Lawn Tractor vs Garden Tractor
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- In this video I talk about the 4 main differences between a true Garden Tractor and a Lawn Tractor.
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I have a 1990 Wheel Horse 520h. Best tractor I have ever owned. Still going strong today!
Love the Vintage Sears/Craftsman and Wheel horse tractors
It’s quite amazing your knowledge and skill set at your age. I’m glad to know there are young people out there like you, keep on saving and sharing !
Great video Norman. I can think of one more important point that needs to be considered when talking about lawn vs garden tractors:
40+ years ago, people went to their John Deere, IH, Wheel Horse, Bolens, etc. dealer to buy a machine that they could use around their property to do any job they needed without having to pay the price of a farm tractor. Garden tractors were just that - a small farm tractor. Garden tractor manufacturers focused less on lawn care, and more on other tasks their tractors could handle (snow removal, digging, PTO-driven attachments, log splitting, brush-hogging, flail- or sickle-bar mowing, etc). Many of these attachments are rare and hard to find today because they lost popularity among homeowners. With the advent of commercial mowers (like the zero-turn) within the past 25 years, the focus has shifted away from landscaping and yard work (tractor work), and more towards lawn care. Back then, if you ordered a garden tractor new, the mower deck was optional.
Today, most lawn/garden tractors come standard with a mower deck, and it seems pointless to buy a tractor WITHOUT one. The modern lawn and garden tractor manufacturers try to sell more "lawn mowers" than tractors. It's become a multi-billion dollar market, and all the manufacturers want a piece of it, so they try to sell as many "cheap" lawn tractors as they can. As a result, people go out to their local big-box store intending to buy a machine that will just mow their lawn once every week or two, and won't be doing any other significant jobs around the yard (most people will hire a company to do landscaping, hardscaping, and other contractor work, rather than doing it themselves). 40 years ago, nobody cared about whose lawn had the nicest stripes or the straightest lines in the neighborhood.
Good point!
Do you and I just watch all the same stuff on TH-cam? Lol
Great minds think alike! lol
Excellent write up
yep, alot has changed in 40 yrs
Norman, that was the most simplistic and informative information I have ever came across regarding differences between garden tractors & lawn tractors. I found it be very helpful. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you for explaining this. I get tired of people thinking my vintage cub cadet IH is just a little riding mower. Good video👍
Another easy way to tell between the two is use use of bolts to hold the rear wheels on garden tractors versus one C clip or cotter pin to hold the rear wheels on lawn tractors. Great video Norman!
I have garden tractor rear ends that are c-clip to hold the rear wheels on
Cowgirl Motorsports then they aren’t real garden tractors, IMO garden tractors should have 4-5 lug rear ends
71_Sears my ford lgt 100 has real lugs. Super strong frame. Love the thing
Zach Novosad nice, I have a 73’ wheel horse 8hp with a 8 speed trans. It has the 5 lug hubs. In low range even in 3rd gear it crawls and could easily pull just as much if not more than the new gt/lt’s with 17-18hp engines can simply because the gearing is way more superior on the wheelhorse
@@dakotakelly9371 Yes they Are REAL Garden Tractors, They are Craftsman gt6000 with 1 inch axle shafts
Incredible! Thank you for explaining this to those of us who are completely clueless!
I bought my John Deere LX-178 in 1993 from a licensed dealer, not a big box store. $4,300. Two-cylinder 15 HP liquid-cooled engine. I considered it to be a lawn tractor because that's all I wanted it to do other than last a long time, which it has. I have almost an acre of lawn. I can barely lift the back end 1/4" off the ground. It runs like a champ. It came with a 38" deck with the recycling option (which works great). Around 2007 I was able to buy an almost new 44" Piranha dedicated recycling deck. Hard to find, and highly sought after. It pulverizes grass clippings and leaves into dust. Now the 38" deck is my back up.
I have Broken it down into four class's for home owners. Lawn tractor Yard tractor garden tractor utility tractor.
Lawn tractor is purely to mow, light weight and usually only offer mowing decks and bagger. Yard tractors offer mowers blowers and may tow a small cart on occasion while still being a light weight. Garden tractors do all above plus engage ground with options such as tillers post hole diggers and push blades with possibly hydraulic and multiple more robust pto and attachment points. Utility tractor basically a small general purpose farm tractor that can accept a bucket and back hoe but still have mower and blower option.
I love these type videos keep Them coming Please. That Simplicity is Sweet!!!
Helpful summary, thanks for posting.
Great video Norm!! I put your video on a playlist on my channel. This is one of the best ways to explain the differences.
thanks norman for another great video
Thank you Norman never to old to learn something new I've been looking at my old Dayton tractor as if it was a true garden tractor now I see the difference I have three lawn tractors a Troybilt & Lawnchief & Sears the differences I notice is the weight and the rear axle is a little bigger with bigger rear wheels I'm looking for a carburetor for the Dayton to get it back up and running it may not be a true garden tractor but I like it do to it's old like me and I enjoy keeping old things running
Another GREAT video!
Biggest difference in my opinion is the trans axles. Engines are usually not much different between models, frames might be beefier but mostly at least nowadays it's just a bigger, stronger trans axle.
I work in small engine repair shop and those are my observations
Thank you for the share man, it was very interesting
Salut Norman,
Merci pour tes vidéos, vivement les beaux jours que je puisse bricoler à nouveau mes MF1200. Tes vidéos sont pour nous passionnés un vrai plaisir. 😉
Entirely agree with your comparison. Good vid!
I have a 1968 penncraft yard tractor with a 7 horse Briggs. I say yard as it’s a mix. It’s small. But very capable. Has a peerless 700 with a 3 speed h pattern, and a chain drive(8 tooth to 60 tooth) It is a really capable machine! I primarily use it for woodwork.. I pull logs so big I can barely budge them! I pull them almost daily. And I have been doing for the past 4 years! I pull them with my tractor! You can see my videos of it. Yes, I can kinda lift the tractor. But not really. It has all steel and many cast iron parts. You can also go on tractor data. I uploaded a picture on the information for the tractor. It was built by mtd. And is labeled as the “mtd 460”. Don’t let the pictures deceive you! It’s a solid piece of machinery! Much better then all the new cheap plastic stuff. Point is. Although it’s small. It’s a great, heavy duty, what I’d call it. Garden tractor!
If you read this thanks for reading!
Hey Norman comment yesterday about my fathers 122 cub cadet . Along with buying the tractor he bought the rotor tiller , snow thrower and I believe the mower deck is a 54 inch he also bought the extra granny gear and the hydraulic lift. He told me it was around 1400.00 for everything in 1966. I remember the day he and his third cousin brought it home in the back of a ford pickup I was 6 years old
Rear End should include a locking diff. 1 wheel spinning is the pits for any mower or tractor. Some folks say just add more weight. My Ford 4000 tractor has 200# rear weights each and tires are filled but it can still spin in mud -- not sure how much more weight is needed, LOL! Yes, I know some sub/compact tractors like my 4000 have independent braking, so that's a way out of wheel spin. Still, a locking diff should be in a garden / subcompact / compact tractor. ... been a customer of yours Norman, and great stuff!
Hi Norman thanks for the great videos on garden tractor I do have ten garden tractor John Deere,Bolin, Wheels Horse,Case . Thanks Dale
Good information something that was an expensive lesson for me to learn.
Thanks Norman!
Hi Norman , Thanks for the great videos on garden tractors I have ten garden tractor John Deere , Bolin ,Wheels Horse, Case. thanks Dale
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Hello, well done. There are a lot of people that don't know the difference, especially with today's newer tractors. Another point to the difference between a riding mowers and a garden tractor is the implements. They also are much heavier in weight and build. I have a 1971 cub cadet 129 which is like a little tank. I also have 1987 John deere 430 with a push blade, 48 inch tiller, 47 snowblower and an all steel deluxe cozy cab. These two tractors run great but if I had to rebuild them, they would go another 30 or 40 + years. Not taking anything away from the new stuff just like the old iron. Anyway keep up the good videos.
Thank you for this. I am no longer at the crossroad not knowing which direction to go.
I agree with everything....good job!!
Great video. You made a lot of great points! I have had to explain this exact same thing to many people also. I don't think people release that the old garden tractors are like miniature farm tractors. They were meant to do some serious work like maintaining large estates, small farms, and golf courses. They also had a lot of cool attachments available like front loaders, sickle bars, mott mowers, generators, plows, graders, etc.. Todays tractors are really only designed to be a lawn mower. You should make a video about vintage attachments from Danco. That would be interesting. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your comment. All great points! If I can get my hands on some of the Danco attachments, I would do a video on that. I will get looking!
I've got a Ford YT16.
Very sturdy. It's heavier than a modern "garden tractor" but not as heavy as other 1980s garden tractors. I'm considering full restoration if its able to plow a garden or run a rototiller.
Love the oposed twin Koehler on it
Very informative. Thanks Norman.. we have a hinomoto diesel 2 cylinders
Awesome video
Hi Norman. I love your videos. I am from Spain. It's almost impossible here to get a garden tractor. They are just not popular here and they are not sold, so we also lack a second hand market. I hope someday I will be able to get one of those.keep on doing that grat videos.
Love my 112. I have to put some new seals in my axle and input pulley. The one thing I don’t like is the variable speed drive on it. I’d rather it had more gears instead. I used it to pull a bush hog I built and had to use the clutch to find a happy speed because one was to slow the next one up was too fast and it just stretched the belts to the point it’d hardly move itself.
Great, great, great! I knew a guy who called his new zero turn mower a tractor!
Great video, I was very interesting
thanks man this was put on youtube on my bday
Happy Birthday!
Dude you rock!!!
The rear end in my 1976 Sears Suburban SS/16 looks like the transfer case in my 2000 Chevrolet S10
First time viewer... been in many discussions over this.... Vertical to Horizontal shaft engine equipped machines is a factor.
And Axel hubs is much stronger than a single bolt and keyway transfers load to wheel for using ground engaging equipment. Great video!
Very Clear & Makes Perfect Sense! Thanks. Lie your site. Just getting an old John Deere 212 (1978), which I woudl call a Lawn Tractor & Very light Garden Tractor, by your definition. Seems to be a cross-over in functionality. A light back hitch to reasonably stiff frame with grass mowing tires to avoid grass compaction, with minimal accessory capability.
I have a Craftsman YT 3000 very similar to that YT 4000, and yes that older John Deere is a heavy duty garden tractor and built like a tank but with it's much larger tires, rims, differential, and additional 50 lb. each wheel weights it is probably at least well over 200 pounds heaver than that Craftsman in the rear end, so be careful you don't cause bodily harm attempting to lift one.
I have a 2013 yt 3000 bought it new…. I have no major issues with this model…..only have 65 hours on it
I have a 1997 Huskee garden tractor, my friends say it isnt a garden tractor however i can pull a trailer with 2 tractors on it and it can pull a garden plow, it is a very sturdy tractor and its also a custom that I did put together right now Im making a custom snow plow for it Oh and before I forget to mention it you have a new subscriber
I subbed a while back..this is informated...oddly enough I picked up a JD 400 NOT SURE OF THE YEAR....EXHAUST GOES STRAIGHT OUT TO THE SIDE I'VE DONE SOME REASURCH ON THE 400 ITS A BEAST....975 LBS.....POWER STEERING, 3 POINT
AND HYDRAULICS PICKED IT UP ANT A SWAPMEET...THE DECK IS 60 INCHS ROUGH...BUT I WANTED THE HYDRAULICS ..... CURRENTLY BUILDING A FRONT END LOADER...WATCHED MANY VIDEOS .....MADE MY OWN BUCKET....THIS EARLY VERSION NOT MANY VIDEOS ON FEL FOR IT......WONT BE REMOVING THE LOADER FOR ANY REASON ..I HAVE TO MANY MOWERS....SO ILL JUST LEAVE IT ON I NEED IT FOR MY PROPERTY...ENJOYED YOUR BUILDS......HOOKED UP WITH A SAVAGE YARD THEY SELL ME OLD MOWERS CHEAP......UP TO 10 NOW! SO NOW WITH THE HEAVY JOHN DEERE I'LL BE LETTING SOME GO... 5 buggy projects, some 3 wheeler projects, 1 golf cart, 2 club cars aluminium frames....just too many projects......way too many projects...I did like the Bolins you have it's defiantly a monster..
thanks to you for you trying to help FOLKS.....
Hard to find those old tractors in my area...but I did manage to grab hold of an old Gravely that needs some drive work...but has hydraulics and the shaft drive deck...heavy as all can be...lol...any good sources for parts?
I must have first seen this video two years ago and finally have a 77 Wheel Horse B100 in the garage.
I have the same Craftsman YT4000. Not a bad yard tractor, but my 1.3 acre lot has a lot of bumps and it's hard on the frame. So I'm thinking of getting a garden tractor as backup for mowing, and also for other capabilities. There is a 1991 Bolens g152 for sale nearby that I hope to get a look at.
Thanks Norman for the tutorial and detailed explanation . I talked to a Troy Bilt Rep to ask about getting a box scraper attachment for my Bronco lawn tractor and all they could say is not recommended for there tractors.
Yes, I agree with your Troy Bilt Rep. If you want to pull a small box scraper, a heavy duty old school garden tractor is what you need. You can pull a 4 foot box blade with almost any of the Mid 70's machines.
I also have a 1986 MTD Mastercraft Coast To Coast 12hp lawntractor and a 1969 J.I. CASE 442 Performance King too
What it really come down to is garden tractors are designed to do ground engaging work like blading, plowing, running a tiller etc. Lawn tractors are just made to mow grass. Lawn tractors have light duty everything. Garden tractors have heavy duty transaxles and other components.
Lawn tractor = lawn work... mowing grass
Garden tractor = garden work... plowing, tilling...
They do still make garden tractors. Husqvarna makes some with locking diffs and hydralic sleeve hitches and they are pretty powerful.
I love my John Deere 214 I use it to plow my driveway in the winter
the 120 looks so amazing :O
Thanks. Be sure to check out the restoration video for that
I agree those old tractor had some iron in them and would make a good tractor for everything you need to do to your property my father has 122 cub cadet he bought brand new when I was 6 years old now I’m 60 years old my father is 90 years old and sill has the tractor. He has the original sales recipe from where he bought it. The tractor is 54 years old and still run like a champ my father has taken good care of this tractor
Hey Norman, how about a series on the different trans axles and how to maintain them.
still have the b1 if so a generator or pressure washer attachment build would be interesting😉
Very nice and concise video. I just picked up a 1986 Craftsman YT 16 with a 44 inch deck. It has 10 inch diameter rear wheels which seems unusual. it also has the five horse Briggs & Stratton leaf vacuum mounted to the rear of it. My question to you is: could this one be a little more heavy-duty than a typical yard mower? It seems as if most of the Craftsman's I see have 8in diameter wheels in the rear. I want to do a little towing with this one.. firewood and such. Any ideas if the transmission might handle a little extra load?
I just picked up a sears suburban gt 18 with a snowblower attachment and a custom (Plexiglas/ 1x1 tubing & plywood) cab off the Facebook market place for $60. Working on getting it running and adding extras to the cab.
Very Nice! Facebook Marketplace is now the best place to find this stuff.
Hello, could you please tell me if these newer Aluminum type Lawntraktor axles are good in handeling alot of weigth. I plan on building a Loader and i wanted to use this typ of axle/transmission and was wondering if only the older Gardentractors can handle it or if these axles can also take alot of pressure and force. Thank you!
I have 2 cub cadets model 71 from the 60s and they have solid cast iron back end and a solid frame and they can pull a plow through the ground and it can also pull a half ton solid cast iron sickle bar mower up hill. I wouldn't want any thing besides them
cool, I picked up a Jacobsen 5000 , going to restore her to use on our properties. U have any info on em?
We love you
Good video!
The 5th difference is the Turning Radius -
e.g. The Craftsman LT has a 17" turning radius and a Craftsman GT has a 29" turning radius.
Think Zero Turning radius
I have a 1978 cub cadet 1250. It is a beast! What is everybody's opinions on the quietlines
I'm clueless about garden and lawn tractors... but I purchased a rural property and my buddy has a massey 2820 he can part with with a snowblower as well. Any clue if I should consider this rig ?? I can't seem to find much detail on it with my brief web search...
I have a 1975 John Deere 210 with underside blade but I can't find a front plow
very good vid
Question Norm... I have a 2002 Craftsman GT5000, the 48" mower deck is trashed and busted up. I'd like to replace it with a 54" mower deck. Are those 2-items interchangeable being that they were both manufactured by Husqvarna.
Nice vid Norman...what about the rear hub 4 lug nut wheel assembly vs. The LT 1 hole wheels. Plus...tranny strength differences.
When it comes to mowing I prefer a nice light lawn tractor. I like to have a nice tight turning radius and a cup holder. I actually prefer to work on them as well. I do a lot of small engine work at home on the side and the lighter the better. With that being said I collect vintage garden tractors that can do some serious work. I spread a pile (approximately 15 yards) of crushed concrete this fall on the driveway with my Cub 125. It has a manual lift blade 300lbs on the rear and bar tires. I was able to spread all that stone in about 2 hours. That amount of work would've killed a lawn tractor. It's funny because before my current job I was working on a buddy's 1800 acre farm using a J.D. 8330 to pull a 30' bean drill and guys think I'm stupid when I call my machines "tractors." As if I don't know what I'm talking about.
I have garden tractors with stock cup holders
Cowgirl Motorsports I do too, I was kinda just making a joke about having a cold one while mowing the lawn.
My JD 140 H3 has a cig lighter
Phan Taztik so does my CC 125
@@phantaztik1223 So does my 1967 Wheelhorse,factory stock
I love my wheel Horse 416-8
This video is the reason i sold my JD LT180 and bought a JD 455.
Good choice!
another thing is the front end is heavier and also the bushings bearings for the spindles
where would you classify the Westwood T1200?
Hey I just ordered stuff from you! Nice website too.
New mowers are junk. Recently they’ve been making them with plastic rear ends!! Craftsman frames always crack behind the front axle.
oldtractorsandfarming MTD makes almost all the mowers on the market including some of the deere
I have The Craftsman T240 turn tight series are a Cross between a Lawn/Garden Tractor according to a Craftsman Rep they Weigh just over 600 pounds Kohler KT725 22 horsepower 725cc V Twin Engine...turning Radius is 5"
Yes the Craftsman T240 and T260 are a cross between lawn and garden tractors love mine
Nice Bolens!!! You should do a restore
So I just picked up a used 96 gt6000 6 speed it's kind of a cross between a lawn tractor and garden tractor cuz it came with a sleeve hitch on it this is a cross between the two or is it more unless a h/d lawn tractor
I have quite a few GARDEN TRACTORs at my place.
I have a JD 400 w/ front loader, JD 210 to pull trailers around and plow snow, my Craftsman (lawn tractor) is to cut the grass..... but it cant pull anything heavier than a wagon filled with dirt.
Very healpfull
How about a 91 Craftsman II GT6000 Garden Tractor. I'm trying to put a bucket on the front and a scraper on the back. It seems to be pretty tuff What is your honest opinion? Picked it up for $375 I really like the Kohler magnum 18 HP motor. Any ways keep videos coming.
Yes I was wondering what tractor to buy so I bought a John Deere 5055e its a nice little tractor
Good general information, but I need to know some specs so I can ask for the garden tractor. It seems like when you go to buy one, they use the terms interchangeably.
Yea for New machines, there is no such thing as a garden tractor anymore. Its either a sub compact or a lawn tractor.
What would you consider an Allis Chalmers B-10?
to see GT VS LT all it takes is a quick intranet search. its easy. and to the vid point it is easy to see the JD tractors vs others. but many others are also plenty capable.
Garden tractor: The offspring of a Swiss Army knife and a Tank.
would you say a craftsman t210 would be a light garden tractor?
Great video! I have a Scotts L2548. The moqer deck rusted out and the tires are dry rotted. At 532 lbs I'm hoping it can handle some garden work like a pull behind tiller and some cultivating.
What to you think of this model? It was made by John Deer.
Thanks!
Honestly when you weigh it down enough for traction you will likely break the transmission. The transmission is not very robust. It can pull wheel carts and such but pulling a cultivator through the ground may kill it. It may work for a while but it likely won't hold up over time.
@@Isavetractors thanks! I might get new tires and use it to pull my trailer for firewood, that would take some pressure off my polan riding mower. I live on 16 acres and want to expand my garden.
I'll need to get a bigger beefier garden tractor!
Thanks again!
Thanks. While I”m sure older tractors are naturally heavy, the basic points are good: Garden tractor is the heavy duty multi-tanker.
Also one thing that like 1 out of 7000 people don't know, tires are different, the treads are much thicker and like on my SS12 even my front tires are hard to get through, I'm still unfortunately figuring out a way to repair them. By the way That Ford 120 is my favorite.
Yeah I have a 1979 allis chalmers 608 Ltd and a 1977 710, the 608 is half the size of the 710 but the 608 can still pull like a freight train
2:10 in the background looks like an Allis Chalmers garden tractor
Good Video. The so called "Garden Tractors" that are sold today would be considered Lawn Tractors back in the 70's. To get a quality tractor today, probably would have to spend over 5 grand.
More like over 10 grand lol. The current prices for even just a base model JD x700 series (x730) with a 48" deck is $11,139.00 USD (circa 10/06/2019) and that's not including upgrades such as the 54" or 60" deck, a front blade, a tiller, etc, or the higher end models with four wheel drive and a diesel engine. You want one with those types of options, you're looking to pay at least $15,000.
Your videos have been inspiring me! I've cleaned up and fixed my 20 year old mower and now I'm going to buy a used garden tractor!
I've been looking at two locally, a 93 Craftsma GT6000 and an 83? John Deere 212 both in used/good condition
Both of these should be able to handle plowing, cultivating, and grading.
Any input on which would be the tougher moe capable of the two?
Thanks again, I've been hooked on your videos!
I’d personally recommend the John Deere they are by far better built than the craftsman would be and they have very good oem part support
A lot of garden tractors will potentially have a rear or front PTO for implements, etc. My Ingersoll has two hydraulic pumps as well, one for the drive function and one for the deck, or whatever else. Really cool and very capable machines, both of mine are around 1000 pounds each, tough as nails.👍😎
Yup, Hydro is another factor. I don't mean hydro trans because lawn mowers advertise that to death. But a hydro pump that has aux ports for implements. Lawn mowers are moving to electric motors doing implements -- the few implements they support -- instead of hydraulic implements. Nice that your Ingersoll has 2 pumps! My old Cub has 1 pump w/ aux ports.
@@vap0rtranz I was wrong I believe that one only has 1 main pump and it has a distribution valve with 2 pressure reliefs for the rear and the deck. Definitely super convenient just running off the deck hydraulics. Funny thing is, the hydraulics are far better on the Ingersoll than this bigger factory IH234 with a front loader I've since gotten. 👍 Good luck thanks for the comments too
I have just picked up a 1980 bolens qt17 with snow blower nothing wrong with anything just wondering how hard it will be to find a new electric clutch on the front of motor when it goes out
The front PTO should never go out. But if it did, it may be hard to find. Best to keep an eye on a spare parts engine for the future.
Hi Norman, What do you think of a Simplicity Sunstar 20 Tractor as for heavy duty? Thanks.
Oh yea heavy duty for sure. Great machine!
used to live in Lamoine and wished I made it to your place. Ive got a 64 JD110 RF with original 8 hp. Surprised you do not have one or a 318 or a 140 H3.
I have 2, 140 H3's. No 318. I have over 50 tractors, but not all have been featured on this channel yet.
My cub cadet 107 will pull our 2200 pound car trailer. My cub weighs 630 pounds (shipping weight) and was built in 1969. I got it from my grandpa, and he was the original owner of it.