Life is short. Ride what you want. I don't agree with your opinions of the RT but they are but they are your thoughts. Hope your new bike works for you and you enjoy it
At 66, I went from a Triumph 1200cc to a BMW f800gs and could not be happier. It's 60kg's lighter, lower to the ground, and is super flickable and does will off road. I almost bought a Triumph 900 GT, but I do like to go off-road and the Rally Pro is just too tall for me. So, I went with the BMW and it is an awesome bike.
Hi, you’ve made the right decision for you. If you are not enjoying your bike and feel intimidated by it there is clearly a decision to be made. As it happens, I have had the exact same model of RT, in Mars red but a 2019 bike, for the past few months. I was smitten on the test ride, decided life’s too short to dither and bought it. I am 65, about 11 and a bit stone and 5’9”. When I got the bike home I started to realise how heavy and intimidating it can be when moving it in and out of the garage, which it shares with a fifty year-old classic boxer, by the way. I began to fear I had made a wrong choice. However, I have overcome these fears by adapting how I manoeuvre the bike. I have installed a remote-controlled winch to help reversing into the garage and sometimes I don’t even need it. My body has got used to the bike and I love it. I have also fitted Wunderlich engine and luggage protection bars, just in case. I ride my own ride and don’t try to keep up with my mates (they can get the coffees in if they get to the café before me 😉). Enjoy your new bike, I am looking forward to seeing how you get on with it. 👍🏻
Enjoyed this video. If you have just one bike and you need to do everything on it including two up touring then an 800/900 adventure/crossover is the perfect tool. I am guilty of this too, but as motorcyclists we often get locked into the arms race if capacity and power, where in reality we don’t use the difference between what an 800/900 can offer and what a 1200 can offer, and the handling/manoeuvrability and weight advantages of the smaller bikes offsets any loss in power. The only qualification here is height. Height is almost as important as weight as a cause of dropping bikes. It’s important to get an adventure/crossover that is not too high for you or you will still be left with the risk of dropping it. But good choice and enjoy!
I rode a 1100RT about 28 years for ten days on a Edelweiss tour through Germany, Austria and Northern Italy. We were riding two up with luggage on very tight roads and I was 43 years old at that time. It was glorious and no issues however today at 71 I've cut down on the weight of the bikes and also on my speeds these days. My worries are more moving the bikes in the garage and parking on shoulders.
Hi, your experience is very similar to mine. I’ve moved from a heavy 1200cc bike to a 800cc road biased adventure bike. Very happy with my choice; Suzuki V Strom 800re. These mid size adv. bikes are still substantial/powerful enough to carry gear and passenger if needed so practically is good. I use my bike for frequent UK day rides and less frequent longer European tarmac trips, always solo and alone. There’s plenty of power and more importantly torque for me. The new bike is balanced, carries its weight well, very stable, very comfortable and generally easy and worry free to ride. As a result I’ve found I’m riding the new bike much more often, happy to take it out in poor/wet conditions due to its friendly/easy road manners. While these qualities are obviously beneficial in daily use I also feel they are beneficial while on tour. The additional requirements of touring, ferry loading, bike parking often in non-flat/loose gravel car park locations, testing roads and variable weather all seem to favour a more manageable bike. Factor in the cheaper fuel bills/general running costs as well as a more modest bike presumably being less attractive to thieves. I certainly won’t be returning to a larger bike any time soon.
The drivers are different but I have been through a similar bike selection experience. I had an RT and a Ducati Streetfighter V2 - for downsizing reasons i had to go to only one. I traded them both in on a S 1000 XR about a month ago. I’m shorter than you but don’t suffer from the strength issues you have currently. I wanted to get to a bike that I could tour with 2-up but be as fun (or as close as possible) when riding solo to the streetfighter. The XR is my solution. I really found the RT to be boring - unless i had to use it (for 2 up touring with luggage) i would ride the streetfighter 100 % of the time. I would even choose my pickup truck over the RT - just a big exercise getting the big bike out of the garage for a boring ride. My season has ended now but with the 1 month of experience i have I’m pretty optimistic i have found the best bike to meet my set of criteria. FWIW I test rode a bunch of bikes, both two up and solo, before landing on the S 1000 XR - Multistrada, R1300GS, 900 GS….. and I liked all of them better than the RT based on my simple ‘fun’ and touring-capable criteria. I hope the GS makes you happy, and if doesn’t end up being your solution, the good news is you can always change again in a season or two. Cheers!
Try a super Maxi scooter for touring. Something like I own a Kymco AK 550 Premium. Good on gas, great wind protection and built in under seat luggage carrying without the width of panniers. I just added 33 litre top box for extra space. Electric windscreen and heated grips and cruise control are standard on the AK 550. Plus the weigh, centre of gravity is way low by design... Way easier to handle than a big tourer and will go anywhere they can as I've owned a few tourers in the past and wouldn't go back to one after owning the AK 550 twin with 270 degree crank!
What about the weight, is it manageable. I'm seriously thinking of going the AK550 route, I have a Honda Pan, a Harley softail and had a 2013 Goldwing. The insane weight of the Goldwing spoilt it for me, everyone that rode it dropped it 😆
I'm in my early 60's recovering HA and x4 Bypass. So I hear you about the sheer size. Particularly in the garage or parking lot. I moved up to a R1200GS from a Triumph Classic. It was a big intimidating bike to start with. I've dropped it. Pushing it around in the garage. I don't believe I could comfortably manage a bigger bike. Your RT looks lovely, First thing I would do is add lower crash bars and cylinder covers. 2nd thing take it to a parking lot and practice riding it slow. Including emergency stop. I've dropped mine, practicing, the bars and covers have the scars the bike was ok. The additional weight, I honestly never rode without them I don't know. I seriously doubt I would notice. I do get confidence from them. Why do I ride such a big beast. I really really like it. The day will come when I have to downsize. Not yet. The question is what kind of riding do you want to do. I wanted to do a really long distance tour, with some off road, dirt, gravel, rock, mud. I was not comfortable riding my triumph on. I did the ride. I've kept the bike, to keep the option to do more. I ride it round town OK. I admit I am careful how and where I park. Crash bars a relatively cheep and easy to replace. Give them a try. OK to Late, Nice "New" Bike. Enjoy the ride.
Yes, weight loss with muscle loss will make it a challenge. I have the exact same bike (with tall windshield) and did 8000 miles up through Alaska onto dirt and mud to the arctic ocean. I put on drop protection and underbelly protection and TKC 80 knobbies when I got up to the dirt road areas. The trip went flawlessly even we=hen fully loaded. It was still quite nimble to avoid dangers in the frost heave roads. Please get yourself physically trained up and set up the bike a bit more, it’ll still be the best bike for you. Good luck
I have lost about 100 lbs over the past couple of years (intentionally) and I’m 70 years old. I clearly have noticed that it is more difficult for me to manage my Tiger 800 around the garage than a few years ago. BUT I’ve can also say that my bikes performance has improved significantly. Between aging and weight loss I am getting weaker and find that I just need to be a little more careful when I’m handling the bike. I really like being lighter and the bike feeling more responsive; maybe I just need to do something to gain some more strength!
Definitely factors to consider with a big bike. Recently sold a Pan ST1300.. it was faultless on my Europe trip but having to think about parking it on slopes, general manual handling especially fully loaded took some forward thinking. When you then take out a comfortable lightweight sports tourer you realise how easy it can be
I feel you man. The v85tt in my mind was still the ideal bike for you though. Also, just get soft luggage. It's much more flexible and you can just move it to another bike
Been in just this situation with my RT. Absolutely loved the bike, and for me at 23 stone it was the perfect bike. Rode on it with 9 hr riding days with no problem. It handled incredibly well for a 4 seater sofa. I had a shoulder problem that required surgery. Prior to surgery, I dropped the RT 4 times getting it out the garage. Always when wheeling it around or getting it off the stand. I sold it and got the new Versys 1000 cos it was lighter, only 12 kg's but lighter. I didn't drop the Versys, but I missed the boxer engine, so got myself a R1200GS , not the adventure, just the normal one. I love it, feels much much lighter and still throw it around like a goodun. Good choice with the 850, nice bikes. I had the F800GS but couldn't get on with the front end dive. Enjoy the new steed 👍
I agree with everything you say. Just sold my RT of 5 years to a younger guy. It was the best bike I’d ever owned. I’m 70 and have switched to a Tiger 900 GT PRO. Much better for me now. Miss the RT terribly though!
I went from an RT to a GTL because I believed at the time that bigger was better. Ended up hating the GTL and went back to an RT where I was very happy for a while. I simultaneously had a V85 that I loved and as I grew tired again of the RT, I just got it into my head that I hated the fairing and the whole cockpit thing interfering with my view of the road, I sold the RT and the V85 and bought a 1250 GS. Instant love. I am only a road going rider and have no interest in off road. Most comfortable best set up bike I have ever had, although to be honest I could've just kept the V85 and saved myself a ton of money. The V85 is a great bike and does have enough power for almost every application. Enjoy.
Hello, enjoyed your video, you are right, I dont think you will ever hear anyone saying 'you know what, I wish my bike was 50 KGs heavier and a bit of a stretch to touch the floor'. You have done whats right for you and you did explain the reasons why. Soon as you say there is a problem with or somethings not suitable people will start tapping ' What, what, what ...how dare you, how very dare you.' I'll just say Hanlon's Razor. Enjoy the bike it looks nice, good choice👍
weird, whenever I have lower back problems or pain between my shoulder blades the best medicine is motorbike riding and moving my upper body around like crazy as if I was wrestling the bike :)
Greetings from N.I. Health to ride your new bike !, I am 62 been riding bikes 47 years current bike is an R1250GS tried the RT bad money to change so I'm glad I still have my bike, still do euro adventures but I concur with a lot of you thoughts I dont see me going on past 65 ish as when you get older you loss strength and balance especially over 60 !! No shame it's part of life, thats why theres different bikes "horses for courses". For the brakes I changed mine for EBC double H sintered have a better bite and feel. Regards Robert.
I’m 173 cm and mine weight are 69 kg. But still I have driven a BMW K1200 LT more than 10 years and never even dropped it 😁😁But I have been close sometimes. You have to plan parking, sightseeing and so on. The bike is 400 kg, and with 2 on and luggage it’s about 600🙈🙈. In the Tatra mountains in the Slovakia we manage to turn the bike on a road where there was 10% rise. With 2 on….To be or not to be I remember 😂😂But I have to say that I’m a former athlete and work out about 6-9 times a week 😂 I’m 61 years old
I have gone the other way until earlier this year I had a 1200GS air cooled, 1250GS and a 750GS (2nd one I’d owned) I’m not young been retired nearly 7 years quite tall and pretty light weight but everyone is different in what they want or need in a bike. I bought a new 1250RT LE early summer and love it after all those years with the GS I don’t find this less manoeuvrable and for my style of riding it just suits me really well. I do ride for the local Blood Bikes and this is only relevant because they mainly use Yamaha FJR 1300’s that are more or less the same size weight and riding position. I preferred the 750 over the 850 just because of that front wheel, I know there is a power difference but really makes no difference on the road and I have toured Europe and all over the UK with my wife on the pillion. You’re right about the luggage I just used to swap mine from 1250 to 750, unfortunately the original bike had different luggage. That was a shocking price for the lid of the top box when I bought my RT I found Sycamore Motorrad, in Peterborough they sell genuine parts, on the well known auction website much cheaper than anywhere else and I got a brand new top box for £620 more or less £400 cheaper than the dealers. Ride safe and enjoy the bike
That small screen is the "sport" screen that you get by default on the colourful model. I had a red 2018 R1200RT with that same screen. I'm 5'10" and it was too small. I got a third-party touring screen and loved it. I got the touring screen on my 2021 RT and it's great. I hear what you're saying about the weight at slow speed, and the need to think ahead. But you should be thinking ahead when operating any motor vehicle. I always take my time when deciding how to park. I never put myself in a situation where I'll be backing the bike uphill. I'm always looking at the slope and making sure that any reversing is done with the aid of gravity. Also, you have to use extra care when coming to a stop to make sure the bike is perfectly balanced. As you mention, you can't get away with using your body strength to correct it if you get it wrong. I disagree on the "how much power do you need" argument. Sure, in the situations you describe, you won't be using 130-odd horsepower. But on a smaller bike, when you want that power, you don't have it. Regardless of the above, it sounds like you have legitimate reasons for wanting the change. I hope it works out, and that you really enjoy the new bike.
Hi, I have over the last year started to find my bike is getting a bit heavy in certain situations. I am now 70 years of age, lost a little bit in height due to wear and tear on various joints and spinal discs etc plus I only have a 29" inside leg so I can't flat foot on my Suzuki GSX650F which weighs in at around 215kg. I also have been considering downsizing but I like the way the Suzuki feels so planted on the road. Keep looking at the various options, what to do ? Have you thought about the possibility of trying different brake pads on our new bike as that can sometimes make a significant change to the feel of the breaks. Interesting video.
Good suggestion - may try some different pads. I have to say it does stop fine, it’s just the feel at the lever that’s different. After a few hundred miles I’ve gotten used to it.
Good luck with the new motorcycle. Sadly when you have the time to enjoy these fine machines our older bodies reneg at every opportunity 😂 I have ridden big motorcycles for years am 6/4 142kgs 68 years young and am sizing down now as well just to be a bit kinder to my worn out joints.
The perceived quality of BMW is a marketing masterstroke. I have to say the engine on your 950 sounds harsh like it needs another 2 litres of oil. Good video though, very insightful.
I’m 64 fit but with increasing arthritis in my back, moved from a 265kg GSA (my third GS) to a 225kg Multistrada V2S, best decision I made and I do big miles. Mid range bikes are now far more popular for a reason and it’s not just the price. Big tourers are fine for long trips with a pillion but you pay with the weight and the price.
I am 72 and quite fit. And around 88 kilos heavy. I have a VFR750F, a Aprilia maxi scooter and a K1200GT (the brick model). The latter is over 320 kilos wet. The VFR is around 80 kilos lighter. However, it is easier to put the K1200 on the center stand than it is the VFR. BMW simply designed it better. I used to have an 1150RT, the K1200 is actually easier to move around by hand in the shed. The K1200 (and the VFR also) carry their weight quite low and that is the secret. When I purchase another bike I always check how easy it is to put it on the center stand and whether I can push it around. To me more important than a test ride... THE benefit of big touring bikes is that you can do quick motorway rides in good comfort. I did own a 1150GS for a few months. Nice bike, but if you tend to do quite a bit of motorway miles it is so uncomfortable: the wind, the noise - you get tired very quickly. And a touring bike is no match for a sportsbike, on twisty roads. Do a few hundred miles on 1 day and it will be the other way round... My 2 cents...
It sounds like you have a set up problem here. There is no way you should need to be 'holding the bars to keep it in the lean' and you definitely shouldn't have to 'hold the bike into the bends'. I have a 1250RT - you can gently (one finger) nudge it onto an arc then take your hands off the bars completely and it will continue the arc until you equally gently nudge it back upright - and then gently the other way as well if that is where the road takes you. The other possibility (given that you say the problem is you so I'm absolutely not trying to be critical) is that your injuries have made you tense so you're gripping the bars and throwing the bike off. If so, work on mindful relaxation. Brilliant to have you addressing issues that so many of us have to deal with. I hope you take this in the very positive spirit in which it is meant.
Couldn't agree with the video more and it’s the same with big adventure motorcycles. All adventure or touring motorcycles with an engine capacity of 1000 cc or more are excessive and not really suitable for anywhere except the open highway, and even then, a smaller motorcycle will usually do the job just as well. From experience with an adventure motorcycle with an engine capacity of 1200 cc, it is very heavy and requires a tall and strong rider and even then, very tiring in the city and stays behind any scooter, small or large anyway, what's more, every parking of the motorcycle requires thinking about the possibility of exiting. And in addition, there is of course a cost to all the technology and size which is mostly unused anyway. The engine is very powerful and already in second gear it easily crosses the maximum speed limit on the highway, so that there is really no need for all that power. But in any case, the fuel consumption is like that of a small car and the cost of maintenance and tires is very high, not to mention repairs. In fact, only rarely is a large adventure or touring motorcycle really used for what it is intended for, a long trip (for example, I assembled the side cases only three times this year...). Therefore, motorcycles like the Honda nc750x or the Suzuki Vstrom 650 or the Kawasaki versys 650 are a much better buy for the average rider, all at a much lower purchase and maintenance price.
Thanks CG for your thoughts, a real dilemma. I'm surviving cancer, doing alright, lost weight and strength. I love big touring bikes, own an FJR1300 (dropped it recently), XL1000 Varadero and an R1200R. Reluctant to give them up. I turn 67 next month. I keep fit, healthy diet, delaying having to give them up for lighter bikes. I might buy a a Voge 525 for times when I want to ride while not up to handling the weight of my big bikes. Don't want to stop riding.....
You won't have to stop riding! I'm enjoying my smaller GS, but it's still not a light bike. it's enough of a difference to make it fun to ride again. And I haven't given up on performance as I've also got a V4 Aprilia tucked away in the garage 😁 I'm pleased your health is improving- happy riding 💪
We live in a world where bigger is better, the trouble is it isn’t. My understanding is that between 50 and 60 hp is the sweet spot for power, handling and economy.
That is where people underestimate the Honda NC750X, 58bhp with masses of torque where it is need , heavy but it is low down, has the frunk and is available with the DCT gearbox.
I have an 1250rt and have a similar problem but with my right hip after riding for sort time. When I first had the bike I never had a problem. Yes moving in and out of the garage you have to think about it and yes cambers on the road are to watch out for. Sadly I am with you at 64 years old I am beginning to think a long the same lines. Have tried the BMW r1300gs and it was so much lighter and I was just as quick in the bends and loved the riding position.
Sorry to hear about the hip. The GS is the ultimate do it all bike. I think I'll be sticking with adventure style now, and even though I have the smaller one, my wife says it's far more comfortable as a pillion than tthe RT. We've been able to do much longer trips together.
Unfortunately you can’t have it both ways with big touring machines. I’ve owned RT,s,K1600,s, 1400 GTR,s, and lots of others. By their nature big bikes are a compromise. The weight affords you better stability with a pillion and luggage,better weather protection, and usually a decent ride quality. What it won’t give you is the handling of a sports bike, and the versatility that you,ll get from an adventure bike. Sounds like you haven’t found the right bike to suit your circumstances. I accept the compromise I have to make to enjoy big mileages that I tend to ride. Shame you can’t find a situation or adapt your use of the RT, to enjoy it. It’s a very good machine. Try your next bike thoroughly before you commit. Safe riding.
Thanks. I did about 8,000 miles on the RT and rose it through France, Spain, Scotland and Wales. It was brilliant and suited me well when I bought it. Without the health challenges I would have kept it as I have a second bike for fun. Enjoying the GS now and planning more trips - it is a better fit for me. Happy riding 👍🏻
I have been dreaming about an RT, but the weight aspect is certainly something to consider. I believe the Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello is a better option for my 72 kg... if I want to change the V7 one day.
@@mikaelpettersson2389try an RT and prepare to be surprised😉. You will find it much easier to handle than you think plus seat has a low setting that allows you to flat foot it with a 31 inch inseam. Low centre of gravity. Lovely machine and adding engine bars adds very little extra weight and is a must.
I agree and feel sorry for your loss of function. I hope you can somehow compensate. I've always been horrified by big adventure bikes and so ride an old sports bike. At my old age, I put up with the discomfort and adapted my style so as not to lean on my wrists. But in the bends it wins and makes biking worth it. I wonder if the peak on your helmet adds to your back woes, since the wind resistance makes it like a sail and aside from aesthetics is unnecessary on roads.
Thanks. The peak does make a difference and certainly catches the wind if you're in the wrong position, but I didn't normally wear that helmet on my RT - it's just the one I installed all my camera and mic gear on!
My own weight loss (from over 14st/92+Kg to 11st8lb 73Kg) has had the same result for me on my R1200RS and I no longer wish for anything larger. Having previously had the R1200R and S model bmw I would again consider the new R1300RS or R when available before any thought towards the larger RT or GS versions. Having a Royal Enfield 450 Himalayan I find this second bike just as much fun riding across Devon and avoiding sheep, ponies and potholes is definitely better on a more agile machine. Add in the new speed cameras, car driver videos and our busy roads I think the needs of a large tourer are limited, although the RS was perfect solo touring europe even carrying loaded panniers, topbox and camping gear across the rear seat. Once you lose faith in either the bike or your ability to control then it is tiem for a change. Stay Safe, best wishes.
Interesting that you chose an 850. I think it’s a lardy and top heavy bike for the engine size and power and it’s significantly taller than your RT, but with your height it maybe doesn’t matter. However coming from an RT it’ll probably feel like a featherweight! Big tourers aren’t selling and outside of the GS BMW big bike sales have fallen through the floor in the UK because they’re too bulky and heavy for busy roads. Also your experience with trading in is common. Try part ex’ing a BMW at any other brand. They don’t want them, even a GS. Hope you enjoy the new bike. I’m a bit smaller and would have gone for the 750GS as it’s a much better road bike.
I've gone from. 1300s, 1100s and an1150 down to a little 300cc. Guess what? I love it. I hurt my back a few years ago and just can't physically manage a large, heavy bike any more. Getting older sucks, but if you adapt, you can still enjoy biking. 😊
Damn. Back to chain maintenance and the reduced torque. I’d be selling the RT privately and looking at the new R1300GS (not the Adventure). It’s a lot lighter than the RT and has all the goodies. Just expensive!
You hit every issue head on, mate. My 1150RT is 630lbs with panniers. Can't lift it if it drops. Like duckwalking a dead pig in the garage or a parking spot, so finding an absolute flat and gravel free spot is essential. Forget "learning to maneuver like a Japanese police rider" - any drop will cause major fairing repair costs. In traffic, and at stops, the high degree of forward rake and trail on the front wheel requires excessive arm and shoulder force to turn. At any stopping point, the front wheel has to be dead straight, or you are fighting to keep it upright. There comes a point when you realize you are wrestling with the bike more than riding it. That's when you find excuses not to use it. As you point out, there are superb touring 900cc bikes that are a full 150lbs lighter and more fun to drive.
Very much sounds a skills problem, unable to keep up at 60mph in twisties… you can counter-steer with a fingertip, no force needed. I do agree with issues like off-camber for parking, you have to plan a lot more.
@aps-pictures9335 Tipping in with minimal effort from vertical is one thing, switching from one direction to the other is something else. Force is required, though you may be less aware of this until you go through some health challenges and shoulder surgery. Skill has nothing to do with it.
@@CGRidesMotorcycles Literally have the R version of this bike, and ride faster than you in the twisties (based on saying within speed limits - I’m not always). I’ve been on an RT. It’s slightly slower to tip in, but not much, change of direction is just a quick push forward. You’re not pushing down are you? Shouldn’t take effort - and definitely don’t need to ‘hold’ it there. That’s not how physics works - unless you add throttle the bike won’t want to stand up. It’ll stay at the same lean angle if you keep the same throttle. Use the brakes/throttle to control a lot of the lean/staying on course. Do you use body position? Like I say, no insult to you, but it doesn’t sound like you have learnt the skills yet. Big difference between getting a bike A-B and knowing how to properly ride it. Watch/Read Rapid Training stuff. Particularly their ‘push and release’ corner method. And then watch vids of people taking their hands off whilst cornering, or using tip of a finger on cruise control. And then get your butt cheek off to one side. Bikes like the RT/Goldwing, etc are notorious for creating armchair riders who don’t move or ‘be’ with the bike.
I couldn’t disagree more… you specifically refer to a slow speed accident. It’s not your body weight or strength that matters it’s your slow speed technique that needs work, and maybe some roadcraft development to help in hazzard awareness. The latter you have in the uk police motorcycle roadcaft handbook. Slow speed on a bike that size you should look to USA police style training like ride like a pro.
And how many of those police do you see having to push their bike up a slope backwards or do a u turn on a steep road off camber having had to come to a stop? Total nonsense. Heavy touring bikes are quite literally a pain. On a lighter bike you simply don’t have to think about the weight and everything is so much easier.
And who pays to repair the fancy fairing damage as you "learn to turn like a pro" and drop the bike repeatedly? Oh, that's the part they never talk about in those videos.
Naka, you talk rubbish! I had an RT1200 for years and you needed the strength of a donkey to push it from my garage up a steep slope backwards to the road. I'm rid of it now and have a super light honda cx 500, a doddle at under 200kg to push around, a great move in my opinion. I don't miss a huge heavy bike a bit, well, maybe the luggage carrying capacity, a bit!
Good looking motorcycles both of them. Replacing a heavy touring motorcycle with another heavy touring motorcycle? Hmm. Why did you not chose a lighter one? My first motorcycle was a two stroke three cylinder Suzuki GT550 - 50 HP and 175 kg. Great for everything including day trips and touring two up or alone. I don't understand why so many riders choose the heavy types.
The bags are to impress other riders of lesser brands. I have a BMW gs but I only mount the bags for long camping trips. If I’m going shopping for groceries I take the car.
Usually took the side cases off, but top case meant removing rear seat to unplug the wiring for the internal light and brake light, so I left it on. It’s 279 kg without the luggage!
I'm 71 and just thinking about trading in my FJR1300 for BMW R1250RT. I dont have a problem with "big heavy bikes" because that's what I've been on for most of my last 50+ years of riding, and for the last 24 years two up with luggage. Whats up with modern bikers? I despair! 😕
Life is short. Ride what you want. I don't agree with your opinions of the RT but they are but they are your thoughts. Hope your new bike works for you and you enjoy it
Dropping a motorcycle is one of those things that almost every motorcyclist does (or nearly does) at some point.
I don't drop my bikes very often. Last time I was able to pick it up fully loaded before anyone saw it. Still riding my Wing in my mid 70's
At 66, I went from a Triumph 1200cc to a BMW f800gs and could not be happier. It's 60kg's lighter, lower to the ground, and is super flickable and does will off road. I almost bought a Triumph 900 GT, but I do like to go off-road and the Rally Pro is just too tall for me. So, I went with the BMW and it is an awesome bike.
Hi, you’ve made the right decision for you. If you are not enjoying your bike and feel intimidated by it there is clearly a decision to be made. As it happens, I have had the exact same model of RT, in Mars red but a 2019 bike, for the past few months. I was smitten on the test ride, decided life’s too short to dither and bought it. I am 65, about 11 and a bit stone and 5’9”. When I got the bike home I started to realise how heavy and intimidating it can be when moving it in and out of the garage, which it shares with a fifty year-old classic boxer, by the way. I began to fear I had made a wrong choice. However, I have overcome these fears by adapting how I manoeuvre the bike. I have installed a remote-controlled winch to help reversing into the garage and sometimes I don’t even need it. My body has got used to the bike and I love it. I have also fitted Wunderlich engine and luggage protection bars, just in case. I ride my own ride and don’t try to keep up with my mates (they can get the coffees in if they get to the café before me 😉). Enjoy your new bike, I am looking forward to seeing how you get on with it. 👍🏻
Enjoyed this video. If you have just one bike and you need to do everything on it including two up touring then an 800/900 adventure/crossover is the perfect tool. I am guilty of this too, but as motorcyclists we often get locked into the arms race if capacity and power, where in reality we don’t use the difference between what an 800/900 can offer and what a 1200 can offer, and the handling/manoeuvrability and weight advantages of the smaller bikes offsets any loss in power. The only qualification here is height. Height is almost as important as weight as a cause of dropping bikes. It’s important to get an adventure/crossover that is not too high for you or you will still be left with the risk of dropping it. But good choice and enjoy!
I rode a 1100RT about 28 years for ten days on a Edelweiss tour through Germany, Austria and Northern Italy. We were riding two up with luggage on very tight roads and I was 43 years old at that time. It was glorious and no issues however today at 71 I've cut down on the weight of the bikes and also on my speeds these days. My worries are more moving the bikes in the garage and parking on shoulders.
Ive recently downsized from my BMW 1600 GT for a Bmw R1250 GS TE low chassis version absolutely love it
Stay safe
Hi, your experience is very similar to mine. I’ve moved from a heavy 1200cc bike to a 800cc road biased adventure bike. Very happy with my choice; Suzuki V Strom 800re. These mid size adv. bikes are still substantial/powerful enough to carry gear and passenger if needed so practically is good. I use my bike for frequent UK day rides and less frequent longer European tarmac trips, always solo and alone. There’s plenty of power and more importantly torque for me. The new bike is balanced, carries its weight well, very stable, very comfortable and generally easy and worry free to ride. As a result I’ve found I’m riding the new bike much more often, happy to take it out in poor/wet conditions due to its friendly/easy road manners. While these qualities are obviously beneficial in daily use I also feel they are beneficial while on tour. The additional requirements of touring, ferry loading, bike parking often in non-flat/loose gravel car park locations, testing roads and variable weather all seem to favour a more manageable bike. Factor in the cheaper fuel bills/general running costs as well as a more modest bike presumably being less attractive to thieves. I certainly won’t be returning to a larger bike any time soon.
The drivers are different but I have been through a similar bike selection experience. I had an RT and a Ducati Streetfighter V2 - for downsizing reasons i had to go to only one. I traded them both in on a S 1000 XR about a month ago. I’m shorter than you but don’t suffer from the strength issues you have currently. I wanted to get to a bike that I could tour with 2-up but be as fun (or as close as possible) when riding solo to the streetfighter. The XR is my solution. I really found the RT to be boring - unless i had to use it (for 2 up touring with luggage) i would ride the streetfighter 100 % of the time. I would even choose my pickup truck over the RT - just a big exercise getting the big bike out of the garage for a boring ride. My season has ended now but with the 1 month of experience i have I’m pretty optimistic i have found the best bike to meet my set of criteria.
FWIW I test rode a bunch of bikes, both two up and solo, before landing on the S 1000 XR - Multistrada, R1300GS, 900 GS….. and I liked all of them better than the RT based on my simple ‘fun’ and touring-capable criteria.
I hope the GS makes you happy, and if doesn’t end up being your solution, the good news is you can always change again in a season or two. Cheers!
Try a super Maxi scooter for touring. Something like I own a Kymco AK 550 Premium. Good on gas, great wind protection and built in under seat luggage carrying without the width of panniers. I just added 33 litre top box for extra space. Electric windscreen and heated grips and cruise control are standard on the AK 550. Plus the weigh, centre of gravity is way low by design... Way easier to handle than a big tourer and will go anywhere they can as I've owned a few tourers in the past and wouldn't go back to one after owning the AK 550 twin with 270 degree crank!
What about the weight, is it manageable.
I'm seriously thinking of going the AK550 route, I have a Honda Pan, a Harley softail and had a 2013 Goldwing. The insane weight of the Goldwing spoilt it for me, everyone that rode it dropped it 😆
I'm in my early 60's recovering HA and x4 Bypass. So I hear you about the sheer size. Particularly in the garage or parking lot.
I moved up to a R1200GS from a Triumph Classic. It was a big intimidating bike to start with. I've dropped it. Pushing it around in the garage. I don't believe I could comfortably manage a bigger bike.
Your RT looks lovely, First thing I would do is add lower crash bars and cylinder covers. 2nd thing take it to a parking lot and practice riding it slow. Including emergency stop. I've dropped mine, practicing, the bars and covers have the scars the bike was ok. The additional weight, I honestly never rode without them I don't know. I seriously doubt I would notice. I do get confidence from them.
Why do I ride such a big beast. I really really like it. The day will come when I have to downsize. Not yet.
The question is what kind of riding do you want to do. I wanted to do a really long distance tour, with some off road, dirt, gravel, rock, mud. I was not comfortable riding my triumph on. I did the ride. I've kept the bike, to keep the option to do more.
I ride it round town OK. I admit I am careful how and where I park.
Crash bars a relatively cheep and easy to replace. Give them a try.
OK to Late, Nice "New" Bike. Enjoy the ride.
Yes, weight loss with muscle loss will make it a challenge. I have the exact same bike (with tall windshield) and did 8000 miles up through Alaska onto dirt and mud to the arctic ocean. I put on drop protection and underbelly protection and TKC 80 knobbies when I got up to the dirt road areas. The trip went flawlessly even we=hen fully loaded. It was still quite nimble to avoid dangers in the frost heave roads. Please get yourself physically trained up and set up the bike a bit more, it’ll still be the best bike for you. Good luck
I have lost about 100 lbs over the past couple of years (intentionally) and I’m 70 years old. I clearly have noticed that it is more difficult for me to manage my Tiger 800 around the garage than a few years ago. BUT I’ve can also say that my bikes performance has improved significantly. Between aging and weight loss I am getting weaker and find that I just need to be a little more careful when I’m handling the bike. I really like being lighter and the bike feeling more responsive; maybe I just need to do something to gain some more strength!
Definitely factors to consider with a big bike. Recently sold a Pan ST1300.. it was faultless on my Europe trip but having to think about parking it on slopes, general manual handling especially fully loaded took some forward thinking. When you then take out a comfortable lightweight sports tourer you realise how easy it can be
I feel you man. The v85tt in my mind was still the ideal bike for you though. Also, just get soft luggage. It's much more flexible and you can just move it to another bike
Some approx 230kg sports tourers, Triumph 1050 tiger sport, BMW s1000xr, 1290 Duke GT, Ducati Multistrada 1200 or Africa Twin.
Been in just this situation with my RT. Absolutely loved the bike, and for me at 23 stone it was the perfect bike. Rode on it with 9 hr riding days with no problem. It handled incredibly well for a 4 seater sofa.
I had a shoulder problem that required surgery. Prior to surgery, I dropped the RT 4 times getting it out the garage. Always when wheeling it around or getting it off the stand.
I sold it and got the new Versys 1000 cos it was lighter, only 12 kg's but lighter.
I didn't drop the Versys, but I missed the boxer engine, so got myself a R1200GS , not the adventure, just the normal one.
I love it, feels much much lighter and still throw it around like a goodun.
Good choice with the 850, nice bikes. I had the F800GS but couldn't get on with the front end dive.
Enjoy the new steed 👍
Thank you. 😊 I hope the shoulder is better. Have had shoulder surgery myself so can empathise - it’s horrible.
I agree with everything you say. Just sold my RT of 5 years to a younger guy. It was the best bike I’d ever owned. I’m 70 and have switched to a Tiger 900 GT PRO. Much better for me now. Miss the RT terribly though!
@@duncanelliott5120 I would love another one if I'm honest, but even after surgery the shoulders not perfect, so will stick with the GS.
I went from an RT to a GTL because I believed at the time that bigger was better. Ended up hating the GTL and went back to an RT where I was very happy for a while. I simultaneously had a V85 that I loved and as I grew tired again of the RT, I just got it into my head that I hated the fairing and the whole cockpit thing interfering with my view of the road, I sold the RT and the V85 and bought a 1250 GS. Instant love. I am only a road going rider and have no interest in off road. Most comfortable best set up bike I have ever had, although to be honest I could've just kept the V85 and saved myself a ton of money. The V85 is a great bike and does have enough power for almost every application. Enjoy.
Hello, enjoyed your video, you are right, I dont think you will ever hear anyone saying 'you know what, I wish my bike was 50 KGs heavier and a bit of a stretch to touch the floor'. You have done whats right for you and you did explain the reasons why. Soon as you say there is a problem with or somethings not suitable people will start tapping ' What, what, what ...how dare you, how very dare you.' I'll just say Hanlon's Razor. Enjoy the bike it looks nice, good choice👍
"I wish my bike was 50kg heavier with my feet farther from the ground" - said no one ever. Too funny.
Toured Europe on an MZ 125. Had no bother at all…
weird, whenever I have lower back problems or pain between my shoulder blades the best medicine is motorbike riding and moving my upper body around like crazy as if I was wrestling the bike :)
Greetings from N.I. Health to ride your new bike !, I am 62 been riding bikes 47 years current bike is an R1250GS tried the RT bad money to change so I'm glad I still have my bike, still do euro adventures but I concur with a lot of you thoughts I dont see me going on past 65 ish as when you get older you loss strength and balance especially over 60 !! No shame it's part of life, thats why theres different bikes "horses for courses". For the brakes I changed mine for EBC double H sintered have a better bite and feel. Regards Robert.
Weight lifting 🏋 is the way forward 😎👍
I’m 173 cm and mine weight are 69 kg. But still I have driven a BMW K1200 LT more than 10 years and never even dropped it 😁😁But I have been close sometimes. You have to plan parking, sightseeing and so on. The bike is 400 kg, and with 2 on and luggage it’s about 600🙈🙈. In the Tatra mountains in the Slovakia we manage to turn the bike on a road where there was 10% rise. With 2 on….To be or not to be I remember 😂😂But I have to say that I’m a former athlete and work out about 6-9 times a week 😂 I’m 61 years old
I have gone the other way until earlier this year I had a 1200GS air cooled, 1250GS and a 750GS (2nd one I’d owned) I’m not young been retired nearly 7 years quite tall and pretty light weight but everyone is different in what they want or need in a bike. I bought a new 1250RT LE early summer and love it after all those years with the GS I don’t find this less manoeuvrable and for my style of riding it just suits me really well. I do ride for the local Blood Bikes and this is only relevant because they mainly use Yamaha FJR 1300’s that are more or less the same size weight and riding position. I preferred the 750 over the 850 just because of that front wheel, I know there is a power difference but really makes no difference on the road and I have toured Europe and all over the UK with my wife on the pillion. You’re right about the luggage I just used to swap mine from 1250 to 750, unfortunately the original bike had different luggage. That was a shocking price for the lid of the top box when I bought my RT I found Sycamore Motorrad, in Peterborough they sell genuine parts, on the well known auction website much cheaper than anywhere else and I got a brand new top box for £620 more or less £400 cheaper than the dealers. Ride safe and enjoy the bike
That small screen is the "sport" screen that you get by default on the colourful model. I had a red 2018 R1200RT with that same screen. I'm 5'10" and it was too small. I got a third-party touring screen and loved it.
I got the touring screen on my 2021 RT and it's great.
I hear what you're saying about the weight at slow speed, and the need to think ahead. But you should be thinking ahead when operating any motor vehicle.
I always take my time when deciding how to park. I never put myself in a situation where I'll be backing the bike uphill. I'm always looking at the slope and making sure that any reversing is done with the aid of gravity.
Also, you have to use extra care when coming to a stop to make sure the bike is perfectly balanced. As you mention, you can't get away with using your body strength to correct it if you get it wrong.
I disagree on the "how much power do you need" argument. Sure, in the situations you describe, you won't be using 130-odd horsepower. But on a smaller bike, when you want that power, you don't have it.
Regardless of the above, it sounds like you have legitimate reasons for wanting the change. I hope it works out, and that you really enjoy the new bike.
According to MCN your new bike weighs 229 kg (without luggage). The RT weighs 279 kg so that's a 50 kg saving not 70 kg as you suggested.
Hi, I have over the last year started to find my bike is getting a bit heavy in certain situations. I am now 70 years of age, lost a little bit in height due to wear and tear on various joints and spinal discs etc plus I only have a 29" inside leg so I can't flat foot on my Suzuki GSX650F which weighs in at around 215kg. I also have been considering downsizing but I like the way the Suzuki feels so planted on the road. Keep looking at the various options, what to do ? Have you thought about the possibility of trying different brake pads on our new bike as that can sometimes make a significant change to the feel of the breaks. Interesting video.
Good suggestion - may try some different pads. I have to say it does stop fine, it’s just the feel at the lever that’s different. After a few hundred miles I’ve gotten used to it.
Good luck with the new motorcycle. Sadly when you have the time to enjoy these fine machines our older bodies reneg at every opportunity 😂
I have ridden big motorcycles for years am 6/4 142kgs 68 years young and am sizing down now as well just to be a bit kinder to my worn out joints.
The perceived quality of BMW is a marketing masterstroke. I have to say the engine on your 950 sounds harsh like it needs another 2 litres of oil. Good video though, very insightful.
I’m 64 fit but with increasing arthritis in my back, moved from a 265kg GSA (my third GS) to a 225kg Multistrada V2S, best decision I made and I do big miles. Mid range bikes are now far more popular for a reason and it’s not just the price. Big tourers are fine for long trips with a pillion but you pay with the weight and the price.
I am 72 and quite fit. And around 88 kilos heavy. I have a VFR750F, a Aprilia maxi scooter and a K1200GT (the brick model). The latter is over 320 kilos wet. The VFR is around 80 kilos lighter. However, it is easier to put the K1200 on the center stand than it is the VFR. BMW simply designed it better. I used to have an 1150RT, the K1200 is actually easier to move around by hand in the shed. The K1200 (and the VFR also) carry their weight quite low and that is the secret. When I purchase another bike I always check how easy it is to put it on the center stand and whether I can push it around. To me more important than a test ride... THE benefit of big touring bikes is that you can do quick motorway rides in good comfort. I did own a 1150GS for a few months. Nice bike, but if you tend to do quite a bit of motorway miles it is so uncomfortable: the wind, the noise - you get tired very quickly. And a touring bike is no match for a sportsbike, on twisty roads. Do a few hundred miles on 1 day and it will be the other way round... My 2 cents...
Maybe BMW will come out with 1800 cc landcrusher to handle UK green lanes.
It sounds like you have a set up problem here. There is no way you should need to be 'holding the bars to keep it in the lean' and you definitely shouldn't have to 'hold the bike into the bends'. I have a 1250RT - you can gently (one finger) nudge it onto an arc then take your hands off the bars completely and it will continue the arc until you equally gently nudge it back upright - and then gently the other way as well if that is where the road takes you. The other possibility (given that you say the problem is you so I'm absolutely not trying to be critical) is that your injuries have made you tense so you're gripping the bars and throwing the bike off. If so, work on mindful relaxation. Brilliant to have you addressing issues that so many of us have to deal with. I hope you take this in the very positive spirit in which it is meant.
Couldn't agree with the video more and it’s the same with big adventure motorcycles. All adventure or touring motorcycles with an engine capacity of 1000 cc or more are excessive and not really suitable for anywhere except the open highway, and even then, a smaller motorcycle will usually do the job just as well. From experience with an adventure motorcycle with an engine capacity of 1200 cc, it is very heavy and requires a tall and strong rider and even then, very tiring in the city and stays behind any scooter, small or large anyway, what's more, every parking of the motorcycle requires thinking about the possibility of exiting. And in addition, there is of course a cost to all the technology and size which is mostly unused anyway. The engine is very powerful and already in second gear it easily crosses the maximum speed limit on the highway, so that there is really no need for all that power. But in any case, the fuel consumption is like that of a small car and the cost of maintenance and tires is very high, not to mention repairs. In fact, only rarely is a large adventure or touring motorcycle really used for what it is intended for, a long trip (for example, I assembled the side cases only three times this year...). Therefore, motorcycles like the Honda nc750x or the Suzuki Vstrom 650 or the Kawasaki versys 650 are a much better buy for the average rider, all at a much lower purchase and maintenance price.
Thanks CG for your thoughts, a real dilemma. I'm surviving cancer, doing alright, lost weight and strength. I love big touring bikes, own an FJR1300 (dropped it recently), XL1000 Varadero and an R1200R. Reluctant to give them up. I turn 67 next month. I keep fit, healthy diet, delaying having to give them up for lighter bikes. I might buy a a Voge 525 for times when I want to ride while not up to handling the weight of my big bikes. Don't want to stop riding.....
You won't have to stop riding! I'm enjoying my smaller GS, but it's still not a light bike. it's enough of a difference to make it fun to ride again. And I haven't given up on performance as I've also got a V4 Aprilia tucked away in the garage 😁 I'm pleased your health is improving- happy riding 💪
We live in a world where bigger is better, the trouble is it isn’t. My understanding is that between 50 and 60 hp is the sweet spot for power, handling and economy.
That is where people underestimate the Honda NC750X, 58bhp with masses of torque where it is need , heavy but it is low down, has the frunk and is available with the DCT gearbox.
I have an 1250rt and have a similar problem but with my right hip after riding for sort time. When I first had the bike I never had a problem. Yes moving in and out of the garage you have to think about it and yes cambers on the road are to watch out for. Sadly I am with you at 64 years old I am beginning to think a long the same lines. Have tried the BMW r1300gs and it was so much lighter and I was just as quick in the bends and loved the riding position.
Sorry to hear about the hip. The GS is the ultimate do it all bike. I think I'll be sticking with adventure style now, and even though I have the smaller one, my wife says it's far more comfortable as a pillion than tthe RT. We've been able to do much longer trips together.
You would have been very disappointed in the V100 compared to an RT. Not the most comfortable of tourers.. Enjoy your new bike 👍
Unfortunately you can’t have it both ways with big touring machines. I’ve owned RT,s,K1600,s, 1400 GTR,s, and lots of others. By their nature big bikes are a compromise. The weight affords you better stability with a pillion and luggage,better weather protection, and usually a decent ride quality. What it won’t give you is the handling of a sports bike, and the versatility that you,ll get from an adventure bike. Sounds like you haven’t found the right bike to suit your circumstances. I accept the compromise I have to make to enjoy big mileages that I tend to ride. Shame you can’t find a situation or adapt your use of the RT, to enjoy it. It’s a very good machine. Try your next bike thoroughly before you commit. Safe riding.
Thanks. I did about 8,000 miles on the RT and rose it through France, Spain, Scotland and Wales. It was brilliant and suited me well when I bought it. Without the health challenges I would have kept it as I have a second bike for fun. Enjoying the GS now and planning more trips - it is a better fit for me. Happy riding 👍🏻
I have been dreaming about an RT, but the weight aspect is certainly something to consider. I believe the Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello is a better option for my 72 kg... if I want to change the V7 one day.
@@mikaelpettersson2389try an RT and prepare to be surprised😉. You will find it much easier to handle than you think plus seat has a low setting that allows you to flat foot it with a 31 inch inseam. Low centre of gravity. Lovely machine and adding engine bars adds very little extra weight and is a must.
I agree and feel sorry for your loss of function. I hope you can somehow compensate. I've always been horrified by big adventure bikes and so ride an old sports bike. At my old age, I put up with the discomfort and adapted my style so as not to lean on my wrists. But in the bends it wins and makes biking worth it. I wonder if the peak on your helmet adds to your back woes, since the wind resistance makes it like a sail and aside from aesthetics is unnecessary on roads.
Thanks. The peak does make a difference and certainly catches the wind if you're in the wrong position, but I didn't normally wear that helmet on my RT - it's just the one I installed all my camera and mic gear on!
Oh and congrats on the new bike. During my last comment, you were only on way to the shop! I shoulda guessed about your lid too.
You only have watch clips showing the Stelvio Pass in Italy, to see how many people should not be riding big bikes.
My own weight loss (from over 14st/92+Kg to 11st8lb 73Kg) has had the same result for me on my R1200RS and I no longer wish for anything larger. Having previously had the R1200R and S model bmw I would again consider the new R1300RS or R when available before any thought towards the larger RT or GS versions. Having a Royal Enfield 450 Himalayan I find this second bike just as much fun riding across Devon and avoiding sheep, ponies and potholes is definitely better on a more agile machine. Add in the new speed cameras, car driver videos and our busy roads I think the needs of a large tourer are limited, although the RS was perfect solo touring europe even carrying loaded panniers, topbox and camping gear across the rear seat. Once you lose faith in either the bike or your ability to control then it is tiem for a change. Stay Safe, best wishes.
Interesting that you chose an 850. I think it’s a lardy and top heavy bike for the engine size and power and it’s significantly taller than your RT, but with your height it maybe doesn’t matter. However coming from an RT it’ll probably feel like a featherweight! Big tourers aren’t selling and outside of the GS BMW big bike sales have fallen through the floor in the UK because they’re too bulky and heavy for busy roads. Also your experience with trading in is common. Try part ex’ing a BMW at any other brand. They don’t want them, even a GS. Hope you enjoy the new bike. I’m a bit smaller and would have gone for the 750GS as it’s a much better road bike.
Simple, get a smaller bike
I've gone from. 1300s, 1100s and an1150 down to a little 300cc. Guess what? I love it. I hurt my back a few years ago and just can't physically manage a large, heavy bike any more. Getting older sucks, but if you adapt, you can still enjoy biking. 😊
Damn. Back to chain maintenance and the reduced torque. I’d be selling the RT privately and looking at the new R1300GS (not the Adventure). It’s a lot lighter than the RT and has all the goodies. Just expensive!
The GS display is the best looking of all bikes in MO.
I have seen police motorcyclists drop their Bmwr1250rt. So it can happen to anyone
You hit every issue head on, mate. My 1150RT is 630lbs with panniers. Can't lift it if it drops. Like duckwalking a dead pig in the garage or a parking spot, so finding an absolute flat and gravel free spot is essential. Forget "learning to maneuver like a Japanese police rider" - any drop will cause major fairing repair costs. In traffic, and at stops, the high degree of forward rake and trail on the front wheel requires excessive arm and shoulder force to turn. At any stopping point, the front wheel has to be dead straight, or you are fighting to keep it upright. There comes a point when you realize you are wrestling with the bike more than riding it. That's when you find excuses not to use it. As you point out, there are superb touring 900cc bikes that are a full 150lbs lighter and more fun to drive.
This is not a problem with big touring bikes, it’s your problem
Very much sounds a skills problem, unable to keep up at 60mph in twisties… you can counter-steer with a fingertip, no force needed.
I do agree with issues like off-camber for parking, you have to plan a lot more.
@brianlaursen6521 literally wrote that the problem is mine in the description.
@aps-pictures9335 Tipping in with minimal effort from vertical is one thing, switching from one direction to the other is something else. Force is required, though you may be less aware of this until you go through some health challenges and shoulder surgery. Skill has nothing to do with it.
@brianlaursen6521 maybe take the great big chip off your shoulder? 😂
@@CGRidesMotorcycles Literally have the R version of this bike, and ride faster than you in the twisties (based on saying within speed limits - I’m not always).
I’ve been on an RT. It’s slightly slower to tip in, but not much, change of direction is just a quick push forward. You’re not pushing down are you? Shouldn’t take effort - and definitely don’t need to ‘hold’ it there. That’s not how physics works - unless you add throttle the bike won’t want to stand up. It’ll stay at the same lean angle if you keep the same throttle. Use the brakes/throttle to control a lot of the lean/staying on course.
Do you use body position?
Like I say, no insult to you, but it doesn’t sound like you have learnt the skills yet. Big difference between getting a bike A-B and knowing how to properly ride it. Watch/Read Rapid Training stuff. Particularly their ‘push and release’ corner method. And then watch vids of people taking their hands off whilst cornering, or using tip of a finger on cruise control. And then get your butt cheek off to one side.
Bikes like the RT/Goldwing, etc are notorious for creating armchair riders who don’t move or ‘be’ with the bike.
Why didnt you go for the r1200rs, same bike, can do same stuff, looks much better than the rt and doesnt weigh as much as a Harley.
They are not pot-holes, they are opportunities to test your riding skills ;-)
😂😂😂😂
I couldn’t disagree more… you specifically refer to a slow speed accident. It’s not your body weight or strength that matters it’s your slow speed technique that needs work, and maybe some roadcraft development to help in hazzard awareness. The latter you have in the uk police motorcycle roadcaft handbook. Slow speed on a bike that size you should look to USA police style training like ride like a pro.
You’ve concluded rather a lot without having any information about what actually happened.
And how many of those police do you see having to push their bike up a slope backwards or do a u turn on a steep road off camber having had to come to a stop? Total nonsense. Heavy touring bikes are quite literally a pain. On a lighter bike you simply don’t have to think about the weight and everything is so much easier.
And who pays to repair the fancy fairing damage as you "learn to turn like a pro" and drop the bike repeatedly? Oh, that's the part they never talk about in those videos.
Naka, you talk rubbish! I had an RT1200 for years and you needed the strength of a donkey to push it from my garage up a steep slope backwards to the road. I'm rid of it now and have a super light honda cx 500, a doddle at under 200kg to push around, a great move in my opinion. I don't miss a huge heavy bike a bit, well, maybe the luggage carrying capacity, a bit!
Good looking motorcycles both of them. Replacing a heavy touring motorcycle with another heavy touring motorcycle? Hmm. Why did you not chose a lighter one? My first motorcycle was a two stroke three cylinder Suzuki GT550 - 50 HP and 175 kg. Great for everything including day trips and touring two up or alone. I don't understand why so many riders choose the heavy types.
Triumph 800.
Rode my buddy's Tiger 800 and loved it. Only problem is money.
A wagons slow around bends at but it's made to do a job, touring bikes are for a certain job, don't make it try to do job it's not meant too
hi. If you remove rear 3 bags, it will get much lighter.
What's the point of the touring bike then? You get this because of the luggage capacity. Might as well take something else then 😅
@henrietn I meant to remove 3 bags when not touring, when not needed .
The bags are to impress other riders of lesser brands. I have a BMW gs but I only mount the bags for long camping trips. If I’m going shopping for groceries I take the car.
Usually took the side cases off, but top case meant removing rear seat to unplug the wiring for the internal light and brake light, so I left it on. It’s 279 kg without the luggage!
Sounds to me like you lost a lot of muscle during your weight loss
I'm 71 and just thinking about trading in my FJR1300 for BMW R1250RT. I dont have a problem with "big heavy bikes" because that's what I've been on for most of my last 50+ years of riding, and for the last 24 years two up with luggage. Whats up with modern bikers? I despair! 😕
Looks like an RT, not RS.
Seems that you need to work on your slow speed skills
You may have lost muscular mass - talk to a sport specialist to build muscle mass /weight back.... without the fat
You’re choice of helmet doesn’t help your back issues
Only wear it for filming.
Chiropractor?
Tried a couple, and an osteo, neither fixed it. Took 6 months, and a lighter bike, but I'm zok now.
Go to the gym.