Back in the late 60.'s my dad bought me one of these for my birthday. Back then it was called the Mini trail 50, it had a 3 speed Auto clutch and was the talk of the neighborhood
Oh yes, then on to the Trail 70, after that I got a XR-75 and never looked back. But those little trail bikes were the beginners choice and seemed indestructible.
The Trail 5o has spawned countless clones and is probably the most iconic mini-bike in history. The style was sold in India, Pakistan and China for decades as reliable transportation of the working class and immigrants alike....much like a Toyota Corolla is around the world, today. Sales to youth, were a fraction of what they were sold to adults in the US. In the US, unless you were well off, kids got JC Penney and Montgomery Wards mini-bikes. Adults, seniors and retirees got Trail 50's and Trail 90's.
I test rode a Grom recently and loved it. However when I saw this on the Honda website I went with the heart over my head. Put a deposit down and she comes in July! In Australia it was an extra $1500... Build quality is supposed to be a significant step up though.
Jimmy W cool! I own a ruckus and I only get to use it twice a month at most is kind of slow at 49cc. I was thinking of getting a Grom but I would rather get this.
People said the Grom was overpriced when it came out, but that didn't stop it from selling like light bars at a lifted truck meet. Anyone complaining about the price probably won't buy one anyway.
Skyerzen 4k more you can get a supersport 600 and 4k more you can get a litre bike and 4k more you can get a full size adv bike. See Everyone can play that 4k more game now
I think you missed the point. I was commenting on how cheap the MT09 is for it's displacement. I was about to ride when I typed that, I don't think it was a fully developed thought.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised about the 6K. It looks great but I wonder how soon you'd get sick of it. Might be some good value second hand ones in a couple of years.
Just purchased a Monkey in red non-ABS. So cool and a blast to ride......those that balk at the price, it is what it is. Either buy one or don't......but I can tell you they are a blast to ride and I'm so glad Honda is building retro bikes like this. Well worth the $$ to me.
I love my HONDA MB5! It is the most fun i've ever had, on any bike i've owned over the decades, both large and small. The MB5 was a 2-stroke, 5-speed, 7.1 HP, 50cc screamer, with a cool little powerband, and a top speed of 53 MPH. Looks like a mini Ducati... a work of art. I get tons more looks and comments than my Honda Monkey 125, even though I love this Monkey bike too. The 2 stroke engine sound is awesome on the MB5! Cost $599 brand new back in 1982, the only year the MB5 was exported to the U.S.
I expect this video to get a million views. I see the price tag is turning a lot of people off. I think it is over priced too, but since no one wants to pay that amount, I guess I don’t have to worry about it being hard to find at a dealership.
Talk about bringing back childhood memories! My Dad brought us home a red Honda Monkey 50 from Japan back in 1971. He loaded it onto a USAF C-141 disassembled in all of his duffle bags (He was the Loadmaster). The following year he brought home the DAX, known as the Trail 70 here in the states. Not sure if I'll buy one of the new ones at that crazy price tag, since it will be a toy. But will be watching the used market in a couple of years as well.
I still own my 1968 Honda Mini Trail in Yellow. This was the first year this model came out. I got my bike when I was 12. It still run great. I just rebuilt the carburetor. My model came with no headlight with white grips.
Have almost no experience riding. Had a 650 dirt bike 14 years ago but only had for a month. Ive owned this bike for 1.5 days and i bet i could already pass the skills test for my license. I am surprised how easy this little bike is to ride. Been practicing my maneuvering, fast starts and stops, swerving, etc in a nearby empty parking lot.
Your other options are to buy a normal Grom and replace literally every piece on it with retro looking parts, or buy a shitty Chinese knockoff that will break down in a month...
Pak Pik Puk Go to hell Honda. With your back stabbing 2019 "Monkey Bike." When u see manufactures like this, mocking u, u can pray4 their destruction. If u 5 star review them, or merely sit on the fence, &move on? while some1 is getting raped? how hard is it 2ask Yeah 2send His angels instead - 2destroy that person? He will honor that. In 1994 I devastated California with most expensive disaster in USA history. Northridge earthquake. Why? I was legitimately angry with California. Yah honored that. I don't care what your name is. Or how big u think u are. I'm the engineer king of kings so believe me I know. (with motorcycles) My last bike was XL 600r 1987. I quit riding when all manufactures started 2go 2absolute hell. The engineers are literally demons, fallen angels, back stabbing humans &their bikes CURSED. These are really stupid, poisonous people . Beings. Everything's engineered 2suck in money. All sorts of defincientcies deliberately engineered in2 fuel their wallets while hordes of frosting plastered on bikes 2cater 2glamour appeal. The whole industry is garbage absolute irreparable venom now. I remember when@ some point they didn't even list specifications anymore. Thnew breed of buyers are (poisonous) women mentality. (fashion) ..&Gut feel. Thbikes are grossly overpriced it's hiway robbery. $12,000 for a 450cc trail bike. Satan as always leads. Unlike me, he has a massive fetish4 new stuff as he puts it. We spoke with him about this just last year. That's bcuz he was never satisfied 2begin with which is why he fell. Yahweh told us he was ALWAYS insecure. He was Yahweh's 1st ever created son. Bikes stopped getting better. Began looking better instead. Feeling better while performing far worse. Hell now days u can't repair a bike. U have2 dig thru a few Rubics cubes 1st in manuals written by very, very evil people sit in a chair 8 hours figuring out how 2better pack wallets. When u buy a bike now, u buying an advertisement deliberately de engineered 2make u crave next year's model. So u can be a complete whining loser like Satan. That crazy monkey bike with the insanely small wheels is gonna hurt a lot of people. That thing can go 60mph. 20mph is already very fast 2get thrown off a bike. Imagine running as fast as u possibly can into a tree. That's 20 mph 4u. I think all those head trauma guys weren't put in the hospital bcuz of motorcycles. I think it's bcuz of suspension. Or lack of it. That& 800 lb bikes. It took three guys 2 keep a Harley upright crossing a stone creek at 1mph. A nurse told me its all biker head trauma now days. All these guys have2 do is hit a small branch, pothole or rock. I hit 1 rock the size of a fist @45mph. I landed with my front wheel leaving S shaped black marks on the road as it slammed side2 side& down I went worst crash I ever had. There's no reason4 a bike 2b over 300lbs &240lbs is easily achievable. But it should have suspension like "dirt" bike, ergonomic riding position XL600 configuration. Satanist engineering works like this: u engineer a bicycle, then lock that away, &come out with 12 models all designed 2b a compromise of the obvious (maybenot2u) ideal. Well, obvious 2me, I was the bicycle spark plug king of kings beginning 1986. I, we became tired of running with thSatanists. Especially when u people began 5star reviewing them. Hell with that. So I hear Honda "Gold Wing" is 90lbs lighter this year. How heavy is that thing now? Any1 know? If I even worked as a janitor at Honda, thLord WOULDNT have it. Don't even mention them. In heaven everything is all run by magnets &crystals. Free energy. Gas power monkey bikes Satan maintains 2enforce his money chip. Yahweh was explaining to us Satan enjoys mocking people who buy his product. Honestly do not even touch these people.
like it alot. I'd still probably go for a grom, preferably the first gen version, but i'm glad honda is bringing this to N.A., it will sell many i'm sure!
I had the trail 70 mini bikes when I was a kid wish I still had those bikes but I do have my fathers 1968 trail 90 in mint condition. It cool to see modern renditions of old bikes.
Australia charges outrageous import duties on everything. To fund the health care system and all other government programs, money has to come from somewhere. So, you pay.
Our government has just decided that all online purchases from overses are now subject to 10% tax. Amazon has decided its too hard so is ceasing all delivery to us NPD (A huge car parts company) are doing the same :(
OMG OMG I had a 1976 Z50 in yellow, it was already old and worn out when I got it, but I loved it anyway. The only thing this one is missing to be a grown-up version of it is the little luggage rack behind the seat over the tail light.
Love it! Thought it was a great concept when it was first teased, and the final product totally lives up to it, capturing the usability and modern feel of the Grom with the classic look of the old 50s. Wish I was in a position to be buying a bike like this really
Also for everyone getting your knickers in a twist over the price, a 2018 Grom is over $4 equivalent here in the UK, and that's made of plastic. Take a look at the real world
Looking forward to episodes of Monkeykhana! Such a silly, wonderful, ridiculous, awesome motorcycle! I hope Monkey MCs start up and hold massive rallys.
Reminds me of what my Brother & I built in the basement with an old lawn-mower engine... FUN to ride around in our big backyard, and some trails into the woods, or even down the road a short way to the convenience store. Of course, this one is MUCH better 'engineered' and well-finished... And I think it looks GREAT! ...but just NOT a $4,000 vehicle for my budget...
Its over twice as big as the original. Most of us that learned on those are closer to ten times bigger than we were then! I miss the knobs for the fold down handlebars.
What's scary is something about that bike actually appeals to me. There will be another bike in my garage in the near future but it's not going to be a mini bike.
The Suzuki Van Van 200 Is A Way better Deal As A Throwback Bike For The Price Of That Honda. I Bought One Brand New Recently And It's The Funniest Ride I've Ever Owned. Very Stable And Solid.
That is WAY bigger than the original, If I would have known how valuable these would have been I would have bought a dozen and there them in a storage locker 30 years ago!
all these "overpriced" comments and people wonder why Honda does not import Asian market cool bikes like the CBR250RR to the USA anymore. Ofcourse its expensive because inflation applies to factory overheads too. You don't earn the same pay you did 10 years ago so you cannot expect new products to be priced on par with a 6 year old product
cagednm69 There are plently of leftover Ninja 300s and R3s going for $4k. Of corse they skimped out on certain parts on those bikes, but they are still better than the Monkey in every measurable way.
Andrew Mack they're built in Asia and hence cheaper. The minute they export it the import duties make it expensive. Honda makes cbr250rr in Indonesia for $5k but charges Japan as much as $9k
I'm not so sure that the price difference is about Tax/Duties, as much as it's about how much the Japanese market will pay. It's the same with most western countries. For many years it was cheaper to buy a new bike/car in Germany or Holland and import it to the UK, where bikes were a bit more expensive. Tax/Duties was only a portion of the price difference and wasn't enough to justify all the price difference then.
Where are you buying a new Grom for $2K? They retail for $3399 and dealers sell out of them. $500 more for a bunch of new and higher quality parts isnt a lot of money.
Mach Smith ive never seen any grom for 2k. Cheapest was like 2400 and it had some miles on it. And now with the chinese tarrifs the china grom clones dissappearing are going to make the groms hold their value even more
I wish I were at the Smoky Mountain Crawl so that I could have seen this thing. It looks awesome! That airbox though! Holy crap that needs to be deleted! This thing is going to be SO awesome with a Dinger Built intake, a sweet, lower profile, high clearance, thoaty exhaust, some pro taper bars, and maxxis 6024s! So legit! Lets get some round number plates for the sides too!
I had a honda mini-bike like this one in 1974. It wasn't 125cc though, I think it was something smaller. Seat looks the same. Mine was virtually indestructible, I jumped it all the time, crashed it a lot and it held up.
if it was half the price, i might be interested. but before i would ever consider one, the aftermarket would have to get rid of that protruding, leg (and ass) burning exhaust pipe
ThroughFallenEyes I mean, I'm decently sure a company as big and well regarded as Honda designed the pipe to not burn you. Maybe hold judgement until you actually sit on one? They wouldn't make a bike you couldn't sit on. How daft do you think that sounds?
T0BBi94 so you’d buy one? I think what people are trying to say is that this is priced so high that it isn’t too far from a “real” motorcycle. I like it for the nostalgia factor but I think 4K just for nostalgia would be a tough sell for most. Then again I’m sure it has to do more with the emissions crap driving up the price. The off highway equivalent is like $2800 from Honda.
The want is strong. I’ll admit, would be much more interested at more like the $3k mark. And ABS on a Monkey bike is, well, a pointless waste of money. At least it’s optional so the buyer can save their $200 to put toward a smaller and lighter pipe. Overall, super cool, really want one, $4k is a bit steep. Looking forward to the full review!
OH wow, never thought of that. Thanks so much for the very informative information. Could you be a little more of a douche and explain to me how to get one? Any help would be greatly helpful.
Hmmm the groms got that single mono rear spring ... so this is probably heavier than a grom si ? Is it meant to be more of a trail rated thing or about the same as the grom... For the $500 savings you might as well go for the grom unless your just want that retro thing going on... Or are they jacking up the price on the Grom too ?
That's me too. Never had one as a kid, so I'm getting one. Also like the idea of a restored 70's one to go with it. You're never too old to have a happy childhood.
I love the new Honda Monkey and may buy one in the aftermarket for $2000 or so. The 1969 Z50 Minitrail came out when I was 15 years old. The $235 price was impossible for a kid to pay. A new CB450 was $1,095 in 1970 and I got one for that price. A CB750 was $1,395 briefly but soon jumped.to $1,695, just $200 less than a new VW Bug that year. If you adjust the original Minitrail price for inflation today it would be $1,645, still insurmountable for a kid. So why $4,000 or more for this new Monkey bike. We are talking about 2.43 times the adjusted price for what many might say is the same machine. Not hardly. Here is the scoop. First you have a 125cc engine with a 4 speed manual clutch. Certainly 2.4 times better than a 49cc Minitrail. Second, you have fuel injection and disc brakes with ABS. You have rear shocks, you have LED lights and turn signals. You have the power and speed sufficient to ride legally on the streets at 40mph all day with more to spare. An adult fits comfortably. The oil capacity is 2 litters in the engine and upper tank. You have a wet clutch. There is a speedometer with many indicator lights. It has electric start. The list goes on. If this exact bike had been available in 1969 the price would have been $571.43 or $4,000 in today's money. $571.43 was a lot of money in 1969, but a new Honda CB350 was a mere $200 less than the 450 at $895.00 and a CB175 was $795. The CB125 was $725 so you can see that this new Monkey is fairly priced considering the past. Especially since it has features like fuel injection, ABS and dual disc brakes. Finally, and this is the grand issue. The Japanese no longer toil as a third world nation as they did in 1969. The Japanese economy has inflated far more than has the USA economy. So there you have it. The only issue to me is did Honda target the right bike to the market. There is two answers. In 1969 the little Z50 Minitrail was "state of the art, light years ahead" of Rupp or any other minibikeguy in the USA. This new Monkey likewise follows that tradition. My second thought is what if Honda had exactly copied the 1969 Z50-AK1 and offered it street legal as original for the $1,645 adjusted price? Which would sell more copies? Well, I for one would buy the replica at $1,645 brand new opposed to the 2019 Monkey, but would wish I had both lol. By the way, if you did the math I am almost 65 years old now and lived it all and owned them all over the years. I was founder of the International Mini-bike Association and communicated with Mini-bike enthusiasts from every corner of the earth in that capacity. 😊😊
Let me tell you why this bike will sell (they're gonna sell one to me anyway). I turned fifty years old this year, most of my family are dead and gone, been through ups and downs in life and facing the backside of it, it's hard to find things that make me happy. I can't afford a Vette, don't wanna chase women, and always wanted a Z50 as a kid. Never got one. So this just makes me smile, it makes me happy just thinking about this. I can afford it, it'll make me happy, so just shut up and tell me who has the first one available so I know who to throw my money at! Let me have this little slice of happiness, won't you?
Cool bike. The original Honda monkey bike (Z50) shared an engine with a massive list of other honda products, which spawned a ridiculous modding culture that's still around today. I would love to see the same thing happen to the Grom/2019 Monkey.
Childhood memories. When the mini trail 50 came out, my dad bought one for my brothers and I. We learned how to ride because of the trail 50.
Yes sir... I prefer the hard tail z50s. ride one every day on my acreage. I'll add this little Booger to the arsenal.
I'm getting one (meaning in two years, I will find a used one with 543 miles on it for $1900)
Ichiban Moto LOL, you described every Grom currently on Craigslist. BTW, glad to see you putting out new videos again.
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go for a ride in 2020?
Aaron Fink What state is this? Here in New York they are priced around 3000$ on Craigslist used.
In 4 years I’ll buy it from you for 1200
The attention to detail in making of this little toy amaze me
Back in the late 60.'s my dad bought me one of these for my birthday. Back then it was called the Mini trail 50, it had a 3 speed Auto clutch and was the talk of the neighborhood
Oh yes, then on to the Trail 70, after that I got a XR-75 and never looked back.
But those little trail bikes were the beginners choice and seemed indestructible.
Yea good times. Now try to find some trails to ride in the afternoon without the police writing multipole tickets and taking the bike.
Donald Grant We used to arm ourselves with Daisy bb guns and nobody would care either.
luv we didn't go into schools and shoot up the place ether. The males all seem along these days.
The Trail 5o has spawned countless clones and is probably the most iconic mini-bike in history. The style was sold in India, Pakistan and China for decades as reliable transportation of the working class and immigrants alike....much like a Toyota Corolla is around the world, today.
Sales to youth, were a fraction of what they were sold to adults in the US.
In the US, unless you were well off, kids got JC Penney and Montgomery Wards mini-bikes. Adults, seniors and retirees got Trail 50's and Trail 90's.
I test rode a Grom recently and loved it. However when I saw this on the Honda website I went with the heart over my head. Put a deposit down and she comes in July! In Australia it was an extra $1500... Build quality is supposed to be a significant step up though.
Jimmy W cool! I own a ruckus and I only get to use it twice a month at most is kind of slow at 49cc. I was thinking of getting a Grom but I would rather get this.
People said the Grom was overpriced when it came out, but that didn't stop it from selling like light bars at a lifted truck meet. Anyone complaining about the price probably won't buy one anyway.
Lots of left over 2018 Groms at dealerships right now. Check Ebay.
I'd buy a used one off of kijiji.
OH MY GOSH WHEN I WAS A KID, I LUSTED SO MUCH AFTER THE 1970's HONDA MINI BIKE.... Never got one, could not afford it brings back memories
$4k? Yeah I don’t think so lol
4k more and you can get you ass scared by a MT09...
Skyerzen 4k more you can get a supersport 600 and 4k more you can get a litre bike and 4k more you can get a full size adv bike. See Everyone can play that 4k more game now
I think you missed the point. I was commenting on how cheap the MT09 is for it's displacement. I was about to ride when I typed that, I don't think it was a fully developed thought.
6K in Aus. Grom is 3500 could get a KTM 390 for that.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised about the 6K. It looks great but I wonder how soon you'd get sick of it. Might be some good value second hand ones in a couple of years.
I have never clicked on a video so fast in my life.
Just purchased a Monkey in red non-ABS.
So cool and a blast to ride......those that balk at the price, it is what it is.
Either buy one or don't......but I can tell you they are a blast to ride and I'm so glad Honda is building retro bikes like this.
Well worth the $$ to me.
They should have taken a grom frame, thrown in a crf125 engine, cheaper non halogen lights, and sold it for $2,500. They would sell like hot cakes.
I grew up riding a trail 50 this brings me back to some of my best memories. But $4k is way too much
I started on a Honda QA50 in 1971, it was bought brand new!! Rode that bike for 10+ years.
I love my HONDA MB5! It is the most fun i've ever had, on any bike i've owned over the decades, both large and small. The MB5 was a 2-stroke, 5-speed, 7.1 HP, 50cc screamer, with a cool little powerband, and a top speed of 53 MPH. Looks like a mini Ducati... a work of art. I get tons more looks and comments than my Honda Monkey 125, even though I love this Monkey bike too. The 2 stroke engine sound is awesome on the MB5! Cost $599 brand new back in 1982, the only year the MB5 was exported to the U.S.
I expect this video to get a million views. I see the price tag is turning a lot of people off. I think it is over priced too, but since no one wants to pay that amount, I guess I don’t have to worry about it being hard to find at a dealership.
Man this reminded me of my first bike I learned to ride on, back in the day when I was 9yrs old...It was a 1969 z50... I loved that bike
Just picked up my yellow monkey, as advertised, great bike, great purchase
$3700 private party sale, 290 miles
Talk about bringing back childhood memories! My Dad brought us home a red Honda Monkey 50 from Japan back in 1971. He loaded it onto a USAF C-141 disassembled in all of his duffle bags (He was the Loadmaster). The following year he brought home the DAX, known as the Trail 70 here in the states. Not sure if I'll buy one of the new ones at that crazy price tag, since it will be a toy. But will be watching the used market in a couple of years as well.
That kinda looks like the little Honda 50 with 2 speed automatic that I first learned to ride on many decades ago. Thanks it made me smile. :)
I used to ride the little Honda 50 back in the day, it was lots of fun.
We love this little bike. It really does remind us of the little motorcycles we rode on merry-go-rounds as children. Great overview, thanks.
I love you guys and all your killer reviews! Keep 'em coming! Can't get enough of your vids!
I still own my 1968 Honda Mini Trail in Yellow. This was the first year this model came out. I got my bike when I was 12. It still run great. I just rebuilt the carburetor. My model came with no headlight with white grips.
Have almost no experience riding. Had a 650 dirt bike 14 years ago but only had for a month. Ive owned this bike for 1.5 days and i bet i could already pass the skills test for my license. I am surprised how easy this little bike is to ride. Been practicing my maneuvering, fast starts and stops, swerving, etc in a nearby empty parking lot.
It's like a hipster grom... I love it.
One of the most beautiful bikes ive seen lately
*overpriced*
Your other options are to buy a normal Grom and replace literally every piece on it with retro looking parts, or buy a shitty Chinese knockoff that will break down in a month...
People said the same sort of things about Japanese bikes in the '60s, and the Cub killed the British Motorcycle industry.
Pak Pik Puk Go to hell Honda. With your back stabbing 2019 "Monkey Bike." When u see manufactures like this, mocking u, u can pray4 their destruction.
If u 5 star review them, or merely sit on the fence, &move on? while some1 is getting raped? how hard is it 2ask Yeah 2send His angels instead - 2destroy that person? He will honor that. In 1994 I devastated California with most expensive disaster in USA history. Northridge earthquake. Why? I was legitimately angry with California. Yah honored that. I don't care what your name is. Or how big u think u are.
I'm the engineer king of kings so believe me I know. (with motorcycles)
My last bike was XL 600r 1987. I quit riding when all manufactures started 2go 2absolute hell. The engineers are literally demons, fallen angels, back stabbing humans &their bikes CURSED. These are really stupid, poisonous people . Beings.
Everything's engineered 2suck in money. All sorts of defincientcies deliberately engineered in2 fuel their wallets while hordes of frosting plastered on bikes 2cater 2glamour appeal. The whole industry is garbage absolute irreparable venom now. I remember when@ some point they didn't even list specifications anymore. Thnew breed of buyers are (poisonous) women mentality. (fashion) ..&Gut feel.
Thbikes are grossly overpriced it's hiway robbery. $12,000 for a 450cc trail bike.
Satan as always leads. Unlike me, he has a massive fetish4 new stuff as he puts it. We spoke with him about this just last year. That's bcuz he was never satisfied 2begin with which is why he fell. Yahweh told us he was ALWAYS insecure. He was Yahweh's 1st ever created son.
Bikes stopped getting better. Began looking better instead. Feeling better while performing far worse. Hell now days u can't repair a bike. U have2 dig thru a few Rubics cubes 1st in manuals written by very, very evil people sit in a chair 8 hours figuring out how 2better pack wallets.
When u buy a bike now, u buying an advertisement deliberately de engineered 2make u crave next year's model. So u can be a complete whining loser like Satan.
That crazy monkey bike with the insanely small wheels is gonna hurt a lot of people. That thing can go 60mph. 20mph is already very fast 2get thrown off a bike. Imagine running as fast as u possibly can into a tree. That's 20 mph 4u. I think all those head trauma guys weren't put in the hospital bcuz of motorcycles. I think it's bcuz of suspension. Or lack of it. That& 800 lb bikes. It took three guys 2 keep a Harley upright crossing a stone creek at 1mph.
A nurse told me its all biker head trauma now days.
All these guys have2 do is hit a small branch, pothole or rock.
I hit 1 rock the size of a fist @45mph. I landed with my front wheel leaving S shaped black marks on the road as it slammed side2 side& down I went worst crash I ever had.
There's no reason4 a bike 2b over 300lbs &240lbs is easily achievable. But it should have suspension like "dirt" bike, ergonomic riding position XL600 configuration.
Satanist engineering works like this: u engineer a bicycle, then lock that away, &come out with 12 models all designed 2b a compromise of the obvious (maybenot2u) ideal.
Well, obvious 2me, I was the bicycle spark plug king of kings beginning 1986. I, we became tired of running with thSatanists. Especially when u people began 5star reviewing them. Hell with that.
So I hear Honda "Gold Wing" is 90lbs lighter this year.
How heavy is that thing now? Any1 know?
If I even worked as a janitor at Honda, thLord WOULDNT have it. Don't even mention them.
In heaven everything is all run by magnets &crystals. Free energy. Gas power monkey bikes Satan maintains 2enforce his money chip.
Yahweh was explaining to us Satan enjoys mocking people who buy his product.
Honestly do not even touch these people.
pak pik puk 2750 usd would be reasonable
This thing will be worth money as the years go by though,look at all the people restoring all the old z50s,they’re awesome
In my opinion The 80’s Z50’s are still the coolest looking 50’s produced. I have 2 I restored. 84 and 87. Cool Lil Bikes.
like it alot. I'd still probably go for a grom, preferably the first gen version, but i'm glad honda is bringing this to N.A., it will sell many i'm sure!
I had the trail 70 mini bikes when I was a kid wish I still had those bikes but I do have my fathers 1968 trail 90 in mint condition. It cool to see modern renditions of old bikes.
That’s awesome - I want one. So much better than an actual vintage.
$6000 down here in Australia. They will struggle at that price.
TBF most places are doing 5k now -on road costs which are about $250
Australia charges outrageous import duties on everything. To fund the health care system and all other government programs, money has to come from somewhere. So, you pay.
Our government has just decided that all online purchases from overses are now subject to 10% tax. Amazon has decided its too hard so is ceasing all delivery to us NPD (A huge car parts company) are doing the same :(
Better than NZ. We even can’t buy one
...and you can get the Honda Monkey bike all for $1995.00.
Honda, you listening?
I miss that old wing logo from honda. I loved those on the 1960's I learned on as a kid.
OMG OMG I had a 1976 Z50 in yellow, it was already old and worn out when I got it, but I loved it anyway. The only thing this one is missing to be a grown-up version of it is the little luggage rack behind the seat over the tail light.
Love it! Thought it was a great concept when it was first teased, and the final product totally lives up to it, capturing the usability and modern feel of the Grom with the classic look of the old 50s. Wish I was in a position to be buying a bike like this really
Also for everyone getting your knickers in a twist over the price, a 2018 Grom is over $4 equivalent here in the UK, and that's made of plastic. Take a look at the real world
Looking forward to episodes of Monkeykhana! Such a silly, wonderful, ridiculous, awesome motorcycle! I hope Monkey MCs start up and hold massive rallys.
Cool. Looking forward to some Monkeykhana!
Too bad I cant post pictures of my
1972 honda z50 (candy gold color) street legal. It will BLOW the doors off this 2019 bike 😎
My dad used to ride one of these when I was a kid. The Honda Chally and the Honda Chappy.
Not really in the market for this bike but I think it’s awesome that Honda made the monkey modern.
when i heard that thing start up, in my head i said "aww"
Reminds me of what my Brother & I built in the basement with an old lawn-mower engine...
FUN to ride around in our big backyard, and some trails into the woods, or even down the road a short way to the convenience store.
Of course, this one is MUCH better 'engineered' and well-finished... And I think it looks GREAT!
...but just NOT a $4,000 vehicle for my budget...
Digging it for sure. Will be on the lookout for gently used versions that are being sold off the back of RVs in a few years.
Its over twice as big as the original. Most of us that learned on those are closer to ten times bigger than we were then! I miss the knobs for the fold down handlebars.
Reminds me of my old mini trail 50 from 40 years ago. 4 grand sounds steep but you could ride it around forever.
As an 1983 Z50R owner I can tell you the frame is pure monkey/Z50. The engine is from the Grom.
This is gonna be so cool! Thanks for the First Look!
What's scary is something about that bike actually appeals to me. There will be another bike in my garage in the near future but it's not going to be a mini bike.
The Suzuki Van Van 200 Is A Way better Deal As A Throwback Bike For The Price Of That Honda. I Bought One Brand New Recently And It's The Funniest Ride I've Ever Owned. Very Stable And Solid.
That is WAY bigger than the original, If I would have known how valuable these would have been I would have bought a dozen and there them in a storage locker 30 years ago!
The styling of this bike is beautiful would be cool to see this in a full bigsize version with a 300 motor.
Absolutely buying one. It'll look good next to my 2014 grom
great choice of pocket knife Ari! I carry the same Kershaw 1776 in Grey!
I had a Z50R. When these hit the used market... oh man
I'm still waiting for someone to make a 250-400cc mini bike. 125s just can't cut it as soon as you get into the faster speed limits.
all these "overpriced" comments and people wonder why Honda does not import Asian market cool bikes like the CBR250RR to the USA anymore. Ofcourse its expensive because inflation applies to factory overheads too. You don't earn the same pay you did 10 years ago so you cannot expect new products to be priced on par with a 6 year old product
cagednm69 Inflation is a thing but this 125 is literaly the same price as the 300 bikes. Plus all its competitors are cheaper.
cagednm69 There are plently of leftover Ninja 300s and R3s going for $4k. Of corse they skimped out on certain parts on those bikes, but they are still better than the Monkey in every measurable way.
cagednm69, are you sure they're a similar price in Asia...Most stuff is much cheaper to buy there.
Andrew Mack they're built in Asia and hence cheaper. The minute they export it the import duties make it expensive. Honda makes cbr250rr in Indonesia for $5k but charges Japan as much as $9k
I'm not so sure that the price difference is about Tax/Duties, as much as it's about how much the Japanese market will pay. It's the same with most western countries. For many years it was cheaper to buy a new bike/car in Germany or Holland and import it to the UK, where bikes were a bit more expensive. Tax/Duties was only a portion of the price difference and wasn't enough to justify all the price difference then.
Why all the shock at the price? A grom near me is about 4k out the door for a new model matching the year it is.
Some dude A Grom is close to $2,000. If you are paying almost double for it OTD then imagine how much a $4,000 bike will cost.
Where are you buying a new Grom for $2K? They retail for $3399 and dealers sell out of them. $500 more for a bunch of new and higher quality parts isnt a lot of money.
CorkKNIFE Im not even seeing USED groms with 8k miles on them on craigslist for 2k yet
Some dude it was B.S, they don't sell for 2k. used and abused at 2k
Mach Smith ive never seen any grom for 2k. Cheapest was like 2400 and it had some miles on it. And now with the chinese tarrifs the china grom clones dissappearing are going to make the groms hold their value even more
Gorgeous and worth every penny.
Now this is something that hits home with me waaaay more than the grom, which looks like it's trying a bit too much to look grown up.
4k seems pretty reasonable to me. Also Ari, looking vascular man haha
I had a Q 50 when I was a kid, looked just like that. 👍
Just get a mini Trail 50. Those are classic and will hold their value wonderfully.
Sweet getting to be at the reveal in townsend with Ari and Spenser!
So it will be available in the states? But with that price I might have to wait a few more years and get a used one.
I wish I were at the Smoky Mountain Crawl so that I could have seen this thing. It looks awesome! That airbox though! Holy crap that needs to be deleted! This thing is going to be SO awesome with a Dinger Built intake, a sweet, lower profile, high clearance, thoaty exhaust, some pro taper bars, and maxxis 6024s! So legit! Lets get some round number plates for the sides too!
wow, people have wanted this for a long time. hopefully there will be a run and alot on the used market
People are acting surprised that a brand new, better looking Grom variant with nicer features isn't $1.900 brand new.
If it was $2500 then hell yes! So sick of the overpricing.
The blinking in the dash as if it's saying *Ride Me, Senpai*
I had a honda mini-bike like this one in 1974. It wasn't 125cc though, I think it was something smaller. Seat looks the same. Mine was virtually indestructible, I jumped it all the time, crashed it a lot and it held up.
With Honda ,I am not surprised at all at the 4K price....
if it was half the price, i might be interested. but before i would ever consider one, the aftermarket would have to get rid of that protruding, leg (and ass) burning exhaust pipe
ThroughFallenEyes I mean, I'm decently sure a company as big and well regarded as Honda designed the pipe to not burn you. Maybe hold judgement until you actually sit on one? They wouldn't make a bike you couldn't sit on. How daft do you think that sounds?
Yeah that pipe looked rather awkward.
Half the Price..get real
People expect Honda to give bikes away for free just because the bike falls in the fun little toy bike catagory...
T0BBi94 so you’d buy one? I think what people are trying to say is that this is priced so high that it isn’t too far from a “real” motorcycle. I like it for the nostalgia factor but I think 4K just for nostalgia would be a tough sell for most. Then again I’m sure it has to do more with the emissions crap driving up the price. The off highway equivalent is like $2800 from Honda.
The want is strong. I’ll admit, would be much more interested at more like the $3k mark. And ABS on a Monkey bike is, well, a pointless waste of money. At least it’s optional so the buyer can save their $200 to put toward a smaller and lighter pipe.
Overall, super cool, really want one, $4k is a bit steep. Looking forward to the full review!
$4000! Holy dollar bills Batman. Honda....really?
Get a job, son!
OH wow, never thought of that. Thanks so much for the very informative information. Could you be a little more of a douche and explain to me how to get one?
Any help would be greatly helpful.
I could buy one today cash. Would i pay 4k for that well no.
A little pricey, but there's no getting past it's cool factor, love it!
Does this mean us guys who have orig z50s value will go up?
Nice second hand toy for me to get next summer at half the price, looking forward to this one
Wish Yamaha did something like this with the TW. Just a little more grunt then the grom and more comfy for full-size people.
I don't care about the price! I love it!
I love it! 😍 But 4K!? Hell no!
@ 1:34 - That low clearance pipe could be a problem if the bike is ridden hard in the dirt or the street....
And here I was hoping it'd be cool and come with a 250 or 500 on it.......
joshua morin 500cc on that little frame would be awesome and maybe a little terrifying.
Brian Byrne it would be brilliant!!!
Yes, a better looking Grom !! It's beautiful
My Dad bought me a 1970 Honda Mini-Trail 50 brand new from the Dealership for $350.00 cash! My how things have changed!
alot of better things to buy with $4k USD...what are you thinking??
Hmmm the groms got that single mono rear spring ... so this is probably heavier than a grom si ? Is it meant to be more of a trail rated thing or about the same as the grom... For the $500 savings you might as well go for the grom unless your just want that retro thing going on... Or are they jacking up the price on the Grom too ?
super cool but for 4000 dollars i cant justify a neighborhood only bike like this.
Overpriced but that's not going to hurt sales. This thing sells itself imo.
Honda rehashes the old Grom, and the reviewers lose their minds with excitement. Let's see some exciting new bikes that people really want.
it'll sell... a 40 something who was denied a minibike 30 something years ago will get one for his 2.6 kids and ride it himself
Jamie E ima buy one for sure and I’m gonna buy a restored early 70s one as well love these things.
That’s me! Lol
That's me too. Never had one as a kid, so I'm getting one. Also like the idea of a restored 70's one to go with it. You're never too old to have a happy childhood.
I love the new Honda Monkey and may buy one in the aftermarket for $2000 or so. The 1969 Z50 Minitrail came out when I was 15 years old. The $235 price was impossible for a kid to pay. A new CB450 was $1,095 in 1970 and I got one for that price. A CB750 was $1,395 briefly but soon jumped.to $1,695, just $200 less than a new VW Bug that year. If you adjust the original Minitrail price for inflation today it would be $1,645, still insurmountable for a kid. So why $4,000 or more for this new Monkey bike. We are talking about 2.43 times the adjusted price for what many might say is the same machine. Not hardly. Here is the scoop. First you have a 125cc engine with a 4 speed manual clutch. Certainly 2.4 times better than a 49cc Minitrail. Second, you have fuel injection and disc brakes with ABS. You have rear shocks, you have LED lights and turn signals. You have the power and speed sufficient to ride legally on the streets at 40mph all day with more to spare. An adult fits comfortably. The oil capacity is 2 litters in the engine and upper tank. You have a wet clutch. There is a speedometer with many indicator lights. It has electric start. The list goes on. If this exact bike had been available in 1969 the price would have been $571.43 or $4,000 in today's money. $571.43 was a lot of money in 1969, but a new Honda CB350 was a mere $200 less than the 450 at $895.00 and a CB175 was $795. The CB125 was $725 so you can see that this new Monkey is fairly priced considering the past. Especially since it has features like fuel injection, ABS and dual disc brakes. Finally, and this is the grand issue. The Japanese no longer toil as a third world nation as they did in 1969. The Japanese economy has inflated far more than has the USA economy. So there you have it. The only issue to me is did Honda target the right bike to the market. There is two answers. In 1969 the little Z50 Minitrail was "state of the art, light years ahead" of Rupp or any other minibikeguy in the USA. This new Monkey likewise follows that tradition. My second thought is what if Honda had exactly copied the 1969 Z50-AK1 and offered it street legal as original for the $1,645 adjusted price? Which would sell more copies? Well, I for one would buy the replica at $1,645 brand new opposed to the 2019 Monkey, but would wish I had both lol. By the way, if you did the math I am almost 65 years old now and lived it all and owned them all over the years. I was founder of the International Mini-bike Association and communicated with Mini-bike enthusiasts from every corner of the earth in that capacity. 😊😊
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I don't think Honda targets kids. Kids seldom have the price so the product needs to lure adults!
Reminds me of the trail 70 I had a long long time ago.Best bike I ever owed took my ass every where at 40 mph.
I had one as a kid I think I'll get another to ride around the farm
Very cool. Will last 40 years too.
Let me tell you why this bike will sell (they're gonna sell one to me anyway). I turned fifty years old this year, most of my family are dead and gone, been through ups and downs in life and facing the backside of it, it's hard to find things that make me happy. I can't afford a Vette, don't wanna chase women, and always wanted a Z50 as a kid. Never got one. So this just makes me smile, it makes me happy just thinking about this. I can afford it, it'll make me happy, so just shut up and tell me who has the first one available so I know who to throw my money at!
Let me have this little slice of happiness, won't you?
I wish they would remake the honda motocompo, small folding scooter- amazing engineering.
I should probably get one just to go along with my restored 69' AK1...
Cool bike. The original Honda monkey bike (Z50) shared an engine with a massive list of other honda products, which spawned a ridiculous modding culture that's still around today. I would love to see the same thing happen to the Grom/2019 Monkey.