My theory is that Misha himself is the Legacy; his innocence and big dreams is a perfect representation of the intended Penacony experience, and he might be the Watchmaker's descendent.
I had first thought that as well, it's strange that the way the give Misha screen time is minimal and when his character got released it almost like they made is kit very underwhelming. What if the goal was to make him forgettable not just to the characters in game but to us as well. A lot of the reactions I see from the story when he appears with Acheron people say "who is this kid again?" or that hes super bland and forgettable as a character all to slip him under our nose as the Watchmakers Legacy.
Acheron acts as if she is never sure where or "when" she is, which leads me to believe that she perceives space-time in a non-linear way, which explains how she remembers things that apparently haven't happened yet or how she manages to manipulate the Trailblazer's choices towards a specific result.
I saw a comment describing how Finality and I suppose that its Emanators see the world backwards, like our first meeting with Acheron its our last to her. Our past is her future and so on.
@@nightcorewb4949 If our first meeting with Acheron in the story is the end of her story in Penacony, she knows what happens and tears up when warning the Trailblazer of things to come, which really is a foreboding future. She reminded me of River Song in Doctor Who, a character who jumps from different points in time and the first time she gets introduced is supposedly the last leg of her journey and in later episodes she still in the middle of it.
@@nightcorewb4949It reminds me of the narrative arc of the Doctor and River Song (aka "the Doctor's wife") in Doctor Who: the first time he meets her is the last for her because the events of this meeting will lead to her death. Yeah, having a love story involving time travel makes things complicated.
I also wonder about gallagher, he says hes training bloodhounds, but none of the bloodhounds seem to know him, the only one that identifies him doesnt do it because he knows him, but because of the outfit.
Yeah, they go "who is that guy?" when he is brought up. It could be he isn't who he claims to be or has special position amongst the hounds (maybe a secret police or executioner)
I had the same thought, it's also odd how FF and him exchange a look at first and then he adamantly tries to convince everyone she's innocent. The way he says "lovely girl like you" also sounds like it has more to it than meets the eye, like it's sarcastic but could just be the voicing. If he was doing his due diligence as an officer he would at least question her instead of letting her off the hook straight away. It almost seems like he just changed the case records from girl to lad specifically so he could get FF out of situations. If you align with the FF being linked to Sam/Stellaron hunters stuff then he could be a mole for the SHs or be being threatened or something by them.
@@SmashTheAdam Yeah I know what you mean, probably more likely from the bribe/they have something that benefits him angle if he isn't somehow linked to them already
Also in Japanese, SAM uses a form of keigo that is high educated/well mannered often used by women. Even when he says aggresive lines the exact words are not slang/mean or any bad word usually said in such situations by men.
This is the biggest clue actually..thanks for clarifying but still we cant confirm if she’s alive or dead…the Sam we fought could be just an AI assistant and not her
Misha being kept under the radar is intentional writing. Sparkle's whole character theme is being a "red herring," distracting everyone around her through ploys, harsh words, challenges, schemes, etc. We're being misdirected towards a murder mystery when the answer to the Watchmaker's legacy has already been shown to us.
I remember someone else calling attention to the fact that red text has appeared before during Star Rail in 1.0 with Shelia when she goes "off script" and says someone she isn't programmed to say which is an interesting analogy that certainly flew under the radar for a long time
Well, it is interesting because I thought that it was weird that red text did emerge and was confused about the reaction of the nurse when Shelia said full sentences but with red and white text. But ignoring the red text the nurse reaction suddenly makes perfect sense. So, red text is something that the emanator can say to each other but is ignored or unable to be perceived by normal people.
@@inchemaitau6587 Sheila is that android from Herta Space Station and her name and appearance is based on the late lover of the old man who made her. I suggest you peruse the adventure mission yourself if you haven't yet.
@@Relic58 ohh the one we need to teach abt stuffs right? I remember her, but i don't remember the things abt her dialog went red.. guess i gotta search for some videos on it
0:57 The voicelines may be a reference to Honkai Impact 3rd where if you're Stelle, you reminded her to Kiana Kaslana, her bff. If you're Caelus, you reminded her to Kevin Kaslana, the progenitor of Kaslana during Elysian Realm Arc
For me the key is in Stellaron Hunters. From Jepella Rebellion we know a stellaron can assume many forms and names. For Penacony, it's the "watchmaker's legacy". This Stellaron is the reason why Penacony dreamscape is sinking into the primordial water (deep sea). We now suspect that Misha is the grandson of the watchmaker, a nameless. Assuming this is true, then Misha was the one who sent us the encrypted invitation. He wanted to hand over the watchmaker's legacy to the astral express, plot twist, the stellaron is none other than himself. We can see him because MC is also a being of stellaron too. Or I might drunk because it's 3AM
nah, the watchmakers legacy being a diff name for stellaron is actually make sense and interesting. Or it could have stellaron inside it. you may be onto something here..
I think it's notable that Sam's armor design shares elements with Firefly's dress, specifically having an "x" shape near the chest (pronounced when Sam activates the flames on his armor) and their color schemes of orange and teal. The difference between the gray of Firefly and Sam's shiny silver armor could show that he's her fully realized power, or that she sees Sam as the ideal she couldn't reach on her own.
@@Dondingo4 I know this is supposed to be a funny comment, but Sam's fire powers might actually link them to Firefly, I think she once mentions something about fireflies being attracted by fire/flames 🤔
Yep, it is also mentioned in the Russian translation of text It is very much possible that Misha was named after his grandfather. Express crew also had a task from Pompom to see what happened to some Nameless who decided to stay in the Penacony in the past, so I am sure we will hear about him again
I remember that too. I played in KR voicelines and English dialogue so I was confused when they said 'Grandpa' but was written 'Mikhail.' My first thought was that Firefly was saying this, as she said she lost her family in one of the cutscenes. It might be Misha's grandfather, the Nameless.
I stitched together a theory about why only we can see Clockie, and possibly, the same with Misha. It’s the stellaron. Something about it is making us see what shouldn’t be. Whereas Clockie said he could only be seen by those with the honesty, innocence and kindness of a child, maybe the creations themselves do not know its true reason. Misha… despite being human, he cannot be seen by others for possibly the same reasons. The “Imaginary” aspect of Clockie and the origami birds make sense but Misha is an enigma.
Wait that lullaby in Black Swan trailer is the Beijing Nursery Rhymes "Eight Bald Head" mostly known "10 rabbit". Yes this the same nursery rhyme Hu Tao sing in her idle animation (non ENG ones)
14:11 but also Sunday and Sparkle act as if Robin's truly dead - which had me so confused about dying in Penacony in the first place. After all, if Robin had merely woken up, why would Sunday be grieving and speaking about bringing judgement on who killed her? And Sparkle say that she's "a goner"? Why do we have to wait so long for the next update for the quest ahhhhh
@@HandleWithKerr Yeah that means that she may still be alive, but in severe danger in the dreamscape, which could be a threat in reality. Do you think it’s possible that if you die in the dream, you die outside of it as well?
@@danalynch118 My thought was 'spiritual death' is succumbing so deeply into the dream it becomes impossible to wake up in reality, essentially rendered dead and imprisoned like the boss fight. And the threat to Penacony is that the entire dreamscape is 'sinking' into this state.
"Cosmic Star" side quest shows that it is possible to put people who are already dead into the Dreamscape. Maybe Robin and Firefly were both just memories living their second lives? It's a weak theory, but this whole thing really reminds me of that one Black Mirror episode (San Junipero).
I found a few interesting parts when analysing the quest about Firefly. 1) Firefly mentioned the message on the invitation letter. If she's a stowaway, I don't think she would get one. Does that mean she read someone's invitation letter, or got one herself? 2) She also introduced herself as a stage performer. What if it's all just a performance?
If shes connected to Sam (or even is directly Sam), and Sam's a Stellaron Hunter, and Stellaron Hunters got invites too then she knew what was written on the letter. The letter invited only the 5 of stellaron hunters, as they didnt know firefly exists. Thats why when she entered the dream as herself, not as Sam(she didnt need to use his body, but he somehow can use it without her), she said she's a stowaway, because she wasnt directly invited.
What if she calls herself a stage performer because she knows she has a "role" to play in all of this? Maybe her apology before her death was for putting us through the pain of losing her, because she knew she'd have to follow the script and leave the stage here (at least for now, in case she didn't really die) 🤔
Not to mention, in that conversation, she mentions the Masked Fools, the Family, The Garden, the Nameless, how everyone has their own agendas, but happens to exclude the Stellaron Hunters. How did this little girl even know about the invitation itself, let alone all these people that was invited? Let's not forget she asked us "why do people choose to sleep? I think... It is because they're afraid to wake up from the dream." This was the question asked in the invitation encoded to only specific individuals (Welt didn't even notice this encoded part of the message till Himeko told him). So... why does Firefly know about this encoded part of the invitation? Elio always has a "script" that the Stellaron Hunters act on, perhaps that's what she meant by her being a stage performer?
I want to talk about the concept of "Finality", one of the most important recurring themes in Hoyoverse as well as a meta-narrative approach of the character of Acheron and Raiden Mei. Finality, The End or simply Destiny, sounds ominous but in actual fact as Raiden Mei herself said: "Origin is an End and Finality is a Beginning", it simply means that when one thing ends, another one starts, Finality and Origin are both sides of the same coin. Acheron is HSR's version of Raiden Mei, who is the Herrscher of Origin, interestingly they made a twist and she's now the other side of the coin, Finality. As Acheron said: "May death be the end of your boundless dream... guiding you back... to the waking world." Acheron is invoking Finality/Origin with death being the return to waking life. I personally think we are in an Inception like event and Acheron is here to end it, even the "reality" layer of Penacony is another dream. Nobody has died IRL and is just dead in one of the countless layers of dreams. Firefly and Robin are playable characters so it kind of spoils their "death". All Raidens are the equal and opposite counterpart to a Kaslana, which in HSR is the Trailblazer, made apparent with their Kaslana Bat, a "family heirloom" that has been around for over a decade of Hoyoverse games. There's some kind of overarching meta themes that they are clearly trying to tell us about Finality/Origin and Raiden/Kaslana with not just the dialogue asking if we remember her, but also in the 2.0 dev stream with the writer straight up telling us that we might remember Acheron from another game; Clearly hinting at Acheron being a version of Raiden Mei, which for us long time Honkai players will undoubtedly make the connection. Acheron's dialogue is written in a way that invokes the memories of Honkai 3rd players and asks us to make speculations on what she is trying to do. Her dialogue to female Trailblazer sounds like she remembers you as Kiana Kaslana and male Trailblazer as Kevin Kaslana, in fact she also quotes Yae Sakura who imparted her some ways of the sword, more meta-narrative elements. Unlike Genshin which is based on Honkai but is unconnected to the Honkai universe, existing as a separate bubble universe, HSR is a direct sequel to Honkai 3rd, and it seems they are really starting to draw the connections now beyond just Welt and maybe Loucha. So basically for HSR only players, Archeron is kinda mysterious, but for HI3rd players, there are even more layers of mystery because of the additional context that is being used to manipulate our impression of her. And Finality is the end of the current period as well as the start of the next, all things must end therefore Finality is the the one true Destiny.
this is such a good read, even though genshin is kinda separated I think it still kinda fits with the raiden expy there being the archon of eternity, just like how the finality is a beginning and the origin is an end, eternity is all about change which would be what's between the beginning and the end
@@odisleftpaw5663 Yea for Genshin they are taking the Raiden/Kaslana relationship in a different way, instead of partners, they are now enemies. To dive deeper, Finality and Origin is not just a 2 sided coin, there's actually something in between the 2 faces, Truth. Raiden Mei is the equal and opposite counterpart to Kiana Kaslana, the most important character of Hoyoverse. Kiana represents Finality and Mei represents Origin. Bronya is the 3rd most important, representing Truth, together they are the Hoyoverse's most important Trio. Kiana who represents Hope became the Herrscher of Finality, a point in the Future. Raiden who represents Destiny becomes the Herrscher of Origin, a point in the Past. At the same time Bronya became the Herrscher of Truth, the Eternal search for Truth lies in the Present. Bronya is the one who keeps Kiana and Raiden in balance. And how is this represented in Genshin? We've already seen Kiana as the Unknown God, Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, in short Destiny itself. And we have Raiden as the God of Eternity, which is said to be the one thing closest to the Heavenly Principles, they are the closest enemies now instead of partners. And Bronya is almost 100% going to be the Cryo Archon, who is rebelling against the Heavenly Principles. You can see that the Trio now seems to be thematically related again. To summarise: Hope/ Finality/ Future Destiny/ Origin/ Past Eternity/ Truth/ Present You need Hope to overcome Finality in the Future, your Destiny has been decided since your Origin in the Past, but you must overcome the Eternal Present to find the Truth. This is basically the most important set of themes across all of Hoyoverse and is shifted around to fit the stories of each game. These themes are visually displayed and then spoken in dialogue in HI3rd chapter 35, the final chapter of HI3rd Part 1. The characters were in a dreamlike space with a train station, the current platform is Eternity, the lines to the left and right are Hope and Destiny. EDIT: This made me realise, if Heavenly Principles is Destiny, Raiden is Eternity, then Tsaritsa is Hope.
What a great analysis. I'm almost disappointed I dropped HI3 very early since its battle system isn't my thing at all. It's actually sad though if HI3 knowledge will be that valuable and not just a fanservice.
There's an interesting thing most players didn't notice: at least with the Japanese audio, you can hear Robin's voice GLITCHING for a second during her first time talking to us (in The Reverie, reality; I think it was her reply to March 7th, iirc).
Thank you for this info! I didn't hear anything in the Chinese audio, but it is completely possible I overheard it, as I don't speak Chinese. Was so confused when they commented on her voice not being in top shape later...
I was wondering about this as well!! I recall Welt and March 7th mentioning how weird her voice condition is, which March 7th then concluded that it's just the life of a superstar. Does that mean the Family just has an android copy of Robin or something? Did they foresee Robin dying? Was she some kind of bait for the death meme, similar to Firefly? So many questions and no answers... :")
I would also like to point out that the companion mission was actually a memory that happen before this Penacony event. Meaning that it happened in the past, thats why we never met the real Sampo in the main story because the real Sampo possibly is not around Penacony anymore. (especially after scamming 10 people)
@@crubat9429 I think you forget that Mr Something (I don't remember that eye name) is showing the memories of the past. Even though this mission is located after trailblaze mission, it does not mean it's happening after since our mc is browsing inside the memories of past not future.
When Acheron said “your sight will only see black and white” and “in that monochrome world, there will be a glimpse of fleeting red”, it immediately reminded me of her splash art. Maybe that is how she sees the world?? Just a wild speculation.
I am glad you pointed out about elio. So many people are too busy with firefly death and forget that if firefly is indeed sam, elio would have shared everything that will transpire in penacony much like how elio did to kafka in luofu.
Elio doesn't share "everything", he gives people a "script", but as Kafka herself mentions at the start of the game, stuff can happen off-script as well that may not matter for the final result.
not everything just enough to achieve the intended future, elio wouldn't mention anything that would clash with what he believes needs to happen. That's why nobody knows his motives they just do what he says
About Misha... A voice saying the name "Mikhail" and the voices we hear in the memory zone maze with Firefly (the one that filled with a lot of words in the air) is the same as Misha's voice 😢 The room is so creepy ngl. And I also felt strange because the others didn't seem to pay attention to Misha... He gets special attention from me 😔
21:08 My thought exactly about Firefly What a freaking twist in the heart if she did all that only because Elio told her to, much like Kafka on the Luofu, only to get the Trailblazer to act a certain way according to the script. I mean Silverwolf is the one who set us up in the first place. It would make sense of Sparkles "warnings" of us being gullible.😭😭😭
Silver Wolf said that Sam likes a fair fight. I don't think someone that is fair would betray Firefly like that, or at least lead her to be killed instead of killing her himself. I believe that Sam that betrayed Firefly was actually Sparkle.
Could very well be Sparkle, as she was the one to have sent us and firefly to that place to begin with, it also seems that she knew that SUD was there When mimicing Sampo she made it clear that she doesn't like Firefly at all And the fact that she said that someone had died AGAIN while Sunday didn't say anything that would hint at that even, shows that she knew about either Robin's or Firefly's death already So she could easily enter that area, Pretend to be Sam, and Betray her, she could've also then pretended to be SUD and kill Firefly I mean that thing just went straight to the kill back then unlike that first time we have met him.
I doubt it was sparkle. I believe Sam was trying to save her by leading her to a dead end, then facing the meme head on. That’s why he stood in the same place firefly died. He realized firefly escaped and he blazed through the entire dreamscape (hence the dead enemies) just to find a puddle of goo. When we see him for the first time, he was gripping an enemy and seemingly distraught and angry, as if knowing she was killed by the meme.
15:00 Oh black swan Lullaby is the ten rabbit story xD. It talks about the other rabbits killing rabbit 5 to heal 1. Rabbit 2 was in love with 9 so he sends the others rabbit to use 5 as medicine. 6 died because it was just next to 5 when it happened. Finally 9 cries because it loves 5 and 10 comforts her (some say 10 planned this because it loves 9 too) Is a huge conspiracy and use to represent death, the original text even looks as grave if i recall correctly.
For 17:33 I can confirm at least for the CN version they only said "Punish her". The gang members never mentioned Misha. Not very sure about the JP version...but it doesn't sound like they mentioned the word "him" either.
That's odd because in his character story, he interacted with a group of adventurers and asked them about their adventures. And they actually replied to him too. And the only thing he said when he met the Trailblazer in the Gallery of Thoughts was "You remember me? I'm glad", which could mean he didn't feel too bad not being seen but was just pleasantly surprised he was remembered. Maybe he only appears to people he's interested in talking to? In that case, I wonder why he was with Acheron before they were rescued by the Trailblazer.
@@nanhaoshangfeng It could be that the character story is something that happened a long time ago before Misha became the way he is now, or maybe the Misha we saw now is not even the real him. Misha's situation is very odd as you said and it makes me think he may just be some "memory"or remnant of the real Misha or of Misha's "grandfather". Your guess about how he can control who sees him is possible too. Maybe in this case it was Acheron who approached Misha because she somehow sensed him (without actually seeing him).
It's possible he has a really forgettable presence that only one attuned to the memoria can pick up, like he does actually exist but his presence is so faint people with less sensitivity do not notice. Acheron has a higher sensitivity than Firefly and we have the highest sensitivity @@nanhaoshangfeng
During the Express crew gathering on the topic of the renovating hallway leading to the dreamscape, no one mentioned seeing a bellboy. I think this is also a deliberate hint for the existence of Misha.
Acheron's red lines in Penacony are randomly picked among 3 different lines, and you can change them if you disconnect during the conversation to restart it. For example, when Black Swan and Trailblazer met her in the Reverie Dreamscape, she had reached here either like in this video, investigating rumors of Penacony, OR she was chasing after a criminal that the Bloodhound family had asked for her help, OR she had clashed with Sparkle and got sent here. Another example is how she first met Black Swan. In this video, she said that she had spotted Black Swan following her, but in other 2 scenarios, one is that Black Swan invited her for a dance, and the other one is that Black Swan invited her to go out for a drink. Like someone had said above, the red text happened before during Guide Paradox quest in Herta SS. When Sheila was malfunctioned, what she was not scripted to say were in red text, so I think both Acheron and Trailblazer was doing something out of someone's script. But whatever happened in the red text, Acheron would always help us kick Aventurine out of our room, meet Black Swan before getting rescued by Firefly and Traiblazer in Golden Hour, and meet Black Swan and Trailblazer again in the Reverie Dreamscape. Various scenarios also mean that Acheron probably went through the this multiple time, suggesting a time loop is happening at Penacony. That makes the Dreamscape sequence on the Astral Express is the loop rewinding itself before starting anew, and because of that we could heard conversations that had not happened between people we had not met.
Also the way Firefly describes Sampo when we first met "him" in Penacony. "That way of walking doesn't leave footprints...." "I reckon he has experience using knives, like a short sword or dagger...." I might be talking non-sense but to me, getting these details isn't something anyone can do easily
You're right, they made a clear point of her describing the threat so vividly. Imagine any other character there and they wouldn't describe "Sampo" in so much detail on how dangerous they are and in what way. She also mentions that a baseball bat isn't an efficient weapon in a very matter of fact way before stammering and saying something else in the clocky scene when you pick the bat option. She has formal combat/espionage training of some sort, potentially SH related.
Fun fact about the red text actually, after the first meeting the dialogue of the red text changes for the players. When Acheron comes into the room in my game she said that she was jesting and was there because she said Aventurine go inside, while on my friend's account he said that Acheron actually thought it was her room and that she even double checked the room number before speaking up. And there were other instances too like when we talk to her after meeting clockie (how she met Blackswan for the first time) and meeting her again in the Dreamscape Reverie (she had different reasons for her being there, like in mine she said that she was helping the Bloodhound family look for a wanted criminal).
Oh! You're right! I remember now when Acheron wandered into our room she said she was suspicious of the way Aventurine lurks near our room and tailed him (or something along those lines)!
Having all these factions and their representatives all gather at Penacony is really enjoyable to see unfold. Lots of intrigue, personal drama, mystery, and a possible unknown "third party" masterminding behind the scenes on the planet of festivities. Even more so, the representatives may have their own personal reasons for being there that may not align with their faction's interests as hinted by Black Swan in regards to Sparkle. Definitely can't wait to see how this story plays out. Already much more interesting and engaging than compared to Xian Zhou plot.
Wow I didn't know that Acheron can forcefully change our choices, I was always complying with her since I really do trust her at that time so I never opposed to her sayings lol.
Can't wait to learn more about Acheron. Such a mysterious character, and I feel like she'll give us lots of lore on the Aeons. Definitely getting Finality/Nihility vibes from her for sure! Wouldn't be surprised if we end up fighting her at some point down the road either. . . . A moment of silence for our dear Firefly as well. She lit up the dark night. One can only hope that dying in a dream does not equate to a true death in real life.
You had interesting proves (that i haven't thanked of, but i agreethat it makes sense) for sam and firefly basically being the same person (at least in the reality and outsideof dreamscape). But i also have another prove that kinda confirms it. The sam that we saw had firey asthetic with red color scheme. But the sam that we saw in v2.0 trailer (MV), had asthetics that looked like firefly and had green color scheme (the same shade of green on firefly's cloth). Also i didn't really understand if you talked about firefly's true intentions so i talk about what i think. Firefly actually wanted to die to the meme to somehow get to watchmakers' legacy. The first time that we encountered "death", firefly squeezed her fist but then gave up, maybe because she didn't wanted to resist and wanted to die to the meme, but then black swan saved her. The second time (when she was supposedly "killed") at the last second she said "I'm sorry". Perhaps it was part of her plan to be killed, but she apologized to us because we were going to lose her. And the rest you said it. Sam actually locked her in the room because it knew that firefly wanted to die to the meme and wanted to save her (which if sam is actually firefly's armor, it makes so much more sense that it wanted to save her)
Definitely missed these big theory videos. I'm especially interested in Misha. I believe he will definitely play a bigger role in upcoming content for Penacony. His pupils are shaped as lock holes, he has a theme with clocks and time, his name being a diminutive version of Mikhail, and his grandfather being a Nameless are only some of the details I noticed, and glad to see I wasn't just overthinking things. He may even have some "connection" with the Watchmaker itself, whether it's a person, group, or maybe just a concept. ♡
Thank you for pointing out all these intricacies, as usual I missed most of them so I deeply appreciate the time and consideration put into these videos.
15:07 there’s this one emoscape quest where you meet a former Nameless (she should be at Dream’s Edge near the other Dreamweavers) and in that quest you recover a garbled text that, when decrypted, is about the victims of the Memetic Entity ‘Something Unto Death’ (how they were all different species, genders, backgrounds, and even in different Moments of the Dreamscapes at the time before being abducted). It is also mentioned that the witnesses/last people that saw those victims had all undergone a memory erasure procedure. I can’t really remember if she mentions if the document was new, but if it was something old and historic, then maybe the Memetic Entity was always something lurking within the memoria. The memory wipe was not really explained, but there were two IPC guards knocking on her door at the Reverie Hotel (Reality) so maybe it could have been a psyops by them. Not the first time they’ve messed with the Dreamscape (you will be missed, Chadwick).
I think the part about IX and Nihility makes sense during the 2.0 MV as well, a number of people mentioned about the black hole behind Acheron crying So many details
Also there is a pop up quest from pompom that makes pompom said like he miss someone who was a Nameless from the past, about something that the nameless has done and waiting for ( oh god i just realised how important the word her or him in this interaction ) the nameless to comeback to express.
I think Robin is fully dead and the "alive" Robin we see across the place is Sparkle. Throughout the quest, people keep bringing up how bad Robin's singing voice is, which is weird because she's a big pop star. Also, there are a couple of side quests that show that it's possible for a dead person to show up in Penacony through immersing their memories (or other people's memories of them) in the dreampool.
i'm not sure. there's a memory bubble i think? of someone who went to an event that involved the family and almost ended up brainwashed because one of the members used a similar technique to robin at the start of us entering the dreamscape. it wouldn't be surprising if she could manipulate powers or harness the ability similar to that of the members in the memory bubble in connection to xipe, using it on tour to allure more people to come and join the family. me thinks her death is staged; maybe even a ploy by aventurine and her to get the trailblazer on their side to take down the family's secretive nature
Robin does at the end of the story, she wasn't dead the whole time. Sunday's interaction with Sparkle at the end should have been clear indication that no way the Robin we see before then was Sparkle.
Wrong because Sparkle as Sampo would have known who March 7th was when Sampo first encounters us at the bar in the Golden Hour. Robin gets fully acquainted with the entire Astral Express crew upon clearing up the invitation problem when checking into the hotel in the lobby. If Sparkle was Robin at that time, when she was experiencing vocal issues in the real world, she would have known Firely was not March 7th and worried about blowing her cover as Sampo during the encounter.
Acheron seems like the Emanator of Nihility. Why? Because IX is a sentient black hole, where Time and Space blend in such a way that being inside the singularity of a black hole locus, its absolute center, would distort your entire perception of everything around you. Time and Space would lose all meaning, which is what Nihility is. Nihil means 0, you become the origin and only the origin where nothing else matters. Nihility is the concept of accepting that universally, everything deserves its right to exist but to what end, it honestly does not matter because there is no meaning derived to what goes on in the universe. The reason why I am convinced that Acheron is IX's Emanator is because she is constantly losing her sense of direction and constantly misunderstanding the sequence of events. Her armor and the detailing of her sword are emblazoned with a sigil of Nihility. She has a blood debt that can never be repaid despite her need for vengeance, probably because she has the power of resetting things back to a null/0 state when she attacks things with the blade of her sword; when she would need to use it to kill her target, it would essentially reset them back to a certain point of time prior, this is probably why she can't use her blade directly, that it probably comes at the cost of her losing her memory or information of her goal with use. She probably has to pick and choose wisely for which opportunities are necessary to be used. Relative to the Memokeepers and Remembrance, a black hole literally does not let information escape it, so it would be the best place and theme to prevent someone like Black Swan from keeping their scrying eyes on Acheron. As for the whole red light reference filling the monochrome world, light that is being absorbed by the gravity of a black hole becomes what is called "red shifted"; it essentially loses most of its energy to a black hole and becomes the very last lights we can see of a thing in its existence as it fades away; metaphorically, this is what IX represents, a lack of energy, an apathy to the world because everything around it slows down and nothing "interesting" or distinct will ever occur again. This is probably why Nihility is the debuff and damage over time class of character, because you are doing everything in your power to inhibit the enemy while also doing the least amount possible damage because eventually, everything will meet the same end and ultimately not matter. Side note, the metaphor of the events transpiring as "bubbles upon water" is also a reference to Raiden Shogun's philosophy on eternity, where everything else is meaningless in a pit of nothingness, these are/were the tenets of her belief: Nothingness, Stillness, Eternity which are then represented in the three phases of her magatama inside her Eye of Stormy Judgment which also look like a black hole swallowing up everything, and the contour of the eye being the shape of the sigil of Nihility. She also folows the same story beats about waking from the eternal dream, especially when Acheron mentions that Firefly has now awoken from her dream "May death be the end of your boundless dream... Guiding you back... to the waking world." "Waking world you seem Woven of the stuff of dreams All shall fade away" Also side note without going too far into detail as this is long enough as is with reference to Honkai Impact 3rd: Herrscher of Origin, nuff said.
Damn, your deductive abilities are so high that you realize it all.Actually, from the reliable leak I got, Acheron is indeed the emanator of the nihility as you said .It is said that she was born from nothingness therefore she has no past, no identity, and no friends either of course. Pretty much symbolizes the concept of nihility by having emptiness in her life Even the model for Acheron's ultimate is a black hole Based on the reliable leak I got., If you don't remember at the end of trailer 2.0 you can see when Acheron is crying behind her there is a shadow of something,And yeah it's definitely a black hole... This further strengthens that she is most likely the emanator of IX the nihility .
Except Adventurine calls her the "Emanator of Finality and Death". The Finality is a nonplayable (so far, maybe in the future?) path corresponding with Terminus. The Aeon that moves backward in time and presides over the Path of Finality. The apparition travels across the universe while murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled.
I remember in HI3, Kiana is on the train. As the train speeds, it resembles the HSR train too. Also, Kiana needs to control her Herscherr power before returning to Earth, needs several years... What if???
I feel like many people forget that black swan can interrupt the meme other than acheron. But she didn't do it and if u play close attention to the cutscene u can see that the MC and acheron expression is shocked while black swan is composed as if it's expected. I speculate that black swan most likely in cahoots with stellaron hunter. Stellaron hunter seek watchmaker legacy while black swan seek unique memories. Stellaron hunter might strike a deal like they will first obtain the watchmaker legacy and in doing so they would most likely encounter unique memories as well and they will trade the unique memories with black swan. I don't see the reason why black swan would refuse such offer in case they struck that kind of deal. Firefly might attempt to get killed by the meme in front of the MC In doing so her death will connect to various people in penacony death. The meme might also have some relation to the watchmaker. In doing so she might get the watchmaker legacy and the MC might try to save her in result saving everyone in the process. Also if u pay close attention after firefly death and in her memories retracing part why does black swan kept trying to say firefly is dead it's like she is trying to lead us to believe firefly is dead. Those might be one of the condition of black swan deal with stellaron hunter is. This speculation have no proof other than close observation. So this might not actually what happen but there is the possibility of it happening.
Some of the red text have three or four variations of she describing what happened, some speculates she is able to perceive alternate timelines, like she said she felt many TB has given their distinct answer at the same time when you first met her A channel “Oinka” has a variation compilation.
This was a great video. Prior to watching it I had my doubts about the Acheron moving backwards in time thing but this video changed my mind. It's interesting to think about how we'll never be able to ask her if her mission was successful because the only version of her who could answer that question was the very first one we met.
Not only are Misha's pupils keyholes, but the doors to the rooms in the hotel and many windows in Golden Hour are also keyhole-shaped, in fact the exact same shape and proportions.
Misha is definitely related to the watchmaker. Each character's techniques all make sense to me EXCEPT Misha. He stops time and the only ones we know to be able to mess with time besides him is Welt possibly Acheron who are both very powerful. Although the story wants to focus on Acheron and Firefly at the moment, Misha is the one that catches my attention the most as I noticed the exact same things about him not being noticed and his reaction when saying we remember him.
Also, in Black Swan’s trailer, didn’t she mention “We think we are facing the present and the future, but fail to realize we are all moving towards the past.”
5:56 this already happened before, when the first time MC took Nanook's gaze (Belobog story pieces flashed) before eventually the Stellaron inside MC went unstable. 8:27 before this, Sam clearly identified Acheron as Galaxy Ranger (along with Black Swan as Memokeeper), so I'd say Aventurine might have lied. Sam didn't even mentioned MC because as we know, MC grown up with Stellaron Hunters (Kafka companion mission) so it's natural he also familiar with MC. also Misha's 4* Lightcone really speaks a lot about his connection to Astral Express (the hand holding the pass might be his grandfather..could be Welt too)
note that Sampo's mask being off of Jarilo VI means that... well, he was off of Jarilo VI at some point. Jarilo VI has been locked and isolated by the Stellaron for hundreds of years. Nobody could get out. It's why the Express crew had to go planetside, they couldn't leave until the thing was sealed. It seems more likely that he was trapped there with everyone else than him being a Belobog native with a way to leave and come back. Was passing by, got locked in by the Stellaron like the Express was and came to like the place. So... where is Sampo from?
If you squint at the background of his character splash art, it looks lot like a bustling night time city scape which from what we know so far would only point to... Penacony! I remember someone theorizing about this in twitter too
Something interesting about Firefly's death is that when the trailblazer catches her and it shows her face, you see a yellow orb leaving her body and moving upwards. Even when it zooms out again, you still see that yellow orb floating upwards. Also about that yellow orb if you google firefly and look at the pictures that is what a firefly looks like. It is the hint that she didn't die. When Sam scanned Acheron he called a Galaxy Ranger and they do seem to be on hostile terms. I don't think he would get that wrong. Adventurine is a gambler so how much of what he told us is truthful. He needs the trailblazers help so he'll say anything to accomplish that goal.
It's also interesting how the only way we can shock Aventurine in the whole quest with a choice is by mentioning Acheron was with us at the end, and he comments that that makes things more interesting. Like it didn't align with his impression of her intentions, or that you have at least him and her trying to be near/get stuff out of you
@@Tom-101 Ah, I was mistaken I suppose. The Red then may have been SAM bursting free to go on his rampage while the lights Acharon is 'guiding' are Firefly herself...... or it could just be Acharon being a nice and dutiful sheperd of death xD
About misha : My personal theory is that he IS the watchmaker AND the nameless, he say that his grandfather was but he "is" the grandfather in question, someone or something locked his memory to make him believe that he is the watchmaker grandchild
I was thinking Sampo coming to Penacony to get his mask back might have happened in the past, before the Jarilo-VI story, since we learn about it in a memory bubble left by Black Swan who met the real Sampo on Penacony before, but we can't seem to run into him anymore while we are exploring. So he came to Penacony to get his mask then went back to Jarilo-VI to play his part in solving the crisis from behind the scenes with his full power and entertain the player like the elation dictates him to do, but right now he isn't on Penacony anymore. All the people mentionning a blue haired guy on Penacony probably just ran into Sparkle disguised as him just like we did, maybe she even did it on purpose just to drop a few NPCs here and there that would lead us to think that Sampo is on Penacony when in fact he isn't, this would be possible considering Sampo is capable of breaking the 4th wall and seemingly knows about us playing the game, so maybe Sparkle knows just as much. And all that just for fun because it's masked fools we are talking about and that's what I love about them :D
I personally feel this adds on to the Hivemind theory of Harmony, since Xipe and the Family's lore seem to give off a lot of hints that it's some kind of gated community or hivemind of sorts. Maybe when you "Die" in the Dreamscape, it is not your physical body that dies but more of your "Self" or identity that dies when it gets integrated into the hivemind or whatever. So the people that "died" still exist but aren't their individual selves anymore.
It was obvious from the beginning that Misha isn't just Misha. I don't think it's a common knowledge that "Misha" and "Mikhail" are basically the same in some slavic languages but I got luck to be this knowledge bearer. :D My guess he IS a Watchmaker "in disguise" (knows he this fact or not). All about him is about time, keys, clocks... he's even described as a very talented when it comes to fixing watches and referes to watches as living creatures. He's a key figure definitely. Either Watchmaker of an entity that somehow holds Watchmaker's legasy inside him somehow. Or he is a legacy.
Also we know Topaz will show up on the Penacony, Knights of Beauty and Everflame Mansion were invited by unlikely to attend, the Family has barely made any moves, I’m expecting a few new players to join in Penacony
The For Tomorrow's Journey light cone leak for 2.2 is prolly good for the MISHA case: There's a dude sitting on the bed of the astral express. It wouldn't be farfetched to assume he's related by blood to Misha in some way. We already have theories about how Misha is related to "Mikhail" and the Watchmaker, who walked the path of the trailblaze. We also know Misha has a suspicious time stop ability in his kit and that the cartoon characters of Penacony can see him. The little boy is as suspicious as ever
Herta is an Emanator! She emanates so much Kuru kuru, it became a song! Acheron is an Emanator! She emanates so much red in her lines that she awakened the Honkai in Star Rail!
My HC Is Misha being the watchmakers legacy and his grandfather being akivikki would be crazy I think he might also host a stelleron thats why only the mc knows about him also the mf can freeze time via technique he is also trapped in 20:02 penocony because of a “promise” and his techniques name is called dream prison with might actually be the case
That point about Sam using his fire to sustain Firefly inside of him is something I haven't considered before. Especially that fire is high entropy to counter entropy loss.
The variation of Acheron response when you play with Caelus/Stelle is a refference from Honkai Impact 3rd. If you play with Caelus, she seems to talk about Kevin, and if you play with Stelle she talks about Kiana. Also, the quote that she says after "that incident": "No compassion for the enemy, for that is cuelty upon yourself...", is from Yae Sakura in the Elysian Realm arc.
Acheron is the most interesting character so far. I was just wondering why Acheron and Black Swan tried to calm down the Trailblazer after Firefly died. Is he/she going to get out of control like what happened on Space Station?
17:30 I can't recall where but another video confirmed that they do say "her" in CN at least. Wouldn't be surprised as the EN localization has had some issues like this. Great video! Good cookin, looking forward to watching your more recent ones and for further 2.1 analysis
You can find a thing in a hallway in the dream hotel which also contains red text and considered to be very dangerous, you get the options of turning it over to the family, keeping it, or leaving it where you found it. Also I suspect that Acheron, like her previous iterations, has multiple personalities in her; unsheathing her sword I believe would give complete control to the "other" personality which is why she keeps it sheathed.
Extra info: - in the Penacony (reality) lobby, if you interact with the landline phone (dreamphone), you can connect with different dream zones of Penacony. Do it continuously and there will be a red dialogue popping up warning you not to contact Moment of serenity.
I like the idea that Firefly stays inside of Sam to counteract her Entropy Loss Syndrome, but she tells us that in real life she is essentially trapped into a cold cage, and that the Dreamscape allows her to free herself from that cage. Also, other things to take into consideration, is that Firefly is allegedly from the Iris Family. In the 1.6 livestream, Sunday himself says that. But then at the end of the 2.0 quesline, he still calls her a stowaway? Is it possible that she was actually banished from Penacony? If so, why? And still from the 1.6 livestream, we know that Acheron is actually a VIP guest at the Reverie. So why would she have to kill Duke Inferno and steal his invite as Aventurine put it, since she doesn't need an invite at all to enter the hotel? Did Aventurine lie to us? And on top of that, I highly doubt that the Duke is dead whatsoever. He's an energy lifeform, who are extremely hard to kill as we've seen with Heliobi but also as we've been told during the 1.6 missions. Surely Aventurine knows that, right? Is it possible that he simply lied entirely about the Duke being dead? Or did he simply make a wild guess about Acheron being the one who attacked him? He did say that it was "too good of a coincidence", implying that it is in fact a guess. Which means that Acheron was perhaps not the one who attacked the Duke.
We can speculate about who and why killed the Infernal Duke, as its up to the viewer/player to choose if they want to trust Adventurines wild tale spin. But the Infernal Duke being dead, is something that under "normal circumstances" we could probably easily verify. Meaning that, if you had complete & total control over your in-game actions, you could go to Himeko & Welt and ask if this is true. You could contact Silverwolf or Kafka if they heard anything. You could go asking within the hotel lobby or ask Sunday. Or you could actually message Topaz and ask her to verify this through her own IPC connections. I mean, we're free to speculate about a lot of things, but some of the information has to be taken at face value. Not because we don't have any possible way to verify this through the game mechanics (which we don't) but because we're supposed to feel like "Oh this is a piece of information that can be easily double checked that it would make such an outlandish lie to say it out loud" kind of way. Makes sense?
About the red text... I been watching a lot of people playthroughs and different people gotten different red text through their playthrough.. the hotel part I know has either Acheron saying she saw your door open and the commotion OR she saw Adventurine enter the room first and then she saw you. The same thing with Acheron and Misha and the whole Black Swan part.
My prediction for Firefly: She's still alive but we have to free her from Death's grasps. At some point of the story she will reveal herself to be Sam or at least the person behind Sam and the Sam we fought is an AI controlling the armor. At the end of the story, Firefly reveals to the trailblazer that she have completely lost her physical body to her condition meaning that once she wakes up she will be gone, she then says her final goodbye to us and disappears from reality, what is left of her is the armor that is Sam that will serve as a reminder to us that Firefly once existed.
Interesting how the quotes from Acheron to Stelle or Caelus seem to be referencing Kiana and Kevin Kaslana respectively, which is interesting since Acheron is not supposed to be Mei. Also, if she's an Emanator of Finality, it mirrors Kiana who becomes the Herscherr of Finality in Honkai Impact.
I think Firefly and Sam relationship is kinda like Ei and Makoto, Firefly being a trained scout collecting intel in a shadow while Sam finished the job. To show how trained Firefly is, she can sense Sampo and able to perfectly described him even his 'leaving no footprint' ability (Sampo actually leave no footprint in snow)
i’ve seen red text only once before, and it was during that small quest about the geopolitics guide in Herta SS. She was an android following a specific script given by the founder, and when she’s told the truth, she tries to speak but the script takes over because of some information overload. The script taking over was the red text then; so perhaps… Something is influencing, overwriting, or doing something to Acheron's speech, maybe even her actions.
Also unrealgamer pointed out so many things on acherons design that leads to finality based of hi3.He did this when acheron’s splash art was shown and safe to say he was very happy that he was right.Note that unrealgamer is a big honkai fan so he notices stuff like that
The red text appears in a sidequest, without Acheron. When you open a chest, somewhere I forgot now, the MC finds a strange "tape", and you're given a choice of getting rid of it or keeping it. If you keep it, the red text appears, and speaks of you feeling dread or smth? Damn, I should have taken prints so I could give it more thought. Anyways, what I mean is: the red text is NOT Acheron's doing, since this quest doesnt involve her. My guess is its Harmony speaking to us, or maybe one of the entities that make up Harmony, since Xipe is a multitude of entities in "Harmony" with each other. Also in the SU when Xipe speaks, her text has many colors, including red.
In the SU , the Swarm . Xipe speaks in both red and blue which is actually all the aeons who make up Xipe speaking . 1) The red text is Xipe (original one ) 2) The blue one is either Ena or another Aeon who has been absorbed by Xipe
I have played the game again and red text appears in previous quests, like Belabog quests. I am guessing it has something to do with different answers depending on your response.
23:07 THIS. I've been thinking about this non-stop. When I think about Entropy, my mind immediately goes to "Energy". My own theory is that Firefly and Sam have "fused" becoming a sort of symbiosis. While I don't think its literal, if Firefly's body is truly "dispersing" or "fading away", then what remains of it? You can't just erase someone (unless you can distort reality or fate) and expect to not have remains, which leads me to believe Firefly's body is no more, it has turned into pure energy and the only thing keeping it from dispersing entirely is Sam. Now I've read a leak, but I do not know of its veridity, yet it says about Sam not being deployed or maybe even retired from the frontlines against the Swarm due to a malfunction. Maybe his "core" or "power source" broke and couldn't remain operational, so Firefly's body that will eventually cease to be a physical body works as a stand-in "battery" for Sam. *This could in turn explain how both can co-exist in the dream, its because they have separated wills and minds but share the same "body" in the real world. * This also checks-out all the identifications/descriptions made for Sam, from a Cybernetic-Enchanced Soldier, to a Giant Suit of Armor or an Autonomous Mecha... turns out they are all correct, in a sense.
In the hotel lobby (Reality, if I remember) there's a phone slightly to the left of Dennis, the attendant of the check-in kiosk. Interacting with the phone a number of times will eventually change the response on the other end, giving you red text.
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My theory is that Misha himself is the Legacy; his innocence and big dreams is a perfect representation of the intended Penacony experience, and he might be the Watchmaker's descendent.
I mean, "legacy", "descendent"...Why else would it be called this way?
What if misha are the watchmaker?
I had first thought that as well, it's strange that the way the give Misha screen time is minimal and when his character got released it almost like they made is kit very underwhelming. What if the goal was to make him forgettable not just to the characters in game but to us as well. A lot of the reactions I see from the story when he appears with Acheron people say "who is this kid again?" or that hes super bland and forgettable as a character all to slip him under our nose as the Watchmakers Legacy.
@@KinDiedYesterday Damn brother
Acheron acts as if she is never sure where or "when" she is, which leads me to believe that she perceives space-time in a non-linear way, which explains how she remembers things that apparently haven't happened yet or how she manages to manipulate the Trailblazer's choices towards a specific result.
I saw a comment describing how Finality and I suppose that its Emanators see the world backwards, like our first meeting with Acheron its our last to her. Our past is her future and so on.
Terminus is stated to be able to travel through time during its observations, her being an emanator of terminus is pretty likely.
For me she appears to have something like a dissociative identity disorder, or specifically alter egos.
@@nightcorewb4949 If our first meeting with Acheron in the story is the end of her story in Penacony, she knows what happens and tears up when warning the Trailblazer of things to come, which really is a foreboding future. She reminded me of River Song in Doctor Who, a character who jumps from different points in time and the first time she gets introduced is supposedly the last leg of her journey and in later episodes she still in the middle of it.
@@nightcorewb4949It reminds me of the narrative arc of the Doctor and River Song (aka "the Doctor's wife") in Doctor Who: the first time he meets her is the last for her because the events of this meeting will lead to her death.
Yeah, having a love story involving time travel makes things complicated.
I also wonder about gallagher, he says hes training bloodhounds, but none of the bloodhounds seem to know him, the only one that identifies him doesnt do it because he knows him, but because of the outfit.
Yeah, they go "who is that guy?" when he is brought up. It could be he isn't who he claims to be or has special position amongst the hounds (maybe a secret police or executioner)
I had the same thought, it's also odd how FF and him exchange a look at first and then he adamantly tries to convince everyone she's innocent. The way he says "lovely girl like you" also sounds like it has more to it than meets the eye, like it's sarcastic but could just be the voicing. If he was doing his due diligence as an officer he would at least question her instead of letting her off the hook straight away.
It almost seems like he just changed the case records from girl to lad specifically so he could get FF out of situations. If you align with the FF being linked to Sam/Stellaron hunters stuff then he could be a mole for the SHs or be being threatened or something by them.
He doesn't really seem the type to be threatened, maybe they have mutual interests or something, assuming that theory is true@@Tom-101
@@SmashTheAdam Yeah I know what you mean, probably more likely from the bribe/they have something that benefits him angle if he isn't somehow linked to them already
after 2.1 it is proven all the SUS behavior of Gallagher is intended
Also in Japanese, SAM uses a form of keigo that is high educated/well mannered often used by women. Even when he says aggresive lines the exact words are not slang/mean or any bad word usually said in such situations by men.
Not just Japanese, other languages except English use the same feminine word, and some are neutral like Chinese
In Spanish Sam uses "her", if i recall correctly sam said: "SAM, cazadora de Estelaron". Which is the female of hunter in spanish.
This is the biggest clue actually..thanks for clarifying but still we cant confirm if she’s alive or dead…the Sam we fought could be just an AI assistant and not her
@@scrappy_horns8139 I’m just confused why both Kafka and sw refer to him as a he. They would definitely know about firefly no?
@@scrappy_horns8139 As the video says, SAM the suit has somewhat of a mind, but I suppose is more like JARVIS from Ironman.
The Penacony story really brought out the 'Honkai' aspect of the series
this really was the honkai impact :sob_smile:
Of course it has to be Shaoji cooking
Shaoji! Why!!! *PTSD Intensifies*
Nah, we’re not even close to done with the story. I can smell the writers cooking
but the most painful to story brought up is "To be Continued"
Misha being kept under the radar is intentional writing. Sparkle's whole character theme is being a "red herring," distracting everyone around her through ploys, harsh words, challenges, schemes, etc.
We're being misdirected towards a murder mystery when the answer to the Watchmaker's legacy has already been shown to us.
I KNOW RIGHT??? I was so sus when it felt like we were the only ones that could see Misha in the lobby
Real
Hoyo has been cooking, and I hope they deliver in the next patch.
Sparkle uses an ability that is fish-themed red like a red herring to send us into a dream within a dream. Coincidence? I think not!
@@iMythum additionally, check Sparkle's talent. 👀
the eye shape of Misha is exactly the shape of doors in Penacony hotel.
That reminds Sora see's a Keyhole and others, most of them access to unlocked the doors 🚪 in Kingdom Hearts.
Unironically I do beg that Misha and Gallagher will be important in the next update
@@SummoningSalts one of ur wishes came true. now wait for 2.2 for Misha kino(hopium)
I remember someone else calling attention to the fact that red text has appeared before during Star Rail in 1.0 with Shelia when she goes "off script" and says someone she isn't programmed to say which is an interesting analogy that certainly flew under the radar for a long time
Maybe the red text are things that don’t go according to Elio’s script? My first thought since you mentioned off script
Well, it is interesting because I thought that it was weird that red text did emerge and was confused about the reaction of the nurse when Shelia said full sentences but with red and white text.
But ignoring the red text the nurse reaction suddenly makes perfect sense.
So, red text is something that the emanator can say to each other but is ignored or unable to be perceived by normal people.
Who's shelia??
@@inchemaitau6587 Sheila is that android from Herta Space Station and her name and appearance is based on the late lover of the old man who made her. I suggest you peruse the adventure mission yourself if you haven't yet.
@@Relic58 ohh the one we need to teach abt stuffs right? I remember her, but i don't remember the things abt her dialog went red.. guess i gotta search for some videos on it
0:57 The voicelines may be a reference to Honkai Impact 3rd where if you're Stelle, you reminded her to Kiana Kaslana, her bff. If you're Caelus, you reminded her to Kevin Kaslana, the progenitor of Kaslana during Elysian Realm Arc
she also quotes yae word for word later after the death scene, adding more to the weird HI3 connection
Kinda, Theory time?
@@KarozsI never played HI3, could you give me the quote?
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For me the key is in Stellaron Hunters. From Jepella Rebellion we know a stellaron can assume many forms and names.
For Penacony, it's the "watchmaker's legacy". This Stellaron is the reason why Penacony dreamscape is sinking into the primordial water (deep sea). We now suspect that Misha is the grandson of the watchmaker, a nameless. Assuming this is true, then Misha was the one who sent us the encrypted invitation.
He wanted to hand over the watchmaker's legacy to the astral express, plot twist, the stellaron is none other than himself. We can see him because MC is also a being of stellaron too.
Or I might drunk because it's 3AM
nah, the watchmakers legacy being a diff name for stellaron is actually make sense and interesting. Or it could have stellaron inside it. you may be onto something here..
You're cooking good. Stellaron Hunters are the most sus organization in the HSR universe.
Would explain the Misha LC featuring Welt as a metaphor. Awesome dish that's being cooked here.
Also explains why the stellaron hunters are there in the first place
@@Jackie_Tikki_Tavihow does it reference welt?, I never got the lightcone
I think it's notable that Sam's armor design shares elements with Firefly's dress, specifically having an "x" shape near the chest (pronounced when Sam activates the flames on his armor) and their color schemes of orange and teal. The difference between the gray of Firefly and Sam's shiny silver armor could show that he's her fully realized power, or that she sees Sam as the ideal she couldn't reach on her own.
Also, Sam uses fire and he can fly!
@@Dondingo4 I know this is supposed to be a funny comment, but Sam's fire powers might actually link them to Firefly, I think she once mentions something about fireflies being attracted by fire/flames 🤔
@@Drago-I-guess"like countless fireflies chasing the fire"
@@Tom-101 that was the line, thank you!
something i noticed recently, in the korean dub misha says 'grandfather' instead of 'mikhail'
Yep, it is also mentioned in the Russian translation of text
It is very much possible that Misha was named after his grandfather. Express crew also had a task from Pompom to see what happened to some Nameless who decided to stay in the Penacony in the past, so I am sure we will hear about him again
@@TapepuellaYeah, Himeko mentioned possibly meeting their descendants or even possibly them if they somehow managed to live to the present.
Grandfather clocks tend to have winding keys.
I remember that too. I played in KR voicelines and English dialogue so I was confused when they said 'Grandpa' but was written 'Mikhail.' My first thought was that Firefly was saying this, as she said she lost her family in one of the cutscenes. It might be Misha's grandfather, the Nameless.
I stitched together a theory about why only we can see Clockie, and possibly, the same with Misha. It’s the stellaron. Something about it is making us see what shouldn’t be. Whereas Clockie said he could only be seen by those with the honesty, innocence and kindness of a child, maybe the creations themselves do not know its true reason. Misha… despite being human, he cannot be seen by others for possibly the same reasons. The “Imaginary” aspect of Clockie and the origami birds make sense but Misha is an enigma.
Wait that lullaby in Black Swan trailer is the Beijing Nursery Rhymes "Eight Bald Head" mostly known "10 rabbit". Yes this the same nursery rhyme Hu Tao sing in her idle animation (non ENG ones)
What a lullaby to sing to small kids 😮
This video answered so many questions while simultaneously creating even more for me💀
The lore and mystery in this arc is so good.
14:11 but also Sunday and Sparkle act as if Robin's truly dead - which had me so confused about dying in Penacony in the first place. After all, if Robin had merely woken up, why would Sunday be grieving and speaking about bringing judgement on who killed her? And Sparkle say that she's "a goner"?
Why do we have to wait so long for the next update for the quest ahhhhh
Calling Robin 'a goner' rather than saying 'she IS gone' is rather telling as well.
@@HandleWithKerr Yeah that means that she may still be alive, but in severe danger in the dreamscape, which could be a threat in reality. Do you think it’s possible that if you die in the dream, you die outside of it as well?
@@danalynch118 My thought was 'spiritual death' is succumbing so deeply into the dream it becomes impossible to wake up in reality, essentially rendered dead and imprisoned like the boss fight. And the threat to Penacony is that the entire dreamscape is 'sinking' into this state.
@@grampaseri True. It’d also explain the thing w robin at the end
"Cosmic Star" side quest shows that it is possible to put people who are already dead into the Dreamscape. Maybe Robin and Firefly were both just memories living their second lives? It's a weak theory, but this whole thing really reminds me of that one Black Mirror episode (San Junipero).
I found a few interesting parts when analysing the quest about Firefly.
1) Firefly mentioned the message on the invitation letter. If she's a stowaway, I don't think she would get one. Does that mean she read someone's invitation letter, or got one herself?
2) She also introduced herself as a stage performer. What if it's all just a performance?
The first question lends credence to the idea of her being partnered with Sam who supposedly did get an invite.
If shes connected to Sam (or even is directly Sam), and Sam's a Stellaron Hunter, and Stellaron Hunters got invites too then she knew what was written on the letter. The letter invited only the 5 of stellaron hunters, as they didnt know firefly exists. Thats why when she entered the dream as herself, not as Sam(she didnt need to use his body, but he somehow can use it without her), she said she's a stowaway, because she wasnt directly invited.
What if she calls herself a stage performer because she knows she has a "role" to play in all of this? Maybe her apology before her death was for putting us through the pain of losing her, because she knew she'd have to follow the script and leave the stage here (at least for now, in case she didn't really die) 🤔
Not to mention, in that conversation, she mentions the Masked Fools, the Family, The Garden, the Nameless, how everyone has their own agendas, but happens to exclude the Stellaron Hunters. How did this little girl even know about the invitation itself, let alone all these people that was invited?
Let's not forget she asked us "why do people choose to sleep? I think... It is because they're afraid to wake up from the dream." This was the question asked in the invitation encoded to only specific individuals (Welt didn't even notice this encoded part of the message till Himeko told him). So... why does Firefly know about this encoded part of the invitation?
Elio always has a "script" that the Stellaron Hunters act on, perhaps that's what she meant by her being a stage performer?
I knew it she was elio's toady allá along
I want to talk about the concept of "Finality", one of the most important recurring themes in Hoyoverse as well as a meta-narrative approach of the character of Acheron and Raiden Mei.
Finality, The End or simply Destiny, sounds ominous but in actual fact as Raiden Mei herself said: "Origin is an End and Finality is a Beginning", it simply means that when one thing ends, another one starts, Finality and Origin are both sides of the same coin.
Acheron is HSR's version of Raiden Mei, who is the Herrscher of Origin, interestingly they made a twist and she's now the other side of the coin, Finality. As Acheron said: "May death be the end of your boundless dream... guiding you back... to the waking world." Acheron is invoking Finality/Origin with death being the return to waking life.
I personally think we are in an Inception like event and Acheron is here to end it, even the "reality" layer of Penacony is another dream. Nobody has died IRL and is just dead in one of the countless layers of dreams. Firefly and Robin are playable characters so it kind of spoils their "death".
All Raidens are the equal and opposite counterpart to a Kaslana, which in HSR is the Trailblazer, made apparent with their Kaslana Bat, a "family heirloom" that has been around for over a decade of Hoyoverse games.
There's some kind of overarching meta themes that they are clearly trying to tell us about Finality/Origin and Raiden/Kaslana with not just the dialogue asking if we remember her, but also in the 2.0 dev stream with the writer straight up telling us that we might remember Acheron from another game; Clearly hinting at Acheron being a version of Raiden Mei, which for us long time Honkai players will undoubtedly make the connection.
Acheron's dialogue is written in a way that invokes the memories of Honkai 3rd players and asks us to make speculations on what she is trying to do. Her dialogue to female Trailblazer sounds like she remembers you as Kiana Kaslana and male Trailblazer as Kevin Kaslana, in fact she also quotes Yae Sakura who imparted her some ways of the sword, more meta-narrative elements.
Unlike Genshin which is based on Honkai but is unconnected to the Honkai universe, existing as a separate bubble universe, HSR is a direct sequel to Honkai 3rd, and it seems they are really starting to draw the connections now beyond just Welt and maybe Loucha.
So basically for HSR only players, Archeron is kinda mysterious, but for HI3rd players, there are even more layers of mystery because of the additional context that is being used to manipulate our impression of her. And Finality is the end of the current period as well as the start of the next, all things must end therefore Finality is the the one true Destiny.
this is such a good read, even though genshin is kinda separated I think it still kinda fits with the raiden expy there being the archon of eternity, just like how the finality is a beginning and the origin is an end, eternity is all about change which would be what's between the beginning and the end
@@odisleftpaw5663 Yea for Genshin they are taking the Raiden/Kaslana relationship in a different way, instead of partners, they are now enemies.
To dive deeper, Finality and Origin is not just a 2 sided coin, there's actually something in between the 2 faces, Truth.
Raiden Mei is the equal and opposite counterpart to Kiana Kaslana, the most important character of Hoyoverse. Kiana represents Finality and Mei represents Origin. Bronya is the 3rd most important, representing Truth, together they are the Hoyoverse's most important Trio.
Kiana who represents Hope became the Herrscher of Finality, a point in the Future. Raiden who represents Destiny becomes the Herrscher of Origin, a point in the Past.
At the same time Bronya became the Herrscher of Truth, the Eternal search for Truth lies in the Present. Bronya is the one who keeps Kiana and Raiden in balance.
And how is this represented in Genshin? We've already seen Kiana as the Unknown God, Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, in short Destiny itself. And we have Raiden as the God of Eternity, which is said to be the one thing closest to the Heavenly Principles, they are the closest enemies now instead of partners.
And Bronya is almost 100% going to be the Cryo Archon, who is rebelling against the Heavenly Principles. You can see that the Trio now seems to be thematically related again.
To summarise:
Hope/ Finality/ Future
Destiny/ Origin/ Past
Eternity/ Truth/ Present
You need Hope to overcome Finality in the Future, your Destiny has been decided since your Origin in the Past, but you must overcome the Eternal Present to find the Truth. This is basically the most important set of themes across all of Hoyoverse and is shifted around to fit the stories of each game.
These themes are visually displayed and then spoken in dialogue in HI3rd chapter 35, the final chapter of HI3rd Part 1. The characters were in a dreamlike space with a train station, the current platform is Eternity, the lines to the left and right are Hope and Destiny.
EDIT: This made me realise, if Heavenly Principles is Destiny, Raiden is Eternity, then Tsaritsa is Hope.
What a great analysis. I'm almost disappointed I dropped HI3 very early since its battle system isn't my thing at all. It's actually sad though if HI3 knowledge will be that valuable and not just a fanservice.
WHAT a GREAT analysis
If only I decided to continue playing HI3rd during one fateful day in 2017...
There's an interesting thing most players didn't notice: at least with the Japanese audio, you can hear Robin's voice GLITCHING for a second during her first time talking to us (in The Reverie, reality; I think it was her reply to March 7th, iirc).
Thank you for this info! I didn't hear anything in the Chinese audio, but it is completely possible I overheard it, as I don't speak Chinese. Was so confused when they commented on her voice not being in top shape later...
I was wondering about this as well!! I recall Welt and March 7th mentioning how weird her voice condition is, which March 7th then concluded that it's just the life of a superstar. Does that mean the Family just has an android copy of Robin or something? Did they foresee Robin dying? Was she some kind of bait for the death meme, similar to Firefly? So many questions and no answers... :")
I would also like to point out that the companion mission was actually a memory that happen before this Penacony event.
Meaning that it happened in the past, thats why we never met the real Sampo in the main story because the real Sampo possibly is not around Penacony anymore. (especially after scamming 10 people)
Not really, if you go the timeline they added in 2.0,the companion quest is listed after the trailblaze mission
@@crubat9429 I think you forget that Mr Something (I don't remember that eye name) is showing the memories of the past. Even though this mission is located after trailblaze mission, it does not mean it's happening after since our mc is browsing inside the memories of past not future.
@@faizahza8003 Mr. Edward my beloved
@@faizahza8003 youre right i didnt realize that
@@faizahza8003 yep.
And if you see the memory bubble in Jarilo VI, its all connected
When Acheron said “your sight will only see black and white” and “in that monochrome world, there will be a glimpse of fleeting red”, it immediately reminded me of her splash art. Maybe that is how she sees the world?? Just a wild speculation.
Her ultimate also turns the world black and white
I am glad you pointed out about elio. So many people are too busy with firefly death and forget that if firefly is indeed sam, elio would have shared everything that will transpire in penacony much like how elio did to kafka in luofu.
Elio doesn't share "everything", he gives people a "script", but as Kafka herself mentions at the start of the game, stuff can happen off-script as well that may not matter for the final result.
not everything just enough to achieve the intended future, elio wouldn't mention anything that would clash with what he believes needs to happen. That's why nobody knows his motives they just do what he says
About Misha... A voice saying the name "Mikhail" and the voices we hear in the memory zone maze with Firefly (the one that filled with a lot of words in the air) is the same as Misha's voice 😢 The room is so creepy ngl. And I also felt strange because the others didn't seem to pay attention to Misha... He gets special attention from me 😔
Because they actually dont care of story. Only care of mommies. I expect something traumatic happen to Misha, maybe dead friend or dead brother
@@shutup1037 alright hater calm down
@@suffering9481 what hater
My guess is, Misha may be the "watchmaker's legacy" but the only evidence of that is his technique that stops time.
@@shutup1037 they clearly care about the stories, and if its only the mommies then why would they bother having males and stuff
21:08
My thought exactly about Firefly
What a freaking twist in the heart if she did all that only because Elio told her to, much like Kafka on the Luofu, only to get the Trailblazer to act a certain way according to the script.
I mean Silverwolf is the one who set us up in the first place.
It would make sense of Sparkles "warnings" of us being gullible.😭😭😭
That would explain 'sorry' she said in end.
Yea that line at 17:33 is a mistranslation, in fact later in said dialogue, the gang specifically talk as if Misha isnt their.
19:59 - also the fact that his eyes are the exact same as the doors in The Reverie (Dreamscape), A Child's Dream, and the hotel in reality.
Silver Wolf said that Sam likes a fair fight. I don't think someone that is fair would betray Firefly like that, or at least lead her to be killed instead of killing her himself. I believe that Sam that betrayed Firefly was actually Sparkle.
She said Sam is a no-nonsense killer unlike Kafka and Blade who like to play with their targets. There is nothing about fairness in her words.
Could very well be Sparkle, as she was the one to have sent us and firefly to that place to begin with, it also seems that she knew that SUD was there
When mimicing Sampo she made it clear that she doesn't like Firefly at all
And the fact that she said that someone had died AGAIN while Sunday didn't say anything that would hint at that even, shows that she knew about either Robin's or Firefly's death already
So she could easily enter that area, Pretend to be Sam, and Betray her, she could've also then pretended to be SUD and kill Firefly
I mean that thing just went straight to the kill back then unlike that first time we have met him.
I doubt it was sparkle. I believe Sam was trying to save her by leading her to a dead end, then facing the meme head on. That’s why he stood in the same place firefly died. He realized firefly escaped and he blazed through the entire dreamscape (hence the dead enemies) just to find a puddle of goo. When we see him for the first time, he was gripping an enemy and seemingly distraught and angry, as if knowing she was killed by the meme.
@@somedude2468 agree with this
@@somedude2468
That could also be true.
15:00 Oh black swan Lullaby is the ten rabbit story xD.
It talks about the other rabbits killing rabbit 5 to heal 1.
Rabbit 2 was in love with 9 so he sends the others rabbit to use 5 as medicine.
6 died because it was just next to 5 when it happened. Finally 9 cries because it loves 5 and 10 comforts her (some say 10 planned this because it loves 9 too)
Is a huge conspiracy and use to represent death, the original text even looks as grave if i recall correctly.
But what does it mean? Maybe rabbit 5 is supposed to represent firefly???
Isn't that the same nursery rhyme Hu tao's hilichurl song was based off? Or am I messing things up?
@@saraesposito4442 Yes, it's the same one.
oh, so two main deaths just like the one that's currently happening
hu tao mentioned
For 17:33 I can confirm at least for the CN version they only said "Punish her". The gang members never mentioned Misha. Not very sure about the JP version...but it doesn't sound like they mentioned the word "him" either.
The JP version also uses Female (女). "あの女に誰を怒らせたのか思い知らせてやる"
That's odd because in his character story, he interacted with a group of adventurers and asked them about their adventures. And they actually replied to him too.
And the only thing he said when he met the Trailblazer in the Gallery of Thoughts was "You remember me? I'm glad", which could mean he didn't feel too bad not being seen but was just pleasantly surprised he was remembered.
Maybe he only appears to people he's interested in talking to? In that case, I wonder why he was with Acheron before they were rescued by the Trailblazer.
@@nanhaoshangfeng It could be that the character story is something that happened a long time ago before Misha became the way he is now, or maybe the Misha we saw now is not even the real him. Misha's situation is very odd as you said and it makes me think he may just be some "memory"or remnant of the real Misha or of Misha's "grandfather".
Your guess about how he can control who sees him is possible too. Maybe in this case it was Acheron who approached Misha because she somehow sensed him (without actually seeing him).
It's possible he has a really forgettable presence that only one attuned to the memoria can pick up, like he does actually exist but his presence is so faint people with less sensitivity do not notice. Acheron has a higher sensitivity than Firefly and we have the highest sensitivity @@nanhaoshangfeng
@@imperialsarcasmso could he have the disease that firefly mentioned?
During the Express crew gathering on the topic of the renovating hallway leading to the dreamscape, no one mentioned seeing a bellboy. I think this is also a deliberate hint for the existence of Misha.
Acheron's red lines in Penacony are randomly picked among 3 different lines, and you can change them if you disconnect during the conversation to restart it. For example, when Black Swan and Trailblazer met her in the Reverie Dreamscape, she had reached here either like in this video, investigating rumors of Penacony, OR she was chasing after a criminal that the Bloodhound family had asked for her help, OR she had clashed with Sparkle and got sent here. Another example is how she first met Black Swan. In this video, she said that she had spotted Black Swan following her, but in other 2 scenarios, one is that Black Swan invited her for a dance, and the other one is that Black Swan invited her to go out for a drink.
Like someone had said above, the red text happened before during Guide Paradox quest in Herta SS. When Sheila was malfunctioned, what she was not scripted to say were in red text, so I think both Acheron and Trailblazer was doing something out of someone's script. But whatever happened in the red text, Acheron would always help us kick Aventurine out of our room, meet Black Swan before getting rescued by Firefly and Traiblazer in Golden Hour, and meet Black Swan and Trailblazer again in the Reverie Dreamscape. Various scenarios also mean that Acheron probably went through the this multiple time, suggesting a time loop is happening at Penacony. That makes the Dreamscape sequence on the Astral Express is the loop rewinding itself before starting anew, and because of that we could heard conversations that had not happened between people we had not met.
Also the way Firefly describes Sampo when we first met "him" in Penacony.
"That way of walking doesn't leave footprints...."
"I reckon he has experience using knives, like a short sword or dagger...."
I might be talking non-sense but to me, getting these details isn't something anyone can do easily
You're right, they made a clear point of her describing the threat so vividly. Imagine any other character there and they wouldn't describe "Sampo" in so much detail on how dangerous they are and in what way.
She also mentions that a baseball bat isn't an efficient weapon in a very matter of fact way before stammering and saying something else in the clocky scene when you pick the bat option. She has formal combat/espionage training of some sort, potentially SH related.
Fun fact about the red text actually, after the first meeting the dialogue of the red text changes for the players. When Acheron comes into the room in my game she said that she was jesting and was there because she said Aventurine go inside, while on my friend's account he said that Acheron actually thought it was her room and that she even double checked the room number before speaking up. And there were other instances too like when we talk to her after meeting clockie (how she met Blackswan for the first time) and meeting her again in the Dreamscape Reverie (she had different reasons for her being there, like in mine she said that she was helping the Bloodhound family look for a wanted criminal).
Oh! You're right! I remember now when Acheron wandered into our room she said she was suspicious of the way Aventurine lurks near our room and tailed him (or something along those lines)!
Having all these factions and their representatives all gather at Penacony is really enjoyable to see unfold. Lots of intrigue, personal drama, mystery, and a possible unknown "third party" masterminding behind the scenes on the planet of festivities. Even more so, the representatives may have their own personal reasons for being there that may not align with their faction's interests as hinted by Black Swan in regards to Sparkle.
Definitely can't wait to see how this story plays out. Already much more interesting and engaging than compared to Xian Zhou plot.
5* Sampo is a theory that I didn't know I needed in my HSR life.
Wow I didn't know that Acheron can forcefully change our choices, I was always complying with her since I really do trust her at that time so I never opposed to her sayings lol.
Can't wait to learn more about Acheron. Such a mysterious character, and I feel like she'll give us lots of lore on the Aeons. Definitely getting Finality/Nihility vibes from her for sure! Wouldn't be surprised if we end up fighting her at some point down the road either.
. . . A moment of silence for our dear Firefly as well. She lit up the dark night. One can only hope that dying in a dream does not equate to a true death in real life.
i expected a heartwarming & uplifting story and hoyo gave us this 😭😭
I mean c'mon, it's Shaoji writing. It's to be expected 😂
@@cocakoala97 Something similar to penacony story happens in hi3 right? i heard he wrote the hi3 story
@@yumchemicalsit’s basically the elysia realm
@@yumchemicalsyep he wrote the Elysian Realms arc and killed like 13 people, along with Himeko in the next chapter...
but its super deep and i am here for it!!!
You had interesting proves (that i haven't thanked of, but i agreethat it makes sense) for sam and firefly basically being the same person (at least in the reality and outsideof dreamscape). But i also have another prove that kinda confirms it. The sam that we saw had firey asthetic with red color scheme. But the sam that we saw in v2.0 trailer (MV), had asthetics that looked like firefly and had green color scheme (the same shade of green on firefly's cloth). Also i didn't really understand if you talked about firefly's true intentions so i talk about what i think. Firefly actually wanted to die to the meme to somehow get to watchmakers' legacy. The first time that we encountered "death", firefly squeezed her fist but then gave up, maybe because she didn't wanted to resist and wanted to die to the meme, but then black swan saved her. The second time (when she was supposedly "killed") at the last second she said "I'm sorry". Perhaps it was part of her plan to be killed, but she apologized to us because we were going to lose her. And the rest you said it. Sam actually locked her in the room because it knew that firefly wanted to die to the meme and wanted to save her (which if sam is actually firefly's armor, it makes so much more sense that it wanted to save her)
Definitely missed these big theory videos. I'm especially interested in Misha. I believe he will definitely play a bigger role in upcoming content for Penacony. His pupils are shaped as lock holes, he has a theme with clocks and time, his name being a diminutive version of Mikhail, and his grandfather being a Nameless are only some of the details I noticed, and glad to see I wasn't just overthinking things. He may even have some "connection" with the Watchmaker itself, whether it's a person, group, or maybe just a concept. ♡
Thank you for pointing out all these intricacies, as usual I missed most of them so I deeply appreciate the time and consideration put into these videos.
15:07 there’s this one emoscape quest where you meet a former Nameless (she should be at Dream’s Edge near the other Dreamweavers) and in that quest you recover a garbled text that, when decrypted, is about the victims of the Memetic Entity ‘Something Unto Death’ (how they were all different species, genders, backgrounds, and even in different Moments of the Dreamscapes at the time before being abducted). It is also mentioned that the witnesses/last people that saw those victims had all undergone a memory erasure procedure.
I can’t really remember if she mentions if the document was new, but if it was something old and historic, then maybe the Memetic Entity was always something lurking within the memoria.
The memory wipe was not really explained, but there were two IPC guards knocking on her door at the Reverie Hotel (Reality) so maybe it could have been a psyops by them. Not the first time they’ve messed with the Dreamscape (you will be missed, Chadwick).
I think the part about IX and Nihility makes sense during the 2.0 MV as well, a number of people mentioned about the black hole behind Acheron crying
So many details
Also there is a pop up quest from pompom that makes pompom said like he miss someone who was a Nameless from the past, about something that the nameless has done and waiting for ( oh god i just realised how important the word her or him in this interaction ) the nameless to comeback to express.
my head canon why Sampo loves Belobog so much: Lil Geppie chasing after him
I think Robin is fully dead and the "alive" Robin we see across the place is Sparkle. Throughout the quest, people keep bringing up how bad Robin's singing voice is, which is weird because she's a big pop star. Also, there are a couple of side quests that show that it's possible for a dead person to show up in Penacony through immersing their memories (or other people's memories of them) in the dreampool.
i'm not sure. there's a memory bubble i think? of someone who went to an event that involved the family and almost ended up brainwashed because one of the members used a similar technique to robin at the start of us entering the dreamscape. it wouldn't be surprising if she could manipulate powers or harness the ability similar to that of the members in the memory bubble in connection to xipe, using it on tour to allure more people to come and join the family. me thinks her death is staged; maybe even a ploy by aventurine and her to get the trailblazer on their side to take down the family's secretive nature
Robin does at the end of the story, she wasn't dead the whole time. Sunday's interaction with Sparkle at the end should have been clear indication that no way the Robin we see before then was Sparkle.
This would fit with why welt thinks Robin's voice felt off
Wrong because Sparkle as Sampo would have known who March 7th was when Sampo first encounters us at the bar in the Golden Hour. Robin gets fully acquainted with the entire Astral Express crew upon clearing up the invitation problem when checking into the hotel in the lobby. If Sparkle was Robin at that time, when she was experiencing vocal issues in the real world, she would have known Firely was not March 7th and worried about blowing her cover as Sampo during the encounter.
@@PixelleHearts also Sunday's whole interaction with Sparkle at the end of the story would deny that entire possibility.
Acheron seems like the Emanator of Nihility. Why? Because IX is a sentient black hole, where Time and Space blend in such a way that being inside the singularity of a black hole locus, its absolute center, would distort your entire perception of everything around you. Time and Space would lose all meaning, which is what Nihility is. Nihil means 0, you become the origin and only the origin where nothing else matters. Nihility is the concept of accepting that universally, everything deserves its right to exist but to what end, it honestly does not matter because there is no meaning derived to what goes on in the universe. The reason why I am convinced that Acheron is IX's Emanator is because she is constantly losing her sense of direction and constantly misunderstanding the sequence of events. Her armor and the detailing of her sword are emblazoned with a sigil of Nihility. She has a blood debt that can never be repaid despite her need for vengeance, probably because she has the power of resetting things back to a null/0 state when she attacks things with the blade of her sword; when she would need to use it to kill her target, it would essentially reset them back to a certain point of time prior, this is probably why she can't use her blade directly, that it probably comes at the cost of her losing her memory or information of her goal with use. She probably has to pick and choose wisely for which opportunities are necessary to be used. Relative to the Memokeepers and Remembrance, a black hole literally does not let information escape it, so it would be the best place and theme to prevent someone like Black Swan from keeping their scrying eyes on Acheron. As for the whole red light reference filling the monochrome world, light that is being absorbed by the gravity of a black hole becomes what is called "red shifted"; it essentially loses most of its energy to a black hole and becomes the very last lights we can see of a thing in its existence as it fades away; metaphorically, this is what IX represents, a lack of energy, an apathy to the world because everything around it slows down and nothing "interesting" or distinct will ever occur again. This is probably why Nihility is the debuff and damage over time class of character, because you are doing everything in your power to inhibit the enemy while also doing the least amount possible damage because eventually, everything will meet the same end and ultimately not matter.
Side note, the metaphor of the events transpiring as "bubbles upon water" is also a reference to Raiden Shogun's philosophy on eternity, where everything else is meaningless in a pit of nothingness, these are/were the tenets of her belief: Nothingness, Stillness, Eternity which are then represented in the three phases of her magatama inside her Eye of Stormy Judgment which also look like a black hole swallowing up everything, and the contour of the eye being the shape of the sigil of Nihility. She also folows the same story beats about waking from the eternal dream, especially when Acheron mentions that Firefly has now awoken from her dream "May death be the end of your boundless dream... Guiding you back... to the waking world."
"Waking world you seem
Woven of the stuff of dreams
All shall fade away"
Also side note without going too far into detail as this is long enough as is with reference to Honkai Impact 3rd: Herrscher of Origin, nuff said.
Damn, your deductive abilities are so high that you realize it all.Actually, from the reliable leak I got, Acheron is indeed the emanator of the nihility as you said .It is said that she was born from nothingness therefore she has no past, no identity, and no friends either of course.
Pretty much symbolizes the concept of nihility by having emptiness in her life
Even the model for Acheron's ultimate is a black hole Based on the reliable leak I got., If you don't remember at the end of trailer 2.0 you can see when Acheron is crying behind her there is a shadow of something,And yeah it's definitely a black hole...
This further strengthens that she is most likely the emanator of IX the nihility .
Except Adventurine calls her the "Emanator of Finality and Death".
The Finality is a nonplayable (so far, maybe in the future?) path corresponding with Terminus. The Aeon that moves backward in time and presides over the Path of Finality. The apparition travels across the universe while murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled.
I remember in HI3, Kiana is on the train. As the train speeds, it resembles the HSR train too. Also, Kiana needs to control her Herscherr power before returning to Earth, needs several years... What if???
Awesomeee
@@neoz1493OH MY GOD... ELYSIA MADE HER! I CANT WAIT FOR US TO MEET ELYSIA
I feel like many people forget that black swan can interrupt the meme other than acheron. But she didn't do it and if u play close attention to the cutscene u can see that the MC and acheron expression is shocked while black swan is composed as if it's expected. I speculate that black swan most likely in cahoots with stellaron hunter. Stellaron hunter seek watchmaker legacy while black swan seek unique memories. Stellaron hunter might strike a deal like they will first obtain the watchmaker legacy and in doing so they would most likely encounter unique memories as well and they will trade the unique memories with black swan. I don't see the reason why black swan would refuse such offer in case they struck that kind of deal. Firefly might attempt to get killed by the meme in front of the MC In doing so her death will connect to various people in penacony death. The meme might also have some relation to the watchmaker. In doing so she might get the watchmaker legacy and the MC might try to save her in result saving everyone in the process. Also if u pay close attention after firefly death and in her memories retracing part why does black swan kept trying to say firefly is dead it's like she is trying to lead us to believe firefly is dead. Those might be one of the condition of black swan deal with stellaron hunter is. This speculation have no proof other than close observation. So this might not actually what happen but there is the possibility of it happening.
Some of the red text have three or four variations of she describing what happened, some speculates she is able to perceive alternate timelines, like she said she felt many TB has given their distinct answer at the same time when you first met her
A channel “Oinka” has a variation compilation.
this video is the kind of content I've been hoping to find on youtube since the day I started playing star rail. Amazing 🧡
This one is aged so well
This was a great video. Prior to watching it I had my doubts about the Acheron moving backwards in time thing but this video changed my mind. It's interesting to think about how we'll never be able to ask her if her mission was successful because the only version of her who could answer that question was the very first one we met.
Not only are Misha's pupils keyholes, but the doors to the rooms in the hotel and many windows in Golden Hour are also keyhole-shaped, in fact the exact same shape and proportions.
Misha is definitely related to the watchmaker. Each character's techniques all make sense to me EXCEPT Misha. He stops time and the only ones we know to be able to mess with time besides him is Welt possibly Acheron who are both very powerful. Although the story wants to focus on Acheron and Firefly at the moment, Misha is the one that catches my attention the most as I noticed the exact same things about him not being noticed and his reaction when saying we remember him.
Also, in Black Swan’s trailer, didn’t she mention “We think we are facing the present and the future, but fail to realize we are all moving towards the past.”
5:56 this already happened before, when the first time MC took Nanook's gaze (Belobog story pieces flashed) before eventually the Stellaron inside MC went unstable.
8:27 before this, Sam clearly identified Acheron as Galaxy Ranger (along with Black Swan as Memokeeper), so I'd say Aventurine might have lied.
Sam didn't even mentioned MC because as we know, MC grown up with Stellaron Hunters (Kafka companion mission) so it's natural he also familiar with MC.
also Misha's 4* Lightcone really speaks a lot about his connection to Astral Express (the hand holding the pass might be his grandfather..could be Welt too)
note that Sampo's mask being off of Jarilo VI means that... well, he was off of Jarilo VI at some point.
Jarilo VI has been locked and isolated by the Stellaron for hundreds of years. Nobody could get out. It's why the Express crew had to go planetside, they couldn't leave until the thing was sealed. It seems more likely that he was trapped there with everyone else than him being a Belobog native with a way to leave and come back. Was passing by, got locked in by the Stellaron like the Express was and came to like the place. So... where is Sampo from?
Isn't he from Aha? I'm pretty sure he just travels to different planets for shits and giggles. He's still under the rule of Aha though.
If you squint at the background of his character splash art, it looks lot like a bustling night time city scape which from what we know so far would only point to... Penacony! I remember someone theorizing about this in twitter too
Well sampo is a masked fool so who knows what he gets too and from
@@SillySyap nop, there's snow on the windowsills of the city. that's belobog.
Something interesting about Firefly's death is that when the trailblazer catches her and it shows her face, you see a yellow orb leaving her body and moving upwards. Even when it zooms out again, you still see that yellow orb floating upwards. Also about that yellow orb if you google firefly and look at the pictures that is what a firefly looks like. It is the hint that she didn't die.
When Sam scanned Acheron he called a Galaxy Ranger and they do seem to be on hostile terms. I don't think he would get that wrong.
Adventurine is a gambler so how much of what he told us is truthful. He needs the trailblazers help so he'll say anything to accomplish that goal.
It's the same red orb that Acheron holds and says her little blurb about 'sending back to the waking world'
It's also interesting how the only way we can shock Aventurine in the whole quest with a choice is by mentioning Acheron was with us at the end, and he comments that that makes things more interesting. Like it didn't align with his impression of her intentions, or that you have at least him and her trying to be near/get stuff out of you
@@lenajohnson6179nah the red orb rises and doesn't appear in the art. The lights in the art are a yellowish green only
@@Tom-101 Ah, I was mistaken I suppose. The Red then may have been SAM bursting free to go on his rampage while the lights Acharon is 'guiding' are Firefly herself...... or it could just be Acharon being a nice and dutiful sheperd of death xD
Maybe SAM calling Acheron a galaxy ranger is because Elio told her.
Aventurine is trying to be like the guy from the Matrix. Know the truth or leave and never come back.
About misha :
My personal theory is that he IS the watchmaker AND the nameless, he say that his grandfather was but he "is" the grandfather in question, someone or something locked his memory to make him believe that he is the watchmaker grandchild
I was thinking Sampo coming to Penacony to get his mask back might have happened in the past, before the Jarilo-VI story, since we learn about it in a memory bubble left by Black Swan who met the real Sampo on Penacony before, but we can't seem to run into him anymore while we are exploring.
So he came to Penacony to get his mask then went back to Jarilo-VI to play his part in solving the crisis from behind the scenes with his full power and entertain the player like the elation dictates him to do, but right now he isn't on Penacony anymore.
All the people mentionning a blue haired guy on Penacony probably just ran into Sparkle disguised as him just like we did, maybe she even did it on purpose just to drop a few NPCs here and there that would lead us to think that Sampo is on Penacony when in fact he isn't, this would be possible considering Sampo is capable of breaking the 4th wall and seemingly knows about us playing the game, so maybe Sparkle knows just as much.
And all that just for fun because it's masked fools we are talking about and that's what I love about them :D
watching this video after 2.1 is pretty spot on. Acheron is the emanator of nihility among other things
You were right!!! Misha is mikhail char clockwork!!!
The best video I have seen so far. Excellent ❤
I personally feel this adds on to the Hivemind theory of Harmony, since Xipe and the Family's lore seem to give off a lot of hints that it's some kind of gated community or hivemind of sorts.
Maybe when you "Die" in the Dreamscape, it is not your physical body that dies but more of your "Self" or identity that dies when it gets integrated into the hivemind or whatever. So the people that "died" still exist but aren't their individual selves anymore.
Hoyoverse games take inspiration from NGE so that's definitely possible (refer to instrumentality)
Spectacular video as well as comment section. I am getting goosebumps all over!
It was obvious from the beginning that Misha isn't just Misha. I don't think it's a common knowledge that "Misha" and "Mikhail" are basically the same in some slavic languages but I got luck to be this knowledge bearer. :D My guess he IS a Watchmaker "in disguise" (knows he this fact or not). All about him is about time, keys, clocks... he's even described as a very talented when it comes to fixing watches and referes to watches as living creatures. He's a key figure definitely. Either Watchmaker of an entity that somehow holds Watchmaker's legasy inside him somehow. Or he is a legacy.
Love your attention to details!!
Also we know Topaz will show up on the Penacony, Knights of Beauty and Everflame Mansion were invited by unlikely to attend, the Family has barely made any moves, I’m expecting a few new players to join in Penacony
The For Tomorrow's Journey light cone leak for 2.2 is prolly good for the MISHA case:
There's a dude sitting on the bed of the astral express. It wouldn't be farfetched to assume he's related by blood to Misha in some way. We already have theories about how Misha is related to "Mikhail" and the Watchmaker, who walked the path of the trailblaze. We also know Misha has a suspicious time stop ability in his kit and that the cartoon characters of Penacony can see him. The little boy is as suspicious as ever
I find it interesting how the voice who constantly calls for Mikhail is Misha
OMG what a great video, such a great job. It really is hard to see all those little details. Thanks.
Herta is an Emanator! She emanates so much Kuru kuru, it became a song!
Acheron is an Emanator! She emanates so much red in her lines that she awakened the Honkai in Star Rail!
your video has made me fall in love with the story even more
My HC Is Misha being the watchmakers legacy and his grandfather being akivikki would be crazy I think he might also host a stelleron thats why only the mc knows about him also the mf can freeze time via technique he is also trapped in 20:02 penocony because of a “promise” and his techniques name is called dream prison with might actually be the case
Your analysis is the best so far.
That point about Sam using his fire to sustain Firefly inside of him is something I haven't considered before. Especially that fire is high entropy to counter entropy loss.
The variation of Acheron response when you play with Caelus/Stelle is a refference from Honkai Impact 3rd. If you play with Caelus, she seems to talk about Kevin, and if you play with Stelle she talks about Kiana. Also, the quote that she says after "that incident": "No compassion for the enemy, for that is cuelty upon yourself...", is from Yae Sakura in the Elysian Realm arc.
Acheron is the most interesting character so far. I was just wondering why Acheron and Black Swan tried to calm down the Trailblazer after Firefly died. Is he/she going to get out of control like what happened on Space Station?
17:30 I can't recall where but another video confirmed that they do say "her" in CN at least. Wouldn't be surprised as the EN localization has had some issues like this.
Great video! Good cookin, looking forward to watching your more recent ones and for further 2.1 analysis
You can find a thing in a hallway in the dream hotel which also contains red text and considered to be very dangerous, you get the options of turning it over to the family, keeping it, or leaving it where you found it.
Also I suspect that Acheron, like her previous iterations, has multiple personalities in her; unsheathing her sword I believe would give complete control to the "other" personality which is why she keeps it sheathed.
What is the thing? I've searched everywhere and can't seem to find it
@@Veevinyayou have to solve a dream ticker and then it shows up
@@Veevinya it's near the VIP anchor in dream hotel 3rd floor
@@austinmartin612 I found it thanks
I love these type of videos that explains stuff I can barely understand in honkai star rail
HE WAS RIGHT!!!
THIS GUY CAN SEE FUTURE!!!!!!
Extra info:
- in the Penacony (reality) lobby, if you interact with the landline phone (dreamphone), you can connect with different dream zones of Penacony. Do it continuously and there will be a red dialogue popping up warning you not to contact Moment of serenity.
I like the idea that Firefly stays inside of Sam to counteract her Entropy Loss Syndrome, but she tells us that in real life she is essentially trapped into a cold cage, and that the Dreamscape allows her to free herself from that cage.
Also, other things to take into consideration, is that Firefly is allegedly from the Iris Family. In the 1.6 livestream, Sunday himself says that. But then at the end of the 2.0 quesline, he still calls her a stowaway? Is it possible that she was actually banished from Penacony? If so, why?
And still from the 1.6 livestream, we know that Acheron is actually a VIP guest at the Reverie. So why would she have to kill Duke Inferno and steal his invite as Aventurine put it, since she doesn't need an invite at all to enter the hotel? Did Aventurine lie to us? And on top of that, I highly doubt that the Duke is dead whatsoever. He's an energy lifeform, who are extremely hard to kill as we've seen with Heliobi but also as we've been told during the 1.6 missions. Surely Aventurine knows that, right?
Is it possible that he simply lied entirely about the Duke being dead? Or did he simply make a wild guess about Acheron being the one who attacked him? He did say that it was "too good of a coincidence", implying that it is in fact a guess. Which means that Acheron was perhaps not the one who attacked the Duke.
We can speculate about who and why killed the Infernal Duke, as its up to the viewer/player to choose if they want to trust Adventurines wild tale spin.
But the Infernal Duke being dead, is something that under "normal circumstances" we could probably easily verify.
Meaning that, if you had complete & total control over your in-game actions, you could go to Himeko & Welt and ask if this is true. You could contact Silverwolf or Kafka if they heard anything. You could go asking within the hotel lobby or ask Sunday. Or you could actually message Topaz and ask her to verify this through her own IPC connections.
I mean, we're free to speculate about a lot of things, but some of the information has to be taken at face value.
Not because we don't have any possible way to verify this through the game mechanics (which we don't) but because we're supposed to feel like "Oh this is a piece of information that can be easily double checked that it would make such an outlandish lie to say it out loud" kind of way.
Makes sense?
About the red text... I been watching a lot of people playthroughs and different people gotten different red text through their playthrough.. the hotel part I know has either Acheron saying she saw your door open and the commotion OR she saw Adventurine enter the room first and then she saw you. The same thing with Acheron and Misha and the whole Black Swan part.
My prediction for Firefly:
She's still alive but we have to free her from Death's grasps. At some point of the story she will reveal herself to be Sam or at least the person behind Sam and the Sam we fought is an AI controlling the armor. At the end of the story, Firefly reveals to the trailblazer that she have completely lost her physical body to her condition meaning that once she wakes up she will be gone, she then says her final goodbye to us and disappears from reality, what is left of her is the armor that is Sam that will serve as a reminder to us that Firefly once existed.
Interesting how the quotes from Acheron to Stelle or Caelus seem to be referencing Kiana and Kevin Kaslana respectively, which is interesting since Acheron is not supposed to be Mei.
Also, if she's an Emanator of Finality, it mirrors Kiana who becomes the Herscherr of Finality in Honkai Impact.
I think Firefly and Sam relationship is kinda like Ei and Makoto, Firefly being a trained scout collecting intel in a shadow while Sam finished the job.
To show how trained Firefly is, she can sense Sampo and able to perfectly described him even his 'leaving no footprint' ability (Sampo actually leave no footprint in snow)
i’ve seen red text only once before, and it was during that small quest about the geopolitics guide in Herta SS. She was an android following a specific script given by the founder, and when she’s told the truth, she tries to speak but the script takes over because of some information overload. The script taking over was the red text then; so perhaps… Something is influencing, overwriting, or doing something to Acheron's speech, maybe even her actions.
Ah shit at 15:01 that description is the English translation from a dark Chinese kid song called 10 Rabbits ☠️
Also unrealgamer pointed out so many things on acherons design that leads to finality based of hi3.He did this when acheron’s splash art was shown and safe to say he was very happy that he was right.Note that unrealgamer is a big honkai fan so he notices stuff like that
The red text appears in a sidequest, without Acheron. When you open a chest, somewhere I forgot now, the MC finds a strange "tape", and you're given a choice of getting rid of it or keeping it. If you keep it, the red text appears, and speaks of you feeling dread or smth? Damn, I should have taken prints so I could give it more thought.
Anyways, what I mean is: the red text is NOT Acheron's doing, since this quest doesnt involve her. My guess is its Harmony speaking to us, or maybe one of the entities that make up Harmony, since Xipe is a multitude of entities in "Harmony" with each other. Also in the SU when Xipe speaks, her text has many colors, including red.
In the SU , the Swarm . Xipe speaks in both red and blue which is actually all the aeons who make up Xipe speaking .
1) The red text is Xipe (original one )
2) The blue one is either Ena or another Aeon who has been absorbed by Xipe
I have played the game again and red text appears in previous quests, like Belabog quests.
I am guessing it has something to do with different answers depending on your response.
I love your explanation ❤ cant wait for another video in the future
23:07 THIS. I've been thinking about this non-stop.
When I think about Entropy, my mind immediately goes to "Energy". My own theory is that Firefly and Sam have "fused" becoming a sort of symbiosis. While I don't think its literal, if Firefly's body is truly "dispersing" or "fading away", then what remains of it?
You can't just erase someone (unless you can distort reality or fate) and expect to not have remains, which leads me to believe Firefly's body is no more, it has turned into pure energy and the only thing keeping it from dispersing entirely is Sam. Now I've read a leak, but I do not know of its veridity, yet it says about Sam not being deployed or maybe even retired from the frontlines against the Swarm due to a malfunction. Maybe his "core" or "power source" broke and couldn't remain operational, so Firefly's body that will eventually cease to be a physical body works as a stand-in "battery" for Sam.
*This could in turn explain how both can co-exist in the dream, its because they have separated wills and minds but share the same "body" in the real world. *
This also checks-out all the identifications/descriptions made for Sam, from a Cybernetic-Enchanced Soldier, to a Giant Suit of Armor or an Autonomous Mecha... turns out they are all correct, in a sense.
oh shit..
In that leak, it also is flatout confirmed Firefly IS Sam, which means she IS his "empress.
In the hotel lobby (Reality, if I remember) there's a phone slightly to the left of Dennis, the attendant of the check-in kiosk. Interacting with the phone a number of times will eventually change the response on the other end, giving you red text.
raiden mei, emanator of kiana
I like to think misha is a conduit of keeping the dream running, like how in Sumeru the samsara was kept together by one persons dream
This is just the beginning yet, more death and despair to come
this channel is my favorite for this kind summary