I've tried to explain thermal throttling to my bosses and coworkers when they thought it better to buy laptops instead of desktops for our work. We use CPU intensive engineering software. The general public - even somewhat tech savvy people - don't have a clue about thermal throttling. The see i7 on laptop specs and think same as desktop i7. The PC companies also push a misleading narrative.
It's not only thermal throttling, but a laptop core i7 7700hq is slower than a desktop core i7 2700k from 2011, of course it has vastly improved now, a laptop core i9 9880h has about the same performance as a core i7 6700k from 2015
@@klaydi5840 To be fair, Intel is like 2 or 3 generations behind in fab technology (5nm compared to 14nm or 10nm). You can see the difference of going to a smaller node in Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 3000, it's massive. Of course, the M1 is still impressive, but they didn't beat intel THAT badly when you consider that they should get some of that lead back as they close the technological gap.
I work selling cellphones and imo they don't tolerate it in their iPhones because from my anecdotal experience people expect computers to lag but have meltdowns the second their phone hiccups once.
I'm the same way. If my pc lags I'll just let it go for a bit and fix it, but if my old android phones ever lagged I lost my shit. I think it's cause you can usually deal with your computer being out for a couple minutes doing a task, but I need my phone to work 100% for all tasks
I think they just have different departments, apple is huge and their projects compete with eachother. iPhones make up almost 70% of apples revenue. Of course they are going to have a bigger overhead and qa. Not to mention apple builds their cpus on site, and does not use other manufacturers cpu's for their iPhones. Macs have died out, it is easier to use premiere on a well cooled, similarly equipped machine, with faster render times. The only reason I see to use a mac is day to day use (web, emails, ect.) and macos specific applications. (swift)
I like Linus for the fact that he knows what he speaks. A real tech reviewer. It's just funny to see people following some other reviewer who just explains about the looks and feels of the products.
@@tomikun8057 you have no clue wtf you're talking about. The average consumer does not give 2 shits if their system is 5% faster or not.. hell.. the average Joe doesn't even know what a processor is.. they do however care about how it looks and the build quality etc..
For real though: My upstairs office gets super cold. Thankfully, I can just fire up my old 2013 iMac and the whole room will be warned up in no time at all.
So what you're saying there is that Apple consumers drove Apple to make an inferior product. Resulting in said consumers ability to buy a new machine more often due to improper cooling. Glad I'm in the Microsoft camp. Especially since my PC which was originally designed for Window XP is currently using Window 7. And I might add performing at peak performance.
I worked at Apple for three years. I met maybe three people that actually gave a shit about performance. They cared about the aesthetics, stability and simplicity.
@Kamal Kristipati umm no many get to have finalcut pro which is really optimized and many use them because of color accurate displays. I guess many just like the apple experience too.
@Kamal Kristipati yeh specs dont matter when apple cant do what competitions does but apple claims about neural engines taptic engines and more sh1t because they know kids are so gullible
@Hunter zone False, and anyone who could afford it. As Linus mentions in this video 6:06 drawing a web page is faster, launching an ap, almost everything is faster.
I disagree. They do live up to their innovation standard. They can innovate, go several generation ahead in technology, and amaze people on both apple haters and apple lovers to get more money for less
Not really. They still stay at 95-100C which is the same for longevity and who is to say they aren't still leaving performance on the table? I mean they still have minimal cooling (literally none on the air). They have better performance because of a better chip, Apple did nothing Linus suggested.
@@josephgood2704 well technically they wanted to make it fanless but if they used thermal pads to literally almost fix the issue they would be breaking restrictions which keep you from making a laptop with a hot bottom and would be forced to revise the MacBook before it even gets sold
@@josephgood2704 9:40 He talked a little bit about why Apple didn’t put processors better for the form factor they’re creating. Also at 6:56 talked about the iPhone performance in comparison to androids, probably referring to the efficiency they have. And says “Why this difference in philosophy?” And they’ve fixed it with M1
The music at Starbucks is so horrible lately that even with headphones on it makes me want to rip out all the hair on my body on my bare hands. It doesn't help that every Starbucks also has the music jacked up to 11 which is apparently the default Starbucks speaker volume. They used to play a lot of old-school R&B, 60s/70s funk, and 80s "new wave", now it's an endless loop of overly sensitive lesbian singer-songwriters and really, really white guys singing Marvin Gaye songs. I haven't been to a Starbucks in months...
Those last few sentences are awesome. But they are headed into a direction more suitable to their users with apple silicon. Less powerful overall but more efficient for specific tasks, less heat, less noise, less power consumption. As much as I hate apple I gotta give em some credit.
@@squdardt.9719 Well you can think that but it's a matter of fact. They aren't going to be using those m1 chips for computational science or for enterprise. They are more suitable for low demanding tasks and light/tight hardware.
@@seb06_7 I'm a Mac user and what he said is pretty much the thoughts of anyone who has been following the failure of the Macbook Pro line to accommodate Intel spinning its wheels at 14nm.
Lol me took I went to Apple. And I showed them how it heat up 😂🤣 The manager wasn't able to explain when I told him I'm still checking how to fill the consumer protection form is that by saying it's a laptop, heater or a grill. He took it and refunded me even after 2 months from the purchase 😂
One of my programmer buddies at work covered his up with a windows logo after his boss denied him a less expensive pc that would have allowed him to do his work better and got him a Mac instead. Works for a great hand warmer though if the building ever gets chilly.
I would if I ever decide to buy one, I mean you pay for that and then you advertise their product for free? nah as my marketing teacher says companies should pay you for all the free plublicity you give them by being basically a walking ad carrying their brands around.
Lets Hope we can have Trump Censor these Video Games from getting more Stupid everyday I’m not hating on Linus but what the heck is happening to this Generation of Idiots more... People are becoming Lazy everyday and not caring what happens to their life they act like there is no meaning how to spend their life but play video games until the end !!! The New Generation are a disgrace to America. Trump 2020
@@MisakaMikotoDesu Yeah - so far ahead that it has .. oh right, no new features, lacks features others have had for a decade, and oh right - actually has the worst security but just hardly any viruses cause hackers don't even bother for such a tiny minority.
@@ABaumstumpf I'm sorry you're a fanboy. I've used Windows, Linux and MacOS about as long as any of the others. I also use FreeBSD on my VPS and home server. I still use Windows (unfortunately) on my gaming PC. MacOS is the best to use as a daily driver desktop OS out of all of them, no competition.
@@MisakaMikotoDesu there's no way to determine which UI is objectively best. usually its what you grew up with using or you get used to it due to work. people buy these things because they have conservative good looks and are a status symbol
@@MisakaMikotoDesu Hey Dogshit company product user. This amazing guy, Linus is literally talking about thermal throttles and cooling systems. Not using your dumb ass product to watch Dora the explorer. Did you even watch the video Dogshit company product user? The guy above definitely did since it's the subject of the video anyways.
That why mac want to use ARM like iphone. Now i knew they want to design software rather optimize hardware (other than mobile hardware), because trends and profit margin
Snazzy labs did a hackintosh that was actually smaller than the Mac mini and performed better than the Apple Mac mini. It’s on his channel from several months ago.
@@pinocatozzo Yes a tiny metal box that radiates heat, and has a cooling fan and heat pipes inside. so... It's too bad Linus does not own a PC he could do a test with. But he does own a "chill box" so that is just as good.
Sure, but that doesn't really explain why the company has such different design philosophies for their flagship products. It's honestly a bit shocking.
It's actually sad but I can understand it. The iphone is simply a more popular product compared to macs. Macs used to be their biggest focus many years ago before the iphone, now it gets barely any attention from them. You often see how they release new versions without bothering to throw an event or announcement, just put it up on the web and not give a shit. Not to mention some stupid design choices (keyboard and thermal in particular) they did with their MBP lineup.
maybe equipment supplier wasn't honest with Apple, like for example if Intel wrote in their datasheet that their CPU can operate up to 95 degree Celsius it contradict with common sense of PC enthusiast that it should be lower than that.
But that doesn't really work either. If Apple are ok with outting in high spec chips and having them throttle, they could just make a higher spec chip for the iPhone qnd have it throttle. I do think Linus touched on the reason though, Apple market to less tech-savvy rech users. It's really easy for someone to gloat about their i7 MacBook and hiw it has a better CPU than someone elses noteboot with another Intel chip (even if they are wrong), but when it comes to phone hardware, almost no one has any clue at all. So, since Apple make their own, they simpme make their chios 'just good enough' and leave it at that, knowing no one in their target market will directly compare their hardware to Samsungs, and if any non-Apple fanboi TH-camrs try, it will go over the heads of both Apple users and most non-Apple users. TL;DR, Apple don't use the internals of iPhones for marketing, but do use the internals of their laptop and desktop lines to a limited degree.
Optimization no matter how much you fucks wine like a bitch macs are better optimized. I only use pc for gaming or extra work when mac is bg. I prefer both for different reasons you are all clowns.
@@monbjra So what you're saying is. If you don't know how to build a PC optimized for what you need it for, apple is better? There are PC builders out there who can deliver a complete system, the same way Apple does. There are literally no professional fields where Apple has an edge. All the programs you need to work professionally on a PC are more plentiful and versatile than the Apple counterparts.
Apple fanboys are the worst kind of fanboys. Even with FACTS in front of their faces they cant accept the reality. Its easier to make personal attacks. If you cant understand what linus just said in here, you deserved to be the idiot you are. Keep buying your defective apple shit, its made exacly for morons like you.
@alysdexia Sure, just focus on that, i was on mobile and typed fast. But hey, if you like the crap apple make, its cool. Its your money that youre wasting, not mine.
You should do a LTT vs LTT employee 5-person competition, where they have 1 day to come up with a solution to cool the Macbook and whoever has the best price-to-performance solution (noise counts) wins.
My theory is that Apple has been planning on releasing ARM based systems for far longer than it initially appears. I think they were purposefully treating their Intel systems like this, not to fool consumers, but to make their Silicon chips look even better than they otherwise would be without gimping the performance of the Intel systems
@@jamesbuckwas6575 I would love to have 2 and 3 at the same time, but that requires companies to install larger batteries in their devices, the problem is that they don't want to go above the 60wh-80wh standard for some reason, and for another unknown reason, they won't give us removable batteries anymore
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem Nah the reason why they canceled Airpower is that it is actually impossible with our current technology, as it's impossible to put that many wireless charging coils together without generating an absurd amount of heat and creating a Note 7 version wireless charging mat. So yeah, Apple did attempt to ignore the laws of physics for a second time.
@@danielhu6485 They could have used exotic materials for the induction coils, a lower resistance conductor would generate less heat. Thus, costs too much to be viable. The tech is pretty straightforward.
@@chetanaik Exotic materials such as?? Copper, the material they were going to use, already has a really small resistance, so I doubt that there is a CURRENT material that could actually work. Sure, in the FUTURE, they could probably get the tech to work, but right now I simply don't think its possible to mass-produce an AirPower product.
@@danielhu6485 Silver for instance is a better conductor than copper. Very expensive true, but very easy to produce and manufacture. There's also the possibility of special thermally conductive (but electrically non conductive) materials being used to dissipate heat over a larger area. You could also implement an active cooling system, as resistance does increase with temperature. This would probably not meet apple 'slickness' guidelines though. The heat dissipation is easily done, but it's not really worth the price or the effort for something so inane. Edit: "easily" done is an exaggeration, but yes can be done
Not completely true, I think it's more like Apple Marketing - how much slim do you want an i9 laptop to be Tim Cook - Yes Apple technicians - But... Tim Cook - I SAID YES.
@@1972LittleC Or more like Design team - how slim do you want an i9 MacBook Pro to be? Tim Cook - Yes Apple Technicians - But... Tim Cook - I said YES Apple Technicians - But Sir!!!??? Tim Cook - *swearing* when I fucking say yes, I don't fucking change my mind. Apple Technicians - But Sir, AirPower... Tim Cook - You're fired!!! Apple Technicians - You mean me? Tim Cook - The whole technical department. You're all fired. Rip it up, we start from scratch. Fuck! 😫
or a logic board replacement, which costs... gimme one sec, checking their repair prices.. ooh that unibody design means they're going to have to replace the entire non-display underbody.. uh nvm just get a new one
Even after those discussions about thermal throttling, be them true or false, Macs still have a longer shelf life (on average) than PCs, and retain their value longer. No matter your next excuse.
Actually if you are in a business sector and working with other companies and clients it can be really important. I personally use macbook mainly because of its OS, and spend probably 70% of the time on macbook and 30% on windows based computer
@@TheScrubmuffin69 if you know what you're doing with it and why you have it. Otherwise you look like a businessman ready to throw money at anything, production and budget aside.
I'm so happy you and Louis broke bread and are now regularly mentioning eachother on your channels. I've been a subscriber of his for ages and was so happy the first time you two collabed. It speaks to your character and lack of ego that you're able to benefit from eachother's knowledge and give the viewer a much more informative experience.
Hey Linus... Thanks for the constantly amazing content... I am a dinosaur... 75 years old with a long career supporting IBM and compatible mainframes. An old piece of mainframe lore... "All CPUS wait at the same speed" Hey... It's true! So if your OS or multi-CPU workload did not manage the CPU usage well, then guess what..?
Apple's agenda still is people who care about software should make their own hardware. Then I guess they should start making their own CPUs as well for PCs....
your usage of the meme is incorrect. Were the laws of physics to say "hold my beer" to the remark made by apple, then when apple created it's 1mm i9 chip, a much smaller i9 chip would have spontaneously generated somewhere in the universe as a response. Please amend this mistake by committing unable-to-connect.
@Mind Freshener okay coding for windows on Mac is not a good idea! but linux is. I used to program with android studio on Windows, as well as other programming languages, and made my life hell!!! so slow and way too much bugs while compiling, after using mac everything was fast, responsive and most importantly didn't waste my time fixing thing's that shouldn't haben in the first place, that was the point where i never looked back at windows. No matter how people hate Apple, they can't deny how efficient, responsive and seamless OS they have made!! it was made for you to work on it, not like windows running behind it's tale fixing each problem or problems after each crappy update that messes the whole thing!!
@Mind Freshener i have been using windows over 10 years and hesitated to try mac, i tried mac last year because of a college of mine, and dam i was blown away, trust me, it changed my life!!! most of pc user's don't try mac because it's expensive, and has few or no ports, but they forget to see the software side of the Mac, i am in computer science field and Mac OS has the best algorithms in this world! and by the way, u don't need any work around it, it works out of the box! And think about it time is money, and you should spend your time doing your creative work not running after pc fixing it like running after dog, that was my point. The more you get busy & productive in life, it's also worth spending in tech that makes your life much more productive, efficient, reliable and easier....
@@unlokia he didn't get to know everyone, it was just a general analysis, but when did you get to a point where you know so much about him? what if he did get to know everyone, then what?
Yet people keep arguing with me when I say i9 processor are not good in laptops. You need really good cooling to get top performance and laptops don’t have that unless they are 20 pounds.
People are arguing with you because you are wrong. i9s are fine in most gaming "laptops" they are shit in macbooks. Try not to make an ass hat blanket statement and maybe people wont get so defensive.
@@GifCoDigital i think he said that i9 should be only in laptops which have better cooling which would weigh almost around 20 pounds, no sense in lugging around a 10kilo laptop is there?
My son and I were in the Mac store in our local city, just looking around and we overheard one of the other customers saying; 'It's so shiny.' Just about sums it up really: THE MAC - A TRIUMPH OF DESIGN OVER FUNCTIONALITY.
@@PiPiTheLabra I actually cooled my PC by opening the window in winter and dropping the room temperature to 12°C :P The temps were exceptional under full load!
Wow this is amazing, I have recently moved to a PC from a imac and its so much better and hella cheaper. I do miss the design though and the wow feeling of opening a mac
They don't have to. Reminds me of certain automobile lines. People will continue to pay a premium for brand recognition regardless of current performance. Apple was great a decade ago. Not so much now.
They actually could get their act together, Linus pointed it out that their design philosophy with the iPhone performance is drastically different than their PC/Laptop performance philosophy. This would mean that they would have to take a cut to their profit margin on those devices. The bigger issue is that Apple Fanbois wont admit that something apple makes a isn't perfect and isn't a gift from the apple gods.
Simply...looks and style are Apple's priorities for their computer products. Marketing drives its engineering decisions to a greater degree than other companies.
All my mac customers were the same, sandals and pointy beards. They were exclusively writers, graphic designers and musicians usually driving an old saab or a volvo that they swore was magically swedish and incapable of breaking down.
Mac Book Pro. No usable ports (with out dongles), unable to use full processing power. the pro in mac book pro doesn't mean professional, it means profit.
4 thunderbolt 3 ports, which you're too stupid to understand is better. Literally like external PCIe facing you, and you're like, I wish this was a usb 3 a port. there is literally another comment about how their phone isn't good cause it doesn't have it. Mean while my pixels' usb C port can't even push video,. You fucking kids know nothing, it's incredible how stupid you are.
My macbook sounds like I am hardcore gaming when I only open like 2 chrome tabs. Edit: I never said i game on a macbook. i just said it sounds like it.
My MacBook sounds like it's ready to go to space when I use Photoshop or After Effects, it's insane. If only my job didn't require a freakin' Mac, I'd be in heaven.
@John Smith Yes, they do optimize for the hardware, but with intensive tasks, the thermal throttling still gets pretty bad. I use a Mac for live projection mapping and I'd rather have a gaming laptop or workstation any day. (But the software I like is Mac exclusive D: ) It does have stutter-free performance while doing things in the file manager or surfing the web, which is really what any non-Pro Mac is designed for anyway.
@Obi Dark That's not really true - and very over simplified. MacOS was not based on BSD until X. Windows was never based on UNIX - it was set on top of DOS (which they payed for) until MS got DEC and rights to NT. Torvalds didn't plagiarize (an academic term) UNIX, he ground up wrote a slimmed version of ULTRIX. And this pretty much all started before "open source" (late 90's) or even the "free" movement (early 80's) - except for NT of course.....that was supposed to be DEC's next step before the went belly up. The reason "we" can jail break phones so fast is the same reason an 8 year old can set the stations on a new car stereo without reading the manual - - paradigm. It has little to do with the "kernel". All of our tech generally follows a paradigm or archetype that savvy folks figure out - and can exploit. The host file, long momentary bridging, S3 state - even the symbol for the power button is part of a paradigm. As far as an OS that is optimized to take full advantage of hardware, AOS has been doing that in the 1970's. VMS was also doing it back in the day - when the hardware was the product of the system rather than vice versa.
Sometimes it is both. I've priced out some models of macs in the past if i built something comparable, and it wasn't even a competition. I work in a school system and the radio/tv program were diehard apple, but they had old IBM powerpc based mac pro's. I was talking to the teacher down there about replacing them with pc's considering their render times on 720p video was like 24 hours for a 5 minute video. The standard PC's we buy for most other programs that require more horsepower, would've blown their mind, and they run about $1300 per desktop. However they decided to instead get imacs, they went completely around me and asked the director of highschools about new macs, the tech director just ordered the based model imacs with the radeon discrete graphics added in. I have seen their render times since getting the new computers, they are not great. It is better than IBM power pc, but not what they could have had. We could ahve gotten 27" 4k monitors, and a slightly upgraded version of those $1300 dell precisions, and still been about $200 less than the $2200 imacs. I checked performance specs on the parts in both and it's not even close, the pc's would run away from them. In a sort of reverse scenario, our band director had an old plain jane dell optiplex he was running some marching band formation simulator software on. It was running okay but he wanted something better, so one of our techs saved back an extra dell precision workstation from a lab upgrade and swapped his computer out, big big upgrade for him, and the band software ran flawlessly on it. He claimed he wasn't happy though, even though our tech coudl see with his own eyes how well everything ran, so he begged for an imac. They ordered him a similarly priced, about $2200 imac, which proceeded to fall flat on it's face while running the band simulation software that a 6 year old run of the mill $500 optiplex was running.... The solution? He begged his way into getting a $3200 imac instead! The $3200 imac runs the band simulation about as well as the $1300 dell precision workstation. The $2200 imac went to the orchestra director who tried it out, and after a while decided he was going back to his $500 optiplex. In my opinion, $5400-1300 = $4100 wasted on apple shit. On a part direct part cost breakdown, I think I priced out parts when the new mac pro(trash can edition) came out, and it was about $600 more compared to equivalent hardware.
@@hzuiel Why didn't you ask Apple to completely disassemble their Macs, take away all the supplied software and offer the usual PC support, so you could make a real comparison?
Their horrendous engineering created this problem, and instead of addressing it by improving their cooling systems, building slightly thicker machines to deal with the increased heat, or using less powerful processerrs that the cooling system is better equipped for, they just said "fuck up, let's use our own shit".
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew It's not just an Apple problem though, basically every thin and light that has the old i7/i9 intel H/HK CPUs all throttle like mad. Apple's solution is just to dump Intel's horrible design and instead use their M1 chip instead.
The current Macbook Pro chasis was designed to eventually implement Intel’s 10nm chips. Apple clearly suffered a sunken cost of R&D and continued to use the same design with the hotter 14nm CPUs. Hopefully the 2020/2021 Macbook Pros are better thermally managed.
i installed manjaro deepin on an old laptop for my little sister because it looks like mac's desktop environment and she uses chrome the same as ever and all it cost was $20 for a new ssd. no regrets here
I've been in the ecosystem for 10+ years, mostly because I love the OS... but damn I cant keep justifying the fact that I can pay half the price for a PC that performs twice as good as a Mac.
Having worked in the video production industry for over 17 years, I have worked for several media houses where the owner is a "Mac Enthusiast." On of my favorite things to do is to bring my build from home and do some basic tasks many times faster than the MAC flavor of the year can even remotely hope to do, be it rendering video, working in after effects, or doing 3D modeling and animation in Cinema 4D. The owner usually ends up asking how much such a gem costs, and they usually call me a liar when in general I'm getting double to triple the mac performance for half the price, even with better components. The sad thing is. It never changes their mind. None of them have. They are all still in love with apple.
Yeah I work in the industry also. Your little story reeks of over exaggeration. Yes you can make a PC faster than a Mac these days. Of course you can because there's a gigantic market in selling teenagers a way to ruin their lives playing video games all day and all night. But that's not the whole story. If you have a client sitting next to you while you're working on a project, The system has got to be rock solid. Period. Not just fast. You can't afford to have embarrassing hiccups and the computer locking up from a crappy OS that's not very compatible with hundreds of different manufacturers of the hardware.. when you're working with a client. Rendering is nothing these days. It shouldn't even come into play for the system you're working on. When it's time for a render you just send it out to the render farm. A bank of Asic chips working in the other room. I work with professionals, not gotta be a pc fanboys. We utilize whatever works. Most efficiently, correctly and above all most consistently. We don't care whose name is on it. I think you naming Cinema 4D instead of Maya or Houdini pretty much tells the real story here. Cinema 4D is just a toy compared to what the pros use everyday. Its ok for motion graphics only. A good product for beginner students maybe.
@@KaneLono 1) Why so angry? 2) 17 years is a long time. And over that time I've had multiple instances of my story being the case. Render farms is certainly the solution these days, but wasn't really an option back in the days of my story, for you to assume otherwise is fine, but my experience is what it is, and is no exaggeration I can assure you. 3) Mac "stability" is a myth. I've had Mac's die just as often as PC's, and is a testament to more so hardware not so much the OS. Ever since the mid to late 2000's MAC ad PC run off the same basic PowerPC architecture, and are both serviced typically by intel boards and chipsets. Apple does not manufacture their own parts anymore, and thus they are at the mercy of the kind of stability issues you describe. It lends me to think that maybe you are not as familiar with the tech, are in fact an apple fanboy due to your claims, and for some reason foolish enough to bring clients to sit right next to you while you work. I'd recommend against that as much as possible. Had a Kellogs contract one time where my media house neglected to specify in contract limitations on iterations and deliverables, and I had someone sitting behind me from Kellogs for almost 3-4 months constantly questioning everything I did. It was terrible, and certainly impacted the projects negatively. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe just caught you on a bad day. In either case, assumption is the mother of all f**ups, and maybe don't do that as much. 4) Fact: Had a Mac PRO "trashcan" back in 2015 with a 1TB harddrive that cost $6,000. The SSD hard drive and one of the two GPU's both died twice in the subsequent 4 years I worked there and could barely handle 3D modeling and animation in Maya and C4D. I built a PC at the time that was $3,300 that had twice the horsepower, and has never had a dead SSD or fried GPU. Coincidence? More than likely, I hardly blame the MAC for the hardware issues. But for the price it's inexcusable, and that was the point of my previous statement which you neglected to mention.
I prefer Macs because no other laptop manufacturer makes a screen as colour accurate as a Mac. And I do photography so a dual core is more than enough for what im using it for. I laugh at PC people who come along and tell me I could have a much faster device for the same money. Sure but id give up the screen, the operating system, the software and basically all my advantages so I can have a faster CPU I dont need.
@@scubasausage Your use case is actually Apples target for the macbook pro. And I completely agree that if you want a high density screen that doesn't need to be calibrated in order to get great color accuracy, a mac laptop would be fantastic for that. The price is also not to far from other windows based laptops, though you would need to sacrifice a little performance to be competitive on the price difference if someone wanted to go down that path in comparison, it's not needed for what you do. Laptops is currently an area that Apple can stay competitive in and the price/performance is not as drastically differential. However, the more modular in design laptops become, the more I believe this price/performance gap will change in PC's favor. That and more and more manufacturers are attempting to be more focused on color accuracy in order to stay competitive. All in all, I'm glad to see that competition, but would definitely say that you made a good choice when it came to your work flow and needs.
Wolf Edmunds I’m quite honestly confused about these comments. I have a 2018 MacBook Pro 15 inch I7 and admittedly it does run hot under heavy loads but it does have a fan. Are there some models without a fan, or is it a meme and I’m just oblivious?
I've been saying for years that Apple would do well to make the MBP a little bit thicker in order to fit better cooling in there. It's a computer not a Victoria's Secret model, it doesn't have to be super thin!
Mac is not a computer. It's a fashion item and as a fashion item (like bracelet) it needs to look good. After all the performance and features were always shit.
Neal Miskin I’m in the same boat, I’ve actually wanted a MAC for years, but refuse to pay the apple tax just so they can blow half of their R&D budget on a computer that’s 2mm thinner and 11 grams lighter than last years model but can’t even render a fucking 13 poly object without throttling. I haven’t met a single die hard Mac fan that’s tech savvy, so it’s obvious who their user base is.
Ziomalisty that is gross lie with 1% truth (macs are fashionable is a true statement). I own a few PCs and an Android phone so I'm not an Apple sheep but you do have to give Apple credit where credit is due.
Clearly, looking back, it was the difference between the running hot intel chips, and the newer m1 and M1x chips that would come out over the next 2 years. They were already building chips to work in the sleeker MacBook design.
We have a 2012 MacBook Air that had to be repaired because THE ENTIRE FREAKING MOTHERBOARD MELTED!!! Thankfully, it was 2 months under warranty, so we were able to get it repaired for free. It happened because we were coding and compiling a game on it with the screen closed. It works to this day, and we haven’t needed to replace it since. Edit: Added ENTIRE
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I've tried to explain thermal throttling to my bosses and coworkers when they thought it better to buy laptops instead of desktops for our work. We use CPU intensive engineering software. The general public - even somewhat tech savvy people - don't have a clue about thermal throttling. The see i7 on laptop specs and think same as desktop i7. The PC companies also push a misleading narrative.
Who runs the IT department?
that's just capitalism for you
i sell computers and have to explain that to people every day.
@@oldfag_adventures Truth. Built to break. All profit driven
It's not only thermal throttling, but a laptop core i7 7700hq is slower than a desktop core i7 2700k from 2011, of course it has vastly improved now, a laptop core i9 9880h has about the same performance as a core i7 6700k from 2015
How can you expect an apple product with decent cooling. The guy's name is literally Cook smh
Lol you just roasted all their products. Oh wait, they are burnt already
Jesse Lioce LMAO
No its Apple smh
Wasn’t his name APPLE?
@@matteo3959 I believe it was Macintosh
Linus: your iphones don't overheat, your macbook do. Get a better cooling solution for mackbooks.
Apple: *puts iphone chips into macbooks*
Big brain
I mean it works
Also Apple: Apple M1 is faster than a Mac that thermal throttles
@@marcallerheiligen2644 the benchmarks actually beat/on par than the mobile intel ones
@@klaydi5840 To be fair, Intel is like 2 or 3 generations behind in fab technology (5nm compared to 14nm or 10nm). You can see the difference of going to a smaller node in Ryzen 1000 to Ryzen 3000, it's massive. Of course, the M1 is still impressive, but they didn't beat intel THAT badly when you consider that they should get some of that lead back as they close the technological gap.
M1 to intel “looks like you’ve got a fever, we’re going to have to isolate you”
Intel to m1 . Dont be a liar 5nm child
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Intel i9 and thread reaper is superior
*M1 max from behind to M1:That's MY boy
@@styx8383 Ah yes, something eating 300+ watts is superior to something only using 30 watts.
@@doggo_woo that's not even true
9:47
"A slower CPU that doesn't throttle is not slower than a faster one that does."
Well put!!!
Exactly how it is.
The way this is worded is confusing to me. Is he saying Slower CPU without throttling > Faster CPU with throttling?
Yes, if the faster cpu throttles down a speed which is slower than the ‘slow’ cpu
Well put? Terribly put you mean. The wording here is awful and very counterproductive in getting the point across.
@@DH-rq7gw slower and faster is easier to say than the correct terms of less powerful and more powerful.
I work selling cellphones and imo they don't tolerate it in their iPhones because from my anecdotal experience people expect computers to lag but have meltdowns the second their phone hiccups once.
I totally agree.
I'm the same way. If my pc lags I'll just let it go for a bit and fix it, but if my old android phones ever lagged I lost my shit. I think it's cause you can usually deal with your computer being out for a couple minutes doing a task, but I need my phone to work 100% for all tasks
I think they just have different departments, apple is huge and their projects compete with eachother. iPhones make up almost 70% of apples revenue. Of course they are going to have a bigger overhead and qa. Not to mention apple builds their cpus on site, and does not use other manufacturers cpu's for their iPhones. Macs have died out, it is easier to use premiere on a well cooled, similarly equipped machine, with faster render times. The only reason I see to use a mac is day to day use (web, emails, ect.) and macos specific applications. (swift)
Very very good point, and connection there. Huh
If I knew how to program I would make a lag app to troll cell phone users.
When 'le marketing' has been the answer for nearly 50 years.
When yhey started not really. But now the iPhones have 4gb ram vs samsungs 16
@@acehindiephoto and it always will be if you keep believing them for what-ever-fucking-reason
The marketing team of Apple really know their craft
@@acehindiephoto Good luck optimizing RAM usage when you're trying to run more than three apps at the same time.
You are very right!
I like Linus for the fact that he knows what he speaks. A real tech reviewer. It's just funny to see people following some other reviewer who just explains about the looks and feels of the products.
Those people say Linus is a joke for "not talking about the looks and feels" like bruh. No one gives a fuck about how it looks.
Looks and feels of the products. Ah yes, advertisers.
@@Wireball ijustine and unbox therapy
@@tomikun8057 you have no clue wtf you're talking about. The average consumer does not give 2 shits if their system is 5% faster or not.. hell.. the average Joe doesn't even know what a processor is.. they do however care about how it looks and the build quality etc..
@@ciri151
they will care if they know their pc will die easily.
This winter I'm dumping all my room heaters and replacing it with the Macs. A heater that can play audio and internet must be a well worth.
For real though: My upstairs office gets super cold. Thankfully, I can just fire up my old 2013 iMac and the whole room will be warned up in no time at all.
that must be expensive af
It's not a good deal
Running hot and putting out a lot of heat are not the same thing. If you put a better cooler on a processor, it will actually put out more heat.
Smart heater
I'm sure they did market testing and people "don't like it when the fans get loud".
So what you're saying there is that Apple consumers drove Apple to make an inferior product. Resulting in said consumers ability to buy a new machine more often due to improper cooling. Glad I'm in the Microsoft camp. Especially since my PC which was originally designed for Window XP is currently using Window 7. And I might add performing at peak performance.
@@savthmaall go Linux and start flying
I actually read somewhere that anti-cooling philosophy for macs comes from Steve Jobs
@@savthmaall yep they couldn't find water if we pushed them off a boat.
well you could always just make the heatsink bigger but i guess that creates an other problem what apple fans would not like
Apple Technicians: ok, now let’s look at the cooling. What cooler should we use?
Tim Cook: *o v e n*
Apple: none
Tim C O O K
the clue is in the name
and he's comparing it to one of the best Noctua air coolers on the market
SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT
His name is Tim Apple
Everyone: I cant wait to be able to afford a proper gaming PC
Linus: Proceeds to M E L T a $500 motherboard for b-roll
"RAM is so expensive right now."
Linus: "Look, we have a PC with 512GB of RAM!"
well I dont think that was just for b roll, Im guessing that was a clip from an older video they did
I worked at Apple for three years. I met maybe three people that actually gave a shit about performance. They cared about the aesthetics, stability and simplicity.
Linus doesn't know about Macs being very dependent on turbo boost. So it's usually not great for tests since it's constantly turbo boosting.
Burnsy CEO define good product.
@Kamal Kristipati umm no many get to have finalcut pro which is really optimized and many use them because of color accurate displays. I guess many just like the apple experience too.
@Kamal Kristipati ummm sorry alot of those creatives have converted back to windows fyi.
@Kamal Kristipati yeh specs dont matter when apple cant do what competitions does but apple claims about neural engines taptic engines and more sh1t because they know kids are so gullible
"A slower CPU that doesn't throttle is not slower than a faster one that does."
-Linus Gabriel Sebastian
Except in most use cases it is.
@Hunter zone Turbo Boost on light loads may peak higher on faster CPU
Everything - gaming and rendering.
@Hunter zone False, and anyone who could afford it. As Linus mentions in this video 6:06 drawing a web page is faster, launching an ap, almost everything is faster.
@Hunter zone Why does linus say it will? 6:05
-More power.-
-More performance.-
-More pro.-
More dongles.
Don't forget
More Dollars
@@eastlondonhustler less for apple fans
Pay more for less
I disagree. They do live up to their innovation standard. They can innovate, go several generation ahead in technology, and amaze people on both apple haters and apple lovers to get more money for less
@@giovannyc.1724 they can, but with the mac pro they sure didnt
Apple heard you, Linus.
Not really. They still stay at 95-100C which is the same for longevity and who is to say they aren't still leaving performance on the table? I mean they still have minimal cooling (literally none on the air).
They have better performance because of a better chip, Apple did nothing Linus suggested.
@@josephgood2704 well technically they wanted to make it fanless but if they used thermal pads to literally almost fix the issue they would be breaking restrictions which keep you from making a laptop with a hot bottom and would be forced to revise the MacBook before it even gets sold
@@josephgood2704 9:40 He talked a little bit about why Apple didn’t put processors better for the form factor they’re creating. Also at 6:56 talked about the iPhone performance in comparison to androids, probably referring to the efficiency they have. And says “Why this difference in philosophy?” And they’ve fixed it with M1
This was some of the best written content in years on this channel. Very good technical analysis!
They hired some big gun on the script
@ how so?
Watching this in 4K on my MacBook Pro made it thermal throttle lol.
ergosteur how? MacBook Pro’s don’t have a resolution of 4k
@@bayo2001 External display
@joshua broughton-herrick yeah this too
can i have like $20 lol
XD so funny hilarious and original
Everybody knows that a Macbook only works well in the gentrified air of a Starbucks coffeeshop.
Uhhh stop embarrassing yourself.
ahhh it's like i can smell everyone's rent go up
Alan That’s not a whoosh... don’t reference the subreddit if you don’t understand it.
@LackHapeLuis Get outta here Mac fanboy. OP is right on this one.
The music at Starbucks is so horrible lately that even with headphones on it makes me want to rip out all the hair on my body on my bare hands. It doesn't help that every Starbucks also has the music jacked up to 11 which is apparently the default Starbucks speaker volume. They used to play a lot of old-school R&B, 60s/70s funk, and 80s "new wave", now it's an endless loop of overly sensitive lesbian singer-songwriters and really, really white guys singing Marvin Gaye songs. I haven't been to a Starbucks in months...
This is deep yet true
new MacBook 2020: am I joke to you?
Those last few sentences are awesome. But they are headed into a direction more suitable to their users with apple silicon. Less powerful overall but more efficient for specific tasks, less heat, less noise, less power consumption. As much as I hate apple I gotta give em some credit.
lol comment fail no likes on this video.
@@straat9066 i think it’s more powerfull AND more efficient.
@@squdardt.9719 Well you can think that but it's a matter of fact. They aren't going to be using those m1 chips for computational science or for enterprise. They are more suitable for low demanding tasks and light/tight hardware.
Don't worry Linus I only use my Mac book in my freezer, it helps me hit 30 fps in csgo.
Really? Dam that sucks
@@apestogetherstrong341 lol
@@yobb1n544 don't share my secret
@@apestogetherstrong341 he was just jokin bud
@@apestogetherstrong341 r/woosh you, he wasn't serious idiot!
Came for the clickbait title, stayed for a well-reasoned argument.
Personally I was a bit surprised he usually isnt so critical of big names
But the title wasn’t clickbait. It was pretty much saying exactly what the entire video was about without.
Ikr solid arguments and the salty mac users still disliked the vid
Justin Barrington-Higgs ur comment is the clickbait
@@seb06_7 I'm a Mac user and what he said is pretty much the thoughts of anyone who has been following the failure of the Macbook Pro line to accommodate Intel spinning its wheels at 14nm.
I bought a Macbook Pro just to have the most expensive barbecue grill in the neighborhood.
macbook pro trash tho
You got it
@@yeyeohkillem What??? It's excellent for grilling!
Lol me took I went to Apple.
And I showed them how it heat up 😂🤣
The manager wasn't able to explain when I told him I'm still checking how to fill the consumer protection form is that by saying it's a laptop, heater or a grill.
He took it and refunded me even after 2 months from the purchase 😂
@@28Justchecking sounds like u sir are a WINNER
linus: rips into apple...
immediately after: HOW TO HIDE YOUR IP...
What
in Dev. lab : What cooler should we use
tim cook: *NO*
Tim Cook: Coolers? that's redundant! Our products are the coolest * sunglasses on and won't be fooled again plays in the background *
Dev. lab **ADDS COOLER**
Tim Cook: You weren’t supposed to do that
wasnt his name tim apple? SMH ur so dumb
Just use Linux. Can be used on pretty much any hardware and is massively growing.
That actually happened with Steve Jobs and the Apple III, contributing to the computer's failure.
Gonna be waiting for that Tim Apple Interview video now, Linus
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wrong. My 12inch MacBook is a lot faster than my gaming PC
When I throw it across the room at 20m/s
thats a good one mate
It's exactly 72 km/h
Hold your fire, PC fans. Friend force.
Did not see that coming.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Watching this after the M1 and the 11th gen Intel puts some interesting perspective on things.
The 11th gen Intel Processors weren't that better than the last generation sadly, but yeah
5:56 unrealistic. No Apple user would ever cover up the Apple logo 😂
Rishee Sharma i did. and will still do. 😂
One of my programmer buddies at work covered his up with a windows logo after his boss denied him a less expensive pc that would have allowed him to do his work better and got him a Mac instead. Works for a great hand warmer though if the building ever gets chilly.
true, every iphone case seems to have a hole in it just for the logo
I would if I ever decide to buy one, I mean you pay for that and then you advertise their product for free? nah as my marketing teacher says companies should pay you for all the free plublicity you give them by being basically a walking ad carrying their brands around.
@@BombaJead But then again, how would you know who you should avoid talking to if you can't see the logo?
_This comment was typed on a Windows PC_
The footage of the blowtorch frying the motherboard was painful to watch
It was already broken lol
Lets Hope we can have Trump Censor these Video Games from getting more Stupid everyday I’m not hating on Linus but what the heck is happening to this Generation of Idiots more... People are becoming Lazy everyday and not caring what happens to their life they act like there is no meaning how to spend their life but play video games until the end !!! The New Generation are a disgrace to America. Trump 2020
Pranav Bains Just trying to get the message out there man we are being Censored for Supporting Trump its crap
@@sonicdie1 so your saying the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force are lazy? Each and every brach uses video games (simulators) for training...
@@sonicdie1 dude you have a video on how to fix a DS... And are bitching about gamers...
Who is here after the new M1 Macs
yo
The Ryzen 9 5950x is still faster than the M1
@@joshstruble1752 No shit, it's like comparing a Semi to a car in towing capabilities...
proofing that Linus is completely on point
Linus said he don't have answer , i thought he is smart to say that's what Apple is going to do they will make it own chip
10:20 Linus: "There's nothing magical"
But there IS! it's magical how many people are still buying these
It's because MacOS is about a decade ahead of any other OS's user experience. I switched from Gentoo even.
@@MisakaMikotoDesu Yeah - so far ahead that it has .. oh right, no new features, lacks features others have had for a decade, and oh right - actually has the worst security but just hardly any viruses cause hackers don't even bother for such a tiny minority.
@@ABaumstumpf I'm sorry you're a fanboy. I've used Windows, Linux and MacOS about as long as any of the others. I also use FreeBSD on my VPS and home server. I still use Windows (unfortunately) on my gaming PC. MacOS is the best to use as a daily driver desktop OS out of all of them, no competition.
@@MisakaMikotoDesu there's no way to determine which UI is objectively best. usually its what you grew up with using or you get used to it due to work. people buy these things because they have conservative good looks and are a status symbol
@@MisakaMikotoDesu Hey Dogshit company product user. This amazing guy, Linus is literally talking about thermal throttles and cooling systems. Not using your dumb ass product to watch Dora the explorer. Did you even watch the video Dogshit company product user? The guy above definitely did since it's the subject of the video anyways.
The only Mac I'll ever buy in my life comes with cheese.
First you grate it then you bake it
That why mac want to use ARM like iphone. Now i knew they want to design software rather optimize hardware (other than mobile hardware), because trends and profit margin
Thats soo underrated
The Mac Pro then
Bruh, that just made my day 25% better 🤣🤣
I'd be interested to see a Mac Mini transferred to a PC case with proper cooling to see how it performs VS stock.
if the CHILL BOX results are replicable, I guess at least 25% higher.
Snazzy labs did a hackintosh that was actually smaller than the Mac mini and performed better than the Apple Mac mini. It’s on his channel from several months ago.
@@pinocatozzo Yes the giant "chill box" made my Linus using refrigeration parts is similar to a $30 PC case's couple of fans.
@@TexMex421 obviously the air would be way less cold but the parts would not be enclosed in a tiny box, sooo... :)
@@pinocatozzo Yes a tiny metal box that radiates heat, and has a cooling fan and heat pipes inside. so... It's too bad Linus does not own a PC he could do a test with. But he does own a "chill box" so that is just as good.
7:35 turns out they'd rather solve this problem by channeling their r&d money and workforce to their own M1 chip rather than fixing Intel's failures.
Turns out their increase their profit margins by pocketing the money themselves then sharing some of the profit with Intel
lol I would too, intel was shit out of luck back in 2016 they should've did better
@@todortodorov940 nah intels just been shit lately
100th like
Intel sucks. But, Apple also sucks for doing this to their customers.
I guess you can say....
Tim just want some laptops to "Cook"
🙄😂
Best joke 2019 ever
Jakub M Some Tims just wanna see the world Cook
i really wanna slap you right now
Hell yea
The answer is pretty simple, the mobile department and the computer department are completely split.
Sure, but that doesn't really explain why the company has such different design philosophies for their flagship products. It's honestly a bit shocking.
@@marcleblanc3225 Its because they design their own processors for the iPhones, and are using Intel for the Laptops.
It's actually sad but I can understand it. The iphone is simply a more popular product compared to macs. Macs used to be their biggest focus many years ago before the iphone, now it gets barely any attention from them. You often see how they release new versions without bothering to throw an event or announcement, just put it up on the web and not give a shit. Not to mention some stupid design choices (keyboard and thermal in particular) they did with their MBP lineup.
maybe equipment supplier wasn't honest with Apple, like for example if Intel wrote in their datasheet that their CPU can operate up to 95 degree Celsius it contradict with common sense of PC enthusiast that it should be lower than that.
But that doesn't really work either.
If Apple are ok with outting in high spec chips and having them throttle, they could just make a higher spec chip for the iPhone qnd have it throttle.
I do think Linus touched on the reason though, Apple market to less tech-savvy rech users. It's really easy for someone to gloat about their i7 MacBook and hiw it has a better CPU than someone elses noteboot with another Intel chip (even if they are wrong), but when it comes to phone hardware, almost no one has any clue at all. So, since Apple make their own, they simpme make their chios 'just good enough' and leave it at that, knowing no one in their target market will directly compare their hardware to Samsungs, and if any non-Apple fanboi TH-camrs try, it will go over the heads of both Apple users and most non-Apple users.
TL;DR, Apple don't use the internals of iPhones for marketing, but do use the internals of their laptop and desktop lines to a limited degree.
"I buy Apple computers for their performance" said nobody ever.
Their Phones duh. Their performance is awesome
@@arkhalis3682 That's why I said "computers." I agree: Apple phones=amazing
@@leafbelly sorry. Didn't see that there. I swear i (wrongly) saw the word 'products" instead of 'computers' lmao 😅
@@arkhalis3682 No problem. I do that all the time (and, I'm an editor for a living. lol)
@@arkhalis3682 too bad they lack real utility.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out with the ARM machines.
"I buy mac cause it's so good for creative work"
Me: *Laughs in rendering time*
Me: laughs in south pole
Optimization no matter how much you fucks wine like a bitch macs are better optimized. I only use pc for gaming or extra work when mac is bg. I prefer both for different reasons you are all clowns.
@@monbjra 'optimized' for what? looking good? Because they are certainly not optimized for performance.
@@methanbreather optimized for making money off of (not to say dumb) uninformed people
@@monbjra So what you're saying is. If you don't know how to build a PC optimized for what you need it for, apple is better? There are PC builders out there who can deliver a complete system, the same way Apple does.
There are literally no professional fields where Apple has an edge. All the programs you need to work professionally on a PC are more plentiful and versatile than the Apple counterparts.
Linus: "You cant avoid laws of physics"
Apple Engineers: "What is physics?"
Lol Apple's engineers are smarter than you could ever hope to be.
@@sasca854 Well, not really. Since Linus made clear crystal, they think they're smart, but only fools believe in apple products.
do u mean apple only knows law not physics? oh yeah... off course they know how to make profit on that one.
Apple fanboys are the worst kind of fanboys. Even with FACTS in front of their faces they cant accept the reality. Its easier to make personal attacks. If you cant understand what linus just said in here, you deserved to be the idiot you are.
Keep buying your defective apple shit, its made exacly for morons like you.
@alysdexia Sure, just focus on that, i was on mobile and typed fast. But hey, if you like the crap apple make, its cool. Its your money that youre wasting, not mine.
You should do a LTT vs LTT employee 5-person competition, where they have 1 day to come up with a solution to cool the Macbook and whoever has the best price-to-performance solution (noise counts) wins.
The solution is to not turn it on. No power = no heating.
Should exclude thermal place replacement or both sides should be allowed to use the same thermal paste.
@@1_GigaWaffle hehehe
Scrapyard Wars - Mac Edition
Linus will take the bloweematron then (don't remember how to spell it)
My theory is that Apple has been planning on releasing ARM based systems for far longer than it initially appears. I think they were purposefully treating their Intel systems like this, not to fool consumers, but to make their Silicon chips look even better than they otherwise would be without gimping the performance of the Intel systems
That's so wrong and shaddy... That's apple alright
Thin/light
High performance
Long battery life
Pick 2
@Aidan NO !!
i just thumbed up for your dp
Your dp is 🔥
MWB Gaming 2 and 3
@@jamesbuckwas6575 I would love to have 2 and 3 at the same time, but that requires companies to install larger batteries in their devices, the problem is that they don't want to go above the 60wh-80wh standard for some reason, and for another unknown reason, they won't give us removable batteries anymore
2.3k Macbook users disliked the video because the thermal throttle made them think the video was published with 20% dropped frames
And they don't have a 21/9 ratio screen...
chucku00 this video is in 18/9 wdym?
@@Ximme My bad, you're right. But I still don't know any Apple screen with a 18/9 ratio.
chucku00 yes that's true, the new iphones are something between 18/9 and 21/9.
@@Ximme iPhones aren't MacBooks.
Your last sentence.. "They simply can't ignore the laws of Physics".... They actually tried to ignore and the AirPower fiasco happened.
That wasn't impossible, but it would cost too much to be viable.
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem Nah the reason why they canceled Airpower is that it is actually impossible with our current technology, as it's impossible to put that many wireless charging coils together without generating an absurd amount of heat and creating a Note 7 version wireless charging mat. So yeah, Apple did attempt to ignore the laws of physics for a second time.
@@danielhu6485 They could have used exotic materials for the induction coils, a lower resistance conductor would generate less heat. Thus, costs too much to be viable. The tech is pretty straightforward.
@@chetanaik Exotic materials such as?? Copper, the material they were going to use, already has a really small resistance, so I doubt that there is a CURRENT material that could actually work. Sure, in the FUTURE, they could probably get the tech to work, but right now I simply don't think its possible to mass-produce an AirPower product.
@@danielhu6485 Silver for instance is a better conductor than copper. Very expensive true, but very easy to produce and manufacture. There's also the possibility of special thermally conductive (but electrically non conductive) materials being used to dissipate heat over a larger area.
You could also implement an active cooling system, as resistance does increase with temperature. This would probably not meet apple 'slickness' guidelines though.
The heat dissipation is easily done, but it's not really worth the price or the effort for something so inane.
Edit: "easily" done is an exaggeration, but yes can be done
I told my friend when he bought his Apple that it was a "good looking" computer.
hahaha
Yeah that's what everyone (including me) says to people they like and don't want to offend them😂
Apple technicians - how slim do you want an i9 laptop to be...
Tim Cook - Y E S
Not completely true, I think it's more like
Apple Marketing - how much slim do you want an i9 laptop to be
Tim Cook - Yes
Apple technicians - But...
Tim Cook - I SAID YES.
Man can you explain what you mean by the statement its everywhere on internet
@@1972LittleC
Or more like
Design team - how slim do you want an i9 MacBook Pro to be?
Tim Cook - Yes
Apple Technicians - But...
Tim Cook - I said YES
Apple Technicians - But Sir!!!???
Tim Cook - *swearing* when I fucking say yes, I don't fucking change my mind.
Apple Technicians - But Sir, AirPower...
Tim Cook - You're fired!!!
Apple Technicians - You mean me?
Tim Cook - The whole technical department. You're all fired. Rip it up, we start from scratch. Fuck! 😫
th-cam.com/video/XV5eGNe81us/w-d-xo.html
Tim Apple*
Apple: _I'm gonna pretend I didn't see this_
Apple: Reparing ? DOESNT EXIST
@Mekashin Reddy Thanks!
@@Xenoray1exits for only 1 million dollars :)
Lmfao
@@TheTrueJaolu why the hate on the workers?
Apple: We're gonna advertising the laws of thermodynamics away.
“We’re gonna advertising” - The Wanderer 2020
@@meme-ville lol
Grammer 💯
@@saturniunyttech679 don't be a grammar nazi.Everyone makes mistakes
storm fall grammar 💯
Love how half the price of "comparable specs" is in the monitor.
It’s a single panel 5K display - 4x 1440p and around 2x 4K. Definitely going to be expensive.
It makes sense though
When the marketing people tell the engineers how to make a good product. This happens..
and the bean counters got greedy listening to marketing.
Im sure they are selling more products this way because most of their customers just want an apple product that looks good and works
@@GreenDayGA except they look good and dont work.
And its not like other companies make ugly laptops either.
GreenDayGA and don’t forget: they won’t buy a half inch laptop anymore these days.
@@GreenDayGA that kind of business practices won't work on the long term.
all of you guys made a solid point though.
Let me guess
if the temperature is high my mac dies faster and I will have to get a replacement.
or a logic board replacement, which costs... gimme one sec, checking their repair prices.. ooh that unibody design means they're going to have to replace the entire non-display underbody.. uh nvm just get a new one
Even after those discussions about thermal throttling, be them true or false, Macs still have a longer shelf life (on average) than PCs, and retain their value longer. No matter your next excuse.
@@Simboiss if it looks, smells, and tastes like bullshit well you know. And that is exactly what YOU fanboy are spitting out.
So, Thomas, when people disagree with you, they are fanboys? Imagine in real life, what kind of implications this would have.
@@elck3 I replaced the mainboard on my Thinkpad last week with one I got on eBay from China for less than $100 lol
Imagine buying a tool such as a computer, mainly... based on how it looks. Oooh that hammer has no nail puller. But it looks nice. Buys....
Actually if you are in a business sector and working with other companies and clients it can be really important. I personally use macbook mainly because of its OS, and spend probably 70% of the time on macbook and 30% on windows based computer
@@5ica Important as a status symbol or what? Most businesses run Windows machines
@@honkhonkler7732 I'm sure he's talking about like in meetings with other companies. It "shows" that your company has money
@@TheScrubmuffin69 if you know what you're doing with it and why you have it. Otherwise you look like a businessman ready to throw money at anything, production and budget aside.
Basicaly how women buy their things
Glad to hear that you mencion Louis Rossmann,that guy is an hero for a lot of people
I'm so happy you and Louis broke bread and are now regularly mentioning eachother on your channels. I've been a subscriber of his for ages and was so happy the first time you two collabed. It speaks to your character and lack of ego that you're able to benefit from eachother's knowledge and give the viewer a much more informative experience.
I just wish Linus would get rid of Riley at this point.
@@VaydaladaVodalada why Riley is funny..
@@VaydaladaVodalada Riley, no, Jake, Heck Yeah!!!!*
@@VaydaladaVodalada Any reason for that?
Actually channels on youtube collaborate in order to boost each others views/income. Still, both channels are great.
Hey Linus... Thanks for the constantly amazing content...
I am a dinosaur... 75 years old with a long career supporting IBM and compatible mainframes.
An old piece of mainframe lore... "All CPUS wait at the same speed"
Hey... It's true! So if your OS or multi-CPU workload did not manage the CPU usage well, then guess what..?
A runner that won't race is as fast as a runner that can't?
@@fred_e .....Actually....makes a point there.
Apple's agenda still is people who care about software should make their own hardware. Then I guess they should start making their own CPUs as well for PCs....
You are a dinosaur and your picture is of a cat 🐈
@@tejaspadhye Incase you haven't heard, they are moving away from Intel. Next year they'll use their own CPUs in their laptops.
Apple: We will squeeze an i9 in 1mm!
Laws of physics: hold my beer
Laws of physics: I’m about to end this man’s whole career.
Sad that this joke is incorrect but still got likes. Just edit it to what prime said
@@user-ou9yi5tg4e 'joke' is 'incorrect'. Name checks out.
@@PS3RatBag98 No, he's right. The joke makes no sense.
your usage of the meme is incorrect. Were the laws of physics to say "hold my beer" to the remark made by apple, then when apple created it's 1mm i9 chip, a much smaller i9 chip would have spontaneously generated somewhere in the universe as a response.
Please amend this mistake by committing unable-to-connect.
Watching this in 2022 hits so differently
*coughs* Apple Silicon *coughs*
I just wanted to watch this to see the new comments.
Mac! The best laptop experience!
(if you live in the polar regions)
I'm from Finland and I can approve! :D
Whatever pc people say, MaC is mac when u use it u never go back full stop!
@Mind Freshener okay coding for windows on Mac is not a good idea! but linux is. I used to program with android studio on Windows, as well as other programming languages, and made my life hell!!! so slow and way too much bugs while compiling, after using mac everything was fast, responsive and most importantly didn't waste my time fixing thing's that shouldn't haben in the first place, that was the point where i never looked back at windows. No matter how people hate Apple, they can't deny how efficient, responsive and seamless OS they have made!! it was made for you to work on it, not like windows running behind it's tale fixing each problem or problems after each crappy update that messes the whole thing!!
@Mind Freshener i have been using windows over 10 years and hesitated to try mac, i tried mac last year because of a college of mine, and dam i was blown away, trust me, it changed my life!!! most of pc user's don't try mac because it's expensive, and has few or no ports, but they forget to see the software side of the Mac, i am in computer science field and Mac OS has the best algorithms in this world! and by the way, u don't need any work around it, it works out of the box! And think about it time is money, and you should spend your time doing your creative work not running after pc fixing it like running after dog, that was my point. The more you get busy & productive in life, it's also worth spending in tech that makes your life much more productive, efficient, reliable and easier....
Untill they melt from global warming😫😫😫
Engineers : What cooler should we use
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Tim Apple : We don't do that here.
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Users : *_THERMAL THROTTLE_*
At apple, users are the coolers
Tim Cooks Cpus
I'm just here to read the battles in the comment section :)
@@unlokia he didn't get to know everyone, it was just a general analysis, but when did you get to a point where you know so much about him? what if he did get to know everyone, then what?
Why aren't Macs called PCs? Because they're not personal, and they don't compute.
Sameer
Fuck you.😉
Apple invented the comment section.
This answers all the questions I’ve asked myself about my MacBook Pro, apple isn’t a company to rely on, period.
You guys should pay someone to go to a keynote and shout WHAT ABOUT THERMAL THROTTLING because that would be v good content.
I'd volunteer!
That would be funny though how apple would react
He should send one of the "unknowns" in his staff just like he did with the pre built gaming PC series!
He should do it for the small PCs that throttle far worse than this. That would teach them!
@@DeputyNordburg ? Which ones? The PC market is very diverse some make good ones some make bad ones. Which PCs are you talking about?
Yet people keep arguing with me when I say i9 processor are not good in laptops. You need really good cooling to get top performance and laptops don’t have that unless they are 20 pounds.
20 pounds?
Where can I get such cheap laptop?
Are you talking about the weight or the price?
*looks at comments* And you wonder why people argue.
People are arguing with you because you are wrong. i9s are fine in most gaming "laptops" they are shit in macbooks. Try not to make an ass hat blanket statement and maybe people wont get so defensive.
@@GifCoDigital i think he said that i9 should be only in laptops which have better cooling which would weigh almost around 20 pounds, no sense in lugging around a 10kilo laptop is there?
Bang on. Cooling is important if you want performance!
Yeah
My son and I were in the Mac store in our local city, just looking around and we overheard one of the other customers saying; 'It's so shiny.' Just about sums it up really: THE MAC - A TRIUMPH OF DESIGN OVER FUNCTIONALITY.
Yes, Apple is a marketing company, not a tech company.
i live in Alaska, and my mac works perfectly well :)
Lol
Not any longer. Alaska seems to get warm. Is it because everyone there get macs?
Yeah, just have to make sure you use it outdoors. But it is very useful to make room warm too. :D
@@cipndale
It's not only getting warmer in Alaska, but everywhere :/
Macs need to be banned, globally!!!
@@PiPiTheLabra
I actually cooled my PC by opening the window in winter and dropping the room temperature to 12°C :P
The temps were exceptional under full load!
"When their computers fry, they'll have to buy NEW ONES! MWAHAHAHAHA!" --Cashgrab Cook
Bingo.
Exactly
And they'll buy Macs again because they don't want to be seen as "poor"
@@elhistoriero1227 in my eyes, you are only poor when your pc is slow or cooked ;) ask Tim.. he knows.
Well does anyone know whats going to happen in a few days
“They’re slim, they’re lightweight”
*shows the iMac G3*
In 2001, they are
Those G3 iMacs are thicc but they look stunning.
If you look at PCs from 2001 you would look at the Mac and say " Dammm that's a portable machine "
They are slim and lightweight during the time they released it, you can't compare devices today with something of the past.. 🤔
I’m pretty sure the guy was joking, not sure why all of you guys are taking this so serious lol
Wow this is amazing, I have recently moved to a PC from a imac and its so much better and hella cheaper. I do miss the design though and the wow feeling of opening a mac
I moved from an iPhone to an Android and know that feeling. I must say I'm much happier now.
@Eeshan Baheti I do have to say I wanna try out an M1 but I just got a Surface Studio so will have to wait a few years to upgrade
I'm so glad this is trending. I really hope apple feels the heat and gets their act together
They don't have to. Reminds me of certain automobile lines. People will continue to pay a premium for brand recognition regardless of current performance. Apple was great a decade ago. Not so much now.
They can't even if their life depended on it. Louis made a video about MacBook design flaws.
as long as there are idiots who buy into the hype this will never change.
They actually could get their act together, Linus pointed it out that their design philosophy with the iPhone performance is drastically different than their PC/Laptop performance philosophy. This would mean that they would have to take a cut to their profit margin on those devices. The bigger issue is that Apple Fanbois wont admit that something apple makes a isn't perfect and isn't a gift from the apple gods.
People will buy anything if they can!!!
Now for only 999!!! The new bacon cooking plate; MacBook Pro.
iRasher, the ONLY IoT bacon rasher that keeps track of your grease in real time!
If i am gone buy mac i will use i muvie or final cut pro but if I want to use premier I will never buy apple.
more like 4999
999, must be on sale
@@TehComs that prize goes to the Razer blade
The old Linus is back, literrally.^^
Me watching this when the M1 macs are out well this is the exact opposite now 😂
Yeah i was wondering that haha. Hopefully they do a follow up
This video is so old like 9 months ago so why did they take that long to do that????
@@NotTured 9 months ago? This was over 2 years ago.
@@Maciek2846 yea sure
@@NotTured 2021 - 2019 = 2
And also this was posted in April 2019. If you think that was 9 months ago then you probably can’t count properly.
Simply...looks and style are Apple's priorities for their computer products. Marketing drives its engineering decisions to a greater degree than other companies.
Steve Jobs gave an interview in 1996 about how/why this happens. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/-AxZofbMGpM/w-d-xo.html
Nobody: I wanna fry eggs on my macs
Apple: Say no more fam!
Alexander Nilsson What did he do? Put it in tinfoil or something? I’d imagine cheese on/in your HDD might not work out so well 😂
@@MrBl00 lol
"Say no more, fan!" also works
ah i remember the day when we did fry a lot of things on FX-series
I think they got it wrong its
More Heat
More Repairs
More Money for me
Meh, Apple tend to not repair their product... Just buy a new one...
Keep repairing, people who use these to develop software will be happier lol
But they got it right at more cash grabbing
you said us, you work at apple?
@@ThePotchika Honestly No I just got it wrong I'm gonna change it
All my mac customers were the same, sandals and pointy beards. They were exclusively writers, graphic designers and musicians usually driving an old saab or a volvo that they swore was magically swedish and incapable of breaking down.
Mac Book Pro. No usable ports (with out dongles), unable to use full processing power. the pro in mac book pro doesn't mean professional, it means profit.
4 thunderbolt 3 ports, which you're too stupid to understand is better. Literally like external PCIe facing you, and you're like, I wish this was a usb 3 a port. there is literally another comment about how their phone isn't good cause it doesn't have it. Mean while my pixels' usb C port can't even push video,. You fucking kids know nothing, it's incredible how stupid you are.
sseinnovationsgroup So accurate 😂😂
@@murphytheturtle8968 Apple sucks man! you know it... i know it... everyone knows it!
Sterling clearly you haven’t indulged yourself in any ecosystem, my fridge’s camera is still the best.
@@murphytheturtle8968 Holy fuck you're in every comment fanboying over apple
My macbook sounds like I am hardcore gaming when I only open like 2 chrome tabs.
Edit: I never said i game on a macbook. i just said it sounds like it.
In terms of cpu, nah. In terms of RAM, "Rev up those fryers!"
Heh, "gaming"
Why did you buy it then?
Chrome turns my MacBook into a space heater
My MacBook sounds like it's ready to go to space when I use Photoshop or After Effects, it's insane. If only my job didn't require a freakin' Mac, I'd be in heaven.
This is why I always say Macs have worse "price/performance," not "price/specs."
@John Smith Yes, they do optimize for the hardware, but with intensive tasks, the thermal throttling still gets pretty bad. I use a Mac for live projection mapping and I'd rather have a gaming laptop or workstation any day. (But the software I like is Mac exclusive D: ) It does have stutter-free performance while doing things in the file manager or surfing the web, which is really what any non-Pro Mac is designed for anyway.
Even that price comparison chart is only equal if you buy a new monitor, mouse & keyboard every time you buy a new PC.
@Obi Dark That's not really true - and very over simplified. MacOS was not based on BSD until X. Windows was never based on UNIX - it was set on top of DOS (which they payed for) until MS got DEC and rights to NT. Torvalds didn't plagiarize (an academic term) UNIX, he ground up wrote a slimmed version of ULTRIX. And this pretty much all started before "open source" (late 90's) or even the "free" movement (early 80's) - except for NT of course.....that was supposed to be DEC's next step before the went belly up. The reason "we" can jail break phones so fast is the same reason an 8 year old can set the stations on a new car stereo without reading the manual - - paradigm. It has little to do with the "kernel". All of our tech generally follows a paradigm or archetype that savvy folks figure out - and can exploit. The host file, long momentary bridging, S3 state - even the symbol for the power button is part of a paradigm. As far as an OS that is optimized to take full advantage of hardware, AOS has been doing that in the 1970's. VMS was also doing it back in the day - when the hardware was the product of the system rather than vice versa.
Sometimes it is both. I've priced out some models of macs in the past if i built something comparable, and it wasn't even a competition. I work in a school system and the radio/tv program were diehard apple, but they had old IBM powerpc based mac pro's. I was talking to the teacher down there about replacing them with pc's considering their render times on 720p video was like 24 hours for a 5 minute video. The standard PC's we buy for most other programs that require more horsepower, would've blown their mind, and they run about $1300 per desktop. However they decided to instead get imacs, they went completely around me and asked the director of highschools about new macs, the tech director just ordered the based model imacs with the radeon discrete graphics added in. I have seen their render times since getting the new computers, they are not great. It is better than IBM power pc, but not what they could have had. We could ahve gotten 27" 4k monitors, and a slightly upgraded version of those $1300 dell precisions, and still been about $200 less than the $2200 imacs. I checked performance specs on the parts in both and it's not even close, the pc's would run away from them.
In a sort of reverse scenario, our band director had an old plain jane dell optiplex he was running some marching band formation simulator software on. It was running okay but he wanted something better, so one of our techs saved back an extra dell precision workstation from a lab upgrade and swapped his computer out, big big upgrade for him, and the band software ran flawlessly on it. He claimed he wasn't happy though, even though our tech coudl see with his own eyes how well everything ran, so he begged for an imac. They ordered him a similarly priced, about $2200 imac, which proceeded to fall flat on it's face while running the band simulation software that a 6 year old run of the mill $500 optiplex was running.... The solution? He begged his way into getting a $3200 imac instead! The $3200 imac runs the band simulation about as well as the $1300 dell precision workstation. The $2200 imac went to the orchestra director who tried it out, and after a while decided he was going back to his $500 optiplex. In my opinion, $5400-1300 = $4100 wasted on apple shit.
On a part direct part cost breakdown, I think I priced out parts when the new mac pro(trash can edition) came out, and it was about $600 more compared to equivalent hardware.
@@hzuiel Why didn't you ask Apple to completely disassemble their Macs, take away all the supplied software and offer the usual PC support, so you could make a real comparison?
I believe M1 is Apple's answer for this video 😂😂
M1 still sucks
@@crabrangoon2493 it doesn’t 😂
@@rajat1960 well your locked for customisation and u have a shit graphics card in built into the procceser. With only 8gb ram max
Their horrendous engineering created this problem, and instead of addressing it by improving their cooling systems, building slightly thicker machines to deal with the increased heat, or using less powerful processerrs that the cooling system is better equipped for, they just said "fuck up, let's use our own shit".
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew It's not just an Apple problem though, basically every thin and light that has the old i7/i9 intel H/HK CPUs all throttle like mad. Apple's solution is just to dump Intel's horrible design and instead use their M1 chip instead.
The current Macbook Pro chasis was designed to eventually implement Intel’s 10nm chips. Apple clearly suffered a sunken cost of R&D and continued to use the same design with the hotter 14nm CPUs. Hopefully the 2020/2021 Macbook Pros are better thermally managed.
When Intel makes Core i11-i12? :D A11/A12?
Let’s wait for apple’s custom arm based MacBooks with
You’re awesome.
This is literally the reason I built a $5,000 Hackintosh. Switching to Manjaro 😅
how is it running? can you post your specs? congratulations btw ;)
Real men use Arch!
Inb4 all the _"use Arch"_ and _"uSe gEnToOoOo"_ comments start rolling in.
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i installed manjaro deepin on an old laptop for my little sister because it looks like mac's desktop environment and she uses chrome the same as ever and all it cost was $20 for a new ssd. no regrets here
I've been in the ecosystem for 10+ years, mostly because I love the OS... but damn I cant keep justifying the fact that I can pay half the price for a PC that performs twice as good as a Mac.
hackintosh
@@2muchofyou its not very legal though
To flex
@@davidmella1174 who gives a shit
@@RSainman apple
m1chips: let me introduce myself
Cad software: you are weak!
i got siked into buying it.... I HATE APPPPELLLLLL
I CANT RETURN IT BECAUSE ILL PAY TWICE THE PRICE
69 likes, Nice!
@@eltuhamyy not nice
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@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 😔
Having worked in the video production industry for over 17 years, I have worked for several media houses where the owner is a "Mac Enthusiast."
On of my favorite things to do is to bring my build from home and do some basic tasks many times faster than the MAC flavor of the year can even remotely hope to do, be it rendering video, working in after effects, or doing 3D modeling and animation in Cinema 4D.
The owner usually ends up asking how much such a gem costs, and they usually call me a liar when in general I'm getting double to triple the mac performance for half the price, even with better components.
The sad thing is. It never changes their mind. None of them have. They are all still in love with apple.
Yeah I work in the industry also. Your little story reeks of over exaggeration. Yes you can make a PC faster than a Mac these days. Of course you can because there's a gigantic market in selling teenagers a way to ruin their lives playing video games all day and all night. But that's not the whole story. If you have a client sitting next to you while you're working on a project, The system has got to be rock solid. Period. Not just fast. You can't afford to have embarrassing hiccups and the computer locking up from a crappy OS that's not very compatible with hundreds of different manufacturers of the hardware.. when you're working with a client. Rendering is nothing these days. It shouldn't even come into play for the system you're working on. When it's time for a render you just send it out to the render farm. A bank of Asic chips working in the other room. I work with professionals, not gotta be a pc fanboys.
We utilize whatever works. Most efficiently, correctly and above all most consistently. We don't care whose name is on it.
I think you naming Cinema 4D instead of Maya or Houdini pretty much tells the real story here. Cinema 4D is just a toy compared to what the pros use everyday. Its ok for motion graphics only.
A good product for beginner students maybe.
@@KaneLono 1) Why so angry?
2) 17 years is a long time. And over that time I've had multiple instances of my story being the case. Render farms is certainly the solution these days, but wasn't really an option back in the days of my story, for you to assume otherwise is fine, but my experience is what it is, and is no exaggeration I can assure you.
3) Mac "stability" is a myth. I've had Mac's die just as often as PC's, and is a testament to more so hardware not so much the OS. Ever since the mid to late 2000's MAC ad PC run off the same basic PowerPC architecture, and are both serviced typically by intel boards and chipsets. Apple does not manufacture their own parts anymore, and thus they are at the mercy of the kind of stability issues you describe. It lends me to think that maybe you are not as familiar with the tech, are in fact an apple fanboy due to your claims, and for some reason foolish enough to bring clients to sit right next to you while you work. I'd recommend against that as much as possible. Had a Kellogs contract one time where my media house neglected to specify in contract limitations on iterations and deliverables, and I had someone sitting behind me from Kellogs for almost 3-4 months constantly questioning everything I did. It was terrible, and certainly impacted the projects negatively.
Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe just caught you on a bad day. In either case, assumption is the mother of all f**ups, and maybe don't do that as much.
4) Fact: Had a Mac PRO "trashcan" back in 2015 with a 1TB harddrive that cost $6,000. The SSD hard drive and one of the two GPU's both died twice in the subsequent 4 years I worked there and could barely handle 3D modeling and animation in Maya and C4D. I built a PC at the time that was $3,300 that had twice the horsepower, and has never had a dead SSD or fried GPU.
Coincidence? More than likely, I hardly blame the MAC for the hardware issues. But for the price it's inexcusable, and that was the point of my previous statement which you neglected to mention.
I prefer Macs because no other laptop manufacturer makes a screen as colour accurate as a Mac. And I do photography so a dual core is more than enough for what im using it for. I laugh at PC people who come along and tell me I could have a much faster device for the same money. Sure but id give up the screen, the operating system, the software and basically all my advantages so I can have a faster CPU I dont need.
@@scubasausage Your use case is actually Apples target for the macbook pro. And I completely agree that if you want a high density screen that doesn't need to be calibrated in order to get great color accuracy, a mac laptop would be fantastic for that. The price is also not to far from other windows based laptops, though you would need to sacrifice a little performance to be competitive on the price difference if someone wanted to go down that path in comparison, it's not needed for what you do.
Laptops is currently an area that Apple can stay competitive in and the price/performance is not as drastically differential. However, the more modular in design laptops become, the more I believe this price/performance gap will change in PC's favor. That and more and more manufacturers are attempting to be more focused on color accuracy in order to stay competitive. All in all, I'm glad to see that competition, but would definitely say that you made a good choice when it came to your work flow and needs.
Well when there's a half decent operating system on your PC then maybe people will start listening to you.
7:40 That would be great. Tim Apple interviewed by Linus Linus Media Group.
LOL.
I'd like Louis Rossmann to interview Cook
@@sacha9314 Louis Rossmann? Is that the CEO of the German drugstore chain called Rossmann?
@@juschu85 you're funny 😅
PC fan-boys?
Better than Apple fan-less-boys!
Get it?
Cus, macs give up temperature regulation for quietness?
Ya just HAD tae ruin it!!!!
That was bad and you should feel bad.
Penis.
Bro delete this shit
Wolf Edmunds I’m quite honestly confused about these comments. I have a 2018 MacBook Pro 15 inch I7 and admittedly it does run hot under heavy loads but it does have a fan. Are there some models without a fan, or is it a meme and I’m just oblivious?
@@DrewskiTheLegend His pun / dig is that this macbook doesn't have "enough" fannage, so he coined it fan-less. Baddum tsh.
I'd love to see an update to this video with the latest generation Mac laptops
"MacBooks are FASTER than PCs, and i think you all know why"
Can't load this video.. I am watching on a mac..
youtube user me too
You;Can't load the video
Also you; writes comment.
Me 👏
@@ryusei9941 you:doesn't get the joke
Me:r/woooosh
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for some reason youtube always seems to have issues on safari... use chrome instead LOL
Dun Dun Dunnnnnnn!
How long till "thin" starts being considered "stupid" instead of "cool"? We're overdue!
Joshua Scholar true. I’d rather have thicker laptops / computer. I don’t want my leg to get burned by a laptop because my laptop won’t cool down.
Usb port thin is thin enough for me, any lower and you get compromised structural integrity
Can we admit that phones are already so thin that it's a drawback?
I have asus scar 2 rtx 2060 laptop,i can play games at high settings for 3 hrs but still the temperature hovers between 82-88°C.
There have been some of us who like it *_T H I C C_*
I've been saying for years that Apple would do well to make the MBP a little bit thicker in order to fit better cooling in there. It's a computer not a Victoria's Secret model, it doesn't have to be super thin!
Neal Miskin I’m hoping this is the year
Mac is not a computer. It's a fashion item and as a fashion item (like bracelet) it needs to look good. After all the performance and features were always shit.
Neal Miskin I’m in the same boat, I’ve actually wanted a MAC for years, but refuse to pay the apple tax just so they can blow half of their R&D budget on a computer that’s 2mm thinner and 11 grams lighter than last years model but can’t even render a fucking 13 poly object without throttling. I haven’t met a single die hard Mac fan that’s tech savvy, so it’s obvious who their user base is.
Ziomalisty that is gross lie with 1% truth (macs are fashionable is a true statement). I own a few PCs and an Android phone so I'm not an Apple sheep but you do have to give Apple credit where credit is due.
@@abmon243 Credit isn't due, though.
Clearly, looking back, it was the difference between the running hot intel chips, and the newer m1 and M1x chips that would come out over the next 2 years. They were already building chips to work in the sleeker MacBook design.
Omg I just realised there's been a vast improvement in the naming of videos! Much appreciated!
Karan Jagdish Yeah right
It would be a really cool project to see if you can make a better chassis (i can imagine how difficult that would be) and then test it.
Keeping the unit cool is all that matters and they did. That would just be a duplication of effort.
@@Hotobu Yeah I know, but when did they make a new chassis for a mac book pro?
Apple : we have put an i9 into a laptop even more thinner
laws of physics : i am a joke to you ?
Grammar 100
@@GamingComic123 English is not their first language, please don't be a grammar Nazi.
They totally could have put a G5 in a laptop! They let them run hot now so why not?
@@AdamosDad It's better that you get corrected so you learn from your mistakes.
This is beyond science.
We have a 2012 MacBook Air that had to be repaired because THE ENTIRE FREAKING MOTHERBOARD MELTED!!! Thankfully, it was 2 months under warranty, so we were able to get it repaired for free. It happened because we were coding and compiling a game on it with the screen closed. It works to this day, and we haven’t needed to replace it since.
Edit: Added ENTIRE
You know you don't need to mention what you edited in the comment.
Linus your honesty in reviews lately is admirable, keep it up and much respect to you!