I just assembled my XL and very minor issues, about what you experienced. I did end up loctiting the nextrude dock mounting screw in. Other that that it's been fantastic. Even made a print using petg and flex filament in same print. Worked out great. (Door stop)
I was considering Prusa XL but there are a few things I don't like. Marlin is not a fun firmware to customize and the tool changer seems to pretty much lock you to what ever Prusa offers. So I just went pretty blindly forward and ordered RepRap V-Core 4... Remains to be seen how theat goes :) I'll also get IDEX upgrade for it so I'll be able to print two different materials or if I'm printing multiples of the same part, I can be printing two at a time. I brought Prusa MK2S when MK3 was just out and at this point I basically have just some of the hardware and motors left of the original machine. It's also running Reprap firmware now.
It's interesting to see that as a person who prints prototype and functional parts speed and ability to print different plastic types is my main concern and waste is an afterthought, but with a person who prints display pieces is just the opposite.
While I appreciate the video there are a ton of missed opportunities so I will give you some better info. cloud is optional, Lan only/sd/ftp. You have a bunch of printers so print volume in parts produced will be higher. There is no math that will make the XL better against 5 machines if you print similar parts. The XL does not have camera for monitoring, spaghetti detection, printing without a slicer.(yet?) Printing without touching the printer/filament at all with loading, unloading filament automatically. A1 printers with eddy sensors for auto filament calibration. X1C with lidar filament calibration. Faster single filament prints. 16 color options with the x1/p1 printers. As for print waste another channel did the math. One a single X1C it would take hundreds of thousands to over a million filament swaps to get to the break even cost of XL before a single gram of filament is printed. Avg 5 swaps a gram multiplied by 1kr a roll, multiplied by 2500 in filament cost. It's even more stark if you are comparing it against a 5k printer. This is before filament waste mitigations like long retract(50 filament reduction), flush volume adjustments, shrinking prime tower, sacrificial purge part etc. It will take you a LONG time to make up the difference. If we are comparing the rough 4k price of 5 printers vs the 5k difference of 1k for filament the numbers are about 200-500k swaps not including the optional prime tower or other mitigations. The main advantage for the XL is the overall size and filament swap speed. I can see some mistakes in the way you printed the Squirtle. 1. remove the glasses from the bottom and print it separately on another printer. You are adding a bunch of filament swaps for no reason. If black is only for the glasses you are just adding time for little reason. 2. shrink the prime tower, default settings are aggressive and not needed 3.use "long retract" added in june 2024 and reduce flush volumes by at least 30 but I have seen 50-70 % reduction. Bonus print multiple of them on the plate to keep the flush volume the same
You can interpret everything either way. Just so that it supports your own opinion. Just to respond to some of your points. For most people, an X1C will suffice. I doubt that these two printers have the same buyer base. Those who need the XL won't think about an X1C for a minute. The big advantage is not multicolor printing but different materials in one part. If that's what you want, the XL is the choice. If you print very expensive material, the additional waste is soon put into perspective. Can you now update the Bambulab offline via USB? I think there is an area of application for both printers. Which is certainly larger for the Bambulab. But always saying Bambulab is the best is simply not correct. This also applies to Prusas and every other manufacturer.
I wont disagree with your statement. If someone needs a very specific print that only the XL can do they will get an XL. What I found issue with are examples used and the incorrect info given. He glossed over a ton of things and ignored others. He showed multicolor prints that could comfortably fit on 4 of his 5 bambu printers not a single multimaterial print 1.Filament waste can be mitigated and it would take an insane amount of rolls to get to the break even price between a bambu and XL. Even with expensive rolls. You can do the math yourself. avg 2-5 swaps/gram divided by 1000 grams a spool multiplied by your spool cost. 5(or 2) /1000 = 2000-5000 swaps a spool best case scenario with a few tweaks in the slicer Then multiply it by your filament cost. The price difference between a p1s, X1c between his kit out XL is $850 or $1450 vs 5k. that's $4150 or $3550 in filament. Whether it is $10 filament(355-415 rolls) or $100(35-41rolls) filament. So you are dealing with a literal HALF TON of filament waste to get to the break even price. And again that is WASTE not prints. so you are probably printing actual tons of pounds of filament in total. Math is fun. 🤗 2. He thinks the defaults is the only way to print. If you care about waste there are several options not mentioned( or not known). The info I gave is free and now he knows he can save time and filament while becoming more efficient. in the same amount of time he used with defaults I got 3 on the build plate and used less filament. 🤔 If you really want to see some time savings use a single color filament and the bambu printers churn or 3 Squirtle in 12 hours. times 4 printers equal 24 prints a day.Just changing layer height to .24 or ,.28 gets a boost too. The XL can do 3 in 17 hours or 6 in around 35ish hours. After some post processing/painting they will look much better than just using multicolor as you can wipe out layer lines, paint away filament imperfections, make it glossy, matte or change the colors. Primer and spray paint will take minutes and you can batch process them. 3. I never said the Bambu printers are best. They can be better if you utilize the printers advantages. especially with the examples used. The XL may be fine for some large multilateral prints but we were never shown that. 4. You are correct you cannot update a bambu printer offline with a usb as they dont typically have usb ports. You can however update them offline with a microsd card. The X1E and X1C(released aug 2024) can do offline microsd card updates with the p1 and a1 series following soon.
@herr_rossi69 yeah exactly, he left out how reliably a toolchanger can print multi materials as well as EXCESSIVE less waste... all you can really fault is limited colors and in that case why are you buying a toolchanger lmao.
If you are joining the conversation at least be original and bring your 'A' game. Refute my facts with your facts. Show me a higher yield in print times on the XL. show me the benefits of the XL when compared to 4 printers, producing similar items. I have shown you the math and the cost of that "filament savings" and it isn't savings at all, with $10 filament or $100 filament, you will need hundreds of thousands/millions of filament swaps , or printing over a half ton of waste to get to the break even price of a single bambu printer vs XL. So unless you can print for years nonstop swapping colors you wont see that cost savings in the printers lifetime. So do your homework and show me YOUR math. If you have a very specific need to print multi-material there is Idex , XL or custom build.. There were zero examples of multi-material shown. This was 100% color swaps. So if you need a win to feel better then a single XL could beat a single Bambu printer in multi color swap for thousands more. so....YAY!🥳 As long as your dont need up to 16 colors or buy more printers for the $3K price difference. I didnt want to go there but the quality of the prints do not fill me with confidence of the reliability of this tool changer. 6:39 over extrusions all throughout, rough underside(i'll forgive as it was probably printed on supports) but in that case why not use petg as supports for the pla? 9:14 red bleed into white nose area on all 3 diglets No clue how that could happen as it should be a whole different nozzle with its own color. 😉
So just ran a test. I had to change the brown to white as I didnt have 5 colors. X1C I got 3 Squirtle on a bed. print time 2 days 8 hrs the same as your 1. A single print is 1 day 20hrs(may as well print multiple as it only adds a little bit more in time. ) .2mm layer height, 15% infill prime tower 33g shrunk. 20width 10 volume. flushed 270g long retract enabled 50% flush but I could go higher now multiply that by 4 printers. (A1/X1C/P1P and P1S) 3models x 4 printers= 12models every 2 days. Save the mini to print the glasses. which take about 15 min to print separately. or 6 in 2 hrs. You are adding an hour leaving it on the build plate with the rest of the model. Prusa XL 2 days 5 hrs to print 6. so 6 every 2 days. Or you could just print 3 of them unpainted in 12 hrs(X1C) vs 17 hrs for 3 on the XL. or 6 in 35 hrs and post process which arguably will look better depending on your skillset. Like I said there is no math that will beat the volume of 4 printers going at the same time, You are leaving a lot of time, filament and capacity out of the equation. Printing a single multicolor print on a large XL or ignoring the benefits of multiple items on a build plate to spread out the overall filament waste. And lastly it as I stated before 1-3 thousand of dollars in filament waste means you would need to have milliions of filament swaps to reach the break even price of all of your printers vs the XL. 4 k for all of your printers roughly vs 5k for the XL leaving a 1k difference for filament. avg filament purge is .2-.5 grams = 5000 to 2000 swaps a roll. find your cost between 100 $10 rolls or 10*100 rolls.. lower end $10 filament 200,00-500,000 swaps High end $100 filament 20,000-50,000 swaps
And with all your smart "Math" you forgot 2 things: 1 your multiple printers are going to use a lot more power, 2 with all those printers going there is a higher chance of failures on 1 or more. The Prusa also can print things a lot larger. go ahead and print a full set of cosplay armor on 4 X1C's it will take you 2x printing on all of them to do it. The Prusa can do it in half of that
The XL has 3 power supplies you act as if the printer works on magic or zero point energy and doesn't consume power itself. You can run 4 bambu printers on a 15amp circuit. or 6 on a 20amp but lets just say 5, for wiggle room ,on a 20amp as they use a little over 3 amps per printer. The XL 5 head uses 10 amps. so one on a 10 amp and I wouldn't recommend 2 on a 20 amp as you have zero wiggle room if there are power issues or rocking some good UPS devices. I've noticed that you folks need to come up with very niche scenarios or make the XL worth it. I literally went over his example of that Squirtle and he made mention print farms wasting time/money when that couldn't be further from the truth. They arent loading up on XL but they are getting Bambu printers. What's more likely to fail a single printer with 5 heads running around to the model and purge block or 5 printers with 1 print head? What would be more devastating if you have a failed print? The one with all your eggs in 1 basket or the 5 that spreads the risk? Interestingly enough you cant refute the math. multiple 256mm cubed printers will produce more parts than a single printer over time. The print waste is a silly argument because you are spending thousands to save pennies worth of filament. How many folks can burn through hundreds of rolls of filament in a printers LIFETIME? and again that is in WASTE not prints and this is before the XL pushes out a scrap of plastic. As for your random cosplay armor. Your math is completely wrong. 4 X1C, A1s or whatever combination you come up with will produce faster even if you cut up the model. So lets make it simple. 1 there is no way your theoretical cosplay suit will look decent without post processing unless you want to look like a crappy 3d print with layer lines so you can print that with 1 color. as you have to fill it in and paint it anyway. 2. The X1C print faster than the XL with 1 color. I am looking at the speed differences now and you can see it too, now multiply that by 4. For instance that Squirtle in 1 color scaled to 300% takes 4 hours on a bambu printer that same model takes 6 hours on the XL. X1C/p1p/p1s or A1 gets 3 in 12hrs multiply by 4 and you have 12 every 12 hours XL makes 6 in 36 hours..🙄
Excellent cost benefit analysis. I have two X1Cs and 1 A1 Mini, i was thinking of getting the XL to print PA and TPU in one part but might just get the cheaper snapmaker J1 for those occasional parts.
@RoccosStuff but to answer your question. I would say they are equally loud but different. X1c can be quite loud but randomly. Like when it makes a cut or Is printing really fast. The XL is just a constant noise. Nothing really super loud but just constant.
People just dont get prusa and vorons over bamboo. But if you have a print farm, say 20 printers, you print 2500 hours in no time, the bamboo carbon rods need replacing, Well ive heard thats like a complex 6 hour job pert machine. With the voron its literally 2 screws. Same with the prusa. Bamboo are more for home use, i do think people who have print farms with bamboo will eventually regret it when they realise what they have to do when major parts wear out. Pluss dont forget a voron is a printer for life, tyou update with the tech as it comes out, its infinitely upgradable forever.
@@crazykkid2000 did you have high flow profiles for printing from the start as well ? I compared printing time in prusa slicer and Indeed printing time is almost identical.
Bambu is coming out with a tool changer printer. They are trying to take all the business from Prusa, so they will make same/better printer for every model Prusa sells.
Wtf is wrong with the blurr in the right side. On a side note, aside of the large size and the 5 heade, that XL looks like a cheap piece of equipment. The UI alone is awful.
I have to disagree with the waste numbers you suggest. If you spend a short amount of time and effort tuning the purgs and flushing volumes on the Bambu Lab printers your waste can reduce by up to 70%.
@xraylover I completely understand that there are tons of tricks to reduce waste. But this is just a comparison of how they are out of the box. I have gotten the waste down a lot on certain prints but it's very very print dependent on the bambu labs. You can do flush infill, but you need to watch for bleed though on certain prints. You can have flush objects but that just swaps poop for random objects, still uses a ton of filament. I use print a blocks for this. Maybe I'll do a video on what I do to lower waste on the bambus. But at the end of the day, even with all the tricks. The prusa still is way more efficient at mulit color prints.
The main difference is less waste and faster multicolor prints and the less waste and faster multi material prints for like five times the cost because the P1S performs the same as the X1C, it's kind of like healthy food costing more yeah you could be healthy but it's gonna cost you 1/4 of your paycheck or more so that's why most people don't anything that's good for us or cheaper the manufacturer makes it pointless by making it cost more so they just deleted their own advantage which is the stupidest thing you could do imagine the XL cost him like$2000 the thing would fly off the shelves people would be like $1400.00 for the X1C or two grand for the excel the XL would be chosen 99% of the time, Also the SV08 is a fantastic large printer so maybe go do your research before you say there's no good large printers also the printer that the SV08 is based off of is also a good one
People's main gripe is the price, if the XL included the enclosure and 5 filament dryers then I think it would beyond be worth the price. AMS is a kids toy, tool changers with engineer material is a game changer. I'd choose the XL any day.
@@krollmond7544 That's interesting you say that Since the XL does not ship with hardened nozzle or enclosure so you are limited to basic filament like tpu, pla and petg. Before you can think about printing abrasives, you would need hardened nozzles. $50x5 Before you can reliably print heat sensitive material you need an enclosure($650 $100 shipping). The XL isnt even ready to print engineer material until you run a bunch of upgrades. (1k) As for the moisture sensitive filament the Prusa enclosure doesn't cover them so they are absorbing moisture hanging outside the printer... "AMS is a kids toy, tool changers with engineer material is a game changer. I'd choose the XL any day." The irony here is him printing literal kids toys with a 5k printer. 🤣
@baderalafghani4564 it does but just with non rigid and non flexible materials but ur right not on a single tool Xl it doesn't work. The single tool xl is really just a bigger printer with no real advantages. All the advantages of the xl start with 2 tools or more.
@krollmond7544 i think tool chargers are the future. Bambu labs will be moving this way as well. Prusa is just ahead of the curve. I feel like in the next year all you are going to see is AMS printers vs tools changers vs tool changers with ams hooked to the tools to make large color prints even more efficient, and help with true mulit material. I truly believe the advantages are to big to ignore. But there is always still a place for a single head printers. Not all parts benefit from mulit tool. But I see a huge shift in the Industry.
So I had bot the xl and the x1c and both are great printers. I just preferred my xl over my x1c. Great video
I just assembled my XL and very minor issues, about what you experienced.
I did end up loctiting the nextrude dock mounting screw in.
Other that that it's been fantastic.
Even made a print using petg and flex filament in same print.
Worked out great. (Door stop)
@donamills did you run the flex out of a dryer? The blocks the ppfe tube's run through seems to be to stiff for flex
@@crazykkid2000 Yes I did and had no issues.
Nice video. Thanks for sharing your experience.
The single extruder multi material option is for the MK3/4 with MMU.
It might be good to get a 5T XL, but also other printers for making single material items. This way, you have the best of all worlds.
@dfloyd888 that's basically the main take away from this video
I was considering Prusa XL but there are a few things I don't like. Marlin is not a fun firmware to customize and the tool changer seems to pretty much lock you to what ever Prusa offers.
So I just went pretty blindly forward and ordered RepRap V-Core 4... Remains to be seen how theat goes :)
I'll also get IDEX upgrade for it so I'll be able to print two different materials or if I'm printing multiples of the same part, I can be printing two at a time.
I brought Prusa MK2S when MK3 was just out and at this point I basically have just some of the hardware and motors left of the original machine. It's also running Reprap firmware now.
It's interesting to see that as a person who prints prototype and functional parts speed and ability to print different plastic types is my main concern and waste is an afterthought, but with a person who prints display pieces is just the opposite.
While I appreciate the video there are a ton of missed opportunities so I will give you some better info.
cloud is optional, Lan only/sd/ftp. You have a bunch of printers so print volume in parts produced will be higher. There is no math that will make the XL better against 5 machines if you print similar parts.
The XL does not have camera for monitoring, spaghetti detection, printing without a slicer.(yet?) Printing without touching the printer/filament at all with loading, unloading filament automatically. A1 printers with eddy sensors for auto filament calibration. X1C with lidar filament calibration. Faster single filament prints. 16 color options with the x1/p1 printers.
As for print waste another channel did the math. One a single X1C it would take hundreds of thousands to over a million filament swaps to get to the break even cost of XL before a single gram of filament is printed. Avg 5 swaps a gram multiplied by 1kr a roll, multiplied by 2500 in filament cost. It's even more stark if you are comparing it against a 5k printer. This is before filament waste mitigations like long retract(50 filament reduction), flush volume adjustments, shrinking prime tower, sacrificial purge part etc. It will take you a LONG time to make up the difference.
If we are comparing the rough 4k price of 5 printers vs the 5k difference of 1k for filament the numbers are about 200-500k swaps not including the optional prime tower or other mitigations.
The main advantage for the XL is the overall size and filament swap speed. I can see some mistakes in the way you printed the Squirtle.
1. remove the glasses from the bottom and print it separately on another printer. You are adding a bunch of filament swaps for no reason. If black is only for the glasses you are just adding time for little reason.
2. shrink the prime tower, default settings are aggressive and not needed
3.use "long retract" added in june 2024 and reduce flush volumes by at least 30 but I have seen 50-70 % reduction.
Bonus print multiple of them on the plate to keep the flush volume the same
You can interpret everything either way. Just so that it supports your own opinion.
Just to respond to some of your points. For most people, an X1C will suffice.
I doubt that these two printers have the same buyer base.
Those who need the XL won't think about an X1C for a minute.
The big advantage is not multicolor printing but different materials in one part.
If that's what you want, the XL is the choice.
If you print very expensive material, the additional waste is soon put into perspective.
Can you now update the Bambulab offline via USB?
I think there is an area of application for both printers. Which is certainly larger for the Bambulab. But always saying Bambulab is the best is simply not correct.
This also applies to Prusas and every other manufacturer.
I wont disagree with your statement. If someone needs a very specific print that only the XL can do they will get an XL. What I found issue with are examples used and the incorrect info given. He glossed over a ton of things and ignored others. He showed multicolor prints that could comfortably fit on 4 of his 5 bambu printers not a single multimaterial print
1.Filament waste can be mitigated and it would take an insane amount of rolls to get to the break even price between a bambu and XL. Even with expensive rolls. You can do the math yourself.
avg 2-5 swaps/gram divided by
1000 grams a spool
multiplied by your spool cost.
5(or 2) /1000 = 2000-5000 swaps a spool best case scenario with a few tweaks in the slicer
Then multiply it by your filament cost.
The price difference between a p1s, X1c between his kit out XL is $850 or $1450 vs 5k.
that's $4150 or $3550 in filament. Whether it is $10 filament(355-415 rolls) or $100(35-41rolls) filament. So you are dealing with a literal HALF TON of filament waste to get to the break even price. And again that is WASTE not prints. so you are probably printing actual tons of pounds of filament in total.
Math is fun. 🤗
2. He thinks the defaults is the only way to print. If you care about waste there are several options not mentioned( or not known). The info I gave is free and now he knows he can save time and filament while becoming more efficient. in the same amount of time he used with defaults I got 3 on the build plate and used less filament. 🤔
If you really want to see some time savings use a single color filament and the bambu printers churn or 3
Squirtle in 12 hours. times 4 printers equal 24 prints a day.Just changing layer height to .24 or ,.28 gets a boost too.
The XL can do 3 in 17 hours or 6 in around 35ish hours. After some post processing/painting they will look much better than just using multicolor as you can wipe out layer lines, paint away filament imperfections, make it glossy, matte or change the colors. Primer and spray paint will take minutes and you can batch process them.
3. I never said the Bambu printers are best. They can be better if you utilize the printers advantages. especially with the examples used. The XL may be fine for some large multilateral prints but we were never shown that.
4. You are correct you cannot update a bambu printer offline with a usb as they dont typically have usb ports. You can however update them offline with a microsd card. The X1E and X1C(released aug 2024) can do offline microsd card updates with the p1 and a1 series following soon.
Size and filament swap speed is the XL's only advantage? Can already tell you're just a Bambu fanboy lol.
@herr_rossi69 yeah exactly, he left out how reliably a toolchanger can print multi materials as well as EXCESSIVE less waste... all you can really fault is limited colors and in that case why are you buying a toolchanger lmao.
If you are joining the conversation at least be original and bring your 'A' game. Refute my facts with your facts.
Show me a higher yield in print times on the XL. show me the benefits of the XL when compared to 4 printers, producing similar items.
I have shown you the math and the cost of that "filament savings" and it isn't savings at all, with $10 filament or $100 filament, you will need hundreds of thousands/millions of filament swaps , or printing over a half ton of waste to get to the break even price of a single bambu printer vs XL. So unless you can print for years nonstop swapping colors you wont see that cost savings in the printers lifetime. So do your homework and show me YOUR math.
If you have a very specific need to print multi-material there is Idex , XL or custom build.. There were zero examples of multi-material shown. This was 100% color swaps. So if you need a win to feel better then a single XL could beat a single Bambu printer in multi color swap for thousands more. so....YAY!🥳
As long as your dont need up to 16 colors or buy more printers for the $3K price difference.
I didnt want to go there but the quality of the prints do not fill me with confidence of the reliability of this tool changer.
6:39 over extrusions all throughout, rough underside(i'll forgive as it was probably printed on supports) but in that case why not use petg as supports for the pla?
9:14 red bleed into white nose area on all 3 diglets No clue how that could happen as it should be a whole different nozzle with its own color. 😉
So just ran a test. I had to change the brown to white as I didnt have 5 colors.
X1C
I got 3 Squirtle on a bed.
print time 2 days 8 hrs the same as your 1. A single print is 1 day 20hrs(may as well print multiple as it only adds a little bit more in time. )
.2mm layer height, 15% infill
prime tower 33g shrunk. 20width 10 volume.
flushed 270g
long retract enabled
50% flush but I could go higher
now multiply that by 4 printers. (A1/X1C/P1P and P1S) 3models x 4 printers= 12models every 2 days.
Save the mini to print the glasses. which take about 15 min to print separately. or 6 in 2 hrs.
You are adding an hour leaving it on the build plate with the rest of the model.
Prusa XL
2 days 5 hrs to print 6. so 6 every 2 days.
Or you could just print 3 of them unpainted in 12 hrs(X1C) vs 17 hrs for 3 on the XL. or 6 in 35 hrs and post process which arguably will look better depending on your skillset.
Like I said there is no math that will beat the volume of 4 printers going at the same time, You are leaving a lot of time, filament and capacity out of the equation. Printing a single multicolor print on a large XL or ignoring the benefits of multiple items on a build plate to spread out the overall filament waste.
And lastly it as I stated before 1-3 thousand of dollars in filament waste means you would need to have milliions of filament swaps to reach the break even price of all of your printers vs the XL. 4 k for all of your printers roughly vs 5k for the XL leaving a 1k difference for filament.
avg filament purge is .2-.5 grams = 5000 to 2000 swaps a roll.
find your cost between 100 $10 rolls or 10*100 rolls..
lower end $10 filament 200,00-500,000 swaps
High end $100 filament 20,000-50,000 swaps
And with all your smart "Math" you forgot 2 things: 1 your multiple printers are going to use a lot more power, 2 with all those printers going there is a higher chance of failures on 1 or more. The Prusa also can print things a lot larger. go ahead and print a full set of cosplay armor on 4 X1C's it will take you 2x printing on all of them to do it. The Prusa can do it in half of that
The XL has 3 power supplies you act as if the printer works on magic or zero point energy and doesn't consume power itself.
You can run 4 bambu printers on a 15amp circuit. or 6 on a 20amp but lets just say 5, for wiggle room ,on a 20amp as they use a little over 3 amps per printer.
The XL 5 head uses 10 amps. so one on a 10 amp and I wouldn't recommend 2 on a 20 amp as you have zero wiggle room if there are power issues or rocking some good UPS devices.
I've noticed that you folks need to come up with very niche scenarios or make the XL worth it. I literally went over his example of that Squirtle and he made mention print farms wasting time/money when that couldn't be further from the truth. They arent loading up on XL but they are getting Bambu printers.
What's more likely to fail a single printer with 5 heads running around to the model and purge block or 5 printers with 1 print head? What would be more devastating if you have a failed print? The one with all your eggs in 1 basket or the 5 that spreads the risk?
Interestingly enough you cant refute the math. multiple 256mm cubed printers will produce more parts than a single printer over time.
The print waste is a silly argument because you are spending thousands to save pennies worth of filament. How many folks can burn through hundreds of rolls of filament in a printers LIFETIME? and again that is in WASTE not prints and this is before the XL pushes out a scrap of plastic.
As for your random cosplay armor. Your math is completely wrong. 4 X1C, A1s or whatever combination you come up with will produce faster even if you cut up the model.
So lets make it simple.
1 there is no way your theoretical cosplay suit will look decent without post processing unless you want to look like a crappy 3d print with layer lines so you can print that with 1 color. as you have to fill it in and paint it anyway.
2. The X1C print faster than the XL with 1 color. I am looking at the speed differences now and you can see it too, now multiply that by 4.
For instance that Squirtle in 1 color scaled to 300% takes 4 hours on a bambu printer
that same model takes 6 hours on the XL.
X1C/p1p/p1s or A1 gets 3 in 12hrs
multiply by 4 and you have 12 every 12 hours
XL makes 6 in 36 hours..🙄
Excellent cost benefit analysis. I have two X1Cs and 1 A1 Mini, i was thinking of getting the XL to print PA and TPU in one part but might just get the cheaper snapmaker J1 for those occasional parts.
How noisy is the Prusa XL compared to the other printers? I'm SOOOO tempted to get a Prusa XL but noise is a real concern...
@RoccosStuff honestly it's not that loud with the latest update. I actually like the sound of it.
@RoccosStuff but to answer your question. I would say they are equally loud but different. X1c can be quite loud but randomly. Like when it makes a cut or Is printing really fast. The XL is just a constant noise. Nothing really super loud but just constant.
People just dont get prusa and vorons over bamboo. But if you have a print farm, say 20 printers, you print 2500 hours in no time, the bamboo carbon rods need replacing, Well ive heard thats like a complex 6 hour job pert machine. With the voron its literally 2 screws. Same with the prusa. Bamboo are more for home use, i do think people who have print farms with bamboo will eventually regret it when they realise what they have to do when major parts wear out. Pluss dont forget a voron is a printer for life, tyou update with the tech as it comes out, its infinitely upgradable forever.
Uh watch me get a Prusa over a Bambu lol, it's funny when the Bambu children act like they speak for others.
Imagine XL with recent updates MK4s will have.
@michawasiljew6620 I think the xl already has updates, better cooling, and the nexttruder. I think the mk4s came from what they learned on the xl.
@@crazykkid2000 did you have high flow profiles for printing from the start as well ? I compared printing time in prusa slicer and Indeed printing time is almost identical.
The XL has profiles for high flow nozzles now.
Bambu is coming out with a tool changer printer. They are trying to take all the business from Prusa, so they will make same/better printer for every model Prusa sells.
AKA rip off everything Prusa ever did
Most of the negative post are made by bots and people who just hate prusa
I don't see any negative posts.
Wtf is wrong with the blurr in the right side. On a side note, aside of the large size and the 5 heade, that XL looks like a cheap piece of equipment. The UI alone is awful.
Looks like someone wanted to flex $10k in printers. 🤣
I have to disagree with the waste numbers you suggest. If you spend a short amount of time and effort tuning the purgs and flushing volumes on the Bambu Lab printers
your waste can reduce by up to 70%.
Between multiple prints, long retract, shrinking purge tower, changing flush volumes he is missing out on a lot of filament savings.
@xraylover I completely understand that there are tons of tricks to reduce waste. But this is just a comparison of how they are out of the box.
I have gotten the waste down a lot on certain prints but it's very very print dependent on the bambu labs. You can do flush infill, but you need to watch for bleed though on certain prints. You can have flush objects but that just swaps poop for random objects, still uses a ton of filament. I use print a blocks for this. Maybe I'll do a video on what I do to lower waste on the bambus. But at the end of the day, even with all the tricks. The prusa still is way more efficient at mulit color prints.
@@crazykkid2000 fair point. Great content 👌
The main difference is less waste and faster multicolor prints and the less waste and faster multi material prints for like five times the cost because the P1S performs the same as the X1C, it's kind of like healthy food costing more yeah you could be healthy but it's gonna cost you 1/4 of your paycheck or more so that's why most people don't anything that's good for us or cheaper the manufacturer makes it pointless by making it cost more so they just deleted their own advantage which is the stupidest thing you could do imagine the XL cost him like$2000 the thing would fly off the shelves people would be like $1400.00 for the X1C or two grand for the excel the XL would be chosen 99% of the time, Also the SV08 is a fantastic large printer so maybe go do your research before you say there's no good large printers also the printer that the SV08 is based off of is also a good one
People's main gripe is the price, if the XL included the enclosure and 5 filament dryers then I think it would beyond be worth the price. AMS is a kids toy, tool changers with engineer material is a game changer. I'd choose the XL any day.
@@krollmond7544 of course it would be worth it along with the heater and a temperature gauge so you can control the temperature of the chamber
@@krollmond7544 That's interesting you say that Since the XL does not ship with hardened nozzle or enclosure so you are limited to basic filament like tpu, pla and petg.
Before you can think about printing abrasives, you would need hardened nozzles. $50x5
Before you can reliably print heat sensitive material you need an enclosure($650 $100 shipping). The XL isnt even ready to print engineer material until you run a bunch of upgrades. (1k)
As for the moisture sensitive filament the Prusa enclosure doesn't cover them so they are absorbing moisture hanging outside the printer...
"AMS is a kids toy, tool changers with engineer material is a game changer. I'd choose the XL any day."
The irony here is him printing literal kids toys with a 5k printer. 🤣
Actually I am buying the XL for multi material printing not multi color
@@baderalafghani4564 mulit material and mulit color work the same way, the prusa is the way to go for mulit material!
@@crazykkid2000 multi material doesn’t work with single nozzle
@baderalafghani4564 it does but just with non rigid and non flexible materials but ur right not on a single tool Xl it doesn't work. The single tool xl is really just a bigger printer with no real advantages. All the advantages of the xl start with 2 tools or more.
Very different printers, it's a dumb comparison
@krollmond7544 I feel like there are good places for both printers. Definitely not ragging on one or the other.
@crazykkid2000 I know you aren't, just in general I don't know why people compare AMS to toolchangers.
@krollmond7544 i think tool chargers are the future. Bambu labs will be moving this way as well. Prusa is just ahead of the curve. I feel like in the next year all you are going to see is AMS printers vs tools changers vs tool changers with ams hooked to the tools to make large color prints even more efficient, and help with true mulit material.
I truly believe the advantages are to big to ignore.
But there is always still a place for a single head printers. Not all parts benefit from mulit tool. But I see a huge shift in the Industry.
@@crazykkid2000 I hope affordable metal 3D printing becomes more possible next year more than anything.