I hate JRPGS and enjoyed p1, besides getting annoyed of the battle theme halfway thought the game. ( I still prefer A lone prayer more than the original don't @ me)
Sadly most don't talk about the P2 games because most have never played them. Which is a shame as P2 is the best in the series. The story and characters are just amazing.
i would prefer them to remake persona 3 and 4 and put them on ps4 hell even adding the ps2 version of p3 and p4 to ps4 would be better then 1 and 2.. everywhere iheard those 2 games are absolute trash. i cant remember which game it was either 1 or 2 where you couldnt walk for 1 sec without running into an enemy and it got so boring
It really pisses me off that Personas 1 and 2 aren't getting much attention, Post-Persona 3. Aren't they like the foundation to the Persona franchise as a whole?! If not for these games, we would have never gotten Persona 3 and so forth! They deserve a full on recognization! I really hope that one day Atlus does a full remake on Personas 1 and 2 to meet the Persona 3 age standards.
I grew up on SMT games like DDS and Nocturne, as well as the Persona games starting with 3. I love these games with a passion and after just finishing Royal for some reason I've been thinking a lot about P1 and 2. I would really love to play these games as they are or remade, simply for the music and the story.
You're right. Here's a fun fact, Persona 1 was the best selling Atlus game in Japan until Persona 5 released. It was their top game for decades, so it's sad to see Western fans ignore it.
Unfortunately, the only thing that remains in every game are the skills, the last reference you could hear from the past games is: you can hear trish in if you turn in the tv in persona 3, and some people talk about how nanjo is remarkable for his way of dressing, after that, it seems that the 2 first games never happened, also in p3 theres a game called "innocent sin online" i think those are the only references i saw so far to the first 2 games, it could be nice to see more about all the games in the future.
P2 needs a complete remake to be fully appreciated. I love the games but would never replay them. That enemy encounter rate is too high, and the battle system is way too repetitive.
unfortunately remakes of the P2 games wouldn't have the same charm as the originals I feel. The kind of serious tone and religious as well as Nazi references P2 (especially innocent sin) had and what they were allowed to put into the story back then would never survive in today's overly sensitive, politically correct world.
Geass Zer0es Wolfenstein series is successful in today’s “politically correct” world tho, and those games are about a reality in which Nazis won WW2 lol
@@RedBull528 wolfensteino (i think) is just a critic and a shooter where you kill nazis and thats all... Persona games are more a critic vs MANY aspects of the modern life in a PRESENT reality so... i dont think it's the same
Anyone can play them on an emulator and the graphics are fine. I personally like Persona 2's graphics more on the PS1 version than on the PSP version. I do have problems with the combat system, but that's pretty personal and other people might prefer it as it is. I don't know about Persona 1 or 2 Eternal Punishment, but I don't see the necesity for an Innocent Sin remake.
@@NaschAzure hell I haven't and I already KNOW it's not light-hearted. Just looking up videos about P3, the story, and the epilogue shows how dark P3 really gets. This guy's totally ignorant to what P3 is about
I'm actually one of the few people who played the series in chronological order, but it's nice to see you raising awareness of these vastly underappreciated entries. You also made me even more excited to play Persona 5 when I get my hands on a system for it.
@@brandonontama2415 They arent horrible, they are better some characters in the series and plus they have access to more than one Persona which P3-P5 dont do for the entire party as a whole
I couldn't finish Persona 1. That enemy encounter rate pissed me off too much. I stopped about half way through the castle and then I just watched the rest. So i played about 60% of that game. Persona 2 was amazing though. Played both those parts to the end. Worth it.
To me, the way I see it, if Persona 1 and 2 just get lower encounter rates, more interesting dungeon design, and faster battles ( this I want specifically for Persona 2), Also Persona 1 could get a slighty improved battle system and level up system. if all this happened, I wouldn't have any problems with them. I love everything else about them and I think they're great games. Persona 3 is fun and great too but I'm honestly not a big fan of the day to day type thing. its fun trying to decide what to do every day but it gets repetitive and boring for me after a while. And yes I do climb Tartarus a lot but you can only do that until you reach a blockade and have to wait for the next big Shadow (btw j have yet to finish P3 no spoils please lol).
Cool! I hope people don't get the wrong idea. I love Persona 3 and 4 for the story, characters, Persona fusing, and combat but the daily system gets annoying for me. If they just made it that you can do more things in each day then I'd enjoy it a lot more. Also in Persona 3, grinding for exp is a pain since you barely get any of it from battle and for money, you don't get any unless you guess the correct roulette at the end and I hate that. I have yet to play Persona 5 but I hope the daily system thing is made more fun (it seems like you can do a lot more each day so that's awesome).
I'll take dungeons taking place in malls, sanitariums and schools rather than a boring ass tower that drags on forever or randomly generated garbage. The dungeons are super SMT-y though but theres a spell to lower or nullify encounters. Also battles in persona 2 end really quickly if you know how to use fusions.
>more interesting dungeon design. This went out the window when hey gave us a 250+ floor tower that barely changes. 1 especially has frustrating dungeons, but at least they aren't boring randomly generated floors stacked upon floors.
considering how much grind and repetitive combat there is in P3, I assume it only gets worse as you go further back (with how everyone describes P1 and P2 combat). Honestly I think I'm just gonna watch a playthrough of P2 IS and EP just because old-school JRPG combat is so god damn boring however I am looking forward to the story as everyone really hypes it up
Persona 3 is lightheated and approachable? Your party is a team of people that mostly don't like each other, they bicker constantly, people betray you constantly, main characters die unexpectedly, your spend your time in dungeons shooting yourself in the head symbolically, the dark hour has blood and coffins everywhere.... Persona 4, sure, but honestly Persona 2 feels more lightheated to me than persona 3. The main thing that makes P3 feel 'lighter' is that the graphical style wasn't as serious as 2, mostly due to the somewhat deformed character models which was needed for Ps2 graphics at the time, couldnt rely on spites.
''mostly don't like each other''? What? The p3 cast may not start that friendly but they slowly build up a colective bond as the story progresses. They have a lot of troubled moments but that's because of all the stuff they have to deal with during the main plot and related to their own personal issues...but that doesn't mean they mostly don't like each other. In fact by the end of the game they're all best friends and ALL collectively remember about the main character and go meet him at the school roof, even though they were all supposed to forget about everything they passed through.
HassouTobi the reason I like the crew in P3 more than anyone in the beginning they really hate each other but the way they build up the relationship was much more relatable
Persona 3 is lame. Persona 4 is Diamond is unbrekable but with a shitty villian. P5 On the other hand has No weaknesses!!! Except for the final boss....fuck the final boss of P5 he sucks and he isnt hard.
Raptor Jesus the same amount of main characters die and get locked in alternate dimensions in both games. persona 2 ends with an entire fucking universe destroyed due to the fault of a protagonist's childishness and you legitimately think persona 3 had a darker tone just because the characters argued and had guns? edgy =/= mature, my fellow. unless your idea of a "mature game" is shadow the hedgehog because he also has guns, argues, and sonic dies, you should get what i'm saying. yes, persona 3 is definitely edgy, as are a lot of megaten games. but persona 2 is a more mature experience.
One thing I really hated with these current Persona games was just how much it tried to treat the main character as special, bordering on "perfect", even going into Gary Stu territory at times. Not only that, but they also put a lot of emphasis that only the group they are a part of can do anything, reinforcing that whole special deal. Contrast that with the earlier games where the main character is just as flawed, if not more so, as his comrades. He/She is not treated as some super special person. Additionally, not only is the whole thing with Persona's and the like common, they can even talk about it openly. But perhaps most importantly, it also shows that a group of immature teenagers really can't save the world, in fact, they made things worse. It was the adults who had to fix things.
matteste You're seriously complaining about a lack of realism in a JRPG? And honestly, what reason is there for a main character to be the main character without them being special? That's why Vaan is one of the least popular FF protagonists- because there's no reason for him to be the protagonist. And believe it or not, but some people actually enjoy imagining themselves as someone awesome once in a while. I know I do.
I never said anything about lack of realism, And if you think a story can't work without the main character being special then I seriously wonder how many actually good stories you have seen / read. My point is that all of the characters of a world should play by the same rules, nothing is hidden from anyone, and if one character can attain power then so can anyone else. It's get's especially annoying when some random normal dude is made special just cause, instead of say, they themselves making themselves special within the world they live in.
See I started with persona 3 and after I beat it, I couldn't wait for persona 4 to come out. In time of waiting I picked these two games up, and loved them just as much as P3 (granted it was P2 that stood out more to me out of the two). The only thing that persona one and two did was made me hate myself for not picking the game series up sooner. The persona series is literally one of the best, along with the digital devil series. Atlus is just a godly company when it comes to games.
Same here though I got turned off at how different it was at first. Mechanics felt convoluted and I could get the story with more development from the manga. Then after playing persona 4 and more SMT games you really appreciate the differences and I find myself enjoying it more than I do most SMT. Just wish I knew more games that played like classic persona.
I downloaded P1 months ago, but I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet, so I can't give too much of an opinion on it. I did however play both IS and EP, and honestly, those two combined have the best story imo. I do have to admit that the high random encounters put me off, but I got used to it after some time and items. It makes me sad that not many people know or even care about P2 (or at the very least pretend that the series started with 3) since the story is so damn good. Part of me really hopes they remake IS and EP, but I know it's not gonna happen.
They are not random encounters if you have a warning light that tells you your about to encounter enemies. I actually have the opposite problem with action encounters being everywhere in games today because I'm trying to play an rpg when my game turns into an action game. Not to mention the like giving different swing speeds or they just make it an auto hit.
You don't need to follow a guide for social links. Technically you don't need a guide for any part of the game. The player is just meant to figure it out. (Although you may want a guide for the class questions)
Atlus may not remake Persona 1 and 2 in the near future. who knows. But they are referenced in Persona 5 a couple of times. SEBEC mentioned on TV on 6/11 A detective in rose-colored glasses is mentioned on TV. This character is probably Katsuya Sudou from Persona 2. The X Folders DVD you can rent plays the Mt. Iwato music from P2 It is small but the fact that they reference Persona 1-4 in Persona 5 with or without DLC is nice. It's like a way of ATLUS saying that they haven't completely forgotten it.
While I personally love Persona 3 a whole lot, I can't lie when I say Persona 1 and 2 deserve a lot more attention. Especially 2. I haven't completely finished the games of Persona 2 but I've definitely started to like the story. I can see why so many people say that P2 had the best story of all the games.
P3P is just Persona 3 with some well needed changes to gameplay (like being able to control party members) and added a female protagonist story (the non-canon part of P3P)
I think that the Persona 2 duology is wonderful and deserves way more attention than it got, but as a Persona fan myself, I think Persona 1 definitely needs a remaster of some sort. Even the PSP re-release isn't ideal, and while the PS1 version has an amazing atmosphere, its gameplay is quite dated and even obnoxious sometimes. I'm ok with having Persona 2 where it is, but the first game definitely needs some sort of overhaul into the modern era.
Great video man. I appreciate the love you're showing these two (technically three) games. Especially P1 because I just plain don't understand the hate for that game. Then again I really love all the Persona games and have no problems going back to play the older ones. With the release of P5 recently I think this franchise is in great shape and I hope it stays that way. When it comes to preference I rank them P2>P5>P3>P1>P4
These games need an overhaul to make them less grindy. First off the encounters were to slow and samey, it all whittled down to keep attacking and healing till you win. The story was good but when it came to gameplay it could've done way better. Also Maya is Best Woman
cronical246 Persona 1 is the game I think needs a overhaul. Persona 2 was way better with the battle system. Just wish the encounter rate wasn't insanely high
I pretty sure that's every rpg/fps/jrpg is heal and attack until win. Also keep in mind Social links gave us grinding exp to level for new skills in persona. Classics just had us get new skills by using skills without leveling.
Persona 1 needs some changes, Persona 2 is ok I actually don't mind the high encounter rate and the SP system is perfectly fine I would leave the ability of regaining SP with moving alone since it stops the SP from slowing the game down
Excellent video! I particularly love Persona 2 - the characters are some of the coolest in any game I've played, and they have so much depth. And I like how in both 1 and 2, in each room you go to the characters will be standing in different places, and they'll always have different things to say depending on where you are, and what point in the story you're at - that really adds to their depth. For example in Innocent Sin, I don't know if this is addressed in the main plot later on, but I found out that Eikichi starved himself to get thin purely because he makes an off-handed reference to it if you talk to him in one of the Satomi Tadashi stores at an early point in the story, and because I noticed in the flashbacks that he was a chubby kid. These games are really mature - properly, not in the way that usually means in games and films - and they address some serious issues. I'm told that applies to Eternal Punishment even moreso. Of course, it's also important to note that Innocent Sin features a gay option for the protagonist, which both 4 and 5 hint at but ultimately chicken out on. So for some reason Atlus is actually being less progressive now than they were in 1999. And yeah, I can't believe they took out the option to change your party members' personas from 3 onwards, removing so much customisation and strategy. Of course, in every version of 3 but the PSP one you can't even control your party members in battles - that's crazy! It definitely seems like they casualised the series... which catapulted it into mainstream success. Ah.
P2 is criminally underrated and I hate it. Eternal Punishment was what introduced me to Persona and SMT as a whole, and I fell even more in love with Innocent Sin when they remade it for the PSP. Persona 3, 4 and 5 are all equally great games, but 2 will always have a special place in my heart. I’ve never played 1 though
really well done video. i fully agree with the social link being restricted with time, as much as i like the idea of it it is kinda annoying when you dont want to use a guide sinc ei like to play as i go without one unless im stuck. great discussion
Thank you and yea I feel the same way. People say "Oh you have free time" but even the guides will tell you that you need to use that free time in a certain order if you want to get the max social links.
I agree with many points of this video, mostly in regard to story and character development. The main reason I enjoy P5 is that it does incorporate many of the elements introduced in P1 and 2, making the gameplay the best the series has to offer. I would love to see a proper remake of Persona 2 that combines the two games into one big game. P1 did get a deserved reception, but P2 is way too overlooked.
I feel like p5 uses some elements but simplifies then and dumbstruck them down too much to be good like demon negotiation in p5 is way worse and is boring
The moment you started playing "school days" from P1 i completely sang that song in my head and ignored the video, so i had to go back and watch it again🤣🤣
This game is so disrespected to the point it's pure blasphemy that people claim they dont exist one of the best RPGs I ever played the story is well thought out excellent characters I loved these games
This video is really informative and great, in the process of getting a vita so I can play through the majority of these games and replay P4 with the Golden version so this helps a ton
"But as a Game: P5 = P4 > P3 > P2 > P1" Fixed that for you. The extended storylines brought to Persona 4 by its side games (like Arena and even Dancing All Night) push its overall quality as a game up to at least the same level as P5. (I'm gonna have to simply disagree with your entire ranking of the games based solely on their stories, however, because the general tone/atmosphere set by a game's story makes its quality largely subjective.)
After playing P5 I really wanted to go back and play 1-4. I've seen all of them on the PSN store, so whenever I get my Vita I am downloading all of those games. Nice vid btw
It’s always tradition of mine to play through the first game in a series even though they’re not related and you can jump in at any point I’d like to see how the game involves over the years I do like persona one and two but four will always be my favorite. After all it brought me into this amazing community in series.
Hearing the Velvet Room theme, it was really cool to see that the vocals and piano originated from these two characters from the earlier games..........for me that's a serious easter egg! Persona 5 being my introduction to the series, I was told not to really bother with the older games because P5 takes all the good from them while removing the bad. However, each game seems to have its own interesting story and characters............not to mention awesome individual soundtracks. It seems like a shame to not check these out, so I'll be looking into this more. My primary concern is all the Persona games seem to be heavy in the time investment department. 90 hours is already way past plenty to invest into a game, but to multiply that by 3 more games (I'm rounding up a bit here) is a touch intimidating. Something that you mentioned left me a bit confused. If every character in your party can change Personas then doesn't it make the game way easier? If only one character can switch Personas (like P4 and P5), in theory doesn't that make the game more of a challenge? It would mean you'd have to strategize more because you only have one wild card instead of 4.....so I don't think it's a bad change for only one character to be able to use more than one Persona.(Unless I'm misunderstanding the Persona switch mechanic in the older games) Also, I really enjoy the social links. They might be flawed (?) but I like them a lot. I like learning about the characters through this method and I would be really sad if they got rid of it. Maybe they'll find a way to improve on it so it feels more organic for people who feel like it doesn't quite click with them. I enjoyed this video, but I would have personally liked you to go more in-depth with what we should expect from Persona 1 and 2 gameplay wise. If we're coming from P4 or P5 it would be nice to have an idea of gameplay elements we might run into that may shellshock us or make it feel less accessible/fun. Sometimes being prepared with that knowledge can help make a game more enjoyable, especially if the game is dated.
"Social links are flawed, because you have to look up a guide." No, it's a life sim. Answer how you would. It's not "Oh man! I need to say the right things." No. The point is it's like hanging out with real people. If you look up a guide, it ruins the experience.
Great video. It might be too late for me to ask this question since you haven't made a video in a year but.... When I played persona 3 on the PSP the cutscenes were changed to still frames & I didn't have direct control of the main character outside of tartarus. Do you know if there's anything like that going on in the PSP versions of the 1st 2? And if so is there a particular platform you recommend I use, that won't cause me to have an OCD seizure?
personally, other than gameplay mechanics, I can only assume the reason the characters can switch around multiple personas in the first 3 games and not in the others is because of philemon being so much more involved in the plot
i just started playing 1 and its been great, the only other game i played before it was 3 and its cool to see the evolution of the games. they definitely need to remake these someday. also 1s soundtrack is amazing
A coment that i heard often that piss me off is "they should remake P1&2 in the style of 3", and i´m like no, they shouldn´t, don´t get me wrong they should step up the gameplay a step but not to the point of loosing their identity. That aside, you really capture what i love of this games, and for those who say that the P1 characters are swallow and one noted, i suggest you to visit another places, after all you have time chase S.links aren´t you? Like you say, is a shame that this game are usually overlooked, not only by fans, but by the company itself. Just to more things, number one, The opening of the Persona 1 remake of Psp has my favorite theme in hte whole series, number two, you deserves more suscribers, i hope i can help with that. Great video.
I actually played the games in order, haha, and really loved Persona 1! I was actually quite surprised to see people didn’t really like it or even pay attention nowadays
Nice video, I'll have to get around to 1 and 2 at some point, I would like remakes moreso than a new fighter or anything, Just to see those old games brought up to the higher level of polish of their sequels. Anyways I do just want to say that If you're curious about another underrated set of RPGs, I'd suggest trying the Mega Man Star Force trilogy for the Nintendo DS, It's the successor series to the Mega Man Battle Network series on the Game Boy Advance, and takes place within the same continuity 200 years later. While they aren't at all the same, I actually think Star Force and the Persona series have a lot of strange parallels. anyways the characters are endearing and receive a good amount of development over the course of the series, and there's a ton of attention to detail and lots of character plus world building secrets for those willing to go out of there way and explore things outside progressing the main quest, You don't need to play Battle Network to understand Star Force and/or it's narrative, it has subtle nods and references to Battle Network(as well as other Mega Man iterations) in extra dialogue and certain visuals, but it doesn't rely on it or any other Mega Man iteration as a crutch for storytelling. I don't really feel like Mega Man Star Force gets enough credit, It was the first and only true set of online Mega Man games, and it seemed like it had a proper answer for just about all of Battle Network's biggest problems, People often bash it for streamlining Battle Network's innovative Battle system, but I don't think too many of those people put thought towards Star Force's new mechanics and systems at all, the changes gave the series a style of it's own and eradicated all of the tedium that came with within Battle Network's system, In other words I feel people overlook it's battle system and don't properly judge Star Force on it's own merits, rather they come into it wanting Battle Network and get mad about it being something else. It's a fun series and definitely among my favorite games out there, I really appreciate how strong the overall narrative is as well the good balance of light and dark tones, It's highly commendable considering it's target audience was grade school children and it's a collect-a-thon TCG style game at that, those usually lack the kind of storytelling depth thats found in the MMSF series.
I definitely agree that they should be played, at least once. P1 was just a little too antiquated in gameplay design that it was hard for me to get into so I probably won't play it again. But both P2 games are still high on my list of enjoyable games.
My uncle has a psp go that he gave me when I was younger he had both persona 2 games in case and he handed them to me along with a random racing game he told me not to play persona 2 but as all 5 year old kids do they get curious and see what it is I didn’t know who hit-er was at the time and in game he was called fuh--r and I didn’t know what that meant so for a week I ran around saying fuh-r
So while watching this it occurred to me what bugs me the most about persona 3, 4, and 5. I love those games and I throughly enjoyed the social links, but when you were talking about characters developing organically over the course of the story it really hits home that your characters in the later games can personality shift hard depending on their social link rank and how far into the game you are. Did you hard focus a link and get it maxed as soon as the game allows? Well expect a completly different tone when your not spending one on one time with them because they dont change every scene to react to how deep your social link is. As I said I throughly enjoyed the social links in 3 4 and 5 like alot some of my favorite parts of the game are the social links and the impact they have. But as you said it's really not organic storytelling. Also side note the party can go to the velvet room in persona 1 because they are all wild card characters. (I didnt play persona 2 yet) but assuming they change persona there and all go to the velvet room it's the same principle.
My problem with the first Persona games is that they're needlessly difficult; you don't get EXP if you negotiate with demons, so either you choose between leveling up your characters or developing your personas. This makes it so you pretty much have to fight twice the battles in order to proceed efficiently without burning out your resources.
I just finished the persona 2 duology and here are my thoughts. Without spoiling too much, I have to at least say it made me crippling depressed with the bitterweet (heck it’s not even sweet much at all, still sad ending doesn’t mean it’s bad) and definitely a contrast to the newer games. I loved innocent sin but honestly I really didn’t like eternal punishment as much. Characters are amazing, I got very emotionally invested in them. Story is really great and lives up to the hype. Soundtrack is truly great, I guess Persona has always been good in the soundtrack department. The biggest flaw in these games are the contact/summoning system...they are incredibly unnecessarily complicated and inconsistent. I’m not sure why people complain about the encounter rate, it’s no different than old school pokemon and such imo lol...encounters are literally the gameplay itself so if you don’t like them you’re not gonna like the entire gameplay period. Basically it’s true that these games didn’t “age well” because the encounters are literally all the gameplay...the dungeons are merely just a place to walk and encounter and nothing else. So if you think you can be patient and understanding and you aren’t the type of person to despise random chance encounters, it’s definitely worth a play.
What a gret briefing my friend!! Yes Man the first trilogy ( If you consider the Yuko chain) is so damm good! And I have to tell that the Cristian imagery on the later instalements don't sets well with me! The first ones have misteries and tons of great villians! God bless you!!
What I agree on is that Persona 1 and 2 are great, they have this mature feeling to them, its a mature RPG and its refreshing. But i'd suggest to play Persona 2 Eternal Punishment on original console or PS2
I'm almost done with Persona 3 FES (played it originally on the portable version). And I just started with Persona 2. Honestly I'm in love with both games. So vastly different yet so compelling and funny and heartfelt. Persona 1 I couldn't even finish. It was so fucking boring, I don't think I'll ever go back to it. They need to remake Persona 2IS and 2EP.
persona 2 innocent sin and eternal punishment is amazing, i play that game after playing the 3, 4, 5. the characters is so good and well done, i have to say is my fav in the series so far, i still have to play persona 1.
Everyone should play Persona 2. But not Persona 1. You read the manga for that one. Also, while Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment have a really good plot and characters, its gameplay is really boring in my opinion. These 3 games would really benefit from a full blown remake that adds a lot of the manga additions into Persona 1 and use the combat systems of modern Persona titles. I mean hell, I'd honestly take just having an anime adaptation of the first three Persona games if it means more people get to experience the story.
P1 is certainly an acquired taste, but P2 has the best story in the series Imo, and it makes me sad that no one ever talks about it
P2 is my favourite one, goddamn 🙏✨😔
I hate JRPGS and enjoyed p1, besides getting annoyed of the battle theme halfway thought the game. ( I still prefer A lone prayer more than the original don't @ me)
Persona 2 is the best persona game.
Persona 2 is great
Sadly most don't talk about the P2 games because most have never played them. Which is a shame as P2 is the best in the series. The story and characters are just amazing.
Persona 1 and 2 remake collection?
Jk get your dancing games
wasn't there a rumour that persona 1, 2 and 3 would come to ps4?
Rumors come true. Revive Nyarlathotep. Spread news about persona 2 remake it will happen.
i would prefer them to remake persona 3 and 4 and put them on ps4 hell even adding the ps2 version of p3 and p4 to ps4 would be better then 1 and 2.. everywhere iheard those 2 games are absolute trash. i cant remember which game it was either 1 or 2 where you couldnt walk for 1 sec without running into an enemy and it got so boring
Norse Lavenza thats why it needs a Remake -_-
I'd rather play the dancing games, P1 and P2 are so tedious that it feels like a chore to play
It really pisses me off that Personas 1 and 2 aren't getting much attention, Post-Persona 3. Aren't they like the foundation to the Persona franchise as a whole?! If not for these games, we would have never gotten Persona 3 and so forth! They deserve a full on recognization! I really hope that one day Atlus does a full remake on Personas 1 and 2 to meet the Persona 3 age standards.
@Weston Meyer Well technically they all are direct sequels even if past characters don't reappear. Some do in other forms
I grew up on SMT games like DDS and Nocturne, as well as the Persona games starting with 3. I love these games with a passion and after just finishing Royal for some reason I've been thinking a lot about P1 and 2. I would really love to play these games as they are or remade, simply for the music and the story.
You're right. Here's a fun fact, Persona 1 was the best selling Atlus game in Japan until Persona 5 released. It was their top game for decades, so it's sad to see Western fans ignore it.
Unfortunately, the only thing that remains in every game are the skills, the last reference you could hear from the past games is: you can hear trish in if you turn in the tv in persona 3, and some people talk about how nanjo is remarkable for his way of dressing, after that, it seems that the 2 first games never happened, also in p3 theres a game called "innocent sin online" i think those are the only references i saw so far to the first 2 games, it could be nice to see more about all the games in the future.
I find it funny that you say "thank you for sitting through this long video" at the end when it was just seven minutes
If Persona 2 Get remake, i wonder those Motorsexual joke will rise once again.
*insert joke about the number four*
I'm the 4th comment
Don't worry. They will rise again.
"Motorcycle noises"
*Motorcycle impression*
The main thing I don't like about the current Persona games is that they completely wrote out Philemon and Nyarlethotep.
they still exist, we just dont know whats going on with them
Nyarlothep and Philemon are in the background in current games but they're not doing much.
@@goroakechi3593 it's likely that the Velvet room attendants are all pieces of Philemon
@@digitaldevilarts2589 but were is belladonna and nameless, they give us great music.
@@sirdragonmoon7092 they're apparently still there performing the Velvet room music but for some reason we can't see them
P2 needs a complete remake to be fully appreciated. I love the games but would never replay them. That enemy encounter rate is too high, and the battle system is way too repetitive.
unfortunately remakes of the P2 games wouldn't have the same charm as the originals I feel. The kind of serious tone and religious as well as Nazi references P2 (especially innocent sin) had and what they were allowed to put into the story back then would never survive in today's overly sensitive, politically correct world.
Geass Zer0es Wolfenstein series is successful in today’s “politically correct” world tho, and those games are about a reality in which Nazis won WW2 lol
@@RedBull528 wolfensteino (i think) is just a critic and a shooter where you kill nazis and thats all... Persona games are more a critic vs MANY aspects of the modern life in a PRESENT reality so... i dont think it's the same
Repetitive like what, selecting spells to hit weaknesses and doing all out attacks every fight?
@@wiseman_snap7346 Nah, repetitive like literally hitting a "play for me" button with every random encounter.
I want these games to be remade.
Quizard Lovecraft AYE I KNOW RIGHT IF THEY GOT REMADE LIKE THE STORY COULD STAY THE SAME JUST THE GRAPHICS
Anyone can play them on an emulator and the graphics are fine. I personally like Persona 2's graphics more on the PS1 version than on the PSP version. I do have problems with the combat system, but that's pretty personal and other people might prefer it as it is. I don't know about Persona 1 or 2 Eternal Punishment, but I don't see the necesity for an Innocent Sin remake.
Same
Persona 1's PSX OST needs to come back. Seriously.
Love Persona 1 and 2, dont want that to happen.
I disagree persona 3 is not lighthearted.
It's like he didn't play the game 🤔
@@NaschAzure people sad people die game deep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@SimplyDad dude the themes are fucking dark
@@SimplyDad you clearly have no idea what you're talking about because P3 is more than that
@@NaschAzure hell I haven't and I already KNOW it's not light-hearted. Just looking up videos about P3, the story, and the epilogue shows how dark P3 really gets. This guy's totally ignorant to what P3 is about
I'm actually one of the few people who played the series in chronological order, but it's nice to see you raising awareness of these vastly underappreciated entries. You also made me even more excited to play Persona 5 when I get my hands on a system for it.
Zoro
I'd love to see Tatsuya and other P1 & 2 characters in P5 Arena
You know they were short enough on character ideas to debate adding Nanako and Dojima to the roster, but not consider classic persona...
SamBeta20 Because the persona 1 characters are horrible. Wouldn't mind seeing the persona 2 cast though.
@@brandonontama2415 They arent horrible, they are better some characters in the series and plus they have access to more than one Persona which P3-P5 dont do for the entire party as a whole
@Weston Meyer Dont think that matter if it was DLC
@Weston Meyer makes sense.
If you need a reason to play Persona 2, go look up "The Last Battalion cutscene."
They could at least bring back Philemon :/
Philemon is better than Igor fight me.
Rickie no need, you’re completely right.
isn’t he the butterfly in each game?
@@charxeleon6313 Yeah, but he should return as a character instead of an icon.
@@derekmartin5340 but wasn’t he dead? Or reincarnated? Or something like that
I couldn't finish Persona 1. That enemy encounter rate pissed me off too much. I stopped about half way through the castle and then I just watched the rest. So i played about 60% of that game.
Persona 2 was amazing though. Played both those parts to the end. Worth it.
On a tangential note, it was interesting to see that you access the Tatsuya Scenario in EPP. Also Tatsuya...had a hard life...
To me, the way I see it, if Persona 1 and 2 just get lower encounter rates, more interesting dungeon design, and faster battles ( this I want specifically for Persona 2), Also Persona 1 could get a slighty improved battle system and level up system. if all this happened, I wouldn't have any problems with them. I love everything else about them and I think they're great games. Persona 3 is fun and great too but I'm honestly not a big fan of the day to day type thing. its fun trying to decide what to do every day but it gets repetitive and boring for me after a while. And yes I do climb Tartarus a lot but you can only do that until you reach a blockade and have to wait for the next big Shadow (btw j have yet to finish P3 no spoils please lol).
That's pretty much how I feel.
Cool! I hope people don't get the wrong idea. I love Persona 3 and 4 for the story, characters, Persona fusing, and combat but the daily system gets annoying for me. If they just made it that you can do more things in each day then I'd enjoy it a lot more. Also in Persona 3, grinding for exp is a pain since you barely get any of it from battle and for money, you don't get any unless you guess the correct roulette at the end and I hate that.
I have yet to play Persona 5 but I hope the daily system thing is made more fun (it seems like you can do a lot more each day so that's awesome).
I'll take dungeons taking place in malls, sanitariums and schools rather than a boring ass tower that drags on forever or randomly generated garbage. The dungeons are super SMT-y though but theres a spell to lower or nullify encounters.
Also battles in persona 2 end really quickly if you know how to use fusions.
>more interesting dungeon design.
This went out the window when hey gave us a 250+ floor tower that barely changes.
1 especially has frustrating dungeons, but at least they aren't boring randomly generated floors stacked upon floors.
also, I'd like both the PS1 and PSP soundtracks for P1
I don’t understand why people ignore the first persona games, because they’re definitely up in the list of og RPG and JRPGs.
Because 3-5 overshadow them
@@Kagetora- yeah but they aren't objectively better
considering how much grind and repetitive combat there is in P3, I assume it only gets worse as you go further back (with how everyone describes P1 and P2 combat). Honestly I think I'm just gonna watch a playthrough of P2 IS and EP just because old-school JRPG combat is so god damn boring
however I am looking forward to the story as everyone really hypes it up
@@RatsFunHouse101 it's not the same. In P2 you work alot to get to where you need to be. There comes a ton of satisfaction with that
P1 even has the biggest map in the series and some of the best characters.
Persona 3 is lightheated and approachable? Your party is a team of people that mostly don't like each other, they bicker constantly, people betray you constantly, main characters die unexpectedly, your spend your time in dungeons shooting yourself in the head symbolically, the dark hour has blood and coffins everywhere....
Persona 4, sure, but honestly Persona 2 feels more lightheated to me than persona 3. The main thing that makes P3 feel 'lighter' is that the graphical style wasn't as serious as 2, mostly due to the somewhat deformed character models which was needed for Ps2 graphics at the time, couldnt rely on spites.
''mostly don't like each other''? What? The p3 cast may not start that friendly but they slowly build up a colective bond as the story progresses. They have a lot of troubled moments but that's because of all the stuff they have to deal with during the main plot and related to their own personal issues...but that doesn't mean they mostly don't like each other. In fact by the end of the game they're all best friends and ALL collectively remember about the main character and go meet him at the school roof, even though they were all supposed to forget about everything they passed through.
HassouTobi the reason I like the crew in P3 more than anyone in the beginning they really hate each other but the way they build up the relationship was much more relatable
Persona 3 is lame. Persona 4 is Diamond is unbrekable but with a shitty villian. P5 On the other hand has No weaknesses!!! Except for the final boss....fuck the final boss of P5 he sucks and he isnt hard.
Raptor Jesus the same amount of main characters die and get locked in alternate dimensions in both games.
persona 2 ends with an entire fucking universe destroyed due to the fault of a protagonist's childishness and you legitimately think persona 3 had a darker tone just because the characters argued and had guns?
edgy =/= mature, my fellow. unless your idea of a "mature game" is shadow the hedgehog because he also has guns, argues, and sonic dies, you should get what i'm saying. yes, persona 3 is definitely edgy, as are a lot of megaten games. but persona 2 is a more mature experience.
Mima - When did he say the game was more mature? Dark =/= mature
I like how persona 3 and 4 make you feel unique and special cause it realy never happens to me in real life.
Kurosaki Bilharinho you’re special to me
@@222Kamron yes
222Kamron
Stop saying that it’s scary. Imagine u being sad and some random person tells u: “ur special to me” sure anybody would freak out lol😂
@@222Kamron simp
YOU'RE SPECIAL
One thing I really hated with these current Persona games was just how much it tried to treat the main character as special, bordering on "perfect", even going into Gary Stu territory at times. Not only that, but they also put a lot of emphasis that only the group they are a part of can do anything, reinforcing that whole special deal.
Contrast that with the earlier games where the main character is just as flawed, if not more so, as his comrades. He/She is not treated as some super special person. Additionally, not only is the whole thing with Persona's and the like common, they can even talk about it openly. But perhaps most importantly, it also shows that a group of immature teenagers really can't save the world, in fact, they made things worse. It was the adults who had to fix things.
matteste You're seriously complaining about a lack of realism in a JRPG? And honestly, what reason is there for a main character to be the main character without them being special? That's why Vaan is one of the least popular FF protagonists- because there's no reason for him to be the protagonist. And believe it or not, but some people actually enjoy imagining themselves as someone awesome once in a while. I know I do.
I never said anything about lack of realism, And if you think a story can't work without the main character being special then I seriously wonder how many actually good stories you have seen / read. My point is that all of the characters of a world should play by the same rules, nothing is hidden from anyone, and if one character can attain power then so can anyone else. It's get's especially annoying when some random normal dude is made special just cause, instead of say, they themselves making themselves special within the world they live in.
matteste Not everyone is equal. Some people are just better at things than others. It's common sense.
Joe Devaney I think you missed the point.
@@joseph86255 yeah but yu is good at everything he does.
Glad to see someone else appreciates these games as much as I do; as I believe Persona 2 is one of the best games in the entire MegaTen franchise.
See I started with persona 3 and after I beat it, I couldn't wait for persona 4 to come out. In time of waiting I picked these two games up, and loved them just as much as P3 (granted it was P2 that stood out more to me out of the two). The only thing that persona one and two did was made me hate myself for not picking the game series up sooner. The persona series is literally one of the best, along with the digital devil series. Atlus is just a godly company when it comes to games.
Same here though I got turned off at how different it was at first. Mechanics felt convoluted and I could get the story with more development from the manga. Then after playing persona 4 and more SMT games you really appreciate the differences and I find myself enjoying it more than I do most SMT. Just wish I knew more games that played like classic persona.
I downloaded P1 months ago, but I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet, so I can't give too much of an opinion on it. I did however play both IS and EP, and honestly, those two combined have the best story imo. I do have to admit that the high random encounters put me off, but I got used to it after some time and items. It makes me sad that not many people know or even care about P2 (or at the very least pretend that the series started with 3) since the story is so damn good. Part of me really hopes they remake IS and EP, but I know it's not gonna happen.
They are not random encounters if you have a warning light that tells you your about to encounter enemies. I actually have the opposite problem with action encounters being everywhere in games today because I'm trying to play an rpg when my game turns into an action game. Not to mention the like giving different swing speeds or they just make it an auto hit.
persona 1's encounter rate is way higher than Persona 2.
in fact Persona 2 doesn't have a bad encounter rate.
You don't need to follow a guide for social links. Technically you don't need a guide for any part of the game. The player is just meant to figure it out. (Although you may want a guide for the class questions)
Atlus may not remake Persona 1 and 2 in the near future. who knows. But they are referenced in Persona 5 a couple of times.
SEBEC mentioned on TV on 6/11
A detective in rose-colored glasses is mentioned on TV. This character is probably Katsuya Sudou from Persona 2.
The X Folders DVD you can rent plays the Mt. Iwato music from P2
It is small but the fact that they reference Persona 1-4 in Persona 5 with or without DLC is nice. It's like a way of ATLUS saying that they haven't completely forgotten it.
While I personally love Persona 3 a whole lot, I can't lie when I say Persona 1 and 2 deserve a lot more attention. Especially 2. I haven't completely finished the games of Persona 2 but I've definitely started to like the story. I can see why so many people say that P2 had the best story of all the games.
Persona 2 duology = best Persona games fight me
I mean yeah since it only has to compete with p3p which isn't even canon.
Sig Rosas
YES!
Not gonna argue here
P3P is just Persona 3 with some well needed changes to gameplay (like being able to control party members) and added a female protagonist story (the non-canon part of P3P)
@@WednesdayMan eXcUsE mE? FEMC IS CANON IN THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, THEODORE ALSO CANON, HE'S THE BROTHER OF VELVET ATTENDANTS.
I think that the Persona 2 duology is wonderful and deserves way more attention than it got, but as a Persona fan myself, I think Persona 1 definitely needs a remaster of some sort. Even the PSP re-release isn't ideal, and while the PS1 version has an amazing atmosphere, its gameplay is quite dated and even obnoxious sometimes. I'm ok with having Persona 2 where it is, but the first game definitely needs some sort of overhaul into the modern era.
Playing Persona 1 right now and loving it. Still trying to figure out what’s up with Maki tho
Hi
@@BitchChill what’s upppp
Great video man. I appreciate the love you're showing these two (technically three)
games. Especially P1 because I just plain don't understand the hate for that game. Then again I really love all the Persona games and have no problems going back to play the older ones. With the release of P5 recently I think this franchise is in great shape and I hope it stays that way.
When it comes to preference I rank them P2>P5>P3>P1>P4
I still love Persona 4 either way 🤷♂️
These games need an overhaul to make them less grindy. First off the encounters were to slow and samey, it all whittled down to keep attacking and healing till you win. The story was good but when it came to gameplay it could've done way better. Also Maya is Best Woman
cronical246 Persona 1 is the game I think needs a overhaul. Persona 2 was way better with the battle system. Just wish the encounter rate wasn't insanely high
its on digital devil saga's level of bs encounter rate
I pretty sure that's every rpg/fps/jrpg is heal and attack until win. Also keep in mind Social links gave us grinding exp to level for new skills in persona. Classics just had us get new skills by using skills without leveling.
Persona 1 needs some changes, Persona 2 is ok I actually don't mind the high encounter rate and the SP system is perfectly fine I would leave the ability of regaining SP with moving alone since it stops the SP from slowing the game down
Persona 1 made me think during battle, something neither Pokemon nor Earthbound ever accomplished.
Naoya's persona literally looks like Star Platinum, by the way.
p2 is in my list of fav games and my fav persona game.
this came into my recommendation out of nowhere, you got a sub.
I am playing Persona 2 Innocent Sin (My first Persona game) and from what I've seen its pretty good.
Excellent video! I particularly love Persona 2 - the characters are some of the coolest in any game I've played, and they have so much depth. And I like how in both 1 and 2, in each room you go to the characters will be standing in different places, and they'll always have different things to say depending on where you are, and what point in the story you're at - that really adds to their depth. For example in Innocent Sin, I don't know if this is addressed in the main plot later on, but I found out that Eikichi starved himself to get thin purely because he makes an off-handed reference to it if you talk to him in one of the Satomi Tadashi stores at an early point in the story, and because I noticed in the flashbacks that he was a chubby kid. These games are really mature - properly, not in the way that usually means in games and films - and they address some serious issues. I'm told that applies to Eternal Punishment even moreso.
Of course, it's also important to note that Innocent Sin features a gay option for the protagonist, which both 4 and 5 hint at but ultimately chicken out on. So for some reason Atlus is actually being less progressive now than they were in 1999. And yeah, I can't believe they took out the option to change your party members' personas from 3 onwards, removing so much customisation and strategy. Of course, in every version of 3 but the PSP one you can't even control your party members in battles - that's crazy! It definitely seems like they casualised the series... which catapulted it into mainstream success. Ah.
P2 is criminally underrated and I hate it. Eternal Punishment was what introduced me to Persona and SMT as a whole, and I fell even more in love with Innocent Sin when they remade it for the PSP.
Persona 3, 4 and 5 are all equally great games, but 2 will always have a special place in my heart. I’ve never played 1 though
really well done video. i fully agree with the social link being restricted with time, as much as i like the idea of it it is kinda annoying when you dont want to use a guide sinc ei like to play as i go without one unless im stuck. great discussion
Thank you and yea I feel the same way. People say "Oh you have free time" but even the guides will tell you that you need to use that free time in a certain order if you want to get the max social links.
I agree with many points of this video, mostly in regard to story and character development. The main reason I enjoy P5 is that it does incorporate many of the elements introduced in P1 and 2, making the gameplay the best the series has to offer. I would love to see a proper remake of Persona 2 that combines the two games into one big game. P1 did get a deserved reception, but P2 is way too overlooked.
I feel like p5 uses some elements but simplifies then and dumbstruck them down too much to be good like demon negotiation in p5 is way worse and is boring
The moment you started playing "school days" from P1 i completely sang that song in my head and ignored the video, so i had to go back and watch it again🤣🤣
The production quality of your videos are just... just beautiful.... jesus...
This game is so disrespected to the point it's pure blasphemy that people claim they dont exist one of the best RPGs I ever played the story is well thought out excellent characters I loved these games
"Get them on Amazon, they aren't too expensive" that quote aged horribly
I know 😭
This video is really informative and great, in the process of getting a vita so I can play through the majority of these games and replay P4 with the Golden version so this helps a ton
When i heard that p1 characters can change personas, my mind exploted
To be fair, while Persona 4 is Japanese Scooby Doo, let’s not forget that Persona 3 is pretty much Japanese X-Men lmao
I would love to see some remakes for P1 and P2. I'd play them in a heartbeat.
Story: P2 > P3 > P5 > P4 > P1
Characters: P2 > P3 > P4 > P5 > P1
Chemistry: P4 > P2 > P3 > P5 > P1
But as an Game: P5 > P4 > P3 > P2 > P1
Brandon Ontama Persona 1 has the best music in my opinion.
"But as a Game: P5 = P4 > P3 > P2 > P1"
Fixed that for you. The extended storylines brought to Persona 4 by its side games (like Arena and even Dancing All Night) push its overall quality as a game up to at least the same level as P5.
(I'm gonna have to simply disagree with your entire ranking of the games based solely on their stories, however, because the general tone/atmosphere set by a game's story makes its quality largely subjective.)
Excellent ranking ;)
I FUCKING AGREE SO MUCH
Why the fuck is “chemistry” a metric to judge the games by?
I'm 3 years late. But I'm definitely gonna play these games based on your recommendation. Thanks brother.
After playing P5 I really wanted to go back and play 1-4. I've seen all of them on the PSN store, so whenever I get my Vita I am downloading all of those games. Nice vid btw
If Persona 1 is as bad as people say it is, I doubt we would actually have gotten any of the other Persona game we have now.
Maybe it's one of those games that was well-appreciated in its heyday, but it didn't fare so well in the test of time.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 "the test of time."
That's an idiotic phrase and I roll my eyes and cringe every time I see or hear it.
It’s always tradition of mine to play through the first game in a series even though they’re not related and you can jump in at any point I’d like to see how the game involves over the years I do like persona one and two but four will always be my favorite. After all it brought me into this amazing community in series.
What bugs me is that without emulation I can't play Eternal Punishment because Atlus refuses to release it in Europe
Wolfhunter9435 This is 99% of what I emulate cause Europe. Can't feel guilty if they don't want your money
Wolfhunter9435 Well we would pay for it if it where there but since it is not we shouldn't feel guilty
Sometime Piracy exists because you can't buy x product since they might not exist where you are.
P1 was the first game in the series I tried and it almost made me drop the series entirely tbh
Thanks for your thoughts. I will be picking up Persona 1 and 2 now.
Hearing the Velvet Room theme, it was really cool to see that the vocals and piano originated from these two characters from the earlier games..........for me that's a serious easter egg!
Persona 5 being my introduction to the series, I was told not to really bother with the older games because P5 takes all the good from them while removing the bad. However, each game seems to have its own interesting story and characters............not to mention awesome individual soundtracks. It seems like a shame to not check these out, so I'll be looking into this more.
My primary concern is all the Persona games seem to be heavy in the time investment department. 90 hours is already way past plenty to invest into a game, but to multiply that by 3 more games (I'm rounding up a bit here) is a touch intimidating.
Something that you mentioned left me a bit confused. If every character in your party can change Personas then doesn't it make the game way easier? If only one character can switch Personas (like P4 and P5), in theory doesn't that make the game more of a challenge? It would mean you'd have to strategize more because you only have one wild card instead of 4.....so I don't think it's a bad change for only one character to be able to use more than one Persona.(Unless I'm misunderstanding the Persona switch mechanic in the older games)
Also, I really enjoy the social links. They might be flawed (?) but I like them a lot. I like learning about the characters through this method and I would be really sad if they got rid of it.
Maybe they'll find a way to improve on it so it feels more organic for people who feel like it doesn't quite click with them.
I enjoyed this video, but I would have personally liked you to go more in-depth with what we should expect from Persona 1 and 2 gameplay wise.
If we're coming from P4 or P5 it would be nice to have an idea of gameplay elements we might run into that may shellshock us or make it feel less accessible/fun.
Sometimes being prepared with that knowledge can help make a game more enjoyable, especially if the game is dated.
"Social links are flawed, because you have to look up a guide." No, it's a life sim. Answer how you would. It's not "Oh man! I need to say the right things." No. The point is it's like hanging out with real people. If you look up a guide, it ruins the experience.
You should have kept the name of the video but the whole video should've been the Tadashi Pharmacy Song
Great video.
It might be too late for me to ask this question since you haven't made a video in a year but....
When I played persona 3 on the PSP the cutscenes were changed to still frames & I didn't have direct control of the main character outside of tartarus.
Do you know if there's anything like that going on in the PSP versions of the 1st 2?
And if so is there a particular platform you recommend I use, that won't cause me to have an OCD seizure?
This video is only 2 years old now, and thanks to Person 5, all the ones before it are really expensive on Amazon.
You REAALLYY deserve more subscribers.
Thanks to your video, I am sold. I'll play P1 and P2 eventually.
personally, other than gameplay mechanics, I can only assume the reason the characters can switch around multiple personas in the first 3 games and not in the others is because of philemon being so much more involved in the plot
in the persona 1's battle background in one of the dungeons if you see the moving thingy properly i guess, you'll see a monster.
Any opinion either good or bad about Shin Megami Tensei Imagine and Shin Megami Tensei Dx2 ?
Been wanting to play these games forever, but I can't find a way to easily access them
i just started playing 1 and its been great, the only other game i played before it was 3 and its cool to see the evolution of the games. they definitely need to remake these someday. also 1s soundtrack is amazing
A coment that i heard often that piss me off is "they should remake P1&2 in the style of 3", and i´m like no, they shouldn´t, don´t get me wrong they should step up the gameplay a step but not to the point of loosing their identity.
That aside, you really capture what i love of this games, and for those who say that the P1 characters are swallow and one noted, i suggest you to visit another places, after all you have time chase S.links aren´t you?
Like you say, is a shame that this game are usually overlooked, not only by fans, but by the company itself. Just to more things, number one, The opening of the Persona 1 remake of Psp has my favorite theme in hte whole series, number two, you deserves more suscribers, i hope i can help with that. Great video.
very good video , I am playing persona 1 & 5 at the moment :)
Innocent sin is pretty good.
I’d like to see actual persona 2 dlc for persona 5. Like giving us Apollo or Artemis.
For me p2(is and ep) is a masterpiece while the rest are just great games.
school days = best song ever
great video pal!
I actually played the games in order, haha, and really loved Persona 1! I was actually quite surprised to see people didn’t really like it or even pay attention nowadays
Nice video, I'll have to get around to 1 and 2 at some point, I would like remakes moreso than a new fighter or anything, Just to see those old games brought up to the higher level of polish of their sequels.
Anyways I do just want to say that If you're curious about another underrated set of RPGs, I'd suggest trying the Mega Man Star Force trilogy for the Nintendo DS, It's the successor series to the Mega Man Battle Network series on the Game Boy Advance, and takes place within the same continuity 200 years later.
While they aren't at all the same, I actually think Star Force and the Persona series have a lot of strange parallels.
anyways the characters are endearing and receive a good amount of development over the course of the series, and there's a ton of attention to detail and lots of character plus world building secrets for those willing to go out of there way and explore things outside progressing the main quest, You don't need to play Battle Network to understand Star Force and/or it's narrative, it has subtle nods and references to Battle Network(as well as other Mega Man iterations) in extra dialogue and certain visuals, but it doesn't rely on it or any other Mega Man iteration as a crutch for storytelling.
I don't really feel like Mega Man Star Force gets enough credit, It was the first and only true set of online Mega Man games, and it seemed like it had a proper answer for just about all of Battle Network's biggest problems, People often bash it for streamlining Battle Network's innovative Battle system, but I don't think too many of those people put thought towards Star Force's new mechanics and systems at all, the changes gave the series a style of it's own and eradicated all of the tedium that came with within Battle Network's system, In other words I feel people overlook it's battle system and don't properly judge Star Force on it's own merits, rather they come into it wanting Battle Network and get mad about it being something else.
It's a fun series and definitely among my favorite games out there, I really appreciate how strong the overall narrative is as well the good balance of light and dark tones, It's highly commendable considering it's target audience was grade school children and it's a collect-a-thon TCG style game at that, those usually lack the kind of storytelling depth thats found in the MMSF series.
I definitely agree that they should be played, at least once. P1 was just a little too antiquated in gameplay design that it was hard for me to get into so I probably won't play it again. But both P2 games are still high on my list of enjoyable games.
Well i just started persona 1 i like it
let’s positive thinking!!
My uncle has a psp go that he gave me when I was younger he had both persona 2 games in case and he handed them to me along with a random racing game he told me not to play persona 2 but as all 5 year old kids do they get curious and see what it is I didn’t know who hit-er was at the time and in game he was called fuh--r and I didn’t know what that meant so for a week I ran around saying fuh-r
Forgot to mention boss battle like the cat tank and how the second boss petrified your team. The game actually provide challenge and affect.
I remember I wanted to watch this video a while ago, but I was too scared of spoilers
I can finally watch it now at last :p
Persona 2 was fucking great
So while watching this it occurred to me what bugs me the most about persona 3, 4, and 5. I love those games and I throughly enjoyed the social links, but when you were talking about characters developing organically over the course of the story it really hits home that your characters in the later games can personality shift hard depending on their social link rank and how far into the game you are. Did you hard focus a link and get it maxed as soon as the game allows? Well expect a completly different tone when your not spending one on one time with them because they dont change every scene to react to how deep your social link is.
As I said I throughly enjoyed the social links in 3 4 and 5 like alot some of my favorite parts of the game are the social links and the impact they have. But as you said it's really not organic storytelling.
Also side note the party can go to the velvet room in persona 1 because they are all wild card characters. (I didnt play persona 2 yet) but assuming they change persona there and all go to the velvet room it's the same principle.
My problem with the first Persona games is that they're needlessly difficult; you don't get EXP if you negotiate with demons, so either you choose between leveling up your characters or developing your personas. This makes it so you pretty much have to fight twice the battles in order to proceed efficiently without burning out your resources.
Kinda the point of why you don't reduce encounters when you port the game. Thanks Atlus.
Nice Mankind Divided thingy at the end
I just finished the persona 2 duology and here are my thoughts. Without spoiling too much, I have to at least say it made me crippling depressed with the bitterweet (heck it’s not even sweet much at all, still sad ending doesn’t mean it’s bad) and definitely a contrast to the newer games. I loved innocent sin but honestly I really didn’t like eternal punishment as much. Characters are amazing, I got very emotionally invested in them. Story is really great and lives up to the hype. Soundtrack is truly great, I guess Persona has always been good in the soundtrack department. The biggest flaw in these games are the contact/summoning system...they are incredibly unnecessarily complicated and inconsistent. I’m not sure why people complain about the encounter rate, it’s no different than old school pokemon and such imo lol...encounters are literally the gameplay itself so if you don’t like them you’re not gonna like the entire gameplay period. Basically it’s true that these games didn’t “age well” because the encounters are literally all the gameplay...the dungeons are merely just a place to walk and encounter and nothing else. So if you think you can be patient and understanding and you aren’t the type of person to despise random chance encounters, it’s definitely worth a play.
What a gret briefing my friend!! Yes Man the first trilogy ( If you consider the Yuko chain) is so damm good! And I have to tell that the Cristian imagery on the later instalements don't sets well with me! The first ones have misteries and tons of great villians! God bless you!!
I started with Persona 1, and am now going through Persona 2 Innocent Sin. Absolutely loving the series so far.
What I agree on is that Persona 1 and 2 are great, they have this mature feeling to them, its a mature RPG and its refreshing.
But i'd suggest to play Persona 2 Eternal Punishment on original console or PS2
I completed Persona 1, Persona 2 Innocent Sin and now playing Eternal Punishment. Trying my best to at least get the good endings.
I'm almost done with Persona 3 FES (played it originally on the portable version). And I just started with Persona 2. Honestly I'm in love with both games. So vastly different yet so compelling and funny and heartfelt. Persona 1 I couldn't even finish. It was so fucking boring, I don't think I'll ever go back to it.
They need to remake Persona 2IS and 2EP.
persona 2 innocent sin and eternal punishment is amazing, i play that game after playing the 3, 4, 5. the characters is so good and well done, i have to say is my fav in the series so far, i still have to play persona 1.
Wellp, you've convinced me to try these games.
What's the name of the song in the background of your video at the beginning?
Absolutely love Persona 1 and both 2’s. They deserve one more remake for modern consoles or even a sequel with characters from both games.
the first persona game i played is persona4 Golden, honestly i didn't expect it to it have a darker theme to it. so now i wanna play 1 and 2 qwq
0:53 Make this into the gameplay of Persona 1 and 2. It will draw new fans.
If you're planning on playing Persona 1 and take the Sebec route be patient and do the specific requrements for Reiji 👌
Everyone should play Persona 2. But not Persona 1. You read the manga for that one. Also, while Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment have a really good plot and characters, its gameplay is really boring in my opinion. These 3 games would really benefit from a full blown remake that adds a lot of the manga additions into Persona 1 and use the combat systems of modern Persona titles. I mean hell, I'd honestly take just having an anime adaptation of the first three Persona games if it means more people get to experience the story.