Thank you so much for explaining it like this!!! I’m not the biggest fan of prongs and they are a last resort for me cause I like to train on different harnesses. (I’m one of the only trainers in my area) However, I love the way you acknowledge that it’s not the only way! I see so many people arguing about tools and such, when the tools themselves are such a small part of it. I trained my husky on a regular harness and we both have fun with it! I do let her pull to an extent cause well, she’s literally a sled dog, but I’m able to get her back when need be and she understands when she is and isn’t allowed to pull.
Just a tip you may want to recommend using a safety clip that clips from the inactive ring on the prong collar to your dogs collar. A friend recommended this to me and it probably saved my dogs life since if you don't put them on correctly they can pop off when you are giving a correction.
My dog has a positive association with her prong collar. She knows it means a walk! The trainer who fit ìt made the introduction positive as well. It keeps us both safer and we don't have to use it every time, either.
Gonna try again with the prong collar after removing one link. It wasn't overly large. But there was room to fine tune the length. The Martingale collar my new 2yo rescue (Border Collie mix) was beyond useless even though it was adjusted and installed correctly. She's got tremendous prey drive for squirrels and other dogs. She presently chokes herself with the Martingale and the prong. The prong collar has worked very well on my three previous dogs. I've been employing the stopping, extreme slowing, and numerous 180 direction changes to no avail thus far. I have a second rescue (6yo English Shepherd) who I've had for one year. I've taught him the mushing commands (Gee, Haw, Whoa, On by), so he's mostly a good influence. It's gonna take time for sure...and effort to do regular single dog-only walks with the BC mix. She's got loads of energy. I eventually intend to walk both dogs on a tandem leash (splitter) as I did successfully with my two previous dogs. Cheers
Just finally moved my collie to a prong collar. He took no correction from harnesses, flat martingale, plastic prongs, e-collar. Only been a couple days but so far he has made decisions not to lose his mind when he sees another dog, person, truck. Slowly working his exposure with it. He needs the longer because of his thick fur. But watching a number of videos to make sure we do it right.
thank you for this comment, now i know where to start first, i was already looking for a prong collar after the gentle leader doesnt work very well.. im going to try the starmark first.
Probably the hottest continuing controversy among dog experts has to do with training methods. While it is the case that positive or "reward-based" training techniques have become more widespread since the 1950s, "discipline-based" training using physical force or some sort of punishment or compulsion has reasserted itself in recent years because of recommendations by certain popular television shows and a few dog trainers who have become trendy with the media.
Nice! I agree with how you were using the prong. I know you don't need some random person on the internet's acceptance lol but most of the time I click on prong videos just to see how badly they explain things/how badly they understand its use. This tool needs proponents who actually know how to train dogs, or it's getting banned 😥 I subscribed!
it's not the equipment that changes the dog's behavior! it's easy to teach a dog to become sensitive to leash pressure, using a well fitted harness or regular collar, by making it a good deal and teaching a dog to ignore distractions in a positive way by changing how they feel about the distractions. There is no need to inflict pain or the threat of pain by using torture instruments like a prong collar!!!
Clearly you’re uneducated. You spout a lot of hypothetical concepts like “teaching the dog to ignore the distractions by changing how they feel about the distractions”. So how does one go about doing that exactly? Especially with a dog who is perhaps frantic, anxious, fearful due to past experiences, or very strong and boisterous? It’s always the same with people who say “pRoNg CoLlAr Is BaD” - they offer zero practical advice on how to build engagement, communicate with and calm down the dog otherwise. The prong collar doesn’t cause pain, it’s a communication tool, not a punishment tool. Do some more research on them, look up Tom Davies’ videos.
@@littlewigglemonster7691I have a collie and we use a prong on him 😂 he is 19 months and very reactive, can also be frantic when out on a leash so the prong helps us communicate with him and focuses him/calms him Down.
@@RenM908yes, they are legal here in Germany,but only with a stopper,so that the lead can't choke the dog. So choke chains are also not allowed. (In my opinion -> I absolutely disagree)
@@Trainingwilddogsand where do the best prong collar come from?herm sprenger is german no?😂so they can make it and send it all over the world but they can t use it….high level hypocrisy😮😮😮thanks for educate people❤
I hate prong collars - and they can't be used on all breeds of dog - greyhounds absolutely can't wear a prong collar owing to the structure of their necks and where they have to wear collars.
Sorry you feel that way! I am always open to all training tools that help keep dogs out of the shelter. This particular dog has been returned three times so I will do what is necessary to keep him out of there and into a good home.
Think about this, if you use the prong collar so your dog is expected to walk on a loose lease or heel position. Even if there is a squirrel or car, you need to maintain that position, and you do it CONSISTENTLY, everyday for 30 days, or 60 days, or 120 days, on the 121st day, you don't use the prong collar, do you think he will act out? I think not. And at that point where the dog has almost forgotten it's bad behaviour, you can fade it out and use a martingale style flat collar. Have two leashes, one booked to each. Same way we teach teach dogs obedience with food luring and hand commands then fade those out with verbal commands, you can do that here. When your dog acts out, apply pressure with the flat collar, and if it keeps pushing through then pressure with the prong. If you keep using the flat and then follow it by the prong, eventually your dog will learn to respect the flat collar just like the prong.
Thank you so much for explaining it like this!!! I’m not the biggest fan of prongs and they are a last resort for me cause I like to train on different harnesses. (I’m one of the only trainers in my area) However, I love the way you acknowledge that it’s not the only way! I see so many people arguing about tools and such, when the tools themselves are such a small part of it. I trained my husky on a regular harness and we both have fun with it! I do let her pull to an extent cause well, she’s literally a sled dog, but I’m able to get her back when need be and she understands when she is and isn’t allowed to pull.
Thank you for being open minded!
Thank you! The best prong collar video I've seen because it showed various applications of use, not just heel.
Just a tip you may want to recommend using a safety clip that clips from the inactive ring on the prong collar to your dogs collar. A friend recommended this to me and it probably saved my dogs life since if you don't put them on correctly they can pop off when you are giving a correction.
My dog has a positive association with her prong collar. She knows it means a walk! The trainer who fit ìt made the introduction positive as well. It keeps us both safer and we don't have to use it every time, either.
That’s the goal!! Love hearing this.
This is the best video about prong collar. I’m a first time furry mom and my 7 months old Maltese pulls on the leash. Thank you. I just subscribed
Gonna try again with the prong collar after removing one link. It wasn't overly large. But there was room to fine tune the length. The Martingale collar my new 2yo rescue (Border Collie mix) was beyond useless even though it was adjusted and installed correctly. She's got tremendous prey drive for squirrels and other dogs. She presently chokes herself with the Martingale and the prong. The prong collar has worked very well on my three previous dogs.
I've been employing the stopping, extreme slowing, and numerous 180 direction changes to no avail thus far. I have a second rescue (6yo English Shepherd) who I've had for one year. I've taught him the mushing commands (Gee, Haw, Whoa, On by), so he's mostly a good influence. It's gonna take time for sure...and effort to do regular single dog-only walks with the BC mix. She's got loads of energy. I eventually intend to walk both dogs on a tandem leash (splitter) as I did successfully with my two previous dogs.
Cheers
The prong I have has a buckle, so which is good so in case he slips out of it
Do you have an opinion on the Starmark training collar?
I like it! I use it for a lot of doodles.
I started on a martingale then moved to the starmark…. Neither work for my 5 mo old…. So a prong collar is what I’m going for
That's the perfect way to experiment with equipment! Star with the low level stuff and work up to whatever you pup needs.
Just finally moved my collie to a prong collar. He took no correction from harnesses, flat martingale, plastic prongs, e-collar. Only been a couple days but so far he has made decisions not to lose his mind when he sees another dog, person, truck. Slowly working his exposure with it. He needs the longer because of his thick fur. But watching a number of videos to make sure we do it right.
thank you for this comment, now i know where to start first, i was already looking for a prong collar after the gentle leader doesnt work very well.. im going to try the starmark first.
Excellent video! 💪
Appreciate it!
Probably the hottest continuing controversy among dog experts has to do with training methods. While it is the case that positive or "reward-based" training techniques have become more widespread since the 1950s, "discipline-based" training using physical force or some sort of punishment or compulsion has reasserted itself in recent years because of recommendations by certain popular television shows and a few dog trainers who have become trendy with the media.
Thank you! Education is key! ( not banning )
Absolutely!
Nice! I agree with how you were using the prong. I know you don't need some random person on the internet's acceptance lol but most of the time I click on prong videos just to see how badly they explain things/how badly they understand its use. This tool needs proponents who actually know how to train dogs, or it's getting banned 😥
I subscribed!
SO happy to have you here!!!
@@Trainingwilddogs your channel is so cool. Keep going!!
Subscribing just so i can see what this channel is about, don't have the time to check it out rn 😁👍
All about training dogs!
@Trainingwilddogs Perfect, then I will leave it as is. Me and my dogs need it 😅 mostly me 👀
it's not the equipment that changes the dog's behavior! it's easy to teach a dog to become sensitive to leash pressure, using a well fitted harness or regular collar, by making it a good deal and teaching a dog to ignore distractions in a positive way by changing how they feel about the distractions. There is no need to inflict pain or the threat of pain by using torture instruments like a prong collar!!!
Sounds like you have little experience with cattle dogs lol. No pain inflicted here, its pretty clear to see if you know how to read body language.
It's not a torture device. You should educate yourself
adorable another person with experience with collies and thinks they understand all dog psychology. Classic
Clearly you’re uneducated. You spout a lot of hypothetical concepts like “teaching the dog to ignore the distractions by changing how they feel about the distractions”. So how does one go about doing that exactly? Especially with a dog who is perhaps frantic, anxious, fearful due to past experiences, or very strong and boisterous? It’s always the same with people who say “pRoNg CoLlAr Is BaD” - they offer zero practical advice on how to build engagement, communicate with and calm down the dog otherwise.
The prong collar doesn’t cause pain, it’s a communication tool, not a punishment tool. Do some more research on them, look up Tom Davies’ videos.
@@littlewigglemonster7691I have a collie and we use a prong on him 😂 he is 19 months and very reactive, can also be frantic when out on a leash so the prong helps us communicate with him and focuses him/calms him
Down.
In Germany prong collars are forbidden. 20k fine!
What a bummer! I have saved so many dogs from the shelter with this tool.
Question are slip leads legal? I’ve seen more people cause more damage inadvertently with slip leads than a prong collar.
@@RenM908yes, they are legal here in Germany,but only with a stopper,so that the lead can't choke the dog. So choke chains are also not allowed.
(In my opinion -> I absolutely disagree)
@@Trainingwilddogsand where do the best prong collar come from?herm sprenger is german no?😂so they can make it and send it all over the world but they can t use it….high level hypocrisy😮😮😮thanks for educate people❤
@@didialtair4722 my thoughts exactly
I hate prong collars - and they can't be used on all breeds of dog - greyhounds absolutely can't wear a prong collar owing to the structure of their necks and where they have to wear collars.
Sorry you feel that way! I am always open to all training tools that help keep dogs out of the shelter. This particular dog has been returned three times so I will do what is necessary to keep him out of there and into a good home.
We have a six month old Labrador.
Our trainer handed us a prong collar and said;
“You will have to use this forever.”
That doesn’t sound right to me.
Every trainer is different. My end goal is for my clients to fade away from the prong but it takes a lot of time and consistency to get there.
Think about this, if you use the prong collar so your dog is expected to walk on a loose lease or heel position. Even if there is a squirrel or car, you need to maintain that position, and you do it CONSISTENTLY, everyday for 30 days, or 60 days, or 120 days, on the 121st day, you don't use the prong collar, do you think he will act out? I think not. And at that point where the dog has almost forgotten it's bad behaviour, you can fade it out and use a martingale style flat collar. Have two leashes, one booked to each. Same way we teach teach dogs obedience with food luring and hand commands then fade those out with verbal commands, you can do that here. When your dog acts out, apply pressure with the flat collar, and if it keeps pushing through then pressure with the prong. If you keep using the flat and then follow it by the prong, eventually your dog will learn to respect the flat collar just like the prong.