The OP Ship Everyone Forgets About - Why the V-Wing Scared the Confederacy
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- The oft-forgotten V-Wing was actually one of the best starfighters in the history of the galaxy.
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I've always thought the V-wing were the best of both worlds of the Tie Interceptor and A-wing.
I love the V-Wings design. It's so badass and unique. Honestly it and the arc-170 are tied for my favourite star wars fighter craft.
Awesome! No wonder why I like that star fighter so much!!!
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Apparently they're the fastest bomber in the original Battlefront 2
Bomber?
Yeah it’s weird they are the bomber for the republic
@@magnustherad3291 Yeah they had this unique shotgun-like spreadshot and then the bombs.
Its my favorite ship to use.
Before this video, I thought they were bombers!
I love that this ship is an interceptor, yet in OG Battlefront 2 they thought "Naaah, it's a bomber"
It could also be a bomber in case its arsenal is right.
In other words, the ship could be deemed as a multirole snubfighter/bomber/interceptor.
Then they used Greivous' fighter as the CIS bomber.
@@straswa I must admit, despite its slowness, it has quite a lot of bombs.
Its a very versatile and modular starfighter
Same goes for the real world F-4 phantom, it could operate as both a bomber and an interceptor. Fun fact, interceptors aren’t supposed to be highly maneuverable like Star Wars would have you believe, they’re supposed to be very, very fast.
Funny how that ship was reused by the Restored Empire many decades after the Clone Wars in the Crimson Empire Comics
We need to make that series canon.
@@geetslys But then, we'd need to make Dark Empire canon, as Crimson Empire is a sequel of sorts.
@@sambridgers9543 the last thing we want is ANOTHER story about how Palpatine came back from the dead
Yeah it’s starting to get old
@@senatorluxbonteri6065 At least Dark Empire did it FAIRLY better than Episode IX
The A-wing of the clone wars
Performs similarly too
The V-Wing is better. Fight me.
@@geetslys Pfft Nah, A-wing is the best there is at what it does.
And it's also good to smash through SSD's windshields ;)
Pew Pew!!
@@geetslys It also needs more love. Would be nice if fans make a big space battle with these black/grey bad girls taking out Rebel fighters, droid craft, and/or Yuuzhan Vong...
@@geetslys Hey, man, don't point that anti-fighter blaster at me.
Still, you mention the clone wars having a lot of fighters... but... does it really? The N-1 doesn't count since its a Naboo-specific fighter outside of games. So there is what, a *V-wing* (light fighter), the *ARC* (heavy fighter which is definitely NOT just "aggressive recon" and is frankly such a good thing that it is something that I can only imagine the rebels didn't use more due to maintenance or them just mostly being gone by that point... probably the latter as they still used Y-wings), the (speaking of) *Y-wing,* (bomber, lasted long time, etc), and that shieldless fighter that they gave to Jedi.
I mean, yes, there was the Z-95 Headhunter too (precursor to the X-wing), but you don't see too many of them usually in canon battles for some reason. Also, there was that other V-wing (which looked more like an upside-down V with a vertical line added) that predated the better and much more frequently seen V-wing (which does also look more like a V, at least from the side, but then the precursor was called "V-19" as a designation, whereas the "V-wing" was more a nickname as it was technically called the Alpha 3 Nimbus or something).
I mean, for on-screen stuff, and not counting naboo, you mostly see what, 3-4 different republic fighters. Along with their favored gunship? Even the empire has more variants of Tie Fighter than that. And they are mostly just replacements or upgrades to either the standard tie, or (less commonly) the tie bomber.
V-wing >>> Tie Fighter though. Some later ties, I don't know. look, just saying, but shields are a GOOD thing to put on a fighter. Even if they are compact and weak and don't get in the way, they still kinda help against small arms fire, micrometeorites, and not dying to a single lucky shot from some noob rebel or other neophyte in a complex war machine who, if you have shields, will just bang your ship up a bit and NOT kill you before you complete whatever attack run or objective you are after.
The A-wing got that right though too. So, um, yeah. Anyway... Yeah. The V wing (nimbus) was a pretty good fighter/intercepter... um/whatever game devs want it to be (sometimes its a fighter-bomber for some reason?).
I had a V-wing lego set as a kid and loved it, kinda regret taking it apart now, but there are so many sets I wish I hadn't taken apart, (sigh) but I was young and foolish and didn't know what I had
Feel ya. I accidentaly got two. Only one still stands. So i'm kinda glad about the second one now.
Basically how we all feel regarding Legos.
Me too man, me and my little brother
Same
I still have mine lol missing the landing gear though
Books: 200 Republic Fighters vs 800 Droid Fighters
TCW: 15 Republic Fighters vs 25 Droid Fighters
Books: Entire field armies being demolished with dozens of Venators being called in for a small planet
TCW: 10 soldiers, take it or leave it
Gotta love/hate production timelines and budgets on a tv show :(
@@broketoon7996 it's embarrassing that this so called "TCW" is smaller than some skirmishes in the galactic Civil war
@@laisphinto6372 again...technological, time, AND BUDGET constraints. And no...none of the og battles were that much bigger.
If you notice you only see like 5 or 6 ships in a new hope fighting at a time. If that.
Empire ground combat looked neat. Because they had extras which dont require alot of time compared to cgi / models.
Jedi, actually look at the battle scenes, scale was big. But not much was actually going on while the camera was there. Most things were static
Budget of animation production and time.
“Those V-wings and their technological upgrades as well as newfangled design philosophy greatly helped us realize the ability to have air superiority during a battle. I remember having a lot more fun scattering droids about landscape as long as there wasn’t a hail of explosive and energy weapons coming out from the sky at my entire platoon from the get-go. It is very interesting see the multi-faceted arms race that occurred in such a short time. Both the galactic empire and rebels have been known to take the combat data from previous engagements and apply it. The empire streamlined for cost and production numbers with their TIE/LN series and the rebels build up something that was nonstandardized, fast, less stable, and armed to the teeth with concussion missiles.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Ty
This is the same man talking about anakins warcrimes in Yerbana
Bro what is this gmod rp 14yo discord fan fiction shit?
And your shit don’t even make sense, you got a clone trooper talking about the empire and rebels, while also talking about V wings like it’s still the clone wars. Why is a Captain a platoon commander, and why is a platoon commander also a scout? Fuck they are a siege battalion why would they want a scout with the qualifications to be a company commander. Not gonna get into why a “Siege Battalion” makes no sense because that’s on star wars lore writers, not you. I read their wookiepedia page and it seems like they can’t figure out what they actually want that unit to do (it says they are infantry but actually they are tanks, but actually they don’t use tanks they use ATRTs, but they only siege so they never use ATRTs and instead they use ISP speeders, expect that also makes no sense for a siege.
@@klidthelid8361 Yes
The Senate was the most OP entity in all of Star Wars.
And grass is green.
@@geetslys wait what
Well he DID have ulimited power
Yes because the senate IS palpatine
V-wing is freaking cool and awesome
Welp, you summarized the video in one sentence.
It's fascinating how this ship is the direct ancestor of both the A Wing and the TIE fighter, and you can see elements of both ships in it's design.
Fun fact. A V-Wing appears in one of the repair bays aboard the Venator in The Clone Wars episode Victory and Death.
I don't think anyone who's played battlefront 2(the original) could forget the V wing.
For a Bomber, it's surprisingly good at dogfighting.
Agreed, always wondered why the V-wing was a bomber in that game.
@@straswa there was no canon Republic bomber in 2005, and the V wing was only a background ship with no lore at that time, so they used it to fill the Republics lack of bomber for that game
@@VGLounge Makes sense I guess.
Of course today we know that the republic should have had the Y wing and the CIS the Hyena for their bombers, but at the time it wasn't yet established what bombers those factions used. It's the same reason why the Rebellion got LAAT gunships for their transports instead of U wings
To be honest, I feel that the Vulture is both under-appreciated, yet also at the same time perhaps underutilized/designed. I mean, the things can WALK, but they never seem to be used as walkers outside of hangars. Slap on a small anti-personel blaster or two (on pivots even), and make its droid brain able to switch into a "land mode" of operation so that it can enter facilities as a heavier weapons support for B-1s, and you'd have made the Vulture so much more frightening. A fighter that, when no longer needed for air superiority, can just come down and break down your door and walk into your facilities to support the waves of drones already giving you hell with fighter-grade weaponry... indoors.
Not even mentionning it would be a formidable boarding unit, obliterating everything in hangars/docks.
Well, that would depend on them not being run by morons.
Interesting how the republic used a ship that looked like a Tie fighter and an X wing.
Design-wise it's interesting but in term of story-telling it's a bit weird. The Jedi and Sith have fought each other for centuries and they each use distinctive visual cues to identify themselves with, e.g. red light sabers vs rainbow sabers. Surely, someone, a Jedi archive keeper or a civilian geek, would've noticed and questioned why the Republic is building war machines that look like the supposedly-extinct Sith designs.
I don't mind if triangular, wedge ships and flap-winged fighters actually did originate in the prequels but that wasn't the case. We see Siths religiously using such obvious designs since the Old Republic. It's like if the European Union one day revealed their new army filled with modernized but still boxy Tiger tanks and sporting stylized swastikas.
@@dareka9425 In-universe, s-foils and space wedges are popular choices because fighters with s-foils are renowned for greater mobility, and space wedge designs create a ship that has nothing but armored edges covered in guns pointing at the enemy, with a low defensive profile considering the actual size of the ship. Both are used fairly extensively by pretty much everyone in the galaxy for so long because they're just good at what they do. Additionally, tech in star wars doesn't advance as fast as you think, star wars is kind of like the end game of stellaris where you have everything researched and are just streamlining your tech more and more.
@@KaptainSparta Technically you're right. Story telling-wise it still doesn't make sense because those tech are used as recognizable symbols to represent a faction. So it's still weird that the Jedi, especially those that take care of the archives, doesn't realize that they are using tech designs used specifically by their ancient mortal enemy.
V-Wing is my favorite starfighter in Star Wars.
B-Wing fans where you at?
X-Wing be like:
Excuse me?
@@geetslys reject Y-Wing, revert to B-Wing
@@physicists9486 i don’t like the x-wing
@@Heisenberg-so9vj *visible confusion*
"fly at 4800x the force of gravity" mmmmmmm yes phösics
"truly terrifying speed"
DUDE!!! Soon as I first saw the V Wing in the ROTS trailer long ago it caught my attention. That ship's criminally underrated and my Favorite starfighter in the prequels & Clone Wars! I got wishful thinking we'll see it in the Bad Batch show
I feel like they'll just roll out TIE fighter too early and ignore the lore
Yeah, hope they appear and try to clobber the squad... until backup arrives, of course.
@@goodmind4940 Nah, they're here.
@@sambridgers9543 that's good
I really hope we see this Starfighter in Bad Batch, especially the Imperialized version
Our wish came true
We see them in the first episode on Kamino so it wouldn't be a silly idea to see them in the future episode. Hopefully we also see Imperial Venators.
@@crimsoncarnotaurus if only we didn’t
@@sugdolomar True that! I hope we get to see the Imperial ARC-170 Starfighter next
The ARC-170 wasn’t properly used by the Republic Navy, it should have played the role of a dive bomber instead of just a fighter
It shouldn’t have been used at all, it was far too bulky and losing one meant losing three men, in the long run the ARC-170 was not a very economical craft and if the war dragged on the republic would suffer from extended losses on fighters that just aren’t that good
@@senatorluxbonteri6065 It's not that bad. It was a jack of all stats.
Seems to me, with the 3-person crew and tail-gunner, the ARC-170 should have been a more capable fighter, similar to the Ghost. But they didn't show it that way.
@@jedironin380 I think the implications are that it was already out-dated when the Clone Wars started, and was all but forced into service due to the total lack of something to do the job. Old technology that used to do the job, but newer advances render it all but obsolete.
I always wished we saw more Vwings in Clone Wars content
Yeah, what a waste. One season of at least 13 eps just wasn't enough.
I love how the V-Wing's design is simultaneously reminiscent of the A-Wing and the TIE Fighter, almost symbolic of the Empire's rise from the Republic, yet the beliefs in less dictatorial power of the Rebellion
The V wing and the CIS bomber are my favorite star wars ship designs ever in all of sci fi.
They are jjst so Smooth and sleek in nature and in the 2005 battle front games they were so good!
They operated so well and were easy to control and their firepower was crazy strong.
bruh when that game made the v wing a bomber lmao
Geetsly: *Discussing the V-Wing*
Me: “Whoever’s piloting that fighter in Battlefront II, stop flying through the damn arch.”
I know the V-wing because of the Lego sets. I love it because of that.
The V Wing is probably one of my favorite starfighters
The V-Wing is the SECOND-most underrated starship in all of science fiction.
I started watching your history channels and I was like, that guy sounds familiar. Then your Geetsly channel popped back into my recommendations and I realized why.
Gottem.
I wish the Homing Spider Droid and the Hailfire Droid appeared in the show. They were iconic to the Separatist before the show even aired.
Where my V-Wings at?
Here!
@@geetslys Thx for reply!!!
Reporting in
The v wing has always been my favorite starfighter. It’s not only very effective, it looks badass.
I think one of the most overlooked aspects of the Star Wars timeline is that they have had hyperspace capability for approx. 25 millennia. My point being that the technology level reached a point where the progress moves at a snails pace. I get that every new movie needs new ships and we, as a short lived race continue to 'make new things' just for the sake of making new things. In the SW universe though we seem to get a continuous stream of new ships without pondering the 'why' of it or maybe the logic of it. I think it would be relatively common to see ships that have been around for several hundred years because the technology, based on what is in most of the timelines, has plateaued. The same with blaster tech, lightsaber contruction, power cells, etc. I find it immense enjoyment in pondering these things in my favorite universe. Also, consider the implication of tech advances in regards to social media and video storage. Would it be so rare to find videos from say 4000 years before in an archive? Considering the level of tech in this universe and that it has hit a plateau.... just some things to have fun pondering.
I personally like the theory that Star Wars technology only improves during times of war. When mass resources are pulled to push the technological limit. In times of peace, tech stagnates cause there is no need or little incentive to do so. Just a theory.
There are actually a few ships that have been around for an incredible amount of time, such as the dreadnought class heavy cruiser and invincible class cruiser.
“You probably don’t know what the V-wing is”
Everyone who grew up with the Battlefront series: Brave, but foolish.
Yes, but did you know they were actually Interceptors instead of Bombers?
Yeah, my ROTS vehicle line, Titanium series, Battlegrounds, and Empire at War mods disagree.
To quote the great count dooku
"I've been looking forward to this"
Replacing aircraft makes sense , remember ww2 how many allied aircraft versions like British had 7 spitfire types , supermarine , harker hurricanes , American had Lockheed , Boeing ,and both had other aircraft types it was a very research and development heavy conflict yet it did last much longer than the clone wars
The K-Wing is the best A-10 sci-fi proxy.
The K-Wing seems more like a B-29 to me.
@@geetslys The B-29 was a long range bomber, though, plus it had some engineering problems, just like the E-Wing; it's also famous or infamous because of what happened in August 1945...
I have a doubt, the capital ships will continue to grow after the sequels?
The Nebulon-C had more than 500 meters and the old Nebulon-B had 300 meters, The MC85 had 3.4 km and the old MC80 had 1.2 km.
do you believe that in the future of canon the capital ships will become even bigger?
That would be cool :)
This is getting too much. If this continues, there will be a galaxy sized warship in the future.
I dont like this overly much. Making the ships larger will make captial ships even less manuverable than they are now (Comeing from someone that plays Star Wars RTS games). Making a ship bigger doesn't make it cooler......
Seeing as Disney is relying on the pickup truck method of making things cooler? Bigger but with as little improvement as possible
It's funny that in Battlefront 2 2005 these were bombers
The V-wing in my opinion is one of the best if not the best interceptors we've seen in star wars. They were very well balanced with offense and defense. And their speed was almost unmatched. Beautiful fighter.
Its a pity we didnt see these beautiful starfighters in the clone wars tv series.Was expecting to see some of these aircrafts in S7 😣
The V-Wing was actually my very first lego starwars set when I was maybe 5 or 6 years old and Episode III was premiering. It holds a special place in my childhood.
As a kid, my brothers had a V-Wing lego set, so it will always be special to me, more so than the ARC-170 and LAAT gunship (which are also both candy to my eyes)
The V-Wing actually appeared in Victory and Death if you look close in the maintenance hanger you can see one under repair
True, but they weren't launched, sadly.
the aurek line is arguably the most successful line of fighters in history
Agreed. Never mess with the classics since 4000 BBY.
I swear I remember seeing a V-Wing in the background of the lower hanger in the last episode of Clone Wars Season 7. But even Wookipeadia doesn't mention it so maybe I'm wrong.
The V Wing was so much fun to fly in 2005s Battlefront 2
In many ways, the V-Wing was a direct predecessor to the TIE fighter
And a better predecessor at that.
Accept better in every metric except speed
Actually it's the A Wing's direct predecessor.
@@sargesrecap2267
V wing is faster then a tie fighter
it also has been used by the empire for about the fist then years. in 14 bby, the Grand Moff Tarkin's TIE fighter project started being produced and used not as a prototype anymore.
(Star Wars: Tarkin by James Luceno)
How many years were they used for i think you made a spelling mistake?
@@DanBen07 is now better? Thabks for the advice pal
I love the arc 170s and the clone wars z95
I really like how they were used during the Bad Batch. There shape reminded me of TIE Fighters since at this point the Republic had become the Empire but they were still using Republic weaponry. While the Arc-170 Strafighter was reminiscent of an X Wings, reminding us that the Republic were the good guys, the V-Wing is showed to be used during the Bad Batch, basically showing us the predecessor to the TIE Figher.
I remember when my only exposure to the v-wing was the OG star wars battlefront 2 and it was a bomber class.
Man this is so much cooler
The N-1 Starfighter is immensely underrated in my opinion. I'd love to see a video on the N-1.
TIE Fighter and A-Wing: our ancestor :)
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@@LucyWest370 then you are my enemy *ignites lightsaber
@@ontasbulent5709 I will do what I must
@@LucyWest370 *throws sand into your face
Geetsly’s: You’re probably less familiar with the V-Wing
OG Battlefront players: You underestimate my power!
It isn't a bomber like in OG battlefront
I had an imperial V-Wing lego from back in the day. That thing was awesome.
finally someone who has done their research and knows how insanely good the V-Wing actually was
0:48 glad to be a star wars reader and being familiar with them.
The v-wing is one of the ships i flew the most in the original battlefront 2 and i wish we had seen them more.
They did appear in the victory and death episode of the clone wars.
and couples episodes of the bad batch
@@harrycheseldine9892 yes
I’m surprised you see more people in books and stories using Z-95’s and never hear about anyone using a V-Wing. Later V-wings we’re fit with hyperdrives.
There was also no Homing spider droids, hailfire droids, hard cell transports, corporate alliance tank droids, commerce guild transports and SPHA-Ts in the clone wars series.
The tank droids were in the pilot movie
I hope we see more of them in the Bad Batch
The idea of V-Wings pouring out of a Venator satisfies My OCD to an immeasurable extent.
Honestly, I agree that the V-wing is one of the more underrated star fighters in science fiction, especially since it's design could be used in both Newtonian, and space naval fights! I honestly wish that we saw at least a prototype in Clone Wars being used.
The V-wing has and will always be my favorite star fighter. No idea why.
The v wing is one of my favourite ships in Star Wars, like ever. I wish they had more exposure
I think it appeared in bad batch.
The space battle over Coruscant in ep III still takes my breath after all these years
The V-19 Torrent always reminded me of Starcraft's Terran Wraith.
It’s like a cross between an A-Wing and a Tie Fighter
Today I learned that the V-Wing was an interceptor, and not a Bomber like OG Battlefront 2 would have me believe.
That V-wing is awesome! I’d love to see them in Star Wars moving forward.
My first ever lego set was a imperial v-wing and they have been one of my favorite starfighters ever since.
Hope Squadrons or its sequel makes them available for flight sim combat.
Hey Geetsly's, when are we getting a video on Geode? I think he's a really rock solid addition to the franchise. There's a mountain of lore to get through.
I'd classify the V-19 and Z-95 as you're standard Starfighter, like the X-wing, and the ARC-170 as a Heavy Fighter, like the B-wing, V-wing is and interceptor like the A-wing. I like to think the Republic tried the first 2 as a standard fighter with the ARC-170 introduced later for special missions. But as the war dragged on the number of pilots kept getting less. and so to best counter the vast number of droid fighters the ARC-170 was put to the front as the new base Starfighter. Better to have a more specialized military if you can't win through sheer numbers. Meanwhile the V-wing was put in as a back up Starfighter to work at taking out enemy fighters with it's specialized pilots and maneuverability. Basically they ARC-170 works as a sort of bomber and specialist fighter, the V-wings can focus more on intercepting and destroying enemies.
My favorite republic star fighter. Thanks giving it the respect it deserves.
We do actually see them in TCW. During the Fives arc, v wings are shown patrolling Palpatine's medical center I think. It might have been a different site, but they're definitely shown in the show in that story arc.
This may be the most underrated starfighter in Star Wars but I freaking love it design is cool battlefront two is also part of it the ship is interesting and really epic
Most underrated ship in all of science fiction is the imperial eagle from Elite Dangerous, one of the most slept on sci-fi games out there.
The V-Wing is the most underrated starfighter of the Galactic Republic because the amount of screen time and lore.
But now, the second trailer for the Bad Batch series shows V-Wings. I certainly hope we get more interior shot for the V-Wing since Battlefront 2 (2017).
I remember when the original battlefront 2 used these as bombers
Always loved the V-wing. Favorite fighter
Well the v wings were still in operation 5 years after the clone wars in Tarkin novel but your probably well aware
Underrated star fighter
…So, the ship I designed for my OC is like a sort of… Pseudo-V-wing? It started as an “Ugly” (thanks, RPG Gamer) combining a Delta-7B Aethersprite hull with TIE Interceptor wings and engine(s)… Then I decided to plate over the upper hull with TIE solar panels for a little more power (besides, I don’t need _eight_ laser cannons on this thing), then replace the lower hull cannons with something else, for more variety…Even has a similar shape, a wedge with (mostly) vertical wings… Although, I’m thinking about having the wings fold upward, somewhat like the B-wing’s folding wings, since TIEs aren’t exactly known for their landing gear with those wings in the way…
I really wish I had a Lego model of one of these because they look cool, but Lego doesn't make one at the moment.
Great video
i loved this on the og BF2, the concussion cannons were a beast
3:55 => this is what I was looking for, I just had a moment of "Why does it has wings ? it just looks like more area to get hit." now I've got my answer, though I believe they could have been oriented differently while keeping the efficiency and reducing the targetable suface from side..
V wing was always one of my favorite starfighters
We also can't forget the specialized bomber variant of the V-Wing equipped with heavier armor, "shotgun" blasters and proton bombs. It was flown by members of the 501st in space battles over Felucia, Mygeeto and Kashyyk and could be piloted without a specialized flight suit. It could be flown by regular clone pilots and even clone marines, and even droids that managed to board the Venator, go figure.
I hope we will see this craft in Bad Batch
YES! Cannot wait until May 4th!
@@geetslys V-Wings are here.
I actually would like to see a massive battle with those v wings and all that stuff
In the original Battlefront 2 they served as bombers, they were a bit slower but they were still fantastic at dogfighting and could rip through an enemy fleet within minutes. All time favorite Republic start-fighter.
the v-wing is one of my favorite republic fighers.
The breakneck maneuvers that would splatter organic beings in the cockpit would only in gravity/atmosphere.
I'd bet that most starfighter combat is seen in space.
When I was a kid, I recheived the Lego black V-wing starfighter, and I was mad about it, because I wanted a Yedi starfighter Lego not V-wing 😂 Now it is in pieces, but I managed to rebuild it half-wise, and I totally like it! (It is the Lego Imperial V-wing Starfighter 7915) ;)
For April Fools Week (March 29th to April 4th): the Q-Wing OR your own ‘ugly’ vehicle/vessel in Star Wars (might want to include any similar craft for your other channels).
Q-Wing: I personally believe that it was initially designed after General Grievous’s wheel bike & it was designed to fly through imperial trenches & such…
v-wing is my favorite fighter and the two who accompanied Sidius had hyperdrive ;-)
Great vid Geetsly's! Always wondered why the V-Wings gets so little fanfare.
I just remember flying one in the old Battlefront 2 game.