Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Most Mexican are of Mix ancestry European and native people of America because Mexico was the largest colony of Spain in the Americas, named then La Nueva España. Marilyn Monroe's mother was Mexican at birth legally, according to the Mexican constitution. Just like the United States Constitution, the Mexican constitution also observes that the children of Mexican parents are Mexican. Of course, this requires the child to submit a request for citizenship. So Marilyn Monroe's was legally Mexican of USA descent. Legally, Marilyn Marilyn was a United States citizen but was also legally a Mexican citizen. Both countries, the USA and Mexico, allow dual citizenship. In conclusion, the answer was legally yes. Now, your reasoning about ancestry, in the USA as well as in Mexico there are people that came from different ancestry, so the fact that Marilyn Monroe's mother was of European decent had nothing to do with her being a Mexican national by birth right. Culture has nothing to do with nationality and all to do with identity. You could be a Mexican citizen or USA citizen and be of any culture.
Marilyn loved Mexican food and culture when she was in ENSENADA she loved a tile she saw so she purchased it for her house she called her house her little Mexican Paradise.
Yes,Lynda Carter's Mother Is Very Brown Skinned And Is Completely Indigenous (Indian) Or Predominantly Anyway. Lynda Carter Is Phenotypically White Passing From Her Father Who Is Or Was Of English And Irish Descent.
@@gregoryjones9546 I grew up with girl with White Blonde hair, blue eyes and pink skin. She burned in the sun. I found out later when doing her genealogy her paternal Grandfather reported that he was Indian on his military record. More research showed that she was a descendant of Pocahontas father. She took on her mothers Irish ancestry.
The Mexican Constitution states that Mexican nationals by birth are: people born on Mexican territory regardless of their parent's nationality. people born abroad to at least one parent who is a national of México. people born on Mexican vessels or aircraft that are either for war or merchant.
@@cariounderstood9998 Under the mexican constitution Marilyn Monroe’s mom would be mexican so Marilyn could have mexican citizenship if she wanted even if she didn’t speak spanish of have any cultural ties to mexico
Mexican reduced to a mere nationality, tradition or culture is a racist colonial construct invented by the european invaders and their descendants in their attempt to justify colonialism, whitewashing and the continued erasure and ethnic cleansing against the real mexican natives and their native root. Foreigners cant "become" mexican as if mexican were fashion, a fad, a costumer or as if it were something cheap Full-bloods and socalled mestizos are mexican by their native blood, not by naturalization, cultural adoption, or a piece of paper
@@carlosocelotl7787yes, her mom up to 18 years old. If she didn't declare Mexican at 18 she lost it same as US citizenship but at 23 if you happen to be in the position of having been born in Mexico to a US citizen parent.
@FernandoTRA Nop in the Mexican costitution article 37 said "The Mexican nationality by birth shall never be revoked " If Marilyn Monroe's mom wanted the Mexican nationality, she could have it be cause it was her constitutional birth right, Marilyn could asked for the the nationality for her mom side even if her mom didn't asked the Mexican nationality
Her given name is norwegian, her paternal lineage stems from british captains, and her mothers name (Hogan) is a dutch captains lineage. All in all, she's best descriped as the captains daugter. A north sea mermaid.
And just to add to the "Mortensen" name,- both dutch and british ships had a significant amount of norwegian sailors on them, and the docks of new york were riddled by norwegians. even though she's only norwegian by name, there's a high chance of there being a norwegian sailor somewhere in the line due to her lineages Hogan, Monroe and Gifford all being captains lineages.
As a Mexican, I do not think she can be considered Latino/hispanic, because her roots never sprouted in Mexico, but it seems like she had an appreciation for our country ❤
I someone who is a dual citizen I disagree with you. I wasn't born in the US but that doesn't me any less American just as my nephews and nieces who were born in the US but have a dad that is of Caribbean nationality ...them being born the US doesn't make them any less Caribbean because they weren't.
@@gloriathomas3245 Your family’s roots sprouted here and in the Caribbean…that’s good! Unfortunately, to some, “Citizenship” is just a piece of paper or what they believe to be a “security blanket”…If you Love this country, if you contribute to this country , if you’re proud of living in this country, if you honor & believe that your goals & dreams are possible in this country, that’s what a true Citizen of this country should feel, in my humble opinión. Marilyn had an appreciation for Mexico, nothing more…and yes, you can Love two countries at the same, like you love your Children, Nephews, or parents…I’m sure you Love them both! 👍😊
Per Mexican law, a person born in Mexican land is Mexican. This is from the ancient legal concept of ius solis. I think Mexican law recognizes up to three generations back. You may not be culturally Mexican, but by sheer fact of being born in Mexico, makes you Mexican.
@@bebaramz9914 it's not just a piece of paper, it grants you the rights and privileges of that country. So for example, if you were to become Mexican by birth or adoption, you'd be entitled to Universal healthcare, free education and a pension at retirement age.
@@wellersonoliveira5334Well recent African immigrants isn’t a typical race in Mexico, but yeah. Any race can be born in Mexico. Mexico is more of a melting pot than the USA.
Ted Williams was half Mexican. He said he had to hide his ancestry because he wouldn’t had been able to play baseball in the majors since it wasn’t integrated yet.
Wikipedia makes him out to be a mixed bag of just about everything, not half of Mexico ancestry. His wikipedia picture looks what Americans call Hispanic to some degree, not really European.
I don't know about Mexican Americans, but either way the line for Selena Gomez would be Texan. Which lot of Texans are Mexican-American back when Texas was a part of Mexico or independent. Like for instance, Eva Longoria her family's been in Texas since before Texas was even a state. I am convinced that's one of the reasons why a lot of Texans identify themselves first as Texans and second as Americans 😂
@@guadalupechavarria1227 Mexico is a nation state, 'Brown' they have many different ethnicities within Mexico. And many people identify with different things. Well, most Mexicans are mixed with indigenous and Spanish descent. * Also, you didn't understand why I pointed out that Texas was a part of Mexico at one point in time, I'm not saying it's not a state. I was merely pointing out reasons why a lot of Texans identify as Texan first.
California has Spanish style influence from its history. Many of the wealthy homes are Spanish style with tile roofs. Spanish missions all over the state. It's just something you grow up with if you were born there.
Heres the thing about latin america skin tone/ethnicity, we come in many different types. Here in Brazil, theres 5 diferrent types of legally reconized skin tones. White= for very pale skin tone, akin to Iberians, in our case, the portuguese. And heres its where it gets interesting, "brown" mean 3 different types of non white skin tones, wich include; mamluks= or light brown, my type of skin tone, wich was originally a mix of native american/ iberian Mulato= Iberian plus african ancestry, a little bit darker. Cafuzo= Native American and african ancestry. Almost dark skin, but not fully. And then you have dark skin black. I know some people like to use light skin black to refer to people like me, and the whole thing is just complex, but yeah, for the IBGE census, its still how it is.
There's no such thing as Latin American skin-tone Lionel Messi and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, Alexis Mac Allister and even Anya Taylor Joy are Euro-Argentines. Does that make them less Latino?
I met a White woman that was born in Japan, Okinawa at a Military base that her Father, an American was stationed at. She was complaining that she always had trouble getting around because they would always call her Japanese because of her Birth Certificate. She had no Japanese ethnicity or any connection to Japan other than she was born in a Military hospital there. I understood her plight very well. She had no problem with the Japanese. She had Problems Stateside. Go figure.
This is mostly the case here with her mother - nothing to do with being Mexican other than being born there, which makes it even further for Marilyn to be claimed as having any Mexican in her - because she doesn't.
I think that happens in lot of places. What is also interesting is that people who are born in a country not their parents, and die in another country not their parents, are referred to by their parents ancestry. Even if they are wholly of that ethnicity, spending so much time in foreign countries should have some effect to make them not so native in their parents country. For example Nigel Bruce and Basil Rathbone, old time actors. One was born in Baja, Mexico, died in the USA, the other born in South Africa, died in the USA yet they played quintessially British people.
Mexican is not a race. Mexican refers to a nationality or a cultural identity associated with Mexico. So she could be Mexican, you could be Mexican, lupita the actress is a Mexican! , ( got it?) Mexico is a multi-ethnic and diverse country with a population that includes people of various racial backgrounds, including Indigenous Mexican (Amerindian), European, African, and Asian ancestry, among others. Therefore, while someone can be Mexican in terms of nationality or cultural identity, their race would be categorized based on their specific ancestry or ethnic background. Notwithstanding , The term Hispanic or Latino generally refers to heritage rather than race. Hispanic/Latino identity is rooted in cultural and linguistic heritage linked to Spanish-speaking countries or cultures of Latin America. Race, on the other hand, refers to categories based on physical characteristics such as skin color, facial features, and hair texture. In the United States, individuals of Hispanic/Latino origin can belong to any racial group (e.g., White, Black, Asian, Indigenous) because Hispanic/Latino identity is not synonymous with race. Therefore, Hispanic/Latino is not considered a race but rather a heritage designation that can encompass individuals from various racial backgrounds.
Tell that to the idiots on TH-cam who do dna tests and are surprised Mexico is listed as their ethnicity. Hispanic means Spanish not some New World country that speaks a form of Spanish.
I don’t think that makes Marilyn Monroe Mexican. There are a lot of celebrities that have lived in Mexico that are not Mexican, Ben Affleck is one of them.
@@elcondedelafere8751 it’s not about her being brown or white. There are a lot of white Mexicans, the difference is, they are actually Mexican. I consider Lupita Nyongo’o (who is Kenyan) to be more Mexican than Marilyn’s mom because she was born there and lived there for a few years. Marilyn’s mom’s family is not Mexican. They are from the US. She was just born there and came straight back to the US and never went back there again. There are a lot of people, whose family is not Mexican who were just born in Mexico. It happens all the time.
@@elcondedelafere8751 it’s not about her being brown or white. There are a lot of white Mexicans, the difference is, they are actually Mexican; born and raised, their family is from Mexico. I consider Lupita Nyongo’o (who is Kenyan) to be more Mexican than Marilyn’s mom because she was born there and lived there for a few years. Marilyn’s mom’s family is not Mexican. They are from the US. She was just born there and came straight back to the US and never went back there again. There are a lot of people, whose family is not Mexican who were just born in Mexico. It happens all the time.
Marilyn Monroe was born in the US, she’s American. Her mother was born in Mexico, to American parents, so her mother is Mexican by nationality, not by culture. Now, Rita Hayworth was of Spanish descent because her father was from Spain, her mother was American.
Gladys Baker would not have Mexican citizenship by deafult: her parents were Americans abroad giving her American citizenship - I doubt she would have been given Mexican citizenship unless she was an orphan or her parents decided to stay in Mexico.
Her mother was American by virtue of her parents. I have dual nationality, and my children can have Australian nationality if I register them at the Australian consulate, it doesn't matter where they are born.
Marilyn was of 100% European descent. In fact it's been stated in many biographies that she was a descendant of one of the Mayflower settlers. John Alden and Priscilla Mullins to be exact ! English, Irish, Scottish and some remote Scandinavian DNA.
100% European descent. her mother was born in Mexico, best go back to the mayflower drawing board, and for your information there is many white and rubio Mexicans in Mexico, whole towns, lots of ancestry but they all have in common they dont call themselves a white Mexican, just a Mexican, there not into the color code crap. Gladys Pearl Monroe (May 27, 1902 - March 11, 1984), also known as Gladys Pearl Monroe Baker Mortensen Eley, was the mother of American actress Marilyn Monroe (born Norma Jeane Mortenson). Born in Mexico, Baker grew up in the Los Angeles metro area. Her father died in 1909 after suffering from mental illness and alcoholism. (Wikipedia) google it
Okay even if she's of 100% european descent she's still of mexican descent cause mexican is not a race any race can be mexican also you mentioned mayflower settlers well not to burst you're bubble but some mexicans especially northern and those with ancestry from the southwest u.s / texas are descendants of the mayflower since some anglos that came to the southwest u.s / texas and northern mexico were descents of mayflower settlers
Mullins! There was a man on the Mayflower that came to North American with lots of shoes, very usually in the wilderness of America. His name was Mullins.
It is sad to realize that for some people, being labeled as Latino can still be perceived as a sign of lower status, in USA, rather than being considered "royal" or "first class." It would be interesting to create videos exploring why some famous Latinos in the closet choose not to embrace their country of birth or their parents' or grandparents' countries.
Regarding Joaquin Phoenix, I get it why he does not identify as Puerto Rican: his ancestry is not Puerto Rican and his upbringing/culture is not Puerto Rican. For all practical purposes, being born in Puerto Rico is just a biographical footnote that did not imprint who he is. His parents were in a religious cult ("Children of God") and settled in Puerto Rico as missionaries. There was nothing Puerto Rican in them; they were there, at best, to convert Puerto Ricans, not to be immersed in Puerto Rican culture. They were like Mormon missionaries, but nuttier. They resettled in Florida when Joaquin was 3. Giving his young age when he left and the relative insularity of any cult (even if with missionary intents), it is a stretch to say Joaquin Phoenix was "raised in Puerto Rico".
I heard Britney Spears is a distant cousin of Marilyn Monroe and I can see that, actually. They have similar features. Especially if you look at Marilyn when she was just Norma Jean.
@@vdcg2010 Why is that even mentioned? Nobody is 100% pure anything. Medieval alliances were made by marriages, if a British person and Spanish person married each other, they were seen as being British and being Spanish.
One famous actress, who is Mexican or part Mexican is Raquel Welch. Other actresses with partial Hispanic heritage include Linda, Carter of wonder, woman, and Catherine Bach of Dukes of Hazzard.
@@michaelrochester48 Raquel dad was Bolivian, no Mexican!! You know there are so many different countries in Mexican America, I meant Latin America ....
Gladly Baker wasn’t Mexican though….she has American parents who went there temporarily for work. It doesn’t make Marilyn Mexican. Gladys didn’t get Mexican citizenship and ended up coming back to the states when her parents stopped working for the railway.
@@basicallyno1722If she was born in Mexico 😂 she was born a Mexican. And any Mexican national children are born Mexican. Apparently back then you had to choose one nationality. These days you can pass Mexican citizenship down forever in the family.
Most countries have laws like that. My children have the citizenship of the country I was born in, but they had to prove their claims. Even I had to prove myself with my birth certificate, my parent's birth certificates and their marriage certificate.
It matters what part of the US her family came from. Everybody forgets that the Southwest American states were still part of Mexico up until the mid 1800's. I don't think Marilyn Monroe was Mexican. Linda Carter (Wonder Woman) however did have a Mexican-American mother. As far as America, the whole continent is America and that is the way it is seen outside the US. If you go overseas and you say that you are from America, a lot of people over there will ask you: North, Central, or South America?
Yes! My great uncles were born before 1918 and are labeled “Mexican” on their birth certificate. However they are half Pueblo-Native and Spanish. Their younger brother (My grandfather) was born in 1924 and has American in his birth certificate. The border areas, especially when you’re native/indigenous to that area, are veeery ambiguous and fraught with so much political strife.
My Parents were born in USA, I was born in Mexico. I had to take an oath of Allegiance to the Country that I wanted to claim when I was Eighteen. I chose USA. Just in time for the Viet Nam War.
Well, America does not like dual nationality. If you had an Australian parent like Mia Farrow, that parent could register you as Australian, I don' think the USA could do anything about that.
Exactly! Our Lands-North, Central & South America & Carribian Islands were all minding our business speaking in our Tribal Tongues until the Eurotrash did what they did none of us spoke English, Spanish or French until then extremely few people on the Planet know how to speak Latin or know what that's even about but that's how strong the indoctrination & brainwashing's been! We're all Tribal Clans Cherokee, Taino, Mayan, Blackfoot, Boriqua, Quinnipiac, Pequot, Choctaw, etc!🙏💖💯📠🐢
Linda Christian was born in Mexico, but I think her ancestry was mixed European as in German and something else. An Opera singer of Spanish origin was born in Mexico, one of the three tenors, Domingo?
She could be mexican, there are "white" mexicans too. Hell, even native american groups have different skin tones, look at most groups from north america, and most from Brazil, none of them are "white" but indigenous groups from Brazil tend to be darker.
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Native Americans are different races. Inuits are genetically different from the South American tribes.
@@VermontFootballBetterNorth American indigenous tribes like the Comanche, Shoshone, and Hopi, etc actually are genetically and linguistically related to Aztecs. Lots of North American tribes located in the northwest, west, and southwest of the US historically spoke Uto-Aztecan languages. The Numic (most northern) branch of the Aztecan language family.
Danielle, I'm a huge fan of your channel and videos, this one on Marilyn Monroe is no exception. I did want to point out that Monroe's boyfriend, Roberto Bolanos, pronounced his last name as "Bo-LAHN-yos", not "Bo-LAHN-os", as you pronounced it. keep up your great work. I hope that in future videos on Mexican identity, you include the significant though often overlooked African, Asian, and western European admixtures in Mexican society, how that defines Mexican (and Latin American) identity. It's an issue many Latinos are facing today. Thank you for ALL of you work!
This is the same case with Martin Sheen, Salma Hayek and Gloria Estefan...all are the children or grandchildren of Spaniards. Ayou can very much tell that Gloria Estefan is Spanish because she speak with a more northern Spanish dialect, the same way way F1 driver Fernando Alonso who is from northern Spain also speak.
What do you think Mexican heritage is? The Spaniards conquered Mexico, so after making lots of babies, (mestizos) Mexicans are of Spanish decent. Also, there are many Mexicans who are almost fully Spanish because their ancestors didnt mix with the native people.
Was Marilyn Monroe ethnically Mexican, NO. Was Marilyn Monroe culturally Mexican, YES. She could speak Spanish fluently, she did, decorate her home in Mexican art style, and she would wear traditional Mexican dress, at her home.
If Mexico had birthright citizenship when Marilyn mom was born she could have gotten dual citizenship. but since she didn't I wouldn't say she was Mexican.
The USA does not like dual nationality. Her mother would have to revoke her Mexican nationality to be American but of course, that's if anyone knew about it.
I wonder. Was the old man really Spanish European? Look at her before she had her Hispanic hairline lifted, she doesn't look European but some sort of Latina.
Great video! Thank you for answering the questions about mom that have been floating around for a long time. No her mom wasn't Mexican, since her parents were U.S. Citizens but this adds another exotic layer to all Things Marilyn that are just fascinating right? Such a talented, beautiful woman, whose life ended too soon, but I still chose to see her as.an overcomer. She survived so much! Great research and pictures.
@@albierodriguez9797 May I ask what about Canelo? He is mestizo born in Mexico..His brother looks Mestizo. And to be honest with you, you can tell by Canelo's slanted eyes he is mestizo.
@@asturiasceltic3183 does that mean he’s not of European descent? His phenotype is very “European”. The Sami people in Northern Europe have slanted eyes also, are they not European?
@@albierodriguez9797 in truth Canelo is mestizo regardless of what he looks like. His DNA will not be 100% European like many Europeans are. You can easily tell by looking at his brother. I even think Canelo probably wore a belt that said mestizo at one of his fights. Also many of those North Europeans with slanted eyes are mixed with mongols but from many many many thousands and thousands of years ago unlike Canelo who' who probably has recent amerindian heritage from the last 200 years. They are Europeans with Asian history from thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Mestizos like Canelo are a hybrid race not European regardless of their hair color, eyes and features. Someone like Tom Petty who was blonde hair and blue eyed said he was native American yet he looked as North European as you can get . He knew what he was and he didn't try to deceive anyone that he was a full European person.
I believe what matters, is ancestral inheritance, DNA, Genetics. Where her white mother was born is of no consequence in terms of whether Marilyn Monroe can be considered Mexican or Latina. I do know from my own personal childhood experience, that getting as far away from being called a dirty Mexican was my top priority here in America. I believe many Mexicans have taken that approach. Changing one's name is a version of that effort, if color tone permits it.
No she was not. Her mother was born there. Marilyn was born in California. But she has strong ties to Mexico even going there to find decorative objects to personalize her new home. She loved Mexico. She also spoke Spanish. All a well kept secret. But no.. she was not Mexican
Very interesting! It is very possible that one or both her parents carried DNA from Celtic Spanish bloodlines. During the Crusade Pilgrimages the night returned to Northern Europe with exotic wives. The Celts and Goths were always on the move! Great research, thought provoking!
Celtic Spaniards have pointier, and longer faces and much bigger noses and born with dark hair...Usually the eyes are pin pointy and deep or close set.. Think Emilio Estevez
@@azborderlands Spaniard Celts look very European especially Asturias and Galicia. My Dad looked like a Swede. Many said he looked like Emilio Estevez, which is a typical face in the North west celtic regions. His sisters were red heads with freckles. Even the dark haired ones look like South Germans.. If they are celtic, they look European. I think you are mixing them up with the Andulucians that most Mexicans came from.
@@asturiasceltic3183what about the Tartesso’s. You do realise that the reason many mestizos have bronze skin is because of the native population in Mexico prior to colonization don’t you?
I heard a man say how technically Italians, romanians, french, spaniards, Portuguese are all of latin hertiage, making them latino. Anything derived from latin group. On my own i did see asian mexians born amd raised in mexico. They speak spanish and feel mexican. I believe they would confuse people in the US. Interesting video. Thank you
I think some folks in the comments may have a hard time grasping that race may not be significant enough to mixed race and creole, this is why we focus on heritage and culture because that is the definition. If you can look beyond the binary American racial system, you can see how interwoven certain communities are, creating a NEW community including miscegenation that does not allow for pure racial identification also invalidating “you look…” because it simply is not significant to us.
Being from New Orleans, and knowing what the proverbial "one-drop" looks like, I've always thought of her as passé blanc in the way she phenotypically presented before the Hollywood machine changed her look, in particular when I found out her father's side is unknown to the outside world (and I believe, to her). For some of us, it's not her mother's ancestry that makes us question her whiteness, but her dad's😗🤭
@@azborderlands Those categories aren't mutually exclusive as the majority of Africans were trafficked south of the border. Only 10% of the total population were actually enslaved in what we now consider US borders. The other 90% went to the Caribbean, Mexico and everything below😗
@@Chitimacha1025 the majority of African people were not in Mexico for enslavement. Sadly, Mexico in particular enslaved the majority of their own indigenous population.. the US and South America had much more African slaves.
Marilyn's nationality is American because she was born in the United States. Her ethnicity reflects her parents' heritage. Her mother's nationality is Mexican because she was born in Mexico, though her ethnicity also reflects her parents' heritage.
Nationality: Place of citizenship/birth. Ethnicity: Ancestral lineage via DNA. Cultural heritage: Country/cultural roots. Latino is a cultural identifier that is utilized in the US context. It's not racial/ethnic. Latinos can be any racial or ethnic groups. Mexico is a multiracial country just like the US- like every country throughout the Americas. Mexican is actually a nationality, *not* ethnicity. Mexican- Just like American can be of any ethnic background. Most Mexican citizens are actually of Indigenous European backgrounds. And the rest of the country is comprised of European, African, Asian, Indigenous ancestry, etc. Salma Hayek is Mexican, but her ancestry is Spanish & Lebanese. Lupita Ngyongo is Mexican-Kenyan of Kenyan ancestry. Ironically the Mexican government abolished racial data collection as a means of creating more of a unifying national identity, but anti Blackness and anti Native discrimination and anti Asian is widespread in Mexico. Since they don't have data, anti discrimination workers work with what they have to fight discrimination, but it's hard to fight racism bc racial disparities are not well measured.
My father was born in the Philippines to American parents. He grew up in the Philippines. He had dual citizenship. His family moved back to the USA when he was 17. When he was 18 he had to choose between Philippine and US citizenship. He chose US citizenship.
He went to American school in the Philippines. I don't think many people would consider him Filipino. He did pick up some of the culture but is still culturally mostly American. He only speaks English fluently.
Love your channel. But I love the stories about your family history the most. The videos with professors and fellow genealogy detectives run a close second. Btw I haven't received any emails from you lately. Are you still sending those out?
I’m Mexican American and know the story about her grandfather having a job in Mexico for a short time and moving his family there briefly. However, MARILYN MONROE WAS NOT MEXICAN, in ethnicity (indigenous + Spanish), not at all! Where do some people get such misinformation?!? It’s also very obvious that she looks very Northern European! Truth always coincides with reality. People look a particular way for a reason. Marilyn herself was born in either General Hospital or Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles, in the “charity” ward where poor people are born (Marilyn’s mother was a single mom). Marilyn’s REAL BIOLOGICAL FATHER was Charles Stanley Gifford, a coworker of Marilyn’s mother, per 2022 DNA tests, and Mr Gifford was definitely white, along with Marilyn’s mother, Gladys Baker.
Kinda frustrating seeing fully white people claim being Latino! Like no, your family just moved there at some point. It’s kinda weird tho, like for example many Germans fled to Argentina after WW2 so there’s a lot of pure white people there, but can they claim being Latino? Idk!!
I am Mexican "American." Her mom did have "Mexican Blood." But again, USA always tries to take away anyrhing from us by distorting facts. For example, I remember this Whyte guy saying that the "Mexican Wave" was invented by some Whyte guy in USA.
Mexican isn't just Spanish and Indigenous. There are Afro-Mexicans that came via slave trade, but LA is so racist they don't acknowledge black Latinos.
@@RogueReplicant I never said Mexican is it’s own “race”. But ethnically what makes up a Mexican? Remember, this is Ethnically. It’s the mix of indigenous native Mexican (also called, “Mexican Indian”) plus Spanish. A person who is, say 100% Chinese from both sides (mother & father), but is born in Mexico is still 100% Chinese, ethnically! It’s the same with a person like Marilyn Monroe whose mother was born in Mexico, BUT was white from both mother’s side and her father’s side. She’s still 100% white. And Marilyn’s biological father was proven to be white as well, per a DNA test in 2022. Her mother’s nationality is Mexican by BIRTH ONLY. Nationality just means you were born in a particular nation, but it does NOT mean you are necessarily ethnically that particular people group that is common in that nation. You were just born there, that is all that the word, “nationality” means.
This rumor is an example of people being too lazy to google. Marylin had a connection to/interest in mexico due to being born and raised in LA and the circumstances of her mother's birth. But she is about as Mexican as Meghan McCain is Panamanian. Her bio has a lot of things that make her reatable to people of all backgrounds (no father, raised in foster care, abuse, married young, fertility issues, depression) without making things up.
All I know is that I am an American Mexican aka a Chicano . Born and raised in the USA , My parents came from Mexico around 1949. They came the legal way ! Cool video . Thanks
Her mother was Mexican(not ethnic), and there was a rumor at the time that her biological father was ethnic Mexican. She was bilingual, so probably who knows 🤷♂️
Yes but Salma Hayek is actually Mexican. Her family moved to Mexico, became citizens - and not just for one generation either. She’s Mexican of Spanish and Lebanese heritage. Marilyn is not. Her mom was born while her white american parents had a work contract with the railroad. When it was over , they moved back. They’re not Mexican like Selma - ethnically or nationally
@@basicallyno1722 first and foremost Selma Heyek maternal grandparents came from Spain and likely were political refugees who like some Spaniards who fled the Franco regime. In fact Mexico was just one of many destinations that political dissidents fled to (The US nor being one).
You bring up a good point Danielle. A lot of my cousins were born in Mexico and crossed the border into Arizona. But just because they were of Mexican birth doesnt necessarily mean their ancestry goes back there. Their parents could have come from another country like Portugal, Spain, Brazil and just hapened to be born in Mexico.
Perhaps you are thinking of Linda Darnell. They changed her name trying to brand her as Spanish but she was mixed race. Very beautiful woman. Pin up girsl: Betty Grable, Veronica Lake, Yvonne DeCarlo
@@lovingit1538 I still think you don't think,you say that you don't care about what I think yet you are here thinking in answer again what I thought about your thinking.
Maybe in the US we're all looking for lost stories and trying to reconnect it all, and what we don't realise is that sometimes learning someone is mostly English and Scottish or whatever is also part of that re-connection. Thanks for another great video. :)
This video is honestly SAD .. Marilyn was full European no Mexican dna whatsoever lol her parents just lived there because the economy got really bad y’all will cling on to anything LOL 😂
You may have gone over it before, but there’s lots of speculation that Varina Davis, wife of Jefferson Davis was mulatto. The pictures of her are pretty telling to my eye. Another good one Danielle
To be clear,skin color has nothing to do with nationality. Marilyn Monroe was Mexican-American since one of her parents was full Mexican (meaning born in Mexico). End of story thank me if you care that much😂
No, her mother was mexican by chance, but never was raised in a mexican environment(not schooling in México, not a mexican or hispanic nanny), even if his grand father stayed longer working in México it's not sure than his kids would being imbued in mexican culture, having Eagle Pass on the other side of the Rio Grande or Bravo depending or which side are you seeing it. P.S. mexican in México it's the nationality, but mexican in the US it's an etnicity, like cuban from Cuba and cuban from Miami or any other place in the USA, and hispanic or latino is a umbrella term for all the people of Latinoamerican ascent regardless of country of origin, and time living in the states.
@@ensabahnur7657Her grandfather got a job in Mexico and her mother was born there but he went back to California soon after. She was not raised in Mexico.
(Why do they call the current Pope our first Hispanic Pope? He was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and his nationality is Argentine (with Vatican citizenship). He is the son of Italian immigrants in Argentina. Why isn't he, classified as Italian instead of Argentinan? He speaks both Italian and Spanish, among other languages, if I'm not mistaken. The current Pope, Pope Francis, is classified as Argentinian because he was born and raised in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and his nationality is Argentine. Although his parents were Italian immigrants, and he has a strong connection to Italian culture and language, national identity typically follows the country of birth and upbringing. Thus, despite his Italian heritage, he is considered Argentinian by nationality. Additionally, his role as Pope also includes Vatican citizenship.)
The term Hispanic denotes an individual with a cultural relationship with Spain. David Beckham who is British can rightly be called Hispanic because of his relationship with Spain going back to his Real Madrid days
@@muddyhotdog4103as an indigenous it’s pretty strange how ppl gave this idea that you must be mixed with us to be considered a true mxcn or a real latino when we indigenous predate mx & the Latino concept is French😅 and our ethnicity is our tribe for example ethnically seri, maya, Zapotec, etc & ofc our nationality is mx
Absolutely not she wasn’t Mexican. Her mom was born there while her dad relocated temporarily for work. You don’t “become” the country of your birth because you were born on a business trip, vacation or while your country of origins was out colonizing the area. British people colonizing India aren’t “Indians” because they were born there whole there father was out there campaigning with the British Royal Navy.
Marilyn Monroe was as American as Apple Pie… She was American. But on a deeper level, she was European which to me is synomous with being Whyte. And on the deepest level she was an American s*x symbol; most likely the greatest of all time….
Monroe can claim Mexican on the basis of Mexico's nationality law. One need not born or live in Mexico just as Mitt Romney can claim Mexican nationality on the basis that his dad was born in Mexico.
Lupita Nyong'o is a Kenyan and Mexican actress who was born in Mexico City, Mexico to Kenyan parents (Kenyan by citizenship and African ancestry). I would posit that very few, if any people would call her a Latina, since she is phenotypically (and genetically) African. This is in spite of the fact that she was born in Mexico and holds Kenyan AND Mexican citizenship. Extrapolate to your heart's content.
Her mom had Mexican nationality but ethnically I don't think her mom was a mestiza. Real Mexicans didn't name their daughters Gladys back then and didn't originate from mid-America USA states.
My ancestry from my mom's mom side is Mexican, but my grandma was born in the Philippines and my mom is also born in the Philippines. My great grandpa may have been born in Mexico which became a part of Texas. I was also born in the Philippines, but I was raised in Los Angeles and moved to Texas.
So basically she wasn't Mexican @ all...Her mom was just born there through two so called white parents from the Midwest but she never was a citizen of Mexico...I don't understand Mexicans obsession with either being or being close to pale skin Europeans but more power to yall.
@@bastian9693Some are only European entirely, so why do you deem it necessary for them to claim Indigenous. The Mestizo’s exist and are happy to tell you they are half “indio”. If Marilyn was Mexican, she was definitely 100% European.
@@azborderlands The Olmecs were African in appearance & origin, I know that much… It’s just funny how Eurocentric “scholars” of Mexican history fear touching on the ancient African/ black/indigenous foundation of that religion, prior to European colonialism… The Mexican history is just as white washed as so called black history is in the USA.
@@mdc3148 Monroes mothers both parents are 100% americans with 0% hispanic background heritage. Plus they only lived there for only a couple of years by the US-mexican border.
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Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Most Mexican are of Mix ancestry European and native people of America because Mexico was the largest colony of Spain in the Americas, named then La Nueva España.
Marilyn Monroe's mother was Mexican at birth legally, according to the Mexican constitution. Just like the United States Constitution, the Mexican constitution also observes that the children of Mexican parents are Mexican.
Of course, this requires the child to submit a request for citizenship. So Marilyn Monroe's was legally Mexican of USA descent. Legally, Marilyn Marilyn was a United States citizen but was also legally a Mexican citizen. Both countries, the USA and Mexico, allow dual citizenship.
In conclusion, the answer was legally yes.
Now, your reasoning about ancestry, in the USA as well as in Mexico there are people that came from different ancestry, so the fact that Marilyn Monroe's mother was of European decent had nothing to do with her being a Mexican national by birth right. Culture has nothing to do with nationality and all to do with identity. You could be a Mexican citizen or USA citizen and be of any culture.
As a Mexican she not Mexican or her mom she just happen to be born there with non Mexican parents simple
Mexicans are not latinos, they are ameridians hispanics
Marilyn loved Mexican food and culture when she was in ENSENADA she loved a tile she saw so she purchased it for her house she called her house her little Mexican Paradise.
Lynda Carter who played Wonder woman back in the 70's has Mexican ancestry
So does Linda Ronstadt.
@@neerajanaghosh4464 So does Joan Baez.
@@sr2291 Yes!
Yes,Lynda Carter's Mother Is Very Brown Skinned And Is Completely Indigenous (Indian) Or Predominantly Anyway. Lynda Carter Is Phenotypically White Passing From Her Father Who Is Or Was Of English And Irish Descent.
@@gregoryjones9546 I grew up with girl with White Blonde hair, blue eyes and pink skin. She burned in the sun. I found out later when doing her genealogy her paternal Grandfather reported that he was Indian on his military record. More research showed that she was a descendant of Pocahontas father. She took on her mothers Irish ancestry.
Whether people like it or not, Mexico and the US will forever be tied together no matter what.
The Mexican Constitution states that Mexican nationals by birth are:
people born on Mexican territory regardless of their parent's nationality.
people born abroad to at least one parent who is a national of México.
people born on Mexican vessels or aircraft that are either for war or merchant.
Huh im too dumb to understand that 😭
@@cariounderstood9998 Under the mexican constitution Marilyn Monroe’s mom would be mexican so Marilyn could have mexican citizenship if she wanted even if she didn’t speak spanish of have any cultural ties to mexico
Mexican reduced to a mere nationality, tradition or culture is a racist colonial construct invented by the european invaders and their descendants in their attempt to justify colonialism, whitewashing and the continued erasure and ethnic cleansing against the real mexican natives and their native root.
Foreigners cant "become" mexican as if mexican were fashion, a fad, a costumer or as if it were something cheap
Full-bloods and socalled mestizos are mexican by their native blood, not by naturalization, cultural adoption, or a piece of paper
@@carlosocelotl7787yes, her mom up to 18 years old. If she didn't declare Mexican at 18 she lost it same as US citizenship but at 23 if you happen to be in the position of having been born in Mexico to a US citizen parent.
@FernandoTRA Nop in the Mexican costitution article 37 said "The Mexican nationality by birth shall never be revoked " If Marilyn Monroe's mom wanted the Mexican nationality, she could have it be cause it was her constitutional birth right, Marilyn could asked for the the nationality for her mom side even if her mom didn't asked the Mexican nationality
No matter her family heritage, Marilyn was so desperate to forget her past that she lost her identity in the process, driving her mad.
Good point pal
Her given name is norwegian, her paternal lineage stems from british captains, and her mothers name (Hogan) is a dutch captains lineage.
All in all, she's best descriped as the captains daugter.
A north sea mermaid.
And just to add to the "Mortensen" name,- both dutch and british ships had a significant amount of norwegian sailors on them, and the docks of new york were riddled by norwegians.
even though she's only norwegian by name, there's a high chance of there being a norwegian sailor somewhere in the line due to her lineages Hogan, Monroe and Gifford all being captains lineages.
@@fredriks5090 Mexican northern states has white Mexicans more white people in the U.S.
If you study deeper...MK ultra may have played a part in her "mentality".....
As a Mexican, I do not think she can be considered Latino/hispanic, because her roots never sprouted in Mexico, but it seems like she had an appreciation for our country ❤
I someone who is a dual citizen I disagree with you. I wasn't born in the US but that doesn't me any less American just as my nephews and nieces who were born in the US but have a dad that is of Caribbean nationality ...them being born the US doesn't make them any less Caribbean because they weren't.
@@gloriathomas3245 Your family’s roots sprouted here and in the Caribbean…that’s good! Unfortunately, to some, “Citizenship” is just a piece of paper or what they believe to be a “security blanket”…If you Love this country, if you contribute to this country , if you’re proud of living in this country, if you honor & believe that your goals & dreams are possible in this country, that’s what a true Citizen of this country should feel, in my humble opinión. Marilyn had an appreciation for Mexico, nothing more…and yes, you can Love two countries at the same, like you love your Children, Nephews, or parents…I’m sure you Love them both! 👍😊
Per Mexican law, a person born in Mexican land is Mexican. This is from the ancient legal concept of ius solis. I think Mexican law recognizes up to three generations back. You may not be culturally Mexican, but by sheer fact of being born in Mexico, makes you Mexican.
@@dramirezg70 that goes with me saying that to some, Citizenship is just a piece of paper…
@@bebaramz9914 it's not just a piece of paper, it grants you the rights and privileges of that country. So for example, if you were to become Mexican by birth or adoption, you'd be entitled to Universal healthcare, free education and a pension at retirement age.
Mitt Romney's dad was also born in Mexico.
That’s correct!
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I fucking hate being Mexican white people are so weird around them it will never be addressed and will always exist
Yes, his family moved down to Mexico from the USA so they could keep practicing polygamy.
Lots of WHITES in Mexico lol that's a good thing actually
Mexican is a nationality not an ethnicity you can be any race and still be Mexican
This: Lupita Nongo, Danny Trejo, Guilhermo del Toro, Yalitza Aparício. All mexican, all very different from one another.
@@wellersonoliveira5334 but a huge ammount of Mexican look alike too
@@wellersonoliveira5334Well recent African immigrants isn’t a typical race in Mexico, but yeah. Any race can be born in Mexico. Mexico is more of a melting pot than the USA.
rightly so... mexicans are of 4 different ethnic groups: Spanish descent, Indegeniuos, black, mixed... Gringoes are ignorant of thid true fact..
@@ross23233not really! Mexico gots a big genetic diversity. Unlike Asian and Anglos who look very similar even Africans
Ted Williams was half Mexican. He said he had to hide his ancestry because he wouldn’t had been able to play baseball in the majors since it wasn’t integrated yet.
True I commmented the same thing
Only blacks were banned. Stop the nonsense.
Had to hide his ancestry, not becouse he was ashamed but for all the political and race B.S. in U.S.
Wikipedia makes him out to be a mixed bag of just about everything, not half of Mexico ancestry. His wikipedia picture looks what Americans call Hispanic to some degree, not really European.
Linda Ronstadt, Lynda Carter and Selena Gomez are Mexican-American
Also, the Lennon sisters
I don't know about Mexican Americans, but either way the line for Selena Gomez would be Texan. Which lot of Texans are Mexican-American back when Texas was a part of Mexico or independent.
Like for instance, Eva Longoria her family's been in Texas since before Texas was even a state.
I am convinced that's one of the reasons why a lot of Texans identify themselves first as Texans and second as Americans 😂
@@KCH55 Texan (s) is a state and Mexican is an ethnicity. Brown and lovely.
@@guadalupechavarria1227 Mexico is a nation state, 'Brown' they have many different ethnicities within Mexico. And many people identify with different things. Well, most Mexicans are mixed with indigenous and Spanish descent.
* Also, you didn't understand why I pointed out that Texas was a part of Mexico at one point in time, I'm not saying it's not a state.
I was merely pointing out reasons why a lot of Texans identify as Texan first.
@@KCH55 Not me. I know my history. Mexican-American am I 🇺🇸🇲🇽
California has Spanish style influence from its history. Many of the wealthy homes are Spanish style with tile roofs. Spanish missions all over the state. It's just something you grow up with if you were born there.
One minor detail is that California was Mexico before conquest.
@JL-wg9ww Yes, the Spanish had been there since the mid 1550's. Research the Californios and what happened to them.
@@sr2291 Mexican indigenous roamed all California before Spanish.
The southwest was Native/Mexican/Spanish land.
@newvilla8115 Native, then Spanish came in and screwed them over then Whites came in and screwed them both over.
Heres the thing about latin america skin tone/ethnicity, we come in many different types. Here in Brazil, theres 5 diferrent types of legally reconized skin tones. White= for very pale skin tone, akin to Iberians, in our case, the portuguese. And heres its where it gets interesting, "brown" mean 3 different types of non white skin tones, wich include; mamluks= or light brown, my type of skin tone, wich was originally a mix of native american/ iberian
Mulato= Iberian plus african ancestry, a little bit darker.
Cafuzo= Native American and african ancestry. Almost dark skin, but not fully.
And then you have dark skin black. I know some people like to use light skin black to refer to people like me, and the whole thing is just complex, but yeah, for the IBGE census, its still how it is.
There's no such thing as Latin American skin-tone Lionel Messi and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, Alexis Mac Allister and even Anya Taylor Joy are Euro-Argentines. Does that make them less Latino?
@@gloriathomas3245 Anya Taylor is a Hermana? Haha nice to know ❤️
And how many people lie on the census?
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I met a White woman that was born in Japan, Okinawa at a Military base that her Father, an American was stationed at. She was complaining that she always had trouble getting around because they would always call her Japanese because of her Birth Certificate. She had no Japanese ethnicity or any connection to Japan other than she was born in a Military hospital there. I understood her plight very well. She had no problem with the Japanese. She had Problems Stateside. Go figure.
This is mostly the case here with her mother - nothing to do with being Mexican other than being born there, which makes it even further for Marilyn to be claimed as having any Mexican in her - because she doesn't.
It’s a similar situation for sure but ultimately Mex is a “new world” country and not homogenous. While Japan is old world & 99% homogenous
I think that happens in lot of places. What is also interesting is that people who are born in a country not their parents, and die in another country not their parents, are referred to by their parents ancestry. Even if they are wholly of that ethnicity, spending so much time in foreign countries should have some effect to make them not so native in their parents country. For example Nigel Bruce and Basil Rathbone, old time actors. One was born in Baja, Mexico, died in the USA, the other born in South Africa, died in the USA yet they played quintessially British people.
Daniel you're finding some truly intriguing topics to discuss Sista!🙏💖💯📠🐢
Mexican is not a race.
Mexican refers to a nationality or a cultural identity associated with Mexico.
So she could be Mexican, you could be Mexican, lupita the actress is a Mexican! , ( got it?)
Mexico is a multi-ethnic and diverse country with a population that includes people of various racial backgrounds, including Indigenous Mexican (Amerindian),
European, African, and Asian ancestry, among others.
Therefore, while someone can be Mexican in terms of nationality or cultural identity, their race would be categorized based on their specific ancestry or ethnic background.
Notwithstanding ,
The term Hispanic or Latino generally refers to heritage rather than race.
Hispanic/Latino identity is rooted in cultural and linguistic heritage linked to Spanish-speaking countries or cultures of Latin America.
Race, on the other hand, refers to categories based on physical characteristics such as skin color, facial features, and hair texture.
In the United States, individuals of Hispanic/Latino origin can belong to any racial group (e.g., White, Black, Asian, Indigenous) because Hispanic/Latino identity is not synonymous with race.
Therefore, Hispanic/Latino is not considered a race but rather a heritage designation that can encompass individuals from various racial backgrounds.
Tell that to the idiots on TH-cam who do dna tests and are surprised Mexico is listed as their ethnicity. Hispanic means Spanish not some New World country that speaks a form of Spanish.
I don’t think that makes Marilyn Monroe Mexican. There are a lot of celebrities that have lived in Mexico that are not Mexican, Ben Affleck is one of them.
I think Uma Thurman too. It was her mom that was born in Mexico but was German and Swede.
@@asturiasceltic3183 Lupita Nyongo’o, she is Kenyan but she was born in Mexico
If she was brown, would you think differently?
@@elcondedelafere8751 it’s not about her being brown or white. There are a lot of white Mexicans, the difference is, they are actually Mexican. I consider Lupita Nyongo’o (who is Kenyan) to be more Mexican than Marilyn’s mom because she was born there and lived there for a few years. Marilyn’s mom’s family is not Mexican. They are from the US. She was just born there and came straight back to the US and never went back there again. There are a lot of people, whose family is not Mexican who were just born in Mexico. It happens all the time.
@@elcondedelafere8751 it’s not about her being brown or white. There are a lot of white Mexicans, the difference is, they are actually Mexican; born and raised, their family is from Mexico. I consider Lupita Nyongo’o (who is Kenyan) to be more Mexican than Marilyn’s mom because she was born there and lived there for a few years. Marilyn’s mom’s family is not Mexican. They are from the US. She was just born there and came straight back to the US and never went back there again. There are a lot of people, whose family is not Mexican who were just born in Mexico. It happens all the time.
Marilyn Monroe was born in the US, she’s American. Her mother was born in Mexico, to American parents, so her mother is Mexican by nationality, not by culture. Now, Rita Hayworth was of Spanish descent because her father was from Spain, her mother was American.
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Granparends of Marilyn only worked in México for a times, the reasson Marilyn's Mother born in México.
Gladys Baker would not have Mexican citizenship by deafult: her parents were Americans abroad giving her American citizenship - I doubt she would have been given Mexican citizenship unless she was an orphan or her parents decided to stay in Mexico.
Her mother was American by virtue of her parents. I have dual nationality, and my children can have Australian nationality if I register them at the Australian consulate, it doesn't matter where they are born.
Marilyn was of 100% European descent. In fact it's been stated in many biographies that she was a descendant of one of the Mayflower settlers. John Alden and Priscilla Mullins to be exact ! English, Irish, Scottish and some remote Scandinavian DNA.
the problem is in the U.S. they dont tell the whole story especially if they dont want to hear that
100% European descent. her mother was born in Mexico, best go back to the mayflower drawing board, and for your information there is many white and rubio Mexicans in Mexico, whole towns, lots of ancestry but they all have in common they dont call themselves a white Mexican, just a Mexican, there not into the color code crap. Gladys Pearl Monroe (May 27, 1902 - March 11, 1984), also known as Gladys Pearl Monroe Baker Mortensen Eley, was the mother of American actress Marilyn Monroe (born Norma Jeane Mortenson). Born in Mexico, Baker grew up in the Los Angeles metro area. Her father died in 1909 after suffering from mental illness and alcoholism. (Wikipedia) google it
About 20% of Mexicans are 100% European descent.
Okay even if she's of 100% european descent she's still of mexican descent cause mexican is not a race any race can be mexican also you mentioned mayflower settlers well not to burst you're bubble but some mexicans especially northern and those with ancestry from the southwest u.s / texas are descendants of the mayflower since some anglos that came to the southwest u.s / texas and northern mexico were descents of mayflower settlers
Mullins! There was a man on the Mayflower that came to North American with lots of shoes, very usually in the wilderness of America. His name was Mullins.
"Ain't nobody pure in this town"....words of black woman from Georgia I worked with
This is just like the story of Joaquin Phoenix who was born & raised in 🇵🇷 Puerto Rico🇵🇷 but refuses to say that he is Puerto Rican.
I didn’t know that! I’m going to read up , thanks
It is sad to realize that for some people, being labeled as Latino can still be perceived as a sign of lower status, in USA, rather than being considered "royal" or "first class." It would be interesting to create videos exploring why some famous Latinos in the closet choose not to embrace their country of birth or their parents' or grandparents' countries.
Regarding Joaquin Phoenix, I get it why he does not identify as Puerto Rican: his ancestry is not Puerto Rican and his upbringing/culture is not Puerto Rican. For all practical purposes, being born in Puerto Rico is just a biographical footnote that did not imprint who he is.
His parents were in a religious cult ("Children of God") and settled in Puerto Rico as missionaries. There was nothing Puerto Rican in them; they were there, at best, to convert Puerto Ricans, not to be immersed in Puerto Rican culture. They were like Mormon missionaries, but nuttier.
They resettled in Florida when Joaquin was 3. Giving his young age when he left and the relative insularity of any cult (even if with missionary intents), it is a stretch to say Joaquin Phoenix was "raised in Puerto Rico".
Culturally he may not feel PR
@@GazilionPTi agree
I heard Britney Spears is a distant cousin of Marilyn Monroe and I can see that, actually. They have similar features. Especially if you look at Marilyn when she was just Norma Jean.
5:42 I can see it A LOT there.. It's her eye spacing, wide eyes, soft small oval face shape, and the short, chubbyish nose.
But Marilyn also had work done, so we need to consider that too.
lol no they’re not. That’s never been substantiated. It’s a story that floated around because they look similar.
There’s a photo of her dressed in a Mexican dress! You didn’t include it
I know the photo you're referring to as I have a copy of it. That photo and the dress she's wearing is from a movie she was in called Bus Stop.
@@JulyMoon82 Thanks for the info 👍🏼
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The great baseball player Ted Williams was Mexican.
Half
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Why is that even mentioned? Nobody is 100% pure anything. Medieval alliances were made by marriages, if a British person and Spanish person married each other, they were seen as being British and being Spanish.
Mexicans are half white (their Spanish blood) and half Native. So that would make Ted 75% white. It showed
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I don’t think they had 23 and me back then 😉
@@RadRat1138yes indeed or would be 85% European like I am and the rest Indigenous-Mexican
One famous actress, who is Mexican or part Mexican is Raquel Welch. Other actresses with partial Hispanic heritage include Linda, Carter of wonder, woman, and Catherine Bach of Dukes of Hazzard.
Raquel was half Bolivian.
Rita hayworth
Raquel Welch’s father was from Bolivia, not Mexico.
Raquel welch is half Bolivia
@@michaelrochester48 Raquel dad was Bolivian, no Mexican!! You know there are so many different countries in Mexican America, I meant Latin America ....
By Mexican law any child born from a Mexican parent is Mexican indeed.
Gladly Baker wasn’t Mexican though….she has American parents who went there temporarily for work. It doesn’t make Marilyn Mexican. Gladys didn’t get Mexican citizenship and ended up coming back to the states when her parents stopped working for the railway.
@@basicallyno1722bingo I don't know why these people keep saying she was Mexican!
@@basicallyno1722If she was born in Mexico 😂 she was born a Mexican. And any Mexican national children are born Mexican. Apparently back then you had to choose one nationality. These days you can pass Mexican citizenship down forever in the family.
that became in 1998
Most countries have laws like that. My children have the citizenship of the country I was born in, but they had to prove their claims. Even I had to prove myself with my birth certificate, my parent's birth certificates and their marriage certificate.
It matters what part of the US her family came from. Everybody forgets that the Southwest American states were still part of Mexico up until the mid 1800's. I don't think Marilyn Monroe was Mexican. Linda Carter (Wonder Woman) however did have a Mexican-American mother. As far as America, the whole continent is America and that is the way it is seen outside the US. If you go overseas and you say that you are from America, a lot of people over there will ask you: North, Central, or South America?
Yes! My great uncles were born before 1918 and are labeled “Mexican” on their birth certificate. However they are half Pueblo-Native and Spanish. Their younger brother (My grandfather) was born in 1924 and has American in his birth certificate. The border areas, especially when you’re native/indigenous to that area, are veeery ambiguous and fraught with so much political strife.
As usual, I’m loving the comments.
hi Danielle louis CK is Mexican born in Mexico to a Mexican father of Russian decent with an American mother
The real Americans are the brown people of Mexico, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc.
Marilynn's mother was born in Mexico
CK Father has Eastern European Jew origin
I’ve always loved her and knowing that she appreciated my culture makes me love her more ❤❤❤❤❤
Thomas Edison, is Mexican too. You might want to do a video on that. He was actually born in Mexico, though.
My Parents were born in USA, I was born in Mexico. I had to take an oath of Allegiance to the Country that I wanted to claim when I was Eighteen. I chose USA. Just in time for the Viet Nam War.
@@WilliamEdmondson258 alot of Mormons were. They'd live in Mexico then move to USA texas
Well, America does not like dual nationality. If you had an Australian parent like Mia Farrow, that parent could register you as Australian, I don' think the USA could do anything about that.
Hispanic/Latino are not a race. It is a culture identity and linguistic Identity.
Exactly! Our Lands-North, Central & South America & Carribian Islands were all minding our business speaking in our Tribal Tongues until the Eurotrash did what they did none of us spoke English, Spanish or French until then extremely few people on the Planet know how to speak Latin or know what that's even about but that's how strong the indoctrination & brainwashing's been! We're all Tribal Clans Cherokee, Taino, Mayan, Blackfoot, Boriqua, Quinnipiac, Pequot, Choctaw, etc!🙏💖💯📠🐢
right so,, true,,,
Hispanic is a word made up by the census bureau
So who is HIspanic/Latino?
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Great video, as always! I love your channel. 😅
Raquel Welch was the daughter of an an Bolivian engineer, Scientist. Then the family decided to move to the US for a job postion for her father.
I thought it was Chile, thanks for the correction.
@@Ponto-zv9vf Sorry my mistake, her father was a Bolivian engineer, from La Paz Bolivia.
"She bought a sweater in Mexico - A-ha! She must be Mexican!"
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Sometimes I wonder how some people's brains work...
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Its just like a lot of black people wanting to be anything other than black....
Seriously!
She was born in mexjco
Linda Christian was born in Mexico, but I think her ancestry was mixed European as in German and something else. An Opera singer of Spanish origin was born in Mexico, one of the three tenors, Domingo?
She could be mexican, there are "white" mexicans too. Hell, even native american groups have different skin tones, look at most groups from north america, and most from Brazil, none of them are "white" but indigenous groups from Brazil tend to be darker.
Native Americans are different races. Inuits are genetically different from the South American tribes.
I agree. Even the Mayans and Aztecs look like a much different race than the North American tribes like the Sioux and Choctaw
@@VermontFootballBetterNorth American indigenous tribes like the Comanche, Shoshone, and Hopi, etc actually are genetically and linguistically related to Aztecs. Lots of North American tribes located in the northwest, west, and southwest of the US historically spoke Uto-Aztecan languages. The Numic (most northern) branch of the Aztecan language family.
She was and is Jewish not white or Mexican
There are definitely white Brazilians too
Danielle, I'm a huge fan of your channel and videos, this one on Marilyn Monroe is no exception. I did want to point out that Monroe's boyfriend, Roberto Bolanos, pronounced his last name as "Bo-LAHN-yos", not "Bo-LAHN-os", as you pronounced it. keep up your great work. I hope that in future videos on Mexican identity, you include the significant though often overlooked African, Asian, and western European admixtures in Mexican society, how that defines Mexican (and Latin American) identity. It's an issue many Latinos are facing today. Thank you for ALL of you work!
Thank you! It’s been 20 years since I took Spanish in college 🥵
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no problema 🙂
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Rita Hayworth had Spanish heritage but from Spain itself.
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This is the same case with Martin Sheen, Salma Hayek and Gloria Estefan...all are the children or grandchildren of Spaniards. Ayou can very much tell that Gloria Estefan is Spanish because she speak with a more northern Spanish dialect, the same way way F1 driver Fernando Alonso who is from northern Spain also speak.
@@gloriathomas3245 Interesting. I thought Gloria was 100% Cuban.
What do you think Mexican heritage is? The Spaniards conquered Mexico, so after making lots of babies, (mestizos) Mexicans are of Spanish decent. Also, there are many Mexicans who are almost fully Spanish because their ancestors didnt mix with the native people.
@gloriathomas Gloria’s accent is definitely Cuban, not Spanish.
Was Marilyn Monroe ethnically Mexican, NO. Was Marilyn Monroe culturally Mexican, YES. She could speak Spanish fluently, she did, decorate her home in Mexican art style, and she would wear traditional Mexican dress, at her home.
No she was ethnically Mexican as well. There is a lot hidden about her.
@@jorndoff2002 she was hija de la chacha, lol
Nationality is NOT your ethnicity or race
@@jorndoff2002Mexican is not a race or ethnicity but nationality
@@ross23233👍
Digging the MOOG in the background!
If Mexico had birthright citizenship when Marilyn mom was born she could have gotten dual citizenship. but since she didn't I wouldn't say she was Mexican.
The USA does not like dual nationality. Her mother would have to revoke her Mexican nationality to be American but of course, that's if anyone knew about it.
Rita Hayworth’s father European Spaniard , changed name to moms so they ( American public)wouldn’t think she was Mexican
I wonder. Was the old man really Spanish European? Look at her before she had her Hispanic hairline lifted, she doesn't look European but some sort of Latina.
I think another interesting subject to talk about would be Marilyn’s interactions with black men especially Sammy Davis JR.
Eww
She also stood up for and was friends with Dorothy Dandrige.
@@evildork6805 why is that Eww? 🤨
You mean she treated them like humans?
Great video! Thank you for answering the questions about mom that have been floating around for a long time. No her mom wasn't Mexican, since her parents were U.S. Citizens but this adds another exotic layer to all Things Marilyn that are just fascinating right? Such a talented, beautiful woman, whose life ended too soon, but I still chose to see her as.an overcomer. She survived so much! Great research and pictures.
Her mother was of European descent, just happened to be born in Mexico, so, no, Marilyn was not of Mexican heritage.
What about the boxer canelo Álvarez?
@@albierodriguez9797 May I ask what about Canelo? He is mestizo born in Mexico..His brother looks Mestizo. And to be honest with you, you can tell by Canelo's slanted eyes he is mestizo.
@@asturiasceltic3183 does that mean he’s not of European descent? His phenotype is very “European”. The Sami people in Northern Europe have slanted eyes also, are they not European?
@@albierodriguez9797pheno and genotype is totally different. Canelo’s whole family looks mestizo. He just happens to have paler skin
@@albierodriguez9797 in truth Canelo is mestizo regardless of what he looks like. His DNA will not be 100% European like many Europeans are. You can easily tell by looking at his brother. I even think Canelo probably wore a belt that said mestizo at one of his fights. Also many of those North Europeans with slanted eyes are mixed with mongols but from many many many thousands and thousands of years ago unlike Canelo who' who probably has recent amerindian heritage from the last 200 years. They are Europeans with Asian history from thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Mestizos like Canelo are a hybrid race not European regardless of their hair color, eyes and features. Someone like Tom Petty who was blonde hair and blue eyed said he was native American yet he looked as North European as you can get . He knew what he was and he didn't try to deceive anyone that he was a full European person.
Would not surprise me, lived in Mexico for 47 years
Britney Spears looks like her. Apparently they have a distant common ancestor. Britney is English and Maltese apparently
I believe what matters, is ancestral inheritance, DNA, Genetics. Where her white mother was born is of no consequence in terms of whether Marilyn Monroe can be considered Mexican or Latina.
I do know from my own personal childhood experience, that getting as far away from being called a dirty Mexican was my top priority here in America. I believe many Mexicans have taken that approach. Changing one's name is a version of that effort, if color tone permits it.
I totally agree with you.
Do Linda Carter next!
You look amazing! Skin is glowing
No she was not. Her mother was born there. Marilyn was born in California. But she has strong ties to Mexico even going there to find decorative objects to personalize her new home. She loved Mexico. She also spoke Spanish. All a well kept secret. But no.. she was not Mexican
Hi Danielle , You really tried very hard to make sure she can’t be a Mexican decent or related at all , good job !!!
Very interesting! It is very possible that one or both her parents carried DNA from Celtic Spanish bloodlines.
During the Crusade Pilgrimages the night returned to Northern Europe with exotic wives. The Celts and Goths were always on the move!
Great research, thought provoking!
There are many Mexicans with the Spanish celts and aren’t necessarily white European looking.
Celtic Spaniards have pointier, and longer faces and much bigger noses and born with dark hair...Usually the eyes are pin pointy and deep or close set.. Think Emilio Estevez
@@azborderlands Spaniard Celts look very European especially Asturias and Galicia. My Dad looked like a Swede. Many said he looked like Emilio Estevez, which is a typical face in the North west celtic regions. His sisters were red heads with freckles. Even the dark haired ones look like South Germans.. If they are celtic, they look European. I think you are mixing them up with the Andulucians that most Mexicans came from.
@@asturiasceltic3183what about the Tartesso’s. You do realise that the reason many mestizos have bronze skin is because of the native population in Mexico prior to colonization don’t you?
I heard a man say how technically Italians, romanians, french, spaniards, Portuguese are all of latin hertiage, making them latino. Anything derived from latin group.
On my own i did see asian mexians born amd raised in mexico. They speak spanish and feel mexican. I believe they would confuse people in the US.
Interesting video. Thank you
In Wales you can meet Chinese Welsh too.
I didn't know she was not a natural blonde.
I think some folks in the comments may have a hard time grasping that race may not be significant enough to mixed race and creole, this is why we focus on heritage and culture because that is the definition. If you can look beyond the binary American racial system, you can see how interwoven certain communities are, creating a NEW community including miscegenation that does not allow for pure racial identification also invalidating “you look…” because it simply is not significant to us.
Being from New Orleans, and knowing what the proverbial "one-drop" looks like, I've always thought of her as passé blanc in the way she phenotypically presented before the Hollywood machine changed her look, in particular when I found out her father's side is unknown to the outside world (and I believe, to her). For some of us, it's not her mother's ancestry that makes us question her whiteness, but her dad's😗🤭
So you think she’s black instead of Mexican?
I can see that actually..
@@azborderlands Those categories aren't mutually exclusive as the majority of Africans were trafficked south of the border. Only 10% of the total population were actually enslaved in what we now consider US borders. The other 90% went to the Caribbean, Mexico and everything below😗
@@Chitimacha1025 the majority of African people were not in Mexico for enslavement. Sadly, Mexico in particular enslaved the majority of their own indigenous population.. the US and South America had much more African slaves.
she looks european, stop being desperate my boy lol you people are getting out of hand claiming very european phenotypes now LMAO
Marilyn's nationality is American because she was born in the United States. Her ethnicity reflects her parents' heritage. Her mother's nationality is Mexican because she was born in Mexico, though her ethnicity also reflects her parents' heritage.
Ethnicity and nationality are not the same. One is centered on genetic makeup and the other citizenship.
Nationality: Place of citizenship/birth.
Ethnicity: Ancestral lineage via DNA.
Cultural heritage: Country/cultural roots.
Latino is a cultural identifier that is utilized in the US context. It's not racial/ethnic. Latinos can be any racial or ethnic groups.
Mexico is a multiracial country just like the US- like every country throughout the Americas. Mexican is actually a nationality, *not* ethnicity. Mexican- Just like American can be of any ethnic background.
Most Mexican citizens are actually of Indigenous European backgrounds. And the rest of the country is comprised of European, African, Asian, Indigenous ancestry, etc.
Salma Hayek is Mexican, but her ancestry is Spanish & Lebanese.
Lupita Ngyongo is Mexican-Kenyan of Kenyan ancestry.
Ironically the Mexican government abolished racial data collection as a means of creating more of a unifying national identity, but anti Blackness and anti Native discrimination and anti Asian is widespread in Mexico. Since they don't have data, anti discrimination workers work with what they have to fight discrimination, but it's hard to fight racism bc racial disparities are not well measured.
Good morning neighbor, from Copperhill Tn. 😊😊😊😊😊
Hey there!
My father was born in the Philippines to American parents. He grew up in the Philippines. He had dual citizenship. His family moved back to the USA when he was 17. When he was 18 he had to choose between Philippine and US citizenship. He chose US citizenship.
He went to American school in the Philippines. I don't think many people would consider him Filipino. He did pick up some of the culture but is still culturally mostly American. He only speaks English fluently.
@@johnnyearp52 America is a Nationality not a Race
@@estebangarcia747 Did I mention race? I am talking about culture and ethnicity.
I think it's interesting to look at celebrities from the past who may have covered their heritage to make it in the industry.
Ricardo Montalban didn't. Dolores Del Rio didn't. Lupe Velas didn't. Lots of Mexico or Cuban born actors had no problems in Hollywood.
Love your channel. But I love the stories about your family history the most. The videos with professors and fellow genealogy detectives run a close second. Btw I haven't received any emails from you lately. Are you still sending those out?
I am behind! I am also working on some family videos😊 thank you so much. Made my day
Her mother was mexican born from american (Anglo-saxon) parents so that makes Marylin Monroe’s a mexican descent too basically.
I’m Mexican American and know the story about her grandfather having a job in Mexico for a short time and moving his family there briefly. However, MARILYN MONROE WAS NOT MEXICAN, in ethnicity (indigenous + Spanish), not at all! Where do some people get such misinformation?!? It’s also very obvious that she looks very Northern European! Truth always coincides with reality. People look a particular way for a reason.
Marilyn herself was born in either General Hospital or Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles, in the “charity” ward where poor people are born (Marilyn’s mother was a single mom). Marilyn’s REAL BIOLOGICAL FATHER was Charles Stanley Gifford, a coworker of Marilyn’s mother, per 2022 DNA tests, and Mr Gifford was definitely white, along with Marilyn’s mother, Gladys Baker.
Kinda frustrating seeing fully white people claim being Latino! Like no, your family just moved there at some point. It’s kinda weird tho, like for example many Germans fled to Argentina after WW2 so there’s a lot of pure white people there, but can they claim being Latino? Idk!!
I am Mexican "American." Her mom did have "Mexican Blood." But again, USA always tries to take away anyrhing from us by distorting facts. For example, I remember this Whyte guy saying that the "Mexican Wave" was invented by some Whyte guy in USA.
Mexican isn't just Spanish and Indigenous. There are Afro-Mexicans that came via slave trade, but LA is so racist they don't acknowledge black Latinos.
Mexican is NOT a race ffs
@@RogueReplicant I never said Mexican is it’s own “race”. But ethnically what makes up a Mexican? Remember, this is Ethnically. It’s the mix of indigenous native Mexican (also called, “Mexican Indian”) plus Spanish.
A person who is, say 100% Chinese from both sides (mother & father), but is born in Mexico is still 100% Chinese, ethnically! It’s the same with a person like Marilyn Monroe whose mother was born in Mexico, BUT was white from both mother’s side and her father’s side. She’s still 100% white. And Marilyn’s biological father was proven to be white as well, per a DNA test in 2022.
Her mother’s nationality is Mexican by BIRTH ONLY. Nationality just means you were born in a particular nation, but it does NOT mean you are necessarily ethnically that particular people group that is common in that nation. You were just born there, that is all that the word, “nationality” means.
This rumor is an example of people being too lazy to google. Marylin had a connection to/interest in mexico due to being born and raised in LA and the circumstances of her mother's birth. But she is about as Mexican as Meghan McCain is Panamanian. Her bio has a lot of things that make her reatable to people of all backgrounds (no father, raised in foster care, abuse, married young, fertility issues, depression) without making things up.
Her mother had a lot of mental issues, and Marilyn was raised in foster homes.
SHE IS NOT MEXICAN / LATINA / HISPANIC
All I know is that I am an American Mexican aka a Chicano . Born and raised in the USA , My parents came from Mexico around 1949. They came the legal way ! Cool video . Thanks
Her mother was Mexican(not ethnic), and there was a rumor at the time that her biological father was ethnic Mexican.
She was bilingual, so probably who knows 🤷♂️
Salma Hayek like Marilyn Monroe is the child of Lebanese (Arab/Asian) father and Iberian Spanish mother.
Yes but Salma Hayek is actually Mexican. Her family moved to Mexico, became citizens - and not just for one generation either. She’s Mexican of Spanish and Lebanese heritage. Marilyn is not. Her mom was born while her white american parents had a work contract with the railroad. When it was over , they moved back. They’re not Mexican like Selma - ethnically or nationally
@@basicallyno1722 first and foremost Selma Heyek maternal grandparents came from Spain and likely were political refugees who like some Spaniards who fled the Franco regime. In fact Mexico was just one of many destinations that political dissidents fled to (The US nor being one).
The fact that people fight over this dum crap is pathetic the fact that you need tall tails so you feel relavent
Her mom could be a Mexican national, but Marilyn Monroe wasn't Latina or Hispanic of ethnicity. She's as Mexican as Joachim Phoenix is Puerto Rican.
Hispanic and Latino are NOT ethnicities.
I knew a girl whose parents were from Venezuela and she looked exactly like Marilyn Monroe. She had brown hair. that was the only difference.
Marilyn had brown hair naturally. Reddish brown.
Somewhat off-topic, but the singer Linda Ronstadt is Chicana.
You bring up a good point Danielle. A lot of my cousins were born in Mexico and crossed the border into Arizona. But just because they were of Mexican birth doesnt necessarily mean their ancestry goes back there. Their parents could have come from another country like Portugal, Spain, Brazil and just hapened to be born in Mexico.
Perhaps you are thinking of Linda Darnell. They changed her name trying to brand her as Spanish but she was mixed race. Very beautiful woman.
Pin up girsl: Betty Grable, Veronica Lake, Yvonne DeCarlo
She looked gorgeous with dark hair.
Marilyn Monroe is of Norwegian ancestry #fact
B.S.
@@geraldarnoult FO
Scandinavian, irish, Scottish blood , so I've been told , Norwegian being Scandinavian.
I lived in Chihuahua city back in the 1980's, best years of my life!
I don't think she was Mexican
I don't care,do you?
@@lovingit1538 i don't think you think
@@ross23233 does it really matter what you think
@@lovingit1538 I still think you don't think,you say that you don't care about what I think yet you are here thinking in answer again what I thought about your thinking.
@@ross23233 that channel of yours needs some work..go take Care of that.
Maybe in the US we're all looking for lost stories and trying to reconnect it all, and what we don't realise is that sometimes learning someone is mostly English and Scottish or whatever is also part of that re-connection. Thanks for another great video. :)
This video is honestly SAD .. Marilyn was full European no Mexican dna whatsoever lol her parents just lived there because the economy got really bad y’all will cling on to anything LOL 😂
what is sad about it? I dont think you watched it
You may have gone over it before, but there’s lots of speculation that Varina Davis, wife of Jefferson Davis was mulatto. The pictures of her are pretty telling to my eye. Another good one Danielle
To be clear,skin color has nothing to do with nationality. Marilyn Monroe was Mexican-American since one of her parents was full Mexican (meaning born in Mexico). End of story thank me if you care that much😂
This is interesting. Im subscribing
No, Marilyn Monroe was not Mexican by ethnicity.
No, her mother was mexican by chance, but never was raised in a mexican environment(not schooling in México, not a mexican or hispanic nanny), even if his grand father stayed longer working in México it's not sure than his kids would being imbued in mexican culture, having Eagle Pass on the other side of the Rio Grande or Bravo depending or which side are you seeing it.
P.S. mexican in México it's the nationality, but mexican in the US it's an etnicity, like cuban from Cuba and cuban from Miami or any other place in the USA, and hispanic or latino is a umbrella term for all the people of Latinoamerican ascent regardless of country of origin, and time living in the states.
@@elsoldadomarquez What do you mean "by chance?"😔😒
@@ensabahnur7657Her grandfather got a job in Mexico and her mother was born there but he went back to California soon after. She was not raised in Mexico.
@@sr2291 Well that's what actually happened then it wasn't a mistake, etc!
You should have said, that Marilyn Monroe did not have any Mexican ancestry or dna.
(Why do they call the current Pope our first Hispanic Pope? He was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and his nationality is Argentine (with Vatican citizenship). He is the son of Italian immigrants in Argentina. Why isn't he, classified as Italian instead of Argentinan? He speaks both Italian and Spanish, among other languages, if I'm not mistaken.
The current Pope, Pope Francis, is classified as Argentinian because he was born and raised in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and his nationality is Argentine. Although his parents were Italian immigrants, and he has a strong connection to Italian culture and language, national identity typically follows the country of birth and upbringing. Thus, despite his Italian heritage, he is considered Argentinian by nationality. Additionally, his role as Pope also includes Vatican citizenship.)
The term Hispanic denotes an individual with a cultural relationship with Spain. David Beckham who is British can rightly be called Hispanic because of his relationship with Spain going back to his Real Madrid days
@gloriathomas3245
You are correct, my mistake. The 1st Latino Pope from the Americas.
No she was not😂😂😂
Watch about her mom and let me know!
did you watch the video? I say that
Could say her mom had MX nationality, but ethnically she wasn't Hispanic/latina
@@muddyhotdog4103as an indigenous it’s pretty strange how ppl gave this idea that you must be mixed with us to be considered a true mxcn or a real latino when we indigenous predate mx & the Latino concept is French😅 and our ethnicity is our tribe for example ethnically seri, maya, Zapotec, etc & ofc our nationality is mx
Absolutely not she wasn’t Mexican. Her mom was born there while her dad relocated temporarily for work. You don’t “become” the country of your birth because you were born on a business trip, vacation or while your country of origins was out colonizing the area. British people colonizing India aren’t “Indians” because they were born there whole there father was out there campaigning with the British Royal Navy.
My aunt resembles her and she’s mixed with European & Mexican features.
Marilyn Monroe was as American as Apple Pie… She was American. But on a deeper level, she was European which to me is synomous with being Whyte. And on the deepest level she was an American s*x symbol; most likely the greatest of all time….
Monroe can claim Mexican on the basis of Mexico's nationality law. One need not born or live in Mexico just as Mitt Romney can claim Mexican nationality on the basis that his dad was born in Mexico.
Lupita Nyong'o is a Kenyan and Mexican actress who was born in Mexico City, Mexico to Kenyan parents (Kenyan by citizenship and African ancestry). I would posit that very few, if any people would call her a Latina, since she is phenotypically (and genetically) African. This is in spite of the fact that she was born in Mexico and holds Kenyan AND Mexican citizenship. Extrapolate to your heart's content.
What about the afromxns that are phenotypically African but their family has been there for generations? Not Mexican or Latino even tho born & raised?
@@nvmoondevotee28yrsago48 How could they not be both? Dominicans identity as both.
Her mom had Mexican nationality but ethnically I don't think her mom was a mestiza. Real Mexicans didn't name their daughters Gladys back then and didn't originate from mid-America USA states.
Mexicans aren’t only Mestizo. I literally know a Mexican named Gladys myself.
@@Duquedecastro Yeah, was Gladys named in 1900 like Marilyn's mom.
@@asturiasceltic3183 No
Mames yo conozco lo 10 señoras Gladys
@@yorubamexico Yeah, and were they born in the 1900s. you naco chuntarro.
My ancestry from my mom's mom side is Mexican, but my grandma was born in the Philippines and my mom is also born in the Philippines. My great grandpa may have been born in Mexico which became a part of Texas. I was also born in the Philippines, but I was raised in Los Angeles and moved to Texas.
So basically she wasn't Mexican @ all...Her mom was just born there through two so called white parents from the Midwest but she never was a citizen of Mexico...I don't understand Mexicans obsession with either being or being close to pale skin Europeans but more power to yall.
I don’t know any Mexicans obsessed as you say. We have plenty of iconic beauty’s of our own.
@@azborderlandsmany claim they’re Spaniards when they’re just the byproduct of Spanish colonialism with the indigenous
@@bastian9693Some are only European entirely, so why do you deem it necessary for them to claim Indigenous.
The Mestizo’s exist and are happy to tell you they are half “indio”.
If Marilyn was Mexican, she was definitely 100% European.
@@azborderlands The Olmecs were African in appearance & origin, I know that much… It’s just funny how Eurocentric “scholars” of Mexican history fear touching on the ancient African/ black/indigenous foundation of that religion, prior to European colonialism… The Mexican history is just as white washed as so called black history is in the USA.
@@bastian9693 same way black americans claim to be africans but are a byproduct of English colonialism with black africans....
I knew about this over 10 years ago! I heard about her being Latina from a friends mother from Mexico!
And yet Monroe does not have hispanic heritage nor a descendant from that culture.
@@TrancymindYes she does, her mother was born in Mexico
@@mdc3148 Monroes mothers both parents are 100% americans with 0% hispanic background heritage. Plus they only lived there for only a couple of years by the US-mexican border.
@@Trancymind Mexican law is Mexican law, you are nobody to question it to be frank
@@Trancymind Mexico is a nationally just like American is. Maybe you should read some books before you comment again
Hi Danielle! I don't think Marilyn has nothing to do with Mexico as her mother was just born there and they left Mexico almost immediately.