I feel so bad for the husband in the first story. Imagine having to come to terms with the fact your dad has a breastfeeding fetish and he keeps trying to source breastmilk from your wife... Truly scarring
It's even worse when you find out that he's done this not only to his grandchild, but to his son. The update has MiL locking herself in a room to breastfeed OP's husband when he was born. I'm surprised MiL didn't say anything beforehand, but if OP's husband is an only child, she had no way of knowing about how much of a fetish this was for FiL
I'm not sure if I do. His first reaction was to act like this dad doing that wasn't a big deal at all. How on EARTH are you not instantly revolted by the mear IDEA that you father wants your wifes breast milk!? Dude seems like an idiot to me...
Boy, knowing that Ella was missing an arm, OP’s comment about “caring about aesthetics over people” makes *so* much more sense and makes the sister *so* much more horrible.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I thought it may have been a slightly mental problem where she had bursts of energy or yelled out, or something like that but no. She’s just a young girl who went through something she shouldn’t have.
I was so ready, going off of Dabney’s reaction, that OP was gonna drop he has a black wife so Ella is mixed race. Or she’s ginger or something, but THAT? I think that was worse
My son has an artificial leg. If someone excluded him due to that I would NEVER speak to them again. He’s an adult now with a wonderful partner. He went to weddings, funerals, and anywhere else any of us went.
U are nicer than me If I had children that was pyciscly disabled and someone else in my family excluded then I would break one of their limbs then go no contact to show them how it feels
He is a pervert. There’s a lot more to the story. From the extra info it sounds like he has a breastmilk/ breastfeeding kink. And before anyone starts screaming about “kink shaming”, going against someone’s consent is disgusting. And you should be shamed for that.
That I agree with. I won't speak what kink I have due to YT's rules, BUT if you're going to do that, at least get that person's consent first. Her FIL definitely knows nothing about consent.
If you want to drink breast milk get your partner pregnant or find some hormones that will make them act like they're pregnant so that they can produce breast milk for you You don't come after somebody else especially when they're not into that kind of thing.
The first story had an update: FIL has a fetish for this and apparently, the FIL had some complaints at his old job due to interuppting a female coworker pumping at a designated place. He is also banned from OP's house.
I don't blame the Dad of the amputee daughter for being angry. She has been through enough losing her mum, her arm, suffering from phantom pain that never goes away, and body shaming from someone who should be a caring person in her life. I would be proud of her if she were my daughter, and though she isn't. I'm still proud of her!!!👏💐🎉
@@eingill7614 I'm Canadian and I just spent a month in your summer in Australia. What a beautiful country. We also went to New Zealand. I found even though we're both x British colonies that you guys seem to be a bit more British than us Canadians. Even your accents a little British. Especially more than my accent because I'm from Nova Scotia and we have a pretty thick accent. In fact, I was told on many occasions when I was in Australia that I needed to slow down. I was talking to fast and my accent was pretty thick.
"I knowingly stole a $300 gift for someone else that we were all explicitly told not to even touch because I didn't think anyone would notice" Ummmm... WHAT? That's simply not even an excuse even if it WAS somewhere inconspicuous and hard to notice. What a moronic woman.
I think she has a drug problem. Op mentioned things that go missing which can be sold for a moderate amount, such as tools, $300 dollar gifts, etc. Drug addicts do things like that, and it explains the erratic behavior that no sober person would understand.
Story 3: Imagine caring more about aesthetics over a kid who LOST HER ARM. This AH singled OP's daughter out because she couldn't stand an amputee being at her wedding. Like what?! She isn't too young, disruptive or loud, she is DISABLED! rSlash is right, absolutely disgusting behavior. Go NC with her immediately and don't look back. NTA.
Truth. My dad, may he RIP, was an amputee. He was in a wheelchair my entire life, I never knew him with 2 legs. We still had a father-daughter dance at my wedding.
Story 3: Now, I'm shy and introverted irl, but if I was OP, I _absolutely_ would've made a speech at the reception calling out the sister for being an ableist POS, do a mic drop, and take back my gift. Ableists don't deserve gifts. Story 4: Scrounger is an insult in the UK, akin to welfare queen, so yes, it's a *huge* insult.
It's always hard to tell with insults from other countries. Like, is it actually a big deal or not in terms of how badly insulted you would feel? Compare something (well, realistically) common like "bitch" to "whore" or "cunt" (also on the way to becoming very common and I guess there's a lot harsher stuff, but for the sake of the argument). So, good to know it's actually very insulting, to understand why OP reacted the way she did.
@@TikkyNoSurname I'm from California, but I've been on the internet long enough, and watched enough very British entertainment, to recognize the term and know how it's taken. Best bet, if you want to playfully tease someone, because banter, is to find out where they're from first, because a silly joke where you are may be a huge insult in other places culturally. Like, you might jokingly call someone a donkey a la Donkey from Shrek 💚, but in some places calling someone a donkey is a truly grievous insult, so how dare you say something like that, them's fighting words, dishonor on your whole house, family, and cow. 😳
I was thinking klepto on story 2 as well... but considering that absurd threat.. AND HER MOTHER SUPPORTING HER!!! makes it feel more like learned entitlement.
If you guys read the comments of story 1, the baking with breastmilk is actually a common thing in the uk to help with weaning. Its kinda like baked baby porridge so that the kiddo gets something to chew on! Kinda neat, but also bland and tasteless for adults who arent creepy. The OPs MIL also admitted that when OPs husband was born, she only breastfed him for 4 months and always behind a locked door because FIL has a obsession with lactation.
Story 3: I don't think it was about "not wanting to be in the daughter's presence." My guess is that she didn't want the daughter's appearance to take attention away from "the bride on her special day." Either way, she's a disgusting human being
I was thinking the same, I had also come to the conclusion that the bride belived OP's daughter would take the attention away from her and thus that's why she singled out Ella. Utterly disgusting bridezilla.
Story 4: Geez, the classism. All OP did was talk about having a small business, and Karen called her a lying scrounger. Why, because OP didn't look upper class to Karen?
Story 4: I would have given a higher score on that one. Yes, all she did was call her a name, but the context is what matters. She called her a "scrounger." For those who don't know, that's a freeloader, beggar, or a "welfare queen." This being in an upper class area means she was definitely trying to demean OP and make her feel unwanted. It was a "we don't want your kind around here" type moment. 1/5 is definitely too low for that kind of behaviour.
The Karen should only get if 1 only if she showed remorse and admits fault. However I feel that the next time OP encounters her, the Karen with either give her the side eye or double down.
Yes she litwrally told op that she was on bemefits. I wouldnt care tho, happy to .ake a living selling hand-made jewery and making more than a wage job. I think the qoman is jealous of that and bitter.
@@lorilancaster5917 I feel like if she changes her tune once she realizes OP is not some sort of "scrounger" that would actually be worse. The woman is highly judgmental and has some sort of hatred for people she sees as "beneath her." Under no situation is that level of hoity-toity, holier-than-thou attitude just a 1 because that is a prejudice she carries throughout her daily life and in every interaction she has with others.
@@Queen_Nyxie Exactly! Even if the OP was receiving a benefit what's it to her. There are many reasons people may need financial assistance. The Karen sounds like a dreadful person.
@@It-is-me...Melsieand I’m willing to bet she’ll approach OP for pointers thinking she forgot their previous conversation. I don’t know what Karen does for a living but after she heard how well OP is doing, she may think she could do the same or better
dude the story about the amputee girl riled me up and made me mad from across the internet and a screen, how disgusting do you have to be to not want her there because of her disability
@@gconnor18 there is another thought. My Grandma would call people who abused government aid "scroungers". Scrounger was a more common word for "the Greatest Generation" and the "Silent Generation" (which my Grandma was part of, born 1929). The Silent Generation is from 1928-1945. The lady insulting OP could just be old.
story 2: The wife's defense after getting caught was basically that she thought that she would not get caught. She has to be a whole different level of entitled to think that getting away with theft is good enough justification for committing the crime itself.
A "SCROUNGER" here in the UK is used when people claim benefits... the woman was referring to the fact that OP worked from home must mean she's claiming benefits and worked cash-in-hand on the side. In effect saying she should stop taking benefits if she's earning. ... Even tho OP isn't on benefits. The woman is the asshole in that scenario.
that would probably be equivalent to a dole bludger here in Australia. Someone who is capable of getting a job but chooses not to and either lives off unemployment or fakes a disability to get disability payments. also there women who have another kid as soon as their youngest gets to the age where the parent has to start looking for a job. my MIL is one of those women. both my BIL and youngest SIL exist because of that vary reason. the only reason they don't have another sibling by now is that my MIL had to have a hysterectomy.
Ah, I thought she was accusing OP for being a part of a jewelry MLM like “Paparazzi” or something while leeching off others to support said “business” … Except OP actually owns a legit & successful business. Either way that lady was rude AF to out right falsely accuse people like that. Thanks for clearing that up!
I think it's hilarious that media and ignorance have convinced us about the greed of the poor, but somehow not the greed of the rich. That tax breaks are nothing but tax spending for the rich. That the minuscule amount that we spend to keep people from starving to death and a roof over their head. You know basic human rights are nothing compared to the giant tax cuts for billion dollar corporations. Or the fact that they don't pay their employees a livable wage and we have to subsidize it with things like food stamps. It's just such a disgusting mindset. Just proves that some people allow themselves to be manipulated by the wealthy into thinking it's poor people that are the problem in society, not the rich.
@@myopinion69420from Scotland and can absolutely confirm the “having children as soon as one is of age to no longer receive benefits.” I sorta knew this woman, she was a friend of a friend of a friend, so like in passing knew her. She went to bars at weekend and had unprotected sex with any guy who’d sleep with her just so she could get pregnant… y’know, not because she desperately wanted children, but because she wanted child benefits to buy smokes and booze. As you can guess, none of her kids were ever happy. And having several kids when unemployed and perpetually on benefits? Well that gets you social housing too, where the rent is much lower than regular rent, where housing benefits cover about 70% of the rent costs.
Story 2: I'll never understand the whole "It's not such a big deal" response that some people throw around when it really is a big deal. Add the update revealing how the wife is an abusive kleptomaniac, enabled by the MIL. Glad to see that OP is out of there
Yes to the perp it's not a big deal but they 're not the right person to act, it's their victim. If it's a big deal to the victim, then it's a big deal, period.
S1 - There were several updates to this. Turns out that FIL was also watching OP while she pumped/directly fed the baby. He has a “thing” for breast milk & everything involved. Worse still, the MIL knew about her husband’s ‘interests’. MIL actually said it was OP’s fault for not properly locking doors, & that she was asking for it. MIL had dealt w/ it that way when the husband was a baby. Once OP told husband everything he was just as mad. FIL was banned from the house, & both FIL & MIL were furious. MIL still blames OP. S2 - OP does get divorced. Wife is a thief & MIL condones it. S3 - Sister straight up lied to OP about the situation, & intentionally hurt her niece w/ no remorse. That’s w/o the “reason” behind it. The sister is embarrassed by her niece at best & disgusted at worse. Her niece who lost her mother & her arm in a horrible accident is being singled out by her for no reason. Absolutely revolting! S4 - OP don’t feel bad. That woman is a b*tch. S5 - You break it? You buy it. (At best here.) At worse, that kid could’ve gotten hurt or killed.
Story 1, THE UPDATES: replies from the comments section "I wouldn't say MIL is on my side, she told me this information in a way that sounded like it was totally normal for a man to need to be locked away from women when they're feeding babies and I kind of brought this on myself for not locking him out.I am actually really creeped that he's possibly been able to perv on me feeding at their house. I go to another room but I've never felt comfortable, guess they'll need to wait until the baby is fully weaned until we visit there again (if we ever do)." To clarify- did MIL feed FIL for months behind a locked door??? "No, she fed my infant husband. My FIL creeped her out so much she got a lock for the door." Her update: I asked my husband what he thought I was mad about (he was in the room but on the other side and occupied with the baby) and he said he didn't realise that his dad actually ate the muffin, he thought I was pissed because he was messing with them. He also didn't remember the group chat incident but agreed that both incidents together is creepy. I called MIL to "clear the air" and she revealed that FIL has always been "very interested" in lactation and she actually only fed husband for 4 months and always behind a locked door! Apparently he moved jobs after a woman complained that he kept intruding on her pumping in a designated space in the office I've told them FIL is not welcome around me and have asked for the key to our house back. I shared the concerns about him tampering with my milk (and contaminating it) and also that if his own wife wanted him locked out then I'm entitled to that too. The comment that hit my husband was the one about FIL getting off for years on the memory of eating the gross AF baby muffin. Husband said he won't be able to look FIL in the eye again.
S3 sister is a heartless human being! Can I also say she's ableist? Because I don't even need to read the story and I already know where it was going because I have read a similar story where OP was NTA but his brother and SIL were ableist against his wife's disability.
Yeah I'm freaking out over that arm story too, that's disgusting. The bride is the kind of person that would exclude people using a wheelchair. I'm zero tolerance bullying kids with disabilities because of how I was treated growing up.
Breast milk is actually supposed to be both healthy and really sweet, so if people are willing to sell it, they can make a good deal of money, that being said... WHY WOULD YOU STEAL YOUR DAUGHTER IN LAWS?
@@dinlupus3196 yeah some people are unable to produce enough, or there's the bodybuilding market, that and there's a whole kink thing for both sides on top
While its not 'vegan', I will say the FIL's thought process might have been because you can ask a woman for consent for her milk, its vegan via loophole ... granted that STILL doesn't work since he did not ask permission to take OP's breast milk. Also, this story has gotten a major update, apparently FIL literally has a breast milk fetish, and his wife, the MIL, admits to OP when she was breastfeeding her son (OP's husband) she would have to lock the door cause FIL used to want to come in and watch, and FIL has gotten in trouble with his job multiple times are making unwelcome comments towards pregnant and breastfeeding mothers at work. OP has banned FIL from the house and husband is sticking by his wife.
@@JoshuaGJustice FIL isn't even vegan, but I am just guessing that it follows the spirit of veganism because even if it a byproduct from an animal (that animal being a human), they can theoretically consent to giving it (not to sound gross, but its also the same loophole that semen can be consider vegan if given willingly). However by that logic this is not vegan, as it was not given willingly.
Lol. There is obviously a pervert on the lose in that story, that don't care for boundary's, but the interesting and more discuss worthy topic is, if breast milk is vegan or not. People and priorities.
Story 3: when he mentioned caring more about aesthetics in the main post I assumed that the kid was biracial and it was just good ol fashioned racism. But not, it’s because the child suffered a major accident and this woman doesn’t like the way the trauma looks. So bizarre
Story 3: That . . . Was not what I thought it was. I thought it was going to be a racism story or something if the daughter was biracial. This . . . This is something else. If my brother or sister did that, I'd go no contact for sure.
I didn't know the actual age so until rslash mentioned younger kids came too I legit thought this was a repeat of a story from a year ago and was about to call OP the asshole.... but God damn the kid is 12 and younger kids were invited and it turned out it was all cause her arm is amputated and "aesthetics"!? WTF This STORY is NOT what any of us could have been expecting at all
In story 4, OP is British. The phrases ‘on benefits’ and ‘scrounger’ are common phrases here. It was so funny to hear you say OP was potentially Spanish or speaks English as a second language when her first language is English.
Slashy seems to have a blind spot about slang or insults; this isn’t the first time he’s guessed an insult was from another language when it simply wasn’t American English-and I say this as an American!
He seems to assume anything not American-English is foreign and strange. Idk why he doesn't just do a quick Google to check what it means before jumping to that conclusion?
There actually is an update to the first story. OP was talking to her MIL about what happened, and MIL confessed that FIL had a fetish about lactating, so she supplemented by letting him breastfeed off her. Also, the FIL was fired from a job because he was stealing a coworker’s milk if I remember correctly. So OP obviously said FIL still can’t go over
Its actually so much worse MIL used to have to breastfeed her son as a baby (who is OP's Husband now that he's a grown man) behind a locked door. Because he made her feel so unsafe or weird or something by his horny gaze. Then he either got reprimanded or indeed fired for Peeping on a Coworker who was pumping breastmilk in a designated area for it at work.
At that point it stops being a fetish and becomes a full blown obsession. MIL had to breast feed her husband to keep him calm? Sexually harassing his son's wife? Stealing breast milk from a coworker?! He needs serious SERIOUS therapy.
Update to story 1:I asked my husband what he thought I was mad about (he was in the room but on the other side and occupied with the baby) and he said he didn't realise that his dad actually ate the muffin, he thought I was pissed because he was messing with them. He also didn't remember the group chat incident but agreed that both incidents together is creepy. I called MIL to "clear the air" and she revealed that FIL has always been "very interested" in lactation and she actually only fed husband for 4 months and always behind a locked door! Apparently he moved jobs after a woman complained that he kept intruding on her pumping in a designated space in the office. I've told them FIL is not welcome around me and have asked for the key to our house back. I shared the concerns about him tampering with my milk (and contaminating it) and also that if his own wife wanted him locked out then I'm entitled to that too. The comment that hit my husband was the one about FIL getting off for years on the memory of eating the gross AF baby muffin. Husband said he won't be able to look FIL in the eye again.
"In English scrounger as an insult sounds bizarre." I think what you mean is that in American English it sounds bizarre. It's a commonly used insult in Britain.
And it's not the parts that broke that are expensive... It's the labor to install them and repair any damaged gel coat on the hull. Over 20 years ago I glanced off a friend's key ski... Very superficial damage if you looked at it. But his was less than 6 months old and it was over $3k in damages! I agreed to pay for it. Life went on we were friends for a long time after until I left for another job.
It's a normal thing. Mums will use breastmilk in Baby food making, even in Popsicles! It's just another way for baby who still feeds off Mum to get those nutrients in different foods. Sometimes it's done to wean baby off of the breast or bottle feedings too!
The wildest thing is that you've never heard of using breast milk in making baby food items which leads me to believe that you don't have kids and have never been closely around new families
At first I was suspicious about the excluded daughter. There was obviously something about Ella that singled her out, and the fact OP didn't bring up any reason is entitled parent behavior. But when you consider the bride got nervous when confronted, and OP said "aesthetics over people," it really makes the explanation sound valid, even if it's from another party. Bride is a demon, send her back to Hell.
For the vegan comment in the first story, it’s even more wild. Some people are vegan because it’s non-consensual; animals can’t consent to what’s happening thus it’s unethical. He’s saying dairy from a person is consensual and therefore vegan. But it WASNT CONSENSUAL lmao she didn’t want him drinking it thus it wasn’t NOT vegan cuz of the dairy part, but because he violated her boundaries
Those people are idiots. The term vegan refers to being Non Animal. What counts is what is actually means, not what some weirdos Interpret it as meaning.
I had a very hard time producing milk for my son. I'm diabetic and constantly dehydrated, and even with all of the medications on the planet I still had to supplement with formula because I couldn't even produce a full bottle for him. I dried up around 4 months and just quit producing all together. Add that on top of my husband and my family telling me I'm not a good mom for not trying harder to breastfeed. It just made me feel like a failure. That being said I obviously would be livid if someone was stealing milk from my child for their own sick perversions!
Story 2: I've heard a few stories like this, op is either gonna need cameras, recording software whenever he talks to his ex-wife, and never be alone with her
Story 1-Its not stated in the main story, but in the update its revealed MIL KNEW this man was a pervert. She knew what her husband was, since she would lock him out of the room when she breastfed. But apparently its fine for him to enjoy his fetish with their Daughter in law and take food from the grandbaby's mouth.
I remember that first story all too well. The OP updated later on and it got way worse. MIL spilled the beans to OP that the creepy FIL has had a breast milk fetish for their entire relationship and did the exact same thing to her when she was raising her son, OPs husband. So yeah, it's worse than anyone could've guessed lol
Story 1: What in the hell? FiL is both disgusting and pathetic. He's literally taking away the baby's food! Story 2: If I were OP, I'd bail out of the marriage right away. File for divorce and make her pay back everything she stole. Story 3: Go straight into NC with the sister. Story 4: The mother should mind her own business. Final Story: BiL risked his own kid's life for stupidity.
Story 2: It's disgusting that OP will have to watch his every step, word or interaction now because his wife said she would lie about something so serious just to destroy him. Absolutely disgusting woman, nothing but the worst wishes
In story 2, what would the wife even do with the ginseng? It's literally a root, used sparingly for tea and cooking. I think she heard how expensive it was, nabbed it, and was going to sell it somehow, or give it to her mother so she could sell it or do with it as she pleased. In either case, OP is right to divorce his wife; who knows how much financial damage she could've done.
3rd story:Nta the only reason why your sister didn't want your daughter cause, ella would've ruined her perfect wedding for getting one of her arm amputated. All because, she look different from her cousin.
Story 3: now you know the reason your daughter was excluded, because your sister is and inconsiderate ass, and she knows it. She know if she told you the real reason you wouldn't have shown up and the family would have called her out for being so heartless, now she has to make you look bad to make herself look better. This is why you go no contact.
I feel like while the kink/fetish of breast milk is tame as any kinks can go (despite myself not knowing much about this territory). . .there are boundaries being crossed
Mark Narrations covered The breast milk and after op told MIL her side, MIL told her that FIL had a breast milk fetish. MIL couldn’t feed her son without locking the door. He was even fired from his job because a coworker (who was allowed pump during her breaks) reported him staring at when she pumps and he even stole her breast milk.
1st story: Just FYI, since rSlash implies otherwise: boob size does not correlate to milk quantity. My son's mom has DD's, and we had to use formula. One of her friends is super petite even after 2 kids and she can't stop producing milk. It's not about the size of the jugs.
13:48 rslash English is definitely their first language. As an Englishman from the UK calling someone a scrounger or claiming they're "on benefits" are definitely UK slang. So no Rslash English isn't her second language 😅
MLMs are stupid. Either way, it’s rude to point that out to a person you just met. It’s nobody’s business but theirs-until they come for you and start pestering you to buy their shit!😂
Alr on the breast milk story cause I've seen it before, there was an update. Husband didn't know the full story, when op showed him things FIL had said in group chat, along with telling him she told FIL it was breast milk, husband got beyond weirded out. He told his father that he wasn't allowed in their house until FIL respected op. MIL flew off the handle. Remember when OP said she thought MIL didn't know the full story? Turns out she did, and blamed op. According to MIL, she had to lock the door while she was breastfeeding ops now husband because FIL would creep on her and try to steal milk from infant husband. MIL sees this as normal behaviour for a man, and told OP that she should just lock the bathroom while breastfeeding baby to stop FIL, and that she should've expected the muffin theft if she's leaving them in the open. Husband flew off the handle again and iirc MIL and FIL are not allowed near them anymore Edit: yeah I completely forgot but as other commenters said, FIL also got fired for harassing pregnant and breastfeeding women the same way as he did OP, iirc he stole breast milk from a workplace fridge too
There was more to the breast milk story. I heard this in a different yt video. When the mother in law had hubby she had to lock herself away to breast feed him because father in law was a serious creeper, he's got a fetish.
@rSlash - For you wondering about "Scrounger" as an insult. The reason why it is used as an insult is that it is often referring to someone who scrounges around in bins, scrapyards, etc for scraps.
The story about Ella is one of those that I absolutely belief are true, by the way it is told. There are no overdramatic reactions on either side, and he does mention "aestetics over people" but forgets to actually say that Ella is physically disabled. Which is an indicator of a narrator that is emotional. Up until that comes out, it would be a question: Why exclude Ella and only Ella? It could have meant she's an entitled, or aggressive child. Who knows? There seems to be nothing of note about her. So why exclude her in this way? If the missing arm is all there is to it and she is a normal child whatsoever, then the missing arm is the only thing that binds. And that is pretty disgusting, not gonna lie.
Just to let you know scrounger is something used in the uk for someone who claims benefits but doesn't need them they stay on them because they can't be bothered to get a job hope this helps 😊
Well people say thats who it's for but really it's mostly used to imply people who are genuinely too sick or disabled to work are lying to chat the system, since benefits fraud is vanishingly low and most is actually people not updating the DWP about a death
1st story: It would seem that the FIL was never weaned. 3rd story: Unfortunately for OP to go "No Contact" would not impact sister very much (if at all) since it's obvious she doesn't like the niece. Wonder how the rest of the family would feel if / when this became known.
I bet the "scrounger" lady has a crush on OP's husband, who normally comes to pick up the kid from daycare, & her comments were just "jealousy". Disgusting woman anyway to think that being on benefits is a bad thing/insult.
It is. Another TH-camr covered the story with updates. New mom kept ignoring OP, flirting outrageously with hubby, and not taking the hint when both of them told her to stop and also ignored her in turn. Other parents got involved as well.
Just because the "kids breaking stuff" comes up so often in these posts: in Germany we are really big on insurance, and everyone has liability insurance that covers your children if you have them. it costs me personally less than 20€ a year. When I was a kid, I broke things a lot, and one time broke the really expensive new speakers of a friend of the family. It was no big deal, insurance covered it, and it had no impact on my parents rate. It's a really useful thing to have, especially if you have children. However, I guess it is only this cheap because everybody in Germany has it, so I imagine it would probably be much more expensive in the weird insurance market in the US.
Second story is terrifying for OP. It's so easy for a woman to ruin a man's life with lies. You have to be so careful with who you even go on a date with.
At my sister's wedding when we were taking photographs my sister said she didn't want me in her photos because one of my arms isn't normal. She had the photographer crop me out of the photos. My parents didn't say a word to her about it. So all the wedding photographs that were of the family have all the family except me. Didany of that surprise me? No. My family has marginalized me my whole life, though they deny it. They can't see it.
With the first story I was thinking the same thing "what cookbooks are you reading?" Then i thought it's probably a cookbook specific to babies in the weaning stage. Hence the need for breastmilk.
In the last story, the Seadoo in question is a 2-person personal water craft. It uses a water jet propulsion style, meaning the rotating piece is inside the hull behind a metal grate. He couldn't have been injured by a prop, but there was serious risk of being knocked unconscious and drowning as these are designed to turn when the driver is knocked off. When I was young, my Uncle was similar to the OP. He lived by "He who dies with the most toys wins." and I rode many of these style water crafts. I was also probably similar to the nephew's age. There was a progressive process our family used to teach everyone on how to operate them. While no one wrecked any, that I know of, I do know that the entire family would expect the person who did the damage to pay for the repair. If it was a minor, then the parents would be responsible. You break it, you buy it. How this was even in question is beyond me. The law sees it that way, and morally that's the right way.
I think the wife in the second story needs a higher score for threatening to say she was a victim of abuse incorrectly to the police. People who do that make the genuine cases harder to prove and lives could be ruined with that allegation.
I had heard the 3rd story before over on Mark Narrations and when Rslash reached the end, I was waiting for him to find the extra info to see his reaction. “Wait for it…wait for it…there it is!!” 😂
Second story: dude really need to think about getting his wife checked at the hospital. If there’s nothing mentally wrong there then you need to reconsider staying with her, that’s some fucked up shit there
A seadoo uses impeller driver waterjets, so it definitely would rip his face off but if he was wearing the wrong type of life jacket or no life jacket at all it could have easily knocked him out and drowned him
That breast milk story gets worse ya know? The mom said she had to lock her self in a room when she breast fed cuz the dad has a fetish and he bother a co worker who was pump breast milk so bad he had to get a new job
Story 2: Women who make false accusations or threaten to make false accusations to get their way/control people/get attention are absolutely vile. What’s worse, if she’s found out the woman barely gets a slap on the wrist as punishment and the man’s life and reputation is still ruined because some people will still ALWAYS believe the woman over the man despite there being blaring evidence the woman was at fault!
This is why I say, as a women, that I’d want to believe all women, but there’s been an increase in women like this. It’s very sad. I personally knew two that pulled this and am no longer friends with them
Fun fact: breastmilk is actually really vegan because it is consensual and providing its purpose which is to feed a person’s offspring however in this case since it was not consensual it’s just wrong
Vegan literally just means does not come from breathing, living, conscious being. Anything past that is someone's own opinions, like if you are allergic to cows milk you very likely won't be able to have breastmilk, does that not say anything? Also i wanna point out not everyone in fact probably not even most people are vegan because of virtue
It’s definitely not a situation for all vegans but the reason women produce breast milk is to feed their offspring and provide immunities to diseases from the mother. There are exceptions as you said allergies exist but due to this purpose it is greatly considered vegan.
that just opens up other loopholes. like. It is vegan, by that logic, to harvest an animal that died of natural cause. It just died through no fault of anyone, so there is no violation of consent, and the meat now serves a purpose.
This is mostly unrelated but breast milk isn't vegetarian or plant-based, but it does actually have the capacity to be vegan, because consent can be exchanged (which is what veganism is about). It just so happens that it isn't in this specific situation though. 4:31
00:02 Is this father-in-law secretly an Activision Blizzard employee or something? Because I've really never heard of someone stealing breast milk other than Activision Blizzard employees.
Story 3 I was so sure it would’ve been racism but I feel singling out Ella because of her missing arm is just as bad! A POC doesn’t have a choice in their skin color and Ella didn’t have a choice to be in an accident that’s left her disfigured and without a mom! That sister is shit human being!
Story 2; all his wife had to do was be honest and apologise, but instead she blew up her marriage by constantly taking advantage and making a horrible threat, who TF threatens to make a false DV report like that?! Story 3: there’s a difference between making a child free lie, and blatant ableism. NTA OP, I’d go no contact, her behaviour isn’t going to change.
Story 3: Sis didn't want Ella because she's only got one arm. She's DEFINITELY an asshole, her wedding or not. That's absolutely discriminating against a kid just because of ~aesthetics~ (five seconds later) LMAO NEVERMIND YOU FOUND IT
Story 1 has an update we’re is confirmed fil has a kink for breast milk actually it’s so bad that mil revealed she had to lock herself while breastfeeding to avoid his harassment. He actually harassed a coworker at his previous work by trying to constantly barge into the breastfeeding room to the point he got fired for it. Sadly mil is an enabler who blames op for not locking up the milk when he is around and thinks op is overreacting
All milk is breast milk; only the species differs. Thought about that way, human breast milk can be used anywhere breast milk from a cow, or a goat, or whatever can be used. The only reason we don’t use it more is we don’t have a way of mass producing it that wouldn’t be horribly exploitative-which says something about dairy production.
Just so you know RSLASH, a Seadoo isn't propelled by a propeller. It works like a jet engine, it has an air intake in the front that forces water out the back which propels it forwards.
Scrounger is a very commonly used derogatory term for disabled and unemployed people in the UK who get a small amount of money from the government so they don't, you know, die. Very common term implying you get benefits while not needing them
1st story: The problem vegans have with drinking milk is the taking of the cow's milk without consent. Seeing as humans are capable of consenting, you could argue that breastmilk is vegan. But that requires the consent of the person producing the milk, which the FIL didn't have. Meaning that, no, in this case it wasn't vegan.
I feel so bad for the husband in the first story.
Imagine having to come to terms with the fact your dad has a breastfeeding fetish and he keeps trying to source breastmilk from your wife...
Truly scarring
I feel sorry for him and for the guy whose wife is a klepto and liar.
It's even worse when you find out that he's done this not only to his grandchild, but to his son. The update has MiL locking herself in a room to breastfeed OP's husband when he was born. I'm surprised MiL didn't say anything beforehand, but if OP's husband is an only child, she had no way of knowing about how much of a fetish this was for FiL
I'm not sure if I do. His first reaction was to act like this dad doing that wasn't a big deal at all. How on EARTH are you not instantly revolted by the mear IDEA that you father wants your wifes breast milk!? Dude seems like an idiot to me...
Boy, knowing that Ella was missing an arm, OP’s comment about “caring about aesthetics over people” makes *so* much more sense and makes the sister *so* much more horrible.
Right? I thought it was racism or something at first.
@@frosted_glaceon5513I thought it was adoption issues
I thought it was racism too
And it's much more horrible than I thought
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I thought it may have been a slightly mental problem where she had bursts of energy or yelled out, or something like that but no. She’s just a young girl who went through something she shouldn’t have.
I was so ready, going off of Dabney’s reaction, that OP was gonna drop he has a black wife so Ella is mixed race. Or she’s ginger or something, but THAT? I think that was worse
My son has an artificial leg. If someone excluded him due to that I would NEVER speak to them again. He’s an adult now with a wonderful partner. He went to weddings, funerals, and anywhere else any of us went.
U are nicer than me If I had children that was pyciscly disabled and someone else in my family excluded then I would break one of their limbs then go no contact to show them how it feels
He is a pervert. There’s a lot more to the story. From the extra info it sounds like he has a breastmilk/ breastfeeding kink. And before anyone starts screaming about “kink shaming”, going against someone’s consent is disgusting. And you should be shamed for that.
That I agree with. I won't speak what kink I have due to YT's rules, BUT if you're going to do that, at least get that person's consent first. Her FIL definitely knows nothing about consent.
Yeah, there's a difference between "kink shaming" and "shaming predatory behavior" 👍
If you want to drink breast milk get your partner pregnant or find some hormones that will make them act like they're pregnant so that they can produce breast milk for you You don't come after somebody else especially when they're not into that kind of thing.
i hold that what you do in the privacy of your home is your business and isn't shameful or gross so long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.
Kink shaming is my kink
The first story had an update:
FIL has a fetish for this and apparently, the FIL had some complaints at his old job due to interuppting a female coworker pumping at a designated place. He is also banned from OP's house.
Wow, the FIL is something else.
He needs help like BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD..
😬 Just YIKES
I think the MIL even said she had to breastfeed in a locked room so FIL wouldn't interrupt
omfg that man 😭
I don't blame the Dad of the amputee daughter for being angry. She has been through enough losing her mum, her arm, suffering from phantom pain that never goes away, and body shaming from someone who should be a caring person in her life. I would be proud of her if she were my daughter, and though she isn't. I'm still proud of her!!!👏💐🎉
Scrounger Is an insult term used in the UK, Typically used against people who are on benefits.
Thanks for the context. I didn't really get it. I was just about to Google it and then I saw your comment
I've occasionally hear it in Aus too
@@eingill7614 I'm Canadian and I just spent a month in your summer in Australia. What a beautiful country. We also went to New Zealand. I found even though we're both x British colonies that you guys seem to be a bit more British than us Canadians. Even your accents a little British. Especially more than my accent because I'm from Nova Scotia and we have a pretty thick accent. In fact, I was told on many occasions when I was in Australia that I needed to slow down. I was talking to fast and my accent was pretty thick.
Came here to say this, as a Brit I can confirm.
should be used for shareholders instead 😎
"I knowingly stole a $300 gift for someone else that we were all explicitly told not to even touch because I didn't think anyone would notice"
Ummmm... WHAT? That's simply not even an excuse even if it WAS somewhere inconspicuous and hard to notice. What a moronic woman.
I wonder if she is a kleptomaniac - in the actual, psychological sense. (Though it's possible she is just an extremely selfish narcissist.
I think she has a drug problem. Op mentioned things that go missing which can be sold for a moderate amount, such as tools, $300 dollar gifts, etc. Drug addicts do things like that, and it explains the erratic behavior that no sober person would understand.
@@kaseyk3282
Maybe
Story 3: Imagine caring more about aesthetics over a kid who LOST HER ARM. This AH singled OP's daughter out because she couldn't stand an amputee being at her wedding. Like what?! She isn't too young, disruptive or loud, she is DISABLED! rSlash is right, absolutely disgusting behavior. Go NC with her immediately and don't look back. NTA.
Truth. My dad, may he RIP, was an amputee. He was in a wheelchair my entire life, I never knew him with 2 legs. We still had a father-daughter dance at my wedding.
how are you in every video i see? do you live in the comment section?? you are everywhere, are you a god?
Sorry but Tracy gets 5/5 butthole score.
@@j-zk6tf Doesn't excuse her for being a dickhead .
>> She isn't too ... disruptive or loud
Technically you don't know that. It is all based on OP assumptions.
Story 3: Now, I'm shy and introverted irl, but if I was OP, I _absolutely_ would've made a speech at the reception calling out the sister for being an ableist POS, do a mic drop, and take back my gift. Ableists don't deserve gifts.
Story 4: Scrounger is an insult in the UK, akin to welfare queen, so yes, it's a *huge* insult.
It's always hard to tell with insults from other countries. Like, is it actually a big deal or not in terms of how badly insulted you would feel? Compare something (well, realistically) common like "bitch" to "whore" or "cunt" (also on the way to becoming very common and I guess there's a lot harsher stuff, but for the sake of the argument). So, good to know it's actually very insulting, to understand why OP reacted the way she did.
@@TikkyNoSurname I'm from California, but I've been on the internet long enough, and watched enough very British entertainment, to recognize the term and know how it's taken.
Best bet, if you want to playfully tease someone, because banter, is to find out where they're from first, because a silly joke where you are may be a huge insult in other places culturally. Like, you might jokingly call someone a donkey a la Donkey from Shrek 💚, but in some places calling someone a donkey is a truly grievous insult, so how dare you say something like that, them's fighting words, dishonor on your whole house, family, and cow. 😳
@@NotAFanOfHandles
XD
"I understood that reference."
But yeah, that's the point. Different countries, differing cultures.
Story 1: Ew. EW.
Story 2: Not to be a Redditor, but divorce is definitely the right answer. She sounds like a klepto on top of an abuser.
I was thinking klepto on story 2 as well... but considering that absurd threat.. AND HER MOTHER SUPPORTING HER!!! makes it feel more like learned entitlement.
@@supervegito2277Probably a little of both!
Yeah the lying about domestic violence 100% constitutes some form of abuse
He did divorce her.
everyone who thinks story 1 is ew is a milkophobe and just as bad toxic and intolerant as hitler
If you guys read the comments of story 1, the baking with breastmilk is actually a common thing in the uk to help with weaning. Its kinda like baked baby porridge so that the kiddo gets something to chew on! Kinda neat, but also bland and tasteless for adults who arent creepy. The OPs MIL also admitted that when OPs husband was born, she only breastfed him for 4 months and always behind a locked door because FIL has a obsession with lactation.
Story 3: I don't think it was about "not wanting to be in the daughter's presence." My guess is that she didn't want the daughter's appearance to take attention away from "the bride on her special day." Either way, she's a disgusting human being
I was thinking the same, I had also come to the conclusion that the bride belived OP's daughter would take the attention away from her and thus that's why she singled out Ella.
Utterly disgusting bridezilla.
Story 4: Geez, the classism. All OP did was talk about having a small business, and Karen called her a lying scrounger. Why, because OP didn't look upper class to Karen?
Maybe Karen is the alpha hen (or whatever the term would be) and just felt the need to peck OP into her place.
Story 4: I would have given a higher score on that one. Yes, all she did was call her a name, but the context is what matters. She called her a "scrounger." For those who don't know, that's a freeloader, beggar, or a "welfare queen." This being in an upper class area means she was definitely trying to demean OP and make her feel unwanted. It was a "we don't want your kind around here" type moment. 1/5 is definitely too low for that kind of behaviour.
The Karen should only get if 1 only if she showed remorse and admits fault. However I feel that the next time OP encounters her, the Karen with either give her the side eye or double down.
Yes she litwrally told op that she was on bemefits. I wouldnt care tho, happy to .ake a living selling hand-made jewery and making more than a wage job. I think the qoman is jealous of that and bitter.
@@lorilancaster5917 I feel like if she changes her tune once she realizes OP is not some sort of "scrounger" that would actually be worse. The woman is highly judgmental and has some sort of hatred for people she sees as "beneath her." Under no situation is that level of hoity-toity, holier-than-thou attitude just a 1 because that is a prejudice she carries throughout her daily life and in every interaction she has with others.
@@Queen_Nyxie Exactly! Even if the OP was receiving a benefit what's it to her. There are many reasons people may need financial assistance. The Karen sounds like a dreadful person.
@@It-is-me...Melsieand I’m willing to bet she’ll approach OP for pointers thinking she forgot their previous conversation. I don’t know what Karen does for a living but after she heard how well OP is doing, she may think she could do the same or better
dude the story about the amputee girl riled me up and made me mad from across the internet and a screen, how disgusting do you have to be to not want her there because of her disability
In the UK a "scrounger" is someone that takes advantage of people for money.
Yeah, I was wondering is there ever a 'nice' way of calling someone a scrounger... :S
Yeah sounds like rslash didn’t consider different cultures when reading that story and just viewed it from american perspective only.
@@gconnor18 there is another thought. My Grandma would call people who abused government aid "scroungers". Scrounger was a more common word for "the Greatest Generation" and the "Silent Generation" (which my Grandma was part of, born 1929). The Silent Generation is from 1928-1945. The lady insulting OP could just be old.
@@gconnor18
I don't think we use that word, period, but how did rslash read the definition and not feel that being called a scrounger is an insult?
Yep she basically was called a LEECH
story 2: The wife's defense after getting caught was basically that she thought that she would not get caught. She has to be a whole different level of entitled to think that getting away with theft is good enough justification for committing the crime itself.
And I'm just wondering 'WTF is ginseng?'
@@PokéNerd.18medicinal Korean root.
A "SCROUNGER" here in the UK is used when people claim benefits... the woman was referring to the fact that OP worked from home must mean she's claiming benefits and worked cash-in-hand on the side. In effect saying she should stop taking benefits if she's earning. ... Even tho OP isn't on benefits. The woman is the asshole in that scenario.
that would probably be equivalent to a dole bludger here in Australia. Someone who is capable of getting a job but chooses not to and either lives off unemployment or fakes a disability to get disability payments. also there women who have another kid as soon as their youngest gets to the age where the parent has to start looking for a job. my MIL is one of those women. both my BIL and youngest SIL exist because of that vary reason. the only reason they don't have another sibling by now is that my MIL had to have a hysterectomy.
Ah, I thought she was accusing OP for being a part of a jewelry MLM like “Paparazzi” or something while leeching off others to support said “business” … Except OP actually owns a legit & successful business. Either way that lady was rude AF to out right falsely accuse people like that.
Thanks for clearing that up!
I think it's hilarious that media and ignorance have convinced us about the greed of the poor, but somehow not the greed of the rich. That tax breaks are nothing but tax spending for the rich. That the minuscule amount that we spend to keep people from starving to death and a roof over their head. You know basic human rights are nothing compared to the giant tax cuts for billion dollar corporations. Or the fact that they don't pay their employees a livable wage and we have to subsidize it with things like food stamps. It's just such a disgusting mindset. Just proves that some people allow themselves to be manipulated by the wealthy into thinking it's poor people that are the problem in society, not the rich.
@@myopinion69420from Scotland and can absolutely confirm the “having children as soon as one is of age to no longer receive benefits.” I sorta knew this woman, she was a friend of a friend of a friend, so like in passing knew her. She went to bars at weekend and had unprotected sex with any guy who’d sleep with her just so she could get pregnant… y’know, not because she desperately wanted children, but because she wanted child benefits to buy smokes and booze. As you can guess, none of her kids were ever happy.
And having several kids when unemployed and perpetually on benefits? Well that gets you social housing too, where the rent is much lower than regular rent, where housing benefits cover about 70% of the rent costs.
@@ZombieSazza yep. my MIL has been in the same 'social housing' house for 30 years (she moved in when my SO was a month old and now she is 30)
Story 2: I'll never understand the whole "It's not such a big deal" response that some people throw around when it really is a big deal. Add the update revealing how the wife is an abusive kleptomaniac, enabled by the MIL. Glad to see that OP is out of there
Yes to the perp it's not a big deal but they 're not the right person to act, it's their victim. If it's a big deal to the victim, then it's a big deal, period.
S1 - There were several updates to this. Turns out that FIL was also watching OP while she pumped/directly fed the baby. He has a “thing” for breast milk & everything involved. Worse still, the MIL knew about her husband’s ‘interests’. MIL actually said it was OP’s fault for not properly locking doors, & that she was asking for it. MIL had dealt w/ it that way when the husband was a baby. Once OP told husband everything he was just as mad. FIL was banned from the house, & both FIL & MIL were furious. MIL still blames OP.
S2 - OP does get divorced. Wife is a thief & MIL condones it.
S3 - Sister straight up lied to OP about the situation, & intentionally hurt her niece w/ no remorse. That’s w/o the “reason” behind it. The sister is embarrassed by her niece at best & disgusted at worse. Her niece who lost her mother & her arm in a horrible accident is being singled out by her for no reason. Absolutely revolting!
S4 - OP don’t feel bad. That woman is a b*tch.
S5 - You break it? You buy it. (At best here.) At worse, that kid could’ve gotten hurt or killed.
MIL blames OP when she to was being bugged by her own husband WTF?!
Story 1, THE UPDATES: replies from the comments section
"I wouldn't say MIL is on my side, she told me this information in a way that sounded like it was totally normal for a man to need to be locked away from women when they're feeding babies and I kind of brought this on myself for not locking him out.I am actually really creeped that he's possibly been able to perv on me feeding at their house. I go to another room but I've never felt comfortable, guess they'll need to wait until the baby is fully weaned until we visit there again (if we ever do)."
To clarify- did MIL feed FIL for months behind a locked door???
"No, she fed my infant husband. My FIL creeped her out so much she got a lock for the door."
Her update:
I asked my husband what he thought I was mad about (he was in the room but on the other side and occupied with the baby) and he said he didn't realise that his dad actually ate the muffin, he thought I was pissed because he was messing with them. He also didn't remember the group chat incident but agreed that both incidents together is creepy.
I called MIL to "clear the air" and she revealed that FIL has always been "very interested" in lactation and she actually only fed husband for 4 months and always behind a locked door! Apparently he moved jobs after a woman complained that he kept intruding on her pumping in a designated space in the office
I've told them FIL is not welcome around me and have asked for the key to our house back.
I shared the concerns about him tampering with my milk (and contaminating it) and also that if his own wife wanted him locked out then I'm entitled to that too.
The comment that hit my husband was the one about FIL getting off for years on the memory of eating the gross AF baby muffin. Husband said he won't be able to look FIL in the eye again.
S3 sister is a heartless human being! Can I also say she's ableist? Because I don't even need to read the story and I already know where it was going because I have read a similar story where OP was NTA but his brother and SIL were ableist against his wife's disability.
Yeah I'm freaking out over that arm story too, that's disgusting. The bride is the kind of person that would exclude people using a wheelchair. I'm zero tolerance bullying kids with disabilities because of how I was treated growing up.
Breast milk is actually supposed to be both healthy and really sweet, so if people are willing to sell it, they can make a good deal of money, that being said... WHY WOULD YOU STEAL YOUR DAUGHTER IN LAWS?
I found out from other comments is because he has a fetish
@@annabethrose2318 yes, it's surprisingly common
Lactaid is sweeter, cheaper, and healthier.
wait, you can sell it? i know that if you stimulate the breast it keeps producing milk, but i didn't know there is business out of it
@@dinlupus3196 yeah some people are unable to produce enough, or there's the bodybuilding market, that and there's a whole kink thing for both sides on top
Story 3: He should throw together a nice vacation, not invite her saying, "Sorry, single people only" and invite everyone else regardless.
While its not 'vegan', I will say the FIL's thought process might have been because you can ask a woman for consent for her milk, its vegan via loophole ... granted that STILL doesn't work since he did not ask permission to take OP's breast milk.
Also, this story has gotten a major update, apparently FIL literally has a breast milk fetish, and his wife, the MIL, admits to OP when she was breastfeeding her son (OP's husband) she would have to lock the door cause FIL used to want to come in and watch, and FIL has gotten in trouble with his job multiple times are making unwelcome comments towards pregnant and breastfeeding mothers at work. OP has banned FIL from the house and husband is sticking by his wife.
Christ on a Bike, really?! That’s nasty (the IL’s behaviour) 🤢🤢🤢
But it IS vegan.
@@JoshuaGJustice FIL isn't even vegan, but I am just guessing that it follows the spirit of veganism because even if it a byproduct from an animal (that animal being a human), they can theoretically consent to giving it (not to sound gross, but its also the same loophole that semen can be consider vegan if given willingly). However by that logic this is not vegan, as it was not given willingly.
Lol. There is obviously a pervert on the lose in that story, that don't care for boundary's, but the interesting and more discuss worthy topic is, if breast milk is vegan or not. People and priorities.
yeah I have a bit of lactation fetish as well, but geez FIL was being creepy
Story 3: when he mentioned caring more about aesthetics in the main post I assumed that the kid was biracial and it was just good ol fashioned racism. But not, it’s because the child suffered a major accident and this woman doesn’t like the way the trauma looks. So bizarre
Story 3: That . . . Was not what I thought it was. I thought it was going to be a racism story or something if the daughter was biracial. This . . . This is something else. If my brother or sister did that, I'd go no contact for sure.
I thought it was because OP's daughter was overweight
I didn't know the actual age so until rslash mentioned younger kids came too I legit thought this was a repeat of a story from a year ago and was about to call OP the asshole.... but God damn the kid is 12 and younger kids were invited and it turned out it was all cause her arm is amputated and "aesthetics"!? WTF This STORY is NOT what any of us could have been expecting at all
Same I was totally saying to myself the whole time this is about to be a racist thing but no. Turns out it's just another kind of prejudice.
In story 4, OP is British. The phrases ‘on benefits’ and ‘scrounger’ are common phrases here. It was so funny to hear you say OP was potentially Spanish or speaks English as a second language when her first language is English.
Slashy seems to have a blind spot about slang or insults; this isn’t the first time he’s guessed an insult was from another language when it simply wasn’t American English-and I say this as an American!
He seems to assume anything not American-English is foreign and strange. Idk why he doesn't just do a quick Google to check what it means before jumping to that conclusion?
There actually is an update to the first story. OP was talking to her MIL about what happened, and MIL confessed that FIL had a fetish about lactating, so she supplemented by letting him breastfeed off her. Also, the FIL was fired from a job because he was stealing a coworker’s milk if I remember correctly. So OP obviously said FIL still can’t go over
I would ask if FIL worked at Blizzard, but since he was fired, I’m guessing bot
Its actually so much worse
MIL used to have to breastfeed her son as a baby (who is OP's Husband now that he's a grown man) behind a locked door. Because he made her feel so unsafe or weird or something by his horny gaze.
Then he either got reprimanded or indeed fired for Peeping on a Coworker who was pumping breastmilk in a designated area for it at work.
At that point it stops being a fetish and becomes a full blown obsession. MIL had to breast feed her husband to keep him calm? Sexually harassing his son's wife? Stealing breast milk from a coworker?! He needs serious SERIOUS therapy.
@@JustAGirlOnlinethe firing goes part is what I was remembering! Thank you!
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Update to story 1:I asked my husband what he thought I was mad about (he was in the room but on the other side and occupied with the baby) and he said he didn't realise that his dad actually ate the muffin, he thought I was pissed because he was messing with them. He also didn't remember the group chat incident but agreed that both incidents together is creepy.
I called MIL to "clear the air" and she revealed that FIL has always been "very interested" in lactation and she actually only fed husband for 4 months and always behind a locked door! Apparently he moved jobs after a woman complained that he kept intruding on her pumping in a designated space in the office.
I've told them FIL is not welcome around me and have asked for the key to our house back.
I shared the concerns about him tampering with my milk (and contaminating it) and also that if his own wife wanted him locked out then I'm entitled to that too.
The comment that hit my husband was the one about FIL getting off for years on the memory of eating the gross AF baby muffin. Husband said he won't be able to look FIL in the eye again.
"In English scrounger as an insult sounds bizarre." I think what you mean is that in American English it sounds bizarre. It's a commonly used insult in Britain.
Same here in Australia. Americans need to realise that there is a whole world outside of the borders of the USA.
Some of us do. Slashy seems to have a blind spot about it, though. I didn’t know about “scrounger” myself, though: I guessed it was an Aussie insult!
@@Varro88I've heard UK, Australian, etc slang before. We're all equally butchering it. American slang just doesn't sound as... weak.
Last story: You break something, you pay for it. Period. And in this case he stole the thing and risked a child's life.
And it's not the parts that broke that are expensive... It's the labor to install them and repair any damaged gel coat on the hull. Over 20 years ago I glanced off a friend's key ski... Very superficial damage if you looked at it. But his was less than 6 months old and it was over $3k in damages! I agreed to pay for it. Life went on we were friends for a long time after until I left for another job.
The breast milk story is actually super wild. Like seriously wild af. Also I`ve ever heard of making muffins and etc from breast milk, so weird lol
It's a normal thing. Mums will use breastmilk in Baby food making, even in Popsicles! It's just another way for baby who still feeds off Mum to get those nutrients in different foods.
Sometimes it's done to wean baby off of the breast or bottle feedings too!
It’s incredibly common lol what’s weird about using our own milk vs another animal’s?
As a mom who baby led Wean we used many recipes such as butter muffins eggs ect
The wildest thing is that you've never heard of using breast milk in making baby food items which leads me to believe that you don't have kids and have never been closely around new families
I've seen stories like that in memes 😂 didn't think this was an actual thing
At first I was suspicious about the excluded daughter. There was obviously something about Ella that singled her out, and the fact OP didn't bring up any reason is entitled parent behavior.
But when you consider the bride got nervous when confronted, and OP said "aesthetics over people," it really makes the explanation sound valid, even if it's from another party.
Bride is a demon, send her back to Hell.
For the vegan comment in the first story, it’s even more wild. Some people are vegan because it’s non-consensual; animals can’t consent to what’s happening thus it’s unethical. He’s saying dairy from a person is consensual and therefore vegan. But it WASNT CONSENSUAL lmao she didn’t want him drinking it thus it wasn’t NOT vegan cuz of the dairy part, but because he violated her boundaries
Those people are idiots. The term vegan refers to being Non Animal.
What counts is what is actually means, not what some weirdos Interpret it as meaning.
Yup, if you understand the vegan mindset human breast milk might be vegan, but in this case it wouldn’t.
I came here to say this.. good on ya😊
oh man i was gonna comment that it is technically vegan but since she didn’t consent you are so right
This
I had a very hard time producing milk for my son. I'm diabetic and constantly dehydrated, and even with all of the medications on the planet I still had to supplement with formula because I couldn't even produce a full bottle for him. I dried up around 4 months and just quit producing all together. Add that on top of my husband and my family telling me I'm not a good mom for not trying harder to breastfeed. It just made me feel like a failure. That being said I obviously would be livid if someone was stealing milk from my child for their own sick perversions!
I really hope you mean ex husband. What a terrible thing to say to the woman who had just given birth to your child.
Story 2: I've heard a few stories like this, op is either gonna need cameras, recording software whenever he talks to his ex-wife, and never be alone with her
Unfortunately he will have to be walking on eggshells for as long as he lives with her. Even without a shred of evidence, she can ruin OP on here say.
Story 1-Its not stated in the main story, but in the update its revealed MIL KNEW this man was a pervert. She knew what her husband was, since she would lock him out of the room when she breastfed. But apparently its fine for him to enjoy his fetish with their Daughter in law and take food from the grandbaby's mouth.
Story 2- steal something important from MIL, then give it to your parents. If she complains, throw back the exact same insults she used
Story 2: she threatened to fabricate domestic violence charges, and even said explicitly she’d do it to ruin his life. That gets 5/5 every time.
Hi from the U.K, 'scrounger' isn't an uncommon slur against people on benefits
It really wasn't that other parent business - NTA to the OP
I remember that first story all too well. The OP updated later on and it got way worse. MIL spilled the beans to OP that the creepy FIL has had a breast milk fetish for their entire relationship and did the exact same thing to her when she was raising her son, OPs husband. So yeah, it's worse than anyone could've guessed lol
The “scrounger” comment is British dialect, a very common insult in the UK for those on welfare/benefits or someone who “scrounges” off someone else 😊
Yeah I was gonna say. It's not a weird insult at all. Just pathetic in this scenario.
I think the american version would be moocher
Story 1: What in the hell? FiL is both disgusting and pathetic. He's literally taking away the baby's food!
Story 2: If I were OP, I'd bail out of the marriage right away. File for divorce and make her pay back everything she stole.
Story 3: Go straight into NC with the sister.
Story 4: The mother should mind her own business.
Final Story: BiL risked his own kid's life for stupidity.
@naughtilus5020 that's literally what breast milk is; baby food. But yes, he was violating her privacy as well, hence the "disgusting" part
Scrounger is used in the UK and Ireland as an insult
Story 2: It's disgusting that OP will have to watch his every step, word or interaction now because his wife said she would lie about something so serious just to destroy him. Absolutely disgusting woman, nothing but the worst wishes
Wedding invite story deserves 5 out of 5 in my opinion.
In story 2, what would the wife even do with the ginseng? It's literally a root, used sparingly for tea and cooking. I think she heard how expensive it was, nabbed it, and was going to sell it somehow, or give it to her mother so she could sell it or do with it as she pleased. In either case, OP is right to divorce his wife; who knows how much financial damage she could've done.
3rd story:Nta the only reason why your sister didn't want your daughter cause, ella would've ruined her perfect wedding for getting one of her arm amputated. All because, she look different from her cousin.
In the UK "Scrounger" is an insult to people on benefits. Cause "they are too lazy to work"
Story 3: now you know the reason your daughter was excluded, because your sister is and inconsiderate ass, and she knows it. She know if she told you the real reason you wouldn't have shown up and the family would have called her out for being so heartless, now she has to make you look bad to make herself look better. This is why you go no contact.
I feel like while the kink/fetish of breast milk is tame as any kinks can go (despite myself not knowing much about this territory). . .there are boundaries being crossed
Yup.
It’s ok to have a fetish, but its not ok to act on it on nonconsenting parties
Mark Narrations covered The breast milk and after op told MIL her side, MIL told her that FIL had a breast milk fetish. MIL couldn’t feed her son without locking the door. He was even fired from his job because a coworker (who was allowed pump during her breaks) reported him staring at when she pumps and he even stole her breast milk.
Omalawrd...
@@Veldrusaraapparently MIL thought it was common knowledge
@Angela-vu9tt I think she’s drank the ‘men have uncontrollable urges’ or ‘men will be men’ kool aid.
Maybe she was one of those daughters who were told anything your hubby does is right and believes that it is normal.
@@tsugima6317 maybe 🤔
1st story:
Just FYI, since rSlash implies otherwise: boob size does not correlate to milk quantity.
My son's mom has DD's, and we had to use formula. One of her friends is super petite even after 2 kids and she can't stop producing milk.
It's not about the size of the jugs.
13:48 rslash English is definitely their first language. As an Englishman from the UK calling someone a scrounger or claiming they're "on benefits" are definitely UK slang. So no Rslash English isn't her second language 😅
"I know who a scrounger is, it someone who scrounges"
Me, with english as a second langunage: ah yes, of course, this makes perfect sense.
The Karen who didn’t mind her business probably thought OP was in an MLM.
MLMs are stupid. Either way, it’s rude to point that out to a person you just met. It’s nobody’s business but theirs-until they come for you and start pestering you to buy their shit!😂
@@JosieJOK I was just pointing out the most likely reason since rslash was confused
Alr on the breast milk story cause I've seen it before, there was an update. Husband didn't know the full story, when op showed him things FIL had said in group chat, along with telling him she told FIL it was breast milk, husband got beyond weirded out. He told his father that he wasn't allowed in their house until FIL respected op. MIL flew off the handle. Remember when OP said she thought MIL didn't know the full story? Turns out she did, and blamed op. According to MIL, she had to lock the door while she was breastfeeding ops now husband because FIL would creep on her and try to steal milk from infant husband. MIL sees this as normal behaviour for a man, and told OP that she should just lock the bathroom while breastfeeding baby to stop FIL, and that she should've expected the muffin theft if she's leaving them in the open. Husband flew off the handle again and iirc MIL and FIL are not allowed near them anymore
Edit: yeah I completely forgot but as other commenters said, FIL also got fired for harassing pregnant and breastfeeding women the same way as he did OP, iirc he stole breast milk from a workplace fridge too
There was more to the breast milk story. I heard this in a different yt video. When the mother in law had hubby she had to lock herself away to breast feed him because father in law was a serious creeper, he's got a fetish.
Eugh
Nasty! FIL needs serious help.
@@abi_cat28 worst part is MIL knowing how bad he is & not warning OP!
@@heleninglis9961MIL apparently thinks that's just normal male behavior. She's just as screwy as FIL.
@rSlash - For you wondering about "Scrounger" as an insult. The reason why it is used as an insult is that it is often referring to someone who scrounges around in bins, scrapyards, etc for scraps.
Story 2. He divorced her.
The story about Ella is one of those that I absolutely belief are true, by the way it is told. There are no overdramatic reactions on either side, and he does mention "aestetics over people" but forgets to actually say that Ella is physically disabled. Which is an indicator of a narrator that is emotional. Up until that comes out, it would be a question: Why exclude Ella and only Ella?
It could have meant she's an entitled, or aggressive child. Who knows? There seems to be nothing of note about her. So why exclude her in this way? If the missing arm is all there is to it and she is a normal child whatsoever, then the missing arm is the only thing that binds. And that is pretty disgusting, not gonna lie.
Just to let you know scrounger is something used in the uk for someone who claims benefits but doesn't need them they stay on them because they can't be bothered to get a job hope this helps 😊
that would be a 'dole bludger' here in Australia.
Well people say thats who it's for but really it's mostly used to imply people who are genuinely too sick or disabled to work are lying to chat the system, since benefits fraud is vanishingly low and most is actually people not updating the DWP about a death
So it's a English as a first language expression 😂
British English as a first language to be exact
1st story: It would seem that the FIL was never weaned.
3rd story: Unfortunately for OP to go "No Contact" would not impact sister very much (if at all) since it's obvious she doesn't like the niece. Wonder how the rest of the family would feel if / when this became known.
I bet the "scrounger" lady has a crush on OP's husband, who normally comes to pick up the kid from daycare, & her comments were just "jealousy". Disgusting woman anyway to think that being on benefits is a bad thing/insult.
It is. Another TH-camr covered the story with updates. New mom kept ignoring OP, flirting outrageously with hubby, and not taking the hint when both of them told her to stop and also ignored her in turn. Other parents got involved as well.
Just because the "kids breaking stuff" comes up so often in these posts: in Germany we are really big on insurance, and everyone has liability insurance that covers your children if you have them. it costs me personally less than 20€ a year. When I was a kid, I broke things a lot, and one time broke the really expensive new speakers of a friend of the family. It was no big deal, insurance covered it, and it had no impact on my parents rate. It's a really useful thing to have, especially if you have children. However, I guess it is only this cheap because everybody in Germany has it, so I imagine it would probably be much more expensive in the weird insurance market in the US.
Second story is terrifying for OP. It's so easy for a woman to ruin a man's life with lies. You have to be so careful with who you even go on a date with.
Rslash saying scrounger that many times in that voice tickled the heck out of me. 😂😂😂
At my sister's wedding when we were taking photographs my sister said she didn't want me in her photos because one of my arms isn't normal. She had the photographer crop me out of the photos. My parents didn't say a word to her about it. So all the wedding photographs that were of the family have all the family except me. Didany of that surprise me? No. My family has marginalized me my whole life, though they deny it. They can't see it.
With the first story I was thinking the same thing "what cookbooks are you reading?" Then i thought it's probably a cookbook specific to babies in the weaning stage. Hence the need for breastmilk.
Second story. Makes you think how many guys are in jail from that woman's false allegations when she didn't get her way.
In the last story, the Seadoo in question is a 2-person personal water craft. It uses a water jet propulsion style, meaning the rotating piece is inside the hull behind a metal grate. He couldn't have been injured by a prop, but there was serious risk of being knocked unconscious and drowning as these are designed to turn when the driver is knocked off. When I was young, my Uncle was similar to the OP. He lived by "He who dies with the most toys wins." and I rode many of these style water crafts. I was also probably similar to the nephew's age. There was a progressive process our family used to teach everyone on how to operate them. While no one wrecked any, that I know of, I do know that the entire family would expect the person who did the damage to pay for the repair. If it was a minor, then the parents would be responsible. You break it, you buy it. How this was even in question is beyond me. The law sees it that way, and morally that's the right way.
I think the wife in the second story needs a higher score for threatening to say she was a victim of abuse incorrectly to the police. People who do that make the genuine cases harder to prove and lives could be ruined with that allegation.
I had heard the 3rd story before over on Mark Narrations and when Rslash reached the end, I was waiting for him to find the extra info to see his reaction.
“Wait for it…wait for it…there it is!!” 😂
Second story: dude really need to think about getting his wife checked at the hospital. If there’s nothing mentally wrong there then you need to reconsider staying with her, that’s some fucked up shit there
Scrounger: Seems to me that they are basically calling her a "Goldigger"
So, wait, a klepto gets 3, but the pervy father-in-law taking food away from a baby is only a 2? Wat...?
Because it was shown that the klepto was also an abuser who'd willingly lie and ruin an innocent man's life if he dare turn his back against her
A seadoo uses impeller driver waterjets, so it definitely would rip his face off but if he was wearing the wrong type of life jacket or no life jacket at all it could have easily knocked him out and drowned him
That breast milk story gets worse ya know? The mom said she had to lock her self in a room when she breast fed cuz the dad has a fetish and he bother a co worker who was pump breast milk so bad he had to get a new job
Story 2: Women who make false accusations or threaten to make false accusations to get their way/control people/get attention are absolutely vile.
What’s worse, if she’s found out the woman barely gets a slap on the wrist as punishment and the man’s life and reputation is still ruined because some people will still ALWAYS believe the woman over the man despite there being blaring evidence the woman was at fault!
This is why I say, as a women, that I’d want to believe all women, but there’s been an increase in women like this. It’s very sad. I personally knew two that pulled this and am no longer friends with them
Q23
Fun fact: breastmilk is actually really vegan because it is consensual and providing its purpose which is to feed a person’s offspring however in this case since it was not consensual it’s just wrong
Vegan literally just means does not come from breathing, living, conscious being. Anything past that is someone's own opinions, like if you are allergic to cows milk you very likely won't be able to have breastmilk, does that not say anything? Also i wanna point out not everyone in fact probably not even most people are vegan because of virtue
It’s definitely not a situation for all vegans but the reason women produce breast milk is to feed their offspring and provide immunities to diseases from the mother. There are exceptions as you said allergies exist but due to this purpose it is greatly considered vegan.
that just opens up other loopholes.
like.
It is vegan, by that logic, to harvest an animal that died of natural cause.
It just died through no fault of anyone, so there is no violation of consent, and the meat now serves a purpose.
I don’t say that consent is in regards to flesh, it’s in regards to a by-product. This includes things like honey and eggs.
Not just wrong, it's also just plain creepy.
This is mostly unrelated but breast milk isn't vegetarian or plant-based, but it does actually have the capacity to be vegan, because consent can be exchanged (which is what veganism is about). It just so happens that it isn't in this specific situation though. 4:31
Scrounger is definitely seen as an insult when used in the UK, so I'd imagine that was where that story took place
00:02 Is this father-in-law secretly an Activision Blizzard employee or something? Because I've really never heard of someone stealing breast milk other than Activision Blizzard employees.
Story 3 I was so sure it would’ve been racism but I feel singling out Ella because of her missing arm is just as bad! A POC doesn’t have a choice in their skin color and Ella didn’t have a choice to be in an accident that’s left her disfigured and without a mom! That sister is shit human being!
Story 2; all his wife had to do was be honest and apologise, but instead she blew up her marriage by constantly taking advantage and making a horrible threat, who TF threatens to make a false DV report like that?!
Story 3: there’s a difference between making a child free lie, and blatant ableism. NTA OP, I’d go no contact, her behaviour isn’t going to change.
Story 3: Sis didn't want Ella because she's only got one arm. She's DEFINITELY an asshole, her wedding or not. That's absolutely discriminating against a kid just because of ~aesthetics~
(five seconds later) LMAO NEVERMIND YOU FOUND IT
Rslash doesn’t know how jetskis work, lol. They have internal propellers. You can’t get hit with they. It’s what makes them a jet.
Story 1 has an update we’re is confirmed fil has a kink for breast milk actually it’s so bad that mil revealed she had to lock herself while breastfeeding to avoid his harassment. He actually harassed a coworker at his previous work by trying to constantly barge into the breastfeeding room to the point he got fired for it. Sadly mil is an enabler who blames op for not locking up the milk when he is around and thinks op is overreacting
Jhc, op needs to get a restraining order against that guy, and the mil needs a reality check!
I think if the wife threatens to lie about domestic violence to blackmail OP out of divorce gets her an automatic 5/5 AH for me
Ableist toward a child? 8.3/5
"I know who a scrounger is, its someone who scrounges" stuff like this is why i listen to rslash
I hope that everyone is having a good Sunday!
After that first story, I don't think I can
Same to you
@@rayhayden6220LMAO
I think it's hilarious the way you said that.
"You _scrounger!"_ 🤣
Story 2 nta I heard this one before. Get everything on record sense she threatened to claim domestic abuse.
All milk is breast milk; only the species differs. Thought about that way, human breast milk can be used anywhere breast milk from a cow, or a goat, or whatever can be used. The only reason we don’t use it more is we don’t have a way of mass producing it that wouldn’t be horribly exploitative-which says something about dairy production.
@@JosieJOK Wrong story.
@@PhantomQueenOne right story, wrong comment!😜
OMG WHY DID I READ THE THUMBNAIL AS "BEAST MILK" AND I INSTANTLY THOUGHT "hmm, didn't know mr.beast had milk" OML
the first story... the fil is weird with the breastmilk!!
Just so you know RSLASH, a Seadoo isn't propelled by a propeller. It works like a jet engine, it has an air intake in the front that forces water out the back which propels it forwards.
Scrounger is a very commonly used derogatory term for disabled and unemployed people in the UK who get a small amount of money from the government so they don't, you know, die. Very common term implying you get benefits while not needing them
1st story: The problem vegans have with drinking milk is the taking of the cow's milk without consent. Seeing as humans are capable of consenting, you could argue that breastmilk is vegan. But that requires the consent of the person producing the milk, which the FIL didn't have. Meaning that, no, in this case it wasn't vegan.