6:04 fun fact kibitz, there’s actually some companies now researching methods of retrofitting decommissioned coal power plants into nuclear power plants utilizing the previous cooling tower structures, rather than building new ones from the start.
Remember to hover over the blue and orange power lines while in the Electricity tab to see how much electricity is moving along those lines. Most of the time you would run a main blue line down the sides or your city, or through the middle and then run multiple transformers connected to your roads to distribute the power. Then pay attention to the amount of power you can send out to another city. Use blue lines but remember they max out at 400MW. So if you hook up say 2 upgrades solar plants they will potentially produce more than 400MW. Take the Nuclear power plant at 600MW, that means you need 2 lines coming off that plant alone to transmit all of its power.
14:09 your cost/megawatt is kinda off. You need to include daylight hours (200 MW) to night (0 MW) which essential doubles your cost/megawatt. Then, depending on how inclement weather affects MW production, even a single week in the whole year could make your profits marginal, if not negative.
Kibbitz, the reason why there is a cooling tower in there is because the coal burns water in which is turned into steam and then there is a turbine in there (the tower) which since it’s a large coal plant needs a larger tower instead of regular smoke/steam stacks.
What? That is complete nonsense. The cooling tower is to cool the condenser circulation water so that the low pressure steam in the turbine can condense, and turn into water to be boiled again.
You're in luck! With the developer mode enabled you can place multiple nuclear power plants without mods. If it's enabled, load into the save and then press TAB to open the developer menu. In the developer menu go to the "simulation" tab and enable "bypass validation...", this is basically anarchy which you need to bypass the "Already exists" check that the game does, you might want to disable it after you're done. Now you can close the developer window by press tab again and you can place the asset. Press HOME and search for nuclear in the asset window, click the nuclear power plant asset in the list and place it!
Remember guys ! every outside line can only export 400MW ! so u neeed some outside connections on the GRID for max profit ! and u need to connect the plants with the high power cables in the first place (also to the outside) u missed that and u dont need transformers... the plant has a build in ... u only need new ones if u have too much power draw in a certain area and the cables turn red !
Tip: You can set the elevation to -5m with electrical cables so that they don't show above ground, increasing space for other things and just generally making things look better.
i noticed u thought the coal power plant looked like a nuclear one, but fun fact, the smokestacks on coal vs nuclear are basically the same. in a coal power plant, u burn coal, generate heat. boil water, steam goes through steam turbine and out the smokestack. for nuclear, controlled fission reaction to generate heat, boil water goes through steam turbine too. then this is oversimplified because i dont know much more about power generating, but cool ig.
What you refer to aren't the smoke stacks, those are the cooling towers. A nuclear power plant obviously doesn't have a smoke stack and in a coal power plant, it's the slim stack next to the cooling tower. In some cases the smoke stack and the cooling tower are combined, but the model you see in cs doesn't have this feature Your whole description of the two processes isn't accurate by the way. The whole steam loop is a closed system. You don't boil water, run it through a turbine and release it. The water in the closed loop is demineralized to protect the loop and all the components. This loop is cooled by a open loop system and the process of exchanging the access heat (turning steam back to water) of the closed loop with the open loop system creates the steam you see leaving the cooling towers.
Nuclear is the only one that requires storage because of fear mongering and lobbyists. Coal power releases so much more radioactive particulate (that isn't controlled) on top of the general pollution it generates.@@GWCBFan
The transformer stations are just for converting the power on the large lines to small lines and vice versa. You don't need them unless you're importing or exporting. The power plants can export all their power through the street.
I don’t think that’s true. I believe there is a limit for how much power can be transported through the low voltage lines, I don’t have the exact numbers for this but I think there’s another comment on here explaining it better
5:54 cooling towers are on all power plants that involve heating water to steam, they are essentially a way to recycle the water that would have just gone into the air. This is why a lot of power stations are built next to rivers so they have a good supply of water, however this will have to be filtered which the condensed steam will not.
Coal-fired power plants need to be cooled too like nuclear power plants, as they are both thermal power plants. Smaller coal-fired plants usually don't have cooling towers, because their heat output can be dealt with by river or sea cooling. Larger coal plants do need cooling towers to work properly. The one in CS2 is actually a very modern coal plant, as its flue gases get exhausted in the cooling tower, omitting the need for a chimney (you can see the pipe entering the cooling tower on the side).
@@jeroen3618 yeah that's true, thanks for the correction. I've just heard it referred to as a ball of gas a lot when people are complaining about the heat lol
I hope someone makes a mod that allows for power plants like the coal one to be supplied via rail, cause they'd look absolutely awesome with a "merry go round" setup with the balloon railway loops at the mine and the power plants.
Kibitz Kibitz Kibitz always making things too complicated when you can do it our way. The Chicago way, or in other words dye it green and call it a day.
Love the videos, but can we get another Dyson Sphere series? They just released their newest update. Even if you dont use the new combat enemies option, I'd love to see you do another DSP series soon 👍
City is coming along great, hopefully the poopy water situation can get resolved, it’d make the city look that much better… looks like you’re getting more poopy water over by the new nuclear plant though, seems like your landfill in that area is underwater, thus leaking waste into your river
6:00 A Coal powered plant does almost the same thing as a nuclear powered plant. They heat up water to turn steam turbines to produce power. The cooling tower is for the steam.
It's to cool the steam inside the nuclear loop, so it can come back into the reactor, and the steam you see flowing out, is from the condenser, which essentially cools one bunch of water with another bunch.
Those "cooling towers" aren't actually for cooling, for Nuclear Fission they basically will fire one neutron at U-235 which becomes 2 different elements, 3 neutrons, and energy, those 3 neutrons hit U-235, which goes on and on, OR the cooling rods stop 1 neutron, meaning 2 neutrons go on, stop 2 of the neutrons, meaning 1 goes on, or to stop it completely, they stop all the neutrons, and the energy released boils water, making steam, which spins a wind turbine that generates... ELECTRICITY!!! The steam exits through those. So cooling towers can be to an extent correct, but they aren't for cooling specifically. That's why I prefer to call them spoke-stacks, or just towers, they do TECHNICALLY cool, but it's not their #1 goal.
Most steam turbine systems are closed loop, meaning that the steam does not just exhaust into the air. Instead, the steam used in the turbine is condensed back into water to go through the whole loop again. An open loop system like you described, where the steam is exhausted to atmosphere, is much less efficient in terms of using the heat energy generated by the reactor or furnace. Cooling towers are indeed used for cooling, as they help keep the condenser cool and assist with condensing the turbine exhaust steam back into water.
No, steam NEVER exits the system. These are condensing towers, that condense steam into water, using other bunch of water, which evaporates in the process releasing clean pure steam.
There are competing forces, the wind blows to the edge of the map from the coal power plant but on the outside of the map the winds are blowing towards the coal power plant forcing the winds to the pollution to the east and west.
Transformers split 80mw to its area. Once a single yellow power line exceeds 80mw you need to put a transformer after that line. I use them on each section of a city I'm building. One for industrial area one for commercial area and another for residential. You can disconnect each from one another and have 3 separate power networks that way or more and its much easier to manage when problems occur instead of a spaghetti mess with random transformers all over the place.
Make the cost of electricity in your city free, it gives efficiency bonuses to all your businesses, even the powerplants. So if you do away with the 500k profit from service fee, you can gain another 10% from the 5mil export while also getting 10% bonus city wide.
I mean not always, in smaller powerplants (fossil) its just cheaper to let the steam out into the environment as it's not contaminated like in a nuclear plant.
fun fact nuclear power is OP IRL too , thorium planets would literally solve the worlds power issues .. would not even need fusion plants .. but we are making progress on those too soooo lol
Yo m8 power is automatically transferred from high voltage to low voltage when it's connected to a road you only need transfers when your going somewhere that doesn't use roads connections
Hey Kibz, have you tried selling the poop you're sucking out of your bay to the outside world? If you build separate pipes from the pumps it shouldn't affect your city and the neighbours may like it :)
2:22 if you're not worried about pollution, why bother with nuclear? It's a clean and carbon-neutral power source that safely contains its waste, unlike fossil fuels. The description of the nuclear plant literally says that it generates minimal ground or air pollution.
Kibitz, how come you dont turn off thr snapping when you need to fit buildings in? Could've sworn you could do that to allow slight adjustments. May not have to destroy/rebuild as much.
It wasn't that clear so can i check you are connecting your transformers to the big blue cabling whether pylons or underground and that these connect to your power stations?
I think it's wild that you don't seem to understand the whole electric system and none of your powerplants is actually connected to the high voltage grid. You even build your gas tanks right in front of the connection point 😅
5:55 Aerorefrigerant towers are not exclusive to nuclear power plants, and a significant part of nuclear power plants don't use those. Oh and don't worry, people jump to this conclusion a lot, IRL, especially among anti-nuclear people.
It seems like you get capped on export for power if your transmission line has a capacity cap. Would having multiple lines allow you to export more power? You are producing more at each plant then a single line can move around.
6:04 fun fact kibitz, there’s actually some companies now researching methods of retrofitting decommissioned coal power plants into nuclear power plants utilizing the previous cooling tower structures, rather than building new ones from the start.
Remember to hover over the blue and orange power lines while in the Electricity tab to see how much electricity is moving along those lines. Most of the time you would run a main blue line down the sides or your city, or through the middle and then run multiple transformers connected to your roads to distribute the power.
Then pay attention to the amount of power you can send out to another city. Use blue lines but remember they max out at 400MW. So if you hook up say 2 upgrades solar plants they will potentially produce more than 400MW.
Take the Nuclear power plant at 600MW, that means you need 2 lines coming off that plant alone to transmit all of its power.
14:09 your cost/megawatt is kinda off.
You need to include daylight hours (200 MW) to night (0 MW) which essential doubles your cost/megawatt. Then, depending on how inclement weather affects MW production, even a single week in the whole year could make your profits marginal, if not negative.
The production at night is disregarded when the day night cycle is off, which it seems to be
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Kibbitz, the reason why there is a cooling tower in there is because the coal burns water in which is turned into steam and then there is a turbine in there (the tower) which since it’s a large coal plant needs a larger tower instead of regular smoke/steam stacks.
What? That is complete nonsense. The cooling tower is to cool the condenser circulation water so that the low pressure steam in the turbine can condense, and turn into water to be boiled again.
Delete this shit right now.
You're in luck! With the developer mode enabled you can place multiple nuclear power plants without mods. If it's enabled, load into the save and then press TAB to open the developer menu. In the developer menu go to the "simulation" tab and enable "bypass validation...", this is basically anarchy which you need to bypass the "Already exists" check that the game does, you might want to disable it after you're done. Now you can close the developer window by press tab again and you can place the asset. Press HOME and search for nuclear in the asset window, click the nuclear power plant asset in the list and place it!
Remember guys ! every outside line can only export 400MW ! so u neeed some outside connections on the GRID for max profit !
and u need to connect the plants with the high power cables in the first place (also to the outside) u missed that
and u dont need transformers... the plant has a build in ... u only need new ones if u have too much power draw in a certain area and the cables turn red !
Good tip
Tip: You can set the elevation to -5m with electrical cables so that they don't show above ground, increasing space for other things and just generally making things look better.
You should be able to turn the water off to the nuclear power plant and have it melt down and blow up half the map.
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i noticed u thought the coal power plant looked like a nuclear one, but fun fact, the smokestacks on coal vs nuclear are basically the same. in a coal power plant, u burn coal, generate heat. boil water, steam goes through steam turbine and out the smokestack. for nuclear, controlled fission reaction to generate heat, boil water goes through steam turbine too. then this is oversimplified because i dont know much more about power generating, but cool ig.
What you refer to aren't the smoke stacks, those are the cooling towers. A nuclear power plant obviously doesn't have a smoke stack and in a coal power plant, it's the slim stack next to the cooling tower. In some cases the smoke stack and the cooling tower are combined, but the model you see in cs doesn't have this feature
Your whole description of the two processes isn't accurate by the way. The whole steam loop is a closed system. You don't boil water, run it through a turbine and release it. The water in the closed loop is demineralized to protect the loop and all the components. This loop is cooled by a open loop system and the process of exchanging the access heat (turning steam back to water) of the closed loop with the open loop system creates the steam you see leaving the cooling towers.
I’m not an expert but in real I believe coal produces way more pollution, unlike nuclear. However nuclear does need storage.
The whole concept of power plants is to boil water to make wheel spin
Nuclear is the only one that requires storage because of fear mongering and lobbyists. Coal power releases so much more radioactive particulate (that isn't controlled) on top of the general pollution it generates.@@GWCBFan
@@stefan514 thanks mb lol
Hi Kibitz! I’ve watched a couple of your videos. Laughed pretty hard in some of them 🥰
PLEASE CONTINUE THIS SERIES K DUCKING LOVE IT
It was a ton of fun watching this come together on the stream the other day!
i was watching ur series in the background while studying for finals, im glad i can watch stress free now
i have been binge watching ur playthrough, keep uploading them man! i enjoy these so much its almost addictive!!
I like the Dolphin Cars in the beginning
The transformer stations are just for converting the power on the large lines to small lines and vice versa. You don't need them unless you're importing or exporting. The power plants can export all their power through the street.
You need them actually if your disctrict consums more than 40 MW or 80MW depending on the set up.
I don’t think that’s true. I believe there is a limit for how much power can be transported through the low voltage lines, I don’t have the exact numbers for this but I think there’s another comment on here explaining it better
The streets can't handle the full capacity of a large power plant. You need to distribute it via high voltage lines to different parts of your city
I love this series,keep up the good work! Next series you should make a slum
5:54 cooling towers are on all power plants that involve heating water to steam, they are essentially a way to recycle the water that would have just gone into the air. This is why a lot of power stations are built next to rivers so they have a good supply of water, however this will have to be filtered which the condensed steam will not.
U know the prison that in middle of no where make a military base there then no one’s getting out lol😂
I laughed so hard when you said "nuclear power brotherr" haha
Coal-fired power plants need to be cooled too like nuclear power plants, as they are both thermal power plants. Smaller coal-fired plants usually don't have cooling towers, because their heat output can be dealt with by river or sea cooling. Larger coal plants do need cooling towers to work properly. The one in CS2 is actually a very modern coal plant, as its flue gases get exhausted in the cooling tower, omitting the need for a chimney (you can see the pipe entering the cooling tower on the side).
Kibitz getting all the power! now if only the Satisfactory nuclear plants were as efficient lol
15:30 The sun is a giant ball of gas, so technically you're still cooking with gas
Close, but not entirely true. The sun is a giant ball of plasma, which is similar to gas but not exactly the same
@@jeroen3618 yeah that's true, thanks for the correction. I've just heard it referred to as a ball of gas a lot when people are complaining about the heat lol
I hope someone makes a mod that allows for power plants like the coal one to be supplied via rail, cause they'd look absolutely awesome with a "merry go round" setup with the balloon railway loops at the mine and the power plants.
I enjoy these videos! A great guide for what nit to do in CS2! Ha! Cheers brother
I think if you build the land out and then back again it removes the poop water. I'm not 100% sure but it's worth the try.😂
15:37 "Now we're cooking with plastic." Thinking that is more appropriate
I’m pro nuclear power so I like your city infrastructure
Kibitz Kibitz Kibitz always making things too complicated when you can do it our way. The Chicago way, or in other words dye it green and call it a day.
Glad kebits has same attitude when it come to saving the environment like most pple do😆😆😆
Love the videos, but can we get another Dyson Sphere series? They just released their newest update. Even if you dont use the new combat enemies option, I'd love to see you do another DSP series soon 👍
City is coming along great, hopefully the poopy water situation can get resolved, it’d make the city look that much better… looks like you’re getting more poopy water over by the new nuclear plant though, seems like your landfill in that area is underwater, thus leaking waste into your river
Boy howdy, I hope there's no massive tsunami right next to the nuclear power plant and nothing terrible happens!
6:00 A Coal powered plant does almost the same thing as a nuclear powered plant.
They heat up water to turn steam turbines to produce power. The cooling tower is for the steam.
It's to cool the steam inside the nuclear loop, so it can come back into the reactor, and the steam you see flowing out, is from the condenser, which essentially cools one bunch of water with another bunch.
Always a good day when a new video drops.
Bro, that was a worth it upgrade in energy 😀
You can turn off the snap to grid when placing buildings and freely place them if you are off by like 1 grid.
Hand to Kibtz to be so tunnel-visioned he build a power plant with smokestacks right in front of his biggest airport.
The next episode build huge hydro Dam or residental expasion
Cooling Towers are necessary for any steam-cycle turbine to ensure the largest possible temperature gradient.
I can't imagine the fun kibz will have playing workers and resources - soviet republic
As a British man i respect how many rounabouts he is putting in his city but i think there can always be more
Don’t forget to add more high voltage cables for exporting power!
Those "cooling towers" aren't actually for cooling, for Nuclear Fission they basically will fire one neutron at U-235 which becomes 2 different elements, 3 neutrons, and energy, those 3 neutrons hit U-235, which goes on and on, OR the cooling rods stop 1 neutron, meaning 2 neutrons go on, stop 2 of the neutrons, meaning 1 goes on, or to stop it completely, they stop all the neutrons, and the energy released boils water, making steam, which spins a wind turbine that generates... ELECTRICITY!!! The steam exits through those. So cooling towers can be to an extent correct, but they aren't for cooling specifically. That's why I prefer to call them spoke-stacks, or just towers, they do TECHNICALLY cool, but it's not their #1 goal.
Most steam turbine systems are closed loop, meaning that the steam does not just exhaust into the air. Instead, the steam used in the turbine is condensed back into water to go through the whole loop again. An open loop system like you described, where the steam is exhausted to atmosphere, is much less efficient in terms of using the heat energy generated by the reactor or furnace.
Cooling towers are indeed used for cooling, as they help keep the condenser cool and assist with condensing the turbine exhaust steam back into water.
No, steam NEVER exits the system. These are condensing towers, that condense steam into water, using other bunch of water, which evaporates in the process releasing clean pure steam.
The small/large emergency shelters would look great around your nuclear power station, incase, you know.
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There are competing forces, the wind blows to the edge of the map from the coal power plant but on the outside of the map the winds are blowing towards the coal power plant forcing the winds to the pollution to the east and west.
Investon is like New York on steroids 😂
Add monorails above roads!
I don’t think we should let Kibs have a nuclear power plant. He would totally make it melt down to on purpose.
And lose all that juicy electricity profits? Absolutely not.
When you finish this city project then I really want you to make a nightmare torture city like you did in CS1. Thanks!
Yeah common misconception. Most power plants have cooling towers. The only ones that usually don't are natural gas, but they still do occasionally.
setting down the costs of water and electricity to zero boosts your economy crazy (mine went from 500k a moth to 2.5 Mil)
15:25 should have said "making pay while the sun shines!" :D
You must build additional pylons… to export all of your excess power.
Cant help it but there are moments where you sound like Chef John from food wishes!
Kibitz you can use windmills for power exportation because it's the cheapest way to make power and requires 0 workers
Transformers split 80mw to its area. Once a single yellow power line exceeds 80mw you need to put a transformer after that line. I use them on each section of a city I'm building. One for industrial area one for commercial area and another for residential. You can disconnect each from one another and have 3 separate power networks that way or more and its much easier to manage when problems occur instead of a spaghetti mess with random transformers all over the place.
Kibitz: Flows out of our territory into another city. NOT OUR PROBLEM!
So says China to Japan...
Counterintuitively reducing the fees on electricity all the way to 0% improves efficiency of your industry by a ton! More money!!
finally a new episode, yes!!
Make a tourist island project
Make the cost of electricity in your city free, it gives efficiency bonuses to all your businesses, even the powerplants. So if you do away with the 500k profit from service fee, you can gain another 10% from the 5mil export while also getting 10% bonus city wide.
Buildt a Airport in your city and conect a rote to the main airport!
i love cities skylines, im just waiting for my precious move it mod
yeah cooling towers aren't just nuclear, any form of power production that relies on boiling water to generate steam can benefit from cooling towers
I mean not always, in smaller powerplants (fossil) its just cheaper to let the steam out into the environment as it's not contaminated like in a nuclear plant.
So I binged all your Videos and I need more pls
Yeah, need the option to go straight nuclear power in the game!!
fun fact nuclear power is OP IRL too , thorium planets would literally solve the worlds power issues .. would not even need fusion plants .. but we are making progress on those too soooo lol
Finally another Kibitz video!
Yo m8 power is automatically transferred from high voltage to low voltage when it's connected to a road you only need transfers when your going somewhere that doesn't use roads connections
Hey Kibz, have you tried selling the poop you're sucking out of your bay to the outside world? If you build separate pipes from the pumps it shouldn't affect your city and the neighbours may like it :)
MORE INDUSTRY!!!!!
You're cookin' with Solare plasma.
The only thing I didn't like about this game is that it looks very gray, but otherwise it's pretty cool.
I literally just finished watching a different video and now another one :P
2:22 if you're not worried about pollution, why bother with nuclear? It's a clean and carbon-neutral power source that safely contains its waste, unlike fossil fuels. The description of the nuclear plant literally says that it generates minimal ground or air pollution.
Because it produces electricity efficiently, resulting in increased profits
Coal power plants don't generate 750 MW
if a flood happens at the nuclear power plant your gonna recreate Fukushima
all steam/water turbine-driven powerplants have cooling towers for faster watercycling.
One could change "cook with gas" to "income with photon"
I also agree 🙌
Hello Kibitz and welcome back to my computer screen
Kibitz, how come you dont turn off thr snapping when you need to fit buildings in? Could've sworn you could do that to allow slight adjustments. May not have to destroy/rebuild as much.
Now we’re scorchin with a magnify glass
Did you know that the only real difference between a coal plant and a nuclear plant is what makes the heat
Oh no, not nuclear… Kibz, has satisfactory not punished you enough
14:35 Your math teacher got a heart attack
Hey Kib, could you create a tourist or holiday island in the future?
waiting for that.....
It wasn't that clear so can i check you are connecting your transformers to the big blue cabling whether pylons or underground and that these connect to your power stations?
Relocating buildings when you have 1.5b is an odd flex lol
Maybe you can place a Nuclear power plant out of the dev tool
I think it's wild that you don't seem to understand the whole electric system and none of your powerplants is actually connected to the high voltage grid. You even build your gas tanks right in front of the connection point 😅
5:55 Aerorefrigerant towers are not exclusive to nuclear power plants, and a significant part of nuclear power plants don't use those.
Oh and don't worry, people jump to this conclusion a lot, IRL, especially among anti-nuclear people.
Yo Kibitz, you gonna check out Ficsmas? I want to see you play some more Satisfactory!
It seems like you get capped on export for power if your transmission line has a capacity cap. Would having multiple lines allow you to export more power? You are producing more at each plant then a single line can move around.
Kibitz, do you use the 3008 music for your background music?
we need more workers i dont care about the workers conditions we just need more workers