Inclusivity Culture is Out of CONTROL
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- A girl’s hot take in response to Victoria’s Secret’s “inclusive” rebrand went viral on TikTok this week and solicited some negative reaction videos on the platform. Let’s watch and answer the question of whether inclusivity culture has gone too far.
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Letting a clown move into a castle doesn't make him king. It turns the whole court into a circus.
I love this! It sums up so much in such few words!
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Great analogy 😊
All I can think about when reading your comment is the Biden Administration.
Exactly!!!!
I don’t need to be represented. I represent myself 💁🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Well said!❤
Period✨💅🏾
LOL that sentence made me beam up like an antenna haha I REPRESENT MYSELF! awesome
Hear, hear 👏👏👏
Every people should think that
Y.E.S!
As a 5'6 unathletic Asian man, this video has inspired me to write a letter to the NBA to be more inclusive for those who can't shoot and have bad eyesight. This is sarcasm btw
as i read this i thought, "am i typing this while i read at the same time", because i fit that same demographic...
You can just force them to adjust to court for you and have your ball be loaded with special tech so you can't miss. Remember, if you are incapable of adjusting to the world, all you have to do is force the world to adjust to you.
While you're at it, give the 1% a call. They need to be more inclusive with those billions.
@@thenonexistinghero you right.
😂😂😂
I met a woman in her mid 30's, she was probably 20 pounds overweight compared to healthy weight, and I want to say 5'2". She didn't want to work because she felt like she was entitled (key word there, we hear it a lot from Millennials and Gen Z) to being a professional ballerina who tours the world.
I pointed out that millions of girls around the world start training at a very early age, sometimes as early as even age 3. That they train for years, starve themselves, and even then, only a tiny fraction of them end up BARELY making a subsistence level of income as a ballerina, working themselves into chronic pain and suffering, and their career only lasts a handful of years.
Her response was "you Republicans are ruining the world and need to go." My surprised face (I'm not registered with either of the two parties, I have major issues with both, the parties mind you, not their voters, I get along with most voters).
oh, I hear you. I thought I'm a democrat but then took the test and ended up being more of a centrist conservative. I have huge issues both both far left and far right, but everything in the middle - I am open and happy to debate, laugh, and compromise.
@@sjndfotyes exactly!!
Instead of self reflection, when they cannot come up with a response they will always blame who they consider 'the other side' for their life choices or for things that happened to them.
Has this woman ever danced before in her life? I feel like after a couple dance practices, she wouldn't want to be a ballerina anymore. It is much more demanding than the average office or retail job. She's also ignoring the fact that virtually all ballerinas are retired by her age. Even if hypothetically she had an opportunity to dance with some company (would never happen), does she really think that she would be able to keep doing it into her 40s and 50s? Delusional.
The problem with the conversation you described it that you told her the truth. Some folks can’t handle the truth….correction……most folks these days cannot handle the truth.
As a person with a physical disability, if I listened to the people who told me "you're perfect no matter what, you don't need to work towards anything" I wouldn't be able to walk right now. Humans need something to look up to and try to achieve, there's nothing wrong with always bettering ourselves and improving
kudos to you!👏
That’s incredible! Excellent work. That’s not easy 🏆🏆🏆
When I got disabled at age 27 I was told to just rest bc the doctors did not know what was causing the chronic pain and inflammation. After about a year I decided to go on with my life plans anyway. Was it hard? You bet! Did I quit? No way! You GOTTA keep pushing yourself or you end up with so less
As a person with a physical disability, I never gave up on anything in my life, work, family, children... I have always been in a "achiever" way of life.
BUT, and there is a but, once in while, I could need to hear something like: “ you are perfect just the way you are... " because, it is just exhausting to feel like no matter what you do, you 'll never be "enough", because of your disability!
My brother wouldn't have learned to walk or talk without me pushing him and I regret that. Me pushing him is now labeled abuse and he knows this. He's a terror and is well aware of the line "He didn't know any better he's disabled." He uses to hurt, manipulate and control people. He was allowed to abuse my mother and I almost went to jail for defending her because he's disabled for one of many examples. I hate him and I'm the bad guy because he's worshipped for his disability as many are. This showed me how things go when the norm becomes babying and showed me what privelage looks like.
Humans need push every now and again some more than others. This babying creates spoiled people who will do the worst.
I am very happy your doing so well and I do hope you got a support system though. Keep up the hard work.
To me this is a red flag that our society has serious self esteem issues. If you really get to know yourself and value yourself and accept yourself for what you really are, good and bad, you don't need the world to do it for you.
Agree!
I'd argue that too many people esteem themselves too highly.
Right? I personally have never needed to feel represented (esp in media) bc I know we are all unique, and thats 100% ok! If we all insisted on being represented, there goes the media industry - we're all actors and its all youtube after that!
Our society has shown symptoms of being ill for many decades now 😔
Like over 70 percent of US adults are overweight it’s not getting better
Agree, it's the way they subconsciously mark themselves as being less. "I don't look like you", meaning what, you look bad? What's wrong with how you look? Instant self hatred!!
Being a victim is easier than hard work these days
It's always been easier.. but it's being catered to these days.
Love this comment, soooo true!
They offer oppression politics until they get what they want.
Sad but true.
That's because we did away with shame. We should bring shame back. We should be shaming these people. For their shameful behavior.
I see a lot of beautiful ladies on here talking about how short they are, so I want to share my story. I hit my full height of 5'10 at 12 years old. I was super skinny as well. I spent the next 6 years of middle and highchool being bullied to no end. I was called names like "Viking, Stork, Giant, String Bean, and Amazon Girl." I was lanky and flat chested. Then, when I was around 17, I was told I could be a model several times. My self-esteem was ruined, and I couldn't bear the thought of parading in front of people. I am now almost 40 and still have self-esteem issues. Even those who fit the mold of your typical model are bullied to no end. Just be kind to everyone no matter what.
Inclusivity has gone so far that it’s now impossible for most people to just simply admire and be happy for someone else.
That’s a big problem in society…we simply can’t be happy for someone else. My best friend has a rich husband, big house, kids, expensive cars, etc. I can’t have kids, and am in upper middle class. I’m so happy for her, I love her she’s so kind and generous. I’m just happy that she’s my friend.
@@sandystormable congrats. i hope you get a medal for this selfless act.
Yup. Its out of control
Yeah, it’s very narcissistic.
Because when you can sit on a phone all day and watch people achieve things you can't, or won't do; it's easier to criticise and be nasty than to go outside and improve your own quality of life.
Inclusivity is laziness in a lot of ways "oh I don't want to go and learn a new skill or spend months in the gym, just let me have that prize right now without me having to change a thing about me"
All this inclusivity only LOWERS the standard to mediocrity. Its never RAISES the standard.
Yeah, that's the goal.
@@RamTadka obviously🙂
Ivy League colleges are exclusive and guess what that creates more poverty. Most policies have these ivy people behind them afterall
Lowest common denominator.
Not necessarily, sometimes things were exclusive to exclude certain races or socio-economic groups. I think most would agree for example that the standard of American basketball or baseball was increased after African Americans were no longer discouraged from participating. The standard of soccer in the UK definitely increased when the rules of only amateur participation were relaxed, as this allowed players from poorer backgrounds to participate and not only rich gentlemen. No one would argue against Madame Curie's contribution to science and yet a few decades earlier women could not study in university or obtain a degree
Inclusivity seems to be the new ‘everyone gets a participation trophy’
Exactly and how special are the awards everyone gets automatically?
Certainly was a precursor
These trophies are probably what shaped the current state of mind of the adults that surround us.
Yes. And when everyone gets a trophy the trophy loses value.
Instead of people working harder they rather ask for a raise. No.
If you can't wipe yourself........I'm in. Eh..........gulp
It also becomes dangerous! As a retired paramedic, in the few years before I left, I witnessed trainee paramedics be pushed through their training, regardless of the fact they kept failing all of their assessments, and demonstrated a clear lack of knowledge and skills. Regardless of the fact they were clearly not capable of doing their jobs, they were continuously pushed through until they found ways to ALLOW them to pass. They then go on to work as qualified paramedics, continuously making dangerous mistakes, at times costing people their lives! Seriously, do you really want to put your lives in these peoples hands? I'm sure there are other professions that are dealing with similar issues. It's dangerous, and needs to stop!
About 20 years ago, I worked at a job where I heard two girls discussing how they were going to get fake nursing licenses and "get better jobs as nurses".
“Creating their own hierarchy based on how oppressed they are”. You just summed these people up in that one statement.👏 👏👏
What a delusional world we live in where everything is all about inclusively and feelings 🤦🏾♂
They want to shame everyone into saying they are sexy.
not world, just the english speaking world , aka 3 countries
It's so annoying how much it hinders naturally speech and communication because people have to tip toe around what they say in order not to offend someone who gets offended by pretty much everything.
Another thing is, this whole thing isn't equal, like less than 25% of people, probably way way less, who just so happen to have the loudest voices, they're in control of the media, most popular websites on the internet, etc, are trying to force everyone to care about their feelings, their insights, but they don't do that for other people. An example is Carol wants to talk about her sunflowers but Brenda is triggered by sunflowers because they remind her of the war in Ukraine, and she expects everyone to know that sunflowers are national flower of Ukraine.
Why shouldn't Carol be allowed to talk about her sunflowers? Don't people consider the fact that shaming her like that might hurt her feelings?
If they want to preach about the caring of feelings then they should back it up.
That’s it that’s the key word *delusional
@@mikestauffer7033there’s way more English speaking countries then that 😂
Inclusivity was the motivation behind Syndrome, the bad guy in "The Incredibles", “And when everyone's super, no one will be”
Yes, that movie reference is what I thought too.
This is exactly what Amala was saying 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
Inclusivity is all about a§ laziness and believe they deserve everything.
That's what I was thinking too!
I agree. When I was younger. I really, really wanted to be an NFL player. I was also willing to put in the work. I was at the gym while friends were out partying.
After years of training and tryouts. I had to face the fact that despite really working hard to achieve that goal. The fact was I wasn't fast or quick enough.
Did it hurt not to achieve that goal? Absolutely. How did I react? I chose another career path and still work in that field 30 years later (healthcare).
The reality is that not all of us can do everything. If we could NOTHING would be special.
Similar thing happened to my sister with ballet. She loved it, was great at it, had all the talents. She far surpassed her peers in skill. She was a natural. However, she chose to quit that dream when she was in her mid teens because she realized it wasn’t realistic. Despite all the hard work she did, she had to face the fact that she’d struggle to get any parts, because she was too tall. She wouldn’t be competing with mediocre girls who did ballet as an activity for parts anymore, she’d be competing with other girls on her level and even above who would be more likely to be picked for being shorter. Tall girls don’t do ballet, because tall girls are heavier to lift and thus more strenuous on the bodies of their male dance partners. When you’re looking for shorter women for partner roles, you’re going to build up a catalog of women in that height range, so even when you’re hiring for non-partner roles, you’re going to still look for dancers who will fit in with the line up. Ballet is a sport of conformity. My sister didn’t conform, so she chose to pursue a radically different career path that would allow her to prioritize being a wife and mom.
Funny thing is these babies women didn't do anything to earn where they are they were just like this is discrimination and people let them on
My father was 5'4" tall and for obvious reasons did not excell in sports in school, but he learned to excell in school and became a research scientist. He also enjoyed sports that didn't require height and bulk lol. Everyone can't do everything. You are absolutely right.
But he could buy underwear in his size though…..
@@kristieholidayyou can control your weight most of the time
ever heard of PCOS? this is what happens when uneducted conservative people speak out. Not everything is victim mentality, some people actually struggle and need other people to lift them up. I dont need to see a 6ft bella hadid who has got multiple surgeries to set beauty standards. I need real people and real faces!!
@@_chapternumberone_8782You guys need to stop trying to make it seem like all people have a medical condition in some sort. Yes there are women with PCOS who has a hard time losing weight. But most of the time fat people just have bad eating habits.
@@Maria-ed3jo i am not saying that we need people who live an unhealthy lifestyle to be on vogue. I am just saying that we definitely dont need people who got multiple surgeries done to set beauty standards for the rest of us. Representation does matter and setting unattainable standards is no good for anyone. Just ask the models themselves who set these standards - they are struggling as well!
We have a serious mental health problem going on right now. Pure narcissistic behavior. I'm honestly so sick of it. The whole idea of "Inclusivity" falls on its ass, because by being "Inclusive" you are ironically being exclusive. Some of the people I've related to most are nothing like me. Just because someone isn't a spitting image of you doesn't mean you can't relate to them. Must suck to see the world in black and white. We shouldn't condone an unhealthy lifestyle because "Ma feewings".
Growing up in the early '80s I personally identified with the men in television shows like Sanford and son and 227. I personally identified with older black men. And I was a very young white girl. If you can't see yourself in someone else that's an issue with you not with them. The world doesn't need to change because you're a narcissist.
@@MamaMOB Exactly! This
The fat activists vicariously live through obese models, that’s what I think. They want to be it so bad but are insecure so they would rather have someone else who looks like them be a representative
@@MamaMOBBecause you identified with their character and moral code. Ironically, you actually did what we these 'identity politics' bullies are always telling everyone to do! You didn't care about appearance, you cared about what was on the INSIDE!
You can 100% be inclusive without being a narcissist, narcissists are never inclusive
Inclusivity just translates to "You don't have to make an effort anymore" for the same rewards as someone who worked hard for it.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 EXACTLY!
Yes! The best comment I read today ❤
It equals everyone gets a ribbon in the contest. Because we don't want anyone's feelings to be hurt.
I tried out for cheerleading 4 times and I never made it in the squad. I tried every time, tho I was still friends with the girls who did actually make the team. I wanted to be a cheerleader mainly bcuz I’ve always wanted to learn how to do the splits and be flexible. It’s been 10 years since then and I’ve learned on my own to be more strong & flexible with my body. Looking back I’ve accepted that cheerleading isn’t ment for everyone. And if I did make the squad then I’d probably have an ego about it
This is so true! I’m a professor and I’m so upset that we can’t give honors chords anymore at graduation! I was never the tallest, skinniest, most coordinated, sportiest, but I WAS smart!!! It did not come easily I was not some genius with a eidetic memory, I worked hard!!! With all nighters, missing out on social functions I was a good student. My family was poor and education was my way out! I was so proud of my academic excellence, however students now aren’t even allowed to be celebrated for working harder than other students because, excellence no longer matters!!!🤯😤😩😫 So why even try? I’m not competitive at most things, however I was always an extremely hard worker, it’s sad that we don’t want to honor excellence any longer.
Now we have to say that everyone is as smart as each other 😂 makes no sense. We can't all be perfect beings
It's a shame, I may not be one to watch national spelling bees but I'm glad they exist and happy that people who pursue them can get their recognition. We all have strengths and weaknesses and some of us at times feel it's more of our weaknesses the world 👀. It's almost insane that the "affirmation and celebrate people crowd" are against accomplishment.
Grrrr! I have to hate you for being a hard worker! Lol End of times are coming!
That’s not the case everywhere! Any country doing this is trying to reduce their status
Wow,dude,WHAT?! 😱 All this BS.
I've been saying for a while that the new definition of "inclusivity" just means really low standards
society lowers standards any time we need women to join. now that women have more power than men in this nation, standards are gonna fall off a cliff.
Very smart observation
That's what it's always meant. To be inclusive you have to have the standard set at the lowest possible point because there are certain people who can't beat it. When you're being inclusive look at the weakest link. That's what everyone's expected to be. Equity lowers everyone to the lowest possible standard. Because there are plain and simply some people who can't surpass that standard.
As a tiny person (4’10), I rarely see anyone representing my size. I am not out there complaining and whining. I don’t expect the world to accommodate me. These people shouldn’t either.
Yet they can do something about their weight and not height. I freaking hate this hypocrisy in America
It's fine if you don't care about it, but it's fine to fight for what you want. Just be ready to be told "No" lol
I will watch out for ants when I’m walking from now on. To celebrate and represent you.
I am also hobbit size, 5ft, and I love watching the old VS show. They were like glamazons that wanted to be friends with lol. I wanted to live in the fantasy world that they existed in. Also the shows were high energy and fun. This was some weird art piece that made you scratch your head even afterwards and not in a good way.
As a 5’2” mom to a woman (24) that is 4’7” and 82 lbs I would like to find shirts for her that don’t have characters on them. She’d like to have clothes that look like a grownup would wear.
No, I don’t know how to sew, but will learn because I don’t expect manufacturers to accommodate a very small percentage of need.
Victoria’s Secret models were like the best of the best models. Models that worked their asses off for years to finally get the part, I feel so bad for those girls that worked for years just to be replaced by girl that are there just because they look different from actually talented models. I would be so mad that I worked my entire life to get that Victoria’s Secret model gig and I finally got it and it just have it snatched out from underneath me by someone that’s clearly not anything like an actual Victoria’s Secret model.
This idea makes more sense to me than any other idea. It's not just about being fat like everyone is loving to poke fun at. I feel like it should be about the fact that vs isn't just for any thin model either. VS run ways really have been for the best of the best and should remain that way. Now if they want to sell PS clothing then yea duh that would be smart bc they'll make more money. But u don't have to change the models for that. Honestly if ur that upset about the whole situation (on either side) then they (at VS) have done their job 😁👍😂
I used to get VS things until they decided that woke "angels" were more important than beautiful ones. I want to wear items that make me feel beautiful not politically correct.
Exactly that everyone gets a trophy bs isn’t fair for the models who actually worked hard to be a model as opposed to someone who isn’t putting in the work to be a model
@jennywrenn469 I am the same used to buy from VS all the time now I don't even consider it when looking at buying lingerie. Even when I pass the VS store its always empty now. Go woke go broke I guess.
I'm an artist, but I'm, like a 6/10 as compared to other artists if I'm being generous. If people were OBLIGATED to buy my art for the same price as 10/10 artists I'd have no motivation to improve and I'd start phoning it in with each new piece. I'm GLAD I have something to aspire to, even if it IS unattainable. Our society just wants to be given things with no effort.
Hmmm... an art form that involves phoning it in? I wonder how that would work?
But, there is a possibility for you to improve in art. Practise makes perfect. Plus, everyone's art style is unique. You chose the wrong example, unfortunately.
@@davidanderson_surrey_bclike the "art" nowadays with a banana taped to the wall, idiots will think its artistic.
Fellow artist and graphic designer here, and I can completely see your perspective. Plus how boring would it be to think yAyYy we are all the same? Makes me shudder just thinking about it.
@@plaidy. I hate that crap, I try to appreciate art and talent people put into it, rewarding some of this "modern art" is more a celebration of egotism rather than the talent to convey your vision.
I am a second grade teacher. Our school tries to be inclusive to the point where achievements mean nothing anymore. 🙄
At our Annual Prizegiving, EVERY. SINGLE. LEARNER gets an achievement award, even if they have not achieved anything.
I’ve seen this be so influential on their drive to perform and I believe it is raising egotistical little shits.
Learners who do not try (or aren’t capable) STILL receive academic awards. Even if it’s for “improvement” that measures to a 2% increase in assessments. (Which is nothing)
I do believe in celebrating tiny victories, but allowing learners who do not achieve to feel as if they reached the same level of success as my kids who work their little butts off is just…unfair. It’s so unfair.
I hate it.
This is why I won’t teach elementary school. Bless you for taking it on and may you not get burnout before the tide changes back to rational practices.
I honestly fear for the future. How are these kids supposed to deal with each other without someone over them to break shit up? How are they supposed to deal with each other without someone to decide which person has the most virtue points? How are they going to deal with each other one-on-one without an authority figure. Not to mention the hissy fits they're going to throw when their bosses don't pat them on the back for literally just doing their job. We're already experiencing the last part. Employees who think that they're too good to do the work they agreed to do.
These are the ones who go on to colleges they cannot afford to get degrees that are the least challenging, want superior salaries upon graduation while dictating what they will not do as part of their jobs, think it is unfair to expect them to repay loans they signed for and wonder why they are unemployed living in mom's basement.
learner? you mean a student?
@@agnieszka1175 Learner/Child/Student...you know what I mean. 😅
If you’re non-binary, why bother with a brand that focuses on femininity and the female body?
Inclusivity "culture" in this way is just dressed up jealousy.
I've always noticed it's always the obese and not so good-looking people who are the ones complaining about it too. That's really all you need to know right there lol.
@@trophyscene5015absolute facts really attractive women that aren't models have never had an issue with victoria secret
I've been saying this!!!!! This whole inclusivity in modelling thing is just because some women cannot cope with the fact that some women are objectively hotter than them. I dont want to see myself on the runway. Give us Adriana Lima!
why are those who demand tolerance, so intolerant of others.
@@brusso456That IS.....a good question. And, I haven't heard any of them answer this. We know why, but I'm not sure THEY know, which is the important part.
As a fat woman, I have absolutely no problem with the old Victoria’s Secret.
I loved watching the yearly shows.
They are the Victoria’s Secret angels.
They are not meant to be “attainable“
they are meant to be heavenly bodies beautiful women showing off gorgeous lingerie, wearing angel wingswith fabulous music playing and great special effects or whatever.
The whole aesthetic is what attracts everybody.
If you feel like you’re just looking at a Walmart
runway show wearing Her Way underwear, with some crap pop music playing
it loses ALL of the appeal .
Depending on your bra size, you can get your own Victoria’s Secret bra and panty set. If you don’t feel sexy in that lingerie set, that’s on you. That has nothing to do with the women on the stage for less than an hour.
Nao, the Walmart girls are sexy. What, what, what, what, what did you saaaaaaay?!?!!?! (J-J-J-J-JR) Mmm, whatcha say? Mmm, that you only meant weeelll? Well of course you did. Mmm, watcha say? (Jason Derulo!) Mmm, that it's all for the beeeest? Of course it is! I was so wrong for so long, only tryna please myself! Girl, I was caught up in her lust when I don't really want no one else, so no!
Thank you!
same here plus these models even with their genes worked very hard to keep these bodies. They deserve to be admired for it.
They have plus size lingerie brands. They don't need to ruin their original image by adding plus size "Angels".
I am fat, also, by the way. There are plenty of companies who represent the larger women very well.
There's such a thing as too much free time. Turn off your phones once in a while. Get outside and appreciate nature. Lose yourselves by working hard at something now and then (if not every day). Help a needy neighbor or volunteer in your community. It's important to at least occasionally think of others before yourselves. This narcissistic, label-obsessed culture needs a re‐set button.
Thank you.
PERFECT!!!
Not a single comma or point needed. In fact, this video should be shown everywhere.
I worked for Victoria’s Secret for 5 years. And, yes, I accepted the fact that that it was for a specific “type” of clientele. If you were morbidly obese, our bras were NOT for you. We catered to women who were petite to average and were willing to pay a more premium price even if it meant sometimes sacrificing comfort over sexiness and femininity. I liked watching the fashion shows and I liked the era of the older angels who were often more slender than the average woman but usually more voluptuous than some of the couture models.
These new angels look ridiculous to me. Catering to everyone makes any brand lose its appeal. VS was targeted to a specific type of consumer. That type of logic only works for daily necessities that EVERYONE uses, which often falls in line with services rather than goods. I mean- women shopping at VS wouldn’t be the types you’d see going to Lane Bryant. There is nothing wrong with exclusivity so long as you aren’t bringing others down in the process. And in clothing… it doesn’t make sense for any brand to try to cater to ALL shapes and styles; how could you possibly keep up with the inventory without losing money? You’re selling bras and panties here. Not dealing in pharmaceuticals 🗿
I get exactly what you’re trying to say!
The bit I don’t get from the really loud complainers is: They don’t even seem to want to shop there (1) - And (2) the plus size shops don’t cater my body type at all, sooo why does a brand that is known for petite girls HAVE TO change its entire identity for people that aren’t likely to have historically and/or presently spend money there? (Genuinely, I don’t mind that PS stores don’t cater to me,but the hypocrisy is kinda wild)
Now that I think about it, those models would be considered rare! Most people have average bodies so tall slim women needed they own representation 🤷🏾♀️
I know..why dont these "new" Angels create their own line..exclusively for big girls?..Why do they feel the need to jump in on thin girl things .?..Don't be a thief & steal their limelight why can they not create something that is "exclusive" to the bigger ladies?..Go & get their own ideas don't steal V.S's!...
@@planetChristiethat's why they were labelled "Angels"!..As they were so beautiful..& rare like an Angel!..But nooooo!..We can't have that now can we?...
EXACTLY. Why doesn't Lane Bryant start their own show?
It's not really about being special, it's about being dangerous. I'm 5'7 and while I hit the gym and am pretty strong, I'll never be a firefighter like my dad. Neither will my two brothers who are skinnier than me, there are certain height and strength requirements for a reason. Reducing the standards to become a firefighter (which has happened in Canada) can literally put people in danger. The more industries this "inclusivity" permeates things like beauty and fashion the more it becomes an excuse for health, job standards, etc.
Yes. Minimum requirements where set for a reason. And standards should not be lowered in anything be it safety, sports, beauty, academics, etc just to make certain people feel good about themselves. It's becoming a circus now really.
Thank you, that NEEDED to be said.
The Canadian Armed Forces have also lowered their standards. It is very disturbing.
Imagine a teacher telling her class before giving them a test that they will all get A’s no matter what, because they’re all special and deserve it. NO ONE WOULD TAKE THE TEST!!!!
The teacher isn't even teaching at that point. 😂 Just handing out A's like participation trophies to the students that learn nothing.
Well, they would have to take the test...just no one would need to study for it....
I know and I’m sorry but grown adults should also be against the everyone gets a trophy bs
@@Ty-1452 Wow, I think I would have filed a religious freedom law suit if I had been "forced" to do that.
@@Ty-1452 😂
I think the Victoria secret image of having to be that beautiful feeds a lot of insecurities in younger people. You may be strong in character to know you can be anything but the beauty industry is dangerous for young impressionable and lost young girls. And also makes younger boys expect their partners to look like that
It's not the company's fault that people forget that the whole point of a VS model is that their beauty is unattainable. This still isn't the way to go, it makes them look laughable as a chubby 17 year old who stands at 5'7, and also it absolutely insults their original models who worked hard to be there. If people cannot adjust to the world around them then that is their problem, they shouldn't be catered to and have the other parties (the original VS models) be left empty-handed when they deserve to have their titles.
Yeah I don’t necessarily agree with either side of this argument. Old VS was unhealthy and was at a time where girls grew up with eating disorders and body dysmorphia. We don’t need women heavily sexualized. Today they do it too but now the woman are overweight. Is there no in between?
was young once, was never attractive, never felt sorry for myself or insecure, are you telling me youngsters nowdays are so weak minded? or this is just the case for those in ur county?
Or, how about we actually teach kids to not look to exclusive demographics as a baseline for their own appearances? I grew up with VS being a super popular show, I watched it as a little girl a few times, and I just thought it was a pretty show (though I was pretty uncomfortable with the whole underwear thing, I wasn’t fully aware that it was an underwear brand yet). I never had body issues because some women are super pretty in a specific way. Why is that a problem?
@@Yahsbsuq Exaclty! Most people who are famous are ethier fake( like Kylie Jenner) or sick(anorexic or obese). Healthy is beautiful not changing yourself or hurting yourself.
Jobs have requirements... being an angel for victoria's secret is a JOB.
Previous angels put in the work to obtain and upkeep the physique in order to have that title. Inclusivity makes all of that work obsolete. What a joke..
Exactly.
People seem like they're wanting the world to be: they can come into work, or work from home, play games and watch videos on their phone, while eating coffee and brownies for free that don't get taken out of their checks, which they'll be making $50 an hour on.
What first person doesn’t realize is that Victoria’s Secret become the status they enjoy by coincidence. It was a coordinated marketing strategy that required women of near perfect aesthetics to be the models. They would’ve been relegated to KMart special if they’d used large women as models.
Devil's advocate: How do you explain that to someone with a body type issue? Not obese, but they're too short, or male, or a hawkish nose, the wrong skin tone, have a specific type of calf (mentioned by an ex model/ dancer in a women's defense book I read once upon a time)... How do you, not a lawyer but you as a loving person, tell your niece that she's not pretty enough to live her dream because she inherited her grandma's boobs and not the other grandma's?
There are some things you can train and improve for, like sports. Even then injuries happen, lack of sponsorships, everything's a gamble in that perspective. How do you explain and justify that to someone who grew up with stories like Zootopia, or 90s chick flicks, or muffin flipping Xena?
I personally have no issue with roles and jobs existing for body types. The problem is finding the legalese that doesn't discriminate just because of traditional racism or other bigotry and more, "We're looking for a profile that you physically do not fit." This same template can be used by Hollywood for period shows, instead of requiring token colors for a historical Viking or Samurai or Zulu piece.
Sincerely,
A Hobbit with a disgustingly exaggerated hourglass that couldn't live her dream of cheerleading or firefighting or stunt work due to height, injury and lack of opportunity.
Both before and after models of Victoria are wrong, both promote toxic beauty standards.
@@TBishopDeanwell Victoria secret is t that great TBH. It’s is Kmart level
Fat-phobe is a strange one. It's like walking along and seeing someone perched on a cliff. You see the imminence of their demise and your reaction is, "Oh, that's cool." Really? That's not inclusive, it's dismissive.
Who told them to get so close to the edge?
@@NeonDeion109fat people
OMG!!! So cliff-phobic!!
True. But why promote the incredibly unhealthy lifestyle of VS Angels? Both are bad.
@@ems3991True. Although these women, despite the unhealthy lifestyle, are just naturally beautiful and stand out more than the average person. The same cannot be said about an obese woman who's 50% rolls of fat.
That first girls argument is basically seeing yourself in media makes you feel better about yourself. The problem with that is… you shouldn’t be looking for representation in media to validate yourself because the moment that representation dwindles, you’ll fall apart. That’s a very unstable way to live life.
You are such a hero for speaking about all these different subjects and you do it so eloquently! Thank you, I love you so much
The problem with today's "inclusivity" is that its not limited to ethnicities and sexes(things you can't control) but lifestyles, particularly lifestyles that are unhealthy and dangerous. At this rate people will say it's non-inclusive to not include junkies, pedophiles or psychopaths.
I take it you haven't been to San Francisco lately
@@Riorozen yeah lol, apparently it's offensive to call a pedophile a pedophile 😂.
Exactly, it seems like suddenly we are encouraged to be at our worst, because society will do what it takes that we fit in, no matter how toxic our behavior is. People used to thrive to be better persons, better looking, meaning healthier, better athletes, workers, scientist, artist, and to contribute to evolution of society with their own personal growth. These days, every mediocre person with a social network is creating their own reality, and everybody else needs to fit in or you are canceled for not acknowledging them. Basically , I think if we cannot continue to evolve as species, we are so doomed.
you can't control an Eating Disoder fun fact, cant control your sexuality fun fact. Also the thing about pdophillia is such a reach that its doesnt even make sense, no one is saying the pedophile who wanted to be on tv and wasnt aloud was being discrimnated because being a pedophile is illegal and being fat is not.
psychopaths don't care, they don't see humans as anything more than tools. As for the first two, that's what they've been doing.
If everything is inclusive, there is nothing special anymore... it's being all the same... it's not what people will want when that day comes and regret it.
Just like Syndrome said in the Incredible said"If everyone is super no one is"
A M E N
@@michaelrivera8360dude I commented that
WE READ EACH OTHER’S MINDS! 🤯
It’s important to whine, to whine loud and hard because that’s the fuel that powers your victim mobile.
Heaven forbid we find merit in ourselves, in what we can create or become.
WELL.. if one has a VAGINA.... You really are kind of SPECIAL.
Because we are NOW Living a GYNOCENTRIC SOCIETY ...and you can float through life on easy mode and everyone around you will kiss your ass ALMOST 24/7.
And some man somewhere OR organization will always bail you out of every bad decision you ever make pretty much.
SO YEAH, THERE IS A SPECIAL CLASS OF PEOPLE...
I'd be pissed if I worked my A off to become a really well known super model only to see obese women next to me and claiming we're the same thing
Absolutely! Or like trans women competing in female sports. Not fair!
Don't worry, that won't happen😂😂😂
That's how I imagine that's how the beauty pageant women felt when that fat transwoman won. Being thin used to pretty much be mandatory in the field, and the rest of the girls were thin, then someone overweight who probably didn't put in all the diet in exercise that the other girls put in wins.
I'm aware of how "fatphobic" my comment may come across but I don't have any negative feelings towards overweight people, if a fat person and a thin person had the same personality, I'd feel the exact same way about them. However, it doesn't change the fact of beauty pageant standards and how I imagine some of the other women who competed must have felt a bit pissed.
@@nooneneedstoknowmynamenever apologized you are totally right like I know I could lose a few more pounds to look healthier as the girl said the Angels were those who had it and not everyone did
@@kirayoungblood Yeah, I'm sure there's stuff you do excel at. I think people might be happier if they could just accept the fact that there are some things they won't be that great at, because that's okay, there are so many things in this world, so many that we could never possibly experience them all, so it's a good thing, because it allows people to find what they are good at and to really get amazing at that thing without being distracted by things they don't really have much of a holding in.
I heard that morning walks are a good help for wanting to lose weight and for overall happiness and waking up in the morning and being more alert during the day.
Whatever works best for you I wish you luck, I just hope you don't give up on yourself.
Tbh i agree MOSTLY. I just dont like promoting unhealthy eating and unhealthy lifestyles. I became anorexic because of my obsession with becoming a model. Unfortunately im tall (5'4) but not model tall (5'9 and up). I had no loving family and any time people showed they loved me was when I would starve myself. Sometimes people arent in a healthy surrounding and mindset and are easy prey to these things. There are some beautifully naturally skinny people. I hate both sides of this spectrum tbh. It just sucks imo this whole topic. Ill never be happy unless im very thin so I dont want to be accepted for my weight if i go above like 140 lbs. Ugh see why its such a slippery slope.
“And when everyone’s super,
No one is”
-that one villain in the incredibles
and Kevin Samuels. Lol
Syndrome.
Victoria Secret was bullied into moving in this direction. They were losing sales, people were complaining that the VS models were promoting unreal body standards for girls and blah blah. Now people are saying “umm have standards like do better, be better, we want the old VS angels back” People are never happy 🙄
That's because they made the mistake of listening to the small, loud, and generally broke online community that never spent a dollar with them in the first place. Their sales issues were due to a changing market that was moving online whereas they were still focused on retail stores, often in malls that have been on a downhill trajectory for several years. It certainly wasn't because Linda or Amy thought the runway models didn't represent her. They represent an ideal of the female form, that's all.
They need that ESG score....
They were promoting unhealthy body standards. And now they're promoting unhealthy body's on the other side, overweight. Why can't they just promote healthy bodys.
@@333kireinahimeexactly, just have models with a healthy BMI of 18.5-24.9, what’s so hard about that?
@@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765Because diversity and exclusivity.
Our generation gets so offended so easily that I could say "I like playing video games" or "I like to be outside" and someone out there is gonna be offended by it for some reason 😅
"representation matters" only if you can't see your own humanity in another person. If you need to see a person your same color or size or gender illness in order to feel associated with them, it's because you don't quite see people who aren't the same as the same kind of human as you as as human as you.
Exactly!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!
Preach!
I wish I could save this comment and put it in a frame
Well said. 🎯
I somewhat agree with this but I think it just depends on context. For example if we talk about superheros, let’s just say in the Justice league it’s just Superman, Batman, Flash and Green Lantern. Yes all are great heroes but it’s just one demographic. Do you need to be a white man to only like them and empathize with them? No ofc not but what about someone who isn’t that demographic. Everyone on earth does NOT look the same. Do you want to show that women can’t be heroes? Or different races of people can’t be heroes? No bc anyone can have the opportunity to be a hero and that’s why we have representation.
You said the quiet part out loud: it’s about jealousy. It all comes down to envy. These people look at a model and feel so much rage and want to tear her down rather than be happy for her and work on self betterment. Now those people can jump up on a runway over a hard-working model and turn up their noses. They scream inclusivity but really all they want is exclusivity in the complete opposite direction.
the point of feminism is to empower ugly women enough to achieve the status of attractive women. Attractive women are always better off, no matter if we have a balanced society or patriarchy. But feminism gives ugly women undue benefits and opportunity they would've otherwise been blocked from
This!
Literally exactly I can't believe companies let it get this far.
Hey now, jealousy is being part of inclusive LOL
Growing up as a girl I was made to believe that being skinny was better. You feel less as a person if your even an average person. Women will throw up their food to be skinny and develop mental health and physical issues until they possibly die. I know a friend like that. In America skinny is in. Fat shaming is in many stores. A lot of places with cute clothing is for small women. I believe it’s ok for Victoria Secret to have plus size. Some women can lose weight and keep weight off a lot easier than others. Everyone’s body is different and let’s not put people down who struggle with weight. Maybe it’s ok to not be skinny. Skinny people have bad health issues too, why do people assume it’s only fat people.
The "participation trophy" kids have grown up and it's as awful as we all knew it would be... lol
Exactly. I remember when the school system and the Department of Education STARTED THE...."everyone gets a trophy". The parents and teachers HOTLY contested it, so did we. (My husband is in education) and we KNEW it would end up really bad.
The debate was...(their side) that lowering standrds and making things easier and then giving EVERYONE a trophy regardles, would make ALL the students "feel special" and would include everyone, and no one would FEEL "left out".....and...( The parents , teachers and other side).... was...That giving everyone a trophy would not allow ....the majority of students to learn HOW to struggle and work HARD to get what they WANTED, and deserved if they DID work hard to achieve a high score/level, and would deny those children THEIR opportunity, instead of lowering everything down to the "lowest learners".....and instead of having rewards " handed to them" just because they WANTED something for doing nothing, or doing very LITTLE. (Why not just help the few that were struggling, and keep standrds AS THEY WERE?) This would create a large sub-standard of learning.... SURE ENOUGH, it turned out JUST LIKE WE SAID. And, the " DOE " was WRONG......AGAIN. that group needs to GO. And so now we have a group of adults that arent happy with ANYTHING unless they are the CENTER OF ATTENTION or "getting something they didnt earn, and dont even want to TRY to earn it ". THATS NOT GOOD......because they don't understand the JOY from attaining something from hard work and achievement. The DOE.....ROBBED THEM OF THAT. Their lives are going to be triple hard, and their kids will suffer for their unhappiness, because the "parents happiness will always be MORE important than their childs. It will create a next generation of VERY ANGRY and rebellious children after them, that hate WHAT their angry parents are doing, to see that their paents can't be happy without being "pacified" with something. So, their kids will never feel "good enough" to satisfy their parents need for constant validation and praise.
These adults were CHEATED out of a VERY SPECIAL and NEEDED thing in human's lives. We hear it every single day now......they complain about almost everything as well. Thats sad.....WE TRIED. And we were shouted and beaten down, because not enough folks STOOD UP and FOUGHT TO STOP THIS LUNACY, to let the children WORK to achieve the BEST that they can do, instead of accepting the very minimum work and minimum amounts of effort. THAT doesnt achieve "greatness" in people. It CREATES mediocrity, and creates a selfish attitude of entitlement, but it especially creates ANGER and unhappiness the most.
So true!!🤪🤡🤪
I use to feel imposter syndrome. Because I didn't earn stuff.
@@dede4004 Spot on!
The “participation trophy” practice has actually harmed the very individuals it was supposed to help.
@@dede4004 facts. I had a book discussing all that and apparently the more certificates and trophies are given out the more they lose value. Same as money. The more money is printed the more it loses value and causes inflation. If the inflation is controlled then it leads to a recession. Nature cannot be cheated. It always finds a way to pay itself back. It's payback time now... for all the participation trophies that have been generously dished out. The new generation cannot aceept defeat at all.
I remember a time this didn't need to be said. It just was. It was motivation. I don't believe the majority of people ever believed they could be top tier, but they did sincerely try to be the best they could be. Things didn't need to be all-inclusive. In fact it was cool to be on the outside, to be the trend setter of whatever group. It built character and formed strong well rounded people. Social media has ruined people mentally and emotionally. It's a shame.
Just cause the clothing is considered attractive doesnt mean you would look attractive in it
And certainly doesn't mean we wanna see yall in those clothes lmao
True. I'm very small for my age so most clothes that other people around me wear don't look that great on me, but that's okay because I opt for comfort over appearance, and I like how clothes look on other people more vs myself. When I see an outfit I always imagine how cool it'd look on someone else, I rarely think of how it'll look on me.
truth. some of these bitches body be eating the fabric
Yeah look at sam Smith for eg
They wears lingerie thinking that they will look sexy but it's just disgusting because they does not like what they identifies as.
In other words they are all crazy. All of they.
And the expectation from those women is that you SHOULD like how they look in it, because how dare you be "fat-phobic"! I'm over the nonsense and everyone being told what they should think and like and be ok with. No.
As someone who is plus size I will say YES, ABSOLUTELY I AGREE! Not everything is for everyone!
These people don't understand that companies like VS do not want to be inclusive, they want to sell their product and make more money. They don't care if you with 300 pounds look like a walrus in bikini in their undergarments, but they'll sure go an extra mile to convince you: oh yes, this is just for you, you look so great in it, almost like Adriana Lima or Giselle Bundchen, you just need to buy it. 🤣 Personally , I always felt much more embarrassed wearing something that doesn't fit me, then to publicly proudly flap my fat in VS, just because its VS... What a bunch of out of reality people...
Predicted way back in the Incredibles by Syndrome: “Everyone can be super heroes! And when everyone’s super…no one will be.” That line has stuck with me for years…and here we are.
Facts
Wow....I have seen you in TH-cam shorts quite a bit, and I always thought that you were well spoken, but this not only was articulate and informative, but it was also very sensitive and in a way that was palettable ...well done. Very well done
If you don’t fit into any group, make your own group.
But you'll be just yourself
Or forget the illusion of categorizing your identity = grouping.
Nice. The "Assvengers" Assemble!
@@laurenelizabeth2505 this.
A short story we read in class was called Harrison Bergeron. It was about a world where everyone was the same and people who were better were handicapped so everything would be equal. At the time I was reading it I remember thinking, “This is crazy. The person who wrote this has some wild ideas.” However, I am now starting to see that maybe this is how society may end up, everyone being forced to be equal, whether they like it or not.
Author was Kurt Vonnegut- good writer.
I was thinking of this story as I watched this video but couldn't remember the name. I'm glad I came across your comment!
Its usually a foreshadowing of whats to come,kinda like pre programming,the simpsons do it all the time and we act shocked,the terminator is basically preparing us for the worst
I remember reading that in middle school in like 2002.
I was thinking of pointing this book out but I couldn’t remember the author or name.
The inclusivity began in the 90s - it has been a cancer since then, that has turned into woke culture. Best line in the Incredibles (paraphrasing), ''I'm going to make everyone special, so nobody is.' Get it? Love your videos!! ❤
Syndrome : "And when everyone's super...no one will be."
When everyone's special.......no one will be.
@@leegaul2161that's what I said.
@@leegaul2161that's what I said.
@@leegaul2161that's what I said.
I loved the way you said that not everything has to be ATTAINABLE. For example - since I was a little girl and first saw motorcycles, I KNEW that I want to drive a motorcycle, and maybe even do some racing. However, in my teen years I was diagnosed with a form of epilepsy that automatically prohibited me from ever driving a motorcycle (or car, etc.). So? Was I supposed to advocate for motorcycles to be "modified" in some impossible way so I could race? No, I accepted reality and found joy in other things.
Growing up I remember my parents saying, “there will always be someone better than you and there will always be someone worse than you” regarding skills etc. very true! Keeps you humble but also let’s you know that you can always grow and get better.
Dragging others down does not bring you up. The 'inclusivity' crowd often overlooks this.
They don't care. Theirs is the belief that if they can't have it, then no one else should be able to have it either.
I think that once nutrition and mental health become a bigger focus in the United States that all of this will go away. Unfortunately I don't believe that will ever happen because fixing both of those things goes against the unbridled capitalism that this country loves so much.
I feel encouraged and hopeful that there are young women like yourself, and the woman in the first video, speaking out. Your voices need to be amplified.
inclusivity of this level is akin to saying the olympics should no longer present any awards because that wouldn't be fair to the people who placed on the podium. it would ruin the purpose of the event.
When I see a advertisment or a movie, I don't want to see myself there, I don't want to be represented, I want to see beautiful people, outside of mediocrity, I want to fill my eyes with something extraordinary. If I want to see ordinary people, I look in the mirror or walk the streets. They took away the opportunity to see the beautiful, the sublime, the enchantment.
i do cuz i want stories to feel real. but i guess it depends the type of movie u like. i am.into dramas
Why? I would rather see real-looking people. I love how gun advertisements use military men, rugged men, grizzly men, truckers, blue collar. That's relatable. Gun ads with sexy bimbos are stupid.
@@blucolife Sexy conservative woman could out shoot a lot of men
@@blucolifeUh, ya. They use military, rugged, grizzly, blue collar truckers, but they typically select very attractive, fit versions of them. If they don't, it is because the marketing department's focus groups guided them in that direction. The general public isn't inclined to buy products from a company with a commercial represented by a person with a BMI of 40.
I agree 100% with everything!! Thank you amala for saying what (I wish) everyone was thinking
“I want to be seen as attractive and desirable.” Then gets attention from the wrong person: “Don’t objectify me.”
There is a difference between admiring someone's beauty and objectifying a person
@@emmavictoria4743tell that to the Karen's whom are being admired and they try and spin it into an objectification debate
@@emmavictoria4743What if they are the object of someone's admiration?
"I want to be seen as a man." Gets pregnant. 🤦♀️
"I want to be seen as a woman." Has wanger out in locker room. 🤦♀️
If person = rich, handsome, beautiful= WHY ARE YOU NOT DATING ME? If person = poor, plain looking = "Don't walk near me! I need my space! Are you a stalker? I will scream!!"
"They're willing to pump the world full of separation when it comes to characteristics that quite literally don't matter - like your race, your sexuality, and your gender. But they're not OK when it comes to things that humans almost inherently find valuable" daaaaamn 🔥
Amala, if I was a millionaire, I would fund your entire career!!! You are undoubtedly one of the most impactful and inspiring voices of not only our generation but in general!! Thank you ma’am, and PLEASE keep shining through the light and love and hope in life!!! 😇🤘🏼💜
If you were a millionaire, you'd be part of the Satanic Elite molesting and cannibalizing children.
Totally agree, and very well said! Amala is absolutely outstanding! Really respect her well-studied and carefully considered messaging! Ever onward, Amala!
@@lauriesuzanne8848 🙏🏼💜
@@briannajenell 🙏🏼💜
Also interesting how not too long ago people were trashing Victoria Secret and how toxic the company and its ideals are for women and the beauty standard but now that they've decided to cowtie with the woke left they're suddenly cool again 😂😂 Its sad how swayed a community can be just by a company saying "We love and accept you". Y'all realize they're just trying to save their skin in the game and keep making money 💰 😅
Because it’s never really about “justice and representation”, but about power…
It's pandering and only people who aren't very bright or intelligent fall for this trick. As the saying goes "A fool and his money are soon parted."
It’s only like this because people like to live in their lazy lifestyle. Not having accountability or goals keeps them stagnant and creating excuses of why they are right and why they should be included is just a coping mechanism. People don’t want to work for anything anymore. And it’s also sad that these people have to be included to validate their identity instead of working hard and validating themselves 🤦♀️
Not taking accountability encompasses the whole leftist ideology/lifestyle.
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Victoria Secret only became inclusive after Fenty fashion shows and ads showcased diversity and different body types as well as receiving complaints from customers and potential customers. The unattainable body types of previous Victoria’s Secret models and many fashion models have attributed to anorexia, body dysmorphia and low self esteem of many individuals. No one is asking for a 5’1 person like myself to become a Victoria’s Secret model, but it’s not unrealistic to represent women, who in America are an average of a size 14, not a size 0 (Zero).
Tyra wasn't bone thin, there were some thick, healthy looking girls.
@@ms.wilson6439 Tyra was much thinner than she is now, and she was out of it by the time the waif standard resurfaced.
You may never be a model, whats stopping you from being the best you can be? That girl is jealous because she can't get motivated or control her habits. Victim status gets you nowhere.
The irony is.. a model is just looks.. and tbh… a lot of people don’t even watch Victoria secret etc.. even at the height it did slowly die.. becase of the quality and it just became a snarky celebrity sho..
But look at online influencers.. they get more followers and influence than any model.. and.. they have longevity. When people listen and care about t your option and you vs a model..
so technically being a youtuber a sucessful one.. you make way more than a model will ever make.. you’re not replaceable if you have a massive following .. its very different.
Ironically if that girl that complained has a following. Shes already way more sucessful than a Victoria secret model.. people don’t seem to realize that.. models will be replaced.. and influencer with a strong fan base won’t..
@@npcimknot958I didn't know anyone actually thought of influencer as a long term gig. No. Most of them will fade into irrelevance. Models have an expiration date too of course. A gorgeous 19 year old will get chosen over a gorgeous 33 year old. But trends change fast online too and someone who got a big following in their 20s is probably not going to still have it in their 30s. Their audience will move on and there's always new people coming up.
The sinple truth is everyone is good at SOMETHING.
But it's comepletely stupid to try and forcefully insert yourself in a space you do not fit in.
It wastes the time you could discover and train your persibal talents, and in the wnd just makes you look desperate and jelious.
@@MakerInMotion everything fades...success/notoriety/fame is a wave. You ride it until you can't.
The part about "what about me ism" really rang true for me. Recently in an online sewing community the organizer released a free e-book about sewing more consistently and getting stuff done (as a companion to a webinar). This book had the audacity to recommend that people try to form "habits" and "routines". A community member claimed this was not sufficiently inclusive of neurodiverse people who allegedly can't form habits (they cited no scientific evidence supporting this), and the group demanded that the language be changed to "practice" and "rhythm" because that was somehow less triggering, even though it means the same thing but is less clear to most of the population. Apparently the idea of adapting general advice to their specific situation never occurred to them!
thays not true what thay person claimed at all. i and my son are neurodiverse and we form habits just fine! maybe not for adhd people
Great example IMHO. I know fully well what practice and rhythm means but in this case I feel habits and routines convey the idea in a clearer and more precise way, especially when we consider rhythm is often associated with music, dance. So by being ''inclusive'' we are muddling the waters for everyone? We are watering down language/concepts? Guess I'm not being inclusive by saying IMHO, there are obviously people who don't know what it means...
I have adhd and only recently realised that I don’t form habits. Life makes a lot more sense now. But I’m not gunna get mad that a book talks about habit forming. The majority of the population can. I just need to find what works for me.
The problem I see here the most is that Neurodivergent itself is a broad thing, my son, two of my Daughters, my wife and I, have all been diagnosed as ND, it shows in different ways of course but none of them considered "Normal"
my son can only form a habit in certain ways due to being ADHD, but he is also Autistic so when he does form the habit it becomes a focus, my youngest daughter cannot form habits, I tend to Focus on things before learning a habit and my wife manages to do it well in that her habits and focuses seem to work together, but not like "normal people" people tend to think she is OCD, though she is not.
I suspect this community member might be of the "Fake Divergent" meaning people that self diagnose as Neuro Divergent when they are not actually on the spectrum at all and have never sought out professional advice.
maybe they know someone who is and think they act like them a bit and so they think they are too.
I am so bad with adaption of vague general advice, I usually have to get my wife to "translate" it for me in a way that makes more sense and is adaptable, but to demand someone change their book to suit their wants? dang, if they know what words need changing so specifically maybe they should write their own darn book for themselves,
oh and BTW, kudos to the community organizer for releasing that free ebook, such charity from good people like them really helps the world go round.
as an autistic with different mental health issues, this is insulting. like I can form habits, ANYONE can, this is a natural, inherent even, phenomenon. being "inclusive" is unfortunately sometimes just . offensive. making people seem like they need to be coddled at every step and are unable to make any decision or put in any work bc they are xyz is so frustrating lol
_yes, I do need accommodations. yes, I need medication and I can't do many things, but it doesn't mean I'm special Only because I'm autistic and mentally disordered!!!!_
Not everything needs a token
Now it's come one, come all. There is nothing to aspire to, nothing to sacrifice, nothing to separate the people who are willing to give it their all from those who are just whining and pitying themselves and don't want to put in any work...they think they should be allowed to be part of some group just because they want to. Sometimes I think those same groups react too negatively to inclusivity but at the same time I can't blame them for being mad when they're told all the hard work they had to put it to rise above the rest has now been deemed unnecessary.
It's like most things: "When you stand for everything, you stand for nothing."
Literally in that order
@@PlasmaStorm73 Don't overthink it.
Check out the move the Incredibles: " Dash gets in trouble in school; on the car ride home, Dash says “Our powers make us special,” to which Helen (Mrs. Incredible) says, “Everyone is special, Dash”. Dash retorts back to her, “Which is another way of saying that no one is.” .. his father who later on is arguing that a 4th grade graduation ceremony is silly (in his words, psychotic) because, “They keep celebrating new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is genuinely exceptional, they shut him down because they don’t want everyone else to feel bad!... Syndrome is planning on giving everyone superpowers with his technology and claiming, “When everyone is super, no one will be."
"Me being a respresentation has helped them"
Has it really? Or has it just validated their poor life choices and lack of self control 😬 Love your body as it is sure but this being overweight is beautiful message is anything but helpful to the public
We are talking about selling underwear to people of all sizes, what are larger people supposed to wear? They are selling clothing, not body types. If you only make clothes that go up to a size 6 you are going to go broke in this world. If you want different demographics to buy your crap you have to go out there and dance for them to pick you over everyone else. Say what you will, Victorias' secret was going down, the shows ratings were slipping and sales were dropping, the attention was going to brands like Kim Kardashian's skims, (who now has quite a few ex victorias secret models on her roster along with a list talent) and Rihanna's Savage line who lingerie was the talk of the town and selling out... So yes, diversity does sell if its done right.
@r.walker7986 I guess we'll see in a couple years if they're still around 🤷♀️
@@NurseHarley299 We shall.
@@3810-dj4qz Victoria secret can do whatever they want.
Exclusivity is ESSENTIAL for the world we live in. As an example. I could NEVER join the armed services. Why? Because I am unable to perform the physical aspect of that work. Which is an essential part of the job. My disabilities don't allow me to do that. Or being a Dr. I did really well in science & biology when I was at school. But the essential levels of knowledge were out of my grasp. I couldn't remember it all. So I pose the question to the group.
Would you be willing to make me your town Dr? Because I want to be a Dr & be included in that group.
I think inclusivity should be about levelling the playing field in terms of opportunity. I have multiple chronic illnesses and am doing a PhD. I get some accomodation to help me, esp during a flare. I don’t expect special treatment, but the support helps me be on a level playing field with other students. I still have to earn the PhD based on my own merits.
Being disabled, there are many things I would love to do but have to accept the realities that prevent me from doing them. There are dreams I have that simply cannot ever be due to many compounding factors, and it's a hard pill but one you have to swallow or live a life yearning for something you can't achieve.
Not true. You can always browbeat and cancel your way to stopping able bodied people from doing anything you cannot do.
Why can’t people just excel at what they’re good at and appreciate others for what they’re great at? Thank God I homeschool my children 😁
These particular people who are complaining about these things are not good at anything, that's the problem. There's nothing going on in their head so they don't know how to motivate themselves, or take the time to learn a skill or Talent. Or even just learn about themselves. They're brain dead.
Yeah its such a weird mindset. I'm a really short girl but I've never demanded the world make adaptations for me in public spaces like the fat acceptance movement constantly does. If anything it would make more sense for me to demand step stools everywhere then the FA movement demanding we rebuild everything bigger because I can't change my height whereas they can change their weight lol. 😂🤦♀️
Yes! So thankful to be homeschooling so my children can excel in their God given strengths.
@@kateri35right on! I say frequently this world wasn't made for me because I'm too short.
@emmiebeth13 yeah me too lol. My 5 year old daughter takes after her dad and is tall and long limbed and teases me she's almost as tall as me already and her arms and legs are the same length as mine. "Only you won't keep growing taller and I will" she says 🤦♀️😅🙄
I work in a crafting job, and like to be surrounded by model of what perfection, excelence, and hard work are. Start replacing all the art pieces with some lesser mediocre things, and i won't have the will to get up in the morning and sacrifice my health for doing the job. People need something to look up for, some goal in a way, but that's not exclusive and we started the time of laziness.
I’m a very pale, red-headed, ginger woman. I never see red-heads or gingers in the media (its very rare). And I’ve always been okay with that (we’re literally 2% of the population so of course there is not a lot of people that look like me). Also a lot of the very few red headed people of media seem to be slowly replaced by other people. You don’t need to see someone exactly like you to pursue something. I’m in school now trying to become a chemist because I love science. Women are not as common in the STEM fields and I don’t think I’ve ever specifically seen red-headed women in STEM. I still wanna pursue this even though I rarely see someone like me. I’ve said my piece now. :)
I love gingers and think they're beautiful. With that said, 65% of Americans are "overweight," so it's nice when they're represented on TV. I want to relate to what I'm seeing. Old Axe commercials for a sexy guy getting the girl for wearing Axe never made sense to me. He's already sexy, he doesn't need Axe.
You are the real minority my friend!
I have a friend that is real red-head, she is so beautiful and unfortunately it's been years that I don't see any real red-head.
It's a shame that we have to live in a hypocritical society dominated by empty political speeches and full of people who want benefits simply because they think they have the right, but they don't know the real history of humanity and still go around saying that they are victims when in fact this A person has never done anything in their life, and is supported by their parents and still wants to call themselves a victim, while others who are really in the minority end up going unnoticed.
Sounds like ur representing gingers like your self, but you don't have to be represented?
@@hollyolsen6246 I don’t need representation to be happy with myself. Like I said, as well, gingers at 2% of the population. I’m not surprised we don’t get a tone of representation. There are not a lot of people like us. Unless you go to Ireland or Scotland that is haha.
It's literally Syndromes evil plan: "And if everyone's super ... no one will be"
ah yes where he planned to make the word meaningless
The problem is that the idea of total inclusivity is that they want everyone to feel special. But when everyone is special, no one will be.
The 'everyone is special' movement has turned into no one is special at all so quickly it's given me whiplash.
I agree. We need to stop coddling people. Love yourself regardless.
I love your show Amala. You have so many thoughtful insights to bring to todays society. We need you to keep doing what you’re doing.
Yes!!! I used to be someone who struggled with an eating disorder and poor body image and I absolutely used to blame beautiful people around me for why that was. But realizing I was my problem and therefore I had the power to work on myself physically and mentally changed my life. And 1000% agree with what you said about how they're only only with oppression hierarchy and it's completely hypocritical
For what it's worth, I'm proud of you for getting out of that victim mindset
@@michaelquaid4679seconded
I totally agree with you. This is killing the grind, hard work, and remember that word “striving for something,” actually earning something! You don’t quality to be in whatever. Stop getting offended and calling people names, starting trouble having public temper tantrums, being agitators. Get over yourself!
As a woman in my 50s, who is barely over 5' tall, not got perfect everything...I happily played w my 70s Barbies (when they weren't "normal sized", adored watching the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders (something I would've loved to be on but NEVER could be on!), watched VS shows even though I could never be an angel. Somehow, I still had fun w my toys, enjoyed the entertainment, and managed to feel sexy and wore VS(and still do) clothing items! But according to today's world, I should've been feeling horrible from childhood and feeling victimized over every damn thing! I'm so happy I grew up when I did...I enjoyed life and still know how to!
I'm also in my mid-50s, not even 5' tall, and completely uncoordinated. I love watching Making the DCC, I love watching auditions for the Rockettes, and I know that nothing shown during NY Fashion Week is made to fit me, but I like looking at it anyway!
@ElizabethT45 yesss!!! I was so sad when they ended the Making the DCC show! Totally agree, love watching all of that! Seeing the Rockettes perform in person is on my bucket list! Somehow, you and I have survived w/o needing therapy or a special coloring room! Lol 🤣
You are right. Which is why Barbie movie is dominating the box office and Disney's woke agenda like "The Marvels" flopped so hard. We are the majority, just that we are not vocal and angry like psychopath woke minorities. BUT IT'S TIME TO FIGHT BACK!
My bucket list item too! I knew a lady who was a Rockette when she was a young woman (she was in her late 70s and friends w my Grams when I knew her). I loved hearing her stories of rushing to get to practice, of all that went into the choreography, makeup and costuming! The places they went and performed in the early 50s! 🤩Her fav story to share was when she was running late and had on big, heavy sweat pants. As she was rushing down the street in NYC to Rockette practice, her pants fell right down to her ankles! That wouldn't be a shock today, but in 1950, 😱 I also would love to see the DCC perform in person. My teen niece, who's a cheerleader, got to go to the stadium and was in the DCC locker rooms. She had her pictures taken there. Not gonna lie, was totally jealous! 😁😍
I love that you mention Barbie. As a child, I did not pay attention to her "freak of nature" body. I was inspired by how many different jobs she had. She could be a teacher, dancer, doctor, or astronaut! (I also pretended my barbies were superheroes or GI Joes but that's beside the point)
I don't want to see myself in the media, my beauty comes from within not without and that's all I need.
Exactly. Absolutely everyone needs a little 'special and unique' in their lives. I grew up watching old time movies when actors and actresses had that certain unobtainable glamour and mystery, and those movies, to me, represented a certain escapism which, every now and again, I craved.
Inclusivity started with children's sports where everyone was a winner, no team was the losing team, and everybody got a trophy. Thus eliminating the need for the competitive edge, the desire to excel, and the drive to become the best that you could be.
As soon as I hear "CIS" I turn my ears off.
That term doesn't even exist in my vocabulary.
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If i hear it anywhere outside of my organic chemistry class I just tune out 😂
@@eeveelyn4 bro I identified as potassium permanganate
I thought about being a doctor once but realised pretty early on that I don’t have the type of intelligence needed for that type of job or to pass the UKCAT entry tests. It’s in everyone’s interest that I am excluded from that line of work and I’m not mad about it 🤣
Yes! I’m a dental assistant and I have patients ask me every day if I’ll go back to school to become a dentist. I say, “no, I’m not smart enough.” And they all assure me I am. I’m not! I do not have the IQ to be a doctor of dental medicine.
This reminds me of a kids book: “Don’t cry Big Bird”. Basically Big Bird has a hard time fitting in to all of the games his friends play because he’s too big.
He gets sad. So his friends find ways to help him feel included. They made some games bigger. Compensated by putting more kids on the other end of a see-saw, etc. everything was working well to be inclusive until they got to hide and seek. He was simply too big to hide. Then his compromise was to be IT instead of trying to hide. So even this book which tries to teach inclusivity also acknowledges that there isn’t always an equal inclusive solution to a problem. That even big bird had to make a compromise to participate in the game.
If we applied modern attitudes, Big Bird would have gone to all of his friends and insisted that to be inclusive they had to accommodate him, and for hide and seek he didn’t want to be it, he wanted to hide and they would have to find a way to accommodate him. For example, maybe people would have had to be blindfolded while it or pretend not to see him to make it fair. That’s the attitude people have right now. It definitely takes away the message of inclusiveness and moves it to the realm of self-denial.
Well, if Big Bird wants to be the hider, but the problem is he's just too big to hide easily, then I propose the modest solution of chopping him up into little pieces -- one for each of the other children -- and stashing them around the neighborhood. Problem solved, and no more whining from a bird.
That first response video is a classic case of smug vocal fry-y-y-y-y.
The second one clearly didn't listen to how the girl said she herself couldn't be a VS model, and was okay with that.
We have forgotten as a society that it's good to know how to lose as well as how to win.
I hate the smug vocal fryyy voice. I always joke that they're baked and by what they say most of the time they probably are.
One of the things I constantly harp on to my daughter about is being capable of losing gracefully.
You can't win all the time, but you can avoid looking like a complete idiot when you lose.
That first one is exactly the kind of person I most despise. There is no cruelty which can be imagined much less devised that she doesn't deserve.
Inclusivity makes everything a commodity… nothing unique, no novelty and zero merit.
The irony behind the over forced inclusivity movement is that eventually it winds up excluding a group of people just to perpetuate a message. For example… 6 dwarfs are missing from Snow White. The villains in the new Robyn Hood are white. People get overlooked for jobs, etc because they don’t meet the box check. Most of my auditions that I attend now are open to everyone and it’s EXTREMELY difficult now to get past the first round whereas it used to be hard but achievable.