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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video I'll explain the basics of team building. From the thought process in the start, to the conclusion, and several tips in between. Since you are going to use the team for the next 4 hours or so, it's important to have it fine tuned before you leave the crossroads.
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0:00 Intro
0:34 Misconceptions
2:48 Team Building Process
15:54 Example Teams - เกม
One thing I feel is clamping team diversity is what can seriously hurt rank 4. You basically have Iron Swan, Grobber, Hwayman, or you need TWO of PD+Occ+rank4 Runaway.
I feel like the game would benefit a lot from an arbalest or musketeer being added.
Those Drummer skeletons become the bane of your existence without two rank 4 hitters
We need Musketeer
A musketeer would be so sweeeet! They could have different ammo ablitlies like exploding ammo, incendiary ammo, poison tranq ammo to finally make musketeer it’s own class
I've had good luck with just occultist using daemon's pull and taking them out in front.
@@beerjam1147 That only works in regular encounters, and not even all of those. Many bosses require GOOD rank 4 access.
There so much diversity for a good comp. You can have a choice of Man at Arms, Jester, Plague Doctor, and one whole non Occultist character that you can choose.
If you copy/paste the op team you're right. But if you chose the characters you like and if you use your brain you can manage a lot of different teams
@@socratusdb8171 i beat act 2 first try with jester, occultist, runaway, leper
super luck tho, had tons of smoke bombs and seething sigh always missed big attack on the 50/50
@@loafofbread9400 gets hard in act 3 last boss
@@tonygarcia2591 fr hardest fight in the game for me after multiple runs through
Occultist life matters. This coming from someone who’s very anti cult and religion irl
Team building is the best part of the game to me, designing a team, rounding its edges and having it succeed brings me great satisfaction. My method for both variety and odds of success is to look at quirks first and foremost, watch for good quirks discard Heroes with awful quirks and build a team around whatever Heroes aren't shackled with awful quirks weighing them down so I don't have to worry about ridding them of it later.
I really like the "come hither" combo of Occ pulling enemies towards Leper so he can Chop no matter the blind tokens
Easily my favorite strat, leper just bonks things😂
Checking Quirks before a run is something I learned after I made a Dance build with Jester and Occulist for Conscreation swapping just to realize that she had Breacher, sending her all the way to the front and messing up my lineup at the start of a battle.
On the other hand, a Breacher vestal could be pretty killer if made for a melee-oriented build, so it goes both ways!
Breacher is a pure meme
I think the Daze on Pirouette is meant as a defensive advantage. She does a Pirouette early in the Round, she goes to the back of the team and stays there the entire round. Next turn, Daze triggers and she again spends the entire Round safe in the back... then gets two actions in a row, the first of which she will most likely use to Lunge and then maybe Shadow Fade. It's not necessarily optimal but it really pushes the hit-and-run model for her.
Love your vids, very informative and helpful. Eliminating enemies in the first round is fuel for success. That's why I love your Plague Doc/Jester/HW Man, Man at Arms setup. Encore/Aim/Double Tap/Retribution and either DoT just destroys most encounters. Just stack that speed for initiative and away you go. Have unlocked almost everything in the game, farming with that group.
Awesome video! Been needing some help wrapping my mind around certain aspects, and you cleared it all up for me. Much appreciated, as is ALL your other content.
Thank you for this video. I am the type of person who loves building around 'themes' so I would definitely want to watch more of this content. Love comboing it feels good like playing a card game. 'You fell for my trap card!" Just feels way better than a straight bullrush dps build.
Thanks for the video, Shuff. Changing from DD1 to DD2 there are little things I still need to get used to and this helps a lot!
More shuffle content! Always good to see, definitely my fav DD content creator nowadays
They've been my favorite DD content creator ever since I first played DD about 3 years ago.
Getting pretty comfy with this game and I'm convinced that you barely need stress heal in your party. I run jester with Inspiring Tune all the time and I rarely use it. Once you have all the items unlocked and are confident farming relics, you'll generally have enough supplies to heal stress at inns and non-combat encounters.
Way too much rng to say tbh, you can just be crit on stress attacks, or have something like gaunt fearing and lose 50% non stop, maybe you run infernal torch or trinkets that give stress
@@loafofbread9400 fair, I def don’t run the hardmode torch, and shit can hit the fan, and the standard chance for a meltdown seems to be at least 90% in my games. But I am getting better at target priority and managing relationships consistently, which does a lot to keep stress from piling. And as Shuffle said, ending fights quick is way better than trying to outheal the stress.
@@S0LIDSNEK the thing with stress aswell, you really want below 4 to make sure negative barks dont happen aswell, really need to be on in infernal
yeah I don't run it until I need it, then I just swap those skills on to my characters. It's always good to have a plan to deal with stress, but for most encounters? it's barely necessary to have stress skills slotted on - unless they just happen to do good stuff besides the stress heal itself :)
@@loafofbread9400 true, a good reason to never skip the oasis. That water helps
Just because you never mention it, Vestal is a compleatly viable stress healer, sanctuary heals 2 stress on upgrade.
Not completely, she only heal others stress and by prottectin her allies she gets exposed to more stress damage
I start with looking at quirks. I'll go in with an idea of what I wanna do, but if a quick is a deal breaker (or a deal maker) I'll readjust from there. It usually takes me about 15 minutes or so to even pick my team. Remember, if you have everyone's skills and paths, you can build any team you want.
Same, i build my team from their quirks and adjust it based on the trinkets from altar and their path. The team building in this game is phenomenal
I finished the game the other day with Hwy/Runa/MaR moving all about. Love the dance teams. Great content as always my dude. :)
Curseculltist is one my favorites to play with.. i really hope he gets some love soon though.
I completely agree with having a move only for certain situations. Now that we have 5 skills baseline (before mods) it’s important to prepare for a bad situation, because bad situations will find you.
Great content! Learning a lot with every video. Got the big bad boss 3 ahead of me now.
I mean, considering the mountain boss is important cause nobody likes getting that perfect 3-4h run where everything goes right just to wipe 4-0 to a big fkn eye or lung.
This was me earlier today. Ran rogue hwm, tempest lep, intermezzo jest, an physician pd. I don't even think anybody hit deaths door all campaign but that damn eyeball just didn't go down fast enough with only 2 damage sources
@@BooherTheNinja nathan that party sounds fun i might try it too sounds like big bleed
That was me. Fighted the second boss for the first time, with a really heavy DOT team, but lacking direct damage.
What a carnage. Kinda fun in the end.
My reaction :
-Attack !!! No mercy !
-Wait, immune to DOT ?
-Oh fuk the big cleave...
-Death door ! Ripost ! Fight to the end !
-Another death door... OOoooops...
-Oh well, that's not good...
-It still has... that much HP...
-Lol flagellant alone...
-(5 rounds of defiant HP boosted flagellant putting the boss midlife by himself with toxic)
-Flagellant down... that was fun.
@Boahs Live it was a fun party for sure. Leper with a lucky crit token from intermezzo's battle ballad will chop anything in his path.
I think the way I beat act 2 was Vestal Highwayman Manatarms Hellion, with Hellion being on lung removal duty using iron swan and wicked hack, Highwayman using take aim and blasting the main body, the other two basically plugging holes and playing damage control, adding a few crushes and judgement here and there. Found out the two lungs can actually die when hitting 0hp, thought it would just respawn them.
Wonderfully put together video and really informative👍
Your videos are great! They made me realize so many mistakes I was making! One video that I think could be very useful would be one on when to buff/debuff and when to go for the damage. When is using skills like Take Aim, the Curses, etc... worth it compared to just attack to do more damage? Since damage is king in DD2, I feel that self buffing skills (except for taunts) or debuffing skills seem to be usually a less valuable use of your turn compared to just doing damage to kill enemies off more quickly.
I'm so grateful you made this. I popped into your stream the other day and was going to ask you about this exact topic but I didn't want to be intrusive.
Today I ran a control team of Scourge Flag, Confessor Vestal, Nightsworn GR, and Intermezzo Jester for act 4 (yes I know Intermezzo is anti-synergy, I wanted to style on the boss). The only one with damage buttons was GR and the occasional finale from jester. Run took forever because flag and vestal had no damage buttons and were all about health, dot, stress, and token management, but I never had a character meltdown (until intentionally with flag in the mountain fight) or hit death's door the entire run. Control/Turtle teams can work (though I'm not convinced they would with the mountain bosses of act 2 and 3), but I think people mistake those teams as needing to be highly reactive, when what you need to be doing is taking control of the enemies' token generation and the direction their damage goes. You kinda need to know what plays the game is going to make and then shut them down before it can make them
Just got into the game and your begininner videos are great thank you!
I think a good strat is to understand what tools are needed and what tools are just additional.
Like I say not dieing and dealing damage is needed.
And stress healing and things like speed and resistance are just extra good.
Being able to view a team and go I have these good things but I lack let’s say healing and resistance, then you can try and focus going to spots to get items and stuff to cover your weaknesses.
A trap I see people do is the everything comp we’re you spec into 1 of everything, it can be good but you end up doing so much stuff that if you just honed in a more focused team idea like 2+ dot hero’s, or lots of stress healing you can take advantage of the games other systems to do crazy stuff like huge dots on bosses or full positive relationships teams.
Game is super cool and I love seeing people try the many different teams to the fullest and rn my fav gotta be the full no heal team jest, Gr, hwm, run away as it’s my fav group or goofsters
Much needed video, thank you!!
My team of Barristan, Damian, Audrey, & Junia is doing great together. They can attack all enemy positions really effectively and they’re all pretty tough characters.
Virtuoso Jester, Seraph Vestal, Sharpshooter HWM, Ravager Hellion. Encore round 1 for the dmg consecration on rank 1, rank 2 shield token next turn. Jester, HWM, and Ravager alternate spots on rank 1 and spam Howling End/Toe to toe (upgrade fast) and PBS from HWM. Im gonna do this next run this just seem insanely OP
never clicked so fast for a guide
Jesters isn't just good for the stress healing which is the reason new players take him he's great at dancing does DOTs and applies combo
just finished the game, first tried act 4 and 5. party was Plague doctor alchemist / Jester soloist / Occultist warlock / leper tempest. pretty much used jester for harvest bleed damage and battlefield movement to keep my people where they needed to be. plague doctor for the back rank blight kills and obvious heal support and what not, my leper had the jinx ability and he would pretty much ruin, withstand, then chop during any fight, occultist would just chaotic offering and hit em with the star, or use his pull to clear corpses or alter enemy party formation and what not. it worked for me the entire game
Honestly, as long as you run some higher dmg back liners in 3 and 4 monarch Leper and Scourge Flag can single handedly cover almost all the tank/healing and stress for your run, plus put out some decent dmg by themselves. Just took em through act 2, cleared all 3 lair bosses and Leper even nuked the front lung by himself. Way better than I thought it'd be.
4:15 Back when Focused fault phase one was tauntable, I was going to not even try it because my tank died the region before, and I didn't know how to effectively take all the tokens without taunting. I was ready to just abandon and then start a new run, but then, my Highwayman got breacher on the inn before the mountain and thought "there's a chance". I don't remember how it went besides that I did win. I put it here since you said you had to get creative
You made the best out of a bad situation, gj!
Taunts Works again after the last change 🎉
(Dunno If os intended doe)
I built a hardcore dance team with soloist jester, nightsworn GR, bulwark M@A and sharpshot HWM.
It was super fun play with turn one finale, PBS stunning shield bash and lunge but I didn't get the healing items I needed and died to my own greed (I forgot to switch skills for harvest child and didn't back down).
But yeah switching between tryhard comps to progress the acts and fun/experimental comps is a good way to keep things fresh.
The dance team you presented allows Lunge almost every turn (depending on Hellion vs Occultist speed), thanks to Toe to Toe's immobilise. GR lunge 4-2, Occ Binding Shadows pushes her to 3, GR lunge 3-1, Toe to Toe pushes her to 2, Binding Shadows pushes her to 3, GR lunge 3-2 (because of Hellion immobilise), Binding Shadows pushes her to 3, Hellion can Toe to Toe again to guarantee repeated infinite lunges or she can use another attack and hope she goes between GR and Occ next turn
If the Occultist outspeeds the Hellion, just have him use a ranged attack or something, and have GR either Pirouette or Shadow Fade back to 4 after Hellion pushes her from 1 to 2
Alternately, instead of rank 2 GR pirouette or shadow fading, depending on the enemy team you can have her throw darts to ping off a token or confirm a kill
Awesome, now I want to play again
This is may favorite video of yours so far. You're getting real good at this long form content.
BTW: I'm typing this comment at 16:11 and... Sepsis against the Sleeping mf is just unfair.... of course with all the team building you do first! I didn't hear anything I disagreed with, and it's good to know that I'm good at this game lol. Still watching the whole way through though.
Also, Vestal has a stress heal too! :D
One of the things you didn't talk about when you said you don't "need" something (but still wanted to cover all your bases anyway), is having someone to clear corpses. From day one I liked GR to do this (and kinda fell out with her, I don't wanna talk about it). Also Fester is a REALLY fun way (yes, Flag is just plain fun). Mag is still one of my favorites tho.
I would 100% agree to have 1 skill on every character that is like an "oh shit" button. I have lost a team to the shambler before cause I forgot to equip hold the line on my man-at-arms.
This is just semantics, but I disagree with your definition of a “dance team”
I don’t think a team comp with 1 mover and 3 stationary folks is a dance team.
I think at least 2 characters need to be moving consistently to be classified as a dance team.
After all, it takes two to tango.
id love to work with the warlock occultist more and im trying plenty of builds, going to give occultist - warlock / vesper - serpah / highwayman - dead eye and man at arms or leper, not sure
one time I got Breacher on a plague doc mid run... sure was fun solving that every fight. Thankfully I had a Jester to Battle Ballad the (now in) Rank 2 Leper in.
One thing that you mentioned that I find interesting is people arguing that if a skill is only used occasionally, that you shouldn't take it.
Cause I very much agree with you, that it is actually very good to have moves on you, even if you don't use them all the time. I feel like both DDs are games where you have normal fights and then you have the fights that break you. It doesn't really matter to me if in normal fights I am 5 or 10 percent more efficient in my damage, if I then get completely obliterated in a hard fight. DD seems like more of a game of preparation, where you take the tools that you might need for anything the game can throw at you. So it's really cool when you are put in a tough spot, but then you use the move that you have been keeping in your back pocket for just this occasion, and it turns a hard and deadly fight into something much more manageable that won't cripple your team.
It's kinda like having heals on you, just in case things turn south. And it also rewards variety in your moves, so that you can cover a bunch of different issues you might run into
Thanks u alot !!!! Team comp with not all skill unlock
Fantastic thumbnail
So dedicated dance team would be like grave robber lunge highwayman riposte move jester razor wit and man at arms hold the line put in the right order would pretty much guarantee a lunge every turn but could be a bit rough on either stress or healing if you dedicate to doing just that
Actually hellion toe to toe might be a little better than man at arms since she has more reliable self sustain with revelry and adrenaline since no one is really making combos for crush heal and you wanna hold the line when he isn't up front to push the others back
one comp that i started using (trying to get past obsession) was as follows:
alchemist pd, intermezzo jester, wanderer flagellant, wanderer runaway (i took wanderer for bonnie and damian because i didn’t know which paths would compliment this most)
I usually open with runaway’s dragonfly to set up combo in ranks 1 + 2, build blight on as many enemies as possible, and use necrosis to cleave and heal flagellant. in terms of dancing i usually try to make sure only 1 + 2 and 3 + 4 are switching
as to abilities i used the following:
pd: noxious blast, battlefield medicine, plague grenade, emboldening vapors, & indiscriminate science
j: fade to black, battle ballad, inspiring tune, harvest, play out
f: punish, deathless, acid rain, sepsis, necrosis
ra: searing strike, ransack, cauterize, controlled burn, dragonfly
any advice? (p.s. i was able to get this team through obsession on radiant flame iv with the hatchling crocodilian)
The only dance team you need is P3 Jester -> Battle Ballad P4 Occultist -> Sac Stab
I have many negative thoughts about this game, but one thing they've nailed is the fact that like you said, there are no roles needed. I mained "1 tank, 1 healer 2 dps" -lineup for a long time, since that's what usually has worked in a games like these earlier (haven't played DD1). But in fact after trying things out I found out that there isn't really need of a actual one hero who focuses on support or tank - you could have 4 heroes which mainly are there just to deal dmg. Also you don't need to focus on bursting enemy as soon as possible, you could have some dmg mitigation / stress heal + shit tons of plague/bleed/fire if you just wanted.
Sure there are many specs that seems way better than others / completely useless, so much of balancing is needed. But the key point that you have pretty open tools for team building is extremely well done in DD2.
In DD1 dot attacks inflicted a debbuff on enemies that made it easier for further dots of the same kind to stick.
But in DD2, if i remember correctly there is no such debuff. So once you meet an enemy with high resist to the dot team you are building around, your damage falls off hard.
My sugestion would be to spread out the dot types instead of focusing on one.
Spreading them out is fine but you can just skip the region that is a bad match up for you too
8:28 Runaway heals other characters, not just herself. Just a quick correction.
The hardest part is how you make a team without Man at arms or jester to not get meltdowns as the game is without exaggeration 10x easier by reaching max affinity with every member.
Defiant talent is pretty much an insta use of the hero for me. 5% heal per round is busted. 15% healing per fight in average. just op.
The comp i like running now is vestal,occultist,highwayman,hellion. It can handle the tangle and sprawl boss but i struggle at the act 3 boss. Any advice for me? Thank you
you should go into the feotor with this lineup :D
Can you create a similar team comp guide for players that dont have every skill and character unlocked? or like some achievable goals with skills that arent too far away for a beginning player. these fundamentals are really good tho, ill definitely keep them in mind while playing with the skills i currently have
I'll try and whip up something for that
damn, and i thinked that i know how to play; thank for shaking my sens
I am not building shit until there are arbalest and shieldbreaker
A big thing to note about this video in particular, especially as a player, is what goal you have in mind. You can't expect how to deal with every scenario, so instead of trying to build winning compositions, build funny teams that can specialize, and then figure out limitations later. Build game sense through fun, and not just winning teams.
I use occulist a lot recently, and i found that if your character has really high bleed damage resistance, he can just heal them without getting bleed damage, I wonder are there any "full bleed res team"
An idea, I wonder maybe use doctor plague's 2 ounce of prevention? It will make everyone bleed res higher
Necrosis makes Anamnesis useless unless ya wanna double up. Poor man's shit.
I really should trying other team comp. I beat chapter 1 to 5 to my
Plagie, jester, flag and hellion because i love them too much expecialy flag and hellion
A topic I’d like to see would be region bosses and how to fight them.
Soon! Working on the sprawl one right now. Should have it up in a day or 2.
I've been running Alchemist PD, Vanguard MAA, Deadeye GR and Sharpshot HWM for the last 10 runs and I can assure you it does too much damage. Pirouette and PBS as an opener is so strong, barely any front line can tank that. Afterwards, you clean up with PD and MAA and you're good to go.
Just don't get the temptation of running baby croc as your pet, the additional damage doesn't make to much of a difference and speed decrease is really bad for this team. Just run anything else. My personal favorite is Carrion Eater, just PBS or Pirouette will kill a corpse by accident and a crit tokens on top of a massive heal is kinda busted.
The idea that building a team based around the boss is a mistake because you do 3 hours of play before that one fight doesnt take into account that if you dont build for that fight you just spent 3 hours getting to a fight that your team has no chance of winning. Bit of a waste of time to build a super fun team only to get to the end of the act and get stomped by the boss.
Yep. This exactly. Why spend 10 minutes building a team and then 3 hours trying to make the best possible choices only for them to not matter. In hades, with some blessing from the rng gods, player ability, and good choices it turned the final fight a cake walk while still being fun absolutely flexing on your father.
How do you got this team build planner? is it ingame or website?
Hey is there a way to lock in the cosmetics and skills for a specific character cause i sometime keeps forgetting to change the stuff around each run?
They keep the cosmetics if they have a memory iirc
@@ShuffleFM remind me again how to get memories if ya could?
yea please more MORE
Pyromaniac is my favorite negative quirk
Ive been playing 1. N graverobber lunge 2. T leper chop 3. A runaway combo 4. A Pd support and i am smashing right now. Stress is my downfall though. Take laudanum with you.
I am honestly very surprised at how effective flag is at
Almost everything tbh
The one problem i have with this game is that i cant put several thesame heroes in one team, so no quad leper.
Anyone know if its possible to dismiss heroes or start a run with less than 4 heroes?
Not currently, unless you do some save file editing
@@ShuffleFM :.) thanks
@@ShuffleFM
I started with Thrilling Tablet. So I gave solo MAA a go with the meme Strategic Withdrawal+Crush combo. You're riposting for 26+ sometimes, he is a machine.
Takes forever to kill off your team in the first. Got through the first region just do try for it again when my MAA got killed by a bleed tick at 90% Death Blow resistance.
Def can't wait to give it another go.
I had a bug that caused me to start a run with no heroes. It was pretty funny. Only lasted until the first inn, though.
EDIT: During my valley fight, the game loaded the enemies as heroes, causing me to win automatically. That's probably why you can't.
Why does skills dont't appear like this anymore. Now i have to click through several screens to check them. Why would they change it for the worse?!
How do we unlock skins?
How I like to build my team:
Step 1: press the random button to select 4 heroes.
Step 2: for each hero, roll a d6 to determine their path: 1 or 2 = first path, 3 or 4 = second path, 5 or 6 = third path
Step 3: Manually select their moves and position, desperately trying to make them work.
I am sure the Old Ones appreciate you.
This is the omega giga chad way of team building... Holy lord 😮
Step 1 is already crazy but you're even going to randomize paths jesus
Absolute mad lad
every conculating are right until the boss or debuff suffer your whole team.....
Hello shuff , will dd2 release on console , if so when ? ,Thanks for your help .
They will port it to consoles but they haven't said when or which console yet
game still need a couple more heroes I feel.
Where did you get the skins?
When you unlock every hero you can get them from the mountain in the altar.
8 seconds ago 😳
the game just has too few characters. there are not enough effective heroes for each position so you end up choosing from a pretty restricted pool of characters resulting in too little variation.
I feel this will get a lot better as they revisit paths, like imagine runaway with vestal-esc paths to make her kit more synergistic with itself in specialised roles.
I would argue that RH actually did a good job to make almost all the characters pretty well usable in 3 positions. The synergy between heroes can be iffy, but the depths of who CAN work where is pretty solid.
Just want more rank 4 heros or stress healers
I thought the same at first, but as Shuffle is getting at - there is currently a lot of doable comps, and it will only get fleshed out more in time
This video is misinformation. YOU NEED CHAD LEPER.