I KNEW it would hold up phenomenally well!!! Thanks so much for letting us know!! Just wondering please if you don’t mind, what’s the longest run you’ve used it on and what’s your verdict on it as a long run shoe??? I have my first 50km ultra coming up very soon and am seriously considering using this shoe !!
6’3’’ 220 pound runner and I absolutely love these shoes. 400+ miles and they still look brand new. The durability on them is like no other. Pair them with the speed 3 for workouts and the pro 3 for races and it all just works so well. Saucony is absolutely killing it
@@jesustsa1 really good, slightly wobbly so for just walking I wouldn’t recommend them, but once you get going it doesn’t matter the pace it’s super comfortable for bigger guys like us lol
I’m 6’3 & 218 pounds & loved my Triumph 20’s from the first run. Have just hit 100 miles & agree with Kofuzi, it still looks & feels like new. Bought another pair a month or so ago on sale after the 21 came out, but at this rate I won’t be using them until well into 2024!
I feel like this shoe can do almost anything. It’s plenty soft and subsequently hard to do strides in, but long intervals, easy runs, long runs and even tempos seem to work just fine. I’m 350 miles in, very little (to no!) wear and tear, and outsole still holding up fine.
@@robertlangdon494 I use the retired pair for walking, the 10mm drop isn't that noticeable if you ask me, probably because of the cushioning, as it is a bit softer you sink in a bit. I find them very comfortable for walking.
I've had this pair since late December'22 and 144 miles later, they show no sign of wear. These feel as good as new. Easy runs feel very comfortable and cushiony. And it's almost as if they are begging you to go faster, and when you do, oh boy they feel springy and fast. Previously I had the Triumph 18 and was able to squeeze 700 miles out of them. I still wear them as casual go-to-the-store sneakers.
Ran Chicago marathon in mine last year and they were a dream. For me as near to the perfect running shoe as I’m going find. They are just starting to be discontinued here in the uk so ordered another pair for stock. Outstanding video thanks. Ian 🇬🇧
Honestly this is a best kept open secret. You get the Power Run Plus so it’s a step up from most of the other daily trainers from Saucony. It’s great for daily, long, and recovery. I even ran a 5k in them! Bought a second pair for work/walking only. A near perfect winner all around IMHO…
I have been using this shoe for long runs (13-17) miles. I love it, light and it provides me with protection for those long miles. I have put close to 300 miles and not feeling flat yet. I will probably use for another 25 miles.
My kid is a cross country runner and we follow you exclusively for content. Like every runner he has LOTS of shoes. He used to be almost exclusively Saucony. Once we switched to Nike his injuries seemed to lessen. Since moving to Adidas Adios as a race shoe and the Asics Gel Nimbus 25's as a trainer they've almost gone away completely. Your reviews have been critical along the way.
Excellent stuff here thank you for giving a shout out to the bigger and taller runners. They definitely use the Triumph series and the 1080 series as daily trainers.
thx I need extra cushioning after returning to running as a master after leg injury and these are perfect - picked up at great discount as not the latest model now
@@kofuzi my one change request on this shoe would be the drop. I wish it would get the Novablast treatment, just a touch more in the forefoot, less in the heel, and a lower drop. Really minor though.
I'm 300lbs, 15 2E, and wore my Triumph Iso 5s every single day for 3 years until the midsole broke in half at the forefoot and the crystal rubber fell off. Something like 8000 miles of walking. The midsole was still as cushy as when I got it, but they collected water in the rain and were hazardous on hard floors at work once the rubber started coming off. I have since worn the 18s daily for 2 years, and have a pair of the 19s and 20s on stand-by. These are absolutely the best shoes you can get as a neutral clydesdale.
I didn't even know there's a wide option for triumph until i read your comments. I just started running again earlier this month after I picked a pair of ghost max 8us(4e) as a daily trainer. I guess now i could pick triumph 19 (probably the size would be 8.5) for my long runs.
Really nailed this one! I'm 6'5" and this has been my favorite this year. I used to be all Novablast all the time, but the 3 flattens way too early for me but the pwr run+ is as springy as ever 400k in.
200 miles in with my pair. Still feel new and fresh. I’ve done a little bit of everything in them including long tempo runs, strides, and easy runs. They feel adaptable to most anything except maybe a true speed workout or race day. Other than road dirt they still basically look new too which is amazing. Super durable and great all-around shoe.
I had the 18's and now the 20. What a differrence! The 18's were plush, but the 20's are softer but with rebound, so a much improved over a decent shoe already. This is a good looking shoe as well. Well designed and very durable. This is a great daily/recovery shoe for me.
👟🏃🏼My rotation includes Saucony Endorphin Pro 2, Nike Vaporfly 2 Next %, Asics Novablast 3, Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 and Saucony Triumph 20. The Saucony Triumph 20 is one of my favorites for daily training. Fit is absolutely perfect for me and just the right amount of weight and cushioning. They might even be my favorite daily runners for 2023.
@@haoli4164 They both play a part in my “daily” training shoe. I like to rotate them once a week. While both I find to be fantastic daily runners, I prefer the Saucony Triumph 20. Novablast 3 is a tad too long in structure, while the Saucony is more rounded and better fitted at the toe box area but still leaving plenty of room. Hope this helps.
Great review and very much in line with everything I experienced in this shoe. I have been loving the Triumphs since the 17 and I think the 20 is an improvement on everything but one aspect: the drop. For me the heel gets in the way a bit and I keep feeling it. Hope they’ll go back to 8 mm in some future itteration! Surprisingly, for this use case I found the Asics Glideride 3 to be an excellent alternative that I gravitate more towards at the moment. Nevertheless: still a very good shoe!
I have the moreV4 and just got the triumph20 , there is no comparison in my opinion... The moreV4 just don't work for me despite all the positive reviews online. The tr20 is soooo mich better! Regardless , go try on your shoes before buying! Everybody's feet and runong is different! Happy running! 💪😉
I absolutely LOVE this shoe, 2 pairs, 1 for training and one for marathon days. I’ve got 3 pairs of Endorphin Pro 3’s but the Triumph 20 is my protective go-to!
Great shoe! The combination of compression and rebound is superior; I will likely buy a 2nd pair before they are gone. Best shoe I’ve run in for easy day pace, and it will firm up nicely if you pick up the cadence.
I think you get the point. It’s an in between shoe but everybody talks about this as a max cush, which is not. I also find the fit a bit tricky , the upper too heavy and the lockdown not the best. Foam is very good and springy but not so cushioned. Overall quality is very high indeed.
Saucony hasn't really nailed down max cushion like asics has w the nimbus 25, hoka w the bondis, and brooks w the glycerin. Saucony pwrrun plus has always been on the firmer side when it comes to cushion...take a look at their endorphin shift 3. It has a stack height of 39mm and its one of their more firmer shoes. Triumoh is heading in the daily trainer category and I think they instead should consider making a new max cushion shoe using pwrn pb foam like nike does w the invincible
I got triumph 20 in india at 65 dollar in October 2022. Its a great daily training shoe. And i found it at great discount. And i have 1080 v12 also. I purchased that at 70 dollar at the same time in october. Both are great deals i think.
I have 606 miles in the Triumph 20 and the only wear on them are localized to the outsole. Midsole still feels incredible. Kind of scared to try another shoe because these just work so damn well for me
I have both the normal 20 and the Runshield and they still feel great to me. I needed the shield version as we were getting tons of rain in the Bay Area for a while.
On the fence about purchasing the Saucony Triumpth 20 or the Gel-Nimbus 25. I did my first half marathon with no training and crappy beat up old shoes. I still managed to push through in just over 2hrs / blisters, cramps, muscle pain and all - and I'M HOOKED! Already signed up for my next 21km race, old shoes went into the garbage and now looking to buy a pair as my first and only real running shoe. Wanting to look after my legs this time so high cushion is what I'm looking for to protect from shin splints, knee, calf and achiles pain. This video was helpful just trying to decide. I'm doing both trail and road races and can't really afford more than 1 pair yet so a sole that can handle different road surfaces 🤷♀️
I have ran nearly 350 miles on my Saucony Triumph 20's. I absolutely LOVE them! I run 4-6 miles most days and never even think of my feet - it's wonderful. No knee pain, no ankle pain, no black toes, etc. Just run and enjoy it, everyday! I help coach a small school XC team, so a lot of our training is on dirt/gravel/grass, and maybe a 1/4 of my running is on cement. The Triumph 20's are still holding up great. I plan on getting another pair as they are now selling for just over $100 on most sites. Previously I had the Speed 2s which I really enjoyed overall, but after 5 or 6 miles my body and feet would start to feel it just a bit. The Speed 2s are fun shoes and encouraged me to go faster, but I like the Triumphs as my daily trainer as they just help keep me on a nice everyday steady pace. But I was able to pick up the pace on a good trail and did a mile run in about 6:45, so they can be versatile, if needed. Also, the Triumph 20s are more stable than the Speed 2s, as I have never rolled my ankle with the Triumphs, but did several times with the Speed 2s. The Triumphs are very comfortable to walk in as well.
I got close to 192 miles and the forefoot started to feel flat to me. All of the foam in the heel would be nice up front. I'm around 190ish lbs. Had to retire it early, hopefully I get more miles out of the Nimbus 25.
Try the Triumph 19. It had an 8mm drop instead of the 10mm in the 20. (Although, iirc, the added stack height in the 20 gave it more stack height in the forefoot than the 19)
super confortable the 1080 v 12, and for wide feet, its great. I finished the outsole quite quickly (mostly walking have to admit), about 3.5 miles daily for aprox 5 to 6 months.
Its the insoles that make these shoes feel the way they do. Swap them out for a standard pair and they feel completely different. They didnt work for me ended up using them more for walking and at the gym.
I watched Mike's review about the hotspot on his initial video, and I noticed it when I first bought mine at about mile 5 or 6 on the first run or two, but after that never noticed again and I've now put on nearly 350 miles. Shoes feel fantastic to run in everyday. =)
Thank you for a great and informative review! I'm a bit on the heavier side, 180 cm and 97 kg. I've in the past had Nike Vomero as my "daily cushioned shoe" (if that makes sense), but I feel like mixing things up a bit! So I've kept an eye on Triumph 20. Where would you guys, kofuzi and comment readers, say the Triumph stands in a comparison against Vomero? Eg - if I like Vomero, will I most likely also like Triumph? Cheers from Sweden!
I'm looking for a high cushioned daily trainer / revovery shoe that is capable of doing long runs, fast finishing long runs and strides. I'm between this and the Novablast 3... any opinions?
Honestly, I have multiple pairs of the Novablast 3 (including the TR) and it performs fantastic. I bought the Triumph 20 about a week ago and my feet have been hurting since my first walk in them…not run…walk. I’m not giving up on them yet but so far their not treating my feet and knees so great. (Disclaimer: Only used them for walks, recovery & mid-distance run)
@@mtnrnnr50 I tried the Novablast for a week thanks to a friend of mine, and I absolutely loved them! Do you recommend the TR or the regular version? Is the Novablast softer and bouncier than the Triumph?
@@cristianfcao The TR are better for when it’s wet outside and you take the turns fast. TR is great for non-technical trail runs. So far the Novablast has been an amazing shoe. The Triumph I’ve only had about a week and my feet/knees have hurt since day 1. It may take a break-in period. I won’t give up on it yet
Thinking of these! I bounced of Adidas shoes very quickly and I’ve found my Nikes age quickly and I start to feel more niggles. I use North Face and Saucony for trail and love them, so planning to try a Saucony road shoe.
loved this shoe until I got a case of runners knee, returned and (anecdotally) haven’t had runner’s knee since, sad this shoe didn’t work for me because it was great otherwise! Perfect daily trainer companion to the Speed/Pro workout/race combo!
From out of the box my pair of the 20's has a weird spot in the richt heel where there is a faulty finish, some pressing into the inner side of my heel, doesn't affect me visible but it annoys me massivly knowing it is there and feeling it.
i had a weird spot it seemed like, in the right heel of mines out of the box. after 2 weeks it went away and i've been wearing them for a couple months now and they're awesome. i think you have to break them in but that's interesting that it's the right heel...
Would you recommend this as long distance ( recovery) shoe .I train and race in hoka. So 5 mil drop this 10 won't legs get confused? Or will that 10 mil be beneficial.thanks
I’m going to be getting back into cross country season soon. Do you think this’ll work well for those type of runs and maybe some longer/tempo mile workouts?
I think this shoe might be a bit bulky for that. I think the Endorphin Speed might be preferable for your speed work. But I’d go with XC flats for your racing
hi mike, whats your take on the difference between 19s and 20s? I am having quite issues with its foam under heel, which weirdly interacts with my stride and after longer runs I feel pains and niggles around achilles’ and calfs. I recall you had some similar issues with sauconies models about 2 or 3 years ago. So is it still a thing? Have you noticed something in such area?
It doesn’t seem like your issue would be related to what he was going through. He has issues because of the inherent stability some of their models had. This is not something the triumph 20 has. I suppose the 19 was a little more stable than the new one, but still very different than the ride13/14 which is what I think gave Kofuzi issues.
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@@paddywiggle I mean it may be the same thing, not so different. I’m talking about the inherent stability of triumph 19s which may be the same thing he encountered with the sauconies you mentioned. The results may differ. And I asked whether something of it remained till triumph 20s.
Totally different. Only similarity would be the forefoot rocker and stiffness is similar. They would be good shoes to have as a rotation, because of that, though.
@@paddywiggle just refuse to use triumph due to 10mm drop. 8 is high enough already for me...if they brought the shoe as is down to 8 and brought the weight down id buy a pair, but why would i when there is the novablast or mach 5?
Wasn't a pleasure for me. I had a size 12 wide, and bought them on sale. Had to return them for two reasons. It was so unstable for me. Almost twisted my ankle several times.. It only the sole was wider, and not just the upper. The other reason was the outsole in the heel area was peeling off the midsole. To Saucony's credit, they did allow me to return it for a refund.
I had a tough decision to make between the asics gel nimbus 25 or the saucony triumph 20. I got the gel nimbus because I couldn't get over the intrusive heel cushion. Does the heel cushion calm down after a while?
I’m not sure I’ve experienced the intrusive heel cushion you’re mentioning. I’m also not clear whether you experienced intrusive heel cushion on the Nimbus 25 or the Triumph 20
Currently looking for another pair of running shoes, for my rotation. Currently running the rebel v2 for treadmill workouts, the Novablast 3 for threshold runs, and the invisible V2 for base runs/Long runs. And the Vaporfly v2 for race days. I weigh around 92 kg. and stand 6 feet and 2" . So i do think i will wear the midsole down, faster than lighter runners. Will this shoe be able ro hold up 🤔.
I felt what he was talking about on my first two runs (around mile 5), but have now put on nearly 350 miles in my Triumph 20s and they feel absolutely fantastic!
Hi bud, im looking for a shoe that doesn't make my knees, brusie feel I use like alfaflys and legs fill so good could you tell me a shoe possibly for a Dailly shoes or even a shoe that does both daily and speed work? Thanks
Hello Kofuzi! I think I can pick the triumph 20 for 100€....I guess this would pair well with Takumi Sen 9 + Deviate Nitro Elite 2 ? (I'm missing something for longer runs)
The tempus is lovely and fits similar. Narrow instep, average midfoot and wide toebox. It may just be a bit firmer than you’d expect a shoe with PWRRUN pb would have. It’s soft in the heel and on toe off but not particularly soft in the throat of the shoe. You can also feel the arch so if you have flat feet or a low arch you may feel it and get rubbing before it breaks in, so just beware.
@@kofuzi RW sometimes has a 50% off for saucony shoes, you just need to be patient. I got the Endo Pro 2 for 100 and the triumph 19 for 80 bucks last year 😁😁😁. I’m not in a rush, so I can wait 🙈🙈😆😆
I must have gotten duds. The foam is falling apart on both of mine and on one, the rubber at the heel and the toe is coming apart after less than 300 miles
Buy some shoe glue. Will fix the rubber issue and it’s nice to have around in case anything ever happens on other shoes. Just don’t go crazy with it because glue adds weight to a shoe
@@genslinton the ride 16 is very firm, feels like Kinvara really, just more padding in the heel collar and a bit heavier. They’ve been fine and a nice contrast to my endorphin speeds.
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A little over 500 miles in my Triumph 20s and still going strong 💪
I KNEW it would hold up phenomenally well!!! Thanks so much for letting us know!! Just wondering please if you don’t mind, what’s the longest run you’ve used it on and what’s your verdict on it as a long run shoe??? I have my first 50km ultra coming up very soon and am seriously considering using this shoe !!
6’3’’ 220 pound runner and I absolutely love these shoes. 400+ miles and they still look brand new. The durability on them is like no other. Pair them with the speed 3 for workouts and the pro 3 for races and it all just works so well. Saucony is absolutely killing it
Thanks for the durability feedback!
How is the stability I’m 6’2 235😅
@@jesustsa1 really good, slightly wobbly so for just walking I wouldn’t recommend them, but once you get going it doesn’t matter the pace it’s super comfortable for bigger guys like us lol
I’m 6’3 & 218 pounds & loved my Triumph 20’s from the first run. Have just hit 100 miles & agree with Kofuzi, it still looks & feels like new. Bought another pair a month or so ago on sale after the 21 came out, but at this rate I won’t be using them until well into 2024!
I feel like this shoe can do almost anything. It’s plenty soft and subsequently hard to do strides in, but long intervals, easy runs, long runs and even tempos seem to work just fine. I’m 350 miles in, very little (to no!) wear and tear, and outsole still holding up fine.
nice update!
I had a 1000k on my first pair and they still look good, surprised with the durability for sure. Great shoe
do you reckon it'd be good for walking? im not sure about that 10mm drop off
@@robertlangdon494 I use the retired pair for walking, the 10mm drop isn't that noticeable if you ask me, probably because of the cushioning, as it is a bit softer you sink in a bit. I find them very comfortable for walking.
I have 3 pairs of Triumph 20s in rotation. I love them and I started with the Triumph 19s after having plantar Fasciitis.
i had some old shoes that were hurting my foot bad and switched to the 20's and it stopped. They're awesome.
@rosshurt795 They just dropped the Triumph 22s they look amazing ! I might have to try them 🤔
I've had this pair since late December'22 and 144 miles later, they show no sign of wear. These feel as good as new. Easy runs feel very comfortable and cushiony. And it's almost as if they are begging you to go faster, and when you do, oh boy they feel springy and fast.
Previously I had the Triumph 18 and was able to squeeze 700 miles out of them. I still wear them as casual go-to-the-store sneakers.
I've had 2 pairs go over 650 miles. Absolutely love these and haven't had a shoe last as long as these ever. Ultimate mileage shoe
Wow. Nice work!
brooks beast >>>2.000miles
Ran Chicago marathon in mine last year and they were a dream. For me as near to the perfect running shoe as I’m going find. They are just starting to be discontinued here in the uk so ordered another pair for stock.
Outstanding video thanks. Ian 🇬🇧
The best shoes i owned in 2023. Simply awesome.
I totally agree, today I bought my second pair in 85$.
@@joseordonez9090 I just bought them new and i feel no cushion in the forefoot it feel hard to me. Is there a break in time?
@@jamjw1 Absolutely, I think about 50k-70K, and they feel much better as the miles go by.
Let us know over time if they improved 💪🏽
@@joseordonez9090 For sure.
@@joseordonez9090Started to feel better around 20k mark. Nice and plush now.
Honestly this is a best kept open secret. You get the Power Run Plus so it’s a step up from most of the other daily trainers from Saucony. It’s great for daily, long, and recovery. I even ran a 5k in them! Bought a second pair for work/walking only. A near perfect winner all around IMHO…
I have been using this shoe for long runs (13-17) miles. I love it, light and it provides me with protection for those long miles. I have put close to 300 miles and not feeling flat yet. I will probably use for another 25 miles.
My kid is a cross country runner and we follow you exclusively for content. Like every runner he has LOTS of shoes. He used to be almost exclusively Saucony. Once we switched to Nike his injuries seemed to lessen. Since moving to Adidas Adios as a race shoe and the Asics Gel Nimbus 25's as a trainer they've almost gone away completely. Your reviews have been critical along the way.
That’s wonderful to hear!
Kofuzi - MASTER OF REVIEWS, thank You for this video !
I ran 2 versions of the Triumphs into the ground great shoes but again it's Saucony I expect it. Thanks for the review Kofuzi!
Excellent stuff here thank you for giving a shout out to the bigger and taller runners. They definitely use the Triumph series and the 1080 series as daily trainers.
thx I need extra cushioning after returning to running as a master after leg injury and these are perfect - picked up at great discount as not the latest model now
I really liked the 19's, might have to pick up the 20's. Thanks for the review Kofuzi!
the 20 is a bit taller and the drop changed from 8 to 10. normally, I would vote against this kind of change, but it works for me here
@@kofuzi my one change request on this shoe would be the drop. I wish it would get the Novablast treatment, just a touch more in the forefoot, less in the heel, and a lower drop. Really minor though.
I'm 300lbs, 15 2E, and wore my Triumph Iso 5s every single day for 3 years until the midsole broke in half at the forefoot and the crystal rubber fell off. Something like 8000 miles of walking. The midsole was still as cushy as when I got it, but they collected water in the rain and were hazardous on hard floors at work once the rubber started coming off. I have since worn the 18s daily for 2 years, and have a pair of the 19s and 20s on stand-by. These are absolutely the best shoes you can get as a neutral clydesdale.
That is amazing!
I didn't even know there's a wide option for triumph until i read your comments. I just started running again earlier this month after I picked a pair of ghost max 8us(4e) as a daily trainer. I guess now i could pick triumph 19 (probably the size would be 8.5) for my long runs.
Really nailed this one! I'm 6'5" and this has been my favorite this year. I used to be all Novablast all the time, but the 3 flattens way too early for me but the pwr run+ is as springy as ever 400k in.
How do you like it compared to Novablast 3?
Almost 200mi on my Triumph 20, and feels the same as brand new. This and the New Balance 1080v12 are my daily trainers. 🤗
Nice
now that the triumph 20 is on % & i'm contemplating on getting it, how would you compare this to the 1080s? i'd think the 1080s are softer?
200 miles in with my pair. Still feel new and fresh. I’ve done a little bit of everything in them including long tempo runs, strides, and easy runs. They feel adaptable to most anything except maybe a true speed workout or race day. Other than road dirt they still basically look new too which is amazing. Super durable and great all-around shoe.
Thanks for the mileage update!
been rockin the triumph 20's for a couple months now, they are very comfortable shoes
So glad they’re working for you!
I had the 18's and now the 20. What a differrence! The 18's were plush, but the 20's are softer but with rebound, so a much improved over a decent shoe already. This is a good looking shoe as well. Well designed and very durable. This is a great daily/recovery shoe for me.
I really enjoyed the 18, but I've also very much appreciated the ways that this shoe has changed over the years
Just bought them for a good price. Feels amazing out of the box. Good shoes. Nothing more, nothing less.
happy running!
A solid workhorse! Saucony is on a roll.
There’s a lot to love
👟🏃🏼My rotation includes Saucony Endorphin Pro 2, Nike Vaporfly 2 Next %, Asics Novablast 3, Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 and Saucony Triumph 20. The Saucony Triumph 20 is one of my favorites for daily training. Fit is absolutely perfect for me and just the right amount of weight and cushioning. They might even be my favorite daily runners for 2023.
Hey, wondering what different roles Novablast 3 and Triumph 20 play in your rotation? Thanks!
@@haoli4164 They both play a part in my “daily” training shoe. I like to rotate them once a week. While both I find to be fantastic daily runners, I prefer the Saucony Triumph 20. Novablast 3 is a tad too long in structure, while the Saucony is more rounded and better fitted at the toe box area but still leaving plenty of room. Hope this helps.
I really love the feel of triumph 20 ❤
Such good reviews on this one. I liked my triumph 18's. I'll have to pick these up once the price drops.
Great review and very much in line with everything I experienced in this shoe. I have been loving the Triumphs since the 17 and I think the 20 is an improvement on everything but one aspect: the drop. For me the heel gets in the way a bit and I keep feeling it. Hope they’ll go back to 8 mm in some future itteration!
Surprisingly, for this use case I found the Asics Glideride 3 to be an excellent alternative that I gravitate more towards at the moment. Nevertheless: still a very good shoe!
Agree with everything you said.
The blue camo was hilarious!
it's probably the best thing I've seen in running apparel this year
I ve done about 350 kilometers with mine so far I have no knee pain or anything apart from some toe issues during speed workouts and long runs .
I usually buy older models. Got the Triumph 18 now very cheap. Best longrun shoe for me. Can't wait when this comes on sale.
I hope it can get discounted soon
I have the moreV4 and just got the triumph20 , there is no comparison in my opinion... The moreV4 just don't work for me despite all the positive reviews online. The tr20 is soooo mich better! Regardless , go try on your shoes before buying! Everybody's feet and runong is different!
Happy running! 💪😉
a true obversation
I absolutely LOVE this shoe, 2 pairs, 1 for training and one for marathon days. I’ve got 3 pairs of Endorphin Pro 3’s but the Triumph 20 is my protective go-to!
that's a nice collection
Great review as always. Can you do a full comparison review of the Triumph 20 and the Glycerin 20?
I have nearly 750km on these, still they feel very good!
Thanks for the update!
Great shoe! The combination of compression and rebound is superior; I will likely buy a 2nd pair before they are gone. Best shoe I’ve run in for easy day pace, and it will firm up nicely if you pick up the cadence.
I’m a big fan of people buying multiple pairs of shoes that really work for them
I think you get the point. It’s an in between shoe but everybody talks about this as a max cush, which is not. I also find the fit a bit tricky , the upper too heavy and the lockdown not the best. Foam is very good and springy but not so cushioned. Overall quality is very high indeed.
Saucony hasn't really nailed down max cushion like asics has w the nimbus 25, hoka w the bondis, and brooks w the glycerin.
Saucony pwrrun plus has always been on the firmer side when it comes to cushion...take a look at their endorphin shift 3. It has a stack height of 39mm and its one of their more firmer shoes.
Triumoh is heading in the daily trainer category and I think they instead should consider making a new max cushion shoe using pwrn pb foam like nike does w the invincible
I got triumph 20 in india at 65 dollar in October 2022. Its a great daily training shoe. And i found it at great discount. And i have 1080 v12 also. I purchased that at 70 dollar at the same time in october. Both are great deals i think.
Glad you found some great deals!
I have 606 miles in the Triumph 20 and the only wear on them are localized to the outsole. Midsole still feels incredible. Kind of scared to try another shoe because these just work so damn well for me
I’m a big fan of people buying multiple of the same shoe when it really works for them
A little late on the Triamph 20. But able to snag a pair for $91.00 and it’s now my favorite daily trainer.
Nice
Great review. Non-elite runner, elite run shoe reviewer!
Thanks so much!
I have both the normal 20 and the Runshield and they still feel great to me. I needed the shield version as we were getting tons of rain in the Bay Area for a while.
Did it work or do they just fill up with water and not drain?
@@paddywiggle they worked great for me, kept my feet dry and warm
How is the sizing on the runshields? Is it true that they run smaller than the standard 20s?
@@alexhobson3770 I personally didn't notice any difference
@@RK-MODE perfect, thanks!
I would not use the 1080V12 for long runs. I feel the Triumph 20 gives you more bounce back and better protection.
On the fence about purchasing the Saucony Triumpth 20 or the Gel-Nimbus 25. I did my first half marathon with no training and crappy beat up old shoes. I still managed to push through in just over 2hrs / blisters, cramps, muscle pain and all - and I'M HOOKED! Already signed up for my next 21km race, old shoes went into the garbage and now looking to buy a pair as my first and only real running shoe. Wanting to look after my legs this time so high cushion is what I'm looking for to protect from shin splints, knee, calf and achiles pain. This video was helpful just trying to decide. I'm doing both trail and road races and can't really afford more than 1 pair yet so a sole that can handle different road surfaces 🤷♀️
I have ran nearly 350 miles on my Saucony Triumph 20's. I absolutely LOVE them! I run 4-6 miles most days and never even think of my feet - it's wonderful. No knee pain, no ankle pain, no black toes, etc. Just run and enjoy it, everyday! I help coach a small school XC team, so a lot of our training is on dirt/gravel/grass, and maybe a 1/4 of my running is on cement. The Triumph 20's are still holding up great. I plan on getting another pair as they are now selling for just over $100 on most sites. Previously I had the Speed 2s which I really enjoyed overall, but after 5 or 6 miles my body and feet would start to feel it just a bit. The Speed 2s are fun shoes and encouraged me to go faster, but I like the Triumphs as my daily trainer as they just help keep me on a nice everyday steady pace. But I was able to pick up the pace on a good trail and did a mile run in about 6:45, so they can be versatile, if needed. Also, the Triumph 20s are more stable than the Speed 2s, as I have never rolled my ankle with the Triumphs, but did several times with the Speed 2s. The Triumphs are very comfortable to walk in as well.
The water camo/blue car bit in the end killed me 🤣
I love my t20s although they have the defect of a chipping midsole, yet I still wear them cause they’re that good
Since the Triumph 21 came out, these have been on sale for
Nice
truly enjoy this shoes as lsd/long maf training run
330 miles on mine. Use primarily for daily runs. Great shoe.
glad it's working so well for you!
I got close to 192 miles and the forefoot started to feel flat to me. All of the foam in the heel would be nice up front. I'm around 190ish lbs. Had to retire it early, hopefully I get more miles out of the Nimbus 25.
Try the Triumph 19. It had an 8mm drop instead of the 10mm in the 20. (Although, iirc, the added stack height in the 20 gave it more stack height in the forefoot than the 19)
Just picked up these Triumphs for 64 dollars. I'm thinking it will be a great winter base training shoe.
Nice
super confortable the 1080 v 12, and for wide feet, its great. I finished the outsole quite quickly (mostly walking have to admit), about 3.5 miles daily for aprox 5 to 6 months.
That’s a lot of mileage
Its the insoles that make these shoes feel the way they do. Swap them out for a standard pair and they feel completely different. They didnt work for me ended up using them more for walking and at the gym.
I think people overstate how important stock insoles are, especially when we’re at the 100 mile mark
The trump is so good that I bought 3 pair. And I do have the endorphin elite to match them
Nice!
Mike how's the forefoot hotspot poking sensation that you felt in the first triumph 20 shoe review video? Has it mellowed over the miles?
I watched Mike's review about the hotspot on his initial video, and I noticed it when I first bought mine at about mile 5 or 6 on the first run or two, but after that never noticed again and I've now put on nearly 350 miles. Shoes feel fantastic to run in everyday. =)
Thank !!!
Thank you for a great and informative review! I'm a bit on the heavier side, 180 cm and 97 kg. I've in the past had Nike Vomero as my "daily cushioned shoe" (if that makes sense), but I feel like mixing things up a bit! So I've kept an eye on Triumph 20. Where would you guys, kofuzi and comment readers, say the Triumph stands in a comparison against Vomero? Eg - if I like Vomero, will I most likely also like Triumph? Cheers from Sweden!
This would be a very good option for you if you liked the Vomero. They do feel different, but they are trying to accomplish very similar things
@@kofuzi the foot pain in triumph20 eventually went away?
I'm looking for a high cushioned daily trainer / revovery shoe that is capable of doing long runs, fast finishing long runs and strides. I'm between this and the Novablast 3... any opinions?
Honestly, I have multiple pairs of the Novablast 3 (including the TR) and it performs fantastic. I bought the Triumph 20 about a week ago and my feet have been hurting since my first walk in them…not run…walk. I’m not giving up on them yet but so far their not treating my feet and knees so great. (Disclaimer: Only used them for walks, recovery & mid-distance run)
@@mtnrnnr50 I tried the Novablast for a week thanks to a friend of mine, and I absolutely loved them!
Do you recommend the TR or the regular version?
Is the Novablast softer and bouncier than the Triumph?
@@cristianfcao The TR are better for when it’s wet outside and you take the turns fast. TR is great for non-technical trail runs.
So far the Novablast has been an amazing shoe. The Triumph I’ve only had about a week and my feet/knees have hurt since day 1. It may take a break-in period. I won’t give up on it yet
Did the hotspot issue from the original review ever come back?
Thinking of these! I bounced of Adidas shoes very quickly and I’ve found my Nikes age quickly and I start to feel more niggles. I use North Face and Saucony for trail and love them, so planning to try a Saucony road shoe.
loved this shoe until I got a case of runners knee, returned and (anecdotally) haven’t had runner’s knee since, sad this shoe didn’t work for me because it was great otherwise! Perfect daily trainer companion to the Speed/Pro workout/race combo!
great that you were able to hone in on a single shoe that was causing the issue!
From out of the box my pair of the 20's has a weird spot in the richt heel where there is a faulty finish, some pressing into the inner side of my heel, doesn't affect me visible but it annoys me massivly knowing it is there and feeling it.
i had a weird spot it seemed like, in the right heel of mines out of the box. after 2 weeks it went away and i've been wearing them for a couple months now and they're awesome. i think you have to break them in but that's interesting that it's the right heel...
Would you recommend this as long distance ( recovery) shoe .I train and race in hoka. So 5 mil drop this 10 won't legs get confused? Or will that 10 mil be beneficial.thanks
Yes
Is this shoe good for mid to forefoot strikers? 😊
Yes
I’m going to be getting back into cross country season soon. Do you think this’ll work well for those type of runs and maybe some longer/tempo mile workouts?
I think this shoe might be a bit bulky for that. I think the Endorphin Speed might be preferable for your speed work. But I’d go with XC flats for your racing
Loving the SAYSKY Camo set, MIKE! You're ready for a US Navy Mission!
Well, I have been swimming more
@@kofuzi 😂🐐
i think i might get a pair, my saucony triumph 17 just gave out after playing volleyball with them :C
It’ll be a nice upgrade
hi mike, whats your take on the difference between 19s and 20s? I am having quite issues with its foam under heel, which weirdly interacts with my stride and after longer runs I feel pains and niggles around achilles’ and calfs. I recall you had some similar issues with sauconies models about 2 or 3 years ago. So is it still a thing? Have you noticed something in such area?
It doesn’t seem like your issue would be related to what he was going through. He has issues because of the inherent stability some of their models had. This is not something the triumph 20 has. I suppose the 19 was a little more stable than the new one, but still very different than the ride13/14 which is what I think gave Kofuzi issues.
@@paddywiggle I mean it may be the same thing, not so different. I’m talking about the inherent stability of triumph 19s which may be the same thing he encountered with the sauconies you mentioned. The results may differ. And I asked whether something of it remained till triumph 20s.
how does this compare to the brooks hyperion max? personally have always preferred saucony.
Totally different. Only similarity would be the forefoot rocker and stiffness is similar. They would be good shoes to have as a rotation, because of that, though.
@@paddywiggle just refuse to use triumph due to 10mm drop. 8 is high enough already for me...if they brought the shoe as is down to 8 and brought the weight down id buy a pair, but why would i when there is the novablast or mach 5?
Wasn't a pleasure for me. I had a size 12 wide, and bought them on sale. Had to return them for two reasons. It was so unstable for me. Almost twisted my ankle several times.. It only the sole was wider, and not just the upper. The other reason was the outsole in the heel area was peeling off the midsole. To Saucony's credit, they did allow me to return it for a refund.
I had a tough decision to make between the asics gel nimbus 25 or the saucony triumph 20. I got the gel nimbus because I couldn't get over the intrusive heel cushion.
Does the heel cushion calm down after a while?
I’m not sure I’ve experienced the intrusive heel cushion you’re mentioning. I’m also not clear whether you experienced intrusive heel cushion on the Nimbus 25 or the Triumph 20
Triumph 20 or Novablast 3 for daily training?
Novablast 3 was my shoe of the year for 2022
I have 10.5cm width foot and usually wear us9.5, and I heard that Triumph 20 is narrow, do u think it fit me?
that's a great question for your local run specialty store
What size did you choosed?
Would you say that the Max Road 5 is in this category as well?
I haven’t tried that shoe
@@kofuzi oh! I would have like to know your opinion on that shoe! Bummer! 🙌🏽
Did the hot spot that you spoke about in the original video go away?
Yup
How's the toe box width? I have a wide foot and most shoes make my toenails fall off
This shoe comes in a wide
Wonder how does this compare to Nike Invincible Run 2 and Asics Nimbus 25?
I didn’t run in the Invincible Run 2.
It’s very different than the Nimbus 25, which is more squarely in the max cushion category
Whoah. Where’d he go??
I’m invisible
Rebel v4, more stack and next gen fuelcell (pebax) Have you seen it?
I don’t think so. The longer I’ve been doing this, the less and less interested I am in shoes before they get to my house for testing.
What about the triumph 20 with the endorphin speed 3 for faster days
Good combo
Currently looking for another pair of running shoes, for my rotation. Currently running the rebel v2 for treadmill workouts, the Novablast 3 for threshold runs, and the invisible V2 for base runs/Long runs. And the Vaporfly v2 for race days.
I weigh around 92 kg. and stand 6 feet and 2" . So i do think i will wear the midsole down, faster than lighter runners. Will this shoe be able ro hold up 🤔.
Yes
what about that hot spot sensation under your forefoot you talked about in your initial review?
I felt what he was talking about on my first two runs (around mile 5), but have now put on nearly 350 miles in my Triumph 20s and they feel absolutely fantastic!
Hi bud, im looking for a shoe that doesn't make my knees, brusie feel I use like alfaflys and legs fill so good could you tell me a shoe possibly for a Dailly shoes or even a shoe that does both daily and speed work? Thanks
Some people will just use their alphafly for that. Or consider invincible
Hello Kofuzi! I think I can pick the triumph 20 for 100€....I guess this would pair well with Takumi Sen 9 + Deviate Nitro Elite 2 ? (I'm missing something for longer runs)
Is this good for work? I stand and walk all day.
yes, although it's bouncy and tall, so if you have a lot of bending over and lifting, you might want something a bit more stabilized
Tha ks man u are awesome!!!
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That's that little strap in the back of the shoe for?
Pull tab.
I just scored one for $120 - Saucony has a sale going on right now.
Any suggestion of the stability version from saucony?
I tend to avoid stability shoes. I believe the Temps would be the model too look at, but I don't have any experience in it
I have the Guide 15’s and I like them. I use them for daily training and road workouts since you can easily go at a slower or faster pace in them
The tempus is lovely and fits similar. Narrow instep, average midfoot and wide toebox. It may just be a bit firmer than you’d expect a shoe with PWRRUN pb would have. It’s soft in the heel and on toe off but not particularly soft in the throat of the shoe. You can also feel the arch so if you have flat feet or a low arch you may feel it and get rubbing before it breaks in, so just beware.
Yo, what’s going on!! Can’t wait to see this shoe on sale 🙈🙈😆😆
I think a discounted Triumph 20 is a great value, but here's the thing. sometimes, some Saucony shoes don't go on sale.
@@kofuzi RW sometimes has a 50% off for saucony shoes, you just need to be patient. I got the Endo Pro 2 for 100 and the triumph 19 for 80 bucks last year 😁😁😁. I’m not in a rush, so I can wait 🙈🙈😆😆
Triumph 20 vs Nimbus 24?
Drew Whitcomb sighting!
He’s everywhere
I must have gotten duds. The foam is falling apart on both of mine and on one, the rubber at the heel and the toe is coming apart after less than 300 miles
Buy some shoe glue. Will fix the rubber issue and it’s nice to have around in case anything ever happens on other shoes. Just don’t go crazy with it because glue adds weight to a shoe
this or nimbus 25?
Best part of this video starts at 8:31
Triumph 20 or Clifton 9?????/
is this shoes has carbon plate inside sir?
No
do the pegasus 40
Anyone run in the Triumph 20 AND Ride 16? If so, how do you compare them? I'm currently in the Ride 16s for my daily training zone 2 runs.
I've only felt the Ride 15s, in the store, and they seemed to be more firm and a little less cushion overall.
@@genslinton the ride 16 is very firm, feels like Kinvara really, just more padding in the heel collar and a bit heavier. They’ve been fine and a nice contrast to my endorphin speeds.
We all don’t have the money to buy three or four different pairs of sneakers depending on what cadence we feel like running.
That’s one of the reasons why my favorite shoes tend to be daily trainers