partially correct analogy/coincidence! I have a quad core, 8 thread i7-3632qm, in an old Thinkpad Edge, as my backup laptop. if my main one dies I can hop on the spare. That quad core i7 mobile is still zippy enough for Windows 10. However it thermal throttles often under load. Just way too inefficient. In about 2 or 3 years I'll have to completely retire the system.
@UCNBvoRYvqOVR-WwFduIgYBQ most speed effective upgrade for any computer is an SSD. Even a cheap one can outpace a standard hard drive for awhile before write/cache throttling happens. but do be careful about reliability. cheap SSDs can get bad blocks quicker due to lower overall manufacturing quality.
@@oliverwilson999 true. However, even if it hasn't changed much, Intel has tried to make it that way. Just look at their processor naming schemes... I think the most important thing about this is that the different models are now aimed at different target markets than several years ago. i5 back then is like i3 today, i7 back then is like i5, i3 like pentium... that's my opinion on the matter
Yeah, my 5 or 6 year old Desktop has a quad core i5 and a GTX 1060, it is heavily outdated but works great for old stuff. My new desktop is way faster with a 12th Gen i5 and a 3060 ti, I use that for modern stuff.
I wonder if game development has been able to keep up with such high-performance hardware. I remember everybody used to yap about how "4 cores is all you need", now games literally require you to have as many, minimum.
There's no need for that. The Ryzen 3 Goes against the i3 The Ryzen 5 Goes against the i5 The Ryzen 7 goes against the i7 The i9 goes against the low end threadripper and Ryzen 9 And Eypc Goes against Xeon.
@@PaulsTechSpace i think we was talking about the skews after i7 etc etc, like K, F, and U and their amd counterparts like X, G and U models and what the numbers mean
@@David001 Celerons, Pentiums, Athlon and Sempron and NOT worthless. You may want to consider them when you have extremely limited budget (especially buying very low end laptops) or use them on some special situations. Pentium and Athlon were also high quality chips during the 2000s. Sempron has been discontinued for a long time though.
agree. in fact my take on the matter is that AMD forced Intel to FINALLY change their processors and the target markets. notice how modern i3's can keep up/outpace older i5's, and even some original i7 cores... nuts. I remember when I used to own an i7 920. 3 core, maybe? but 6 logical processors. was alright for it's time. ran very hot. sold it a few years ago to purchase an 8th gen 8600k/Z370.
@@nup5 I7 4770 (non k) here used for gaming. Paired with 32 gigs of ***DDR3*** and a new RX 6700 XT, this thing is still a beast. Runs no hotter than 70c even with the stock cooler.
@@_Lassic_ eyy! yeah 4th gen chips are still holding their own. especially the i7 ones. I used to have a i5 4th, S variant. for a file server for awhile (4x 8gb ddr3 as well), ran as fast as my older i7 desktop. just be wary, the CPU may begin throttling that GPU. but I'm sure you know that, it's obvious you made that upgrade decision
@@nup5 the lack of REBAR support sucks. I can literally see my CPU throttling, eventhough it's not, because it's never at more than like 50% utilization lol. I also have a 3770 that I'm going to use as a server. In the future, I'd like to buy AM5 once AM6 comes out, just to make sure they hold their word on the whole socket thing.
Would be nice if you could redo some more of those old Techquickie videos. There are a lot of them and they serve as a good short explanation of all kinds of topics, but unfortunately they are outdated by like 8 years.
I3 - Office. I5 - Basic Gaming and some Edit's. I7 - Good Gaming, High Quality Edit's video and all functions you will need. I9 - Ultra Gaming, Ultra Quality in Edit's, Ultra Quality Render 3D Models, and basically all the functions you had ever think. The better choise for 6+ years is the I7 and I9.
It's incredible how rapidly competition has made features that were once locked to high-end parts (boosting, hyperthreading, XMP) work their way down the stack over the past couple years.
It's actually pretty stupid simple on Intel. If you look at a model number after the i number, the first 2 digits indicate the generation. Example, i7 12XXX or i5 13XXX. That 12 or 13 is the generation number. Edit: Forgot to mention, everything else after the generational number, is the specific model within that generation and type
It is simple, the the first part is the generation number, 4xxx is 4th Gen, & 13xxx is 13th Gen for example. next is the model, like 13900 is the current high end i9, then come the suffix letters. k means overclockable, f means no integrated graphics, kf is overclockable with no integrated graphics, h is for laptops, hk is overclockable for laptops.
2000 series = bare minimum (email, videos). 3000/4000 = good enough for basic users. 5000-7000 = don't bother, they didn't improve much but the price goes up fast. 8000-9000 = no longer cheap but slightly improved. 10,000 = finally better performance but not cheap at all. 11,000 = don't bother, almost the same as 10 series. 12,000 = very good but high price. 13,000 = great, but brand new so it's expensive. Celeron = pain and suffering.
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Yes it is more important. Intel CPUs organization explained simply: Generations are a group of CPUs, which are better than the last generation overall, because the technology evolved. Then, this group of CPUs is divided in i3, i5, i7 and i9, which does not refer to the level of technology, but simply how powerful each unit of a same generation is. Also, inside each classification of i, there are differemt cpus. For example, i5-10400 and i5-10600. The number next to them means they're from the 10th generation, but they're different CPUs, the 10600 is more powerful. It often happens that an i7 is less potent than an i3 because of being many generations behind, and that makes users quite confused. There is no official line of progression in terms of performance of the CPUs.
How about an explanation of cache size impact within the different series. also how does the cpu know which action on which core to do first and which to be displayed first or last? And how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
1. That woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood if he could. 2. Cache size is mainly beneficial to gaming. There aren't many CPUs with large cache sizes so the recommendations about which to buy for work/gaming are usually obvious. 3. CPUs can be smart at multitasking or bad at it (aka Windows 11 when it was new). They have a bunch of cores so you don't need to worry about what goes where. 4 cores will handle normal workloads. Only multitaskers/streamers/professionals need more. And yes this has been tested before you cry wolf and say 6-8 is the bare minimum.
I got my Dell i5 for $109 on ebay.. With Windows 10 Pro, a tiny SSD harddrive and 8gb ram installed. I added 8gb of RAM and dedicated GPU (Geforce 1650 low profile 4gb) and this i5 is ZOOMING.
Not really saying they're the gamers or the enthusiast friend. But I still think it's awesome how the competition AMD brought with Ryzen made us go from 4c/8t being max on normal consumer boards, having it on I3, in a relatively short period of time. Compared to before Ryzen period! Also: Would be cool with an AMD-version for 2023 of this video too :)
Gamers friend...first two gens of Ryzen couldent even beat Intels 4core cpus fps-wize and was very memory sensitive. Ryzen 3000-series was competetive though.
@@ImDembe That is not what´s meant by this statement (i guess). It´s not that Ryzen 1000 was kicking Intels ass or something, it´s just that AMD 'normalized' having more than 4 cores in your system, which enabled developers to optimize for multithreading more than before.
@@karl9046 Yet here we are almost 6 years later and more cores dosn't do much unless you play a few specific games or do professional work. AMDs 5800x3d release is proof of that.
How many PCIe lanes did the 10th gen i9 had? 16... and that was 3 years ago. If you wanted to use NVME... you would sacrifice your Graphics card lanes. I personally have Intel myself because it was cheaper when I built my pc, but I'm pretty disappointed with Intel. I mean they've been using 14Nm for years and only recently switched to 10 nm and decided to name it "intel 7" , sorry but that's pathetic.
Honestly I see renaming the Celeron and Pentium CPUs into "Intel Processor" a bad move since at some point everyone will associate that to lower end CPUs, even worse if they include the Core line of processors on it too, at that point it's just better to avoid anything mentioning "Intel Processor" and go with AMD instead...
Wow, I was just thinking last night that Techquickie should really be updating their old videos from 5-10+ years ago. Updated info for us, easy money for them.
I'm not sure why you guys were so specific with the current specs of the different tiers but it'll definitely mean this video won't age nearly as well as the original. I really feel like you should have focused on the more general differences.
I second the need for the AMD video! Also, which kind of users are still buying Celeron and Pentium CPUs? I’m genuinely curious, haven’t seen those in a while despite being in IT and I almost never see recent i3’s either for that matter. In which machines do they end up?
No idea other than those systems you see for sub $500 complete. I don't know anyone that buys them. Some offices somewhere with a tight ass budget that can't understand the computer can slow the workflow and cost them money maybe?
Celeron are (were) great for when you need to build a PC for an old person who literally just wants to send e-mails, listen to music, and watch the occasional TH-cam video.
How far back do you need to go for the bottom end of these chips to be on par with the top end of a previous generation? Is the i3 on par with 6700k chips? What is the performance of the pentium or Celeron vs high end CPUs from 10years ago?
The newest i3's absolutely destroy the 6700k, and basically match the 8700k/10400 in multithreaded workloads whilst trading blows with the 9900k in games.
I'd like to see a video on it though, but right from the bottom of the current stack like Celeron and see how far back you've got to go before it starts getting near top chip performance.
Getting a i9 if you can get a good deal is great for those who don't want to upgrade for 7 to 10 years. My main rig runs a i7 3770K and I can still play majority of current gen games at 4k near max. Let me remind you. My CPU is nearly 10 years old. Most games now heavily rely on GPU and Ram and less on the CPU. So it's something to think about when building your next rig.
Small tip if your gettinga cpu for gaming. Get KF cpu. The K means you can overclock it. The F means it doesnt have intergrated graphics. It makes the cpu cheaper. And thw lack of an igpu doesnt matter bcs you use a gpu anyway (comes with nice side effect that it ensures the display cable is in the right plug). I personally am rocking the i5 13600KF
The 13th Gen Core i9 CPU has 36MB of *CACHE* memory. The first real computer I ever bought with my own money, in April of 1989 (at Micro Center, believe it or not), had an Intel 80386 DX CPU running at 25 MHz, and the *ENTIRE MACHINE* had 4MB of memory in it. 4 megabytes. For the whole machine. LOL!
Aside from a AMD version of the video, I think it would be nice to have a video explaining the mobile parts from both brands, especially the suffixes in the model names. It can help people choose the best hardware for their needs
Can you guys do a follow up on dramless ssds? Old one was for SATA and that for sure was bad then. Now NvME has Dramless, Dramless w/ HMB and with Dram.
Back in 2008 when I was out to buy my first laptop, it was all so confusing. Intel i3, i5, and i7 did not exist back then. The bang for buck back then was the Core 2 Duo, and that was my laptop of choice. With 1GB Ram (or was it 512MB?) and 256 GB of HDD, it was my very first sweetheart. Used it to write my first novel and played Gameboy Advance games through an emulator. It broke down in 2011 and then I got my first i3... the i3 2330m. Not bad of a laptop (with 2GB Ram). Now, the minimum is 8Gb to be considered "not bad".
I think you guys missed what made the previous video so popular and got too technical. But I'm a LTT shill so I enjoy everything you post nontheless ❤️
I feel like the content barely matters. The fact is, lots and lots of people are searching for this. So the video will get tons of traction regardless.
It is insane despite being at near top for over 5 years AMD is still only about 30% marketshare of CPUs on Steam Hardware Survey. That decade without any competition really damaged the balance of the market
Lots of people don't care, don't research, and don't know. They just buy a system from a builder and play their games. I noticed even on gaming podcasts they will discuss and drool over a 3090 or 4090, but never mention a CPU they're running with it.
I also noticed it was fairly hard to find laptops with Ryzen when I bought my last one. Almost like Intel is offering deep discounts over retail pricing to maintain market share at the OEM level.
because normal people don’t fangirl for amd like these comments amd is just a faceless corp, they arent your friends Intel also has a good rep with the general population and businesses
The differences I've found between an i7 to i9 when it comes to performance when rendering videos with identical apps: With the i7, the CPU utilization can run up to nearly 100 percent when rendering video in the MP4 format. When using the i9 processor, the CPU utilization runs between 20 ~ 30 percent when rendering video in the MP4 format. To put it in _lay_ terms. The i7 CPU is being pushed at 100 miles per hour; while the i9 is cruising along at 20 ~ 30 mph.
I actually learned something from this. The whole i9/i7 Power Ranger Mode thingy that optimizes the workload to the most available core. I like it. Clearly I don't understand it. But hey, sounds good to me.
I use 3DsMax and a lot of opeations/function use only 1 core, but of course when rendering it use all of the core. Is there a dual cpu motherboard out there that can take to different CPUs. 1 powerfull but single thread and 1with lower ghz but with lot of multithread ? So I can have the best of the both world.
So, will it be fine streaming and playing WZ2 from a single PC at 1440p? Stream res is 1080p - 936p 6k-5k bitrate i7 10700k 5Ghz 3080 ti 32 gb ram Thoughts?
i'd say it should be fine, 8 cores at 5ghz should handle that load. although with streaming + a 3080ti your cpu *might* bottleneck your max performance slightly, but i dont think that this will be the case for you
me with my 8600k. 6 cores, got a really good sample. paired with a slightly dated Z370 ASRock, but I was able to maintain 5.0GHz steady for almost an hour without fault. Think I got 5.5 max before CPU errors, been awhile so forget. Yes, water cooled. Does an AIO count lol? Budget minded system.
@@santenz8460 sweet! AIO is good for just below maximum CPUs, imo. not as good at heat removal after awhile, compared to a full water cooling system, but great for short bursts that budget overclockers usually need. usually.
That was only the most popular techquickie ever because TH-cam's algorithm continued to recommend it to people even though they've seen it two or three times. It's only just recently stopped being recommended to me over the last couple of weeks after I finally clicked not interested hoping that one video would go away and would be replaced with other techquickie videos.
Could you do a video on Foveated rendering and other GPU efficiency methods. With foveated or other eye tracking would be interesting to see what considerations are taken for people with a lazy eye or other physical differences
Hm. Interesting point, but I'm not positive. Intel has been making 16+ core processors since 22nm... Idk gen 3 or 4? Though they were server and commercial CPUs, they could have leaked over, and probably would have.
The Turbo Boost Max 3.0 still sounds attractive for extremely CPU-intensive games such as Stellaris. Or 7 Days to Die. Both are notorious for loading one thread/core *really* hard.
Hey I thought about getting a gaming laptop and I was thinking about buying a budget laptop, and buy Radeon rx 7900 xtx or Rtx 4070 ti and use it as Egpu, do you think that would be a smart choice? The laptop don’t need to do more then 120hz, but maybe good screen, if you have any suggestions
I'm currently building a Intel 13th gen PC with a i7 (13700k). I had considered a i9 but it was a little more expensive, plus I was concerned about it running hotter (and needing more cooling). I might upgrade to i9 13th gen when the price comes down in a few years. I am thinking intel will change the CPU socket type with the 14th gen, not sure but I've heard they change sockets pretty often.
I personally think it would've been better to start up from the i3 and explain which use-cases each CPU family is suited for. It's pointless spending hundreds of dollars on an i9 unless your workload really needs that much compute power, which I didn't see mentioned anywhere in the video
Im still using my I7 6700k all cores running 4.8 air cooled. Upgraded to nvme.2 and upgraded my memory to 32 running @4000mhz. And running a 3070 ti. It doesn’t a break a sweat on Any game I’ve thrown at it. Including Microsoft flight sim at high setting. With close to 70 fobs on a 2k monitor.
when i got a laptop a year or 2 ago i thought i was getting a good deal getting a 3060 (back when 30 series anything was as rare as unicorns) and an 11th gen i7 cpu but turns out despite being an i7 its still only 4 cores and the 3060, while being the higher TDP laptop version, has half the vram as desktop variant
A suggestion would be recommendations of parts and/or equipment, Pc builds or setups, and jargon/details to look out for that would improve creative apps for editing, architecture (mostly involves rendering), or coding. The title would be "5 Pc builds and what you will need to know for *insert computer related career here*" This would be awesome👍
They call it i9 instead incorporating such features on i7 because they want to get more buck out of it by making few improvements on the older gen processor. The result is, people are shifting to Mac or AMD to get most of their buck. I remember a $999 pc was a beast way back 2009 (Core 2 Quad, Nvidia 9800), whereas you cant do much with mac at that price during that time. Now, a $999 pc got sluggish performance whereas a $999 mac has a performance of a high-end PC.
its nice hearing intel is making the i mean something again. I remember just a year or two ago my company had new laptops, there were i3 processors that were as good as an i7 from some years earlier. thats because that earlier i7 was a dual core hyperthreaded. it was a struggle for the user deciding if they wanted to "upgrade" to the latest machines which had less ram and on board graphics.
@@DETERMINOLOGY I mean that just today the old i3, i5, i7 video from Linus that is years and years old (the one they talk about in this video even) is suddenly showing up in my video recommendation feed
Got a 13900k. It's so sad to think about that in like 3 years it will be average. I remember my 8700k. It was amazing, just to get beaten by i3s now as they are become really fast. Old high end i7s got 4/8 threads, now i3s are faster.
Doubt that. At some point it just makes no sense to cram more cores in. Even now not a lot of software takes advantage of more than 8-16 cores/threads. At some point there is just no worthwhile improvement anymore.
@@muchossaugus9927 well today is different compared to 10 years ago. Intel was sitting on their butt with 4 core cpus with no competition. So games were targeted for 4 cores. Now intel is struggling to stay ahead. Cpus are getting more cores faster than ever. Now developers can take advantage of it.
the cache is a memory module that stores the data the CPU is working on - it's loaded in through the RAM basically, the more cache, the more the CPU can store info to work on, the faster it's going to process stuff as a result, since it wouldn't have to wait for more data to enter the cache to process it a major use for it is some video games - that's what makes the AMX X3D CPUs attractive; more cache in a compact spot due to a vertical layout - it's also relevant in production work that requires to treat a lot of informations very quickly
i3 12100 is a beast and all that 99% of people need, i really dont care anout the difference between 300fps and 350fps, i like to max my graphics anyways so am almost always gpu limited
a suggestion, talk about how intel cpu generation and intel graphics relate, how confusing it may be to find a superior i3 over an i7 , thanks techquikie
So for gaming only it's best to use just the i5? Cuz i'ved seen a lot of pre-build gaming pc using i5, i thought it wouldn't be strong enough to handle even KCD..
While use cases are but more niche should probably mention with intel you need I9 to get extra PCIE lanes. Mainly only needs to be considered if you have pcie cards other then the GPU installed.
I never quite understood i3's. Most people who doesn't need an i5 will probably be just fine with a pentium since they most likely just use their computer for browsing the webb. A few years ago, I would have wanted at least an i3 because the pentiums could have a hard time just running the OS. But nowadays the pentiums are pretty good.
The number stands for how many years before your computer gets so sluggish it is barely usable
My God this makes a lot of sense!!
I'm still using an i5-4590T, an SSD and 8gb of RAM. Works perfectly and snappy for office work
I find that to be accurate on laptops not desktops ;)
My Skylake runs pretty well tho...
partially correct analogy/coincidence! I have a quad core, 8 thread i7-3632qm, in an old Thinkpad Edge, as my backup laptop. if my main one dies I can hop on the spare.
That quad core i7 mobile is still zippy enough for Windows 10. However it thermal throttles often under load. Just way too inefficient. In about 2 or 3 years I'll have to completely retire the system.
@UCNBvoRYvqOVR-WwFduIgYBQ most speed effective upgrade for any computer is an SSD. Even a cheap one can outpace a standard hard drive for awhile before write/cache throttling happens. but do be careful about reliability. cheap SSDs can get bad blocks quicker due to lower overall manufacturing quality.
Finally, a follow up to that almost decade old video
Now give us an AMD one please
Because it hasn’t really changed for a decade lmao
And it still misses a lot like non K and whatever in 10th/11th gen
@@oliverwilson999 true. However, even if it hasn't changed much, Intel has tried to make it that way. Just look at their processor naming schemes...
I think the most important thing about this is that the different models are now aimed at different target markets than several years ago. i5 back then is like i3 today, i7 back then is like i5, i3 like pentium... that's my opinion on the matter
@@nup5 true… thats why they added i9 so it could basically replace i7
@@oliverwilson999 and in a few years watch... we'll get an i11 lol.
It's crazy how quad-core CPUs used to be high-end, but now that's like the minimum standard for new PCs.
Yeah, my 5 or 6 year old Desktop has a quad core i5 and a GTX 1060, it is heavily outdated but works great for old stuff. My new desktop is way faster with a 12th Gen i5 and a 3060 ti, I use that for modern stuff.
Intel ☕
And they still would have been if it wasn't for AMD's Ryzen in 2017...
Seemed like intel wanted to keep it roughly that way until amd came back swinging a few years ago
I wonder if game development has been able to keep up with such high-performance hardware. I remember everybody used to yap about how "4 cores is all you need", now games literally require you to have as many, minimum.
A video explaining the naming schemes for both Intel and AMD would be great
There's no need for that.
The Ryzen 3 Goes against the i3
The Ryzen 5 Goes against the i5
The Ryzen 7 goes against the i7
The i9 goes against the low end threadripper and Ryzen 9
And Eypc Goes against Xeon.
@@PaulsTechSpace Xeon also goes against threadripper, and the Celerons, Pentiums, Athlon and Sempron CPUs are worthless.
You just want a video where you can gush about how much you love AMD
@@PaulsTechSpace i think we was talking about the skews after i7 etc etc, like K, F, and U and their amd counterparts like X, G and U models and what the numbers mean
@@David001 Celerons, Pentiums, Athlon and Sempron and NOT worthless. You may want to consider them when you have extremely limited budget (especially buying very low end laptops) or use them on some special situations.
Pentium and Athlon were also high quality chips during the 2000s.
Sempron has been discontinued for a long time though.
My first CPU was core 2 duo. Aah the poor old days when I gushed over having 2 cores in my CPU.
I would have killed for a core 2 duo. My first CPU was an MOS 6502 running at a whopping 1.1 MHz.
@@vintagecomputing2314 username checks out
You think you had it tough eh? My first CPU was an 8 bit Commodore 64, but now am building a 13th gen Intel build.
Pentium 1 120mhz single core here
although technically i had an Amiga 500 and a mega drive both came with a Motorola 68000 7 MHz! processor
Try a cyrix 4 mhz CPU 😂.
pls do AMD cpu and gpu. Now that they are to be taken seriously, I would love to know how they fit in and related to the intel analogies.
agree. in fact my take on the matter is that AMD forced Intel to FINALLY change their processors and the target markets. notice how modern i3's can keep up/outpace older i5's, and even some original i7 cores... nuts.
I remember when I used to own an i7 920. 3 core, maybe? but 6 logical processors. was alright for it's time. ran very hot. sold it a few years ago to purchase an 8th gen 8600k/Z370.
@@nup5 I7 4770 (non k) here used for gaming. Paired with 32 gigs of ***DDR3*** and a new RX 6700 XT, this thing is still a beast. Runs no hotter than 70c even with the stock cooler.
@@_Lassic_ eyy! yeah 4th gen chips are still holding their own. especially the i7 ones. I used to have a i5 4th, S variant. for a file server for awhile (4x 8gb ddr3 as well), ran as fast as my older i7 desktop.
just be wary, the CPU may begin throttling that GPU. but I'm sure you know that, it's obvious you made that upgrade decision
@@nup5 the lack of REBAR support sucks. I can literally see my CPU throttling, eventhough it's not, because it's never at more than like 50% utilization lol. I also have a 3770 that I'm going to use as a server.
In the future, I'd like to buy AM5 once AM6 comes out, just to make sure they hold their word on the whole socket thing.
Yes. I find their naming scheme a more confusing than Intel’s and Nvidia’s.
Would be nice if you could redo some more of those old Techquickie videos. There are a lot of them and they serve as a good short explanation of all kinds of topics, but unfortunately they are outdated by like 8 years.
I3 - Office.
I5 - Basic Gaming and some Edit's.
I7 - Good Gaming, High Quality Edit's video and all functions you will need.
I9 - Ultra Gaming, Ultra Quality in Edit's, Ultra Quality Render 3D Models, and basically all the functions you had ever think.
The better choise for 6+ years is the I7 and I9.
What if I have i5 with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 (6 GB) GPU.
@@rohithreddy5201depends on the i5. This video is slightly misleading in that the product number isn't the only thing to consider
Modern i5 CPU are absolutely good for high level gaming, if you don’t steam while playing you don’t need an i7
i3-12100f, 13100f are good for gaming as well
And i5 second gen isnt good for gaming, so ur kinda wrong
The gen matters the most
this is true 5 years ago dude. a i3 handles games at 1080 med with the right graphics card any day of the week for roughly 90% of AAA games
It's incredible how rapidly competition has made features that were once locked to high-end parts (boosting, hyperthreading, XMP) work their way down the stack over the past couple years.
You guys should do a new video on LCD panel types. A lot has changed since then
just watch hardware unboxed's monitor channel with tim........
Can you guys please make a video explaining the generations? I've heard it's more important than if they are an i3, i5, i7 or i9.
@@jaxx4040 13th gen is raptor lake, 12th gen is alder lake, both using lga 1700
It's actually pretty stupid simple on Intel. If you look at a model number after the i number, the first 2 digits indicate the generation. Example, i7 12XXX or i5 13XXX. That 12 or 13 is the generation number.
Edit: Forgot to mention, everything else after the generational number, is the specific model within that generation and type
It is simple, the the first part is the generation number, 4xxx is 4th Gen, & 13xxx is 13th Gen for example. next is the model, like 13900 is the current high end i9, then come the suffix letters. k means overclockable, f means no integrated graphics, kf is overclockable with no integrated graphics, h is for laptops, hk is overclockable for laptops.
2000 series = bare minimum (email, videos).
3000/4000 = good enough for basic users.
5000-7000 = don't bother, they didn't improve much but the price goes up fast.
8000-9000 = no longer cheap but slightly improved.
10,000 = finally better performance but not cheap at all.
11,000 = don't bother, almost the same as 10 series.
12,000 = very good but high price.
13,000 = great, but brand new so it's expensive.
Celeron = pain and suffering.
Yes it is more important. Intel CPUs organization explained simply:
Generations are a group of CPUs, which are better than the last generation overall, because the technology evolved. Then, this group of CPUs is divided in i3, i5, i7 and i9, which does not refer to the level of technology, but simply how powerful each unit of a same generation is. Also, inside each classification of i, there are differemt cpus. For example, i5-10400 and i5-10600. The number next to them means they're from the 10th generation, but they're different CPUs, the 10600 is more powerful.
It often happens that an i7 is less potent than an i3 because of being many generations behind, and that makes users quite confused. There is no official line of progression in terms of performance of the CPUs.
How about an explanation of cache size impact within the different series. also how does the cpu know which action on which core to do first and which to be displayed first or last? And how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
1. That woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood if he could.
2. Cache size is mainly beneficial to gaming. There aren't many CPUs with large cache sizes so the recommendations about which to buy for work/gaming are usually obvious.
3. CPUs can be smart at multitasking or bad at it (aka Windows 11 when it was new). They have a bunch of cores so you don't need to worry about what goes where. 4 cores will handle normal workloads. Only multitaskers/streamers/professionals need more. And yes this has been tested before you cry wolf and say 6-8 is the bare minimum.
Can you play COD on an i3
I got my Dell i5 for $109 on ebay.. With Windows 10 Pro, a tiny SSD harddrive and 8gb ram installed. I added 8gb of RAM and dedicated GPU (Geforce 1650 low profile 4gb) and this i5 is ZOOMING.
now that’s what i call bang for your buck
Not really saying they're the gamers or the enthusiast friend. But I still think it's awesome how the competition AMD brought with Ryzen made us go from 4c/8t being max on normal consumer boards, having it on I3, in a relatively short period of time. Compared to before Ryzen period!
Also: Would be cool with an AMD-version for 2023 of this video too :)
Gamers friend...first two gens of Ryzen couldent even beat Intels 4core cpus fps-wize and was very memory sensitive. Ryzen 3000-series was competetive though.
@@ImDembe That is not what´s meant by this statement (i guess). It´s not that Ryzen 1000 was kicking Intels ass or something, it´s just that AMD 'normalized' having more than 4 cores in your system, which enabled developers to optimize for multithreading more than before.
@@karl9046 Yet here we are almost 6 years later and more cores dosn't do much unless you play a few specific games or do professional work. AMDs 5800x3d release is proof of that.
“not saying I shill for amd”
proceeds to shill for amd
How many PCIe lanes did the 10th gen i9 had? 16... and that was 3 years ago. If you wanted to use NVME... you would sacrifice your Graphics card lanes. I personally have Intel myself because it was cheaper when I built my pc, but I'm pretty disappointed with Intel. I mean they've been using 14Nm for years and only recently switched to 10 nm and decided to name it "intel 7" , sorry but that's pathetic.
Honestly I see renaming the Celeron and Pentium CPUs into "Intel Processor" a bad move since at some point everyone will associate that to lower end CPUs, even worse if they include the Core line of processors on it too, at that point it's just better to avoid anything mentioning "Intel Processor" and go with AMD instead...
People will group Core i9s in with Celerons
You can buy a Core i3 for the price of a Pentium these days, and it is way better. Pentium is basically obsolete at this point.
Wow, I was just thinking last night that Techquickie should really be updating their old videos from 5-10+ years ago. Updated info for us, easy money for them.
I'm not sure why you guys were so specific with the current specs of the different tiers but it'll definitely mean this video won't age nearly as well as the original. I really feel like you should have focused on the more general differences.
I second the need for the AMD video!
Also, which kind of users are still buying Celeron and Pentium CPUs? I’m genuinely curious, haven’t seen those in a while despite being in IT and I almost never see recent i3’s either for that matter.
In which machines do they end up?
Sub $500 machines like ChromeBooks.
Intel is killing those models this year apparently. Not sure what they're replacing them with
No idea other than those systems you see for sub $500 complete.
I don't know anyone that buys them. Some offices somewhere with a tight ass budget that can't understand the computer can slow the workflow and cost them money maybe?
omg how dare ltt not do amd first, your corporate friend right?
Celeron are (were) great for when you need to build a PC for an old person who literally just wants to send e-mails, listen to music, and watch the occasional TH-cam video.
How far back do you need to go for the bottom end of these chips to be on par with the top end of a previous generation? Is the i3 on par with 6700k chips? What is the performance of the pentium or Celeron vs high end CPUs from 10years ago?
The newest i3's absolutely destroy the 6700k, and basically match the 8700k/10400 in multithreaded workloads whilst trading blows with the 9900k in games.
@@thenotsookayguy and we can thank AMD for that, since they forced Intel to finally make better chips.
I'd like to see a video on it though, but right from the bottom of the current stack like Celeron and see how far back you've got to go before it starts getting near top chip performance.
Getting a i9 if you can get a good deal is great for those who don't want to upgrade for 7 to 10 years. My main rig runs a i7 3770K and I can still play majority of current gen games at 4k near max.
Let me remind you. My CPU is nearly 10 years old. Most games now heavily rely on GPU and Ram and less on the CPU. So it's something to think about when building your next rig.
Small tip if your gettinga cpu for gaming. Get KF cpu. The K means you can overclock it. The F means it doesnt have intergrated graphics. It makes the cpu cheaper. And thw lack of an igpu doesnt matter bcs you use a gpu anyway (comes with nice side effect that it ensures the display cable is in the right plug).
I personally am rocking the i5 13600KF
The 13th Gen Core i9 CPU has 36MB of *CACHE* memory. The first real computer I ever bought with my own money, in April of 1989 (at Micro Center, believe it or not), had an Intel 80386 DX CPU running at 25 MHz, and the *ENTIRE MACHINE* had 4MB of memory in it. 4 megabytes. For the whole machine. LOL!
Finally an update to the i7 episode! Man I was excited for this since i9's release. Just out of curiosity.
My first PC was a Pentium when it was the newest hottest thing out there. Weird to see it used as the brand for almost the bottom of the line.
Aside from a AMD version of the video, I think it would be nice to have a video explaining the mobile parts from both brands, especially the suffixes in the model names. It can help people choose the best hardware for their needs
Can you guys do a follow up on dramless ssds?
Old one was for SATA and that for sure was bad then.
Now NvME has Dramless, Dramless w/ HMB and with Dram.
I'm sure the information is out there. You can just go look for that information instead of begging some ytbr to do a video on it.
Back in 2008 when I was out to buy my first laptop, it was all so confusing. Intel i3, i5, and i7 did not exist back then. The bang for buck back then was the Core 2 Duo, and that was my laptop of choice. With 1GB Ram (or was it 512MB?) and 256 GB of HDD, it was my very first sweetheart. Used it to write my first novel and played Gameboy Advance games through an emulator. It broke down in 2011 and then I got my first i3... the i3 2330m.
Not bad of a laptop (with 2GB Ram).
Now, the minimum is 8Gb to be considered "not bad".
I think you guys missed what made the previous video so popular and got too technical. But I'm a LTT shill so I enjoy everything you post nontheless ❤️
I feel like the content barely matters. The fact is, lots and lots of people are searching for this. So the video will get tons of traction regardless.
I need a video like this for AMD CPUs. I have no clue what the high end vs low end AMD cpu's are.
Look it up. You don't need to wait for these guys to cover it.
@@VVVVV99611 Im lazy and imo AMD products aint worth the effort.
Please do a video about i3/i5 from this gen vs i7/i9 from previous gens.
you missed explaining how to figure out what current generation an i3 to i9 is. that is the most crucial aspect that was never addressed
It is insane despite being at near top for over 5 years AMD is still only about 30% marketshare of CPUs on Steam Hardware Survey. That decade without any competition really damaged the balance of the market
Lots of people don't care, don't research, and don't know.
They just buy a system from a builder and play their games.
I noticed even on gaming podcasts they will discuss and drool over a 3090 or 4090, but never mention a CPU they're running with it.
I also noticed it was fairly hard to find laptops with Ryzen when I bought my last one. Almost like Intel is offering deep discounts over retail pricing to maintain market share at the OEM level.
because normal people don’t fangirl for amd like these comments
amd is just a faceless corp, they arent your friends
Intel also has a good rep with the general population and businesses
@@Freestyle80 >fangirl
>good reputation
@@flameshana9 ?
The differences I've found between an i7 to i9 when it comes to performance when rendering videos with identical apps:
With the i7, the CPU utilization can run up to nearly 100 percent when rendering video in the MP4 format.
When using the i9 processor, the CPU utilization runs between 20 ~ 30 percent when rendering video in the MP4 format.
To put it in _lay_ terms. The i7 CPU is being pushed at 100 miles per hour; while the i9 is cruising along at 20 ~ 30 mph.
But which finishes quicker
I actually learned something from this. The whole i9/i7 Power Ranger Mode thingy that optimizes the workload to the most available core. I like it. Clearly I don't understand it. But hey, sounds good to me.
I literally googled this yesterday and was disappointed it was only last covered by you guys almost a decade ago lol.
I use 3DsMax and a lot of opeations/function use only 1 core, but of course when rendering it use all of the core. Is there a dual cpu motherboard out there that can take to different CPUs. 1 powerfull but single thread and 1with lower ghz but with lot of multithread ? So I can have the best of the both world.
I really like the detail that the cpu covers progressively get darker as the cpus get more higher end
I consider the i7 the sweet spot in terms of performance & longevity.
Definitely, if you want to upgrade in future all you do is swap the GPU
Do you have some video on core parking?
You guys done SEVERAL naming videos for intel. I get it. I still don't know the names for AMD. PLEASE can we get one!
It's been like 8 years since the last one, finally a follow up! :)
You should also do an AMD one too.
FOR NON-GEEKS: The more money customers spend. The faster their PC will run.
My computer has a Core i5-4430. I find it performs really well.
So, will it be fine streaming and playing WZ2 from a single PC at 1440p?
Stream res is 1080p - 936p 6k-5k bitrate
i7 10700k 5Ghz
3080 ti
32 gb ram
Thoughts?
Yes.
i'd say it should be fine, 8 cores at 5ghz should handle that load. although with streaming + a 3080ti your cpu *might* bottleneck your max performance slightly, but i dont think that this will be the case for you
My I5 9600K clocked to 5.2Ghz is very good value. Got it used for 70€
me with my 8600k. 6 cores, got a really good sample. paired with a slightly dated Z370 ASRock, but I was able to maintain 5.0GHz steady for almost an hour without fault. Think I got 5.5 max before CPU errors, been awhile so forget. Yes, water cooled. Does an AIO count lol? Budget minded system.
@@nup5 i got Corsair H100i plat AIO for it, and it runs stable at 70c
@@santenz8460 sweet! AIO is good for just below maximum CPUs, imo. not as good at heat removal after awhile, compared to a full water cooling system, but great for short bursts that budget overclockers usually need. usually.
That was only the most popular techquickie ever because TH-cam's algorithm continued to recommend it to people even though they've seen it two or three times. It's only just recently stopped being recommended to me over the last couple of weeks after I finally clicked not interested hoping that one video would go away and would be replaced with other techquickie videos.
Poor Pentium. Once the staple of high end consumer pcs is now not even worthy enough to branded on the lowest end of pcs
R.I.P. Pentium 😭
I still use my old GX620 with a Pentium 4 CPU. Pentium needs more love. 🥲
Most of us might prefer u guys explain the four numbers and the character followed by the processor type, Peace
Could you do a video on Foveated rendering and other GPU efficiency methods. With foveated or other eye tracking would be interesting to see what considerations are taken for people with a lazy eye or other physical differences
I like the explanation you give for the i3s, because it really fit the criteria of why i want an i3 powered system.
i3 was perfect for my DIY NAS for a while.
The hill I'm willing to die on: If AMD hadn't got their shit together with Ryzen, i7's would still be 4 or 6 cores in 2023.
Hm. Interesting point, but I'm not positive. Intel has been making 16+ core processors since 22nm... Idk gen 3 or 4? Though they were server and commercial CPUs, they could have leaked over, and probably would have.
Could you give more detail the functions of a core and how the amount differs in workload. Tks
The Turbo Boost Max 3.0 still sounds attractive for extremely CPU-intensive games such as Stellaris. Or 7 Days to Die.
Both are notorious for loading one thread/core *really* hard.
Minecraft would also greatly benefit from this, as it does almost everything on one core.
Hey I thought about getting a gaming laptop and I was thinking about buying a budget laptop, and buy Radeon rx 7900 xtx or Rtx 4070 ti and use it as Egpu, do you think that would be a smart choice?
The laptop don’t need to do more then 120hz, but maybe good screen, if you have any suggestions
I can nothing about laptops and computers, and I want one and need it for my work, can you help me
I'm currently building a Intel 13th gen PC with a i7 (13700k). I had considered a i9 but it was a little more expensive, plus I was concerned about it running hotter (and needing more cooling). I might upgrade to i9 13th gen when the price comes down in a few years. I am thinking intel will change the CPU socket type with the 14th gen, not sure but I've heard they change sockets pretty often.
they do change socket pretty often compared to AMD. that upgrade will be nice for you if you ever need it :)
I personally think it would've been better to start up from the i3 and explain which use-cases each CPU family is suited for. It's pointless spending hundreds of dollars on an i9 unless your workload really needs that much compute power, which I didn't see mentioned anywhere in the video
He did mention video editing and streaming, but nowadays most can be GPU accelerated.
Keep in mind any 12th or 13th gen i3 is an absolute beast for gaming, especially for the price.
i3 now days have 4 cores 8 threads which is solid. Sorta like a updated i5 6700k just a little boosted and that cpu can hold its own
Great Vid!! Can you give us an Amd CPUs Explained video too...
I'm running an i7-950, and that old warhorse still does the job for most of what I want to do.
Im still using my I7 6700k all cores running 4.8 air cooled. Upgraded to nvme.2 and upgraded my memory to 32 running @4000mhz. And running a 3070 ti. It doesn’t a break a sweat on Any game I’ve thrown at it. Including Microsoft flight sim at high setting. With close to 70 fobs on a 2k monitor.
Can't wait for Ryzen and Radeon episode
The amd line? Same.
2:01
I was half listening to this and I thought I heard Jake say “nailing a client”.
Had to rewind to make sure I heard it correctly lol
I am just here to know how trash or good my pc is
Same bro my mom gave me her laptop and it takes 4 hours to download a 13 gigabyte download
Finally! This was really needed. Well done!
i3 is enough for 99% of people
Oh my goodness! That was a very helpful video! Now off to complete my purchase! Thank you!!🎉😊
Nice video, wish you had added some explanation to the lettering scheme behind Intel (K, KF, KS, etc.)
1:58
“FreshBooks is an all-in-one accounting software that can save you several hours a week. That’s more time to spend nailing a client-“
I cant be the only one who noticed it coincided with the picture after 😂
when i got a laptop a year or 2 ago i thought i was getting a good deal getting a 3060 (back when 30 series anything was as rare as unicorns) and an 11th gen i7 cpu but turns out despite being an i7 its still only 4 cores and the 3060, while being the higher TDP laptop version, has half the vram as desktop variant
A suggestion would be recommendations of parts and/or equipment, Pc builds or setups, and jargon/details to look out for that would improve creative apps for editing, architecture (mostly involves rendering), or coding.
The title would be "5 Pc builds and what you will need to know for *insert computer related career here*" This would be awesome👍
Also generation differences should be mentioned as for example an 12th gen i3 can surpass an 9th gen i7.
They call it i9 instead incorporating such features on i7 because they want to get more buck out of it by making few improvements on the older gen processor. The result is, people are shifting to Mac or AMD to get most of their buck.
I remember a $999 pc was a beast way back 2009 (Core 2 Quad, Nvidia 9800), whereas you cant do much with mac at that price during that time. Now, a $999 pc got sluggish performance whereas a $999 mac has a performance of a high-end PC.
u didnt included any of the threads amount or if it has hyperthreading
its nice hearing intel is making the i mean something again. I remember just a year or two ago my company had new laptops, there were i3 processors that were as good as an i7 from some years earlier. thats because that earlier i7 was a dual core hyperthreaded. it was a struggle for the user deciding if they wanted to "upgrade" to the latest machines which had less ram and on board graphics.
Is this video why I keep seeing the old video in my feed?
Someone been under a rock.. The 13th gen is still kinda new which hes talking about as i really wouldn't say its old. 12 gen and under would be old
@@DETERMINOLOGY I mean that just today the old i3, i5, i7 video from Linus that is years and years old (the one they talk about in this video even) is suddenly showing up in my video recommendation feed
@@zeikjt TH-cam just doin' TH-cam things.
Got a 13900k. It's so sad to think about that in like 3 years it will be average. I remember my 8700k. It was amazing, just to get beaten by i3s now as they are become really fast. Old high end i7s got 4/8 threads, now i3s are faster.
Doubt that. At some point it just makes no sense to cram more cores in. Even now not a lot of software takes advantage of more than 8-16 cores/threads. At some point there is just no worthwhile improvement anymore.
@@muchossaugus9927 well today is different compared to 10 years ago. Intel was sitting on their butt with 4 core cpus with no competition. So games were targeted for 4 cores. Now intel is struggling to stay ahead. Cpus are getting more cores faster than ever. Now developers can take advantage of it.
whats the cache for? is it important for like video editing?
the cache is a memory module that stores the data the CPU is working on - it's loaded in through the RAM
basically, the more cache, the more the CPU can store info to work on, the faster it's going to process stuff as a result, since it wouldn't have to wait for more data to enter the cache to process it
a major use for it is some video games - that's what makes the AMX X3D CPUs attractive; more cache in a compact spot due to a vertical layout - it's also relevant in production work that requires to treat a lot of informations very quickly
Intel CPUs are the best and no one will EVER change my mind!
Finally, a follow up to the very first video I've ever watched, and made me subscribe to this channel 😀
Now you have to do Ryzen R3, R5, and R7 explained
For some reason, I always get it better when Jake explains it........
Tyvm, buddy.
Could you please do same for the Amd line up?
i3 12100 is a beast and all that 99% of people need, i really dont care anout the difference between 300fps and 350fps, i like to max my graphics anyways so am almost always gpu limited
a suggestion, talk about how intel cpu generation and intel graphics relate, how confusing it may be to find a superior i3 over an i7 , thanks techquikie
That 2014 video is what got me into Linus Tech Tips.
can you make a video explaining all the pros and cons of oled and qled and the difference between mini oled and nano ect
Damn! Linus got faster in this last 8 years....
The pentium and celeron cpus should be the i1 series
So for gaming only it's best to use just the i5? Cuz i'ved seen a lot of pre-build gaming pc using i5, i thought it wouldn't be strong enough to handle even KCD..
it depends on the generation. Tell us the number after the i5.
Oh I remember the original video.
It was my first Techquickie video
While use cases are but more niche should probably mention with intel you need I9 to get extra PCIE lanes.
Mainly only needs to be considered if you have pcie cards other then the GPU installed.
Literally just watched that old video and then found this :D Thanks for the update
So those pentiums and celerons... How many cores? 2 and 2 t or 2c/ 4t???
I'd like to make sense of AMD's product stack and their A9 / A10 series or whatever else they have
The A series are super old. They currently have Ryzen 3/5/7/9, Threadripper and Athlon.
Finally a clear video, that doesn't waste the viewer's time. Thank you!
Been wanting an update of the CPU vid to send friends instead of typing explanations so thank you for this
I never quite understood i3's. Most people who doesn't need an i5 will probably be just fine with a pentium since they most likely just use their computer for browsing the webb. A few years ago, I would have wanted at least an i3 because the pentiums could have a hard time just running the OS. But nowadays the pentiums are pretty good.