Why Magnifico Failed As A Disney Villain.
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King Magnifico was meant to be the triumphant return of the Disney Villain, a time honored tradition spanning generations of Disney Storytellers that has led to the creation of classic villains like The Evil Queen, Scar, Captain Hook, Maleficent, Ursula, Jafar, and Dr. Facilier! After examining Magnifico’s character for months though… I have come to believe that the creative team was unable to execute on this vision. But for the longest time, I struggled to find the words to describe what I felt went wrong, until I turned to the wise words of two of Walt Disney’s Nine Old Men. Today, using the lessons from Disney themselves, I want to explain why Disney failed to create a new Disney Villain.
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I think the movie originally had a clear direction in the beginning, but the executives had no faith in it.
The movie became Death by a Thousand Notes...
Whenever a studio interferes with a film, it a almost always turns out bad.
Alien 3 is a notorious example of this.
@@RYMAN1321 Along with Escape from Planet Earth
@@WolfmanArtyeah, thanks a lot Weinsteins
"Death by a Thousand Notes" sounds like a cool dark fantasy novel 😄
@@princesserika9899
Maybe it could be a metaphor for the industry as a whole? Complex rules-lawyering magic system and all?
The problem is that current Disney writers don't fully trust the old Disney tropes anymore. They want to be modern and subversive and still be classic Disney.
They started writing a fully evil villain, then they got worried that audiences wouldn't buy a villain that acts evil just because he can. So they gave him a sad backstory and decided to make Amaya good just to make him more "complex".
That's why we lost evil Amaya. She was made good so she would be Magnifico's conscience in order to hastily make him a more complex and tragic villain.
That way two great characters were wasted.
And once they realized he wasn't even a villain anymore, they tossed in an evil book to possess him to remove any and all complexity and have everyone treat him as if he was as always just an evil tyrant. All without a second of thought into the implications or questions of the possibility that maybe the other characters might have some responsibility for the outcome or may have some problems without him around .
@@alexmouse5758 I prefer the tragic hero route and hope they take it in the sequel. This guy is heroic to the core
There’s nothing wrong with a villian having a tragic backstory, but that alone doesn’t make them sympathetic.
@@tesslichtman7302 This is a hero not a villain.
@@Alex-mh5mu hi dude how are you
Honestly Disney should realize that protagonist doesnt automatically mean hero and antagonist doesnt always mean villain.
You're right. The protagonist is a character the story focuses on the most, and the antagonist is a character who is against what the protagonist is trying to achieve.
What can we say Disney is a sucker for happy endings
@danielsantiagourtado3430 THANK YOU omg I've been saying this for months. this movie has the protagonist = villain
right like how encanto paints a clear picture of why alma is the victim and that she lost Pablo while she was carrying the triplets.
I said for a while that Magnifico could've had different ideals from Asha without being a villain. I really thought they could take from "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" for this.
The problem is the people of Rosas don't feel like good people. They feel like the Who's from the 2000 Grinch movie. It's never a good sign when the Grinch's line:
"The avarice never ends! I want golf clubs, I want diamonds. I want a pony, so I can ride it twice, get bored and then sell it to make glue."
Feels applicable to the towns people in this movie. Cause no matter what Magnifico did they would have turned on him at some point anyway.
My God.
You're right.
It's like, every time someone finds 1 bad thing about Wish, someone else finds another 50 even worse
Growing up is realizing King Magnifico wasn't only right, but he was the victim of a society that drains you until you're nothing. Then gets rid of you with joy.
Nobody in Rosas had a problem with the system till it didn't give them what they wanted, starting with Asha who found out her grandfather's wish wasn't going to be granted
If he and his wife were villains, we could get our 1st villain couple
Funny enough that was the original plot before they changed everything
@@Kyolover8 We all know, It's in the video no offense
Disney really needs to understand that protagonist doesn't necessarily mean to hero and antagonist doesn't always mean villain. I honestly wish they kept Queen Amaya evil along with Magnifico to be Disney's first villain couple.
The writers could not decide whether they wanted a full blown classic Disney villain or a troubled antagonist, because it seems like they just mixed two different plot points into one character with no flow or and idea of what it wants to be. The movie also literally does not make Asha any less likable than she is in the beginning, especially considering how the movie never changes at all, it is all the same with Magnifico and with Asha
I couldn't have said it better
You think Magnifico is the enchanted mirror itself that talks to the Wicked Queen?
@@Disneyfan82 Wait, wasn't he trapped in a crystal? I do see the Sleeping Beauty reference.
@jonwashburn7999 Yeah it's just references
Yeah, Magnifico could have worked less as an outright villain and more of a misguided antagonist. If the writers wanted to actually make Magnifico complex, he could have been someone who was honestly trying to help, but not realizing his help was unintentionally hurting others. The primary example of that hurt could have been that one friend of Asha's who was depressed after his wish was taken away. Maybe Magnifico clings to this idea of helping so he doesn't have to feel bad about his backstory. The movie could have been about Asha trying to open Magnifico'a eyes to the reality of the situation.
We all want actual villains from disney
Ya he wasn’t evil. He was trying to do the best for his people. Past ones did what was best for themselves and only them without cared who got hurt.
Scar wanted to rule just to rule, Captain Hook wanted treasure, the evil step mother wanted weath and wealth for her daughters, the evil queen wanted to be the most beautiful in all the land.
This dude took away wishes that he thought may harm others but did what he could to grant some wishes.
@SweetHeart-life he can't give them back because he'd have to return evil wishes too, he can't grant vague wishes because that's basic magic logic, he can't let anyone in his kingdom without keeping them in check if they're dangerous, and he can't let threats destroy the only home he has left after he lost everything. so yeah this is not a villain
King Magnifico was being a king. If they wanted him to be evil, they should have shown him as such as Isaac said, But the guy does nothing bad in the entire movie. According to the movie, "wanting to keep his position in power" to protect his house and his people is irredeemably evil. But it's his job as king. Which makes him an even bigger victim. He was just doing his job and Asha decided he was wrong to do so.
Yeah, I didn't really sense any evil in him either. He was just doing what he had to do for his kingdom. Besides, it parallels the reality that sometimes, some dreams and ambitions don't true the way we hope they do in reality!
well tremaine verbally makes her own stepdaughter a servant in her own home after the father died and Anatasia in cinderella 2 stood up to her own mother.
They pretty much turned asha into an entitled teenager. "Wait you're never going to grant my sabba's wish? That means you won't ever grant any other wishes and you're now the villain"
he's more like a twist villain when the book is thrown at him.
Don’t forget, Asha doesn’t just want Sabino’s wish granted; she wants everyone to pursue their own wishes.
Honestly, with all due respect, did either of you pay attention to some parts of the movie?
@@DodotheWishFanboy i watched the entire movie and with all due respect she's so entitled, ungrateful, spoiled and selfish to just waltz on in here to make sabino's wish to come true
@@viviennemorgan7217 and with all due respect back, I see her as the complete opposite. And as Asha herself put it, people can just pursue their wishes themselves, and Asha didn’t just waltz in; she had an interview with Magnifico.
Look, I’m trying to respect your opinion, but can you do me a solid and don’t jump to conclusions too quickly?
@@DodotheWishFanboy dude it's an interview with magnifico and how am i jumping into conclusions and why did you see her as the complete opposite when there are red flags all over her, she is spoiled, selfish and all that just rewatch the whole movie?
Maybe he would've been a little stronger if he just….never granted any of the wishes and took away the people’s memories of them.
I mean after they turn 18, they lose the childlike wonder and dreams they have. That could be a little metaphor for how people think once you turn 18, you can't like Disney movies anymore and you can't follow the dreams you had as a kid because society doesn't see it as “important”
I'm just writing my own movie at this point
It makes more sense though.
cool
Love this idea! That's brilliant
Magnifico's the one with the better points about how not every wish should be granted. He's not even that evil, not until Asha starts messing with his system, and HIS actions feel more justified. The way they're written compared to each other just does not work. Magnifico's the antagonist, but doesn'tfeel like a villain. Also, I really wish they'd kept the queen evil so we'd have Disney's first theatrical villain couple.
@DanGamingFan2846 I don't understand how an entire group of writers thought it was heroic for some tour guide kid to hurt a grown man who tells her about all his pain then party when he's gone. I'll never get over it. Asha is just.. what's the word to describe someone like that?
He wasn't just a good person, he was also completely right.
@@Alex-mh5mua brat? Psycho? Entitled? Entitled psychopathic brat?
If anything Asha was the villan by ruining how things been for centuries just because Magnifico won't grant her grandpa's wish
@@Alex-mh5mu
Selfish and thieving? She's like the Edison to his Tesla. She takes as she pleases (especially from him) because she thinks it's fair, while he makes the world as good as he can with what he has.
One of my favorite Disney Villains is Mother Gothel. She was so good that I genuinely hated her. I don't hate Magnifico, but I do think he is very bland.
I feel like King Magnifico's character in the movie we got makes much more sense as a tragic Oedipus Rex-like figure who snaps and falls from grace after getting pushed to his breaking point rather than a classic Disney villain who revels in how evil they are and doesn't waste time with their feelings (unless it's Frollo lusting over Esmeralda maybe). If Disney made him the main character and if his descent into madness was portrayed as a tragedy rather than "hmm, well you do love mirrors," I think this movie would've been much better received and made for a more compelling story.
A "villain" who was right on not granting wishes all wild and crazy like. Disney could have wrote an amazing character who understands why wishes are dangerous and must see all sides of the wish to see if they are safe for the world.
I love how basically the lesson taught by making Magnifico into a villain is "Hey kids! If your parents deny you of all your absurd childish demands, they are TYRANTS!"
While the lesson that could be taught is "Look kids. Just because your papa didn't give you that candy doesn't mean he's a monster. He is looking out for you."
Especially if you’re going to accept candies from some random stranger.
It depends on how we look at it. even if it was intended for that, we can flip it to say that good things shouldn’t be quenched. Like, Asha’s grandfather’s desire was to inspire people with joy and music, not to overthrow Magnífico or inspire rebellion. And Star taking back those wishes, could represent God restoring something that was part of them. I was thrown off by the pentagram, but it was on me.
@savannahhague4989 You clearly don't understand that good people can do evil things without knowing they're doing them. Inspire people means inspire everyone, including BAD people.
This movie is encouraging capitalistic greed. It's a dangerous.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 encouraging very dangerous entitlement where you have the right to take away people's hard work despite them telling you how much they're suffering
You helped grow my love for Disney for so long!! I'm now a cast member getting to live my dream out everyday. Your an amazing person Issac and I hope you keep inspiring people to live their dreams ❤️
Oh thank you Kimberly! I'm so glad I could help grow your love of Disney. Congratulations on becoming a cast member! I hope it's an amazing experience. If you ever see me in the parks, feel free to say hi!
12:02 A DISNEY JUNIOR VILLAIN made the Hero into an ORPHAN in one altercation. Shuriki laughs in the face of Magnifico, for how non-homicidal he was.
If you have to drastically rewrite your villain because you don't think your hero could beat them, maybe the problem is how you write your hero?
I mean, you have the movie start with her interviewing to be his apprentice. Shouldn't that imply she at least has a little magic of her own? Why not lean on that and show her growing in power and skill as things go on until she's powerful enough to at least defend herself against Magnifico and Amaya? That way your villains can be more threatening and she can have some level of growth and challenge. Maybe show that she's actually clever and capable by winning with a creative solution against her more powerful foes? It would do a lot more than her somehow beating him with a random crowd song. It's more empowering than just having people say she's supposedly so kind and selfless for the sixth time or the useless goat.
This is some basic stuff here, yet nobody in charge of this movie seems to have thought about it.
I think they wanted Asha to be a "strong, independent woman" and they didn't want to give her an obstacle she couldn't overcome on her own. But the irony is that in the final version of the film, Asha ends up needing help from her friends anyway. So the filmmakers should have just stuck with the original script and had Asha rally others to assist her in her cause. It would have been a powerful lesson to teach kids that "you don't have to do it all on your own; there is no embarassment in asking for help; we are stronger together."
@@Mgauge mary-sue
Yeah Asha felt very underwhelming as a main protagonist, there's just nothing really going for her even after she literally acquires a magic wand. Aladdin had no magical powers of his own but was a much more compelling character to watch who was able to get by using his street smarts even before coming across the Genie. Both of their respective antagonists get defeated by getting sucked into something but seeing Aladdin outwit Jafar highlighted his strengths as a character and felt more rewarding than Asha singing a reprise and somehow everyone wished hard enough to set Star free from the staff and replace him with Magnifico I guess? As far as Disney movies dealing with the concept of wishes go, Aladdin takes the cake for me.
You took the right out of my mouth. When I reluctantly watched the movie, I felt that the whole thing was a mess, I felt that Asha is kind of selfish, naive, annoying, and ridiculous. She sang about how the wish system, and she is still surprised, that’s ridiculous. King Magnifico’s “villain arc” felt forced and rushed, like an overreaction to a situation, it felt like he became a villain for petty reasons. I felt that the citizens of Rosas are stupid, annoying, and ungrateful. They live in a peaceful kingdom with wish granting king, and they still wanted more. If they could make their own wishes come true then why give them away? And the Queen was useless, she could have helped him with the wishes, she could have examined the wishes for him, she could have tried harder to deter him away from the evil spell book, I felt like she gave up on him to quickly, she should have tried harder to save him from the evil, it felt like their love was superficial and meaningless. The “hero” didn’t feel like a hero, the “villain” didn’t feel like a villain, and the “victims” didn’t feel like victims
I also thought Asha was being unreasonably selfish. I mean what if someone wanted to bring loved ones back from the dead? That would cause a zombie apocalypse and sure the wish might have had good intentions but not every wish should be granted because of possible negative consequences. The rules for wish making were never mentioned or made in Wish like they were in Aladdin. The wish granting magic obviously works differently than the Genie’s and he at least explained that bringing someone back to life would result in very bad consequences of the undead and you can’t force someone to fall in love with you. In Rosas, it could be possible to force someone to fall in love with you because there are now no rules to keep the wishes at bay.
I don’t know why Asha wasn't made the villain studying under him and secretly plotting his downfall for not granting her Saba's wish and learning HER wish may not be granted.
That would have been a cool movie.
So as I've seen surmised by many others on TH-cam (including profession writers, filmmakers, critics, and storytellers in general). Is that Magnifico is not evil, he's not even malicious until Asha starts pressing his buttons.
He was a good, if somewhat egotistical king, but his kingdom was prosperous, and its populace was content. Everyone was happy to live there, knowing full well what the 'price' of living there was.
Disney inadvertently (almost) did something extremely ambitious. The antagonist was not a villain (if anything, a Well-Intentioned Extremist) and the protagonist was not a hero (rather acting as a Butterfly of Doom) to the point that it could be argued that Asha is Disney's first Princess Villain.
A ruler with good intentions does not make them a victim
@Disneyfan82 it does if he confesses you his deepest trauma and you hammer at it mercilessly until he loses his mind.
@@Disneyfan82 This is entirely wrong. Good intentions = good heart. Punishing a good heart makes you the problem, not the victim.
@@Alex-mh5mu What trauma is that exactly?😒😔
@@SpareDrawing 🙄😒 Yeah right, the road to Hell is often paved with good intentions.
It would have made more sense if after speaking with Magnifico she decided to not give him her wish, but he takes it by force. That would show him as a villain, and give Asha a real reason to wish on a star and fight.
Disney would never do it but a sequel showing how the kingdom is falling apart because of her using her magic to grant wishes without concern for the consequences and they have to release him and beg for his help would be amazing and maybe even redeem this movie a little
I’m actually writing a multi part fanfic of this exact concept where Asha learns how badly she screwed up and now there’s a zombie apocalypse she must deal with because she granted an orphan’s wish for his parents to come back to life, the Peter Pan guy turns out to have wanted to create a flying machine as a weapon to eliminate all pirates and fairies and Wendy is now being forced to commit genocide against her own will, and the entire kingdom’s money is now under the control of a greedy banker who is now making everyone else literally dirt poor and won’t share his wealth. Basically sentient Stars are extremely angry at Asha and are threatening to erase her world’s existence unless she finds a way to correct her mistake of releasing all of the wishes. Also the story would explain the Star Asha had met and precisely its true nature and why it behaved the way it did and how the Book was actually not evil as Asha had claimed and how it was actually a last resort plan to protect reality from someone like Asha from disrupting the balance of wishes and destroying reality.
The real red flag here is seeing someone like Magnifico (kindness, generosity, empathy) as a villain, and it's weird how an entire group of writers decided to ruin him as a hero. Did you know he was originally supposed to be the hero of Wish?
That was something I was not aware of!
@G.L.999 the Amaya voice actress herself confirmed it during a live interview and I'm like just give us king magnifico back lol
@@Alex-mh5mu Got a link to that interview?
@@thestooge200 yeah I found most of this stuff on a viral account about magnifico called magnificolover and the interview is like pinned to their account. I think they're trying to ask disney to get hero magnifico back and people agree.
@@Alex-mh5mu Well thank you for that. I'll have to check it out!
As an animator, as much as we can "blame" and "antagonize the artists and writers at disney, I think we shouldn't badger them, they did the best they could at a time where it mightve been conflicting, ans they worked on more than just wish
I don't hate them for what happened. But people should not be so overly negative and hostile every time they don't get their way.
The concept art for the movie was the movie that we should had got.
I agree especially since the concept even shows Amaya evil as well
Yes, also would be cool to finally have a villain couple.
@@danielmedjedovic7068 yea it would have been cool
Wish was a disgrace. I’d sooner watch a movie ABOUT magnifico than how this movie tried to force us to like it. Even his wife; I can see a plot where she eventually betrays him for the greater good, but it usually follows a long “but he’s my husband” battle of morals. She’s just one day happily married to “oh hey let’s help the town revolt. Honestly what I’ve seen of him those little moments of ego honestly make him just a quirky hero who LEARNS humility. He’d honestly make a better hero than Asha
Why Amaya can't be like, I don't know, Hans from "Frozen"? I mean, a secret true villain of the story. A queen, who turns against her husband for her own desires, who tired to be second in comand and who wants ruling Rosas by herself.
Me and some people also see her as an Evil Queen from "Snow White and the seven dwarfs" and Magnifico as her Magic Mirror. How's that?
They could have had him eating wishes. The result being that the victim was sent to another world. He gained power from consuming those wishes. His motivation being his tragic back story. A classic, I find happiness by inflicting my sadness on to others. He gets away with it, because people forget that the victim existed.
Asha sees him doing it. Preventing the mind wipe. It happens to a friend of hers or her grandfather and thus she has a motivation for standing up to the villain. In the end she goes on a journey to other worlds to find the victims and bring them back home.
Simple, clear motivations on both ends. I even provided a way for the victims to be transformed and the hero to go find them. Enabling the opportunity for multiple shorts. On multiple formats. Even connecting the Kingdom Hearts video game.
8:44 Maybe Wish could've been more interesting if Magnifico WAS the protagonist instead and Asha was the villain, the story could play out well better and make more sense that way omg
Not it couldn’t.
"You know what I hate!? King Magnifico! HERE'S WHY!!!!"
why?..!
So Your saying that Asha is the really the true villain of Wish and Magnifico is the hero?
We all do
Not me
it's common knowledge at this point
OMG, that book of yours featuring Disney's history of evil villains is so amazing! You're such a 🆒️ Disney fan, Isaac! 😄❤️✨️
I wouldn’t have said that Magnifico was an actual villain, or rather Ash and everyone else around him made him that way.
Unlike most Disney Villain’s, he doesn’t really seek power or control as he’s already a magical leader, there was also no real threat to him.
He turned to the dark book when he swore he’d never have to. The book turned him mad.
In the movie’s defense, it isn’t made totally clear to the people of Rosas that their wishes may never be granted, else why would they risk it? They’re happy because they exist in ignorance, not knowing what their wish was, but hopeful that they may be the next one to have it granted. When Asha discovers Magnifico won’t ever grant her grandfather’s wish, she is devastated. And when she asks Magnifico to just give it back then, he refuses, essentially robbing him of ever having the chance to achieve his dreams the old fashioned way.
In all fairness though, the writers could have made this conflict a little clearer, making Asha’s goals a little less ambiguous.
But her grandfather *was* happy without his wish being granted. He even told Asha this himself.
We could had gotten a Disney couple in the concept art we can see that
Honestly, Magnifico seems like a sympathetic and realistically an understanding villian in this case. Some dreams and 'Wishes'(pun intended) can't/don't always come true irl. Some dreams and visions aren't meant for everyone!
I keep imagining the zombie apocalypse Asha has unleashed because she just grants literally everyone’s wishes after an orphan wishes for their parents to come back to life.
Asha: I am the hero of this movie.
Audience:...Uh...sweetie, no. You might unintentionally be...the villain :/
she doesn't even hide it
Yep!
She’s a villain
I think she’s a hero.
She helped get everyone’s wish back.
Plus, she had cares a lot about the people of Rosas.
She may have been young, but she knew a lot of things.
@@evanholloway1692 delulu
What went wrong... Passion, for a start? Good plot, arc, employees, dedicated writers, good messages, love for their work, motivation, shall I go on, sir? *Zazu style*
The movie spends most of the time telling us Magnifico is evil with no evidence of it. Asha and Gang's shenanigans basically force him to use the evil book. The movie gaslights the antagonist into villainy, it's so weird! Which speaking of...where did this evil book come from? Did Magnifico fight evil sorcerers in his past? We don't know! It would be much more compelling if it was HIS book and he used to be evil before founding the kingdom. He made a conscious effort to live a life for good so he sealed the book away. It would explain it's draw it has on him. Asha's crap and his paranoia cause him to fall back into villainy.
I have a theory that the Book wasn’t actually evil as Asha claimed and was actually a tool to help keep balance in the world from someone like Asha and that Magnifico would have been perfectly fine and back to normal after he stopped Asha from destroying reality by releasing every wish into the wild.
It truly is an accomplishment by Disney to fail so badly at making Magnifico a good Disney villain to the point people sided with him instead of the Movie's intended hero
I know right? The point of a classic disney villain is that they AREN'T sympathetic. Messing up a sympathetic villain into being a hero by making them too sympathetic? Ok, understandable.
Messing up "evil for the evulz" so badly you made a tragic hero?
Yeesh! What sort of executive meddling horrors HAPPENED?
We were robbed. 😭😭 the concept art looked so cool! I wanna try rewriting this as an original screenplay. These concept art ideas feel too magical to be reduced to just footnotes in a disappointing movie. 🙏
I think we’re dismissing the fact that the king was very negative thinking paranoid about Asha’s grandfather‘s wish. The king was certain he would inspire a rebellious mob to destroy the kingdom, when really it was just to inspire.
Disney messed up big time with this movie. King Magnifico was the real victim in all this a justified victim and there’s a reason why in Japan they started a hashtag about loving king Magnifico. Disney messed up so much that many wish parody ta featuring the star, goat and main character are on clearance but anything g involving King Magnifico is full price. Heck Disney can’t sell him by himself because they know if they see people clammed to his merch, they’d realize their grim mistake and have to double down. #KingMagnificoisinnocent, #Ashaistherealvillain #WeloveKingMagnifico
Even from the trailers I thought "Magnifico sounds reasonable" and like he was the good guy in this. I also don't hear people talking about this, but the "rallying" song Asha sings before going to overthrow the king, is kind of like Gaston riling up the people to overthrow the Beast
I’d love to see Disney make more compelling movie villains who would make for truly menacing threats!
I’d love to write a fan made sequel where Asha goes around granting everyone’s wishes and it goes horribly wrong almost every single time.
Like Cinderella becomes marries the prince and condemns the fairy godmother as a witch leading to the death of several women.
She grants Peter Pan the wish of never growing up by creating neverland and he starts kidnapping and killing kids when they say they want to grow up.
Turns a mermaid human for all mermaids to become zoo attractions.
Stuff like that.
In the end Asha would be a jaded person but I’d have Star come back to give hope that you just have to find the right people to make change for the better. That trust is a two way street.
I’m currently working on a fanfic where Asha’s actions have now created problems that are about to destroy reality and sentient Star people are threatening to erase Asha’s world from existence as a way to protect reality unless Asha finds a way to undo what she has done. Peter Pan guy is now a genocidal maniac set on eliminating all pirates and fairies and Wendy us forced to help him because he has leverage over her and an orphan’s innocent wish for their parents to be brought back to life has caused a zombie apocalypse.
@@kenthuang436 Ah fun fun. Glad I’m not the only one with this idea. You just went rated R while I was thinking PG 13. Lol
@@ninjagirl226It’s going to be PG to PG 13. The zombies are just going to be similar to Rasputin from Anastasia and they only bite their victims to turn them into zombies without any blood being shown. And Peter Pan basically builds a giant warship with canons and is firing them at the forest where the fairies live and at ships in the sea which aren’t actually pirate ships as he believes but rather people coming to Rosas for new and better life.
Quick Question - Would you say it is accurate to say that there are too many villain apologists in media today? For example, how many times do you hear people say that, "Maleficent should have been invited to the christening if the three good fairies were. King Stefan and Queen Leah picked a side in the fairy conflict." or "Belle should have married Gaston because, given the setting of Beauty and the Beast, Gaston is not about to be executed in the French Revolution." or how many times do you see the same panel from Twisted: the Untold Story of a Royal Vizier in which Gaston, Maleficent, Captain Hook, Scar, and Ursula lament their desires, only to then be horrified when Cruella said she wanted to make a dog-fur coat with puppies?
I literally never read comments about excusing past classic villains because people love them evil. It's funny to see evil characters. King Magnifico just isn't evil. People understandably get angry if you punish good people.
@@Alex-mh5mu Not necessarily because “people love them evil,” but more they’re placing all villains in a Wicked scenario. Ex. Maleficent
@joshuawells835 What we've been asking Disney was to return to classic villainy and they didn't, but tried to force it as one anyway, that's not what people want
There certainly are a lot of villain apologists online. Just look at how many people are convinced that Plankton from "SpongeBob SquarePants" is an innocent victim who never does anything wrong (remember when he enslaved all of Bikini Bottom in the movie?).
Not frequently. It's a niche of every piece of work. But I do see an alarming rise in protagonists who behave the worst of ways but are said to be the voice of the truth. Or they never get challenged by the narrative. It does give the wrong lessons, and makes you question more and more about who or what is wrong / right. If doubting supposed good intentions of the main character is what they're aiming at, they're doing it right.
But it was unfair of him to say he wasn't granting them on purpose because they are "unsafe" when he knew there was nothing unsafe about them
He wasn't saying that the wishes themselves were necessarily unsafe (tho it is reasonable to assume that some might have been outright unsafe ones). The point is that some wishes are vague, meaning he cannot know for sure if they were safe or not.
The dude has been in the wish granring buisiness for decades. He is running a prosperous kingdom. He is THE foremost expert on wish magic, and magic in general, around. Asha blows up at him before learning a single new thing about wish magic except that magnifico thinks some wishes are too *vague* to grant.
What does she do with that knowledge?
She proceeds to make a terrifyingly open ended wish to the stars. And guess what happens? The kingdom loses its sorcer king and is now vulnerable to raiding.
Holy cow, even Isaac Carlson is saying that King Magnifico is a bad villain. Now I know that Disney really fumbled the bag with their 100 Year Anniversary Movie.
In my opinion if your villain is such a decent human being that you need to have him be corrupted by the evil book of evilness then you might want to do a few rewrites. Plus, one thing I hate about this movie is how barely anything that's set up in the first act actually effects the plot later:
Magnifico's mysterious past: Never brought up again
Asha's dad being connected to the stars and supposedly being close with Magnifico: Never brought up again
Valentino being able to talk: Just an excuse for some funny jokes and a way to justify the cute animal sidekicks existence
Magnifico didn't deserve to be a villain, in my opinion. He was misguided in some ways (I guess), but he wasn't a bad person. He switched up so quickly after he sang At All Costs, so much so that it felt a little forced to me. Of course it wasn't nice to hear that her Saba's wish wouldn't be granted but he's not the only one who has a wish that they've been waiting ages for to be granted. Magnifico was quite literally a good man who did what was best for his people and I think it all came to a halt when Asha basically grew frustrated with the fact that he said he simply wouldn't grant her Saba's wish as it wouldn't be fair to just grant his because she asked when he hasn't done it for anyone else. I don't blame him for straight up being like "Wow I'm not surprised you're already asking me to grant the wishes". You can't just grant any and every wish, and Magnifico had a huge burden on himself anyway. He did them a favour by making them forget the wishes honestly. When Asha messes it all up, honestly it did seem a little ungrateful, so "This is the thanks I get?" Was kinda justified in my opinion. She wasn't even listening when he offered her the position and didn't even accept it before she asked him to grant the wish 😭💀 way to go, Asha
All I'm saying is that the people of Rosa's knew what to expect when they moved there, and they also should have known that everyone had an equal fair chance of having their wishes granted, so it would be unfair to grant someone's wish just because they asked
And then there’s the fact that some orphan probably had their wish for their parents to be alive again and unknowingly caused a zombie apocalypse and a genocidal maniac running around freely who made a wish that hid their true intentions all because Asha thought every wish had to be granted.
I think Asha was justified in being mad at the king, because he basically called her grandpa dangerous. And that wasn’t true. And yes, people were giving him the wishes willingly but the ones he couldn’t grant he should’ve at least given back “because freedom is the right of all sentient beings.” -Optimus prime.
Giving back seemingly harmless wishes and not giving back dangerous ones would cause a revolution against the king who only favors some people rather than others. This is why we don't have teenagers as leaders.
How much of their freedom are they giving him, REALLY?
They didn't give him their HEART. They gave him a single wish. They knew the rules.
In exchange they live in a society that doesn't even have a pre existing law about treason. When he DOES declare a punishment, its a slap on the wrist. The people don't ACT like theyre oppressed or obedient. They're greedy litle shids who all refuse to listen to their kings request during a national crises unless it improves their odds at wish lotto.
NOBODY does that irl. Even the USA, a country obsessed with freedom, still HAS laws about treason and strong punishments. It makes the legal definition excessively narrow but it still has a definition.
Oh don't get me wrong, that COULD have been the issue. But...they never show that.
They didn’t have to try to make magnifico sympathetic so much in the beginning. They could have posed his good nature at the beginning as a false face where he just wanted to hoard all the wishes cuz maybe it gave him power. And if only they went with the evil couple idea and have the queen be evil too. In one scene he went from calmly explaining the dangers of vague wishes to ‘I decide what’s right!’ And there’s too many questions as to why no one in the kingdom had a problem losing their wishes and were still happy. They weren’t depressed or heavily affected losing it, except for asha’s one friend for some reason. It didn’t become an issue until asha realized her grandpa wouldn’t get his wish granted. There was so many ways the movie could have changed and been better. Not great but a lot better
6:44 "When Asha turns against Magnifico,there IS no clear victim."
Exactly 💯. One way or another, Asha was acting like a spoiled brat. Or at least, someone has no world experience about how terrible people can be
She was acting entitled while Magnifico was trying to create the least amount of damage.
Cleaely, Magnifico is the real victim, a victim of ashas horrifyingly vague wish leaving him vulnerableto rhe books influence, which is when his personality starts to twist.
magnifico warned her about vague wishes...and she didn't listen.
The problem with Magnifico is that he, as stated, was not ever a real threat. I think of other evil sorcerers across Disney history like Ursula or even outside Disney like Voldemort and Magnifico just doesn't stack up. These other mentioned evil sorcerers demonstrated multiple times that they were willing to kill and destroy everything the protagonist and its world knew simply to gain personal power or prestige, up to and including murdering the protagonist. Magnifico might throw around scary green lights and have a so-called "Forbidden Book of Magic" but any REAL evil sorcerer would toss him around like a sack of potatoes with both hands tied behind their back. I'm willing to bet even non-magical folk could easily sweep the floor with him, that's how much Disney nerfed him
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Yeah not only are they energetic they are supernaturally productive. Dude INSTANTLY makes that sculpture.
6:40 ish
Her wish is so, so PAINFULLY vague, just like "i wish to change my fate"(ok, fate changed to " bear") Which is exactly what magnifico warned against, a vague wish.
Asha ruined EVERYTHING in that moment.
I really wanted the star to turn out to be the twist villain and was manipulating Asha, all along.
Well the fact is it’s friendly. And it did good things for the universe.
Well at least he wasn't another Twist Villain revealed at literally the last minute
IMO nothing tops Bellwether as the worst twist villain.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Zootopia (and I’m really excited for the sequel next year) but Bellwether’s reveal of being the mastermind came the hell out of nowhere, even after they tried to explain why she did what she did.
I can also see why many felt they waited way too late in the film to reveal it, by that point the film had maybe 5-10 minutes left.
@@RYMAN1321 I'm surprised you didn't say Hans like everyone else
@@connorplisga3718 For some reason I never saw any issue with him though I at the same time I can understand why many didn’t like the twist .
@@RYMAN1321to me, the worst twist villian is definitely Prince Hans. That’s bad writing at it’s finest.
I feel Magnifico could have worked if he was an allegory for those politicians who get power througth false promises. He should have been more of a power hungry politician who feels entitled into his position when in truth he got there by lying and cheating.
Sure! Almost anything would have been an improvement if they could have commited to it.
Instead he's shockingly honest and upfront about how the wish "lottery" works, the citizens are just terrible at math... Which itself loops back around to if only rhe movie had committed to something.
Even many GOOD disney princes and kings are not half as honest as him.
They couldve made this movie into a tragic villain. They couldve made it where while Magnifico was going through a spiral of truama and curse they could had the Queen step up and settle things between Asha and him. Cause at the end of day the Queen didnt know what was going and just watched her egotistical but loving become crazed out of no where. He didnt even talk to his wife and wanted try and fix things himself. This couldve been a movie of lessons on misunderstandings, trauma, and ptsd.
Rosas was a safe haven with no criminals cause no one had the wish to be one since Magnifico took that Thats all he wanted like others said he was a extremist and very cautious I'm sure at the beginning of making Rosas he didnt give anyone their wish at the beginning until he met his wife compromise and help his trauma.
The movie was ok pretty good but it did feel rushed and unfinished. Whoever was overseeing the project shouldve rethought the cuts they made. It wouldve been a better movie for the Disney anniversary. Very anticlimactic movie....the songs were great though lmao
Do this for httyd how all species and populations of dragons returned to the hidden world and lived under toothlesses rule
What was so evil about the king anyways. So people agree when they come to the kingdom to give up their greatest desire or wish. And once or twice a month, the king will grant someone's wish.
His only real rules are he doesn't grant wishes that could be too vague or may cause the destruction of the Kingdom. Everyone seems to be happy, and full of energy except for one of Usher's friends.
I don't get any of the qualities of a Disney villain the king, like I do maleficent, hook, or even jafar.
This just seems like play Drop the ball, and we didn't get a truly bad villain that we could have. And I agree, he doesn't have some horrible plot about using the wishes or segregating his subjects.
Sure he turns evil in order to protect the kingdom, but that wasn't an evil motive from the very beginning.
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So antagonistic rewrite: Magnifico is first depicted as a budding sorcerer that is on his way to ascended the throne. He saw the power in wish making and envied that power, coveting its influence. By learning to absorb people’s wishes, the once peasant Magnifico would gain all that he lacked as a kid: a family, a home, friends and prestige. Using the powers of other’s wishes, Magnifico could wish what he always desired to be but no one gave him a chance to be: a king. But making selfish wishes or absorbing them for someone’s own gain corrupts a Person’s soul. From modest covetous wishes, he became increasingly power hungry. Even as he becomes a king, he hungers for more. Magnifico still has the prestige, people’s minds are erased when their wishes are stollen, so they don’t see him as evil; like a charisma spell as part of his kingly charms.
Cut to the present: Asha, a passionate tour guide of the cheery kingdom, discovers people are beginning to suffer increasingly intense nightmares and other ailments. Asha requests an audience of the king, but is denied. Determined, she sneaks in and is horrified at what she sees: Magnifico singing to himself about his wants and growing desire of world conquest and subjugation, which is what is causing people to get nightmares and start to lose individuality/ hope. This triggers Asha’s want song at night after her escape and summons the star, wishing to grant Asha’s wish of solving the town’s struggles. Asha gathers her friends to reclaim the wishes that haven’t been absorbed yet. Magnifico alters her friend’s memories and the townspeople to make her seem like the villain and source of their ills.
The star , the goat and Asha are all that’s left as Magnifico asks the citizens to help conquer other cities to claim their wishes for the prosperity of the kingdom to alleviate the curse. Asha here learns the true value of a wish, through loss is to give hope to others through selflessness. Magnifico was selfish and thus only ended up craving more and brainwashed the citizens, the victims into believing his selfish way of using wishes.
TL;DR Bottom line: make Magnifico have a reason to be greedy, make him power hungry with wish stealing, make the townsfolk the victims without them realizing it and have Asha suffer loss through the victims to understand the true value of a wish.
This idea isn’t perfect, but it gives the villain a chance to be a villain from the start and grows in threat level and power
It's a much better idea than the movie we got!
@@colbystearns5238 Thank you! I love making story concepts and seeing the deconstruction of wish gave me inspiration. Though the main inspiration was what magnifico could have been: bowser from paper mario 64. That version of bowser was so competent, menacing and truly a power hungry villain abusing wishes like magnifico could have been doing. He had the power of the star rod, and stole everyone's abilities to make wishes AND sealed the stars that granted wishes away, so ONLY bowser could make wishes. EVERYONE in the mushroom kingdom suffered because of wish powered minions taking over all areas of the kingdom. Mario was defeated within an inch of his life, bowser became invincible... and that was all within the tutorial of the game. Talk about stakes, talk about victims, talk about investment into the villain
While Magnifico’s not the most complex Disney Villain I find him to be very nostalgic and fairly decent reminding me of the classic villains in some ways and that certainly appropriate for celebrating 100 years Disney animation and while Wish isn’t one of the strongest of the studio I still enjoyed it for what it is.
I loved how you used the Disney Villain book as the basis of your observations, it was a wonderful touch and very educational. Now I want to buy the book. :D
As bad and disappointing of villain Magnifico is, i hope Disney doesnt take the wrong lessons away from Wish, and stops trying to give us classic villains again, because Magnifico being a proper villain from the getgo wasnt the problem, the problem was the execution and that all potentially cool stuff about him was left on the cutting room floor.
So i think for their next few films, they look at Magnifico at how NOT to do a villain for their modern times, and instead look at how they can improve upon their first attempt.
For example, one of the big problems with Magnifico is that they couldn't decide whether to make him a pure evil villain or a troubled and sympathetic antagonist. So choose between one or the other. Like lets say Moana 2 has a proper villain, instead of doing what you did with Magnifico, choose between one or the other, maybe have a potential villain for Moana 2 be a troubled and sympathetic antagonist. Maybe someone who was wronged by Moanas tribe or one of the other tribes from that movie, and is building up power to get revenge, and in the end, Moana has to talk him or her down and/or try to reason with him or her, maybe takes some ques from Killmonger from Black Panther, where he or she ultimately wins the philosophical argument, despite Moana going about it ij a less violent manner then the villain wouldve. And for Zootopia 2, do the opposite, have the villain of that movie be a pure evil scumbag (perhaps maybe a satire of people like Trump or DeSantis) and have him want to install shock collars on predators and deport the Reptiles (who could be stand-ins for Immigrants), and use that as one of the ways to expand upon the themes of the original Zootopia.
Also, Magnifico and Amaya were going to be a villain couple, why not resue that idea for Frozen 3. Have the villains be a villain couple in the form of Anna and Elsa's estranged Aunt and Uncle, specifcally Iduna's twin sister and Agnarrs older half brother, whom want the throne and power of the spirits for themselves. Yes youd have to retcon some stuff. But one, Frozen 2 clearly retconned the mom into an indigenous person, so why should it matter, and two, it could be a cool way to give us a dark mirror/reflection of Anna and Elsa's parents as well as Anna and Elsa themselves. Or hell, have it be a villain family, with the aunt and uncle being dark reflections of the parents while there two children (son and daughter) are black mirrors of Anna and Elsa, you can even use this as an excuse to reuse Elsa's goth design.
The point is, disney should use Magnifico as an opportunity to learn from their mistakes for next time, as opposed to just abandoning the concept of proper villains again altogether.
The main problem is Magnifico picks and chooses the wishes on his bases of if he thinks people's intentions of their wishes arr good. She finds that out and wants to change it. Yes, her Saba's wish was the fuel to her changing things but she even ask him that 'So many of these wished won't come true?' The king lays his plans for wish granting right in front of her. And she wants to change that. Also, his desire to be the only one with magic is his downfall. To be the only person with the power is his downfall as well. I think Disney wanted to create a villian that everyone trust. Which they executed very well. I truly believe, just like Hans, in Frozen, he didn't have evil intentions. However, he got greedy for power.
He has a wife in power who makes the rules with him and gets cursed out of fear, having his agency taken away from him. Victim.
"Desire to be the only one woth magic"-he restricts magic extremely heavily, sure, but dude is literally looking for trustworthy apprentices to (safely) teach magic to. Seems like he dumps them when they get too aggressively nepotistic and don't actually have interest in learning magic.
This was such a wonderful video. You really explained everything so well. I have nothing against the main villain having a sympathetic backstory, because every evil villain probably endured some form of trauma that turned them into the villains we on them as. But the way it was written was wrong.
I also think that a lot of the faults with Asha and Magnifico’s characters stem from Jennifer Lee. If you look at her interviews about Frozen, She’s stated that she relates much more to the quirky kind of personality that Anna had rather than Elsa’s. She also commented that sociopaths are “cool.” In other words, Lee loves the quirky protagonist and twist sociopathic villain tropes.
While there is nothing wrong with either trope, it feels like Jennifer Lee is writing more for herself then the audience. Everybody is different. If you want to write a relatable protagonist, than you should do so with the fact that your audience is diverse, and what’s relatable to you isn’t always relatable to them,
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses appear, especially the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, with her best friends Zephyr, Tip, Dash, Kiera and Catalina, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death, Drizella Tremaine, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, as Queen Grimhilde, Lady Tremaine, Captain Hook, Hades, Maleficent, Cruella de Vil, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Jafar, John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Yzma, Dr. Facilier, Zhan Tiri, Judge Claude Frollo, Mother Gothel, Tamatoa, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel The Grisly, Mor'du, King Runeard, Prince Hans, Pitch Black, Dr. Zara, Queen Nerissa, King Magnifico, Rapunzel (Shrek) and Morgana, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks from ruling and destroying all The Multiverse Forever, especially The Kingdom of Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, The Baker, Anastasia Tremaine, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdin, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Varian, Cassandra, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Miguel Rivera, Princess Raya, Walter Beckett, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Jin, Yi, Connor, Ruby Gillman, Starboy, Princess Asha, Mateo, Queen Elena, Prince Desmond, Princess Amber, Prince James, Princess Isabel, Prince Hugo, Princess Sofia, Namaari, The Futuristic Four, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica and Melody, but actually, Melody is The First and Only that she is not a True Official Disney Princess, because Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is The First and Only Daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others also need Melody's help to protect and save all The Multiverse, especially Their Kingdom of Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, because Melody is The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but also The Death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused her own death in her Kingdom of Far Far Away, and all The Inhabitants of The Kingdom of Far Far Away are saddened by The Death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now The Kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be The New Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Dulcinea, with The Three Diablos, with Goldilocks, with The Three Bears, with The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the Others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and his love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to his Kingdom of Far Far Away, and also The Romance of all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, especially The Romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, The Romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Merida, The Romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, The Romance of Varian and Cassandra, The Romance of Starboy and Princess Asha, The Romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and The Romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think that Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Merida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Merida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Merida is also the same, because whenever Princess Merida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win The Heart of Maui, also Princess Merida to win The Heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win The Heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win The Heart of King Artie, and I also want that Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend and Varian will be Cassandra's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, because Varian leaves fall in love with Cassandra, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Varian gets too close to Cassandra when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for they, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win The Heart of Princess Elsa and also Varian to win The Heart of Cassandra, except Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because she doesn't need a love interest, but also The Rivalry of King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is The Best Ruler of a Kingdom, because both want to do what is best for Their Own Kingdom, because King Artie wants to do the best for his Kingdom of Far Far Away because now he is The New King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for her Kingdom of Arendelle because now she is The New Queen of Arendelle, but at the end, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best ruler of a Kingdom, and that at the end, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Shrek becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princes and Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Varian, Jin, Connor, The Baker, Starboy, Mateo, Prince Desmond, Prince James, Prince Hugo, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princes, while Princess Fiona becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princesses and Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Cassandra, Yi, Ruby Gillman, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Asha, Queen Elena, Princess Amber, Princess Isabel, Princess Sofia, Goldilocks, Namaari, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be The Wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is The Wife of King Artie, that they also have a family and that she becomes The New Queen of Far Far Away in The Future.
...... This sounds like a fanfiction to me.
But let me guess even though they wanted to make Asha the hero they failed to do so am I right?
I mean Asha is a idealist who is questioning the flaws in the world around her.
Asha's personality consists of her being inviting, warm and so honest brave and optimistic.
But from watching the film at least more than once I immediately took notice of a change in her personality.
Asha went from a personality of being inviting, warm, So honest, brave and optimistic.
To a personality of a narcissistic temperamental rage.
And that is not And I repeat NOT something that we expect from a hero heroic character.
It's like that song from Wanda vision that said it was Agatha all along.
But in this case the villain was Asha all along
Magnífico has to be one of the worst Disney villains ever, because all the other villains we had so far in Disney they’ve all had compelling reasons for why they are evil and want to have their goals achieved, here is just like the good guy is the bad guy and the bad guy is a good guy.
He truly had good intentions in the beginning, coming from a traumatic background and wanted to keep others from experiencing what he did.
Why is King Magnifico a villain?
Enforces a seemingly benevolent system in the Kingdom of Rosas where people can surrender the memories of their deepest wishes parts of their very souls on the false hope that he will grant them. He actually makes it illegal for people to pursue their wishes themselves cuz that would take power from him.
Exactly. He keeps up this facade to trick people into giving the most important part of themselves.
Except for all intents and purposes, it IS benevolent. The kingdom is safe and prosperous. The citizens are happy and content. You know what you're in for when you turn eighteen and you're free to leave if you don't like it.
Everything about his villain song... is right. Egotistical sure. But that's not evil in and of itself.
@@brockthehydroelectricninja3144how is it a trick? Hes open about it? Do you think the people of rosas ceiling covered in orbs are just decorations? Hes not makeing people come or stay in rosas. He is the king, the founder and ruler of the country so he makes the laws. If people dont like it? They can leave as he isnt stopping them.
Because the movie says he is and dreams of a giant chicken are more important than living in a literal paradise for free.
Maybe he was influenced by Vor, the villain from Sofia the First that did the same thing to other classic villains.
I think he does correspond but he does it in a way that you don't understand because he acts like a politician
The people at Disney and Pixar really need to reopen that book. The movie villains have gotten worse and worse ever since the studio switched to 3D animation. If you want to talk about a story with a well-written Disney villain, you should make some videos about The Owl House. Walt Disney lost a lot of my respect after how shamefully they treated such a great show. 👿
Here’s my idea of what the plot wish could be. Instead of King magnifico the main villain, he could be the founder of Rosas and the villain could be his great grandson named King Drightenovo & his Wife Queen Neeuqaxi with their goddaughter &/OR Stepdaughter Will.
I honestly think that Asha was the *real* villain and that she really screwed up by releasing all of those wishes. The rules of wishes were never established in Wish and I have a hard time believing that all of those wishes were good and pure. What if an orphan’s wish was for their parents to be alive again? Would that bring them back as zombies? Or what if someone’s greatest wish was world dominance and making it a dystopian nightmare? Magnifico wasn’t even that bad as he did keep everyone safe and even gave very good jobs to the physically disabled like Dahlia. Asha was the one to say he was “bad.” If you actually analyze the characters in the movie, none of them are truly suffering without their greatest wish not being granted and the grandfather even told Asha that he was perfectly fine not getting his wish and that he was still happy.
They didn’t show his family being killed because tell don’t show bullshit.
Which is ridiculous because Disney has shown characters die in their films.
Hell, even the recent Encanto showed Pedro’s death at the hands of that gang even though it was a very brief scene and didn’t really show that much.
@@RYMAN1321 Exactly
They didn't show it because they knew if we got a glimpse of his past, no one would have been able to call him even remotely evil.
@@SpareDrawing That makes sense
You people don’t understand the king in wish had trust issues he was over protecting everybody from wishes it grew a long with the book it he went through a lot he has to learn that he can’t control every wish he has see continue in order to know that are bad because if it’s good it’s not fair
This movie could have gone significantly better if the makers allowed for a hero-couple with Asha and Stayboy and villain-couple with Magnifico and Amaya.
Issac Carlson, please make a video of amphibia about the history of wartwood and the toads and newt topia or character life story
The whole Wish film is a victim of plot holes and errors that make for a Disney disaster that they should’ve prevent and fixed if they pay attention to the company’s past.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Magnifico was originally going to be either a twist villain or an anti-villain, but then Disney saw everyone complaining about how they wanted straight-up evil Disney villains back and attempted to rewrite Magnifico into one of those... only to fail at it.
I'm glad he didn't work as a villain but as a tragic hero, I wouldn't be here to love this character otherwise haha
And the fandom wiki still calls King Magnifico pure evil
@@Master-Works Made by fans, so truly, doesn't matter
When Magnifico was defeated were we supposed to be sad there wasn't still good left in him? Why did they paint him as good but got corrupted if the plan was to him to be regular evil?
I guess this is the first Disney movie where the villain wins.
Because Magnifico was the hero and Asha was the villain. When I watched this, I was so confused. I tried to find a reason why Magnifico was the evil person but I could only sympathize with him. Asha, on the other hand, just destroyed everything due to her selfishness. Because dont tell me the kingdom can function without Magnifico. Ha had the skill, the experience, the motivation, the power, and the diplomatic connections to make the kingdom work. Without him, the kingdom is 100% ruined or at least it will start to work like every other kingdom. The people will be crying him back in a year or two.
While i can agree that Disney Villains like Scar, The Evil Queen and Jafar are "better" and iconic, I personally love Magnifico. He's a great new addition to the Disney villains, he believes himself to be the good king, when in reality, he is a narcissistic, greedy man to seeks to keep his kingdom in order by taking away the most important part of a person.
King Magnifico is really Bob Iger who takes away dreams and wishes he views as problematic, wanting only what benefits him.
@brockthehydroelectricninja3144 He is literally none of these things. I understand you were eager to have a new Disney villain but this one is not it.
@@Alex-mh5mu Respectfully disagree.
@@brockthehydroelectricninja3144 shrug
Isaac, did you know King Magnifico has an entire community dedicated to getting him back as the hero he deserves to be? I was stunned to find how popular he is. In a good way. Disney better listen.
Can you maybe make a video about your more in-depth thoughts on this movie as a whole? Your initial response to it was positive, whereas in this video you're more critical. Has your view changed or is it overall just more nuanced than any singular post or video of yours has made it out to be?
You know what truely funny is that, I guess, Asha acts like a villain and Magnifico as a hero. I remember in one of the "Wish" review i heard that Asha acts kind of like a villain and Magnifico acts like a hero, who trying his best to help Rosas to grow and after a while he is tired with Rosas - a town full of selfish and self-centered people, who only cares about their wishes. Will be funny if their roles was reversed. Like Asha will be a protaganist who turn into selfish antagonist, who using power of The Star for her own desires and forgets why she wishing on it (yeah, this sounds stupid), and Magnifico will be the one who trying reasoning her that her desires are wrong and curing her from it. And she will be sorry for her selfishness.
Yeah, I see that "Wish" could've been great. Asha could've been great, like Simba, Aladdin and Jasmine, Wendy, Cinderella, Ariel, Rapunzel and more. And Magnifico and Amaya as villains could've been great. Like mix of Ursula, Facilier, Jafar, Scar, Captain Hook, Lady Tramain, Gaston and more. That could've been awesome.
So what’s better
villain known from the start
Or
Twist villain
Villain from the start
magnifico was supposed to be a evil villain like the villains in the early to late disney films but in the deleted scene he was seen eating wishes more than keeping them safe for himself.
we need the deleted scenes to be the actual story to tell or the actual movie to watch.
Uuuh, I'm sure the people would want to stand up to him in the original draft because he was a bad person. It's pretty obvious.
9:08 I'm a bit confused. Is this meant as a flaw on Robin Hood's part? Or a defense of Robin hood doing right what wish did wrong?
I understand that Magnifico was underated and his villain song has a pop vibe to it, but I still think he should be recognized! Also, since you're continuing to do Wish videos, do you think you could do a video where you talk about Star's evolution from Asha's love interest to loveable companion?
And….In the end it all meant Nothing 😞
They should've went with the consept they had. yes i like the art style and songs but if they went with the consept they had we would've had a villian power couple and love story old disney use to have.
i think the rating and family friendly also plays a part from pg-13 to pg to killing to none killing so more people can watch and make it safer for kids