Ink Vac COUNTERS KRAKEN?! Splatoon 3 Mythbusters
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To clarify the Kraken vs Crab at the end in text form.
With Object Shredder: You 1 shot Crab, however you must be at mid range to kill the rider.
Without Object Shredder: You do not 1 shot Crab, but by squid rolling after you can break and hit the rider dealing 60 damage. They then can not escape the followup jump attack.
So OS works for midrange and no OS works better for long range. Since at max range with OS, the Crab breaks from the charge and the user can move.
Final note is that if the Crab is even slightly low, you can kill it at midrange without OS.
It almost seems like distance affects the interaction between the Crab player and Kraken's active hitbox. Something for the dataminers to figure out.
@@obsidiangrimoire I'm guessing it's a relatively simple matter of the Kraken dealing damage at specific, quick intervals during its charge.
@@juniperrodley9843 That's what I was thinking as well, or the hitbox rotates with the Kraken in a way where it can hit the crab but not the rider at the start/end of the charge. Regardless, it is very weird.
Can't wait for the stream with you and the others in asquidmin
@@juniperrodley9843 That or crab tank gives the rider some invincibility after getting destroyed. So the charge has to be spaced so it kills the crab and then the player a couple frames after.
Chara really went through all of the stages of grief with that testing
This needs to stay. Ink Vac rarely takes any Ws, this is its shining moment
Agreed. Ink vac gets bodied by so many specials and main weapons as is
Yeah and how effective kraken is this tech might get more use
If this leads to Crab > Vac > Krak RPS meta. It won't, but IF IT DOES.
@@StarshadowMelody Oh man I wish
funny how every inc vac I've encountered with my new main(krak-on how dare splatoon deprive me of this set) I just..went behind and splatted lol
As someone who never played Splatoon 1, I finally get to experience the joy of destroying someone with Kraken.
Same but I feel like it must be easier to handle from the gameplay of splat 1
@@surprisedazumirill I think Splat 1's maps made up for how much more powerful Kraken was. Splatoon 3 maps have like no where to hide and less obstacles to traverse around. So, if a Kraken sees you have to confront it or run away.
The only reason I can play Kraken is because once its over I am valuable where it disappeared so Kraken on duilies please!!!🥹🥹🥹
Enjoy it while you can. Once people learn it, it'll be a lot more difficult
Same here
I love that they put the captain at the top of manta maria, just a little Easter egg to reward people for trying, kinda reminiscent of yoshi at the top of peach's castle. I hope Nintendo does more of this
its wild how big the captain is tho lmao
soooo what i'm hearing is Big Swig got buffed because of the Kraken meta (since it has both ink wall and ink vac which sorta counters kraken) 👀
AND if i recall correctly the roller itself got an object shredding buff as well to deal w/ crabs??
big swig top tier era starts now babes
big swiggers are very happy with this
BIG SWIG SWEEEEP!!
Yup. It can shred 96gal wall, shred crab, inkvac kraken. I'm interested to see more Big Swig players
Its still big swig though.
Still hits as hard as a squeaky chicken
Two more things to note about the Kraken,
1. Since you're technically in swim form you still go through grates and wire railings like the ones on Manta, meaning if you're not careful you could fall through the stage or accidentally dash through a wall
2. And along with being in swim form, if you're using Ninja you can immediately swim away without creating a ripple.
It also means you cant use kraken to push across the grate bridge on scorch gorge, or any other grate bridge for that matter
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As a Tenta Brella main, not only does Ink Vac counter it, the canopy also stops the momentum of it.
Finally the Tent has SOMETHING
Us Brella Mains on serious levels of copium.
(I main Undercover Brella)
And don’t forget the completely random ability to sometimes send the kraken straight through the floor with the shield!
It’s so weird that they took away Krakens knockback and superjump, it just feels so random
It still has knockback , but now it's less noticeable because it can use the charged attack to become immune to said knockback.
The removal of the Super-jump I can only think is due to its longer duration; but even then it's odd.
@@CoolMintMC they probably just didn't think to add it in the code if I had to guess
You can swim while holding the chump launcher! I can see that being some sort of niche to spam it
Kraken basically outclasses reefslider while still not being too op. Reefslider needs either a very major buff or a rework, or even change the special altogether.
The kraken against crab testing was crazy on stream, glad that you had part of the video dedicated to it
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since we now have kraken, CRB is a logical next step but i was thinking what if intensify action increased the speed that jump rng decayed so that 2-3 subs of it was able to give similar jump rng performance to 1 where it decayed fast enough to be reliable and, controllable, instead of just giving it the shooter jumprng curve
No, IAU is fine as is 😭
What’s crb?
@@raviolinoob4435 Custom Range Blaster.
@@raviolinoob4435 custom range blaster, had splat bomb and kraken in 1
@splatnt ooooooh
Seeing Chara's absolute confusion at the Kraken vs Crab matchup was hilarious
I hope there will be more kits for the Splatanas and Stringers.
I think super chump might be neat on tri stringer, maybe with torpedo or ink mine(kinda lowballing maybe but still)
I wonder who that Tech guy is
Amazing video as always Chara, sorta sad to see Reef doesn’t instakill or at least do significant knockback to Kraken
Reef is trash, so it makes sense.
Kraken is invincible why would it kill
@@Inmortuae2233 I mean I hoped it was HP
@@techguy4566 thank god its not. I would be so bad if it was
I love how Kraken feels in this game compared to Splatoon 1. Plus it's so nice to have a reliable counter to... a LOT of specials
From what I saw in the Crab vs Kraken:
Kraken's charge seems to be a constantly moving hitbox that may pierce through crab if the charge hits two times, for that to happen you can't be either to close or too far else only one hit of the charge will hit whereas mid range can hit twice after the Crab's i-frames, I guess it's because the endlag of the charge makes it slower but it's still an active hitbox so your displacement is enough to have ut hit too times instead of one
I guess I foreshadowed a bunch of videos back. Octo kraken is now a thing, just not in Splatoon 1.
I wonder if it would make balancing sense for the Tower to just ignore the Kraken completely.
Kraken on the Tower by itself: acts like nobody is on it
Kraken on the Tower with non-Kraken teammate(s): acts like your team has control
Kraken on the Tower with an enemy: acts like the enemy team has control for as long as that brave soul can survive
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about kraken versus crab
maybe it isn't "really" a distance thing.
i think maybe the numbers are just weirdly calculated and leads to the crab tank always needing three attacks from a kraken (bc object damage). perhaps the dash attack consists of three consecutive hitboxes, meaning if you space it right you just simply hit him three times within the same attack.
i am sure this doesnt work if crab is walking towards the kraken.
also does this work the same way if the crabs weakpoint is facing you?
either way i am sure they will patch this soon.
hehehe the splash wall one… good. Really crazy when you think about big swig having wall and vac… 😈😈😈
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If Baller got slowed down by Toxic Mist, then Kraken definitely should too.
I’m starting to see a pattern here with Kraken i don’t like. I cannot tell you how many Tower Control games I’ve lost because someone pops kraken on the tower and spams the jump attack until they win. I feel like this could be fixed by just not letting the Kracken push the tower forward.
I bet you’re happy to have your glasses back.
That crab kraken thing is probably a hit box thing. From far away the damaging part of the hit box is probably already done before it gets the chance to hit the player, and from too close the hit box probably shows at the front of the kraken before covering the back of the kraken so you are far past them before the hitbox actually covers the rear of the kraken, that or the start of the dash is faster than the mid part of its dash that it just goes through it too fast for the hit box to hit then. Just a guess from someone who has seen his fair share of fight game and monster hunter hit boxes.
Laughed so hard at "It's a f*cking range in the middle." SWEETSPOT CHARA I love you.
Love your videos!
Im 100 for this if this kicks crab from S+ tier into S tier
To explain why the mid range works:
At close range, the kraken dash moves too fast and will overshoot the rider after their invulnerability period ends.
At mid range, the kraken dash is moving slow enough to not overshoot the rider and kills.
At long range, the kraken dash's attack doesn't last long enough to hit the rider after their invulnerability period ends.
You can still get the speed buff from taticooler as the kraken, my sister wanted to test it out for herself
Kraken and tri zooka superjumping not working are two of my most hated changes
I feel while Kraken should keep its invincibility, Splatoon 3 should take a page from, weirdly enough, Xenoblade 3’s book in its Ouroboros Mechanics and make it so that taking damage decreases the duration you can stay in Kraken, and surging does the same thing. That way you can’t be killed in Kraken but attacking it does more to hinder it than just knock back, and being super aggressive with Kraken means you get to do less with it, like Zipcaster.
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Not being able to hit an ink vac user with Kraken makes zero sense to me. I can excuse the regular jump attacks, but you cannot make a good case against the charge attack. If you get hit head-on by a giant squid, you'll be hurt by that no matter what you have with/on you.
If you get on those grated areas in Scorch Gorge and Manta Maria, then have someone Super Jump to you, will they be able to just camp up there?
Were the ink vaccs I was fighting just...bad then? I swear to god I kraken charged directly into the front of a few ink vacc players and 1 shotted them.
While they DID remove kraken super jumps they gave us something much worse. You can use kraken like splashdown mid super jump and it’s a bigger threat to camping a super jump marker than super chump is
Wait, i'm curious: are you able to super jump to someone who has gotten to the top of the mast on Manta Maria with their zipcaster? I ask because I want to know if it's possible to put a beacon up there.
I think part of the reason the crab wasn't getting 1shot by kraken at the end was the ramp, maybe the angle made it so that it was just hitting the crab and not the player
I’m sad that gear ability doesn’t effect kraken anymore but I’m still having fun with it
Reefslider needs something man. Like they need to buff it until it seems cartoonishly strong.
one random thing ive enjoyed doing with kraken is just sitting on the tower control tower with it on if we're near the end just so the enemy cant kill us super last minute, smart strat if i say so myself
It looks like if you have special power up it makes it last abit longer idk if I'm correct tho
I clipped out of bounce in a match because of a tenta brella when I was using kraken
2:00 on one hand ,it’s a very sad news but on the other hand it would have been way too busted.
Day one of commenting on chara’s videos until a splatana gets kraken
Seeing Chara with the og drip brings back so many memories and treasures
The persona dancing music is really fitting!
I discovered the vacuum thing earlier by accident and was so excited 😭 confused a bunch of people with that
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You should test if the poles are the best cover. I think they may be the best thing for this patch.
Eyo, Pokken music I hear.
96 countering 96 lmao
As someone who played Splatoon 1, I revel in the fact I can punish krakens more easily now >:)
Pokken music ❤
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Kraken seems op
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I was 100% convinced intensify action was allowing me to charge Karen attacks faster. That's placebos for you I guess.
The tech with/without os on kraken vs crab is fascinating, wonder if the devs are trying to give players a hard counter to crab.
Early ganggg
ハンコやジェッパなど余り目立たなかったスペシャルが環境を握っていたカニタンクへの対抗策スペシャルになったのはとても素晴らしい調整だと思います。
そして今後カニタンクに置き換わり環境に入るスペシャルとされるテイオウイカが未だ評価が下のいるキューインキで防げてしまうのですからスペシャルの強い弱いの関係性はちょうど良く収まっていると想います。
Casually I’m glad gear doesn’t affect Kraken (except Special Power Up of course) since I’d imagine it’d make it easier to balance and i dont have to feel like im extra-nerfed when using ninja squid or that by using swim speed (which im already gonna be using) all of a sudden my special is randomly super buffed
removing super jumps though is unfortunate but does make it more committal I guess
Nothing meta at all but I just enjoy trolling the Kraken. The fact that you can swim right under it so long as it's not charge-attacking at you makes for some fun juke play. Sad that it can't super jump tho'
Still prefer glorious bomb-rush master race on Splash over Crab Dank 💀
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Ink wall and ink vac work against kraken you say... BIG SWIG SWEEEEP!!
Maybe whats happening with kraken on crab tank is you deal damage passing through and then damage from the explosion at the end, maybe theres some moment in the middle where the damage ticks over and does another bit of damage if you catch it at the right point in the middle of the dash, idk thats how it kinda feels to me
So yeah, kraken needs to be needed already. I was dreading this moment, never having played splatoon 1 before. But had the opportunity to face it in tower and clam now, and it's just obsurd, the fact that it actually leaves you invincible is so stupid, don't know why it's not health based like every other rideable special.
maybe I'm wrong but kraken is a bit strong from what I've seen so far. I haven't seen much counterplay since shooting at it doesn't really help (all I can do now is climb walls and spam squid rolls which doesn't actually parry a charged shot or use an unreliable brella or reliable yet slow splash wall) but if this is nintendo's way of trying to make ink vac more relevant then I guess it's pretty nice. I feel bad for stamp. The only somewhat unique thing it now has over other specials is a stealth insta kill (jumping out of ink) and a single projectile that can one-shot a crab. When I saw kraken released my first thoughts were that it would make reefslider and stamp irrelevant since kraken is just a better version of them; it is a shame to be correct sometimes.
I wish there were more specials that could be countered by something OTHER THAN ANOTHER SPECIAL
Really wish you could hold the kraken back with shooters like you could in splatoon 1. That would make it much less frustrating to play against. Also, on TC kraken is a nightmare.
I figured out Kraken vs. Crab!
If you notice, when you charge attack (without squid rolling) with Kraken, it hits twice during the duration of the attack You can even see two flashes when you successfully splat the crab player. If you're too far, only your last hit will land, and if you're too close, only your first hit will land. By being mid-range, both hits will land, causing the crab to break on the first hit and the player to splat on the second.
Heyo guys I have one question so I’m not really knowledged about gear and abilities and stuff like that and I really wanna know how special power up effects the kraken if ya can help me it would be very kind :)
My theory why kraken vs crab is so wierd is that mid range slows down just enough to keep the kitbox by the player until they fall into it while it is just short enough that the hitbox is still active. From far away, the hitbox disappears before the player can be killed and at short range you move too fast to hit them with the hitbox. Overall, kraken is kind of busted because you can negate any substantial amount of knockback with the charge attack then just one shot them, two shot at worst.
WAIT, SERIOUSLY!? I know I use Ink Vac because of Booyah bomb, but HOW DOES IT WORK ON KRAKEN!?
I'm in the bathroom rn and this helped me thank yoy so much BroChara 🙏🙏🙏👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Never played Splatoon 1 and I’m already getting the full kraken experience
i never played S1 but knew kraken was broken. i dont understand why the dev team brought it back ngl 😂😂 but at least i know some counters. when tf am i gonna use sum w ink vac tho 🤔
Something tells me Nintendo wanted people to use Super Chump like at 2:08. If they did, the message wasn't clear, to say the least.
I see Chara you already found ur octoglasses!!! They were a favorite of mine in S2 now you almost have your old Krapid gear back!!
Well I guess there's now a way to more easily deal with creb without sharking/sniping. Neat
My theory for the crab tank shenanigans is that since the animation has the kraken spinning when the hitbox is propped up (when the kraken is side ways), it can reach the inkling/octoling on top of the crab tank because it’s tall enough
I don’t really think ink vac countering kraken is a big thing. The kraken can just charge away from it and go somewhere else.
Oh? Ink vac counters kraken? Ink vac mid tier? COPIUM
Super chump shouldn’t have the cooldown. It is pretty weak so I needs something
Super chump seems really weak. you cant really make use of the fake super jump markers, pitiful damage, easily gets destroyed, etc. L special
Sad that tenta brella already has a vacuum kit, would've loved seeing a "kraken tamer" kit
Sooo Big Swig Full counters Kraken users basically?
Octoglasses are back in fresh season. Bought mine in the shops today
I have been wondering does swim speed up and intensify action actually work with kraken?
Finally, .96 Gal deco with kraken has returned! :)
the attack animation and the charged attack's hitbox ends as soon as it manages to hit the crab which might be why it can't be done from too far away. and when it's done really close, since I think the rider doesn't immediately go to the ground the moment it's destroyed and instead remains in the air for a few moments the charged attack overshoots it just enough for the crab rider to survive
wack shit lmao
how good are the map changes by the way? I've only seen some of them the ones I've seen don't seem all that impactful
Chara, it is at least affected by Ninja Squid…or at least when I tried.