@mmegwa31 it's supposed to be the original version of ssj3 that akira toriyama made before the goku/gotenks version because his hair is different nothing more
In defense vegeta has been competing with gokus ss3 since before he got it himself, in battle of gods his ss2 was stronger than gokus ss3, vegeta extended his blue to evolved but goku hasn't so it's not a stretch ro say he's waaay more talented than goku, he just has kaioken as a stop gap
It might be because he is a child so the form would look different from the original to not be a hassle to deal with in the sense of weighing down the head with a huge pile of hair that goes down to your legs but that’s my though on why it looked like it
@Fireandknives Yeah but daima is only a year after Buu saga so he unlocked it and mastered it that fast but Goku who unlocked it before Buu saga doesn’t have it mastered 7 years later in super? That’s just not logical, it’s way more likely to be something else.
bro it's peace not piece not grammar police just having mixed feelings about it being funny and sad cause I was thinking about how trunks cut frieza to pieces and I was like is it a reference to how frieza died the first time then I remembered that toriyama is really dead
@@jonathantyler5734Bruh, I almost forgot about her until you mentioned her name 😂. I remembered she was posting like crazy back when DBS was still airing.
1:23 Toriyama felt like making Vegeta's ssj3 look different than Goku's not that his form is inherently special or different imo. 4:30 I brought this up in past videos, Goku literally says ssj3 drains too much energy/stamina but goes on to use ssjg and blue so clearly ssj3 hasnt beeen mastered at this point despite almost a decade passing since the Buu arc if the more powerful god forms don't drain as much, which proves Vegeta mastering it in a year in Daima makes no sense. 7:53 Vegeta blatantly says Trunks is just as strong as Goku's ssj3 so how is Trunks stronger? The statment means they're equals in power. 9:36 When was this ever stated or implied??? I don't remember a single instance of ssj3 ever being shown influencing Goku's personality unlike his first time unlocking Ssj1 on Namek. But even if this cliam was true it still wouldn't make sense because Goku literally perfects ssj1 the form that's actually proven and shown influencing his personality to the point he acts like he normally does in base form so why couldn't he do the same to ssj3 in the multiple years he had it before the god forms were introduced? 10:08 The point of the Granolah arc was for Goku to understand himself and learn a unique way to use Ultra Instinct nothing in the Granolah arc affects ssj3 and again ssj3 is never shown influencing Goku's personality nor has Goku ever been uncomfortable using the form due to his Saiyan past its never affected any other form except UI. Also if that was the case why didn't Goku reveal he mastered ssj3 after the Granolah arc if his saiyan past did influence ssj3? 10:29 Gotenks having the same ssj3 hair doesn't mean the long hair is a sign of it not being mastered, again it's simply that Toriyama decided to give Vegeta a unique look of ssj3 or if you want a headcanon argument then it's because Goten who is part of Gotenks and has the same hair cut as Goku during that time influences the form to have the same long hair despite Base Gotenks hair more resembling Vegeta's. Not to mention Gotenks' ssj3 doesn't even look like Goku's ssj3 hair, the only thing they have in common is that it's long you can clearly see Gotenks ssj3 hair still has Vegeta's influence with the widows peak. Like I've said before Vegeta mastering ssj3 in 1 year or less while goku over the course of the 7 year timeskip to buu and 6 more years till the tournament of power totaling to 13 years hasnt literally creates plotholes and makes no sense. #EndofVideoSquad
I'm really confused why this guy has such a big following. He yaps and barely has watched the show. been watching a few of his videos, and it seems this guy doesn't have a script, nor does he do background work. He literally yaps without knowing if the stuff he says is right or wrong.
This made the most sense to me it's like either bad writing are something else. We know these people like dude who made the video be reaching it's clear to see that. Not knocking vegtea my daughter loves him I'm a goku fan but the journey to the west isn't about vegtea. Talent wise vegtea but finding it within himself not to give up in the moment and rise above all In the heat of battle that's goku. But ain't no way vegtea mastered ssj3 in a year 😂like you said goku comfortable in ssj1 like it's his base form he can literally eat sleep and shit in ssj1 easy haven't seen vegtea do that. It's starting to seem like the plot of the story leaning more towards vegtea these past year or so. Which he needs his shine they all do individually but when it all boils down to it goku is the main character no way around that the gods the angles etc he's the one
@@Shadic16 goku and vegeta are sayain experts constantly training its wierd but i dont recall if it was super or not prob not but vegeta denouced kioken bc it depletedto much stamina but the same was true for SS3 and this gokue admitted beleive it that ss2 was a better form than ss3 due to the amount of energy it required as in all forms now i beleive tha broly is the perfect canidate for ss3 bc his energy contnues to flow ...dont beleive vegeta ca hold that form also that form looks to similiar to ss2.5 than ss3 vegeta may have found the .5 and i love vegetas character
true ss2 bc ss2 the bulky form was all power no speed thus useless hence when goku and gohan perfected ss2 gohan being the one that brought about ss2.5 and defeated cell to which i beleive gohan beast is merely gohan in his ss2.5 and the entire scene was a replay of gohan defeating cell in beast ironic bc look who gohan beast faught
Bro who's gonna tell him 😭 lol the actual reason Vegeta new sdj3 form is that way is because of his hair toriyama wanted to go back to his original design for Vegeta reason gotanks doesn't look like Vegetas is Because toriyama wanted it that way it was supposed to be the final design so to anyone who's a little slow like this creator you are welcome 🤗 and on that note Vegeta never used sdj3 onscreen so to all the sceptical idiots saying he got it after the buu arc I don't think so till the anime or manga confirms it so let's not be stupid people alright and Vegeta wanted to skip ssj 3 and god is because Vegeta can't lose to Goku because of his pride watch the dub anime people and pay attention fr
An explanation could be that since Super Saiyan forms are technically a mutation -> Goku discovered/created SSj3 in Otherworld and hence the form developed to be optimal only for a dead body/otherworldy body ( So the form is flawed in the living world and Goku trying to change it now won't do drastic things ) -> Goten/Trunks saw the form and thus Gotenks used this flawed version as well ( Since all they could reference was Goku ) -> Vegeta on the other hand saw the flaw of SSJ3 firsthand and thus developed it based on proper limits of the living body ( Vegeta has a much higher overall mastery of SSJ2 so he probably went beyond that but stopped at a practical point ) ( Vegeta's SSJ3 could be a version which doesn't produce as much explosive energy but as a result is also more efficient ) ( That would also explain the lack of exaggerated hair in the form and Vegeta being in control of the form ) [ Also for those people wondering why he never used SSJ3 in B.O.G - it could be that he instinctually realized that his much higher mastery of SSJ2 probably stood a better chance than his barely mastered SSJ3 form he used in Daima ] - Although real reason was prob. the form not being thought of in canon at the time
I completely disagree. I can't argue who is stronger, but I can argue for character structure. IN ALL FORMS. Goku = soft hair, Vegeta upright pointy and triangular, Gotenks = a mix of both.
DBS explains how the God form and blue are more concentrated on containing your energy. We learned in the buu saga that SSJ3 puts out too much energy to sustain. This is why Frieza and others have lost plenty of times.
the reason goku and gohan mastered normal super saiyan is cause they stayed in that form for an extended period so if vegeta did super saiyan 3 stamina training like go super saiyan 3 and stays in super saiyan 3 as long as he can before it becomes to much eat a senzu bean repeat
@@fashinmateo1283 I know that, I was just asking the original commenter what about Gotenks, he’s ssj3 and a kid but has the usual ssj3 look. Like you did.
I was thinking that since Goku learned SSJ3 while he was dead, his body, as a dead person, could handle it better. He essentially pushed it to its limit, like stepping on a car's gas pedal and forcing it to run at full throttle without learning how to use the form efficiently. This explains why SSJ3 was such a draining form for him and why it caused longer hair and more lightning effects. As for Vegeta, his hair is shorter because he trained to achieve SSJ3 with his living body, which has physical limits. Vegeta likely mastered SSJ3 gradually, like pressing the gas pedal slowly instead of going full throttle right away. That’s just my idea, though.
The reason why SSJ3 is different in Vegeta is cuz he just has a different hairstyle, that's all. Vegeta and Goku have different hairs in SSJ4 but SSJ4 Gogeta has a similar hair to Goku's. Also, mastering a transformation doesn't change your appearance in that transformation. Mastered SSJ and SSB look identical to the unmastered versions as well as Frieza's Golden form.
@@phoenixmaximus1718 Ultra Instinct is really weird First of all, it's not even a transformation. It's more like a "state". The white haired version is the perfected version of this state. Even Toyotaro and Toriyama didn't know how UI works yet lol. Let's wait and see.
They already told us why his hair was different. That was the very first design they made for saying three they ended up not using it because they thought it looked dumb. However, when they went to do it for Deanna, the artist didn’t want to draw super Saiyan through his hair because it was too difficult so they drew it the original way because it was easier. Goku definitely mastered super Saiyan three it was the height of his same accomplishments, which is why he always uses it instead of going straight to God form because he wants to compare what his best is before using God form because he feels like God form was given to him by others, not by his own merit. At least that’s how I’ve always understood it.
This is just a design choice, because we already had ssj3 vegeta in games, fanart, everything, because is so easy just put a Goku ssj3 hair in any character and say this is ssj3
Considering transformations still have the same multiplier regardless of who's using it, the fact Trunks in 2 is equal to 3 in terms of raw power would mean his base is higher than Goku's at that point
Maybe it's their blood type because Vegeta is a royal while Goku is a low class idk I'm tryna make it sense because if Vegeta transforms into ssj3 after Goku then wouldn't Goku be better at ssj3 ?
@sky-oq5mr ik I tried to make it sense because we all know that Goku will always be one step ahead of Vegeta as in one form ahead so it doesn't make sense for Goku to not master ssj3 and Vegeta to master it
@JosiahLogan-uh5cm Gotenks actually had full control over ss3. Goku did master ss3 in the after life. When he was fighting kid Buu he transformed instantly. His body just couldn't keep up with the power consumption. In GT he regree his tail and it helped alot. With Daima idk why they have Vegeta looking like that. If that's mastered ss3 I never want Goku to master it
i think it has more to do with the fact that Goku attained ssj3 while he was dead for those 7 years and had no restrictions and limitations on his body and stamina, thats why when he fought Boo later he burnt out too quickly and he said himself the form drains stamina and energy too rapidly. A similar problem was had during the Cell games preperation when he and Gohan went into the time chamber to train and to master the form, they spent as much time as they could in the form to the point it wasnt a stamina and energy drain and they could learn to maintain it and focus the power output and when they came out their whole aura and appearance changed. The similar could have happened with Vegeta because he had a living physical body that could tell him when it was at the limit he could adapt to its power drain to maintain it, something Goku didnt have so he could spam ssj3 for hours on end while dead which was a great learning and experimenting opportunity but never could master it without being in tone with what his body was telling him
That makes perfect sense. Considering that gohans, strongest form during that time wasn't super at all. I always consider gohan ultimate form as base power up. I like that trunks has a ss2/rage that's on par with ssb
The design change is a bigger topic of conversation than if they had revealed ssj3 the way people expected , It was important promotionally to do something new with something iconic and old I think the lore reason that is a more mastered version, Is just the cherry on top
I think when SSJ3 came out it was only intended to be used by Goku and Gotenks, so when it was made for Damian they went with a different look/approach. One would say Kefla’s transformation for SSJ and SSJ2 hair is different than the rest.
Once Super started talking about Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, there wasn't much of a reason to talk about SSJ3. They went off into a whole other stratosphere with power and theme. SSJ3 was a major deal in DBZ to continue after SSJ2 was such a huge deal during the Cell saga. SSJ2 Gohan was the epitome of power verses Cell. Unless they have another prequel to Super, Daima was the perfect time to surprise everyone with SSJ3 Vegeta. SSJ3 seemed like a major power up form at the time; while SSJ2 seemed like a stable successor to the original SSJ form.
There are some points that you're missing about the character of Goku as compared to the character of Vegeta. Goku is happy when fighting he doesn't rage unless someone he cares about gets hurt. Goku is used to driving physical strength to the max which taxes his stamina more. Vegeta on the other hand derives strength from pride and is easily angered which drives his power more. Vegeta also is more tactical and consciously conserves his stamina more. Goku achieved super Saiyan 3 in other world where he had infinite stamina and learned the form pushing its physical capabilities to the max. He mastered its physical capabilities without considering the stamina drain. This was addressed during the Buu saga when he first transformed into super Saiyan 3 on Earth. Vegeta would have achieved super Saiyan 3 for the first time in his mortal form and therefore would have been forced to balance strength and stamina. Gotenks is very cocky and also has much more power than Goku or Vegeta alone. It makes sense that he would achieve a similar super Saiyan 3 form as Goku but because of his times 10 multiplier from combining two super Saiyan adolescents with more natural stamina to begin with. They could utilize super Saiyan 3 more like Goku could in other world. Back during the cell saga it was stated that mastery of a form is balancing stamina and power. Goku super Saiyan 3 is likely stronger but much more taxing while Vegeta has truly mastered the form with likely less physical strength but draws more power from his ki through prideful wrath.
Funny thing is they actually had one for Goku as well where he has the short hair but it shows the concept drawings as him in his adult form there was no point of mastering it because it was not the strongest form anymore
This was one of my theories too, just Mastered Super Saiyan 3, the other theory I had being that if their powers were reduced when they were turned mini, he wouldn't be able to access the form's full power as shown by the hair length. But I never really figured their powers were reduced in daima, so the mastered super saiyan 3 is more likely
I agree, it does depends on who’s wielding the transformations. When goku black went ssj or ssj2 it was far stronger than when goku use those form. goku black even stated that he found away to tap into the true potential of a sayian power for each forms. Than you have trunks, when trunks unleashed his ssj 2 berserker on Goku black it was like a hyper version of a ssj 2. Next, u got Goku stocking UI on all his form while fighting granola, and let’s not forget about god Kai. Ever since Goku and vegeta attained god Kai their base form, along with all their forms got stronger
Bro it literally stated that in the buu saga and multiple times afterwards . That’s why he don’t use it. They say it in GT as well it comes up when they talk about super sayain 4 . But he did master it once. He mastered it against super android 17 in the alternate timeline when he used dragon fist to defeat him. Noobs.
My theory is why vegeta didnt use ssj3 in super is because in the end of daima when daima ends, the z fighters are made to forget the events of daima by either the dragon balls or some other force (this is just my theory i dont know what will happen)
I thought they said in the show that the reason they don't use it is because it takes such a toll on the body that you can die using it. Does anybody remember them saying that? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
ngl form mastery is such a nice concept look at the end of z dlc in dbz kakarot ,vegeta was goind toe to toe with goku super saying 3 with vegetas own max potential ssj2
Funny how all these Goku fans won't accept that Goku isn't perfect. Fact of the matter is that Goku trains to win a fight, while Vegeta trains to surpass Goku. Ergo, if Goku achieves a new transformation, Vegeta is going to train to achieve that same transformation...and then attempt to surpass it. It's that simple.
I don't think a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Trunks would be that much stronger. From what was stated in the manga, Trunks mastered Super Saiyan 2 in a way that he was able to amp it up in a similar way to Kaio-Ken. If he gains Super Saiyan 3, he'd have to master it to a point where he can use that same technique he used for Super Saiyan 2.
SS3 used to be the pinnacle of power, which is why it’s power drain made sense. Then later transformations came along that offered more power without any drawbacks which just makes SS3 look ridiculous in hindsight What’s even ridiculous are moments when the more energy efficient SS2 surpasses SS3
I don’t think ss2 has ever surpassed ss3 in terms of raw power. Ik vegeta grew stronger than goku in the beginning of battle of gods, but I think that was just a rage boost, and not some type of highly mastered ssj 2
@@drhashtagyolo Apparently Vegeta and Trunks briefly surpassed SS3 at two instances which is absurd I’ve never seen SS1 approach SS2 feats and for SS2 to do that with SS3 is asinine. SS3 already got surpassed by other forms in terms of power and ki consumption, and now there’s instances of the form right below it briefly doing just that.
I could see it being mastered, the less hair could be a result of controlling his ki, more ki expended in the form, the longer the hair, and maybe in a younger body or as a spirit it is easier to control the form.
The contrary makes more sense, vegeta's hair is shorter because he still in the incomplete version of ssj3, and goku's is longer because his version is the completed one. Since we never seen someone achieve ssj3, only people after a lot of time of having achieved it, I belive this could be the case. That's my opinion. Either that or the "vegeta ssj3 is different because his hair points upward" thing lol
@@masontrapalot Gotenks? We never see him achive it. He had 2 week in the time chamber, considering he is a fusion, I wouldn't be surprised if he mastered it in some days.
People take into account that before any of this, the only reference we had was goku and let's be real the people drawing this are lazy and didn't wanna make changes for every character. That being said: -The hair is different because hair style is different -Gotenks look the same because he's half goku -The form having all the L's is more a writing issue than a incomplete form issue -Trunks being stronger than goku just means that he has more base power and ki control than Goku at the time because these forms are multipliers of their base power -The form making Goku more saiyan is dumb because ssj does the same thing at a smaller scale and with training he was able to keep is kind demeanor even when transformed that just means he has to train it more -I do believe it's not mastered but that's because the form takes a lot of energy, once they train and remove that issue the form is mastered
Saying Vegeta mastered it and not Goku by Super is just straight up Vegeta glazing. Goku would also look like he mastered it if he fought someone much weaker than himself. If Vegeta mastered ssj3 he also would have likely used it against Beerus in the my Bulma moment.
Only reason it's different, is simply because they're using Toriyamas original design. Nothing to do with mastery. There is also no confirmation to weather or not SS3 is mastered or not. They always say it just consumes too much ki.
SSJ2 Trunks being stronger than SSJ3 even though Goku absorbed god ki, trained with Whis and fought with a GoD vs someone who was getting rekt by Black and barely surviving in the future , and a partial human(Andriod 17) who trained with rabbits and rhinos is absolute atrocious writing.
I'd agree that Beerus vs. Vegeta was a fun sparring match. But prideful as Vegeta is, there's no way he'd leave Super Saiyan 3 on the table after Beerus came in and slapped his wife. The enraged state that helped him fight Beerus; he would have stacked that on top of SSJ3. IMO, SSJ3 Vegeta is a plot error and it doesn't make sense, but it's cool and long overdue.
Also in the last dlc of db kakarot vegeta uses the same technique that trunks does in the manga and when he fights beerus, where he powers up past ssj3 but doesn’t transform
There literally a concept art of SSJ3 when Toriyama first drew it which is a longer but short hairstyle that Vegeta has. Also Toei hates staying long SSJ3 hairstyle nowadays which everyone knows that. Don’t know why videos like this keep being made
Let's be real. it's just easier for the animators to animate vegeta's ss3 hair than the original goku ss3 hair
Yeah. It's not that deep. Plus Vegeta will only use SSJ3 in Daima because they have stronger transformations in Super
that or vegeta form isn't complete
They have different SSJ3 hair because Goku and Vegeta themselves have different hair in base, I don't think there is anything more to it then that.
Thank you. It’s so weird when these people make up these extra’ed out theories. And try to make up their own canonical lore.
@@mmegwa31 how is that weird? That's been the standard DBZ fan behavior since the late 80s.
@mmegwa31 it's supposed to be the original version of ssj3 that akira toriyama made before the goku/gotenks version because his hair is different nothing more
Bruh what....Gotenks literally had Vegeta hair and his didn't look like that clown@@mmegwa31
@@DemonItachioriginal didn't look like that. It looked like ss2 without bangs not a huge banana tree upward
If Goku didn’t master it by super than I can’t seriously entertain the idea of Vegeta mastering it in daima, it’s likely just a stylistic choice.
In defense vegeta has been competing with gokus ss3 since before he got it himself, in battle of gods his ss2 was stronger than gokus ss3, vegeta extended his blue to evolved but goku hasn't so it's not a stretch ro say he's waaay more talented than goku, he just has kaioken as a stop gap
It might be because he is a child so the form would look different from the original to not be a hassle to deal with in the sense of weighing down the head with a huge pile of hair that goes down to your legs but that’s my though on why it looked like it
Vegeta is better than Goku at some things, and vice-versa. That’s why Goku respects him as a warrior.
@Fireandknives Yeah but daima is only a year after Buu saga so he unlocked it and mastered it that fast but Goku who unlocked it before Buu saga doesn’t have it mastered 7 years later in super? That’s just not logical, it’s way more likely to be something else.
@@devilsnevercry22it was only stronger in that moment, enraged ssj 3 would scale far above that.
With Toriyama the explanation is usually the simplest, may he rest in piece, but it's probably because Vegeta has a different transformation.
bro it's peace not piece not grammar police just having mixed feelings about it being funny and sad cause I was thinking about how trunks cut frieza to pieces and I was like is it a reference to how frieza died the first time then I remembered that toriyama is really dead
Ssj 2.5
Bro none of this makes sense. Mastered super sayian has the same hair as regular super saiyan. The color is just different
Mastered super saiyan isn't ss2
The dude is the male version of anime girl, he never makes any sense and makes me wonder what show does he actually watch...
@@jonathantyler5734Bruh, I almost forgot about her until you mentioned her name 😂. I remembered she was posting like crazy back when DBS was still airing.
@@kazuyahirako4843 Who is this person you speak of?
1:23 Toriyama felt like making Vegeta's ssj3 look different than Goku's not that his form is inherently special or different imo. 4:30 I brought this up in past videos, Goku literally says ssj3 drains too much energy/stamina but goes on to use ssjg and blue so clearly ssj3 hasnt beeen mastered at this point despite almost a decade passing since the Buu arc if the more powerful god forms don't drain as much, which proves Vegeta mastering it in a year in Daima makes no sense. 7:53 Vegeta blatantly says Trunks is just as strong as Goku's ssj3 so how is Trunks stronger? The statment means they're equals in power. 9:36 When was this ever stated or implied??? I don't remember a single instance of ssj3 ever being shown influencing Goku's personality unlike his first time unlocking Ssj1 on Namek. But even if this cliam was true it still wouldn't make sense because Goku literally perfects ssj1 the form that's actually proven and shown influencing his personality to the point he acts like he normally does in base form so why couldn't he do the same to ssj3 in the multiple years he had it before the god forms were introduced? 10:08 The point of the Granolah arc was for Goku to understand himself and learn a unique way to use Ultra Instinct nothing in the Granolah arc affects ssj3 and again ssj3 is never shown influencing Goku's personality nor has Goku ever been uncomfortable using the form due to his Saiyan past its never affected any other form except UI. Also if that was the case why didn't Goku reveal he mastered ssj3 after the Granolah arc if his saiyan past did influence ssj3? 10:29 Gotenks having the same ssj3 hair doesn't mean the long hair is a sign of it not being mastered, again it's simply that Toriyama decided to give Vegeta a unique look of ssj3 or if you want a headcanon argument then it's because Goten who is part of Gotenks and has the same hair cut as Goku during that time influences the form to have the same long hair despite Base Gotenks hair more resembling Vegeta's. Not to mention Gotenks' ssj3 doesn't even look like Goku's ssj3 hair, the only thing they have in common is that it's long you can clearly see Gotenks ssj3 hair still has Vegeta's influence with the widows peak. Like I've said before Vegeta mastering ssj3 in 1 year or less while goku over the course of the 7 year timeskip to buu and 6 more years till the tournament of power totaling to 13 years hasnt literally creates plotholes and makes no sense. #EndofVideoSquad
I'm really confused why this guy has such a big following. He yaps and barely has watched the show. been watching a few of his videos, and it seems this guy doesn't have a script, nor does he do background work. He literally yaps without knowing if the stuff he says is right or wrong.
This made the most sense to me it's like either bad writing are something else. We know these people like dude who made the video be reaching it's clear to see that. Not knocking vegtea my daughter loves him I'm a goku fan but the journey to the west isn't about vegtea. Talent wise vegtea but finding it within himself not to give up in the moment and rise above all In the heat of battle that's goku. But ain't no way vegtea mastered ssj3 in a year 😂like you said goku comfortable in ssj1 like it's his base form he can literally eat sleep and shit in ssj1 easy haven't seen vegtea do that. It's starting to seem like the plot of the story leaning more towards vegtea these past year or so. Which he needs his shine they all do individually but when it all boils down to it goku is the main character no way around that the gods the angles etc he's the one
And it's the original design on Vegeta. And the only thing that makes it not a dud is the fact that I. The Afterlife the power limitations are void
DB Theories in a nutshell: "I just found this! It's cool! I'm going to talk about it! It came out of my ass!"
I think goku exerts too much energy that’s why the hair is different even goku said it waste a lot of energy to transform
exerting certain amount of energy = hair change???
Think goku mention ss3 expells to much energy and requires stamina thus unmaintable
@@J2DaB33if not practiced goku. Couldn’t even use ssj well tell he mastered it
@@Shadic16 goku and vegeta are sayain experts constantly training its wierd but i dont recall if it was super or not prob not but vegeta denouced kioken bc it depletedto much stamina but the same was true for SS3 and this gokue admitted beleive it that ss2 was a better form than ss3 due to the amount of energy it required as in all forms now i beleive tha broly is the perfect canidate for ss3 bc his energy contnues to flow ...dont beleive vegeta ca hold that form also that form looks to similiar to ss2.5 than ss3 vegeta may have found the .5 and i love vegetas character
true ss2 bc ss2 the bulky form was all power no speed thus useless hence when goku and gohan perfected ss2 gohan being the one that brought about ss2.5 and defeated cell to which i beleive gohan beast is merely gohan in his ss2.5 and the entire scene was a replay of gohan defeating cell in beast ironic bc look who gohan beast faught
Clickbait as usual with no sense in content
It’s not that deep
@@TZMOTHYnah it is this guy is known for doing this😂
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Bro who's gonna tell him 😭 lol the actual reason Vegeta new sdj3 form is that way is because of his hair toriyama wanted to go back to his original design for Vegeta reason gotanks doesn't look like Vegetas is Because toriyama wanted it that way it was supposed to be the final design so to anyone who's a little slow like this creator you are welcome 🤗 and on that note Vegeta never used sdj3 onscreen so to all the sceptical idiots saying he got it after the buu arc I don't think so till the anime or manga confirms it so let's not be stupid people alright and Vegeta wanted to skip ssj 3 and god is because Vegeta can't lose to Goku because of his pride watch the dub anime people and pay attention fr
An explanation could be that since Super Saiyan forms are technically a mutation
-> Goku discovered/created SSj3 in Otherworld and hence the form developed to be optimal only for a dead body/otherworldy body
( So the form is flawed in the living world and Goku trying to change it now won't do drastic things )
-> Goten/Trunks saw the form and thus Gotenks used this flawed version as well
( Since all they could reference was Goku )
-> Vegeta on the other hand saw the flaw of SSJ3 firsthand and thus developed it based on proper limits of the living body
( Vegeta has a much higher overall mastery of SSJ2 so he probably went beyond that but stopped at a practical point )
( Vegeta's SSJ3 could be a version which doesn't produce as much explosive energy but as a result is also more efficient )
( That would also explain the lack of exaggerated hair in the form and Vegeta being in control of the form )
[ Also for those people wondering why he never used SSJ3 in B.O.G - it could be that he instinctually realized that his much higher mastery of SSJ2 probably stood a better chance than his barely mastered SSJ3 form he used in Daima ] - Although real reason was prob. the form not being thought of in canon at the time
I completely disagree. I can't argue who is stronger, but I can argue for character structure. IN ALL FORMS. Goku = soft hair, Vegeta upright pointy and triangular, Gotenks = a mix of both.
Also, " my bulma! " That rage was his perceived pinnacle at this point.
DBS explains how the God form and blue are more concentrated on containing your energy. We learned in the buu saga that SSJ3 puts out too much energy to sustain. This is why Frieza and others have lost plenty of times.
Right. This seems so obvious.
SS3 Goku: kaioken x30
SS3 Vegeta: super Vegeta 3
The hairstyles are different, that doesn’t mean Goku hasn’t mastered it, besides, he’s been in Super Saiyan 3 longer than Vegeta
the reason goku and gohan mastered normal super saiyan is cause they stayed in that form for an extended period so if vegeta did super saiyan 3 stamina training like go super saiyan 3 and stays in super saiyan 3 as long as he can before it becomes to much eat a senzu bean repeat
Daima vegeta looks that way to sell toys. Now Vegeta SSJ3 form looks different from everyone else
Even Goku & Gotenks look different tbh. Gotenks' hair is a lot wider and goes down his back like a hedgehog.
likely due to his height at the time
You haven't even seen if Goku will look the same. They are kids. It looks different.
Gotenks is a kid and it looks the same
Gotenks?
@@Golden-si2pd yeah gotens and trunks fusion
@@fashinmateo1283 I know that, I was just asking the original commenter what about Gotenks, he’s ssj3 and a kid but has the usual ssj3 look. Like you did.
@@Golden-si2pd oh my bad lol
I was thinking that since Goku learned SSJ3 while he was dead, his body, as a dead person, could handle it better. He essentially pushed it to its limit, like stepping on a car's gas pedal and forcing it to run at full throttle without learning how to use the form efficiently. This explains why SSJ3 was such a draining form for him and why it caused longer hair and more lightning effects.
As for Vegeta, his hair is shorter because he trained to achieve SSJ3 with his living body, which has physical limits. Vegeta likely mastered SSJ3 gradually, like pressing the gas pedal slowly instead of going full throttle right away.
That’s just my idea, though.
Yo ssj3 goku in thumbnail look sick, seems like he's stacking kaioken on top too
What about gt goku? Did he train his body to be able to sustain ssj3?
2k views? In 2 hours? Bro did NOT fall off
"I'm grasping at straws" We're aware lmao
The reason why SSJ3 is different in Vegeta is cuz he just has a different hairstyle, that's all.
Vegeta and Goku have different hairs in SSJ4 but SSJ4 Gogeta has a similar hair to Goku's.
Also, mastering a transformation doesn't change your appearance in that transformation. Mastered SSJ and SSB look identical to the unmastered versions as well as Frieza's Golden form.
The only transformations that look different between mastered and unmastered are the UI forms
@@phoenixmaximus1718 Ultra Instinct is really weird
First of all, it's not even a transformation. It's more like a "state". The white haired version is the perfected version of this state.
Even Toyotaro and Toriyama didn't know how UI works yet lol. Let's wait and see.
@ whis quite literally refers to both versions as transformations in the manga when he’s sparring with MUI goku
@okuigokublack he still has a ways to go with UI whis told goku he's at the bottom so it's literally lots of levels left to reach.
It was cold thru the buu saga. That’s why goku ssj3 is different
Vegeta: my hair is bigger than yours
All head cannon btw, nothing confirmed
the reason why they used to say that it was a useless form is because it took way too much key to sustain the form
They already told us why his hair was different. That was the very first design they made for saying three they ended up not using it because they thought it looked dumb. However, when they went to do it for Deanna, the artist didn’t want to draw super Saiyan through his hair because it was too difficult so they drew it the original way because it was easier. Goku definitely mastered super Saiyan three it was the height of his same accomplishments, which is why he always uses it instead of going straight to God form because he wants to compare what his best is before using God form because he feels like God form was given to him by others, not by his own merit. At least that’s how I’ve always understood it.
Vegeta looks different because his hair is naturally different.
This is just a design choice, because we already had ssj3 vegeta in games, fanart, everything, because is so easy just put a Goku ssj3 hair in any character and say this is ssj3
Dude, it's a plot hole...not rocket science.
1:30 because this is original design of ssj3
Great vegeta voice
Considering transformations still have the same multiplier regardless of who's using it, the fact Trunks in 2 is equal to 3 in terms of raw power would mean his base is higher than Goku's at that point
Maybe it's their blood type because Vegeta is a royal while Goku is a low class idk I'm tryna make it sense because if Vegeta transforms into ssj3 after Goku then wouldn't Goku be better at ssj3 ?
Gotenks has Vegeta hair and blood. Don't look like that tho
@sky-oq5mr ik I tried to make it sense because we all know that Goku will always be one step ahead of Vegeta as in one form ahead so it doesn't make sense for Goku to not master ssj3 and Vegeta to master it
@JosiahLogan-uh5cm Gotenks actually had full control over ss3. Goku did master ss3 in the after life. When he was fighting kid Buu he transformed instantly. His body just couldn't keep up with the power consumption. In GT he regree his tail and it helped alot. With Daima idk why they have Vegeta looking like that. If that's mastered ss3 I never want Goku to master it
@sky-oq5mr were just trying to make it sense
i think it has more to do with the fact that Goku attained ssj3 while he was dead for those 7 years and had no restrictions and limitations on his body and stamina, thats why when he fought Boo later he burnt out too quickly and he said himself the form drains stamina and energy too rapidly. A similar problem was had during the Cell games preperation when he and Gohan went into the time chamber to train and to master the form, they spent as much time as they could in the form to the point it wasnt a stamina and energy drain and they could learn to maintain it and focus the power output and when they came out their whole aura and appearance changed. The similar could have happened with Vegeta because he had a living physical body that could tell him when it was at the limit he could adapt to its power drain to maintain it, something Goku didnt have so he could spam ssj3 for hours on end while dead which was a great learning and experimenting opportunity but never could master it without being in tone with what his body was telling him
Lmao, Vegetas face in the background
That makes perfect sense. Considering that gohans, strongest form during that time wasn't super at all. I always consider gohan ultimate form as base power up. I like that trunks has a ss2/rage that's on par with ssb
I agree, the rest simply can't fathom the idea of Vegeta succeeding even in 1 point in his life.
Gotenks ssj3 looks like a Mega Evolution of Sandlash 😂
Bulma stated Vegeta trained a lot alone to get that form. So he may have mastered it in that 300× gravity room.
Goku after showing his perfected ssj3: "I hope I'm not too late...."🗣️
The design change is a bigger topic of conversation than if they had revealed ssj3 the way people expected ,
It was important promotionally to do something new with something iconic and old
I think the lore reason that is a more mastered version,
Is just the cherry on top
Goku would go SS3 Blue, but Sega would file a lawsuit
I think when SSJ3 came out it was only intended to be used by Goku and Gotenks, so when it was made for Damian they went with a different look/approach. One would say Kefla’s transformation for SSJ and SSJ2 hair is different than the rest.
The design we see vegeta rocking was the original super saiyan 3 design, they just choose to use it for vegeta in this show.
I remember reading years back that the way vegetal hair looks was the original design I forgot where though
Bcuz goten literally has gokus haircut and it’s more likely to assume that the fusion uses that hair style
Once Super started talking about Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, there wasn't much of a reason to talk about SSJ3. They went off into a whole other stratosphere with power and theme. SSJ3 was a major deal in DBZ to continue after SSJ2 was such a huge deal during the Cell saga. SSJ2 Gohan was the epitome of power verses Cell. Unless they have another prequel to Super, Daima was the perfect time to surprise everyone with SSJ3 Vegeta. SSJ3 seemed like a major power up form at the time; while SSJ2 seemed like a stable successor to the original SSJ form.
There are some points that you're missing about the character of Goku as compared to the character of Vegeta. Goku is happy when fighting he doesn't rage unless someone he cares about gets hurt. Goku is used to driving physical strength to the max which taxes his stamina more. Vegeta on the other hand derives strength from pride and is easily angered which drives his power more. Vegeta also is more tactical and consciously conserves his stamina more. Goku achieved super Saiyan 3 in other world where he had infinite stamina and learned the form pushing its physical capabilities to the max. He mastered its physical capabilities without considering the stamina drain. This was addressed during the Buu saga when he first transformed into super Saiyan 3 on Earth. Vegeta would have achieved super Saiyan 3 for the first time in his mortal form and therefore would have been forced to balance strength and stamina. Gotenks is very cocky and also has much more power than Goku or Vegeta alone. It makes sense that he would achieve a similar super Saiyan 3 form as Goku but because of his times 10 multiplier from combining two super Saiyan adolescents with more natural stamina to begin with. They could utilize super Saiyan 3 more like Goku could in other world. Back during the cell saga it was stated that mastery of a form is balancing stamina and power. Goku super Saiyan 3 is likely stronger but much more taxing while Vegeta has truly mastered the form with likely less physical strength but draws more power from his ki through prideful wrath.
They didn’t want him looking like gotenks
I find it weird they never mastered SSJ3 when God is harder to control
Funny thing is they actually had one for Goku as well where he has the short hair but it shows the concept drawings as him in his adult form there was no point of mastering it because it was not the strongest form anymore
Vegeta hair is different because it was a scrapped design for how Toriyama sensei wanted ssj3 to look. Thats what this is. You can look this up lol.
Goku been mastered ss3 smh super dragonball fist
I’ve always believed that vegeta mastered super saiyan 3 which is why his design is so different than gokus hair design.
This was one of my theories too, just Mastered Super Saiyan 3, the other theory I had being that if their powers were reduced when they were turned mini, he wouldn't be able to access the form's full power as shown by the hair length. But I never really figured their powers were reduced in daima, so the mastered super saiyan 3 is more likely
I agree, it does depends on who’s wielding the transformations. When goku black went ssj or ssj2 it was far stronger than when goku use those form. goku black even stated that he found away to tap into the true potential of a sayian power for each forms. Than you have trunks, when trunks unleashed his ssj 2 berserker on Goku black it was like a hyper version of a ssj 2. Next, u got Goku stocking UI on all his form while fighting granola, and let’s not forget about god Kai. Ever since Goku and vegeta attained god Kai their base form, along with all their forms got stronger
😂😂 vegetas hair is the original design for ss3
It’s just a match to there original hair which makes it make sense
Bro it literally stated that in the buu saga and multiple times afterwards . That’s why he don’t use it. They say it in GT as well it comes up when they talk about super sayain 4 . But he did master it once. He mastered it against super android 17 in the alternate timeline when he used dragon fist to defeat him. Noobs.
My theory is why vegeta didnt use ssj3 in super is because in the end of daima when daima ends, the z fighters are made to forget the events of daima by either the dragon balls or some other force (this is just my theory i dont know what will happen)
I thought they said in the show that the reason they don't use it is because it takes such a toll on the body that you can die using it. Does anybody remember them saying that? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
Until anything is confirmed by the writers I'm not jumping to conclusions
The writer in question no longer with us and I'm pretty sure toyotaro isn't finishing this project
@@XForm98 So who's writing Daima and deciding the lore from here on out? they must have an explanation can't just leave it up to us fans
Vegeta is juts built different
Let's be real bro. Vegeta is the prince of the saiyan
i cant wait for ssj 3 grade 2-3 as a kid cursed buff
lmao the actual reason the hair is so different is cuz this was Toriyama’s ORIGINAL SUPER SAIYAN 3 DESIGN, goku’s was a redo, vegeta’s is the original
Remastering all the forms would be cool in the series because it would shout out toriyama and you could add multiple villains along the way
ngl form mastery is such a nice concept look at the end of z dlc in dbz kakarot ,vegeta was goind toe to toe with goku super saying 3 with vegetas own max potential ssj2
Funny how all these Goku fans won't accept that Goku isn't perfect. Fact of the matter is that Goku trains to win a fight, while Vegeta trains to surpass Goku. Ergo, if Goku achieves a new transformation, Vegeta is going to train to achieve that same transformation...and then attempt to surpass it. It's that simple.
I have a hard time believing Vegeta’s first canonical SS3 form is MASTERED but Goku is far behind after years in otherworld.
I don't think a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Trunks would be that much stronger. From what was stated in the manga, Trunks mastered Super Saiyan 2 in a way that he was able to amp it up in a similar way to Kaio-Ken. If he gains Super Saiyan 3, he'd have to master it to a point where he can use that same technique he used for Super Saiyan 2.
SS3 used to be the pinnacle of power, which is why it’s power drain made sense.
Then later transformations came along that offered more power without any drawbacks which just makes SS3 look ridiculous in hindsight
What’s even ridiculous are moments when the more energy efficient SS2 surpasses SS3
I don’t think ss2 has ever surpassed ss3 in terms of raw power. Ik vegeta grew stronger than goku in the beginning of battle of gods, but I think that was just a rage boost, and not some type of highly mastered ssj 2
@@drhashtagyolo
Apparently Vegeta and Trunks briefly surpassed SS3 at two instances which is absurd
I’ve never seen SS1 approach SS2 feats and for SS2 to do that with SS3 is asinine.
SS3 already got surpassed by other forms in terms of power and ki consumption, and now there’s instances of the form right below it briefly doing just that.
The stronger the base form the stronger, the transformation this was mentioned in super ...
Bro is onto nothing lol
It's simple 😅😅 vegeta ssj3 was the ORIGINAL DESIGN for ssj3
I could see it being mastered, the less hair could be a result of controlling his ki, more ki expended in the form, the longer the hair, and maybe in a younger body or as a spirit it is easier to control the form.
the power scaling for future trunks being stronger than goku who's been training with gods just doesn't makesense, but i guess it is what it is...
Could it be possible that there are different grades of ssj3 and vegeta is doing the super vegeta thing or could it be his pure blood royal heritage ?
Heroes did grades for ssj3 like full power ssj3 that removed ssj3 weakness
I still like Goku’s design more than Vegeta’s
It’s far more unique and iconic
The contrary makes more sense, vegeta's hair is shorter because he still in the incomplete version of ssj3, and goku's is longer because his version is the completed one.
Since we never seen someone achieve ssj3, only people after a lot of time of having achieved it, I belive this could be the case.
That's my opinion. Either that or the "vegeta ssj3 is different because his hair points upward" thing lol
But gowns hair was the same as gokus when he first got it
@@masontrapalot Gotenks? We never see him achive it.
He had 2 week in the time chamber, considering he is a fusion, I wouldn't be surprised if he mastered it in some days.
@@universogt7508 but he still gets it
@@masontrapalot Yes, but we never seen he achieve it for the first time.
The reason why Vegeta never used ss3 was cause it drains a lot of energy
People take into account that before any of this, the only reference we had was goku and let's be real the people drawing this are lazy and didn't wanna make changes for every character.
That being said:
-The hair is different because hair style is different
-Gotenks look the same because he's half goku
-The form having all the L's is more a writing issue than a incomplete form issue
-Trunks being stronger than goku just means that he has more base power and ki control than Goku at the time because these forms are multipliers of their base power
-The form making Goku more saiyan is dumb because ssj does the same thing at a smaller scale and with training he was able to keep is kind demeanor even when transformed that just means he has to train it more
-I do believe it's not mastered but that's because the form takes a lot of energy, once they train and remove that issue the form is mastered
Saying Vegeta mastered it and not Goku by Super is just straight up Vegeta glazing. Goku would also look like he mastered it if he fought someone much weaker than himself. If Vegeta mastered ssj3 he also would have likely used it against Beerus in the my Bulma moment.
His hair design was the original design first drawn
Only reason it's different, is simply because they're using Toriyamas original design. Nothing to do with mastery. There is also no confirmation to weather or not SS3 is mastered or not. They always say it just consumes too much ki.
Anybody knows the name of the background song ? Thanks for the analysis. I respect your opinion 👌🏿
Simple answer. They couldn’t give him the same hair bc he would look EXACTLY like Gotenks.
SSJ2 Trunks being stronger than SSJ3 even though Goku absorbed god ki, trained with Whis and fought with a GoD vs someone who was getting rekt by Black and barely surviving in the future , and a partial human(Andriod 17) who trained with rabbits and rhinos is absolute atrocious writing.
It's the original ssj3 design.. we're use to seeing the remake of it
I thought it was just a reference to the beta ssj3 goku design
I'd agree that Beerus vs. Vegeta was a fun sparring match. But prideful as Vegeta is, there's no way he'd leave Super Saiyan 3 on the table after Beerus came in and slapped his wife.
The enraged state that helped him fight Beerus; he would have stacked that on top of SSJ3.
IMO, SSJ3 Vegeta is a plot error and it doesn't make sense, but it's cool and long overdue.
Also in the last dlc of db kakarot vegeta uses the same technique that trunks does in the manga and when he fights beerus, where he powers up past ssj3 but doesn’t transform
Bro no no no. I seen the photos of the late great creator of dragon ball... Let's not forget
There literally a concept art of SSJ3 when Toriyama first drew it which is a longer but short hairstyle that Vegeta has. Also Toei hates staying long SSJ3 hairstyle nowadays which everyone knows that. Don’t know why videos like this keep being made
It’s because goku got a big knot in the middle of his head 😂
I've heard it's actually toriyamas original ss3 design that was scrapped
So goku lost but didn’t want to accept it, so he went god form to win. Then he lost by technicality and has a loss to ss2 😂😂
They Said Goku & Trunks was even. So Trunks base ki was bigger than Goku’s ki. Trunks just used all his ki. Nothing special