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Great video. I’m a huge fan of Old Town. I hope in the near future they sell that drive separately so I can put it in my sportsman 120 pdl. It’d be a shame if they didn’t.
Looks like a well thought out, well engineered $6000 kayak. 👍. I have a $3500 Hobie Outback that I put a $1500 Bixpy drive on to serve as my motorized “big water kayak”. I can also mount the same drive on my $1000 Wilderness Systems Tarpon and have a very maneuverable “skinny water” kayak for the same money.
Great run down! As a Jackson eDrive owner, I realize that controlling the speed, etc. will involve use of my feet/toes to turn rheostat (Jackson) and now buttons for the OldTown in order to keep from having to constantly lean over. I think a reach stick to hit the buttons would also be useful, since a remote FOB like the autopilot uses would be too much money added.
I’m not super familiar with the autopilot fob, but it would’ve been very easy to adapt a fob to this motor. It shouldn’t have been all that of an expensive option.
@@DarrinBoggs-jh1vp Since the ePDL still relies on a rudder for steering, the motor is unidirectional and the FOB would only be for on/off and speed control. Plus- the clutch still needs the pedals to disengage the drive for reversing. If the steering could be remote controlled, that would be good-but the steering mechanism is different than the autopilot which has it integrated into the trolling motor.
A fob similar to what bixpy has wouldn’t have been hard to integrate. It could’ve easily operated the motor independent of the clutch. No different than a e-bike using a thumb or twist throttle and also having the assist with the pedals.
You know how I feel about motors on yaks. That said, this is definitely innovation and a really good marriage of muscle with electic power and just makes sense. Heck, I'd even be willing to give the hull and system a test drive to see if it'd fit my needs. See, I'm not allergic to change.
We're embarking on a nationwide ePDL+ demo tour starting in late August through the fall. Swing by a tour stop near you! We'll publish and promote a tour schedule soon. We look forward to having you give it a try.
@@ThatGuy-qg4ww FF launched an innovative system, no doubt. The patented ePDL+ gives the angler the ability to utilize manual pedal, power e-assist (like an e-bike), or full motorized mode. Lots of options on the market for anglers these days!
@OldTownCanoeKayak my biggest issue is that I've a background in kayak racing. I like my hulls skinny, long, sharp-veed, and fast. I understand all hulls are purpose built. The type I prefer is built to the purpose of efficient passages over standing/deck space. I make funny faces trying to figure out how anyone comfortably paddles a heavy, wide, flat-bottomed hull from an elevated seat. So, for me to consider trying it, it is quite the achievement there for y'all.
My kayak outing/ fishing time of pedaling is 2-1/2 hrs straight two to three times a week, but when it's time to get back to the launch in a hurry due to bad weather or a fish that needs to be filleted in a hurry, the cruise control with the higher speed is going to be great. I might add that I love my Sportsman 120 PDL and I did add a bow and stern light for trying to avoid being a "Speed Bump" as the lobster guys calls us kayakers.
Nice video! As for the kayak all I gotta say is “nope” 😂 for 6k I can get an autopilot with a nice battery for that price. One thing I will say is I watched a podcast with some anglers on genes channel, I think it was drew Gregory that said this kayak is built for people that want to just have fun, but for tournaments this is not the kayak for that, but like you said, this looks better for people who may not be able to use normal peddle powers. Keep up the awesome icast video!
This is a really cool idea in my opinion. They missed when they didnt make it available to older bigwaters and predators. So the Bigwater Pdl still has the same problem of rudder in the way on the stern so we cant mount a motor back there without replacing the rudder.
The epdl does look cool & the whole trolling motor on kayak is cool. But on other hand I think trolling motor on kayaks kinda making some people lazy too. Now people that wanna get out on water in a kayak but are to out of shape or lazy to paddle or pedal just use some type of propulsion. Otherwise they wouldn't be out on a kayak if they actually had to do the work to get around. I've been kayak fishing for just over 9yrs now. I've always had a pedal drive & never owned a trolling motor. I wouldn't put a trolling motor on my yak if someone gave it to me. I'm fine peddling. I can peddle all day all weekend without getting worn out or sore. Its easier than walking. Way more stealthy & quiet than a trolling motors. To each their own...
To each their own, indeed! We can appreciate those who choose full manual propulsion. We definitely have something for everyone within out lineup. See you out on the water!
That epdl would be a great one to try and make modification brackets to fit other kayaks. Would love to see it fit my P127 that I just bought. Unfortunately, I would probably would have to register my kayak, in Missouri, since it might be considered a trolling motor. I think states need to rethink kayak rules.
Thanks for the feedback! We're doing a demo tour this fall around the US. We encourage you to come give one a try when we're in a town near you. We look forward to meeting you. Also, another great option is the Old Town Sportsman 106 Powered by Minn Kota - fully motorized and only 10' long.
@chadhooverfishing @oldtownwatercraft already a phenomenal boat and look forward to its release to the public. Only thing in my opinion that would make it better is the ability to charge the battery when you pedal. WHAT A BOAT!!!
In my opinion it’s all about how far you want to take it. I don’t think there’s any mistake by adding something like this to the market. Not many people are going to be buying 6 thousand dollar kayaks and I’ll probably see one of these at a boat ramp in my entire life. But for someone in the market I don’t see the harm.
No - you'll need to remove the battery from the hull to recharge between uses. However, you have substantial battery life due to the fact that anglers operate the kayak in various modes when out on the water
I can see the ePDL being the future across the OT line. However, if they don't give the customer the ability to choose which PDL at the time purchase, that would be a big mistake. Let's hope they don't phase out their PDL customers. :)
The standard PDL drive is a mainstay in our lineup. We don't have any plans to phase out the standard PDL drive - this adds another option to our lineup for those looking to bridge the gap between manual PDL and motorized with one clean system.
I'll be waiting for the first year to see if these hybrid drives are robust or not. OT would sell a lot of them on their own, I don't swallow the liability argument against this, people buy independent drives/modify them for all kinds of boats, its up to you, to rig it all correctly/safely. The original OT PDL drive is hands down, the best on the market, robust/reliable, hence 5 year warranty, but combining a powered motor/clutch, on a pedal mechanism is a tricky one, hopefully OT got it right. One problem I suspect is heating up of lubes in the casing, causing dry out/jamming issues, overt time. Hopefully the designers have thought this through. The only problem I ever had with a OT PDL, was once when I had a Predator towed in, they forgot to lift the prop, the pedals were flying around crazy fast for too long, the gears heated up, caused lube to burn up/dry out and the drive was constantly locking up after that. Had to take it totally apart clean/grind clean, everything, but it went back to work just fine, however a hybrid might not be such an easy fix. Good luck OT.
I fished out of a kayak for a year, recently upgraded to a jon boat and will never go back. Kayaks are cool as hell but for a cheap jon boat and even if you put a 15hp motor on it youll still feel like your flying compared to a kayak. Ive got a 25hp yamaha and can do 30mph. Going 4mph in a kayak just sucked. I also have spotlock and livescope.
I think they are going to cause a shakeup and possibly issues in some of the various Tournament Series. Take the Hobie BOS with their no motor rules, they allow pedal kayaks, but are they going to ban the ePDL+ from use or put people on the Honor System, if they do the latter how long before accusations from other competitors come up and cause more headaches. Having a definitive separation between Paddle, Pedal, and Power is still a better route than a hybrid model such as this, at least in my opinion at least for tournament fishing.
Tournament fishing is a very small part of the consumer market. This is still a motorized craft so if motors aren’t allowed then this is very clearly not allowed
I would have preferred a light throw and go aka Hobie Lynx, Bonafide SKF117, or an inflatable. In the $2000. -$2500 price point with the PDL. FeelFree’s overdrive is a cheaper alternative
Those are great options, too. The beautiful thing about our sport right now is that there are so many great options to suit anyone's needs. See you on the water!
@@OldTownCanoeKayak Think about the older first time buyer. At 60 and a cancer survivor weight and ease of transport is very important. So innovation would be light weight easy to transport with the tried an true PDL drive
Yes - the drive kicks up. The half-moon console lock-down knob is designed as a sacrificial part - if you strike an obstacle hard enough, that clip will break (intentionally) to prevent damage to the drive. There is a kill switch in the drive console, so if a hard-strike happens, it breaks connection if its under power.
It all depends on various factors (angler weight, conditions, etc.). It is spec'd for 3 hours in top speed full motorized mode (speed 5); ~12 hours in speed 4; ~20 hours in speed 3; ~30 hours in speed 2; ~40 hours in speed 1. When using this kayak for fishing you'll utilize various modes while augmenting with a lot of human power which vastly increases battery life. Bottom line, it all depends, but it has generous battery life. And if you run out of battery, its still a fully manual PDL drive.
This looks pretty sweet until that clutch starts fkin up or gearing system. The more complex you make something, the more chances of it breaking. Will be interesting to see if this ends up being a better platform than the autopilot. Idk if I'm willing to spend 6k on anything other than a kayak with 360 propulsion.. hell that don't even get me buying at that price point. I'd rather buy a small skiff to take my kid on.
To each their own, for sure! Lots of great options on the market these days. We're doing a demo tour this fall (starting in late August). Swing by and give one a test drive. We'd love to meet you. See you on the water!
Mmm.. nah.. I think Natives new titan 12.5 put OT in the red on this one.. for that kinda coin, you can get a motorguide with spotlock and a 100ah lithium, plus a live scope, on a better designed fishing platform..
I personally believe they are out of touch with their customer base. 6k for a compromise drive system. They should have made it a drop in upgrade for existing hulls and customers...
operating pedal drive , no tag needed , E bikes don't require tags , ( under 25 mph) Do you need too tag this kayak if using under power ? Technically your operating a motor ,?????
mistake, it was a product nobody asked for. no cross combability with there older pdl drives. the stock battery they sell you is way to tiny imo. no regen charging. its a yak no one in the industry wanted or needed. at this point they should work on a yak motor capable of higher speeds. something over 10mph.
It's the hulls not the motors limiting designed speeds. You want stable for all added weight and can stand up? You have to sacrifice some speed. Fast yaks have sharper angled hulls and are more tippy.
@@olliehughes6774 Very true, water resistance is distributed along the length of the hull so faster kayaks are long and skinny reducing drag and use the length to further minimize the water resistance.
There's something for everyone out there on the market these days. We're OK if this isn't for you, but come give one a test drive this fall on our demo tour. The Battery size and chemistry choice was all about having the most power-dense battery we could get but as small as possible. It's the equivalent to a 12v 60AH battery, but much smaller and lighter.
It’s a $1500 kayak with a $4500 pdl w/ 3hr runtime motor. Nope. I can pick up a new dealer BW132 for $1100, add a spot locking xi3 with an all day lithium 60Ah batt for about half that $6k price tag. Not making it backwards compatible with all the pdls they’ve already sold tsk tsk. Price too high and not for their existing community. Did not live up to the hype in my book.
Why don't the kayak mfgs. put their energy in finding a way to make a better poly boat that the sun will not rot in a few years? I know, they sell more boats if they don't. For the price these things go for, UV should not affect them.
Old town missed big by not making this an accessory. It’s bs about kill switches lol. Any kayak person can rig a kill switch. Also, I have never heard a yaker say he can’t wait to go out in high swells or choppy water lol😂.. 7000$ salty crap..
Stopped watching halfway through. This is just an Old Town commercial. Lol'd when you said it was a good choice for someone who couldn't pedal. For almost every need tgis boat supposedly meets, there is a better solution out there. If this boat sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it'll be on sale.
@@OldTownCanoeKayak For a total of about $300 plus the cost of a battery, a person can cut out a filler plate and install a minn kota endura max 40. I just did exactly that for my Salty after seeing what the ePDL looked like, and the price. If Johnson Outdoors doesn't start making drop in electrics for their existing kayak line, someone like NV will and completely own the wide open market.
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Thank you
Great video. I’m a huge fan of Old Town. I hope in the near future they sell that drive separately so I can put it in my sportsman 120 pdl. It’d be a shame if they didn’t.
Looks like a well thought out, well engineered $6000 kayak. 👍. I have a $3500 Hobie Outback that I put a $1500 Bixpy drive on to serve as my motorized “big water kayak”. I can also mount the same drive on my $1000 Wilderness Systems Tarpon and have a very maneuverable “skinny water” kayak for the same money.
Love seeing Chad embrace those ARMY camo patterns!!
Bro, it’s Camo camp, not Army Camo… LOL
@@ChadHooverFishing It's ALL ARMY CAMO!
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Great run down! As a Jackson eDrive owner, I realize that controlling the speed, etc. will involve use of my feet/toes to turn rheostat (Jackson) and now buttons for the OldTown in order to keep from having to constantly lean over. I think a reach stick to hit the buttons would also be useful, since a remote FOB like the autopilot uses would be too much money added.
I kinda like the stick idea. Maybe a corded control that could be closer to the angler could work too?
I’m not super familiar with the autopilot fob, but it would’ve been very easy to adapt a fob to this motor. It shouldn’t have been all that of an expensive option.
@@DarrinBoggs-jh1vp Since the ePDL still relies on a rudder for steering, the motor is unidirectional and the FOB would only be for on/off and speed control. Plus- the clutch still needs the pedals to disengage the drive for reversing. If the steering could be remote controlled, that would be good-but the steering mechanism is different than the autopilot which has it integrated into the trolling motor.
A fob similar to what bixpy has wouldn’t have been hard to integrate. It could’ve easily operated the motor independent of the clutch. No different than a e-bike using a thumb or twist throttle and also having the assist with the pedals.
You know how I feel about motors on yaks. That said, this is definitely innovation and a really good marriage of muscle with electic power and just makes sense. Heck, I'd even be willing to give the hull and system a test drive to see if it'd fit my needs. See, I'm not allergic to change.
Feel free overdrive though
We're embarking on a nationwide ePDL+ demo tour starting in late August through the fall. Swing by a tour stop near you! We'll publish and promote a tour schedule soon. We look forward to having you give it a try.
@@ThatGuy-qg4ww FF launched an innovative system, no doubt. The patented ePDL+ gives the angler the ability to utilize manual pedal, power e-assist (like an e-bike), or full motorized mode. Lots of options on the market for anglers these days!
@OldTownCanoeKayak my biggest issue is that I've a background in kayak racing. I like my hulls skinny, long, sharp-veed, and fast. I understand all hulls are purpose built. The type I prefer is built to the purpose of efficient passages over standing/deck space. I make funny faces trying to figure out how anyone comfortably paddles a heavy, wide, flat-bottomed hull from an elevated seat. So, for me to consider trying it, it is quite the achievement there for y'all.
The drive is interesting. If they release it on the Sportsman 120 hull I’d be interested. Never on a BigWater!!
My kayak outing/ fishing time of pedaling is 2-1/2 hrs straight two to three times a week, but when it's time to get back to the launch in a hurry due to bad weather or a fish that needs to be filleted in a hurry, the cruise control with the higher speed is going to be great. I might add that I love my Sportsman 120 PDL and I did add a bow and stern light for trying to avoid being a "Speed Bump" as the lobster guys calls us kayakers.
Nice video! As for the kayak all I gotta say is “nope” 😂 for 6k I can get an autopilot with a nice battery for that price. One thing I will say is I watched a podcast with some anglers on genes channel, I think it was drew Gregory that said this kayak is built for people that want to just have fun, but for tournaments this is not the kayak for that, but like you said, this looks better for people who may not be able to use normal peddle powers. Keep up the awesome icast video!
Fair enough!
true but remember this is for big water. if and when that autopilot fails (and it can) you are left paddling a heavy boat is seas, current and wind.
We've definitely got something for everyone within our lineup!
@@ericr1382 get a regular pedal kayak like a hobie or native or jackson or old town and then just slap a motor on it for the same price or less
@@imperialwhovian3461 lol. I've rocking a Hobie pa 14 now for years love it, works for my fishing fresh and saltwater here in San Diego.
This is a really cool idea in my opinion. They missed when they didnt make it available to older bigwaters and predators.
So the Bigwater Pdl still has the same problem of rudder in the way on the stern so we cant mount a motor back there without replacing the rudder.
would be awesome if they made these compatible with the older models so you can upgrade your 2022 model to this new drive.
That’s a lot of what other are saying too
Thanks for the feedback!
If ever they add spot-lock I’m sold 👍
Kinda not what this boat was designed for
Being from Texas, and being motorized. Will I have to get this registered?
Yes
The epdl does look cool & the whole trolling motor on kayak is cool. But on other hand I think trolling motor on kayaks kinda making some people lazy too. Now people that wanna get out on water in a kayak but are to out of shape or lazy to paddle or pedal just use some type of propulsion. Otherwise they wouldn't be out on a kayak if they actually had to do the work to get around. I've been kayak fishing for just over 9yrs now. I've always had a pedal drive & never owned a trolling motor. I wouldn't put a trolling motor on my yak if someone gave it to me. I'm fine peddling. I can peddle all day all weekend without getting worn out or sore. Its easier than walking. Way more stealthy & quiet than a trolling motors. To each their own...
To each their own, indeed! We can appreciate those who choose full manual propulsion. We definitely have something for everyone within out lineup. See you out on the water!
Will this work on other kayaks too?
Great video! The guy walking through 😂
Right?! Some people’s kids. Thanks for watching
Some people...
Ryan is the best!
He does a great job.
Awww, shucks Thanks, Aliex.
@@ChadHooverFishing Thanks, man.
The ePdl is cool but for the price? I think I prefer the Native Watercraft Titan X Propel with all of the insane features it offers.
That epdl would be a great one to try and make modification brackets to fit other kayaks. Would love to see it fit my P127 that I just bought. Unfortunately, I would probably would have to register my kayak, in Missouri, since it might be considered a trolling motor. I think states need to rethink kayak rules.
You would definitely have to register it
And I doubt you could really just make a bracket for other kayaks because of how much the electronics is incorporated into the design
@ChadHooverFishing let's see how good their engineers are....lol
As a handicapped man. This looks exciting, but I need it in a smaller kayak.
Thanks for the feedback
That hull design is not the most stable! 120 PDL would be perfect!
Get something lightweight and just add an Xi3 onto the bow.
@@ArbitraryLifestylethis. If a person can't pedal this is a bad choice. Get an ascend and put a bow mount trolling motor on it. Far better choice
Thanks for the feedback! We're doing a demo tour this fall around the US. We encourage you to come give one a try when we're in a town near you. We look forward to meeting you. Also, another great option is the Old Town Sportsman 106 Powered by Minn Kota - fully motorized and only 10' long.
Will the epdl counsel fit original pdl
@chadhooverfishing @oldtownwatercraft already a phenomenal boat and look forward to its release to the public. Only thing in my opinion that would make it better is the ability to charge the battery when you pedal. WHAT A BOAT!!!
That would be pretty dang cool!
In my opinion it’s all about how far you want to take it. I don’t think there’s any mistake by adding something like this to the market. Not many people are going to be buying 6 thousand dollar kayaks and I’ll probably see one of these at a boat ramp in my entire life. But for someone in the market I don’t see the harm.
Can you recharge the battery while you're in manual mode?
No - you'll need to remove the battery from the hull to recharge between uses. However, you have substantial battery life due to the fact that anglers operate the kayak in various modes when out on the water
Good review buddy, I definitely want to demo it 😊
Demo tour kicks off in late August! Stay tuned for a demo date near you!
I can see the ePDL being the future across the OT line. However, if they don't give the customer the ability to choose which PDL at the time purchase, that would be a big mistake.
Let's hope they don't phase out their PDL customers. :)
The standard PDL drive is a mainstay in our lineup. We don't have any plans to phase out the standard PDL drive - this adds another option to our lineup for those looking to bridge the gap between manual PDL and motorized with one clean system.
@@OldTownCanoeKayak That's good to hear, I was a bit worried-lol. Thank you for the reply! :)
I'll be waiting for the first year to see if these hybrid drives are robust or not. OT would sell a lot of them on their own, I don't swallow the liability argument against this, people buy independent drives/modify them for all kinds of boats, its up to you, to rig it all correctly/safely. The original OT PDL drive is hands down, the best on the market, robust/reliable, hence 5 year warranty, but combining a powered motor/clutch, on a pedal mechanism is a tricky one, hopefully OT got it right. One problem I suspect is heating up of lubes in the casing, causing dry out/jamming issues, overt time. Hopefully the designers have thought this through. The only problem I ever had with a OT PDL, was once when I had a Predator towed in, they forgot to lift the prop, the pedals were flying around crazy fast for too long, the gears heated up, caused lube to burn up/dry out and the drive was constantly locking up after that. Had to take it totally apart clean/grind clean, everything, but it went back to work just fine, however a hybrid might not be such an easy fix. Good luck OT.
Thanks for the in-depth response
Dream kayak😮
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I fished out of a kayak for a year, recently upgraded to a jon boat and will never go back. Kayaks are cool as hell but for a cheap jon boat and even if you put a 15hp motor on it youll still feel like your flying compared to a kayak. Ive got a 25hp yamaha and can do 30mph. Going 4mph in a kayak just sucked. I also have spotlock and livescope.
I think they are going to cause a shakeup and possibly issues in some of the various Tournament Series. Take the Hobie BOS with their no motor rules, they allow pedal kayaks, but are they going to ban the ePDL+ from use or put people on the Honor System, if they do the latter how long before accusations from other competitors come up and cause more headaches. Having a definitive separation between Paddle, Pedal, and Power is still a better route than a hybrid model such as this, at least in my opinion at least for tournament fishing.
Tournament fishing is a very small part of the consumer market. This is still a motorized craft so if motors aren’t allowed then this is very clearly not allowed
If motors aren't allowed in a tournament, anglers can plop in a standard BigWater PDL drive into this kayak to make it legal for tournament use.
I remember the camo 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
I would have preferred a light throw and go aka Hobie Lynx, Bonafide SKF117, or an inflatable. In the $2000. -$2500 price point with the PDL. FeelFree’s overdrive is a cheaper alternative
Something like a wider / more fishing oriented Hobie Passport 12.5 R ($1,999)?
Those are great options, too. The beautiful thing about our sport right now is that there are so many great options to suit anyone's needs. See you on the water!
@@OldTownCanoeKayak Think about the older first time buyer. At 60 and a cancer survivor weight and ease of transport is very important. So innovation would be light weight easy to transport with the tried an true PDL drive
Hobie i trek 9 is hard to beat. Only 28 pounds with drive. Perfect for small inland water
Only thing missing is the swivel seat like the Native TitanX has.
But why did they not include spot lock and track recording. I won’t give that up. It was also the time to add integrated humminbird tracking.
🤷🏻♂️
What happens when you hit a log, does it kick up?
Yes - the drive kicks up. The half-moon console lock-down knob is designed as a sacrificial part - if you strike an obstacle hard enough, that clip will break (intentionally) to prevent damage to the drive. There is a kill switch in the drive console, so if a hard-strike happens, it breaks connection if its under power.
How long battery lasts ?
It all depends on various factors (angler weight, conditions, etc.). It is spec'd for 3 hours in top speed full motorized mode (speed 5); ~12 hours in speed 4; ~20 hours in speed 3; ~30 hours in speed 2; ~40 hours in speed 1. When using this kayak for fishing you'll utilize various modes while augmenting with a lot of human power which vastly increases battery life. Bottom line, it all depends, but it has generous battery life. And if you run out of battery, its still a fully manual PDL drive.
I was wondering when somebody was going to do this since there's already bikes that do that why not a pedal kayak?
It will totally change the way anglers experience the water!
I love it
This would be perfect for me not being able to pedal with back issues I have. Great info Chad. Thanks
This looks pretty sweet until that clutch starts fkin up or gearing system. The more complex you make something, the more chances of it breaking. Will be interesting to see if this ends up being a better platform than the autopilot. Idk if I'm willing to spend 6k on anything other than a kayak with 360 propulsion.. hell that don't even get me buying at that price point. I'd rather buy a small skiff to take my kid on.
To each their own, for sure! Lots of great options on the market these days. We're doing a demo tour this fall (starting in late August). Swing by and give one a test drive. We'd love to meet you. See you on the water!
Hats off to old town, and I don’t want to hijack, but chad, my p127 needs something like this. I think you need to put a bug in their ear.
Thanks!
Against the wind in the ocean it will come in handy/ footy.
Can you use it in 120 pdl?
The video tells you- it is a matched set for this hull.
No; it’s designed specifically for this boat
Mmm.. nah.. I think Natives new titan 12.5 put OT in the red on this one.. for that kinda coin, you can get a motorguide with spotlock and a 100ah lithium, plus a live scope, on a better designed fishing platform..
No doubt Native did a great job on that kayak! There's something for everyone these days - it's a great time to be a kayak angler!
why not gears like a bike. pinion has a cool system with 9-12 internal gears. get the rig up to 20mph
You’d have to ask Old Town
Can you make on I can put on my Hobie
Great kayak for handicapped peeps. It $6Freaking Grand for a kayak is a way to expensive kayak.
Yeah, it’s definitely not cheap
lol. rember its a hobby, its not a necessity. you pay to play and its up to us to have a real budget, some have larger budgets then others.
I personally believe they are out of touch with their customer base. 6k for a compromise drive system. They should have made it a drop in upgrade for existing hulls and customers...
This looks great. But 6 grand? Pass. Way out of my range lol.
Yes, it is expensive, but it includes all you need to get out on the water.
operating pedal drive , no tag needed , E bikes don't require tags , ( under 25 mph) Do you need too tag this kayak if using under power ? Technically your operating a motor ,?????
I still don't understand why old town isn't making skiff too. Come on guys.. throw out a couple skiff options.
Thanks for the feedback! 👊
Meh give us ipilot link with a stronger 12v motor
I hear that quite a bit
mistake, it was a product nobody asked for. no cross combability with there older pdl drives. the stock battery they sell you is way to tiny imo. no regen charging. its a yak no one in the industry wanted or needed. at this point they should work on a yak motor capable of higher speeds. something over 10mph.
It's the hulls not the motors limiting designed speeds. You want stable for all added weight and can stand up? You have to sacrifice some speed. Fast yaks have sharper angled hulls and are more tippy.
@@olliehughes6774 Very true, water resistance is distributed along the length of the hull so faster kayaks are long and skinny reducing drag and use the length to further minimize the water resistance.
There's something for everyone out there on the market these days. We're OK if this isn't for you, but come give one a test drive this fall on our demo tour. The Battery size and chemistry choice was all about having the most power-dense battery we could get but as small as possible. It's the equivalent to a 12v 60AH battery, but much smaller and lighter.
Gezz they really will try anything to beat the unbeatable SS127
The SS127 is a great platform, too. There's something for everyone out there these days!
It’s a $1500 kayak with a $4500 pdl w/ 3hr runtime motor. Nope. I can pick up a new dealer BW132 for $1100, add a spot locking xi3 with an all day lithium 60Ah batt for about half that $6k price tag. Not making it backwards compatible with all the pdls they’ve already sold tsk tsk. Price too high and not for their existing community. Did not live up to the hype in my book.
Thanks for the feedback! There is something for everyone on the market these days if this isn't for you. See you on the water!
Its not for me, just like i dont like ebikes. I rather just have a motor!
Why don't the kayak mfgs. put their energy in finding a way to make a better poly boat that the sun will not rot in a few years? I know, they sell more boats if they don't. For the price these things go for, UV should not affect them.
Old town missed big by not making this an accessory. It’s bs about kill switches lol. Any kayak person can rig a kill switch. Also, I have never heard a yaker say he can’t wait to go out in high swells or choppy water lol😂.. 7000$ salty crap..
Thanks for the feedback! See you out there on the water!
Too much money IMO.
Stopped watching halfway through. This is just an Old Town commercial. Lol'd when you said it was a good choice for someone who couldn't pedal.
For almost every need tgis boat supposedly meets, there is a better solution out there. If this boat sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it'll be on sale.
There is definitely something for everyone on the market these days. Lots of great options and configurations to match anyone's budget or desire. 👊
@@OldTownCanoeKayak For a total of about $300 plus the cost of a battery, a person can cut out a filler plate and install a minn kota endura max 40. I just did exactly that for my Salty after seeing what the ePDL looked like, and the price.
If Johnson Outdoors doesn't start making drop in electrics for their existing kayak line, someone like NV will and completely own the wide open market.