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Plan is not to stop option buyers, plan is to stop middle class earning through option selling
100%
100% sure
Nailed it ..!
True
Bjp always against middle class
Problem is that many retailers are entering option selling disrupting the plan of operators.
Retailers don't have money. So stop dreaming. M
@@sanjeevsharma9998 so don't know the meaning of retailers?
true
True
@@iAnkush_369 most retailers don't have funds to manage their own position. They just speculate.
The logic SEBI and other discussed here for all the measures on retailers, it's like ban NEET, UPSC, IIT EXAMs etc as 95% of them will not get admissions in IIM,IIT and MBBS seat. The height of idiotic and stupid virtues and intellect of highly educated SEBI and so called the recommendation committee.
Great. Anology. As per the logic they should ban Ias exams also as 99% lose.
Logic is for putting carpet to hide garbage bro actually some of the SEBI officials seem to be jealous of retail traders as retail traders have started making profit more than earlier they do as they are putting efforts on learning the market, technical etc.
very true, there students are loosing coaching fees along with precious time
True..thousands of crores being invested for this coaching by middle class..if you really concerned about middle class why not put education fees on tax benefit..why not decrease tax based on inflation..why not add health insurance for middle class
Right
SEBI has announced a 20% tax on breathing. They want to decrease oxygen usage because it is good for the country in the long range.
But the government cannot control the Rummy and Dream11 what an idea sir ji...😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
No other countries not thinking about retailers
But India is the only country thinking about retailers
Ithellam nambura mathiriya irukku?
Nambina than sorru
Soon😂😂😂
@@77sarach😂😂
Blaming Nirmala is like blaming the villain actor in a movie but not the producer.
haha...true
Yeah
Why to blame producers. You got to blame the viewers for watching that movie.
@@tourist3066 you mean viewers should find an end to producer and production house 🏠🏡?
@@happybuddha3000 Depends what they want. If countries needs development they should stop voting on religious affiliations same in movies if u want different content dont blame producers audiences are the problem
Nirmala sitharaman has ego the size of a football field .. which is why she said this statement against middle class
That is true. But this person view also misplaced and selfishness
Nirmala is just a puppet.
Its ego of both finance minister and sebi chairman
Middle class is more driven by emotions all natitonalism , relgionlism trueism this that but corporates is run by profit and loss so they give what middle class wants by their fancy speeches and give corportes whatever they want . This is the problem of middle class when they vote they should justify what proifts/loss they get from one govt or other govt when they vote based on fancy statement then they deserve what they get
@@anirudhsandilya7962 She become finance minister has a result of speculation. She has not contested a single election. So as per sebi recommendation, why bjp or modi is allowed to select minister based on speculation that she can handle finance misnitry
Sellers and buyers are part of the game. You can't play a game without an opponent. Buying and selling both having plus and minus. You can't decide by educational certifications. We all know the standard of our Eduction. It is all about individuals risk tolerance. You can't stop by putting this kind of restrictions.
well, it could be implemented like a driving licence, trading licence, read 10 pages and give a mcq.
I believe this is better then punishing everyone....
they now know the risk and still want to do it, then they are responsible...
Government should ban coaching institutes also, because lakhs of students loose lakhs of rupees there, and only less than 1% of them getting selected.
Crores not laks!!!
Fm should introduce GST on shitting...that way people will eat less and food inflation will be in control...inflation problem solved...thats how this GOV thinks
ROFL...
😂😂
😁😆😅😂😂
Actually she is progressing in this direction only. Taxes on our shit so that we eat less due to higher inflation..
😂😂😂
some option buyers are spending years to understand the market structure, building option buying strategies, continue paper trading for many months. How can anyone generalize them as speculators?
Exactly.
Good question
Yes
He's biased
They are. How much money have you earned from options compared to proper investment? Option trading is zero sum game where as investment is not.
The finance minister wants to take the stock market back to 1980s, so that retail investors do not have any option other than buying Adani shares and small cap shares
10000% correct...exactly this happening showly..
The main objective is to increase the average implied volatility ( premium) at which options are sold, as SEBI is restricting the number of sellers. The retail option buyers would be buying at higher premium.
No vote to BJP
Chidiya chug gayi khet😂😂😂
@@DEV-ey8jb middle class employees paying taxes from their hard earned money is gambling?
Not at all anymore ..
Kudos BJP
Majority loosing money and including you in fno
Yes, no more vote for BJP
The worst thing here is that there is no margin benefit for selling a cash covered call, one has to pay full margin money, even if he has underlying stock in his D mat account. Worst ever regulations of stock exchanges
The government cannot ban Rummy and Dream11 also panmasala and liquor but they take action in f&o.. The only reason is broker questioned finance mistake that got viral so the government control the brokers income..
finance mistake 🥰🤣🤣🤣
SEBI CHIEF IS NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THIS
What about the betting apps? the govt seems to be completely ignoring this major issue and they want to impose restrictions on F&O, increase short term and long term taxes, Seriously.
Yes. Betting apps openly giving advertisements. Same way Dabba trading app will come if retailers are not allowed in market as present without anymore restrictions. I dont encourage Dabba trading black money is not good for nation.
What is dabba trading ???????@@viewer-bs1ek
Nirmala left Tamil community in disgrace
Missing Mr Arun Jaitley
@@deepeshkm5627Arun Jaitley was also very dangerous.. chidambaram is good finance minister
No. She has done the right thing. You and PRS are disgrace.
@@deepeshkm5627he is the one who brought ltcg again and kept stt also 😡
I think Nirmala Seetharaman is from Karnataka
Boycott finance minister ⤵️⤵️
How ??
I am just wondering why the hell SEBI reduced the lot size initially, if eventually they have to increase it again.. seems they just make any decision without thinking about its consequences.
Its a big game behind the curtain being played to protect the gain of HNI and FII. Since last 2-3 years retailers have come and made good money and made big players game of monopoly difficulty. Thats why they don't want to enter retailers
@@MohitSharma-or9wi exactly! It’s to protect big players and for their fees. First they were happy that we are getting STT and all but now Banks are deprived of people’s savings 😅
Lets create a retail investors union
"Government want to protect the loss-makers by increasing the lot-size". LOL. In Nifty Midcap, for buyers, the lot-size 2 weeks ago was 75 and now it's 50. Their is a difference in what they say and what they do. I am new to trading and trying to learn the nitty-gritties so I didn't understood all of what you said sir. But why do I feel that this move by SEBI to curb small retailers from selling will allow large selling players to manipulate the market easily, am I right?
Yes absolutely
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FM & PM Got mad. They should retire. They have done irreparable loss to our contry.
if there are no option buyers, how sellers will sell?
What he said is if the new regultion affect sellers .Due to increase in buyers ,demand will increase , the supply (seller) will decrease which causes high premium even in out of money , then losses will be more and more for buyers eventually as moving far otm become far ,far away otm due to premium increase and high probability of expiring worth less. Instead of giving Solutions, it gives more trouble and financial losses
@harishkk I think that's what sebi wants increase in premium plus lesser strike prices could even take it higher making it unaffordable for many retailers
@@sarathnair5466 No , In the context of option buying it is not correct . If premium increase will push buyer to cheaper premium strike price , still buyers will buy but just changing strike price what he can afford. But seller will have to keep increased margin what ever strike price is. ( around in lakhs , 10k here and there)
@harishkk all option buyers are not otm buyers they buy ATM and above atleast the people I know of never trades in otm..
Otm buyers are just sitting ducks for the sellers
I do option buying but deep in the money. Not all option buyer are OTM buyers. If there will be upfront margin for option buyer then I will switch to option selling. Why would I pay upfront margin and take disadvantage of theta decay? No option buyer is so stupid that he will pay upfront margin for option buying and won’t do selling .
Mr Sunder, SEBI has announced measures to curb speculative trading only in indices & not stocks. They are keeping the lot size same in stocks. Pls give right examples to your listeners
How do you think a DMK sombu give a neutral review 😂
government can't see retailers making money. they are tweaking the rules for their bosses
Ban Olympic. Out of hundreds of athletes only few get medals.😂
I don’t agree that option seller loss logic is true in this case. Buyers and sellers both will be thrown out of market
How will buyers be thrown?
@@user-fb7sg8qr8c even one lot will be worth 20 lakhs and then 30 lakhs. Buyers will try to do OTM positions to reduce their exposure and will lost out more.
Many buyers that come with less than 50k will find it difficult to do trading with 20-30% capital as lot size is bigger.
Lot size increase is proposed only for index derivatives. Stock option sellers may not have problem
Who said
lol first read. .then talk
After manipulating stock market, madam asking f&o is for middle class? Shame Shame BJP. It's you because middle class is loss manipulation and increased tax is the reason.
Adani, Ambani, HNIs, Corporations are very Happy 😊😊😊
SEBI can simply introduce PDT rule like in USA. it requires one to have minimum $25k to do intraday trading for margin account. USA has 2 types of accounts Cash & Margin.. SEBI can restrict number of trades one can take if one has less than specified amount in his account.
All this education or certification makes no sense, any champu can earn or buy certifications.
Well said. Nothing related certifications and profit. It's all about individuals risk and emotions.
Certificates like our PM ?
This is the most clean solution... Everybody knows smoking causes cancer. The license to smoke is age 18
@@hellotrading3245or FM ?
Every month 40 lakh new retail investors enter market and loose one lakh in an average. Comady of error in Indian market 😂😂😂
Not every one has huge capital like you sir.. your view is as if only members having money should trade and the buyers should not be there , which is not right. I am with you that Govt should take better stand for the benefit of the middle class sir...
Most of the looser are buyers then ... better to stop buyers...... only seller will sell ....... seller vs seller...😂😂😂😂 seller will sell to seller....then seller will sell to seller.... seller sell ....😂😂😂..then seller sell ..
. only seller are selling....😂😂😂 And seller will sell😂😂😂
Sellers sell to whom ? 😂😂😂
@@harsharip seller sells to seller 😂😂😂....tax free
😂😂
You are incorrect, I am a buyer and I buy options only to hedge my portfolio which is big and sell only to reduce my acquisition cost.
@@rohitssharma9552 this is the correct use of options, hedge and sell insurance when you are confident
Sadly out markets are full for gamma players and trade in options with out underlying securities
I have been voting BJP from last 25 years.. I won't vote bjp if SEBI don't allow retailers to trade options as it was earlier,
Whom will you vote then?
You trade in US market, you are well aware of PDT rule.. kindly throw knowledge about that to viewers.
Even heard sadguru jaggi ji commenting on taxes / corporate tax couple of days ago. I am being forced to be DISHONEST towards my country. NOT feeling proud of being a honest tax payer
Who asked you to be honest? 😅
Save option sellers by not increasing the margin and save option byers by increase the margin for intraday trades. And that would help this middle class optin seller to not quit trading.
Only one monthly expiry per index per exchange.
Increase lot size or contract size.
These two are enough to stop hero zero or gamble trades..
But exchanges won't advice this because indeed they want more retail participation and more exchange charges, who bothers abt their losses?? No one...
If the option buyers-the small fishes go away, the bigger fishes(Insitites) will die of stravation. So, these sacrificial goats will not be touched.
No option seller no option buyer, simple!
Option buyers can not be stopped this has benefitted rich people who are sellers
Instead of taking real measures to reduce speculation they increased tax. I don't think increasing taxes will reduce speculatirs from the optionarket. I suggest Sunder sir to start a Option Market traders(both option buyers & sellers) Association through this we can suggest some ideas and suggetions to the Government. Otherwise whatever the Govt is taking steps which damage the market participation and interests of Traders. I request others to comment on this Opnion.Thank u.
'Im still middle class😂' biggest joke.. 😂😂 enna enna solrar parunga
he is speaking for us bro
He is worried , his option selling buisness is under threat. He promotes F&O and makes people to trade and loss.
@@pas3088 this move by sebi will increase option premium, more profits for sellers
@@kushanthn2338 yes, what he says is true. But he shouldn't say middle class driving rolls . 😀
Upper middle class 😂
*Please talk about credit default swap amd how can we buy in Indian market make a detailed video regarding this*
Future and option is for hedging not for gambling.
Sir I differ from your comments, that option buyers are speculators and sellers are not.
For option sellers you need to have buyers and this is universal. Equilibrium will be established only when buyers are there and one cannot avoid.If they discourage buyers then it will land in a bear market where option sellers will be speed breakers.
Pls think about this no matter the lot size or margin money enhanced ,even option buyers if they learn can make money.
The main thing is you cannot judge a person based on his closed positions if he is a option buyer or seller. Like I do itm selling and hedging with otm buying, which reduces my margin and risk as well. so what will I be called as? now if I buy 2lot of hedge against 1 lot of selling, why will I be called an option buyer?
After the day ends, in the trading ledger, all we see is sell price greater than buy price if we make profit. whether we sell or buy positions, the ledger remains the same.
Right
For positional trading hedging is must, learnt it hard way😢
@@sangouda1645 oviously
When you increase lot size it affects buyers mostly. Along with reducing strike price there will be little low premium strike price available for small buyers
Many options sellers and hedge funds are in trouble and they have not made any money last 2-3 years so they want to remove small retailers from the market
Exactly , Now a day option selling also become loss making operation as sellers always want market to be calm and quiet, but it is not happening, the swing of 1000pt happening in bnf day to day basis
@@harishkkmay be because selling has been overrated because of the internet frenzy so institutions and HNI traders have turned buyers and are making the market move by manipulating...
Sir increasing tax on cigarettes is not to punish the cigarette company but to generate more tax because users are addicted …….similarly for speculators they will continue to buy or sell …..we cry the government will laugh ….trick is to boycott the addiction so tax collection comes down ……which is not easily possible …..so why not tax higher wherever there is addiction ….like alcohol,trading,cigarettes or horse racing or gambling …….
operators don't smoke cigarettes
Don't worry sir, one day I 'll become a ruler of India and I may consider your recommendations if any....😂
This will give rise to dabba trading(illegal stock market in cash) and people having more black money. As currently everyone is trying to have maximum money in white. But this will stop in sometime. Even in propery/real estate segment, if indexation benefit is taken away, more cash deals will be happening and people will sell at circle rate only. This is bad.
Close NSE and BSE no trading or investment in equity, future, Options. Let companies raise it's own capital.
Remove FM nirmala. Change her
Agree
Remove bjp.
😂 modi kider gaya bhai
@@Banknifty_options_buyer naya jumla bna rha hoga new tax lgane ka , tax terrorrism
Brahmin is best qualification in hindu coalition government
i dont have any qualification i making good pfofit in futures and option sir please dont ask to put in qualification ..
Boycott bjp😅
problem is people who dont know knitty gritties of stock market are sitting in positions where they are taking thoughtless half knowledge actions .
Bjp will definitely loose in next election this time they won because of pawan kalyan the storm
Mostly all departments worry or frame policies for just 5% of people of India only...it's not for retail traders...some way for big players
If option buyers (90%) r losing it means only option sellers (10%) r gaining. In that case Govt can do option selling and credit the profit to a separate account from which they can compensate the losing option buyers on a quarterly basis. This way govt will at least get stt.
99% of the retailers are losing money in F&O... Some more strict measures should be taken by the government to regulate the retailers from losing money and should do some measures to improve investments in good stocks and mutual funds...
Yes, that is also my view/suggestions.
Good. ❤❤❤❤
Ask the govt to stop production of Alcohol, Cigarettes also. 😮😮😮
NS : Food is Not for middle class.
NS dirty mind:
Middle class sells food to higher class and Rich class.
She (FM, not a radio) is right! when you have gangrene to the right leg middle finger, which has PUT (not option) you in danger of life, it's a CALL (not option) that you SQARE OFF the finger. Analogically, if all fingers are cut in the first place, there is no question of developing gangrene so that the contract is settled without delivery.
Great Analysis... Very truly said... No logic in increasing lot size...
There must be a rule that one can Buy an option only if he has sold an option or shorted future etc...
Your suggestion that "SEBI should introduce regulations to deter buyers" seems to conflict with the fundamental nature of Futures & Options (F&O), where buying is a common strategy for portfolio hedging. A more feasible solution might be to link the permission to buy options to the size of one's equity portfolio. For instance, if someone has an equity portfolio worth 5 lakhs, they should be allowed to buy options proportionate to that value. This approach could prevent newcomers from treating F&O markets like a gambling platform.
Exactly this is the solution. And it could be implemented easily too. But no one would be this smart.
No sense in SEBI and FM talks to curb fno trading. If lot size is tinkered to prevent retail from trading options, then big players will die for want lof buyers.
Sir for ur kind information, strike price will also affect option buyers. Bcoz, far OTM strikes will not be there to purchase cheaper options for buyers.....
SEBI is Servant for Enhancing Business of Institutions
Please don't mislead it's not between option buyer or sellers, it's about reducing hero zero trades and gamble trades. Gamble trades can also happen from sellers side by selling naked options below 10rs on the day of expiry, the solution would be to reduce expiries to only one expiry per index a month, and secondly increasing contract size to increase barrier for small retail traders, and i donno why sunderji is speaking like this like a novice, if option buyers are greatly affected it will also affect option sellers, because the money option buyers loose is the money option sellers make, coz trading is a zero sum game, there's no industrial production happening here. If the rules are more favourable to option sellers also the profitability of option sellers has to come down, because there's no one to loose money to feed option sellers... at the end sebi or FM willnot earn something to feed all traders, it's all an equilibrium, if that is disturbed it affects everyone!!
You won't get cheap labour if middle class become independent financially ,I always saw this coming post COVID when ordinary people with minimal knowledge could make solid earning in options
Sir, the SEBI's team which is giving such solutions; I don't think anybody has any experience of ANY KIND OF OPTIONS TRADING. They are just warming the chairs in the AC cabins given by the government.
I also said the same thing,instead of increasing contract value decrease it and increase the lot size, and the money That kept in trading account broker should give us savings account interest on that with mandatory guidance
But No one is willing to educate , a simple solution is to create a Qualification Exam to do the F&O Trading. The noise will reduce significantly.
Best answer to Nirmala - no one can explain better than P R Sundar sir
Sir the proposal of SEBI rules applies only to Index Derivatives i.e, Nifty & Bank nifty futures & options and not for Stock futures & options..your example of reliance shares is not correct
U r wrong here
where it was updated
yes it is about index derivatives not about stock derivatives
Even stock derivatives will keep an hedge with Nifty
Nirmala is working for congress and Modi doesn't want anyone else to become PM in bjp so that only his name will be there
Lot size change is only for the index options.. Not for individual stock options
Upcoming next😂
If there are no buyers who are you going to sell to. Option sellers are the problem, they are manipulating / strangling the market. Maybe sebi should increase the margin for at least strikes near the ATM, the farther you sell the premium should be less
Sir i think lot size they are Talking about Index F&O not for Stocks. if they are discouraging option Buyers/Sellers. All this will enter in Stocks Intraday then More Fuss.
After making money from market you can say what ever you want . First control Fii or dii who is manipulating the market with higher wick candles.. Or increase taxes for them
If lot size reduce around 1 lakh then most of option buyers ..buy near ATM price...most of option buyers loose money in otm buying...& if strike price reduce below 50...then almost traders do not loose money continuously..so we are demand to reduce lot size below 1 lakh..then if your fortfolio share around 1 lakh ..you can also hedge in future or call option...
Please note that option buyers are not speculators; I have bought 23K December PE when NIFTY crossed 24K, added 24K PE when NIFTY touched 25K; I am at a total loss of 12K in options; but my portfolio is up by 87K. I am doing hedging by buying PE; I am ok loosing 25K by December even if NIFTY stays above 24K; but I can't take a shock like June 4th; I don't want to square off my portfolio for the next 5 years...
Simplest measure would have been to set a rule that to trade option buying, traders should have atleast 2 lakh in his trading account at the start of the day. It can keep small traders away. even if some is speculative with 2.5 lakh with start of the day. he looses some amount.. next day he would not be able to trade if his account size goes down to 2 lakh.
What you saying sir ?
Nifty current lot size is 25 and margin for selling 1 lakh approximate
If increase the lot size to 100 and margin is 4 lakhs
It's affect 1 lakh capital sellers not 4 lot or above traders right
The plan is not to reduce buying or selling it is to earn more tax. As of now, everyone will be paying more tax due to increased lot size plus higher tax rate.
YES TAX TERRORISM
Sir one more thing is that options in general are highly volatile and unstable and unreliable instruments. However there is never going to be a case such as GameStop in India given we have UC limits and all. It was totally stupid of SEBI to have removed margin benefits for cash market.
SEBI can make NISM 8 compulsory for enabling F&O segment
The new regulations don't seem to save option buyers who really lose money, but target retail option sellers amd safe guarding fii and diis..
Hi sir
Sebi said going to increase lot size only for index derivatives not for equity derivatives please correct me if I am wrong..
After SEBI removed the excess margin allowed by brokers to traders in 2021, options volumes have increased at a faster speed. This indicates that even after the newly proposed very harsh measures may not have any effect and losses to raw traders will continue. This is nothing unique to India. Worldwide the success ratio in fno trading is similar to that of India.
Simple question sir, only 5% who make profit only pay taxes so why worry about that, entire Stock Market is speculation, so why bother about benefit of people who play with large money and speculate. SEBI will always form rules so that it benefits the government. This is a unnecessary discussion. Stock market is just a money exchange board, no real value is created.
1) In SEBIs consultation paper, the increase in LOT is only for Index option not for stock option..
If there are no option buyers then to whom will you sell? There are many profitable option buyers . The problem is the constant fight between option sellers and buyers in the social media which has given the government and SEBI to bring these changes
FM measure is correct as most middle class people lost considerable money in F&O. F&O is only a gambling in the stock market. One will lose 100% money at the expiry date. Premiums will melt every day in one direction. In F&O only option sellers can earn exorbitant money. Selling can be done by one who has more than lakhs of Rupees as Brokers would demand huge margin.
I think option traders should be npt allowed to trade if they are making losses more than 35 to 40 % of their income . The brokers do tale income proof before activating fno . So software can be used to block the account where loss reaches the threshold
Put option buying should be allowed only if you have shares. Call option buying should be allowed only if you have 100% margin. Ban index derivatives altogether for retail investors
They cleverly removed the leavarage given by brokerage firms upto 40x for equity trading. They made everyone should trade in options. Then further they introduced everyday expiry to promote options. if they bring back earlier rule before equity margin for retail traders most of the retail traders will do only equity trading...
Very logical explanation. Govt is being over active. It is too much interference.
The simple reason why more FnO traders is because. 1. People suffering with huge inflation
2. Low return for traditional investments and that too taxed higher
3. Very high tax with no return
So people started thinking about making more money and thanks to social media and influencers, people learned about this and made money