3:21 As one of the contributors to Xonotic, it was heartwarming to see this game being used to showcase the motherboard. Which as a fan of open-source I find itself a heartwarming product to know is now in existence.
A fork of nexuiz (which in turns runs on the DarkPlaces engine, which is based on the quake engine. A nice engine to be sure) to be more precise. I actually got it on the rig I'm typing it from. Quite fun.
Huge numbers of network switches from Cisco, HP, Extreme, Avaya, Juniper, etc. have used Power architecture CPUs in the past. Only in recent years has that begun to change.
Raptor sells POWER9 for $375 (quad core) up to $2625 (22-core). They're surprisingly reasonably priced. They're also screaming fast for a lot of workloads. Unfortunately, the platform is still quite expensive, you won't find anything like a cheap X99 board that takes a Xeon chip. Cheapest board is $975 for a really cut down one with two memory and two PCIe slots.
@@johnnyblack4261 there are advantages to having a piece of hardware written specifically for your software, this goes beyond "Is it faster than x86_64"
@@johnnyblack4261 32bit is only Limited to 4GB on Windows... Linux with a PAE kernel allows for 64GB, but 1 process cannot address more than 4GB. Also, none of that applies in this case because these cpu's are not x86_64. These are OpenSource solutions. Traditional x86_64 cpu's have totally different and Proprietary ISA, these use a PowerISA and allow for open source ISA's. In comparison these are 12 core processors with 8 threads per core. so these are 96 thread cpu's. I could go on and on, but you need to do research on what cpu architectures are and how they work.
0:03 "Im walking forward, i wasn't sleep for last two days because i was doing presentations of this smart technology that no one buy anyway, just need to end this coffe and have enough energy to continue my work. Oh, camera... WOAH! A PERSON!"
Wow so thats the reason why ps3 was so ahead of its time. I mean some ps3 games still play as well as ps4. If power pc architecture had remained in consumer market i think we would be better off. I believe the biggest downfall at the time was mac not achieving 3ghz with optinum power cobsumption and intel was
I have been using a downloaded virtual PC for years, it’s virtually the most powerful consumer PC ever produced and for the low cost of an Internet connection.
@@RuiFungYip You can download RAM from Thinigiverse and 3d print them (its about the joke "download more RAM", but you could use these as dummy holders, kind of like real companies were doing with fake RAM sticks because RAM was too expensive, and they wanted to make it look like you had a fully loaded system....). I've printed an Intel CPU before (you can use them for protecting pins), but I joked that's about how useful it would be after I get done with them on extreme overclocking, so being plastic its just as useful!
I'd say too forward thinking, their tech so so far into the future there is not market for it most of the time, like their quantum computer, their oldschool smartphone, etc.
Check out the G5 Macs. They were essentially Power 5 systems from 2003-2005 that could rival PCs that came out around 5 years later. The downside to them was huge amounts of heat and large power consumption, that's why the G5 never made it to a laptop, and the heat, why it never reached 3GHz. It seems they've finally figured all that out though. Massive potential here.
Nice to see there was screen time for both SiFive and IBM/Raptor. As a free software advocate, seeing some competition to the X86/ARM duopoly is refreshing.
Woah! Didn't expect to see a Linus Tech Tips video about this! I have one of these systems myself and I'm quite happy with it. I wouldn't recommend this sort of thing unless you have at least some Linux/FreeBSD experience of course. I bought mine because I like POWER, but you have a much more trustworthy system with a completely open design (even the remote management is open source).
erlendse and water cooling a Red One is a simple task that’ll take one single 10 minute video. I mean, they’re already swinging for some tall fences, might as well take aim at one more...
The PCB is pretty easy to do, and for the CPU he could get it fabbed or just get one from NXP or IBM. Sockets can be 3D printed, and chips can either be bought or, as earlier, fabbed. This could take a long time.
Somehow I've been using computers for 20 years and watching LTT for a hundred episodes or so and I still don't understand half of what Linus is saying in this video. Soo much more to learn...
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I've been thinking that open source hardware is going to be the future, and I've been watching for more manufacturers to start moving this direction. Glad to see that the potential is getting there, still, long way to go, but the future of looking bright!
the unsaid thing is that computer development has gotten too expensive for even the giants to push everywhere all the time so by making everything open they're getting incremental developments for free
1) predict when the next civilization wiping solar flare will happen 2) instead of telling anyone, make a buttload of machines that can resist the solar flare based on OpenPower 3) ???? 4) Profit
you have to know about physics to understand that it's impossible to save electronics device from solar flare pulse without tesla cage and even more to not cut signal whit the cage
Then it's not impossible to save electronics from the solar flare. Of course, you will probably need to do wacky shit like using a laser to feed power to the computer.
How do you make a profit by selling stuff when there are no working Economies after "the next civilization wiping solar flare" fucking yeeted all of humanity back into the dark middle ages? + It would be a modern day version of the middle ages - dark ages with a fuck ton of people + an even bigger fuck ton of pretty scary weapons which still work fine after solar flares. All you accomplish, if you truly have the only working (now extremely valueable) pre-crisis technology on your hands, would be getting People to hunt you down and take everything away from you by force (and maybe even kill you). You only make yourself a target for powerful people, which means the only way for you to pull that off would be for you to actually have the means to really defend yourself in case someone tries anything... but that is probably impossible, because you surely won't have the upper hand if some nato forces decide to show up and "appropriate" literally all of your technology. lmao
There's a plushie of openSUSE's mascot on the PC, so presumably it runs openSUSE, meaning Linus could just run `sudo zypper install xonotic` to install it.
It's a desktop computer, not a development box (though I admit for Linux types the lines are blurred). Who doesn't have a game on their desktop somewhere? :)
Please more of this. Superb video. I am very keen on finally getting rid of my proprietary hardware, after I successfully left windows/mac. I neutered the intel management engine but am curious about RISC-V and Power9 to be used in affordable workstations.
Fun fact regarding solar flares. In the year 2012 a solar flare happened and missed us by a margin of 9 days. If it had hit the earth the damage would have been in the trillions in USA alone. So yeah scary stuff.
tell me you gained real knowledge from books and a prof someplace. I luv linus don't get me wrong but switch inspiring to terrifying around circuit boards is more like it. GROUNDING is a damn must when your playing with thousands of dollars of gear. btw the scientifically proven best outfit to fix tech in, a cotton t-shirt and jeans. sandals not included ;)
Robert Corkum, of course, I did my own research and knowledge collecting I'm just saying like I never thought I liked computers that much until I watched him. I'm not going to put my future on a socks and sandles man XD
This is like one of the most important developments and general milestone things thats going on in the computer and tech world right now. And all Linus does is asking if he can play video games on it...
I really hope LTT does a follow-up on this in the future, I am seriously considering trading in some of my hobbies and projects to get this as a daily driver.
Well, dlnt be, in contrast to risc V this is a high performance platform that you can buy right now (Raptor Systems). It's really not a maket anyone is going for with risc V, and its mature (just not the desktop software for it quite)
@@queenelizabethiis_corpse Aside from the fact that the last PowerPC version of macOS was 10.4 and is now horribly out of date, PowerPC is different to POWER (although very similar). The two aren't compatible with each other.
I suspected from the title that this was at least in part in response to the security fiasco we had with spectre and meltdown. Good to see a true gamechanger from IBM!
Those raptor systems are actually reasonably priced, considering the market. I was fully expecting them to start at $20k for some awful specs, but it's only like Corsair One level pricey.
Linus occasionally going full "What if" with weird computing topics is awesome. Linux gaming, Open Hardware, Quantum Computing... All cool stuff. Keep it up!
Danm, but when he will take his holidays? I NEED a pause from linus. His face, his humor and his joy of life, i can't take anymore. Please Linus, take 1 month holyday.( from one of the first french fan )
The OpenPower boot architecture is wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Hostboot wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Skiboot wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Skiroot wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Petitboot Similar in design philosophy to the www.linuxboot.org/ project in the x86 world -- load Linux and a simple userland in the firmware and use its drivers to boot the intended system and its GNU/Linux build. Hostboot and Skiboot (which are free software) seem to be a close equivalent to LibreBoot
Open source has so many benefits, it's beautiful. When the software ecosystem gets there hardware manufacturers with money and sense will be able to pump out consumer equipment quickly. The idea of ditching x86_64 for POWER9 is very appealing as a Linux user, and seeing a Radeon card using what must be AMDGPU-PRO code already is very promising!
They are an assortment of them actually. Though since Risc-v is just an architecture and not even a core(not too mention that since it's modular as fuck, it's not even completly binary compatible with one another, however the same goes for x86, with it's still rising opcodes number), they are not interchangeable in any way. Not too mention that apart from sifive no one manufactures cpu/soc or boards(i mean they are c910 from alibaba but it is under comercial licence and to my knowledge it got no devboard so to speak of) that can be considered ready for desktop work in terms of perfomance and the one from sifive is kinda more on par with a rasberry pi, then conventional pc.
That's huge! IBM becoming more open with their hardware platform is not something I never thought I would see! Now that they're letting others build with PowerPC, this can mean a LOT for advancing computing! Open Source everything is the future. IBM knows this. I really hope this pans out and gets taken advantage of fully. It may not mean much to a lot of folks and gamers now, but this fundamental shift in thinking does put us on the road to newer possibilities that just were not there before.
Thanks Linus, I hope you are enjoying your vacation. This was great, I didn't know we had open source hardware such as this. I am amazed that there is a quad threaded cpu. How does it stand up against Eypc or Rome in scientific benchmarks? Please get them to send you a system for demo you could do a shared video with Level1techs and Wendle he loves open source everything on linux.
That really would be a waste wouldn't it? I mean you really don't need a lot of CPU power to do accomplish this task, just get a decent Ryzen and you're done.
@@master74200 I'm just half joking. That said if you truly want to transcode a real 4k video with surround sound down to something like 480p stero on a weak cellular connection, shoddy hotel WiFi, or plane wifi can handle on the fly then you need some serious power for even one stream. Pretty much all my devices are direct stream or direct play compatible but still. My current supermicro 4u dual Xeon e5 2650 Plex server 32TB SAS rig can handle one 4k transcode with subtitles if it's doing nothing else. You can always just creat optimized 720p versions of files tho.
@@narkoid The problem is doing it on-the-fly of course. I've never been in a situation where I couldn't handle 720p but still handle 480p, so I've lucked out on that part. But encoding in different resolutions ahead of time sure is ideal, but also very space consuming of course. I don't have 32TB of space, but I also don't have any devices that play 4k, so for me a 1080p version works by far most of the time for anything.
My current employer has a Power7 server running an AS400 & several AIX servers for ages & it's still rock solid! It keeps on running & running year after year, without any crash @ all! Very impressive if you compare it to the Windows world. I manage a big VMware/Windows/Linux serverfarm, but (except VMware & Linux) the Windows servers needs a lot of attention & reboots.
Thank you for covering this topic. I don’t think its importance has fully registered with most computer enthusiasts. But it will eventually. Power, RISC, and ARM architectures will change things dramatically over the next decade. Power9 and later iterations will live up to their names.
The POWER Architecture was used in more than older Macs! The Nintendo GameCube, Wii, and Wii U used it, as well as the Xbox 360 and the PS3*! In fact, while developing the Xbox 360, Microsoft even used Power Mac G5s as reference hardware for testing their dev tools! *PS3’s Cell processor, while not entirely POWER, was built around it.
imo the cool thing about it isn't that you could download the schematics and build one yourself, it's that you could download the schematics, tweak them to better suit your own needs then build that
Yep, they do! IBM got into the game really early on RISC and other than their work with Motorola, Cyrix, and Apple in the mid '90s through early 2000's have been focused primarily on in-house CPU designs and fabrication. The POWER architecture turns 30 years old next year.
it's living in the supercomputers... and in some very few homes with an very endangered species know as Amiga OS4 users... though they use Freescale and not IBM made PPC CPU's unless they use an modded Apple G4 or G5. (and if you wonder, there is being made brand new Amiga's, though made by Hyperion and just the motherboards cost $2000 alone)
PowerPC died in name only with the G5, but lived on as an industrial/automotive microcontroller as PowerPCe, and as an evolving architecture as the Power ISA. The Wii used a modified G3, and the Wii U supposedly used a weird somewhat-improved triple-core die-shrunk version of the Wii's G3.
That dude behind Linus at the beginning, lmao
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@@Stanton_High no
He was playing off his awkwardness but it was following him
@@Stanton_High fuck you whiteboi
You guys are tgay.
3:21 As one of the contributors to Xonotic, it was heartwarming to see this game being used to showcase the motherboard. Which as a fan of open-source I find itself a heartwarming product to know is now in existence.
Guy at 00:01
- Me when I see the sponsor bit starting
nice quality meme a strong 7/10
mhh thats a ten@@Albin_491
Nah, don't be like that... Daddy linus need some bread
Vincent Laurensius yeah he gets paid for the views not if we actually watch the part or not
@@grammarpolice7339 actually the charts saying how much the ad part is watched might be used to determine how much he gets paid, not totally sure.
For those who have no idea. Xonotic (the game Linus played) is in fact modified Quake 1.
Thank you I was looking for the game
@@Ipwn477 Sure, give it a go, there's still a plenty of people playing. It's opengl, so Windows, Mac, Linux... you name it.
A fork of nexuiz (which in turns runs on the DarkPlaces engine, which is based on the quake engine. A nice engine to be sure) to be more precise. I actually got it on the rig I'm typing it from. Quite fun.
Open source game
And it's a fantastic game, let me tell you
The guy with the coffee has really really bad pathfinding...
Next from nVidia: Ray traced paths
@@CaveyMoth path traced pathing. Wait a minute...
here a linus best i go away or he would dropp my coffe
COME AND GET YOUR BIRTHDAY PRESENT
surely its not as bad as followers in skyrim
"if you bought a Mac in the early 2000s you've used it before" so did everyone with a xbox360 or ps3 or wii
GameCube and WiiU as well
Huge numbers of network switches from Cisco, HP, Extreme, Avaya, Juniper, etc. have used Power architecture CPUs in the past. Only in recent years has that begun to change.
Wow I didn’t know that my old gamecube is powered by an IBM cpu, that is cool.
8:27 *Casually dropping a potentially expensive CPU*
- *_Linus Drop Tips_*
_luckily it's dead_
Yes its dead... after he dropped it
@@joaolucas7734
Linus: This is a dead one right?
Staff member: Yeah
_Linus feels relieved_
Staff member: It is now
_Paranoia intensifies_
the guy is a total butterfingered klutz isnt he? lol
Raptor sells POWER9 for $375 (quad core) up to $2625 (22-core). They're surprisingly reasonably priced. They're also screaming fast for a lot of workloads. Unfortunately, the platform is still quite expensive, you won't find anything like a cheap X99 board that takes a Xeon chip. Cheapest board is $975 for a really cut down one with two memory and two PCIe slots.
"this is the dead one right?"
Finally Linus. Please buy one of these systems and do a performance review. See how it stacks up against typical x86 systems. Please
@Linus Tech Tips They are available tomorrow :=)
Is power9 supposed to be better and faster than x64?
@@johnnyblack4261 there are advantages to having a piece of hardware written specifically for your software, this goes beyond "Is it faster than x86_64"
@@hammerheadcorvette4 I want to know the architecture cause like I don't want to be limited to 4 GB of RAM like 32bit is.
@@johnnyblack4261 32bit is only Limited to 4GB on Windows... Linux with a PAE kernel allows for 64GB, but 1 process cannot address more than 4GB. Also, none of that applies in this case because these cpu's are not x86_64. These are OpenSource solutions. Traditional x86_64 cpu's have totally different and Proprietary ISA, these use a PowerISA and allow for open source ISA's. In comparison these are 12 core processors with 8 threads per core. so these are 96 thread cpu's.
I could go on and on, but you need to do research on what cpu architectures are and how they work.
0:03 "Im walking forward, i wasn't sleep for last two days because i was doing presentations of this smart technology that no one buy anyway, just need to end this coffe and have enough energy to continue my work. Oh, camera... WOAH! A PERSON!"
Poor guy, lol.
win
IBM: preventing tech apocalypse using machine learning and some shit
Me: Watching YT videos while eating
That dude at the beginning. Just changed his mind.
power was also used in the gamecube, wii, wiiU, xbox360, and a heavily modified version in the ps3
Beat me to it. ;)
We also cant ignore the fact the wii used radeon graphics.
@@yako0006 Back before AMD bought ATI.
Wow so thats the reason why ps3 was so ahead of its time. I mean some ps3 games still play as well as ps4. If power pc architecture had remained in consumer market i think we would be better off. I believe the biggest downfall at the time was mac not achieving 3ghz with optinum power cobsumption and intel was
lots of cars used them in their EMUs, as well as Honda ASIMO and the F35 jet.
Does this mean I can finally download motherboard to go with my RAM I've been downloading?
I have been using a downloaded virtual PC for years, it’s virtually the most powerful consumer PC ever produced and for the low cost of an Internet connection.
Yes, Damn sure downloadable graphics card are coming soon for some sweet gaming on a fully downloaded pc.
There is actually an open source graphics card. Not sure how for the development is these days though.
Sure you could... if you had the means to fabricate them. =)
@@RuiFungYip You can download RAM from Thinigiverse and 3d print them (its about the joke "download more RAM", but you could use these as dummy holders, kind of like real companies were doing with fake RAM sticks because RAM was too expensive, and they wanted to make it look like you had a fully loaded system....). I've printed an Intel CPU before (you can use them for protecting pins), but I joked that's about how useful it would be after I get done with them on extreme overclocking, so being plastic its just as useful!
When it comes to technology and American tech sector, IBM is probably the most innovative and most forward thinking of all of them. Good job IBM!
I'd say too forward thinking, their tech so so far into the future there is not market for it most of the time, like their quantum computer, their oldschool smartphone, etc.
Was its source "opened" after you dropped it?
because it was open before he dropped it all the source splashed on the floor
@@saucybackport *cue Valve's creepy intro track*
@@saucybackport - So instead of the magic smoke getting out, the magic source leaked out.
update: IBM POWER ISA also got open sourced recently:
www.tomshardware.com/news/ibm-power-isa-open-source,40219.html
@@FrankHarwald
So is openPower now as free as RISC-V?
Always love to see Linus giving the open source community some love.
2018: Download Free RAM
2019: Download Free Motherboard
You'll get the pinouts and schematics. You need to make the parts yourself.
The actual potential here is kind of mindblowing.
Check out the G5 Macs. They were essentially Power 5 systems from 2003-2005 that could rival PCs that came out around 5 years later.
The downside to them was huge amounts of heat and large power consumption, that's why the G5 never made it to a laptop, and the heat, why it never reached 3GHz.
It seems they've finally figured all that out though. Massive potential here.
My G5 sounds like an airport sometimes. Nice to see this changing.
Hopefully hardware manufacturer embrace open source standards more widely.
Nice to see there was screen time for both SiFive and IBM/Raptor. As a free software advocate, seeing some competition to the X86/ARM duopoly is refreshing.
I'm surprised Linus didn't drop the guy's coffee at the start
He dropped the cpu at the end though
But he dropped one of the CPUs.
@@bit2shift I know, I watched the video, and someone else already reminded me of that
@@bit2shift Of course they gave him a dead one LOL
@@SirDaShadow if not, now it is definitiv dead 😂
Wouldn't be an LTT video without Linus dropping other people's expensive toys. LOL
Linus "Intel please send me another Xeon, and IBM please send me a 144 thread CPU"
You've done so many videos about open source components, when are you going to combine them to create the full open source PC ? We're waiting !
He just had to drop something...
Chefies Bass Boosts I know right but then it wouldn’t be a linus tech tips video
He dropped CPU at 8:27
"This is the dead one, right?" Well, now it certainly is
Woah! Didn't expect to see a Linus Tech Tips video about this! I have one of these systems myself and I'm quite happy with it. I wouldn't recommend this sort of thing unless you have at least some Linux/FreeBSD experience of course.
I bought mine because I like POWER, but you have a much more trustworthy system with a completely open design (even the remote management is open source).
Okay guys, show of hands:
Who would like to see LTT build a motherboard from source!?
Cause I would.
Like the idea, by my estimate it would have to be a kinda long series.. since it's no simple task!
erlendse and water cooling a Red One is a simple task that’ll take one single 10 minute video.
I mean, they’re already swinging for some tall fences, might as well take aim at one more...
The PCB is pretty easy to do, and for the CPU he could get it fabbed or just get one from NXP or IBM. Sockets can be 3D printed, and chips can either be bought or, as earlier, fabbed. This could take a long time.
Somehow I've been using computers for 20 years and watching LTT for a hundred episodes or so and I still don't understand half of what Linus is saying in this video. Soo much more to learn...
Just because you know how to drive a car doesn't mean you can build one
i am not even 20 years old bra
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Did you know?
A job title at IBM is MASTER INVENTOR
Hmmm.... Wonder how much kragle they have.
when they give Linus a dead CPU because they know he'll drop it... and drops it...
I've been thinking that open source hardware is going to be the future, and I've been watching for more manufacturers to start moving this direction. Glad to see that the potential is getting there, still, long way to go, but the future of looking bright!
the unsaid thing is that computer development has gotten too expensive for even the giants to push everywhere all the time so by making everything open they're getting incremental developments for free
Power10(not caps anymore) now has proprietary firmware in 2 of the core chips :333
1) predict when the next civilization wiping solar flare will happen
2) instead of telling anyone, make a buttload of machines that can resist the solar flare based on OpenPower
3) ????
4) Profit
This made me chuckle.
you have to know about physics to understand that it's impossible to save electronics device from solar flare pulse without tesla cage and even more to not cut signal whit the cage
Then it's not impossible to save electronics from the solar flare.
Of course, you will probably need to do wacky shit like using a laser to feed power to the computer.
How do you make a profit by selling stuff when there are no working Economies after "the next civilization wiping solar flare" fucking yeeted all of humanity back into the dark middle ages? + It would be a modern day version of the middle ages - dark ages with a fuck ton of people + an even bigger fuck ton of pretty scary weapons which still work fine after solar flares.
All you accomplish, if you truly have the only working (now extremely valueable) pre-crisis technology on your hands, would be getting People to hunt you down and take everything away from you by force (and maybe even kill you). You only make yourself a target for powerful people, which means the only way for you to pull that off would be for you to actually have the means to really defend yourself in case someone tries anything... but that is probably impossible, because you surely won't have the upper hand if some nato forces decide to show up and "appropriate" literally all of your technology. lmao
Glad to see people still using the classic method to post responses.
Linus playing video games on dev hardware ... ok fine ... but who the hell installed a game on it in the first place ?!
There's a plushie of openSUSE's mascot on the PC, so presumably it runs openSUSE, meaning Linus could just run `sudo zypper install xonotic` to install it.
I guess they put it on there for him?
It could be bots, but its quite possible that there were at least other 5 people "displaying the PCI-E capabilities" of the OpenPower.
@@dan_loup Other Linuses (Lini?) ... impossible :)
It's a desktop computer, not a development box (though I admit for Linux types the lines are blurred). Who doesn't have a game on their desktop somewhere? :)
Great video! I love seeing more of the open hardware and software on this channel recently! Thanks, LTT! :)
YES! XONOTIC! I love this game so much, and 'Meltdown' from Xonotic is my hype song.
* waiting for linus to drop something *
* end cards play *
"wow, good job linus"
* extra scene where linus drops something *
"THERE IT IS!"
*Open source hardware*
Linus: Let's install Windows on it.
I'm pretty sure he only said Linux and BSD.
@@azarilh2355 r/whoooosh
@@WigglyWings A bad joke.
@thegeorgezila it wasn't funny. It just is a bad joke.
Azarilh bad joke
Please more of this. Superb video. I am very keen on finally getting rid of my proprietary hardware, after I successfully left windows/mac. I neutered the intel management engine but am curious about RISC-V and Power9 to be used in affordable workstations.
"if you have very deep pockets" *drops this CPU as well
linus: it's the dead one right?
ibm guy: it is now
Fun fact regarding solar flares. In the year 2012 a solar flare happened and missed us by a margin of 9 days. If it had hit the earth the damage would have been in the trillions in USA alone. So yeah scary stuff.
Was it 21 december? :T
Azarilh I understood that reference.
9 days is a pretty good margin. Missed us by that much || .....
Over 23,000,000 km.
@@robertt9342 it's only 2% of a year tho.
@mcj201 Huh, odd. :P
I love the range you guys have outside of the gaming industry
THANK YOU for making open source projects more popular. You are our hero in Linux community!
Ewww... Linux
@@basshead. ? What wrong with linux
Linus made linux.
+shuwan4games Pretty hard to use and not user friendly at all.
Windows > MacOS > Linux
@@basshead. ? maybe on the past but not anymore with distros like ubuntu or mint.
I really hope the power architecture becomes popular again, IBM's work is really impressive
Linus is the only reason I became interested in circuit boards and computers amazing vids btw
tell me you gained real knowledge from books and a prof someplace. I luv linus don't get me wrong but switch inspiring to terrifying around circuit boards is more like it. GROUNDING is a damn must when your playing with thousands of dollars of gear. btw the scientifically proven best outfit to fix tech in, a cotton t-shirt and jeans. sandals not included ;)
Robert Corkum, of course, I did my own research and knowledge collecting I'm just saying like I never thought I liked computers that much until I watched him. I'm not going to put my future on a socks and sandles man XD
IBM: Make PowerPC Great Again!
We need to build from source - IBM
I learned nothing from this video, but i feel like i'm getting smarter
Mashed Potahtoo your not alone
It feels the same bro at starting but u will end up learning a lot from this hardworking virgin ass
@@Vieledspy you're !
@Sufyan Siddiqui yeah bro I was just saying... he has a very cute daughter 😍 😍 and smart son
@@rohitrawat823 lol you salty AF
Xonotic's playerbase doubled during the filming of this video.
I hope so, Xonotic is actually great.
This is like one of the most important developments and general milestone things thats going on in the computer and tech world right now. And all Linus does is asking if he can play video games on it...
As an engineer for a Power shop, it's great to see the love. And great to see what comes next!
2:19 Technically, it doesn't have dual BIOS. One's for the BMC service processor and the other is for the mainboard.
I really hope LTT does a follow-up on this in the future, I am seriously considering trading in some of my hobbies and projects to get this as a daily driver.
Expected something about RISC-V.
*_Mildly disappointed_*
Well, dlnt be, in contrast to risc V this is a high performance platform that you can buy right now (Raptor Systems).
It's really not a maket anyone is going for with risc V, and its mature (just not the desktop software for it quite)
@@Germanwtb You can turn the Raptor talos into a hackintosh. It just will run on a version of Mac OS X made for powerpc.
@@queenelizabethiis_corpse Aside from the fact that the last PowerPC version of macOS was 10.4 and is now horribly out of date, PowerPC is different to POWER (although very similar). The two aren't compatible with each other.
I suspected from the title that this was at least in part in response to the security fiasco we had with spectre and meltdown. Good to see a true gamechanger from IBM!
Linus you picked the wrong motherboard
You must check out the Soulja motherboard
Ibrahim Abu Eraq I was not expecting this 😂
SouljaBoard starting at $899
@@josuejared7747 was 1599.99
This reference isn't that old, but already feels dated.
Nah thats nothing, the SouljaBoardTellEms board is where its at
Those raptor systems are actually reasonably priced, considering the market. I was fully expecting them to start at $20k for some awful specs, but it's only like Corsair One level pricey.
That guy in the start
Linus occasionally going full "What if" with weird computing topics is awesome. Linux gaming, Open Hardware, Quantum Computing... All cool stuff. Keep it up!
Linus' face as he randomly drops the cpu😂😂
Danm, but when he will take his holidays? I NEED a pause from linus. His face, his humor and his joy of life, i can't take anymore. Please Linus, take 1 month holyday.( from one of the first french fan )
LibreBoot + that motherboard is literally my future now
They have coreboot at least.
The OpenPower boot architecture is
wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Hostboot
wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Skiboot
wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Skiroot
wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Petitboot
Similar in design philosophy to the www.linuxboot.org/ project in the x86 world -- load Linux and a simple userland in the firmware and use its drivers to boot the intended system and its GNU/Linux build. Hostboot and Skiboot (which are free software) seem to be a close equivalent to LibreBoot
Open source has so many benefits, it's beautiful. When the software ecosystem gets there hardware manufacturers with money and sense will be able to pump out consumer equipment quickly. The idea of ditching x86_64 for POWER9 is very appealing as a Linux user, and seeing a Radeon card using what must be AMDGPU-PRO code already is very promising!
Kudos for mentioning the Intel Management Engine vis-a-vis open source!
I enjoy you reporting you on these events... Some of my favorite LTT videos or when you go to CES or computex
>"What if you bought a mac, but never used it?"
>When you a buy a mac. You're the one being used
Obvious joke is obvious
Joke or not, it's incredibly intellectually lazy.
@@themonroe654hd6 you sound salty
@@isaiahheyward1488 I don't really care, I'm just of the opinion that dunking on easy targets doesn't make you smart or edgy, it just makes you lazy.
@@themonroe654hd6 do you by any chance wear a fedora? Yikes
@@thanksskeletor4812 Got em good with that one.
POWER9 - 12 cores - 8 threads per core (96 threads!!!), 7TB internal bandwidth. Scale up design has 32 channel DDR4 with 4TB per cpu. Some motherboards enable 16 sockets!
POWER10 - 48 cores - SMT8 (384 threads), PCIe gen 5.0. New arch.
Is there going to be another video of think ibm 2019?
It's cool seeing a Linus video about stuff we make at my job.
We need a RISC V open source motherboard :)
I legit thought this one was an update video about the RISC V
They are an assortment of them actually. Though since Risc-v is just an architecture and not even a core(not too mention that since it's modular as fuck, it's not even completly binary compatible with one another, however the same goes for x86, with it's still rising opcodes number), they are not interchangeable in any way. Not too mention that apart from sifive no one manufactures cpu/soc or boards(i mean they are c910 from alibaba but it is under comercial licence and to my knowledge it got no devboard so to speak of) that can be considered ready for desktop work in terms of perfomance and the one from sifive is kinda more on par with a rasberry pi, then conventional pc.
That's huge! IBM becoming more open with their hardware platform is not something I never thought I would see! Now that they're letting others build with PowerPC, this can mean a LOT for advancing computing!
Open Source everything is the future. IBM knows this. I really hope this pans out and gets taken advantage of fully. It may not mean much to a lot of folks and gamers now, but this fundamental shift in thinking does put us on the road to newer possibilities that just were not there before.
HAHAHHAA of course Linus dropped something at the very end
Just looked up POWER10. Wow, it's nuts!
Lol, Linus is allergic to CPUs; if he touch a one, he has to drop a one 🤣
Thanks Linus, I hope you are enjoying your vacation. This was great, I didn't know we had open source hardware such as this. I am amazed that there is a quad threaded cpu. How does it stand up against Eypc or Rome in scientific benchmarks? Please get them to send you a system for demo you could do a shared video with Level1techs and Wendle he loves open source everything on linux.
So what you are saying is I can run Plex and transcode 4k on a 4 CPU 176 core 704 thread 4u server with a 24 bay sas chassis?
It'll even run Crysis which doing all that.
@@Rn-pp9et That could run mutiple instances of crysis
That really would be a waste wouldn't it? I mean you really don't need a lot of CPU power to do accomplish this task, just get a decent Ryzen and you're done.
@@master74200 I'm just half joking. That said if you truly want to transcode a real 4k video with surround sound down to something like 480p stero on a weak cellular connection, shoddy hotel WiFi, or plane wifi can handle on the fly then you need some serious power for even one stream. Pretty much all my devices are direct stream or direct play compatible but still. My current supermicro 4u dual Xeon e5 2650 Plex server 32TB SAS rig can handle one 4k transcode with subtitles if it's doing nothing else. You can always just creat optimized 720p versions of files tho.
@@narkoid The problem is doing it on-the-fly of course. I've never been in a situation where I couldn't handle 720p but still handle 480p, so I've lucked out on that part.
But encoding in different resolutions ahead of time sure is ideal, but also very space consuming of course. I don't have 32TB of space, but I also don't have any devices that play 4k, so for me a 1080p version works by far most of the time for anything.
My current employer has a Power7 server running an AS400 & several AIX servers for ages & it's still rock solid! It keeps on running & running year after year, without any crash @ all! Very impressive if you compare it to the Windows world. I manage a big VMware/Windows/Linux serverfarm, but (except VMware & Linux) the Windows servers needs a lot of attention & reboots.
Me looking for my dad when im lost but run into the wrong person 0:01
I wonder when a new version of AmigaOS will come out for that...
Thank you for covering this topic. I don’t think its importance has fully registered with most computer enthusiasts. But it will eventually. Power, RISC, and ARM architectures will change things dramatically over the next decade. Power9 and later iterations will live up to their names.
Why do I already sense a Video with Linus and Alex where there is a costum made open source motherboard involved within the next 3 years?
Dude at the beginning looked like he had a lot on his plate that day. Been there bro.
I'm a simple person I hear PowerPC and it makes me happy.
Nice to see open source hardware, it's a good direction for a better industrie.
They have everything there...
But do they have RGB?
It's getting old mate, this joke is getting old. Don't take it personal
Yes so good
So ready for rgb to not be a fad anymore... The decade of rainbow computers needs to end... It's the computing equiv of a ricer...
nah you need the rgb module sold seperately
The board is open source, just build your own
Thanks IBM! Cool stuff they develop
If there is a motherboard where is the fatherboard
he left to buy cigars and never came back
He left to go get milk
The POWER Architecture was used in more than older Macs! The Nintendo GameCube, Wii, and Wii U used it, as well as the Xbox 360 and the PS3*! In fact, while developing the Xbox 360, Microsoft even used Power Mac G5s as reference hardware for testing their dev tools!
*PS3’s Cell processor, while not entirely POWER, was built around it.
wait so:
pcie 3.0 < pci 4.0 < openCAPI < NVlink ?
I think so lol
imo the cool thing about it isn't that you could download the schematics and build one yourself, it's that you could download the schematics, tweak them to better suit your own needs then build that
Dam this is really cool, I did't even know IBM made processors :D
Yep, they do! IBM got into the game really early on RISC and other than their work with Motorola, Cyrix, and Apple in the mid '90s through early 2000's have been focused primarily on in-house CPU designs and fabrication. The POWER architecture turns 30 years old next year.
Really cool to see Xonotic getting some exposure.
PowerPC still exists?!? I thought that died with the PowerMac G5, my parents' marriage, and the Wii!
it's living in the supercomputers...
and in some very few homes with an very endangered species know as Amiga OS4 users...
though they use Freescale and not IBM made PPC CPU's unless they use an modded Apple G4 or G5.
(and if you wonder, there is being made brand new Amiga's, though made by Hyperion and just the motherboards cost $2000 alone)
PowerPC died in name only with the G5, but lived on as an industrial/automotive microcontroller as PowerPCe, and as an evolving architecture as the Power ISA. The Wii used a modified G3, and the Wii U supposedly used a weird somewhat-improved triple-core die-shrunk version of the Wii's G3.
@@brrebrresen1367 Unfortunately, even Freescale/NXP seem to be phasing out those PPC CPU's in favor of ARM-based ones.
@@3DGECASE, Hyperion still gets em new from Freescale, but that they might have stopped any future development would not surprise me.
Super cool video! I love content like this and the RISC-V video. Keep it up LTT!
Fun fact most of you won't care about: Macs started using PowerPC chips back in the mid 90's actually. 😉
And water is wet
I really hope Raptor Engineering scores a commercial break through with this
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Does it contain more RGB?
The best use for a dual socket POWER9 system is building your code with `make -j 176`.
Can more big companies plz sponsor you? I wanna see you nit pick every big companies’ next endeavors.
"This is like the least appropriate possible use for a system like this. I love it." ~Linus Sebastian (3:40)