John Lennon On His Violent Past and Domestic Abuse
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- Excerpts from various interviews where John, his first wife Cynthia Powell and Yoko Ono address his previous violent behaviour.
Credit to mayor_of_awesometown for compiling this.
Obviously a great musician, but it's always interesting to me how some celebrities are excused for their bad behaviours while other are not.
@Marc Bell Exactly. Some people forget this was during an era where females had little rights and were subjected to cruelty by men.
beebah .......all this “John was cruel”, “John was a wife -beater” nonsense is becoming really monotonous. John slapped Cynthia *once* when they argued one time (before they were married at that!) and was so ashamed, swore he’d never do it again. He stuck to his word, something Cynthia herself acknowledged in her Biography. Call me crazy but I think John’s first *wife* would know better than a bunch of armchair critics.
P K ......evidently, you don’t know much of John Lennon or his life. Jesus, if John himself hadn’t spoken of any of this, you’d have certainly never heard of it. Read a few books.
exactly
He admitted he was wrong, and he corrected his behavior.
This is... really important to hear. We can't read his mind to see if he's sincere, but the fact that he owned it publicly is at least something.
He revealed it himself which is I think pretty genuine
@@fernandoguadarrama7537 the fact he said it is important. Because he confessed and it tales something to confess
hes always sincere
Oh, he said he's sorry I guess that makes everything okay.
No, it's not. I've been beaten and I don't give a shit if the ahole admitted it. It still happened and hurt me terribly
Never ever go back to someone who smacks or hits you, belittles you verbaly or tries to control you!
@Terry A. Tiger and sometimes u gotta give him a good shmack.
i wonder why we go back to those political parties if all they do is belittle us, control us, and they use their puppets to smack or hit us.
yes these people are cluster b personality disordered more than likely. Psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists, borderlines or histrionic.
He never did it again he didn’t try to control her god what’s wrong with you?
@UCTDlUmvqiy1BF8aYLNhGtGA he still put his hands on her you dumbass. "Whats wrong with you?" no, what's wrong with YOU? sticking up for someone who hits women ur disgusting
My father use to beat me and my mother. He was a drunk for years. Not going to lie it did scar me and effected me even into my late adult life *I'm almost 30* however, my father never lied about his wrongdoings. He admitted with a heavy heart his sins to my mother and I. He gave up drinking, humbled himself, apologized to us on numerous occasions and to this day he is still my hero. My father was also abused as a child by his father who was also a drunk. unfortunately generational curses are real. But the fact of the matter is my father admitted to his wrongs, owned up and strived to be a better man. Today he is the most loving and caring man in my life. Humans are fickle. There's is no black and white. A sinner can become a Saint and a Saint can fall from grace. It is how you repent for your sins, introspective as well as repent to the ones you hurt that shows your Character. Anybody can change their ways. Everybody can better themselves and do right. That's what matters.
🙏❤️
God bless you and your mother and father! Your words are so true
@@billsultzbach7079 God bless!
I'm so glad your dad was able to make that change. I've been in a relationship that got just awful and again, drink was a big part. Alcohol seems to be a bad red flag for violence. It's not often you hear of someone making such a proper and heartfelt change. It's a great thing to know it can happen.
You can forgive one who harmed you, so long as you remember what they did was wrong.
John Lennon was honest about himself and was open about his faults, he did not claim to be an angel...it is other people who put him on a pedestal and perpetrated the myth that he was a peacenik.
Exactly!! I feel so bad for him. Dead and people are still talking bad about him.
@@Pomppomporin You feel bad for him for hitting women? What.
@@lolaslolita you act as if its so easy to do good in HIS position. It was a slap, get over it its been 41 years since his death shut up snowflake
@@Pomppomporin it wasnt only a slap. stop defending him.
@@lolaslolita it was just a slap, read Cyn (wife)'s autobiography
Even tho he had a rough life... actually is not an excuse
Pharoah M he literally tried to become a better person
Ludmila Gonzalez he wasn’t even excusing it
he didn't even have a rough life. he's just a piece of shit.
@@slitbodmod isn't not that rough. he had a happy childhood. it's not an excuse to abuse people.
@@slitbodmod i didn't say he was tho
The ignorance in this comment section is truly unmatched by almost anything I’ve ever seen. Most of the people in this comment section are missing the point of the matter. John Lennon was a violent young man at one point, learned from his violent past, and not only changed to improve himself, but to help others who were struggling with violence themselves. The only way that we will ever evolve as people is by noticing our wrongdoings and improving upon them. If we never learned, we wouldn’t be living and we wouldn’t be human. Please understand that John Lennon was a person. People aren’t perfect, but people can improve.
100 percent right
lmao, he beated his wife and was a homophobic racist piece of shit. I love how beatletards trade their moral values and justify violence just for people not to touch their idol.
You are right, nobody is perfect but sometimes it still disappoints me
@@ponasenkoepifantsev377 how's he h*omophobic ? Imagine being such a beatles hater that you make up stuff to hate on them, smh 🤡
Thank you! The comments section was driving me mad until I saw this!
I’m glad to hear that after he’d put his hands on Cynthia, he didn’t do it again and this was later proved by Yoko saying he never put his hands on her.
Now verbal abuse is another thing, but any step towards progress is significant.
You are really downplaying it. John admitted to hitting WOMEN. Meaning more than one. And he was extremely manipulative, controling and abandoned his wife and son. He didn't have "one bad moment" and then learned to change. I am glad he ended up changing from what we can see, and knowing his life was cut way short, but lets not belittle or downplay the abuse he was responsible for.
" I used to be cruel to my woman I'd beat her and keep her apart of the things that she loved. Man I was mean but I'm changing my scene and I'm doing the best that I caaan." I'm glad for John that things were getting better toward the end of his life. Some lessons are hard to learned. The karma account is between him and his maker , but I believe that he repented.
"I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved. Now I'm in jail and they won't give me bail and she''s doing the best that she can. I've got to admit she's getting better... getting better since I'm doing time."
Ray Conger he didn’t even apologize just turned himself into the victim😴
@@bigtimecena3676 he Never did lol
This makes his murder so much worse. He wasn't allowed the same chance Ringo got to redeem himself, or reconcile with his kids and exes, he AND them had that stollen from them.
WWEXDCGamer .......what nonsense!
John was obviously an introspective and intelligent person who was able to see his own flaws and change them. Not only did he see his violent side and change it but he recognised that being a homophobe is often a hatred of ones own ambivalent sexuality, which is an epiphany that not many homophobes have. Everyone has character flaws but few people see their own flaws and choose to change for the better. For this I respect him.
"Oooooh but he learned", he didnt have a problem with being stubborn or shy or some shit, he was a fucking abuser.
Theres "normal human flaws" and theres beating your spouse and child.
+likira111 So how's your life, Miss Perfect? What have you done that you don't want anyone knowing about? What skeletons are hiding in your closet? Stop acting like you've never fucked up in your life. From the way you talk you're not such a great person either.
8rr725
> Implying not beating your partner/child is an impossible standard
>"you probably slap your mother around"
You okay? I'm not joking, either you just wanna defend this guy beyond no matter what or something happend to make you think abuse was "commonplace". I just wanna say I know were arguing internet strangers but if it's the latter i sincirely hope things get better.
he was a narcissist that didn't give a cent of a fuck don't make it sound more than it is LOL
People often call Lennon a hypocrite for being a peace activist while being a violent individual as well, but I don’t think that’s fair. I’m not trying to justify his violence, obviously it was wrong, but he publicly admitted his faults and tried to be better. He became a peace activist BECAUSE he regretted his violence so much. He didn’t even have to become a peace activist and probably could have gotten away with being violent forever, but he chose peace anyway. For that reason I believe he was a good person at heart.
Lennon is Logan Paul done right
No excuses. He beat his wife and that's unforgivable. People need to stop worshipping this monster.
He was still a terrible father and husband, cheated his wife and abandon his son, let his all money to yoko control after his death...Yeah great man, anyway
@@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheeseJohn cheated on his first wife when he was still in his early 20s all the Beatles did. That was just another thing that he was trying to make up for later in life, he was also rekindling his relationship and tried to be there for Julian during the mid-to-late seventies. He made mistakes, but he tried his absolute best to make up for them and didn't make excuses while doing so.
@@samot4100quit coping boomer, the Beatles and their ilk were evil. May they rot in hell.
1:58 "He was desperately sorry" "he didn't do it again"
"but but he beats his wife and is so abusive....."
@@maahrooreekee4295 ya he was.
There's no excuse for hitting his wife even once or are you gonna justify domestic violence?!
@@MahaHMA That was bad. But he did that once without his total conciousness. If you do know how to forgive people you would realize my point.
Or you might be the perfect person to be able to judge everyone else on a single mistake they made during their life. If you have never lied, never hit anyone in your life, never cursed at people even in your head, never felt hate towards people, never commited any fouls during your lifetime then you may not understand that people can change and you can forgive someone for what they've done in the past. Get over it.
@@maahrooreekee4295 it wasn't just once
Did you know about his housekeeper, the lady said that he used to hit his son too and Julian himself said that Lennon was a hypocrite and abandoned him just for another woman (yoko ono)
www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4713954/Dad-was-a-hypocrite.-He-could-talk-about-peace-and-love-to-the-world-but-he-could-never-show-it-to-his-wife-and-son.html
He was a dickhead.
You can love the beatles and lennon music and you can say he changed and became a better person without defending domestic abuse or saying some bullshit like "he was just unconscious"
i truly think he had changed
people make mistakes but with time and experience they can become better people.
there's no redemption for hitting women
@@chrisgermaine4695 Yeah there is
@@evanpowers6045 no there isnt dumbass, yall excuse everything when it comes to men
@@chrisgermaine4695 Then maybe you should just keep F'ing your sister - way better.
He was young. He learned his lesson. He made amends and changed. He said it as it is in his interviews, proof that he wants to be held accountable for it. Parents with troubled kids who turned their lives around can understand. Does that make him a good or bad individual? Neither, it made him human.
What is so "human" is this comment. Because if someone laid out these exact same actions that John did, but he didn't make hit music, you wouldn't defend him. But if someone is a celeb and we connect with their art, we seem to passively overlook things they do. Now if we didn't like the person, or he was just a random drunk who beat women, you would not be nearly as charitable to the person. Does that make you a hypocrite, or just honest? Neither, it means you're human.
Nah, what am I saying, it makes you a hypocrite. lol
Love that he can admit his feelings and mistakes . He doesn't blame others. He wanted to change and better himself in the end. Genuine people can regret and admit their mistakes. He was probably was grieving his mum. He was self destructive at the time he was angry and lashed out. He wanted love and peace and got it before his death.
Such a long list of excuses. Tired just reading it. I’m sleep 😴
@@mysteriousmrocd8384 so much excuse 🤣
Yeah, he can admit it, but he didn't move to correct it either. If I crash my car into someone and just admit that I did it, it doesn't really mean much, does it?
@@thisisme2592 Shut up prick
@@Sizdothyx She wasn’t injured or on deaths door
As a huge Beatles fan i have to disagree completely with these commenters excusing his behavior. He clearly says "any woman", implying that Cynthia wasn't the only one. With that said, the good thing is that he changed completely and recognized his mistakes, no need for this hatred.
at least John was man enough to admit his wrongs you gotta give him that nomatter what you think of him
people don't change they are who they are, and with age they get worse. admitting that he was violent does not make him a gentle man, he preached love and peace but that was a publicity stunt, how can people not see that? No love and peace in that family only, money, drugs and selfishness. He couldn't give a shit about peace.
Theres admitting your wrong doings and theres farting out false apologies to look better.
So what he isn't forgiving he's a rat
Just push the right button, and he will be the old violent John. FUCKER!!!
@@arrivagabry People can change especially if they want to. I was beating my brother too (He beat me too) but both of us changed. Everytime he hit me I started to kiss him and tickle him. Now he deosn't hit anyone, I don't hit anyone. In short, people can change if they want to, nobody is a stone standing the same place, time flows.
Married Yoko dated John Lennon when he was married to Cynthia
Dated or stalked
@lucy bond ??? So you're told that Yoko was married when she dated John (who was also married) and you're response is "Yeah. Yoko is a nutjob". A nutjob no doubt she is, but they were both as bad as each other for cheating on their partners.
I lived in Liverpool 62-65 when my Colonel Father was working with MI5 and Canadian Intel! Thank god we came home to Vancouver. That said, that squealing bitch stalked John and jumped in to the Limo with Cynthia after a premier. The Colonel said they were watching the National Icons very closely, he also said these boys are going to be bigger than Sinatra, his Idol, and Elvis! They are, and Dad said that in 1965. He confirmed John was a mean grumpy bastard against the Govt. and any other things he ranted about. The U.S. may of set up his murder, as he was too outspoken, and it took a long time for him to get his green card. This is fact whether you like it or not.
@@TheGroucho66 He also was violent but people also refuse to forgive Chris Brown but will act like John wasn't a violent chav at all. I wonder why?
In the Interview shortly before his murder John Lennon admitted to his violence against women (and men) but that he had changed. Then he died shortly after saying this so the question is, can an abusive partner really change?
While people do have the capacity to change, they need to deeply want to and be committed to all aspects of change in order to begin to do so - and even then, it’s a lot easier said than done.
Did John Lennon change? We can never know for sure, he didn't live long enough.
I used to be violent, went 6 month in. I did introspection and havent been phisycal nor verbally violent in 10 yrs.
Its a constant work but im trying to be the best person i can.
@@doubleddbeat3418 keep it up 👍
He changed in 66
I used to be violent as little. Once I found out that other kids are scared of me and avoiding me I started to change my behavior. By grade 5 it stopped and I was never a violent guy again. I'm 41 now.
I already knew this...at least his admiting the truth
Daniel Jara doesn't matter admitting it or not guy is a fanny
@@grantmcroberts4089 for hitting a woman once? Being sorry about it helps to resolve it, If he didn't care and continued to do it then he would be a "fanny". At the time a lot of people hit women and nowadays its not seen as right but guess what, your neighbour could hit his wife and u will be nice to them but they would never tell you and admit to their wrongdoing but you treat them well.
@@starlinyn9292 the bloke was wanker
@@starlinyn9292 the bloke was nothing but a half baked hippie, preacher man. Like most "hippies" from that era. made the song imagine, lived in a mansion and spent millions on painting for his weirdo of a wife Yoko.
Nothing he said he live by yet people worship him, bloke was a wanker.
@@starlinyn9292 not being perfect does not equal beating a woman, please
And Paul protected his name when Stern asked about this
Can you send a link of the clip?
It’s been two years and he still hasn’t
@@oliverfield877 you can literally just search up “Paul and Howard Stern interview” 🙄
They all suck expect from George and ringo, the other two had mad ego.
@@aronbarkley1119 he cheated?
That was very honest of him. Its easy to notice other peoples flaws and not acknowledge our own, and that's what he's doing here. We all expect our heroes to be on their best behavior. He made a mistake and anyway look at all the good the guy did, a lot, a fucking lot; He was a great guy.
I was very impressed to hear him say that. It takes a big person to do so.
he hit women when he was young, he changed you idiots lol, learn how to forgive you morons, no one is perfect
Grant Mcroberts so if I killed your family when I was young then got older and told people about what I done would you forgive me?
Even if he did accomplishments, he should still be held accountable
breanna kay yes because we all know that hitting someone is just as bad as murdering your family lmao grow a brain
John Lennon was a very wounded man,he was badly wounded by his parents and the horrible experiences of his youth and that's why he was so angry,what's a real shame is that when John Lennon had finally gotten himself together and finally attained some peace of mind he was brutally murdered. Bob.
may john rest in peace.
he was emotionally destroyed by the death of his mother compounded by the death of STu Sutcliffe. yes, that will make you really angry. I don't k now if he got himself together at the time of his murder but there are indications that he may have been in the process of outgrowing his dependence on Yoko. He wanted to see his family in England finally. He asked someone who worked on double fantasy "do you think women will find me attractive?"
True
Janet Sampson you say that like his parents and murder were big scary demons but the fact that he beat women and nearly killed a guy for making a gay joke about was just poor little john acting out.
I saw a book alleging that he kicked Stewart Sutcliffe in the head, leading to his early death. I think it was written by a close relative of Stewart.
How can people still talk crap about Lennon after hearing this. Atleast he was honest about his past and was makin an effort to change. He was maturing and became a better person in his last years. He was even hanging out with julian and trying to be a father to him. I don't understand why people focus on his negative past but not the positives he has done
+Ricardo Marques Because the truly evil people are the ones who love to put people down yet probably have their own demons that they'd never have the balls to admit to.
Ted Bundy also was clear about his past... So what's your point?
Catholic forgiveness?
@@8rr725
Oh yes poor old misunderstood abusers and mysoginistic people, they deserve a second chance!
We should be preoccupied with THEIR traumatic past, never with the one from their victims.
Cynthia, Julian? Oh fuck em, they were just pieces to support the talent and genius of Lennon, and that's all what matters here...
What is the life and the suffering of people in exchange for the production of music that make you melt in love and peace.
Fuck all these criticism and moaning, geniuses like Lennon have the right to abuse . And then later self contrition is all the public needs to forgive em.
Don't hate, just love. Put the other cheek. And if you don't like to accept that premise, expect all my fanatic violence and rage.
Lovely hippie.
Ricardo- How can Lennon fans still insist he is above criticism? The problem with idol-worshippers like you is you are not capable of objective thinking.
Ricardo- Maybe because the overwhelming response to John Lennon's legacy is uncompromising praise. Maybe because the 'negative' side gets completely whitewashed by idol-worshippers.
He had a great wife and son and he blew it his fault entirely simpathy for Cynthia and Julian none for him
Glenn Gibbs but he changed he learned his lesson
I totally agree with you
lucy bond supposedly, John was planning to return back to Liverpool and reconnect with Cynthia and Julian. I read somewhere but I cannot remember.
I read that too but Yoko made sure he didn't, and the asshole went back to the wicked witch
I think he was planning to start connecting with Julian sometime around 2027.
I think it's only recorder that John hit Cynthia and he only did it right around the time his mother died, he was getting into fights, constantly drunk, and took his anger out on everyone and everything around him. I'm not saying that's an excuse, but it certainly does give a little window into the place he was in when he did it.
I know.
And cheated on Cynthia with yoko not saying that’s a excuse, but it certainly gives you a little window on the place he was in
@@kevindecker4803 meh, love isn’t that simple. People try to make it too simple.
@@kevindecker4803 He abused other women too and men could and beat and abuse their wives at the time and get away with it and society was sexist and misogynistic at the time, that's not an excuse but it certainly gives you a little window on the place men were
Never ignore red flags.
I thought it was really crazy when he said he was a violent man that made music about peace when he was a violent man. Says a lot about human psychology
Hardcore John Lennon fans:
1) 'He made a few mistakes'
2) Ahh well at least he is being honest
3) He is still perfect and cannot be criticised.
You hypocrites wouldn't be making such excuses for other domestic abusers, would you?
But Lennon gets a free pass because you worship him.
Basically 🙅🏻♂️
God forgives us, we forgive God 😘
Centrist Philosopher right
I agree...Mark David Chapman made a few mistakes too...then he said he felt shame for shooting Lennon....Chapman was honest and man enough to admit his mistakes.
We don’t agree with what he did but we forgive him because at least he admitted it and owned up to it and he apologises and regrets it greatly
Joseph Tarbell you are seriously gonna say that a man who slapped someone once is as bad as a psychotic murderer , I think you need to think before you type this BS mate
I believe at the time this was something extremely common and for a man of his power to stand up and admit that back then is incredible as it was such a normal Hong for men to do to their partners. However, if this was something that happened in the modern day I would understand completely how you wouldn’t forgive a celebrity for this behavior as people in the modern age know now how to have a healthy equal relationship (at least most do)
I’m going to be completely candid here, I love the Beatles and John is my favorite Beatle. I love his song writing, his wit, and his inquisitive mind. However, I refuse to completely excuse the fact that he was a very violent man. Just because he had a very sad childhood doesn’t excuse the trauma he caused Cynthia or Julian. And I do believe that if he were alive I would find the courage to tell him so. However, he did admit to his wrongdoings and I am glad because a lot of men do not. He seemed to just begin to come around towards the last couple of years before his life ended. I do respect him for that, but then again I hold him accountable but I’m also a very forgiving person by nature. I find it really hard because when you’re a Beatles fan (not the obsessive kind) you’re in a bit of a pinch. I’m always trying to make sure I do the right thing as to not seem insensitive about anything but, being a Beatles fan is really hard considering that you love them so much but then you also have to deal with the fact that they were terrible at one point in their life. I hope that makes sense and doesn’t seem stupid
You could be talented and still not a good person I can’t believe you
@@jetnight88 You don't need to be a nice guy to be a great artist. In fact, it's often a limiting factor.
Don’t put people on pedestals . . Plus we all have faults ❤️ (hurt people hurt people)
John was a confused angry young man who matured into a good man. He was honest and authentic. Also a highly intelligent man, who was a musical genius.
As much as I love his music, what he did was completely wrong and unacceptable in any context. At least he recognized and admitted to his faults and weaknesses. The past is the past I suppose.
It's funny how we excuse domestic violence with "the past is the past" just because he's a celebrity. If he was just an average Joe then people would want him to be arrested.
@@harold3165 John Lennon was not the kind of celebrity you're saying he is.
@@harold3165 There was never domestic violence. Cynthia explicitly denies that John was a physically abusive husband.
It's ironic that Ike Turner was a pioneer in music (he wrote the first Rock and Roll song "Rocket 88") but most people only talk about his domestic violence and drug abuse. John Lennon was a talented musician but he was a wife beater and abused drugs as well. He also neglected his son Julian but many people excuse his dark side because he sang about peace. John himself said its the most violent people who go for love and peace.
Marc Bell so he never beat her, he only slapped her? What a great logic dude, and he said “I used to hit women” so it probably happened more than once, not only with Cynthia, he once chocked May Pang on a rehearsal.
Marc Bell I do give him credit for that, but you seem to be blindly worshipping him, he choked her in front of everyone on a rehearsal taking her breath out, and yes, it is bad, you’re not supposed to be slapping your wife, I don’t care if it was just once, you just don’t. And I don’t care about that shitty song from one of John’s worsts albums (one of many with those “avant-garde” shitty projects he did with Yoko) I’m still a great fan of the dude but as a person he had MAJOR flaws.
Marc Bell Still, there’s no difference between John coming up with a song and another women beater that slaps his wife and comes back the next day with flowers saying he’s sorry, it’s still a shitty thing to do, plus, he wrote that but some months later he was chocking May Pang in front of his friends, same thing to me.
@Marc Bell
You must be a wife beater or woman beater for sure, the justification fir violence that lies in your comments say it loud and clear.
Marc Bell spoken like a true woman hating wife beater. You’ve got serious issues dude & by the way surprise it’s you with the cognitive issues. HFS go seek mental health counseling ... no seriously.
I hate how everyone labels him as a wife beater when it was only one event(that we know off). It was something Cynthia didn't think was all that relevant as she reviled him more for leaving her for Yoko and abandoning Julian. In the case of being hit, cynthia knew she was the one with the cards and subsequently broke up with him it wasn't really a situation where she was in danger like others like to make out. Obviously it doesnt excuse these actions in particular, but calling him a wife beater is like saying someone who murdered one person is guilty of Genocide. Its a balance we need to maintain, to make sure this stuff isnt lost to history and show how our heroes may be capable of bad things but also to be aware of distorting someones legacy and defining their life by something very small and insignificant in the long run. John is not a bad person nor is he a good person, he like all of us is Flawed.
People have taken these quotes from John, which are just him exaggerating his dark past and trying to frame his lyrics as autobiographical, and have used them to character assassinate him. He never beat Cynthia nor was he ever a physically abusive husband.
@@purplehaze1274 This is 100% a lie. You can defend abuse all you want, just because you like their music. So now we aren't supposed to take what he says seriously? Only when he says good stuff is he telling the truth, huh? Celeb worship is so gross and dangerous. No wonder throughout history they have felt they can do anything and get away with it. Because there are knuckle draggers such as yourself who happens to like music from them, so you have to run free PR for them. It's so weird and toxic. Grow up.
Lol okay bud, you even have to use a murder as an analogy.
Saw someone say that John Lennon was violent and rich on CP24 (news station in Toronto). I find this shocking, given his music? Damn. Why does this society elevate people like this?
Can people not change? If he stopped beating people and regrets his decisions why does everyone still shit on him. I mean yes it was horrible, but young and dumb.. Is everyone with a bad past just destined to be pieces of shit forever even post mortem? Some people don't change, but what if he did?
Because they think the Beatles music is overrated and need a reason to shit on them.
It's the Paul fans who say that. I love Paul he's my inspiration but the way I see it John was different from most abusers because he did truly feel ashamed for what he did. He felt remorse, he felt empathy, and he was honest. That's something a lot of violent people don't have. I still think he was a mean person (and Paul was a better musician :P)
I dont get why people are still bashing john lennon for his abusive behavior after all these years. Its bullcrap.
And its sickening
Zack McCrea .......never mind grossly inaccurate!
John was a violent man, and he knew this and didn’t attempt to hide it, it shouldn’t be forgotten that what John did was inexcusable. These past acts he did clearly haunted him and were the main reason for why he pushed so hard for peace from 1968 to his death. His past experiences were teaching moments for him on how to better himself.
Abandoning Julian and Cynthia was reprehensible. But even then, he and Julian often met up together. Julian has a right to feel the stigma against his father, leaving him and his mother. Paul being a better father figure to Julian than John was. When John wrote Good Night for him, he didn’t even have the courtesy to sing it himself.
Unfortunately due to the wide lack of context and understanding of what happened with John, it means that there are people that still truly believe that John Lennon advocated for peace but then went home and beat his wife and son. Memes fine, it’s meant to be comedic. But as actual points against him, it’s plain slander.
Went from a violent hitter to a peace activist people change and I’m glad John did
Is there a full version of the interview where John talks about his self destructive college days? Good stuff!
Y’all forget that artists are people too they make mistakes but that does not excuse the violent person he is. And listening to a band or an artist does not define who you are...
That really goes to show how empathetic Cynthia is. She said she nurtured John and helped him through his pain even though it's not her responsibility
Lennon's relationship with Julian was already strained, and after Lennon and Ono moved to Manhattan in 1971, Julian would not see his father again until 1973.[168] With Pang's encouragement, arrangements were made for Julian (and his mother) to visit Lennon in Los Angeles, where they went to Disneyland.[169]Julian started to see his father regularly, and Lennon gave him a drumming part on a Walls and Bridges track.[170] He bought Julian a Gibson Les Paul guitar and other instruments, and encouraged his interest in music by demonstrating guitar chord techniques.[170]Julian recalls that he and his father "got on a great deal better" during the time he spent in New York: "We had a lot of fun, laughed a lot and had a great time in general."[171]
In a Playboy interview with David Sheff shortly before his death, Lennon said, "Sean was a planned child, and therein lies the difference. I don't love Julian any less as a child. He's still my son, whether he came from a bottle of whiskey or because they didn't have pills in those days. He's here, he belongs to me, and he always will." He said he was trying to re-establish a connection with the then 17-year-old, and confidently predicted, "Julian and I will have a relationship in the future."[132] After his death it was revealed that he had left Julian very little in his will.[172]
That's a shitty shitty thing to say about Julian (Playboy 1980).
I love John's music, not so much as a person. That statement alone could make one see what kind of man he was, even if that screamer prepped the statement, he made it. Disgusts me more than anything about him.
John left his finances up to Yoko, she made all the financial decisions during his life and after his death and he did not have a will set up, I doubt he thought he was going to die anytime soon so it was up to her to decide to give anything to Julian but yes that was a callous and thoughtless thing to say even if the broader point was that most pregnancies are unplanned that isn't something you just put out there for your son to hear, that's just cruel and very damaging to a child's psyche.
His faults are not to be forgiven and his contributions are not to be dismissed, there are both criticism and compliment for most individuals who’ve ever lived. In this comment section there are two sides to the story and both are correct. Both sides of the argument here contain worthwhile information. Everyone would do good to listen to everyone else, accept the parts of the information that are enlightening and dismiss the ones that are not.
You can’t cancel John Lennon, you can’t lift him up, he isn’t here anymore, but if you feel it’s important for the actions of his life to face condemnation to inspire and educate, I do not disagree and I applaud your love and concern for the other people of this world. If you choose to illuminate the positive evolution of his personality to inspire and educate, I do not disagree and I applaud your love and concern for the other people in this world.
This is important, men grow and learn to be violent for a reason, yes patriarchy, misogyny is a crime, but is also a social construct, as men, it's important to recognise, just as Lennon did, that this behaviours come from not knowing how to express, manage feelings, and repressing all inside, all because of the models of masculinity we take on from a violent machistic society. Accepting this is also important in the sense that we can evolve, being an abusive man is revolting, but it's not something given by nature, taking therapy, assuming one's responsibility, making amends and paying one's crimes can lead to redemption, there's no need to eternally condemn a person that has assumed and payed for his responsibility, I think that's the lesson Lennon can teach, aggressors as we know, most of the times were raised in abusive families, is a deep and wide problem that concerns us all, we can all evolve and become better
Yoko deserves credit for making John turn a new leaf in regards to his actions and mentality regarding women.
Love how the people in these comments that claim to be against domestic violence and sexism and misogyny by just stating the same thing over and over such as "John Lennon was a wife beater and a horrible person and a hypocrite" but they don't acknowledge the fact that at this time period men could and beat their wives and got away with it because sexist was misogynistic and they don't call out all the other men at the time that did this and the sexism and misogyny. You can say we're not talking about that, but I just think it's hypocritical and stupid.
It's beautiful when John Lennon says "I WAS THE FIRST LENNON HIT OUT HISTORY,YOU KNOW."
In my point of view,it is a beautiful conscience.
These are the quotes that have been used to character assassinate Lennon decades after his death claiming he was a "wife beater" despite the wife he supposedly beat denying such claims. Really it is him exaggerating his dark past and trying to frame old lyrics are autobiographical not realizing that the internet would latch on to those quotes in the future to demonize him.
John almost ended the Beatles legacy beginning in a blink of an eye because without him that was the building block frontman...
Beatle mania almost never happened with that close shave of his personal showcase of madness
I think he needed to be in a good place to create the music he did, allowing Yoko to take over the business side allowed him to concentrate on the thing he did best make music, I would imagine he had more money than he knew what to do with anyway.
None of that changes that he was an awful father and husband
Yoko Ono also neglected her daughter!
Kevin Clepps no I think her ex husband took her daughter and fled
It’s utterly sad and pathetic how many Beatles fans will still continue to worship Lennon and praise him to the skies, not pointing out any of his many, many flaws. Great musician and lyricist, terrible human being
You can realize his flaws and also acknowledge that he was a person who recognized his flaws and tried to better himself..
and oh, such a terrible human being Lennon was that he...
- spread joy and inspired millions with his songs
- played at several charity concerts such as in 1972
- lead so many movements against the useless Vietnam war that he was followed for years by the FBI, and Nixon tried to stop him from entering the country
- Refused to play to segregated audiences
- Took 5 years off music to be with his son Sean
- Got back with Julian towards the end of his life after regretting how he was like before
... what a "terrible human being"!!
+Marcus Fairweather What's utterly sad and pathetic is that there are people like you who think all Beatles fans are like that. But we're also smart enough to actually listen to the guy and hear him say that he knew he was a douchebag and apologized and made up for it. Of course you conveniently ignore that part.
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You conveniently and above all easily forgive and forget all what he did before. Because since you're a fan it's more easy and feasible to jump on his side than in victims side. Fan comes from fanatic. Same race as nationalists and religious extremists.
Denial is their favorite card.
The honesty he shows here and his willingness to face up to it (which VERY FEW do in our society) makes him an even greater human being than I had realised. As Carl Jung said, we ALL have the "shadow self". Not a single person on the planet is immune from this which represents our dark side and faults. This was John's. He hurt people for which he should be criticised, but faced it. This completely refutes your generic conclusion that he was a "terrible human being", end of. That is terrible arrogance
Marcus Fairweather Rubbish! He learnt by his Mistakes!!
just think he was a human. he did many awful things but he regretted and stopped.
But he didn't look how he treated his family and former band mates
+Glenn Gibbs Oh, so Paul was so innocent? Give me a break!
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Once again, he deserved it right?
He must accept everything John did because he was the genius.
@@adamantiuscloudcat1799 Ah I see - you're an unashamed Macca Wanker? Please go listen to "She's Leaving Home" and have a good cry. FUCKINGMORON.
Well, at least, if nothing else, he learnt from his mistakes. I've been in a violent relationship. It gives me some hope that someone who was so wealthy, and in many ways could've have pushed his "power" around, done what he wanted and become absolutely horrid, was able to grow and not make excuses for his awful behaviour and just stop.
john obviously did some shitty things, i just don't like when people point it out. like i remember there was a post on instagram for john lennon's death and the comments were full of like "omg you support a wife beater??" "ew he's an abuser". people, first of all, he wasn't a wife beater, he did some other bad shit, but that's wrong. second, i really can't understand why people care so much about what celebrities do- especially in their private lives, why do you care so much? i seriously can't excuse john for the shit he did but man i surely do not care about all that, i just love him for his talent, his wit, his thinking, not for some shit he did. and people need to learn that he changed, he really changed (unfortunately on the year he died). so, stop getting mad about a genius musician who died 40 years ago. do you really expect celebrities or "regular" people to be perfect? nobody is, in the end.
you know The only reason people know about him hitting his wife is because he told everyone that obviously shows that he’s remorseful what is wrong with people these days there’s a thing called redemption stop attacking this mans corpse
you have to be extremely close minded and bitter to believe that it isn’t possible for someone to grow and become a better person like john did.
@taylor ferrari You can what you so call (change) but that won’t erase that shitty person he was and still deep down inside he still is the same violent man
In his last interview on 8 Decenber 1980, Lennon said he was going to live down his abuse of women for the rest of his life. He wasn't making excuses or justifying the abuse. He was doing the honorable thing, being a better human. The haters here need to accept that people change for the better because they want to be better people. You can find fault with that if you want, but you're really not furthering your own cause of being better, are you? Maybe self improvement isn't your thing, and that's fine, but I refuse to find some of the hateful remarks here acceptable. If you don't approve of the main tenet of a certain faith , well, pity that...you're not exactly any better than they who you are critical of.
As talented and gifted as Lennon was, abuse is something that should never have a pass. People change, but who knows if he would've really changed if he wasn't murdered?
The fact that he never got the chance is what's so unfair about his murder.
Obviously, he didn't get a pass. Which is why we have a bunch of self-righteous dipshits besmirching his memory now. He got murdered on the street. What do you want to do? Dig him and do it again?
His last act of violence was in 1963 - 17 years before he died!!!!!!!!!!! He was an angry young man after he tragically lost his mum, who he adored ,and had only just got to know her, after being robbed of her when little. Alcohol increased his anger. But he was intelligent enough to sort it, and develop as a human being. Listen to his song 'Mother', and see how you go.
He wasn't a wife beater, in order for him to be that he'd have to have hit his wife during their marriage which by all accounts he didn't. He did hit his first wife Cynthia Lennon once while they were dating which lead to them breaking up for a duration of three months, they reconciled when John apologized and he from then on never laid a finger on her. All this can be found in her book 'John' and multiple interviews with her on the subject of her ex-husband. During the months that they had broken up, another instance of violence toward women occured when he slapped his ex-girlfriend Thelma Pickles. This was when he was a teenager. With regard to Yoko Ono, he never beat her.
As a father, he wasn't spectacularly good, he sometimes was very hurtful and harsh especially to his first son Julian, he was also absent during his early years though experiencing Beatlemania and being on tour for four years didn't help, he had quite a few outbursts of anger and verbal abuse too and yelling things such as "I hate your fucking laugh! Don't ever fucking laugh like that in front of me again. " damages a child very much and as such should be condemned and no excuses must be made and when psychedelics arrived retreated inward and almost lost all his ego and personality and he definitely did not spend nearly enough time with him post divorce.
All this have had a detrimental impact on Julian as per his words. Julian has stated that though there were times he got on well with his father, Paul McCartney was more of a father than John ever was during his early years. On the other hand, he was a doting father when it came to his second son Sean, his hiatus from the music business was precisely so that he could spend time with his son and not repeat his failings with his first son. There were nannies present who did a lot of the work but I digress, he still spent a lot of time with him when he was alive. He made efforts to improve his relationship with his Julian many times throughout the 70s and especially before his death.He abandoned Julian for long periods and only at the end of his life, cut tragically short, did he start to make amends. Though there is contention regarding visitation here as John claimed it was Cynthia not letting him visit sometimes but it was mostly John not bothering with it.
I'm not trying to make excuses for the man but taking a grain of truth and exaggerating it and significantly increasing the severity of his actions does no good. It's equally troubling as portraying him as an infallible being would be.
There is a difference between hiting someone once and regretting it for the rest of your life and domestic violence.
He wasn't perfect, he could be very controlling and possessive in his youth and very cruel with his words on quiet a few occasions and definitely had a violent past with men which consisted of his rage manifesting during his binge drinking but his aggression was tempered with the passage of time and he was a very different person toward the end of his life, maybe not perfect but certainly not the monster many make him out to be.
Though the existence and proliferation of this circlejerk on the internet doesn't surprise me, it does upset me. Sure, he was deified following his death and I'm sure he wouldn't be too impressed by it, he had an inkling that it would probably happen despite his wishes. Those who knew him and loved him I'm sure knew better than that. Paul once even commented that John would be made "Martin Lennon King" due to the nature of his death. One can recognize his contribution to popular music and his activism in the late 60s to mid 70s and yet understand that the man wasn't a saint, no one is. Considering the period in history that he lived and where he came from and the perception of domestic violence, it shouldn't really be a surprise how a man from that time would treat women but what is commendable was John's ability to recognize his flaws and recognize the misogyny and chauvinism engrained in society that had imprinted onto him and change, change being the most pertinent quality of his. He used his spots of violence toward women in his younger years to highlight that the treatment of women had to change and that if he had changed so could other men, the only reason we know of his transgressions are because he let them out, no one had to force it out of him, he was incredibly and at times embarrassingly open about himself and his thoughts.
The lack of parents in his life, him not knowing his father throughout his childhood, the death of his uncle, who along with his wife Mimi who had raised him, his mother dying when he was seventeen and the subsequent death of his close friend Stuart Sutcliffe all impacted his psyche very much. He was incredibly troubled throughput his life even when he was faring better but I don't want to diagnose or analyze a dead person's feelings any further than that.
One of the better outcomes of his relationship with Yoko was his adoption and advocacy of feminism and his efforts to overcome his sexist upbringing and attitudes with respect to women, which he did.
Also, Ringo Starr has more and perhaps the only claim to the moniker of "wife beater" than John ever did, by the early eighties both he and his wife were full blown alcoholics and he would get violent toward his wife Barbara Bach, they would get into fights and all kinds of shenanigans. This lifestyle culminated in him thrashing his wife so badly that the housekeepers thought she might have died, following this event both checked into rehab and discarded their old ways but they weren't great parents during that period and Ringo wasn't the best father even during the 70s once again due to his drug addiction but he did change and had the time to change and repair his various relationships and now today, no one would dare accuse him of being "a piece of shit" because look, it's the affable old Ringo but John wasn't afforded the opportunity to grow old, he had forty years and he'd done some things he shouldn't have but nonetheless always strived to be better and succeeded in doing that before his death, however short lived that period may have been, now this is all with respect to his general behaviour and not his violence which had ended a long time before his end.
None of the Beatles were perfect, they were all serial cheaters at various points in their lives, Paul's cheating ended when he got married while George kept repeating it till the end but this doesn't make me hate any of them. They were all humans and haven't committed a cardinal sin that might be harder or impossible to forgive, especially when there are those, especially celebrities that murder, rape and commit all manner of heinous crimes but yet are selectively given a pass. I apologize for the comment being long winded and at times meandering but I felt the need to post it as any mention of John Lennon seems to compel people to accuse him of being a "wife beater" and all around an irredeemable human being, both of which are false.
Everyone on the internet(and I suppose in life in general) is satisfied with knowing one superficial fact about a subject and then purporting to be experts when repeating it over and over and over and over.
People in the UK like to queue. People in Canada say "sorry." Germany was once ruled by Nazis. White girls like pumpkin spice. And John Lennon was a wife beater.
It takes no thought or consideration. You just repeat the phrase and get upvotes.
TL;DR: John Lennon was not a wife beater, had violent tendencies in his youth, wasn't a great father and was emotionally abusive to his first wife and son but made efforts to improve, not that it excuses his behaviour but does help contextualise it. Ringo Starr has more claim to the title of "wife beater". Older Lennon was a different person from younger Lennon. Great artist, less than great person who tried to be better.
And he did change, he was non violent for the last portion of his life.
really interesting interviews thanks 4 putting this up. interesting stuff. of its time probably. in a sense. ⚽️
There's one thing about treating your wife like crap, but your own _child_ who hasn't so much as chosen his middle school subjects? Bloody fucking Hell, Mr Lennon, that's not a fault, that's straight up _evil,_ that is.
OK Mr. holier than thou drama queen. Go listen to Tony Orlando and have a good cry.
Thus were the 60s. Unfortunately this was so common back then. This isn’t an excuse for John either - he should’ve been sent to prison and I’m a massive Lennon fan. Abusers are abusers and giving people like Lennon excuses gives over abusers an excuse
Prison for slapping his wife once?
@@evanpowers6045 what’s the difference between slapping her once or slapping her a thousand times. There was clearly something in him that thought it was okay which needed to be rehabilitated
@@Nathan-rz3up It’s because him doing it once is a mistake abuse is something that happens all the time he apologized for his actions
@@Nathan-rz3up He did it out of jealousy he’s not an abuser for slapping her once
@@evanpowers6045 suppose if he hit her any harder and she died from falling over and hitting her head it was just a mistake? Just cos he apologises doesn’t make his actions right.
He preached exactly what he wasn’t because he wanted change. The bad things he did are inexcusable but it takes a lot to admit you have a problem and to put all you effort into changing if
important passage.
John, life is terrible. I’m not trying to take it for it but still he had no he was never around his mom only for a few years. His dad left him before he could even remember things. His aunt treated him with no respect at all his uncle died. He wasn’t smart and he was brought up into all the fame drugs such young age. then they went to Hamburg and he was 19. he got married to the youngest to avoid having a child before marriage. One of his closest friends died at age 19. I know he didn’t terrible things, but give the guy break. He was so young when all this happened and he was still growing and learning. He was terrible, but in the end he learned from it but sadly, he never got to continue
He only hit Cynthia once , people make it seem like he beats her everyday when they were together , he was state where he couldn’t control himself and just slapped her yes that’s terrible but he never hit her again and she even forgave her after 3 months
Still doesn’t answer for why he cheated on Cynthia with yoko
he also emotionally abused her because he was extremely jealous he couldn't see her talking to another man(he cheated on her multiple times) and he wasn't very present on his son julian life you can feel a little empathy for him okay but he wasn't a really good person you gotta admit that
I started to think he was cursed by someone because he isn't abusive
TY, #CharlesH., for posting. c:
Wow he was human and sinned like we all do.
that's a stupid comment, we all sin, but you have to look at the severity of the sin. Not everyone goes around beating other people, to the point of almost killing them.
if you believe in Jesus he said love one another and love your enemy and turn the other cheek. I don't think that your Jesus would appreciate you telling me to get out of here and calling me a bastard and an unsaved devil, so you prepare yourself to burn in hell too for treating me that way, I am better then you since I didn't offend anyone, I am not religious so I can tell you to fuck off! You can't pick and choose what ever is convenient for you in a stupid bible. Don't you get it? if there is a hell we will all go there, Actual sin is any willful THOUGHT, desire, WORD, action or omission forbidden by the law of God, so there is no way out, if even a simple thought that you don't act upon is considered a sin. And by the way, if you really want to believe all this crap there are different servility of sins, mortal and venial so you're wrong. And Jesus also said let him who is without sin cast the first stone, you are casting stones upon me, for no reason.
arrivagabry yeah he deserved to be killed by a wacko Lordship Salvationist devil as are the over 10000000 by guns in this country since Dec 1980. Oh but the killer gets yearly conjugal visits with his wife and they are involved with a church that believes that you must accept Jesus into your heart so he has really proven he has changed and who wouldn’t want such a evangelical to spread another Gospel with no good news and adding himself on the cross for his sins to Jesus which is a work . If he doesn’t repent and believe upon Jesus for free gift of salvation by grace and faith only he will end up in the lake of fire.
No humans don't nearly kill someone and abuse women
Grant Mcroberts really so all people are perfect and don’t sin and never do any harm to one another. Yes the dumbing down of society proven by you and I give you full credit
The story behind the song Woman was atrocious! Yoko should never had gone back to him after that!
He never hit Yoko though. Also what was the story?
If Cynthia can forgive him why can’t you
Yeah when she’s someone who knew him
Just listen to his music...
He was an angry man, inmature, rebel, a dick sometimes, violent, etc.
But he was a Beautiful person who suffered all his life.
Like "How" says
"How can i give love when i don't know what it is i'm giving?
how can i give love when i just don't know how to give?
how can i give love when love is something i ain't never had?"
You know, nowadays everybody criticize him for what he did...just the bad and stupid Things he did.
But if you really want to understand his chaotic life and personality...just listen to his music.
He was a Beautiful man with a horrible past, dificult life and yes unfortunately a selfish mind.
But How can he go forward when he didn't knew which way facing?
how can he go forward when he didn't knew which way to turn?
Liverpool is a rough blue collar town. I just think he was born high strung. There is not much you can do about it.
What a depressing comment. We may as well all throw in the towel now then. And all give up. Of course people can always do something about any thing. But they have to want to, as John did. It wasn't Liverpool's fault he could be violent. Plenty of people I know that have come from affluent, so called middle class places have been violent. Sometimes to me
Liverpool may be rough in parts, however, John Lennon was not brought up in a rough part of Liverpool, quite the reverse, he lived in a leafy then affluent suburbs, his aunt instilled or tried to instil middle-class values in her nephew.
It was a different time , and thats not an excuse . What was acceptable and what was intolerable were different standards . Im not advocating domestic abuse . Its just not the same anymore.
I often compare this with drunk driving. Back then you were often told to drive home and park it. Even when you were clearly over the limit , which didnt even exist yet. And now we know better. Its the best i can do to describe it
I feel bad about Lennon his parents were divorced after his mother had an affair with a Welsh officer. He never saw religion that much and he never really talk much with his father.
Then it's ok to beat women, eh?
So what we all had that problem but don't go about beating people up
FreeBird0964 - So are you going to make the same excuses for other domestic abusers.
What has religion got to do with anything?
@@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 He slapped her once 😂😂😂
Abandonment issues make a man jealous! Hitting is another story .
To everybody saying that having a rough life is no excuse you’re right but he’s trying to say that he regrets it and he’s admitting to it and he was trying to be better and he did do better so why the fuck are you still coming after his corpse
Look how he lived & treated people as LL facts don't be rude
Hilarious racing all the judgmental comments on here! Lennon admitted his poor behavior and changed his ways! Let me say though, the stuff he talks about is quite tame for that generation. I was a generation after in then UK. Fistfights, misogyny, stereotyping (still very popular) were ubiquitous! What he refers to in his interviews is just him doing a “mea culpa”. He acknowledged it, changed his ways and moved on! For those who judge, perhaps post your own “mea culpa” with all the shit things you’ve done (and there are plenty), then we can line up to condemn you. That’ll be fun,
He knew violence which actually should increase his credibility when it comes to his peace activism.
Being abusive to his first wife? The guy practically confessed to it.
Being abusive towards Yoko Ono? I believe it was the other way around. Yoko Ono was always close to him and she forcibly interfered even in his artistic endeavours. She was smug and bossed him around ..... and the guy seemed to actually enjoy it.
Perhaps he needed that kind of relationship to keep his violent streak in check.
I don't know : it's a sad thing that we're talking about a guy who's not alive to defend himself.
Mercy, mercy, please. It seems John had profound childhood losses. Through his youth, he covered his grief and fears with bravado that often came out as bitter sarcasm and cruel anger. As a young man he would mug drunks and, when one resisted, John beat him severely then feared he'd left the man for dead. His moderate poly-substance use disorder was growing at this time, a disease which he'd try in vain to control. His brilliant wit and songwriting talent enabled him to use the Beatles to build a broad support network which enabled his addictive disease. As his disease became severe he became increasingly violent, seeking bar fights as entertainment with his friend Harry Nillson. He once grabbed Peter Lawford by the collar and put his fist to Lawford's face (Lennon sent an explicit apology the next day which confirms the story). Demonstrating hippie values was a feeble best effort to counter his rage and self-hatred; he was powerless over his childhood grief and illness, and his addictions were enabled by so many people, that he didn't stand a chance. -Doug Pratt, Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
There is no actually way to prove he did any of these things. Just because someone says something doesn't mean they did it. If I said, "Hey, I murdered a bunch of people in my house and buried them in my yard "does that mean that I actually did that ? Only the women and people involved know what he did. Regardless of whatever happened and whatever you want to say about him, you can't say he wasn't talented as an artist/musician and didn't write a lot of great songs for the world. The man's dead. We will never know what actually happened. Let it go with trying to investigate and see every detail of his personal life when you really can't find out anything other than just believing words and statements that are said.
Lennon stated that he decided to choose peace... therefore he chose to inflict physical pain on people previously....
+Sam Virag He did the physical stuff first, Einstein.
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In the film Backbeat he is shown not trying to fight the blokes beating on Stu; was Stu not his mate?
Who is the interviewer of Cynthia?
Yeah he had it so rough.I know many who had it worse and didn't do any of that.But even though i applaud john for admitting this.He didn't exactly change that.He was overly controlling and possessive.He just flat out abandoned his son Jillian and made some very messed up comments regarding the situation.
women hit men John wasn't perfect. He could be a bastard so what; he didn't deserve to be killed, He exagerated to make a point. And he was sincere about peace...
Jason Lee nobody said he deserved to be killed, but that doesn't change that he was a shithead in every way possible, loved his music but didn't love the man inside of him.
Abuse is wrong, no matter what gender you are.
Yeah, those women are just as sick as this guy is.
arrivagabry ...perhaps he had an awakening? I mean, I thought that Christians believed in redemption?
@@arrivagabry He wasn't " a shithead in every possible way". He hit her once and apologized to her, regretted it and never repeated it. He wasn't a great father to his son Julian but he did try to make amends with his him during the 70s and right before his death yet this doesn't excuse him, he had years prior to it said things no child should have to hear from their parent.
half of the commenters must've watched an entirely different video cause they clearly don't get it.
There are people saying he didn’t hit his wife but this video exists 🗿
He never committed any Domestic Abuse. He never beat anyone in a bad way.
1. Slapped his wife Cynthia and guilted her into getting back together with him
2. He tried to kill May Pang by drunkenly strangling her but was saved by one of lennon's friends
3. He beat up a man in 1963
4. He verbally abused Yoko
5. He physically and emotionally abused his sons and even screamed in Julian's ear at one time so bad that Julian lost hearing in that ear
6. Broke up the Beatles
Thank you JPEGMAFIA for letting me know this was an actual thing John used to do. The "All You Need is Love" era really erased his abusive and manipulative behavior. lol How ironic.
John On Violent
Lennon His Past
I'm not saying that it only applies to the music business but I am saying that from the bottom to the top the music / media business is all about abusers and users, and their visibility makes it easy to see.💩 Save your money don't go to the show! Don't feed the animals! They are just show off circus acts, don't encourage them. They are self preeners overcome with their nauseating self love.😤
okay... i see alot of people commenting about john lennon like its their friend or something... just to get things clear John Lennon is JOHN LENNON. He is a man remembered as a legend, he was an artist only by that he was not an ordinary person like you and me... his mind was different than us second he was in the beatles in the biggest band in the world at the time and even today... and final it was a different era... today is the era of people who act like they've just had lobotomy... that was the era where it was more acceptable because he is the man... im not saying thats a good thing but even then and after all of these he regretted his actions and became better... i personally believe after 1968 he got a little insane from drugs and all but even then he is a legend you cant judge him because someone uploaded a video on youtube for you to comment on... like hate other people hate putin or someone else you cant hate the man who wrote so many songs and made so many people happy... but i get it its a time passer when you are bored and got nothing else to do to start a conversation about how bad john lennon was. its an easy thing to talk about because you dont really and i mean "really" think.
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I really can't respect him as anything more than a musician and a political figure. Perhaps he regretted it by he end but somehow he couldn't/couldn't be bothered to tell his wife and son. Maybe, given more time he would, but in his lifetime, I see a selfish violent, scary man and selfish, violent scary men tend to not be very good men.
I agree. He slapped his wife once when they were teenagers, immediately regretted it and apologized to her and never laid a finger on her again but yes he wasn't a great father but he did try to make amends in the 70s and especially right before his death but he wasn't a good father and despite his efforts would have outbursts of anger and say things to Julian that no child should have to hear.