All the people thinking this is Jenkins, it’s not. You see a marine with a boonie run away in the video that Chief watches from Jenkins helmet. Jenkins is infected and gone. This is a different marine. Play the game again or look up the video itself.
That is correct, Jenkins still had control of his body at times and was in terrible pain and was able to warn survivors about a flood attack coming if I remember correctly
@@bucktastic0072 yes because after intense pain the flood would hibernate for a short time because it wasn’t at full strength. Like with Keys who was still fighting a proto-gravemind.
At this point the flood is still kinda waking up honestly. They've been asleep for about 100,000 years. Let em have their coffee first, then the nightmare can begin.
@@DigitalNewt not intelligent enough for that yet. Keep in mind they don't reach the coordinated phase until a proto-Gravemind is formed, they're still feral and weak after 100,000 year nap. Look at Jenkins, the Flood that infected him couldn't even infect him properly due to being so old and weak.
It may have sold the sense if mabye a short sec after you enter the room you get jumped starting with that marine like it try’s to attack from behind but chief kills it with gun fire
@@randombrickfilms1253 I mean to me personally I think it could que into the danger of what the flood could be and that they can think but that’s just me
And plus who knows a infected shoilder might of shot the running soilder and cause his to die while running from shock. Idk lol my guess and yes 100% on this comment agree very much 😊
Your thinking of jenkins who was already infected st this point and running with a horde of flood towards where the marines are stationed at alpha point. This is not jenkins
@@bucktastic0072 not ao much get into the floods collective thoughts,but he could feel their hunger and desire to infect,and at certain times knew what it was doing or about to do ,in regards to attacks and whatnot.
This is what actually happens in the book Jenkins is not dead and is infected, but the infection form is old and obly works half way. He wanders ariund and encounters a group of odsts who he tries to kill due to the forms control. He manages to lead them to the long night of solace and srop thr flood from escaping trh ring on it and dies in the explosion
@@hunterh1175 well as the games went on they changed it, as in the dead bodies could be infected. Whatever helped make the story and gameplay better they would make changes
@@bucktastic0072idk what lore changes you're speaking of but going as far back the novels the flood HAVE been able to take over BOTH living and dead they just prefer them alive to dig into their minds for key information. This would be like pointing out in this game they were more than waking up;the flood didn't have a gravemind to lead them more effectively and the one they did have was with an unwilling host who held out until chief killed both him and he gravemind which assimilated. Only real changes they made were in that LIVING people didn't often die when infected by the flood they keep em alive until there's no longer any use meaning in the games we wouldn't have been hearing *just* the sounds the flood made but theirs hosts ACTIVELY asking to put outta their misery. Now I won't assume much but I will say you should go into detail what was changed overall because I don't recall beyond what i mentioned anyway that they did further lore tweaks.
@@Grukgrimskull they changed stuff from halo CE to halo 2 to halo 3 just to go with the story. Would be crazy playing the game and hearing a flood say kill me while shooting at you
We forget that chief can flip a scorpion tank make a phantom kamikaze switch course by punching it he's Hulkishly strong without the armor he'd probably outdo captain America
@@bucktastic0072I believe it was private Mendoza but I could be wrong. Side note if anyone says it was Jenkins they’re wrong the halo novel The Flood tells his story
Think it was a case similar to johnson who had a health problem that made it harder to infect the body dont think he was part of the spartan 1 program tho
@@bucktastic0072not sure about this specific marine but I can tell you the lore reason Johnson wasn’t infected. Johnson had been receiving medical treatments for injuries he got from using an entire crate of plasma grenades. The burns and radiation from the grenades messed with his immune system and internal organs and he quit the treatment half way through so he could get back into the fight against the covenant. The mixture of the damage form the plasma and the incomplete treatment basically made his body to confusing for the flood to assimilate. That being said I have no idea how he escaped when the flood could have just killed him.
@@IHappyDays wrong, thats the cover story they came up with. Johnson is resistant (not immune) to infection due to the toll his Spartan 1 augmentations took on his body. The flood need more time to infect him because his body isnt normal.
@@KittysInu Halsey said he had Borden’s disease from the radiation. The reason he made it out of the installation was because he was in the Orion project but thats not why the flood didn’t infect him. It wasn’t a cover story, she examined him and that what she figured out. She chose not to inform oni becuase they would have experimented on him. Nothing I’m seeing says the Orion project is the reason for his resistance
Because in halo, a part of the flood story is that some people are not infectible so they can only kill them and not infect them. It’s something I still have no idea about, but my dad told me and he’s a huge halo fan.
I like the detail where he clears his back again. Good sense for combat AND movie tropes where things normally attack you when things like this happen haha.
They collect bodies to use their biomass for later. This marine was probably one of the few they kept for that reason. After all, it wasn't long before the master chief showed up and there were plenty of covenant troops to choose from for better combat forms as well.
I’d like to think mental health plays a factor when a hive mind is picking combat forms from its prey population. “Nahhh, he’s all gross and chicken sh1t, just leave ‘em”
mendoza was a spartan 1 with borens syndrome - it isn't immunity to the flood but it makes you undesirable to infection forms for some strange reason; probably the main reason johnson was able to escape the facility in the first place since in the halo graphic novel it showed that he only fought combat forms on his way out.
Not true in one of the books he was almost infected by a flood form that jumped on his back with a wrench then smashed his visor proceeding to send the tendrils into John 117s back through his visor all why John is screaming in pain and cortana used his suits MJOLNIR armor to create a electrical discharge which didn't harm John but did harm the infection form making it pop my source halo the flood by William c dietz
The fact we see explosions and the covenant running away from it on the walk into this place I’ve always assumed this JUST happened before we got there.
The insane marine survived by playing dead. I imagine the flood hadn't evolved enough to consume dead bodies yet until halo 3. Since in halo 2 the flood never consumed the marine corpses in Sacred Icon.
I would say that even at their feral stage, the Flood is smart enough to remembered to leave bodies to act as bait for more hosts. So they thought "leave at least one fresh meat for more"
Looks like this marine could’ve ran away from the battle with wounds and managed to kill anything chasing him, then succumbed to said wounds. That’s the only thing I can think of
There are 2 seperate explanations, one is no fun IRL stuff and the other is a roughly pieced together fan theory the community came up with to explain it. The IRL explanation is that Bungie had nothing planned for Halo 2 or 3. They had no idea where they were going to go with the flood, covenant, or anything because they didnt even know if the game was gonna get a sequel. At the time, flood only did live hosts. Even the marine with the pistol says he played dead to survive. When Halo 2 got greenlit, someone apparently said "hey, know what would be cool? If the flood could reanimate all the bodies in game." And everyone cheered and said "do it!" Bungies philosophy for the Halo trilogy was "If its cool we're gonna do it, continuity and lore comes second." They were more worried about us having fun than anything else. The in lore fan theory/explanation is that the flood were using that facility to ambush and infect more hosts before they attempted to escape the ring. Either through the protogravemind they were making or the gravemind on Halo 2 influencing them, they had enough intelligence to know they needed more numbers before starting a full outbreak. So they left some survivors and bodies as bait for others to come. When the covenant or UNSC attempts a rescue, the flood could ambush them. The fan theory doesnt really fit with typical flood behavior, and the Flood on CE were still in the late Feral stage at this point. But like i said the real reason is Bungie wanted to make the flood cooler in Halo 2 than they were in CE. So there are a few points in the games where you have to fill the gaps in yourself and some retcons you have to accept for a better gaming experience
That doesn't make sense though because even in the game as your progress through 343 Guilty Spark you see evidence that they're collecting dead bodies. There's a whole elevator caked in Grunt Blood and you didn't make that happen. What's likely is he managed to somehow seal himself in the room, or he literally just died as chief opened the door, because bodies don't just stay standing up.
@@sorrenblitz805 the bodies show up when you go deeper into the installation, the only ones you see going in are a few in the hallways and one big group in a room that is barricaded, which looked like it couldve been just a last stand that failed. Couldve been the captain's group every time. You see all the rest when the flood spring their ambush. But again, there is no real reason. Its fans trying to explain away one of Bungies changes to the flood because no other real explanation exists. Howd they get the bodies out of the locked room then propped him up on the locked door? Who locked the door? Couldnt be mendoza, cause the flood removed the captains body after the ambush. There are a bunch of theories, thats the simplest and easiest one to accept. If you dig too deeply, youre always gonna find an inconsistency. And youre never gonna get a real answer.
@@sorrenblitz805 as far as your theory goes, what killed him if he just died? No flood are loose in the room when Chief enters. Theyre all locked in side rooms waiting. If he sealed himself in the room earlier than that, then why didnt the flood attack him like they did the Captains group, and later Chief? Why didnt they immediately take his body, why leave it at the door and not infect it? Its a single body, not a grouping... Your answers have just as many holes as mine. Thus is the nature of retcons
He was immune to the flood even the elite was with the exploded chest so if Master Chief got that elite or Jenkins to a ship and back to unse the flood will probably not be a threat
@@boggart159 Jenkins was infected but the 10,000 year old infection form was quote from The Flood “old” and it did something wrong so he stayed sentient
It may have been part of the Flood's larger strategy. Even in the feral stage the Flood are not just a mob of zombies, they think and plan for the long game. A theory I've seen is that the Flood was actively trying to bait reinforcements and rescue parties into an ambush to acquire more hosts, which is why they didn't immediately attack when observing you outside the facility. Leaving bodies and survivors may have been done to deceive rescuers into a false sense of urgency, which creates conditions for mistakes and greater success in their ambush.
In my mind he always was. Flood spores take a little while till they build a big enough colony to really manipulate your biomass. And there were spores galore stored on the ring 🤷♂️
theres a whole storyline about a flood infection form that was extremely weak and only partially infected a marine and from what I remember, a group of odst’s captured him and interrogated him. They took him with them to the truth and reconciliation. They planed on flying the ship back to earth so they could survive but the infected marine knew this and tried to warm them. (Since this would most likely result in the infection and destruction of earth) One odst understood and stopped the others from going back to earth. I cant remember if the odst’s attempt to escape was a selfish or noble act.
Bro the most terrifying part about the flood in halo 3 is when you see the marine going insane because he had to kill his infected squad mates after seeing them get infected
Basically, theres a specific amount of willpower people are capable of achieving that can make them immune. Same reason seargent johnson is immune too. chief’s mass amounts of body modification also helps him out a lot
This is P.F.C. Manuel Mendoza, UNSC Marine Corps. Rest assured, he gets reanimated: "A few hours after infection, John-117 found Mendoza in the structure and attempted to communicate with the Marine, unaware that his consciousness had already been taken over by the Pod infector, as John-117 hadn't seen a human Flood combat form until then. The infected Mendoza attacked the Spartan and took three entire shells from the Master Chief's Shotgun to halt him, with the results both "spectacular and disgusting". As the corpse-like horror came apart, the Spartan saw that one of the small, spherical creatures had taken up residence inside the Marine's chest cavity and seemed to have extended its tentacles into other parts of what used to be Mendoza's body" -- Halo: The Flood, pg. 224
Thats jenkins, he actually revived as a flood infected with half-control since the infection on his body was weak, he died after stopping a flood infected ship from flying by detonating it
It went from a war game to a survival game, and when your playing you don’t realize that the last humans you see, you Abandon them while going with spark
He was apart of the Spartan 1 program which enhanced his body physically including his spine to the point where it was nearly impossible for the flood to tap into his nervous system which is the way they control the infected host
@@bucktastic0072this basically confirms it as it was confirmed for Johnson it also says theirs 30 something more before it was shut down and he could be one of them because why else would they send him along with other specialized marines with Keyes?
So that was Mendoza, canonically he was infected and was the very first Flood infected marine the Chief encountered. It is unknown why he isn't infected in game. Halo: CE(A) doesn't show it but the Flood shook Chief to his core, I highly recommend reading Halo: The Flood or giving the audiobook a listen.
I think how this went is that they were only taking a necessary few to maybe scout the construct. He's probably loaded with flood spores anyway. I guess it was either to turn his carcass into reserves or use him as biomass for the proto-gravemind.
To clear the record, that body IS Jenkins. The Aniversary version introduced a continuity error by replacing his model with a hat wearing one. If you watch the same cutscene in the Original graphics, you'll see that he is wearing a helmet like he is supposed to be. Which, making changes that hurt the overall experience is a common problem with Aniversary in general tbh. This level particularly suffers due to the bright textures of the "remaster" ruining what is supposed to be a shadowy, dark level. Utterly kills the suspense and build up. Another rather halarious example is in the Library where they added fake walls to a bunch of the level geometry out of what i can only assume to be laziness. Anyways, although Jenkins doesn't look infected here, that's actually a lie. He IS infected, but the one that got him was sleepy and weakened from mellinia of hibernation, so the infection prossess is taking a LOT longer than the near instant it should be. He later wakes up, fully infected, and does some stuff before dying when the Truth and Reconciliation explodes near the end of the book.
Later in the campaign (I believe on keyes) cortana makes notes of piles of bodies in the corners of the covenant ship, the flood are in a stage of "feral" for lack of a better term, they have no grave mind controlling them yet necessarily, while there are some combat forms they collect any form of biomass to turn into a grave mind once enough has been collected, he was probably the start of a collection. The marines and elites etc. That ate combat forms were likely killed by being infected or inhaling spores rather than reanimated God I'm such a nerd
Yes, but why wasn’t he stacked up with other bodies and just left, sometimes things are just misplaced and they didnt think this part through. I think was dramatics for the scene. I do like that in Keyes where she says that
I think the Flood literally just wanted to scare chief. That, or they sense him coming, backed off knowing he's different from normal humans, even from that guy, and just sort of watched him until they jumped out.
Most likely, after reading the books, he either died beforehand, or the Flood left him as a trap. The Flood, even when starting to make a proto-gravemind, is quite intelligent. It might have left the marine there so Chief would be distracted, giving the Flood time to gather more biomass and regroup to ambush the Master Chief Petty Officer 117.
Scare factor. When the flood was first introduced in the first Halo, the devs wanted a good build up of discomfort and paranoia. Hell, the Flood is also cunning. They probably used them as bait.
In the novel The Flood it's not elaborated why this particular Marine is left intact. At the end of the level the Library, there is a dead Marine on the floor, in the novel it's shown that he's literally so mutilated from fighting thru the Library that even the Flood couldn't use his biomass. Old fluff, but fluff nonetheless. Also, P.S: the Marine in question for this video is NOT Jenkins.
I always thought he ran up to the door. Couldn't figure out how to open it and then like shot himself or passed out from fear. Once he realized she forgot how to open the door I'm going to keep open the door. He's still just completely f****** out
I liked the story when it was from Halo CE and nothing else. I liked it better when The Flood were just some horrific species from some dark corner of the universe, and the Forerunners were just some ancient extinct species. It was better when it had some mystery about it.
Flood had no gravemind at this point (I guess halo 2s gravemind wasn’t able to feed information to the flood on installation 04.) but they tried to make on later in Keyes
In the Halo novel, The Flood, Jenkins is reanimated, captured by UNSC forces and questioned. Some idiot major thinks Jenkins can be cured, or at least vivisected for study. Jenkins has just enough of his mind intact to try and communicate, but goes ignored. When the major has the Pillar of Autumn's survivors take over the Covenant ship Truth and Reconciliation, Jenkins tries to smash a control conduit to crash the ship, knowing thst the Flood onboard can wipe out Earth. A lieutenant takes a grenadenand blows up the conduit, killing the Pillar of Autumn survivors, but saving Earth from a massive flood infestation.
If you think about it, idk how much lore you know with the flood. Technically this is the first encounter with humans for the flood since rings got activated. Humans are not as evolved as they were during human forerunner war. The flood consumes all memories/knowlege, they don’t reanimate dead. That’s why in the video log with keys he’s repeating his serial number as the gravemind is getting tactical information on everything, piloting, maps, location, defense and weapons. He was repeating that number to prevent knowledge going to the enemy
@@bucktastic0072 yeah which is more than likely what happened to keys since out of the survivors of pillar of autumn he had the most knowledge of humanity
I always believed that they have the choice, and the flood as a hive mind is a bit of a drama queen. There's also the fact that some people's immune systems have enough of a resistance that even if they do get infected there's a chance that they won't turn so long as they survive, or so long as the flood is not the thing that kills them.
this is the beginnings of a flood outbreak. the feral stage. they arent coordinated, they just attack anything that moves, all theyre focused on is infection. its very random, but one of the things they are also searching for while spreading the infection is to locate a suitable host for their gravemind. in combat evolved, it was captain keyes, who fought the flood pretty much until the chief finds him and kills him, taking his neural lace. it does slow down their progress, but they seem to have already found another host for their proto gravemind. in halo 2, theyre at the end of the coordinated stage. theyre able to pump supercells into the atmosphere, breathing the flood contaminated air is supposed to be instant flood transformation. they no longer need the biomass, they are highly intelligent, using the gravemind to coordinate their attacks and can create their own forms. we see that in halo 3. however, during the great schism, the flood manages to commandeer the In Amber Clad and crashes it into high charity, where they quickly and effectively take over in just a few hours. this is when they reach the interstellar stage. they can travel to other planets and infect them too. after that, is the trans galactic stage. which has not been seen in modern halo. the scary thing is that there could be hundreds of galaxies that have been completely consumed by the flood, yet they avoid revealing themselves at this stage. its intentional. once theyre at the trans galactic stage, they have access to much faster means of travel
Great write up, nailed everything. For me, I hate to Pure forms in Halo3 just a pain to kill? I really didn’t see much in Halo wars 2 but were they able to get a new proto gravemind in awakening the nightmare?
@@bucktastic0072 I don't quite remember those events, mainly because I don't play Halo wars. However, I think that because of how advanced the flood was at the time we fired installation 04-B (the new ring at the end of halo 3) they must've gone into a hibernation state. I don't know if we have anything on this yet, because the only other flood gravemind that may have survived, only in consciousness mind you, but we don't know. It became a gravemind. We know that. It may have been the same gravemind we face in halo 2 and 3. It's hard to say
A little late, but in the lore the ancient humans attempted to genetically modify their population to be flood resistant. I cant remember how well it worked, but some of the population they modified might have been indexed by the librarian. If so when the universe was reseeded humans with flood resistance may have still existed and passed on the trait. Possible theory only.
@bucktastic0072 it was not. Keeping the lore straight is the single thing 343 has done well. At the games creation, I'm sure it was simply a way to make the scene more scary and mysterious. However, now, we have the gift of hindsight and new lore to show it is a possible explanation.
So in Halo Lore, there are some humans who are naturally more resistant to the flood and in this case, this marine just so happens to be one of the rare few who is more resistant.
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All the people thinking this is Jenkins, it’s not. You see a marine with a boonie run away in the video that Chief watches from Jenkins helmet. Jenkins is infected and gone. This is a different marine. Play the game again or look up the video itself.
That is correct, Jenkins still had control of his body at times and was in terrible pain and was able to warn survivors about a flood attack coming if I remember correctly
@@bucktastic0072 yes because after intense pain the flood would hibernate for a short time because it wasn’t at full strength. Like with Keys who was still fighting a proto-gravemind.
@@Godofchaosdragons yup
@@bucktastic0072 think you can pin the comment for the idiots who think it’s Jenkins.
@@Godofchaosdragons ya np
At this point the flood is still kinda waking up honestly. They've been asleep for about 100,000 years. Let em have their coffee first, then the nightmare can begin.
The original waking the nightmare
They also probably left that corpse to intentionally intimidate chief
@@DigitalNewt not intelligent enough for that yet. Keep in mind they don't reach the coordinated phase until a proto-Gravemind is formed, they're still feral and weak after 100,000 year nap. Look at Jenkins, the Flood that infected him couldn't even infect him properly due to being so old and weak.
Flood: Aight...I'll be there in a sec!
@@roomyplayz101 5 more minutes of sleep please
More dramatic to pick up a dead marine than a dead blob also shows that chief actually cares about the fallen marine
I seen it kinda as a drama/suspense thing for the game
It may have sold the sense if mabye a short sec after you enter the room you get jumped starting with that marine like it try’s to attack from behind but chief kills it with gun fire
@@kingstrojek9937That would've downplayed the whole recording
@@randombrickfilms1253 I mean to me personally I think it could que into the danger of what the flood could be and that they can think but that’s just me
And plus who knows a infected shoilder might of shot the running soilder and cause his to die while running from shock. Idk lol my guess and yes 100% on this comment agree very much 😊
Bro faked his death so he could run before Chief started shooting up the place lol
😅
That would explain why the door locked behind Chief.
He has a heart beat sensor he was dead
@@Thomas-ri6rbhe was joking he wasn’t fr
Yea, this is the infamous Dustin Echoes
Flood Infection: "Oh, we forgot about him."
Oops, that one our bad
@@sfodneptune6887 half the people saying it’s Jenkins and half say it isn’t, this was obviously a joke so why correct
@@sfodneptune6887 f is ur problem? It's a goddamn joke.
@@dairydregone7146 some people have problems it’s ok
I think when you go back the bodies gone, he still turns all the same
Ya they are all gone, idk if just error on the game or they turn
@201111chris possibly
That’s probably just the game going through a loading point
He was infected but unconscious. He revived a few hours later, but managed to partially control himself
Idk if that’s Jenkins, I can’t find anywhere online who it is
Your talking about Jenkins, the marine that chief is holding is mendoza he's the one who tried to leave the platoon behind
Your thinking of jenkins who was already infected st this point and running with a horde of flood towards where the marines are stationed at alpha point.
This is not jenkins
@@JohnSheppard105 yes, was jenkins able to understand what the flood were doing, was he able to get their thoughts as well
@@bucktastic0072 not ao much get into the floods collective thoughts,but he could feel their hunger and desire to infect,and at certain times knew what it was doing or about to do ,in regards to attacks and whatnot.
This is what actually happens in the book
Jenkins is not dead and is infected, but the infection form is old and obly works half way. He wanders ariund and encounters a group of odsts who he tries to kill due to the forms control. He manages to lead them to the long night of solace and srop thr flood from escaping trh ring on it and dies in the explosion
Yes, I knew about Jenkins but that isn’t Jenkins
@@bucktastic0072 oh my bad I thought it was
The Long Night of Solace is the Supercarrier from Reach, you're thinking of The Truth and Recelation
@@bucktastic0072that is Jenkins just his body In the new graphics
@@FTSARES18 Is it, most comments say it isn’t
Wouldn’t surprise me if the Flood placed the body there just to give the Chief a cheeky screamer
Idk, too much lore change in the beginning
@@bucktastic0072 wdym?
@@hunterh1175 well as the games went on they changed it, as in the dead bodies could be infected. Whatever helped make the story and gameplay better they would make changes
@@bucktastic0072idk what lore changes you're speaking of but going as far back the novels the flood HAVE been able to take over BOTH living and dead they just prefer them alive to dig into their minds for key information. This would be like pointing out in this game they were more than waking up;the flood didn't have a gravemind to lead them more effectively and the one they did have was with an unwilling host who held out until chief killed both him and he gravemind which assimilated. Only real changes they made were in that LIVING people didn't often die when infected by the flood they keep em alive until there's no longer any use meaning in the games we wouldn't have been hearing *just* the sounds the flood made but theirs hosts ACTIVELY asking to put outta their misery.
Now I won't assume much but I will say you should go into detail what was changed overall because I don't recall beyond what i mentioned anyway that they did further lore tweaks.
@@Grukgrimskull they changed stuff from halo CE to halo 2 to halo 3 just to go with the story.
Would be crazy playing the game and hearing a flood say kill me while shooting at you
I like how chief is just moving bro around like he is a small child 😂
Like a toddler with a doll
We forget that chief can flip a scorpion tank make a phantom kamikaze switch course by punching it he's Hulkishly strong without the armor he'd probably outdo captain America
@@BESTMOAD in game technically odst can flip a tank
@@BESTMOAD he can technically flip a mammoth
Yea the ragdoll affects look awful In the remastered, but it looks better in the original version
It's simple he's a boss....a dead boss
Idk if we even get his name
@@bucktastic0072I believe it was private Mendoza but I could be wrong. Side note if anyone says it was Jenkins they’re wrong the halo novel The Flood tells his story
@@Detonate_Gaming ya, I know it wasn’t Jenkins and I thought Mendoza made it out the door
I like how the anniversary made completely new animations for the cutscenes
They changed music in H2A, I was toggling back and forth after someone told me.
I like how chief just carries him like a sack of potatoes
Like nothing
I mean he can flip a tank by himself carrying a human wouldn't be a problem
@@Countryhuman-A.H.E-oh wait that’s true!😭😭
Think it was a case similar to johnson who had a health problem that made it harder to infect the body dont think he was part of the spartan 1 program tho
We will need someone with more lore expertise to give us a the correct answer if there is one
@@bucktastic0072not sure about this specific marine but I can tell you the lore reason Johnson wasn’t infected. Johnson had been receiving medical treatments for injuries he got from using an entire crate of plasma grenades. The burns and radiation from the grenades messed with his immune system and internal organs and he quit the treatment half way through so he could get back into the fight against the covenant. The mixture of the damage form the plasma and the incomplete treatment basically made his body to confusing for the flood to assimilate. That being said I have no idea how he escaped when the flood could have just killed him.
@@IHappyDays wrong, thats the cover story they came up with. Johnson is resistant (not immune) to infection due to the toll his Spartan 1 augmentations took on his body. The flood need more time to infect him because his body isnt normal.
@@KittysInu Halsey said he had Borden’s disease from the radiation. The reason he made it out of the installation was because he was in the Orion project but thats not why the flood didn’t infect him. It wasn’t a cover story, she examined him and that what she figured out. She chose not to inform oni becuase they would have experimented on him. Nothing I’m seeing says the Orion project is the reason for his resistance
@@KittysInu and I never said he was immune I said immune system
Because in halo, a part of the flood story is that some people are not infectible so they can only kill them and not infect them. It’s something I still have no idea about, but my dad told me and he’s a huge halo fan.
Imagine being unworthy not even a disgusting parasite would take over your body 😂
It ain't about infecting, it's about sending a message
😂
"Sometimes, it's about sending a message."
I guess the flood were like a dog chasing a car
I would almost say they left him to send a message since they have proven to be an intelligent hive mind
At this time though they were not intelligent, only on the feral stage, which makes no sense, since there was a gravemind on delta halo.
I like the detail where he clears his back again. Good sense for combat AND movie tropes where things normally attack you when things like this happen haha.
Yes, did a quick 360
They collect bodies to use their biomass for later. This marine was probably one of the few they kept for that reason. After all, it wasn't long before the master chief showed up and there were plenty of covenant troops to choose from for better combat forms as well.
It takes halfway through the level when the flood have guns to see human forms
If your looking for plot holes earlier in the mission the crazed marine with the pistol says he played dead to escape the flood
Ya, someone said they made new lore as the games on went on making it confusing
@@bucktastic0072 to be fair it came out in 2001 so the lore wasn’t hammered out yet
@@Detonate_Gaming yes, became a bigger hit of a game than they were expecting and just made changes that made the game better
I’d like to think mental health plays a factor when a hive mind is picking combat forms from its prey population. “Nahhh, he’s all gross and chicken sh1t, just leave ‘em”
@@williamhall6651 ewww crapped his pants let’s move on
I mean other than the fact that apparently he was canonically infected, y’all seem to forget the flood pick up guns and shoot people
Well they do that don’t they
This isnt jenkins
@@JohnSheppard105 this comment has nothing to do with Jenkins, but like 40 others do lol
@@bucktastic0072 fr why am i catching strays
@@justkeepmiffing I’m not sure
Idk but this was the first ever character to introduce ragdoll physics
Lol
The way chief spins around with the marine like he's stuffed full of fluff 😂
Sack of potatoes
@@bucktastic0072 hahahaha
Chief is able to flip over a Warthog without a problem so carrying a Marine wouldn’t be a problem
@@SteelReaper4450 he can flip a scorpion no problem
@@bucktastic0072 Fr, maybe a Pelican
I’m guessing this was just to had some suspense and drama or maybe the cannon changed later on
Yes it was to show suspense before revealing the new enemy of the video game.
The flood is but a part of the hivemind..the hivemind controls, so it already knew MC would find him, so hes really a welcoming "gift" to the MC
Did they have the gravemind to start being a hivemind
mendoza was a spartan 1 with borens syndrome - it isn't immunity to the flood but it makes you undesirable to infection forms for some strange reason; probably the main reason johnson was able to escape the facility in the first place since in the halo graphic novel it showed that he only fought combat forms on his way out.
Mendoza looked a little young to be a spartan 1
@@bucktastic0072 ya
He had the strongest armour known to the universe.. a plot armour.
Can’t beat plot armor
Not true in one of the books he was almost infected by a flood form that jumped on his back with a wrench then smashed his visor proceeding to send the tendrils into John 117s back through his visor all why John is screaming in pain and cortana used his suits MJOLNIR armor to create a electrical discharge which didn't harm John but did harm the infection form making it pop my source halo the flood by William c dietz
"This one's too close to the door brah, I better not burrow through his spine tryna get in my new meat mech"
Brah no way brah
@@bucktastic0072"I got an idea brah, we'll wait till that floating ball thing comes in and get in that cozy chesticle when he falls over"
@@grimmik345 brah that light bulb flies
The fact we see explosions and the covenant running away from it on the walk into this place I’ve always assumed this JUST happened before we got there.
Ya the outbreak was just happened
Lore wise as a halo nerd myself. He smoked so much the flood didn’t want to infect him
So smoking saves lives, the FDA lied 🙀
It is theorized that he was actually immune to the flood which in lore does happen from time to time
I guess it’s possible
Any kind of immunity got retconned out by Bungie almost immediately
@@mekboy7403 just some are harder to infect than others
Too damaged to be useful, maybe?
Maybe, but I know in halo 3 after you deactivate the ark, the flood reanimated the dead brutes you killed going there
It explains in the flood book
@@mikeoshea9869 so much extra lore explained in the books, I need to read them
The insane marine survived by playing dead. I imagine the flood hadn't evolved enough to consume dead bodies yet until halo 3. Since in halo 2 the flood never consumed the marine corpses in Sacred Icon.
@@NovaProspekt19 could be good reason why
I would say that even at their feral stage, the Flood is smart enough to remembered to leave bodies to act as bait for more hosts. So they thought "leave at least one fresh meat for more"
Possible
@bucktastic0072 heh, it is hard to say since the only time we saw the Flood is via the books. We still see running zombies via the games.
mendoza has borens syndrome which makes him undesirable to flood infection forms, that's why he was killed but left uninfected.
Looks like this marine could’ve ran away from the battle with wounds and managed to kill anything chasing him, then succumbed to said wounds. That’s the only thing I can think of
Possible
There are 2 seperate explanations, one is no fun IRL stuff and the other is a roughly pieced together fan theory the community came up with to explain it.
The IRL explanation is that Bungie had nothing planned for Halo 2 or 3. They had no idea where they were going to go with the flood, covenant, or anything because they didnt even know if the game was gonna get a sequel. At the time, flood only did live hosts. Even the marine with the pistol says he played dead to survive. When Halo 2 got greenlit, someone apparently said "hey, know what would be cool? If the flood could reanimate all the bodies in game." And everyone cheered and said "do it!"
Bungies philosophy for the Halo trilogy was "If its cool we're gonna do it, continuity and lore comes second." They were more worried about us having fun than anything else.
The in lore fan theory/explanation is that the flood were using that facility to ambush and infect more hosts before they attempted to escape the ring. Either through the protogravemind they were making or the gravemind on Halo 2 influencing them, they had enough intelligence to know they needed more numbers before starting a full outbreak. So they left some survivors and bodies as bait for others to come. When the covenant or UNSC attempts a rescue, the flood could ambush them.
The fan theory doesnt really fit with typical flood behavior, and the Flood on CE were still in the late Feral stage at this point. But like i said the real reason is Bungie wanted to make the flood cooler in Halo 2 than they were in CE. So there are a few points in the games where you have to fill the gaps in yourself and some retcons you have to accept for a better gaming experience
The response I was looking for, thank you.
That doesn't make sense though because even in the game as your progress through 343 Guilty Spark you see evidence that they're collecting dead bodies. There's a whole elevator caked in Grunt Blood and you didn't make that happen. What's likely is he managed to somehow seal himself in the room, or he literally just died as chief opened the door, because bodies don't just stay standing up.
@@sorrenblitz805 the bodies show up when you go deeper into the installation, the only ones you see going in are a few in the hallways and one big group in a room that is barricaded, which looked like it couldve been just a last stand that failed. Couldve been the captain's group every time.
You see all the rest when the flood spring their ambush.
But again, there is no real reason. Its fans trying to explain away one of Bungies changes to the flood because no other real explanation exists.
Howd they get the bodies out of the locked room then propped him up on the locked door? Who locked the door? Couldnt be mendoza, cause the flood removed the captains body after the ambush.
There are a bunch of theories, thats the simplest and easiest one to accept. If you dig too deeply, youre always gonna find an inconsistency. And youre never gonna get a real answer.
@@sorrenblitz805 as far as your theory goes, what killed him if he just died? No flood are loose in the room when Chief enters. Theyre all locked in side rooms waiting.
If he sealed himself in the room earlier than that, then why didnt the flood attack him like they did the Captains group, and later Chief?
Why didnt they immediately take his body, why leave it at the door and not infect it? Its a single body, not a grouping...
Your answers have just as many holes as mine. Thus is the nature of retcons
He was immune to the flood even the elite was with the exploded chest so if Master Chief got that elite or Jenkins to a ship and back to unse the flood will probably not be a threat
Ok makes sense
No he wasn't?
Jenkins was infected you find out what actually happens to him in the book
@@boggart159 ya, Jenkins was like partially infected but could still take control of his body and functions
@@boggart159 Jenkins was infected but the 10,000 year old infection form was quote from The Flood “old” and it did something wrong so he stayed sentient
Probably did the “worst way to go out” or they left that corpse for the element of surprise
I think dramatics for the scene after seeing what most comments were
It may have been part of the Flood's larger strategy. Even in the feral stage the Flood are not just a mob of zombies, they think and plan for the long game. A theory I've seen is that the Flood was actively trying to bait reinforcements and rescue parties into an ambush to acquire more hosts, which is why they didn't immediately attack when observing you outside the facility. Leaving bodies and survivors may have been done to deceive rescuers into a false sense of urgency, which creates conditions for mistakes and greater success in their ambush.
That sounds plausible
In my mind he always was. Flood spores take a little while till they build a big enough colony to really manipulate your biomass. And there were spores galore stored on the ring 🤷♂️
Idk if flood spores exist yet in the lore
@@bucktastic0072 the lore may not have been that thought out back at combat evolves inception.. But it didn’t take long for it to be 👉
@@____REDACTED____ that is true
theres a whole storyline about a flood infection form that was extremely weak and only partially infected a marine and from what I remember, a group of odst’s captured him and interrogated him. They took him with them to the truth and reconciliation. They planed on flying the ship back to earth so they could survive but the infected marine knew this and tried to warm them. (Since this would most likely result in the infection and destruction of earth) One odst understood and stopped the others from going back to earth. I cant remember if the odst’s attempt to escape was a selfish or noble act.
That was Jenkins, this body isn’t Jenkins I think this one is more for dramatic scene than anything else, could have been Mendoza
Bro the most terrifying part about the flood in halo 3 is when you see the marine going insane because he had to kill his infected squad mates after seeing them get infected
The halo 3 flood are perfect
Basically, theres a specific amount of willpower people are capable of achieving that can make them immune. Same reason seargent johnson is immune too. chief’s mass amounts of body modification also helps him out a lot
Johnson had body modifications as well
@@bucktastic0072 oh yeah i forgot lol
I think it's just funny his body's flopping everywhere
Chief did a bad job protecting his head and neck
This is P.F.C. Manuel Mendoza, UNSC Marine Corps. Rest assured, he gets reanimated:
"A few hours after infection, John-117 found Mendoza in the structure and attempted to communicate with the Marine, unaware that his consciousness had already been taken over by the Pod infector, as John-117 hadn't seen a human Flood combat form until then. The infected Mendoza attacked the Spartan and took three entire shells from the Master Chief's Shotgun to halt him, with the results both "spectacular and disgusting". As the corpse-like horror came apart, the Spartan saw that one of the small, spherical creatures had taken up residence inside the Marine's chest cavity and seemed to have extended its tentacles into other parts of what used to be Mendoza's body"
-- Halo: The Flood, pg. 224
O ok
Thats jenkins, he actually revived as a flood infected with half-control since the infection on his body was weak, he died after stopping a flood infected ship from flying by detonating it
Most say it isn’t Jenkins
I remember my first time ever playing halo CE… nothing would have ever prepared me for this mission. Scariest thing I ever experienced as a kid.
It went from a war game to a survival game, and when your playing you don’t realize that the last humans you see, you Abandon them while going with spark
He was apart of the Spartan 1 program which enhanced his body physically including his spine to the point where it was nearly impossible for the flood to tap into his nervous system which is the way they control the infected host
That was Johnson, we don’t know this guy
@@bucktastic0072this basically confirms it as it was confirmed for Johnson it also says theirs 30 something more before it was shut down and he could be one of them because why else would they send him along with other specialized marines with Keyes?
@@momhuanosto463 but was he with Johnson’s team or Keyes team? We know they came in separate
@@bucktastic0072 no they're same team. But he was with Keyes if not. As you see in the footage he's the Mexican guy running.
The flood placed the body there to spook the master chief.
A little peak a boo 👻
So that was Mendoza, canonically he was infected and was the very first Flood infected marine the Chief encountered. It is unknown why he isn't infected in game. Halo: CE(A) doesn't show it but the Flood shook Chief to his core, I highly recommend reading Halo: The Flood or giving the audiobook a listen.
Noted thank you
@@bucktastic0072 you're welcome
I thought the flood needed a living host. Unlike a necromorph...
I think in beginning lore they did, but by halo 3 they changed it
He's the only guy in the history of the universe that's immune to the flood
🙀
I think how this went is that they were only taking a necessary few to maybe scout the construct. He's probably loaded with flood spores anyway. I guess it was either to turn his carcass into reserves or use him as biomass for the proto-gravemind.
Probably used for mass
"Thats jerry. we dont like jerry"
😂
Flood has the ability to choose if they want to infect or not.
That’s true, just weird was all
Im pretty sure the flood left him there for Psycological Warfare
🤔
To clear the record, that body IS Jenkins. The Aniversary version introduced a continuity error by replacing his model with a hat wearing one. If you watch the same cutscene in the Original graphics, you'll see that he is wearing a helmet like he is supposed to be. Which, making changes that hurt the overall experience is a common problem with Aniversary in general tbh. This level particularly suffers due to the bright textures of the "remaster" ruining what is supposed to be a shadowy, dark level. Utterly kills the suspense and build up. Another rather halarious example is in the Library where they added fake walls to a bunch of the level geometry out of what i can only assume to be laziness.
Anyways, although Jenkins doesn't look infected here, that's actually a lie. He IS infected, but the one that got him was sleepy and weakened from mellinia of hibernation, so the infection prossess is taking a LOT longer than the near instant it should be. He later wakes up, fully infected, and does some stuff before dying when the Truth and Reconciliation explodes near the end of the book.
The brightness helps me see, only reason I used it
Because the flood infection form said: "If you get infected, you're gay".
First one to move
The suit that the chief is wearing made the body so light i mean look how he swing them legs
Need 1 of them suits
Later in the campaign (I believe on keyes) cortana makes notes of piles of bodies in the corners of the covenant ship, the flood are in a stage of "feral" for lack of a better term, they have no grave mind controlling them yet necessarily, while there are some combat forms they collect any form of biomass to turn into a grave mind once enough has been collected, he was probably the start of a collection.
The marines and elites etc. That ate combat forms were likely killed by being infected or inhaling spores rather than reanimated
God I'm such a nerd
Yes, but why wasn’t he stacked up with other bodies and just left, sometimes things are just misplaced and they didnt think this part through. I think was dramatics for the scene. I do like that in Keyes where she says that
he fought off all the ones that knew where he was
Ooo
Good question, but side note. It’s funny to see the marine flop around in Master Chiefs arms.
Don't forget the flood is actually extremely well organized. This may have been intentional to lure a rescue team into the room.
This was first outbreak, with no gravemind so they were in the feral stage.
@@bucktastic0072 They still had some intelligence because they were trying to repair that one Covenant ship and the Autumn to get off the ring.
@@mekboy7403 I’m guessing the infection forms are able to have some memories from their host
Nah that guy didn't take a shower in like a week, none of the flood spores went near him.
Used a ton of axe body spray
@@bucktastic0072 Fr. It was too strong for them.
@@theCantinafan bro found the spray that was over 500 years old and still smelled horrible
If anyone has read the book first strike Johnson tells chief that the flood went right around him and ignored Johnson like he wasn’t good enough
Wasn’t later said that he was to hard to try and infect so they moved on to easier targets
It's not about the infection, it's about sending a message.
They didn’t light anything on fire though
@@bucktastic0072 true, only brutes practice arson
@@gasmaskwilliam3352 they prefer genocide
His dead body got plot armor.😂
👍
They evolved to do that in halo 3. They couldn’t do that yet.
Pretty sure the lore just wasn’t what they changed it to yet
I really want to say it's for psychological warfare.But I genuinely think bungie didn't think this one through.
Drama for the scene and when they started to make a world decided to add some random lore
Their way of saying we're baaack
Needed the stone cold glass break
Same reason sgt johnson wasnt infected.
He had special body chemistry, where the flood couldnt infect him.
Johnson was experimental augmentations
@@bucktastic0072 nah, it was TOTALY because of Boren Syndrome.
@@Nohhbahdi ahh there we go, that’s what they called it, happy Johnson recovered from that
@@NohhbahdiMaybe Mendoza just had cancer? You know a tumor in his brain or something
I always figured a combat form killed him so he has yet to be taken by an infection form.
🤔
The flood can choose when to start the infection when it's in a host.
Can they?
His blood, like Sgt Johnson
I think the Flood literally just wanted to scare chief. That, or they sense him coming, backed off knowing he's different from normal humans, even from that guy, and just sort of watched him until they jumped out.
Add a little drama to the scene
Most likely, after reading the books, he either died beforehand, or the Flood left him as a trap. The Flood, even when starting to make a proto-gravemind, is quite intelligent. It might have left the marine there so Chief would be distracted, giving the Flood time to gather more biomass and regroup to ambush the Master Chief Petty Officer 117.
I don’t think the flood infected the dead at this point in lore
I love how much the body just Gmod rag dolls
🥰
Scare factor. When the flood was first introduced in the first Halo, the devs wanted a good build up of discomfort and paranoia.
Hell, the Flood is also cunning. They probably used them as bait.
Trap/drama for the scene
Theres actually lore about this guy, he has a very rare genetic code or somthing that basically made him immune to infection
👍
They were focused on attempting to capture the escaping Sergeant Johnson
Was too fast
In the novel The Flood it's not elaborated why this particular Marine is left intact. At the end of the level the Library, there is a dead Marine on the floor, in the novel it's shown that he's literally so mutilated from fighting thru the Library that even the Flood couldn't use his biomass.
Old fluff, but fluff nonetheless. Also, P.S: the Marine in question for this video is NOT Jenkins.
Yes, I think they changed lore or maybe needed a gravemind to bring the dead back
My little therory is that he was a previous spartan like sargent johnson
My theory is that the lore changed after the game was made
I always thought he ran up to the door. Couldn't figure out how to open it and then like shot himself or passed out from fear. Once he realized she forgot how to open the door I'm going to keep open the door. He's still just completely f****** out
There’s also the Marine you find on The Library who wasn’t turned, though that’s mostly cause he was shredded so to speak
The one who spark took before chief to get the index
Spartan suits are completely sealed
Not talking about chief, the body that he grabs I am
The suit its like the hev suit it adminsters any antidote to any poison
Ooooo
Probably to lure someone into investigating which leads to an ambush
I think just dramatic effect
I liked the story when it was from Halo CE and nothing else. I liked it better when The Flood were just some horrific species from some dark corner of the universe, and the Forerunners were just some ancient extinct species. It was better when it had some mystery about it.
I do enjoy mystery
He killed himself and the flood, never had a chance to find his body
Or got shot by his own guys
Everyone forgets the flood is a hive mind they do play games and leave body's to send a message
Just like dead space they do everything for a reason
Flood had no gravemind at this point (I guess halo 2s gravemind wasn’t able to feed information to the flood on installation 04.) but they tried to make on later in Keyes
In the Halo novel, The Flood, Jenkins is reanimated, captured by UNSC forces and questioned. Some idiot major thinks Jenkins can be cured, or at least vivisected for study. Jenkins has just enough of his mind intact to try and communicate, but goes ignored. When the major has the Pillar of Autumn's survivors take over the Covenant ship Truth and Reconciliation, Jenkins tries to smash a control conduit to crash the ship, knowing thst the Flood onboard can wipe out Earth. A lieutenant takes a grenadenand blows up the conduit, killing the Pillar of Autumn survivors, but saving Earth from a massive flood infestation.
Would have been a nice little story to hear in game or they make a proper movie about it
In the lore pretty sure if a body is dead long enough the flood will ignore it cuss they need a work nervous system to control the host
I think the lore changes a little at the beginning
If you think about it, idk how much lore you know with the flood. Technically this is the first encounter with humans for the flood since rings got activated. Humans are not as evolved as they were during human forerunner war. The flood consumes all memories/knowlege, they don’t reanimate dead. That’s why in the video log with keys he’s repeating his serial number as the gravemind is getting tactical information on everything, piloting, maps, location, defense and weapons. He was repeating that number to prevent knowledge going to the enemy
Yes, but I’m pretty sure they need a local gravemind to access all that hive information
@@bucktastic0072 yeah which is more than likely what happened to keys since out of the survivors of pillar of autumn he had the most knowledge of humanity
I always believed that they have the choice, and the flood as a hive mind is a bit of a drama queen.
There's also the fact that some people's immune systems have enough of a resistance that even if they do get infected there's a chance that they won't turn so long as they survive, or so long as the flood is not the thing that kills them.
I think here, it wasn’t a hive mind yet since they had no gravemind to connect them
this is the beginnings of a flood outbreak. the feral stage. they arent coordinated, they just attack anything that moves, all theyre focused on is infection. its very random, but one of the things they are also searching for while spreading the infection is to locate a suitable host for their gravemind. in combat evolved, it was captain keyes, who fought the flood pretty much until the chief finds him and kills him, taking his neural lace. it does slow down their progress, but they seem to have already found another host for their proto gravemind. in halo 2, theyre at the end of the coordinated stage. theyre able to pump supercells into the atmosphere, breathing the flood contaminated air is supposed to be instant flood transformation. they no longer need the biomass, they are highly intelligent, using the gravemind to coordinate their attacks and can create their own forms. we see that in halo 3. however, during the great schism, the flood manages to commandeer the In Amber Clad and crashes it into high charity, where they quickly and effectively take over in just a few hours. this is when they reach the interstellar stage. they can travel to other planets and infect them too. after that, is the trans galactic stage. which has not been seen in modern halo. the scary thing is that there could be hundreds of galaxies that have been completely consumed by the flood, yet they avoid revealing themselves at this stage. its intentional. once theyre at the trans galactic stage, they have access to much faster means of travel
Great write up, nailed everything. For me, I hate to Pure forms in Halo3 just a pain to kill? I really didn’t see much in Halo wars 2 but were they able to get a new proto gravemind in awakening the nightmare?
@@bucktastic0072 I don't quite remember those events, mainly because I don't play Halo wars. However, I think that because of how advanced the flood was at the time we fired installation 04-B (the new ring at the end of halo 3) they must've gone into a hibernation state. I don't know if we have anything on this yet, because the only other flood gravemind that may have survived, only in consciousness mind you, but we don't know. It became a gravemind. We know that. It may have been the same gravemind we face in halo 2 and 3. It's hard to say
@@masterbond9 all scary since they now know the location of earth
@@bucktastic0072 it's even scarier that they're choosing not to go back to earth...
A little late, but in the lore the ancient humans attempted to genetically modify their population to be flood resistant. I cant remember how well it worked, but some of the population they modified might have been indexed by the librarian. If so when the universe was reseeded humans with flood resistance may have still existed and passed on the trait. Possible theory only.
Idk if the lore was there when the game was made
@bucktastic0072 it was not. Keeping the lore straight is the single thing 343 has done well. At the games creation, I'm sure it was simply a way to make the scene more scary and mysterious. However, now, we have the gift of hindsight and new lore to show it is a possible explanation.
The kids say he "hit that skibidi"
Really
His leave didn't get approved so he had to stand post for one of his blacked out drunk fire team member.
Oo shit, or he was forgotten at his post, wait here we will be back in 5 minutes
So in Halo Lore, there are some humans who are naturally more resistant to the flood and in this case, this marine just so happens to be one of the rare few who is more resistant.
Yes, but I don’t think anyone is actually immune
SGT Johnson is another example and it’s because of the augmentations of the Orion Project.
@@E0S1776 yes, but these infection forms were also weak and couldn’t infect him properly, if a strong enough infection form came it probably could
Plot armor during cutscenes.
Ya most likely