
@@JamesGardner-lr3ro you don’t like police, then don’t ever call one. Are you thick in the head?
Remember you said that when you are a victim of crime.
@cupholder7758 like this guy was???...plus I'll never be a victim..because I'm legally armed..
From the top on down this Police Force needs help.
They should be fired and charged with assault
Imagine assaulting someone at your job and your only consequence is getting “retrained”, absolutely ludicrous
This is why the DOJ has to get involved. You cannot train people how to be humans.
Need to file federal law suite against them tyrants and their department. Mesa PD is the poster child for corrupt Police from the top down.
Wasn't following instructions? Would anyone follow instructions from cops that act like that? Be like taking advice from a Middle School kid.
Unless, they had reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime (they didn’t)… he was under no obligation to listen to, or obey, them. Their egos just can’t handle that fact.
@@williamthomas4617it is not just their egos they are taught in the academy to take control of every situation..... If he wasn't listening to their directors based on their training..... They now need to regain control of the situation through force.
Individual citizen safety is not a concern for police in their training AT ALL.
Police are taught to use force by all means to go home safely at the end of the day.... Their qualified immunity will save their ass so it's better to be safe than sorry
Policing in America needs to change.😡😡😡😡😡😡
Why? So we can let’s democrats turn our Country over to MS13? No thanks.
The idiotic public are the ones that need changing.
@@ScottSimmons-fn5dz Yes. Too many Karens, sheep, and bootlickers.
Bacon again???
you call 911 and get arrested after not following commands. Commands? That is the problem up front, what in the hell gives them the right to show up and start giving commands? Just like being "detained" and forced to sit on the ground, like a dog, while they "investigate". Officer safety should never trump citizen's rights because they continually abuse it. small people with power.
You said it all. Couldn't agree more.
If he wasn't a suspect or breaking any laws, why does he have to follow any instructions, like at all?
Legally speaking he had no obligation to follow any commands unless he was committing a crime or committed a crime and under arrest..... But they use this legal word salad to justify their criminal actions and hide behind a blanket of qualified immunity when they don't have a real leg to stand on.
@@willlawson6126 Very true.
Maybe to talk to the police 🚨 so they can understand what he is talking about!!! Black people get so emotional and have to scream in yell, swear at police, so to calm them down, they put him in cuffs!!!!
@@johnathansolloscy2897 Anyone would be emotional if their daughter was kidnapped. That doesn't mean they should be forced to the ground and handcuffed.
@@Kirby467-sk2hs You don't know the circumstances!!! Emotional people cause more trouble than they need to!!! People can't understand you when you're yelling and screaming and swearing all the time!!
Just be quiet and talk slow and police will get more done!!! From then on, if I were the police, I would just get back in my car and leave!!!
We dont pay for officer safety we pay for Citizens safety
Being emotional is a crime? He wasn’t tossing trash at cars.
Re-trained ? As Mesa Police are trained to do exactly as they did . Maybe a paradigm shift in thinking and training is in order.
Unless, they had reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime (they didn’t)… he was under no obligation to listen to, or obey, them. Their egos just can’t handle that fact.
When you have a problem and you call the police, you now have 2 problems. I am sure phoenix PD would be happy to hire these 2 cops.
Great advice.
This is not a training issue this is a command issue
this gentleman now knows better than to call domestic terrorists for help
In every single, one of those officers went along with this! That's really scary.
Didn't violate policy, yet retraining will take place. If retraining is needed, it's obvious policy was violated. I hope racial sensitivity will be on the list of that retraining. Asking this father where is his "baby mama" explains all the actions that followed.
That part right there is where common sense enters the building but apparently the Mesa PD are outside wondering why they are outside when door infront of them.
WHAT? NO PAID ... Vacation for these "officers"? That's brutal! 😂
They did nothing wrong BUT need more training?! So. when they have a suspect, no matter who or what they did, they have to immediately force them to the ground even when they comply? I say "Bullshit"!
Ok, being emotional about your child who was just kidnapped is a reason to be handcuffed?!?
Then, say the cops need more training?!? Obviously, the police "academy" isn't doing a very good job.
My wife's brother and sister in the Philippines had to go to college for a criminology degree, and pass a board exam, before going to training for police.
@@kennethduffield8684 I guess cops need to be trained on how to be human
They have no authority to give directives unless ur being detained. 4th amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures. If ur not seized, detained, then why would u have to follow any orders?
The Constitution is not absolute. It’s up to the safety concerns of the government. The Democratic Governor of New Mexico has already stated this as the Rule of the Land in our Democrat Run Country.
what crime did he commit?
He was getting "emotional." The crybabies feared for their lives. "Officer's safety" is the catch-phrase for being able to get away with just about anything.
Calling the cops while black. He's lucky Mesa PD didn't shoot him.
Police academies need to be audited.
Cops need to respect when people are suffering from medical conditions. Also guy was right, if they require more training they should not be on the streets. And finally, handcuffing and taking an innocent man to the ground for not following instructions and for their safety……what the actual f**k
You can see when they grabbed him. He was just sitting on the hood of the car.
Pay close attention folks - if you call 911 for help when your child is missing, it could cost you your job and freedom.
Retraining an adult that can't figure out right and wrong in the first place or doesn't care too. Spare us, it's not the training they hire the bottom of the barrel because... birds of a feather.
The public doesn't need to be "retrained "
He should Sue them, the department and the insurance company the department uses. If they can’t be insured they can’t be officers.
That will take at least 3 years.
Why are our standards on cops are so low?
Im a minority, and this is why i pass up job transfers to anywhere in Arizona and other crazy states.
If they did not violate any procedures why do they need retraining
“Neither officer violated policy, but both will receive additional training.” Interesting way to both admit and deny their officers’ stupidity.
“So why was [he] detained at all? Mesa police say he wasn’t following directions.” HE DOESN’T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY OF THEIR DIRECTIONS UNLESS HE’S CHARGED WITH A CRIME. People, when are we going to learn.
Dont cops know that the officer safety crap is a joke everyone knows it. Its like stop resisting, heres the deal, in this day and age! Just give it up already
They'll never give it up. It's too easy for them to use it. The cops with actual sensitivity to citizens often are the ones that leave law enforcement. You forgot, "At the end of the day....".
I am a child of a former police officer. You have no say over what is considered crap and what’s considered safety for them. I detest people like you who get their information from tik tok and twitter and you think you know how police should conduct themselves. Please sit down and STF UP!
@@purple9533 you were raised by a cowardly traitor.
Or asking people if they have weapons of mass destruction in their trunk during a traffic stopover a freaking light bulb
Wow, no one violated policy yet laws were broken. That kind of sums it all up with what's wrong with law enforcement. Both officers should be criminally charged and prosecuted.
Filing complaints is useless anymore. They'll back their own no matter how egregious their actions are. Then theyll wonder why people hate cops.
Guess we just have to keep suing the municipality until they go bankrupt to make it stop?
End qualified immunity
Typical of Mesa PD, Mesa PD is worse than Phoenix PD. Entire Mesa force needs to be retrained. Mesa has a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later if you survive. Just remember the cop who murdered an unarmed suspect laying on the ground at the La Quinta Inn.
Calling the police for a black person is a death sentence
Once some cops see that skin nothing else matters except the impulse to arrest....
Gee.. someone attacks a👮🏻.. They get re-training? Or jail time
So let me get this straight….called 911 for help. Cause ex wife came and took child without permission and I get abused by cops for them being afraid. WTH!!!
The victim gets laid off and the cop gets additional training! If I was black I would not ever call the cops
did nothing wrong but will go through retraining, um, so if they need training then they did something wrong.
Get a good lawyer as he was.The victim called 911 and subsequently victimized.And of course you're gonna say the officers did nothing wrong.However, the are actions in regards to training show.They know this was inappropriate
This cops need to lose his job not retrained and need to be lawsuit against the police department too
Lawsuit time.
why only those 2 got retrained? ALL of 'em!!!
Another situation where someone called police for help and the officers become afmggresive with him, escalate the situation, use force to cuff him ? And the police department says the did nothing wrong and followed procedures ! What a joke. What has happened to protect and serve ? Seems like if you need help the last people to call is the police. More training will do no good when they have been told they did nothing wrong.
Putting someone on the ground like that is an attempt to dehumanized that person.
Never call the police
Can anybody figure out what company fired him for being worried about his daughter so that they can be boycotted for all eternity?
All this "re-training" that we keep paying for won't fix these corrupt cops. This is a behavior problem with the cops - not a training issue.
It’s apparent that Arizona POST is not training officers correctly, neither are their FTO’s and departments.
There is no situation that can't be made worse by the presence of a police officer. Cops are monsters.
I agree...I'll say it again and again, criminal cops are the most dangerous creatures on the face of the planet.
Where’s the body cam footage???😑
Retrain , teach them how to do the same thing but this time how to get away with it . First you gotta get rid of those damn cameras .
The reporter says she saw the body cam footage, but does not confirm whether or not he was told ahead of time that his daughter was safe.
so, if you assault and injure and innocent party, you get "retrained".
Begs the question, how come he didn't know this before.. I've never been trained as a cop, but I know not to assault people. WTF?
I'm so sick of cops getting away with behavior that would put the average citizen in prison for years.
I pray he sue
Add it to that hideous Laquinta incident...😮
From someone who has just had major knee surgery this scenario terrifies me…🤕🤯
Dear ABC news… Why in the hell didn’t you show the portion of the video where they claimed this man created the problem and wouldn’t follow instruction? Is that so hard to do?
They say we don't follow directions.We're not dogs.We're not animals.They keep making excuse for these officer. Qualified immunity must go
He's a believer. Back the blue until it happens to you.
At this point, everyone should understand that if you call police an innocent person may very well end up dead. This is very uncalled for.
Soooo…. What were they trained for the first time.
What company fires you for something you did not even do and not even at the actual workplace ? I will never buy anything again EVER from this company.
never EVER call the blue line gang members for anything
If the officers followed policy, policy needs to be changed!
I don't think additional training is going to do anything, if your first reaction is to give the person who called you a hard time because their kid was just kidnapped, probably shouldn't be interacting with the public because you don't understand basic human emotions.
Mesa PD essentially says “We investigated ourselves, and found no nothing wrong”. Mesa PD also says “The officers involved will receive retraining”. There is not a world where those 2 statement exist at the same time in the same situation. If they need to be retrained, it because they did something wrong. Had they acted acceptably, there would be no need to retrain them. The reporters should ask the Chief if he’d like to see his father treated this way. If the answer is “no”, then they can ask a follow up question of “why not, if these officer did nothing wrong?” Of course the reporters won’t ask and even if they did, the CoP would not give an honest answer.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 stop calling police if you are person of colour.
After 50 years on this planet, the police never fail to surprise me with their stupidity