Bruh, bots straight up have the big bad nono word and TH-cam let's them stay. And well, yeah handles I feel like are going to be something really common in some years maybe as much as some consoles
Keep the handhelds coming, more competition is great to see. And yeah, no surprise that Linus broke it. Also, I’m pretty sure you meant to say microSD rather than microUSB.
@@amystery5238 I feel like they do, but I feel like somehow they keep evading the algorithms, it is wild, but I can't wait until the bots start reporting each other lol
Remember how long we were stuck on dual cores for laptops and Intel was kinda like bah you don't need more, and then eventually we got quads only for bigger systems, and then in a whirr we can get 8 cores in a handheld like this?? Thanks competition, thanks AMD.
The competition is also within the good sales of the Nintendo Switch. Before all people had been kinda Nah you don't need mobile you have consoles and/or PC...
i feel like we need a full LTT video on all the best portable gaming system options once the steam deck has arrived. I'm kinda losing track of all the different manufacturers and models 😅
Yes, absolutely. I'm sure that this is already in their planners, I bet they have a LOT lined up for Steam Deck. I feel like a final comparison would be silly to not include.
The steam deck is head and shoulders above the rest on APU power so far. I'm an AYA owner but fully intend to upgrade to the deck once I get to the front of the line.
Is the resolution ever a problem? It's higher than 1080p but, especially with Intel, the integrated graphics are mid spec at best. The ryzen would play better I assume
@@rajgill7576 I run all my games at 800p 1280x800 half the native screen resolution and it looks great. You gain performance and it's not an issue or anything, it's better this way as you gain frames per second.
FYI, the odd numbered 5000 series Ryzen U and H are actually rebranded 4000 series. Yes a 5700u is better than a 4700u, but thats only because the 5700u us quite literally the 4800u Note the G line of desktop processors are not included in this for some reason, its a shame, i would have loved a $200 5500G thats really a 4650G without AMD PSB
@@HouseOfBard It is the same processor, with slight frequency bump, 100Mhz on the core(2%), and 150Mhz on the GPU(8%) They are both Zen2 parts with no change other than the slight overclock 8 cores 16 threads, and 8 CUs 5800u on the other hand is not Zen2, but Zen3 has an extra 100Mhz on the CPU and GPU over the 5700u. Because it is Zen3, it is about 10-20% faster CPU at the same clock speed, meaning it is close to 13-23% faster with the better IPC, and core clocks. While the GPU is only faster than the 5700u by 5%, it does overclock better if the BIOS allows. If all you care about is GPU performance then yea its not that different, but CPU performance is closer to the 5600u than 5800u I have a 4750GE, and a 5700G, both with their GPUs at 2000Mhz and the GPU performance difference is hardly noticable. though the motherboard for the 5700G allows me to OC to 2300Mhz and run RAM at 4933CL17, and with this OC it is vastly superior, closer to a GTX1050 2GB than the Vega8 in the 4750GE
I think this kind of handheld gaming thing's will be much more powerful when they have 6000 series api with rdna 2 graphics, cause those graphs shown by amd wasn't supposed to be wrong 😶
@@_TheElMan Valve is eating a lot of the cost on that though. But if we could get a good model for about $1000, that’s a solid “premium” option if people want to pay for it.
Steam Deck isn't going to have much stock for awhile so it's not a big concern. By the time it does, these devices will blow the Deck away in power with the 6800U models
and no one is gonna buy them, cuz they are literally 1300-1400 dollars products while the steamdeck with similar, if not better performance is around 600. I understand these companies can't price their products anywhere near the steamdeck, but then again, that's not our fault, the vast majority of consumers will look at these and a steamdeck and when they see the price difference they are gonna yeet these ones 300 miles away and jump in the store brawl for the last steamdeck on the shelves at msrp.
They've been making these for a few years now. Them releasing now models, at the start of the year no less, is hardly some reaction to a delayed first gen product (seriously, you can't just change dates like that on such short notice). And as Linus repeatedly says: most people are not going to be among the first to get Steam Decks, and people who now want one are not going to get one any time soon.
@@FiddyBee People are and will buy them. Are now, because there is no Steam Deck to buy. Will, because for most people there still won't be Steam Decks to buy. And by late this year, these devices will have 6000 series chips and be better.
okay update i bought this because i simply couldn't be bothered waiting on the steamdeck plus the "1440p" ish screen was a great selling point. Installed retroarch and poked around a few games. Amazing stuff! There is a warning i've heard that some windows updates might mess up the controller buttons, forcing you to have to wipe and restart everything. that's not good. Suggest that you install something like anydesk or teamviewer so you can control the device remotely in case this happens. Also maybe pause windows updates a month at a time (it let me pause it for 5 weeks) once you have everything set up. So as long as you have good AV, or you don't do anything dumb (get AV) there's no reason for a driver update or windows system update. So happy with the purchase. It is pretty heavy and enormous though! wow
Ye would be a great deal for standardization and therefore compatibility and availability! I'm curious how these devices and the general competition will evolve
I really wonder about how that goes though, I'd imagine some of the companies behind these wouldn't be too happy to use their main competitor's operating system.
@@nolankanski9116 could turn out like with google and Android. Everyone making their own versions based upon the original and the original has it's own product. Edit: And since steam is quite the market the competitors could offer their devices with "guaranteed steam client compatibility" but other ergonomics, designs and/or specs and therefore pushing their own brands with a big name on a big market while valve profits from more games getting made for SteamOS and therefore more compatibility which again leads to more potential customers and so on
I think one big problem with these devices are that they are spec'd to combos of standard CPU/I-GPU packages. To keep both price and heat down, you want to get an entry level CPU but want the highest performing I-GPU, but you can't pick and choose because it comes integrated from Intel/AMD. The steam deck has them all beat, because its packing RDNA 2 graphics whilst having just a "good enough" cpu. This not only lowers price, but beats the more expensive competition on both performance (stronger GPU matters a lot more than CPU) and cooling.
This, untill AMD releases something like the steam deck's APU, and lpddr5 becomes widely available, Valve cannot be beat These handhelds with higher end CPUs are more suited to RTS and productivity than general gaming
@@roqeyt3566 AMD has always had the ability to develop custom silicone for customers (think Xbox and PlayStation) but they will only do so for very large customers with equally large orders. But they aren't ever going to do so for a tiny niche product. I do think alternatives to steam deck will become more competitive on value as rdna 2 becomes standard on APUs, but that's assuming that valve doesn't release a "gen 2" device of its own with better specs.
@@defeqel6537 you're right on lpddr5 being widely available, just haven't seen any APUs fit with it I do hope AMD releases similar products for OEMS though, next gen 6-8 cores with a similar graphical architecture would be nice
@@JimIBobIJones AMD in the past has been like that for sure Not sure if Lisa Su will continue doing that when they feel comfortable enough with their market share and financial situation. Old FX days AMD was shite, almost drove them to bankruptcy, the main question will be if they'll stick to the big markets when they've settled in again
@@ashar8192 No, only changed the TDP from power saving into High. But leaves the fan mode still on power saving. Again, there is also a toggle right above the resolutions to change that. And the difference is huge. Sure it gets louder but oh boy does it run smoother
@@funmaster4632 yeah that would just suck. I never understood why handheld systems never implemented a software deadzone for joysticks. If it starts drifting you can increase the deadzone with software and effectively remove drifting. Emulators have had this option for years now idk why it hasn't become mainstream. They could literally implement this in a week
7:27 In addition to the extra cooling, one thing that Ryzen APUs really love is memory frequency. My 5700G runs close to a GTX 1050 2GB in several games with 4933CL17 RAM, but that is with a 400Mhz (20%) overclock on the GPU, and the 1050 2GB is probably being held back by only 2GB of VRAM, where as the 5700G can use all 16GB however it chooses
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Patriot Viper Steel 4400C19, 2 different kits Worked both on an Asrock B550 phantom gaming itx and asus rox strix b550i gaming AC. Got close to 4800CL19 on some B450 boards but mostly limited to 4400-4200 especially if it wasnt an ITX board, even B550 ATX struggled above 4400
Make a custom resolution profile in Radeon settings at 800p and then turn on integer scaling as well, and you get pixel perfect squares at half the resolution of native.
Actually the downgrade from a 5800 to a 5700 is a pretty massive one, going from Zen2 to Zen3 was a massive jump both in mobile and desktop so its kinda sad that they didnt use the 5800 for that massive price, that alone is a no go for me
Honestly cpu cores shouldn't make much of a difference when the gpu will most likely be the bottleneck. However, it is still quite disappointing because the 5800u has higher gpu clocks too, and, as you said, it's not cheap either.
@@andrewd3899 I'm not sure how much more efficient Zen 3 is, but it won't be running at full capacity due to gpu bottleneck so it's more negligible than in typical use cases. Also, they're both 7nm, so I don't believe the normal efficiency deficit to have been much in the first place (maybe 10% at most), so adding a gpu working at 100% would make this a 3-4% difference at best in power consumption.
It is nice seeing handheld PC become a thing, hopefully Steam OS can be compactible using non stemdeck controller layout. many hardware can benefit from that OS, and of course preventing Steamdeck monopoly. cmiiw Steamdeck is opensource right?
Yeah its open source and Valves planning on releasing Steam OS as its own standalone operating system, so theres no real reason Handheld PCs couldnt use it.
@@gragogflying-anvil3605 steamOS already released to Public years before steamDeck, as a Freeware because it ship with Steam Client (game launcher), but some part what i know is open source.
You could save $100-150 by not shipping Windows too. Steam wants you to use the Store... the device is just a way to deliver that library on the go (shame you can't just use Steam library games on Android)
@@gotoastal That's due to android devices being based on arm primarily. If android smartphone chips got a rosetta 2 x86 isa translation layer like apple's m1 has, then android users may play pc games from steam on their smartphones eventually.
I can't stomach paying "enthusiast desktop PC prices" for a handheld non upgradeable PC. I think Valve knew this when they made the steam deck. I cant wait for it...
I'll be getting a Steam Deck, but the one thing I like about these other devices is definitely the screen. Not so much for gaming, but rather for when I watch stuff. The device's use as a mobile media player is important to me.
Man, I remember purchasing one of the early Intel XE laptops after hearing Linus excitedly talking about the future of small form factor performance. But the drivers, man. They sure are doing their thing. What a shame. Feeling a slight tinge, for not having waited for AMD's response. But that's the ever evolving tech industry for you, right?
I am pretty sure that the charging icon on one of the usb 3.2 ports is for pass trough charging, so you can charge your phone for instance even is the pc is turned of
Still not worth it compared to the Steam Deck. Too expensive and lacks the nice touchpads that will make native PC games without controller support much more comfy to play.
steam deck has faster memory speeds too I believe which should help ryzen, plus the lower resolution screen while worse looking should help with performance. If you want to watch movies on the go, better off going with an ipad mini, a laptop, your phone, or something like that.
@@ghostlegit From what I understand you can install Windows on it if you like. However, if you're just using it for playing games, and if your games are properly supported (which Valve is working pretty hard on) it doesn't have to change your experience.
Looks sick, pretty crazy good performance in a handheld. Although I kinda think they should have just stuck with native 1080p, that's good enough for that size of screen to get even better performance.
The desktop button, I think it depends on what program you're engaged in. When I'm playing resident evil 2 & 3 remakes I can't get away from those games at all without quitting through the menus. I can't even adjust the volume. I've yet to try ctrl+alt+del, but I think some games just won't let you go back to the desktop, maybe it's a steam thing.
@@FaridRudiansyah thank you. That sounds very possible. When playing I'm unable to bring up the on-screen keyboard. However, I do have the magnetic folding keyboard. I'll have to use alt+enter when needed, which isn't common unless I have to turn the volume down or up.
Every normal thought is telling me to get the Aya neo next, but that giant gaming beast keeps calling my name..but lordy even with my large handbag, that's a weapon to carry around
13:56 assuming the memory is running at the same speed, the steamdeck's 8 RDNA2 CUs running at only 1.6Ghz, will likely only slightly beat out the Vega 8 running at 2.0-2.1Ghz. But, this lower frequency and voltage should mean a significant reduction in power draw If my old 5700XT is anything to go by, where going from 2Ghz down to 1.6Ghz dropped almost 100w of power going to 138w down from 225w. Then again, this is RDNA2, not RDNA1 like the -5700G- 5700XT, and 2Ghz is an (auto)overclock for that card
@@Anon3000- I have DDR4 4933 CL17 on my 5700G, but thats running at 2.3Ghz. Like, yea, its way better than the normal 3200MT/s, but part of the reason this does so much better than 4266 LPDDR4x is because of the CL17 VS normally CL30. But clock for clock RDNA2 is ~20-30% faster than VegaII, however, the steamdeck is running at a 25% clock deficite over a 5800u. Now what i'm hoping is that, because RDNA2 often runs to 2.6Ghz, that the 1.6Ghz is just a battery saver mode, but we cant assume it will be getting a higher speed mode, so for now, only slightly better than a 5800u/5700g with good RAM
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 Correct, VegaII(based on the Radeon VII). And Yes, my point was that my 5700G, as well as the 5800u-4800u should have a faster GPU that the steamdeck because of the very low clock frequencies of the steamdeck. With this ~100USD kit of RAM (overclocked to 4933 CL17) 73GBps this RAM is on par with DDR5 5600CL40 (74GBps according to MSI), which is faster than the supposed speed of the steamdeck. This is all assuming that 1600Mhz is the fastest speed of the Steamdeck GPU, if there are turbo frequencies to 2Ghz, it would be ~25% faster than the VegaII 8 in the 5700G-5800u-4800u. If Valve/AMD wanted to, this GPU could easily hit 2600Mhz, but it would probably use 30-38w at this frequency. Personally, i'd love a turbo mode, even if it required you to be pluged into a charger. That speed should be good enough for nearly all 2019 and older games at 1080p medium or higher. With things like Forza horizon 5 maybe hitting 60FPS average at 1080p medium high mix. At 1.6Ghz, memory speed doesnt mean as much as if it were to hit 2.6Ghz
10:45 I think the buttons not working is just a DOOM Eternal thing, DOOM doesn't let me open the start menu when I'm in game and when using ALT + TAB it shows a more basic menu rather than the standard Windows 11 menu.
Now I wonder how long will it take for these to get the Ryzen 6k treatments as the iGPU with RDNA2 and 6nm node might be keys to great performance on such devices ;)
I’ll be glad when these reach mainstream so prices drop to reasonable levels. Sucks paying $1,000+ for what would be closer to $500 in a full sized laptop.
500$ for a laptop that can run Forza 5? Why even bother buying a next gen console if you can get portability and power for the same price, also pirating games. So, desktop power would be even less money? I botched by buying a series s then.
@@taung9535 Yes it is, what I'm saying is that my laptop is way bigger than this little thing, yet HP only managed to put a smaller battery in... realistically probably due to cost cutting.
It's OK Linus. I did the same thing (messed up the left trigger) when I upgraded to a 4 TB SSD. It was easy to fix, but also realized that I had a loose battery cable! Only my second computer that I took apart to upgrade, but it's a beaaaaa - utiful device. Also thinking about buying an Aya Neo.
Can we give Nintendo credit for making the form factor work? These things will obviously run circles around a Switch but the Switch definitely laid the ground work for these devices.
Compared to a Ryzen 6000 series CPU when that shows up you'll need a 35W low end GPU to compete most likely. That would neuter battery life so hard it's not worth it.
@@tormaid42 The GPD Win Max is the handheld with the highest power draw and it ships at 28W for the CPU maximum. What you're suggesting is a maximum of 42W. That's an extra 50% power consumption. In the case of a standard 47WHr battery for these handhelds, you'd get less than a single hour of gaming (the screen and other components also use about 7W). So no, still neutering battery life.
i would be willing to pay for somethin more powerful or better quality than the steam deck i most likely wouldn't unless it has the features of the new steam controller gyro aim and trackpads are a must
the tolerance on the shoulder is very tight when putting it back together, that's a common issue if you open it, had it happen to mine too. You can pry the case just a ... thin blonde one.. to get it back in position without opening it
Did I miss something, all these comparisons to the Aya Neo Next, but I don't recall Linus even reviewing that one, just the older Aya Neo Pro from last year that he reviewed this month.
Great review lad! The end made me laugh. I own the OneXplayer i7 1195g7. I love the unit and honestly I noticed very little video driver compatibility issues with any of my over 100 AAA games on Steam. Mind you, I'm running Windows 11 with the very latest iteration of the Intel Xe drivers. That certainly played a part in increased stability.
$1400 for this thing? With Steam Deck coming in a month for $400? I genuinely wonder what kind of audience they're even targetting with this price-to-performance.
Since there’s a bunch of these handheld computers out and available now, can we please get a roundup video of all of them compared. Hard to keep it all straight through all the videos.
The problem with the "Show Desktop" button is a Windows problem and depends on the game. Different games handle alt-tabbing and show-desktop in different ways. Skyrim is the hardest game I have ever had to minimize soo far; only way it works is to Crtl-Alt-Delete.
The joysticks look like they have a lot of throw/range, which is really nice to see on a handheld. Even some regular controllers don't give you enough fine control. But the fact that they're asymmetrical makes me lose a lot of interest.
I'm new! And... I'm curious! At 12:12 there's an overlay about system details. And I'm wondering what software is that (and I'm thinking... "sorry, you probably get asked this a lot...").
All these pc handhelds look so much better than the Steamdeck (screen to controller ratio) but the steam deck gets the best processor. I would prefer a Steamdeck (processor, hardware) with this big screen and smaller controller much more
The portability is the point. That's sorta like asking "whats the advantage of a laptop vs a mini-pc + portable monitor, besides more portability" A dedicated portable is an attractive value proposition to a lot of people.
I can imagine that the future of LAN parties with handheld gaming computers like this would be a cool thing. Everyone would be more flexibel and they all support dongle for ethernet and power course. Only thing is that everyone would have to play controller games, not m/k. But I think it's very cool
Because of the chance for very portable pcvr and the low cost, I’m waiting for the steam deck and am very excited when it comes out. Love seeing all the other options though, and ready to have my choice changed any day.
Does it have bluetooth functionality? As much as I would like one, with how big it is I think I would want to hook up an external controller to it and play it on a tabletop, and not having a cord hang over the screen would be nice.
Note: Linus mistakenly states that the 5700U processor is a Zen 3 processor; it's actually a Zen 2. Sorry for the mix-up!
Rookie lol
5000 series = zen 2 for some reason. Thanks amd
2:30 calls micro sd card slot micro usb
Ah good to know, I already thought all of my knowledge about Ryzen 5000 mobile was wrong
@@whatistruth_1 - Only the U versions of the 5000 series are Zen 2. All other 5000 series chips use Zen 3.
Linus: I can't believe I broke it.
Everyone: I can.
LMAOOOOO
Wow these bots won't stop
I can't believe it's not butter
Didn't even break it, just didn't seat the trigger properly when reassembling. Bit of a clickbaity title :/
Damn bots sure believe
Man PC handhelds have really come far
Bots sure do like you man.
Bruh, bots straight up have the big bad nono word and TH-cam let's them stay. And well, yeah handles I feel like are going to be something really common in some years maybe as much as some consoles
so does mobile phones.
ok captain obvious
Do you mean in price, right?
I can't get anything done because LMG releases like 24 hours of content every 24h
Bruh.... These bots
@@salmanbehen4384 lol youtube algorithm have a hard time learning all the new variations lol they are playing cat and mouse at this point.
Nah they release 48 hours a day
Yes but that's only AFTER the 24th hour! Leaving only twenty three hours! Plenty of time! To think about what content LMG will put up next!
As would Linus say:"LMG mounted and loaded... with today's sponsor..."
Keep the handhelds coming, more competition is great to see. And yeah, no surprise that Linus broke it.
Also, I’m pretty sure you meant to say microSD rather than microUSB.
Damn bots, no worries Linus we will report them out of existence
Good call, they are everywhere. 😠
@@amystery5238 I feel like they do, but I feel like somehow they keep evading the algorithms, it is wild, but I can't wait until the bots start reporting each other lol
I am stoked to see this market over the next couple of years, I would much rather have one of these over a laptop if they continue to get better.
Breaking a LOT of stuff today, eh? From servers to game machines, you are a one man wrecking crew Linus 🙃
Report these bots guys
@@superslimanoniem4712 Please!! This is annoying!
*wrecking .....
@@Moon_Presence You're right, of course, but I'm too lazy to edit it 🤣 (or not...)
remember when he broke Andy's bed too
Remember how long we were stuck on dual cores for laptops and Intel was kinda like bah you don't need more, and then eventually we got quads only for bigger systems, and then in a whirr we can get 8 cores in a handheld like this?? Thanks competition, thanks AMD.
The competition is also within the good sales of the Nintendo Switch. Before all people had been kinda Nah you don't need mobile you have consoles and/or PC...
i feel like we need a full LTT video on all the best portable gaming system options once the steam deck has arrived. I'm kinda losing track of all the different manufacturers and models 😅
Yes, absolutely. I'm sure that this is already in their planners, I bet they have a LOT lined up for Steam Deck. I feel like a final comparison would be silly to not include.
if it ever arrives xd
@@toiletfx5679 we're in Q1, when they're due to release the first batch. No delays or announcements on anything of the sort by now is promising.
The steam deck is head and shoulders above the rest on APU power so far. I'm an AYA owner but fully intend to upgrade to the deck once I get to the front of the line.
@@demonguard Until the new 6000 series mobile apus get implemented 😁
I have the Intel version of this device. I only have a couple of minor issues but nothing bad.
Is the resolution ever a problem? It's higher than 1080p but, especially with Intel, the integrated graphics are mid spec at best. The ryzen would play better I assume
@@rajgill7576 800p is an integer scale of 1600p. Most recent games run great at 800p
Idk why i wanna buy but i want to xD
@@rajgill7576 I run all my games at 800p 1280x800 half the native screen resolution and it looks great. You gain performance and it's not an issue or anything, it's better this way as you gain frames per second.
@Aryan Kohli yes, totally. Both on Intel and AMD version
FYI, the odd numbered 5000 series Ryzen U and H are actually rebranded 4000 series. Yes a 5700u is better than a 4700u, but thats only because the 5700u us quite literally the 4800u
Note the G line of desktop processors are not included in this for some reason, its a shame, i would have loved a $200 5500G thats really a 4650G without AMD PSB
Source?
Only 5500u and 5700u are zen2, others are zen3
5700u is is faster and has faster graphics then 4800u
@@HouseOfBard It is the same processor, with slight frequency bump, 100Mhz on the core(2%), and 150Mhz on the GPU(8%) They are both Zen2 parts with no change other than the slight overclock 8 cores 16 threads, and 8 CUs
5800u on the other hand is not Zen2, but Zen3 has an extra 100Mhz on the CPU and GPU over the 5700u. Because it is Zen3, it is about 10-20% faster CPU at the same clock speed, meaning it is close to 13-23% faster with the better IPC, and core clocks. While the GPU is only faster than the 5700u by 5%, it does overclock better if the BIOS allows.
If all you care about is GPU performance then yea its not that different, but CPU performance is closer to the 5600u than 5800u
I have a 4750GE, and a 5700G, both with their GPUs at 2000Mhz and the GPU performance difference is hardly noticable. though the motherboard for the 5700G allows me to OC to 2300Mhz and run RAM at 4933CL17, and with this OC it is vastly superior, closer to a GTX1050 2GB than the Vega8 in the 4750GE
I think this kind of handheld gaming thing's will be much more powerful when they have 6000 series api with rdna 2 graphics, cause those graphs shown by amd wasn't supposed to be wrong 😶
yea id wait for the 6000 series with rdna2
Holding out for 6800U.
@@nayyarrashid4661 6950U*
The price will be interesting as the Steam Deck is so cheap. An 8 core RDNA2 will be more, but how much more?
@@_TheElMan Valve is eating a lot of the cost on that though. But if we could get a good model for about $1000, that’s a solid “premium” option if people want to pay for it.
I love how all the handheld manufacturers are trying to get these units out before the gabe deck hits.
Steam Deck isn't going to have much stock for awhile so it's not a big concern. By the time it does, these devices will blow the Deck away in power with the 6800U models
@@JS-kb4bk I doubt it’ll make much difference with sales, they’ll still be more than double the price of the Deck
and no one is gonna buy them, cuz they are literally 1300-1400 dollars products while the steamdeck with similar, if not better performance is around 600. I understand these companies can't price their products anywhere near the steamdeck, but then again, that's not our fault, the vast majority of consumers will look at these and a steamdeck and when they see the price difference they are gonna yeet these ones 300 miles away and jump in the store brawl for the last steamdeck on the shelves at msrp.
They've been making these for a few years now. Them releasing now models, at the start of the year no less, is hardly some reaction to a delayed first gen product (seriously, you can't just change dates like that on such short notice).
And as Linus repeatedly says: most people are not going to be among the first to get Steam Decks, and people who now want one are not going to get one any time soon.
@@FiddyBee People are and will buy them. Are now, because there is no Steam Deck to buy. Will, because for most people there still won't be Steam Decks to buy. And by late this year, these devices will have 6000 series chips and be better.
okay update i bought this because i simply couldn't be bothered waiting on the steamdeck plus the "1440p" ish screen was a great selling point.
Installed retroarch and poked around a few games. Amazing stuff! There is a warning i've heard that some windows updates might mess up the controller buttons, forcing you to have to wipe and restart everything. that's not good. Suggest that you install something like anydesk or teamviewer so you can control the device remotely in case this happens. Also maybe pause windows updates a month at a time (it let me pause it for 5 weeks) once you have everything set up. So as long as you have good AV, or you don't do anything dumb (get AV) there's no reason for a driver update or windows system update.
So happy with the purchase. It is pretty heavy and enormous though! wow
I wonder how well the SteamOS would operate on these other devices. it would be cool to see it become the standard for devices like this.
Ye would be a great deal for standardization and therefore compatibility and availability!
I'm curious how these devices and the general competition will evolve
I really wonder about how that goes though, I'd imagine some of the companies behind these wouldn't be too happy to use their main competitor's operating system.
@@nolankanski9116 could turn out like with google and Android. Everyone making their own versions based upon the original and the original has it's own product.
Edit:
And since steam is quite the market the competitors could offer their devices with "guaranteed steam client compatibility" but other ergonomics, designs and/or specs and therefore pushing their own brands with a big name on a big market while valve profits from more games getting made for SteamOS and therefore more compatibility which again leads to more potential customers and so on
there will probably more exclusivity when epic and microsoft make similar OS for their games with certain systems locked with a OS
That’s what steam want ms
Its crazy that these handhelds are getting more powerful then my desktop.
@Dobbies Revenge its a typo jeez🙄
@@fredwaywalls4686we got teachers in here correcting shiT 🤣
@@blastu2fool ikr
I think one big problem with these devices are that they are spec'd to combos of standard CPU/I-GPU packages.
To keep both price and heat down, you want to get an entry level CPU but want the highest performing I-GPU, but you can't pick and choose because it comes integrated from Intel/AMD.
The steam deck has them all beat, because its packing RDNA 2 graphics whilst having just a "good enough" cpu. This not only lowers price, but beats the more expensive competition on both performance (stronger GPU matters a lot more than CPU) and cooling.
This, untill AMD releases something like the steam deck's APU, and lpddr5 becomes widely available, Valve cannot be beat
These handhelds with higher end CPUs are more suited to RTS and productivity than general gaming
@@roqeyt3566 AMD has always had the ability to develop custom silicone for customers (think Xbox and PlayStation) but they will only do so for very large customers with equally large orders.
But they aren't ever going to do so for a tiny niche product.
I do think alternatives to steam deck will become more competitive on value as rdna 2 becomes standard on APUs, but that's assuming that valve doesn't release a "gen 2" device of its own with better specs.
@@roqeyt3566 LPDDR5 is widely available, but no idea whether the APU (Van Gogh) in Steam Deck is available for others (some rumors say it will be)
@@defeqel6537 you're right on lpddr5 being widely available, just haven't seen any APUs fit with it
I do hope AMD releases similar products for OEMS though, next gen 6-8 cores with a similar graphical architecture would be nice
@@JimIBobIJones AMD in the past has been like that for sure
Not sure if Lisa Su will continue doing that when they feel comfortable enough with their market share and financial situation.
Old FX days AMD was shite, almost drove them to bankruptcy, the main question will be if they'll stick to the big markets when they've settled in again
Oh look, Linus can't believe his natural ability to break every single piece of hardware with just a single touch...
My heart can't handle the way he grabs those thumbsticks to pick it up... 0:07
7:38 he's using it in power saving fan mode. (Option above the resolutions) This leaves a lot of power on the table
He admitted that and changed it right after lol
@@ashar8192 No, only changed the TDP from power saving into High. But leaves the fan mode still on power saving. Again, there is also a toggle right above the resolutions to change that. And the difference is huge. Sure it gets louder but oh boy does it run smoother
@@SaschaB2B oh didn't know that! Intel Xe is indeed a very powerful architecture, but bottlenecked by Intel's bad drivers
This thing costs $1400. You'd be absolutely crazy to buy something like this unless you're hardcore on handheld systems and rich.
Quite of an expensive price to pay for portability, eh?
$1400 ?? Holy shit
Yea just imagine when you wear out the joystick. I sure it is fixable but seems kind of crazy.
@@funmaster4632 yeah that would just suck. I never understood why handheld systems never implemented a software deadzone for joysticks. If it starts drifting you can increase the deadzone with software and effectively remove drifting. Emulators have had this option for years now idk why it hasn't become mainstream. They could literally implement this in a week
@@Pennycilin3 yeah just like laptops, both are ridiculously overpriced in the high end, there's no value for the average gamer
7:27 In addition to the extra cooling, one thing that Ryzen APUs really love is memory frequency. My 5700G runs close to a GTX 1050 2GB in several games with 4933CL17 RAM, but that is with a 400Mhz (20%) overclock on the GPU, and the 1050 2GB is probably being held back by only 2GB of VRAM, where as the 5700G can use all 16GB however it chooses
Sheesh, what ram kit did you manually oc to that monster?
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Patriot Viper Steel 4400C19, 2 different kits
Worked both on an Asrock B550 phantom gaming itx and asus rox strix b550i gaming AC. Got close to 4800CL19 on some B450 boards but mostly limited to 4400-4200 especially if it wasnt an ITX board, even B550 ATX struggled above 4400
Make a custom resolution profile in Radeon settings at 800p and then turn on integer scaling as well, and you get pixel perfect squares at half the resolution of native.
This
Quarter resolution*
I wonder how these things will perform once they have their ryzen 6000 mobile with RDNA 2
Itll be amazing
Better, I wager
The RDNA 2 and DDR5 memory pairing is going to be a game changer in handhelds and ultra lights.
I expect a double in raw GPU power, I hope Aya release another X600 version like the original with 4600U.
Still worse than the gtx970 from 2014.
Actually the downgrade from a 5800 to a 5700 is a pretty massive one, going from Zen2 to Zen3 was a massive jump both in mobile and desktop so its kinda sad that they didnt use the 5800 for that massive price, that alone is a no go for me
Honestly cpu cores shouldn't make much of a difference when the gpu will most likely be the bottleneck. However, it is still quite disappointing because the 5800u has higher gpu clocks too, and, as you said, it's not cheap either.
@@leonro i agree with you, if it was 200 bucks less would be ok, but its almost 100 dollars more than an already quite expensive device
@@leonro also i feel like the efficiency of Zen 3 might give the GPU more power/thermal headroom? So it would've been a good boost all around
@@andrewd3899 Ye, would be taking advantage of the beefy cooling more effectively
@@andrewd3899 I'm not sure how much more efficient Zen 3 is, but it won't be running at full capacity due to gpu bottleneck so it's more negligible than in typical use cases. Also, they're both 7nm, so I don't believe the normal efficiency deficit to have been much in the first place (maybe 10% at most), so adding a gpu working at 100% would make this a 3-4% difference at best in power consumption.
It is nice seeing handheld PC become a thing, hopefully Steam OS can be compactible using non stemdeck controller layout. many hardware can benefit from that OS, and of course preventing Steamdeck monopoly. cmiiw Steamdeck is opensource right?
Yeah its open source and Valves planning on releasing Steam OS as its own standalone operating system, so theres no real reason Handheld PCs couldnt use it.
SteamOS is open source (needs to be when released), but the Deck itself is not (in terms of hardware I guess).
@@gragogflying-anvil3605 steamOS already released to Public years before steamDeck, as a Freeware because it ship with Steam Client (game launcher), but some part what i know is open source.
You could save $100-150 by not shipping Windows too. Steam wants you to use the Store... the device is just a way to deliver that library on the go (shame you can't just use Steam library games on Android)
@@gotoastal That's due to android devices being based on arm primarily. If android smartphone chips got a rosetta 2 x86 isa translation layer like apple's m1 has, then android users may play pc games from steam on their smartphones eventually.
I can't stomach paying "enthusiast desktop PC prices" for a handheld non upgradeable PC. I think Valve knew this when they made the steam deck. I cant wait for it...
I'm surprised there was no correction when Linus called the Micro SD a Micro USB. The editors are usually pretty good at catching that
I'll be getting a Steam Deck, but the one thing I like about these other devices is definitely the screen.
Not so much for gaming, but rather for when I watch stuff. The device's use as a mobile media player is important to me.
Love the LTT colors
Man, I remember purchasing one of the early Intel XE laptops after hearing Linus excitedly talking about the future of small form factor performance.
But the drivers, man. They sure are doing their thing. What a shame.
Feeling a slight tinge, for not having waited for AMD's response. But that's the ever evolving tech industry for you, right?
RDNA2 based systems are about to be released, anything running vega graphics is ancient now.
I am pretty sure that the charging icon on one of the usb 3.2 ports is for pass trough charging, so you can charge your phone for instance even is the pc is turned of
I will personally wait til ryzen 6000 version will be out. RDNA2 will be huge for this market!
i picked up a onexplayer from the indigogo over the summer. the i7 model. 6 months later and its still a great machine
Still not worth it compared to the Steam Deck. Too expensive and lacks the nice touchpads that will make native PC games without controller support much more comfy to play.
I agree. The Steam Deck will succeed due to price alone imo, it's just a nice bonus that Valve also has RDNA 2 and twice as many input methods lol
I agree in principle, but competition is ALWAYS better! Definitely looking forward to the steam deck
steam deck has faster memory speeds too I believe which should help ryzen, plus the lower resolution screen while worse looking should help with performance.
If you want to watch movies on the go, better off going with an ipad mini, a laptop, your phone, or something like that.
Too bad the steam deck has Linux installed
@@ghostlegit From what I understand you can install Windows on it if you like. However, if you're just using it for playing games, and if your games are properly supported (which Valve is working pretty hard on) it doesn't have to change your experience.
so hyped für LTT getting the Steam Deck soon!
LTT already visited valve hq and played the steam deck for a while
Looks sick, pretty crazy good performance in a handheld. Although I kinda think they should have just stuck with native 1080p, that's good enough for that size of screen to get even better performance.
Linus: *tests performance and capabilities*
Windows: I suppose you would like to A C T I V A T E M E
I'm actually really impressed, I have a laptop (that's currently dead) and a backup desktop but I still want one.
Wdym by “dead” , exactly
This is getting crazier and I freaking love it!!
The desktop button, I think it depends on what program you're engaged in. When I'm playing resident evil 2 & 3 remakes I can't get away from those games at all without quitting through the menus. I can't even adjust the volume. I've yet to try ctrl+alt+del, but I think some games just won't let you go back to the desktop, maybe it's a steam thing.
I think because of "full borderless window"
Try alt+enter to make it windowed (works on some games) and then Win+D
@@FaridRudiansyah thank you. That sounds very possible. When playing I'm unable to bring up the on-screen keyboard. However, I do have the magnetic folding keyboard. I'll have to use alt+enter when needed, which isn't common unless I have to turn the volume down or up.
Every normal thought is telling me to get the Aya neo next, but that giant gaming beast keeps calling my name..but lordy even with my large handbag, that's a weapon to carry around
13:56 assuming the memory is running at the same speed, the steamdeck's 8 RDNA2 CUs running at only 1.6Ghz, will likely only slightly beat out the Vega 8 running at 2.0-2.1Ghz. But, this lower frequency and voltage should mean a significant reduction in power draw If my old 5700XT is anything to go by, where going from 2Ghz down to 1.6Ghz dropped almost 100w of power going to 138w down from 225w. Then again, this is RDNA2, not RDNA1 like the -5700G- 5700XT, and 2Ghz is an (auto)overclock for that card
The steam deck will have LPDDR5 5500 MT/s, so I expect considerably better GPU performance.
@@Anon3000- I have DDR4 4933 CL17 on my 5700G, but thats running at 2.3Ghz. Like, yea, its way better than the normal 3200MT/s, but part of the reason this does so much better than 4266 LPDDR4x is because of the CL17 VS normally CL30. But clock for clock RDNA2 is ~20-30% faster than VegaII, however, the steamdeck is running at a 25% clock deficite over a 5800u. Now what i'm hoping is that, because RDNA2 often runs to 2.6Ghz, that the 1.6Ghz is just a battery saver mode, but we cant assume it will be getting a higher speed mode, so for now, only slightly better than a 5800u/5700g with good RAM
The 5700G has a Vega iGPU.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 Correct, VegaII(based on the Radeon VII). And Yes, my point was that my 5700G, as well as the 5800u-4800u should have a faster GPU that the steamdeck because of the very low clock frequencies of the steamdeck.
With this ~100USD kit of RAM (overclocked to 4933 CL17) 73GBps this RAM is on par with DDR5 5600CL40 (74GBps according to MSI), which is faster than the supposed speed of the steamdeck.
This is all assuming that 1600Mhz is the fastest speed of the Steamdeck GPU, if there are turbo frequencies to 2Ghz, it would be ~25% faster than the VegaII 8 in the 5700G-5800u-4800u. If Valve/AMD wanted to, this GPU could easily hit 2600Mhz, but it would probably use 30-38w at this frequency. Personally, i'd love a turbo mode, even if it required you to be pluged into a charger. That speed should be good enough for nearly all 2019 and older games at 1080p medium or higher. With things like Forza horizon 5 maybe hitting 60FPS average at 1080p medium high mix.
At 1.6Ghz, memory speed doesnt mean as much as if it were to hit 2.6Ghz
@@denvera1g1 we'll have to see what people make of it, there's a lot more going on with the Deck than the hardware.
This is the same feeling I got from the 2021 version of the Zephyrus G14 to the 2022 CES Version
I wish they could’ve done more emulator tests on things like these
Both intel and AMD work great for emulation, i have the intel model and use it for switch, original xbox, gamecube and PS3
@@prodigy455 Is U Using Yuzu For Switch Emulation?
@@williambecton8833 yea, only have a few games installed but all work fine but as always zelda botw can chug at times
@@prodigy455 good for you I can't get any games to work on it 😩
@@williambecton8833 youve got your key files added? and the latest drivers?
10:45 I think the buttons not working is just a DOOM Eternal thing, DOOM doesn't let me open the start menu when I'm in game and when using ALT + TAB it shows a more basic menu rather than the standard Windows 11 menu.
Now I wonder how long will it take for these to get the Ryzen 6k treatments as the iGPU with RDNA2 and 6nm node might be keys to great performance on such devices ;)
Nice to see the Gamegear making a comeback
I’ll be glad when these reach mainstream so prices drop to reasonable levels. Sucks paying $1,000+ for what would be closer to $500 in a full sized laptop.
500$ for a laptop that can run Forza 5? Why even bother buying a next gen console if you can get portability and power for the same price, also pirating games. So, desktop power would be even less money? I botched by buying a series s then.
Why is this smol thing better than my pc for half the price. “Sad internal noises”
5700u is literally rebranded 4800u with only difference being 1750->1900mhz igpu. Wish it had a zen3 5600u, it would be much more balanced.
Need a little help I have an old laptop with gtx 1050 2gb is it worth me getting this?
@@aaronmackenzie1605 no
I like that flesh tone watch strip and sides, it makes the watch look like its coming out your skin, very Cyberpunk.
2:27 micro usb? i think not.
It's micro USB but without the U and B plus upgraded with a D on the end.
8:28 Love Linus imitating Jayz' iFixit ad
How does this have a larger battery than my 15.6 inch laptop from 2020...
Seriously. I'm furious right now lmao
That’s not how batteries ratings work
@@taung9535 Yes it is, what I'm saying is that my laptop is way bigger than this little thing, yet HP only managed to put a smaller battery in... realistically probably due to cost cutting.
@@why_though what’s the size of your laptop battery?
It's OK Linus. I did the same thing (messed up the left trigger) when I upgraded to a 4 TB SSD. It was easy to fix, but also realized that I had a loose battery cable! Only my second computer that I took apart to upgrade, but it's a beaaaaa - utiful device. Also thinking about buying an Aya Neo.
Can we give Nintendo credit for making the form factor work? These things will obviously run circles around a Switch but the Switch definitely laid the ground work for these devices.
Best bet would be to run games at lower res if needed and enable ris in the driver to help bring back some sharpness
I really want to see someone put low end dedicated GPUs in one of these
I want to see that as well, but probably there will be thermal issues
Compared to a Ryzen 6000 series CPU when that shows up you'll need a 35W low end GPU to compete most likely. That would neuter battery life so hard it's not worth it.
A 7w ultra low power cpu and a ~35w class dedicated GPU wouldn’t be far off their current power usage and I think could be faster in a lot of games.
@@tormaid42 The GPD Win Max is the handheld with the highest power draw and it ships at 28W for the CPU maximum.
What you're suggesting is a maximum of 42W. That's an extra 50% power consumption. In the case of a standard 47WHr battery for these handhelds, you'd get less than a single hour of gaming (the screen and other components also use about 7W).
So no, still neutering battery life.
11:29 A button to switch between game and desktop controls?! 😍 That's ingenious!
i would be willing to pay for somethin more powerful or better quality than the steam deck i most likely wouldn't unless it has the features of the new steam controller gyro aim and trackpads are a must
the tolerance on the shoulder is very tight when putting it back together, that's a common issue if you open it, had it happen to mine too. You can pry the case just a ... thin blonde one.. to get it back in position without opening it
I think 5700U is Zen2 and 5800U is Zen3...
Yep, we already had a pin comment about the mix-up
Did I miss something, all these comparisons to the Aya Neo Next, but I don't recall Linus even reviewing that one, just the older Aya Neo Pro from last year that he reviewed this month.
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing watching this video.
That video will be coming out within a couple of weeks.
Excited for Steam Deck!! Stuck in quarter 2 though ;-;
Same here. People will be waiting for their reservations into next year
A Ryzen 6000 series version of this would be incredible. With the RDNA 2 intergated GPU, it'll be great for modern games too.
I want this with thunderbolt. That way it's my gaming machine on the go, and my 4k gaming station when i dock it at home
There's a handheld with thunderbolt, but it's the Intel version not the amd one
Great review lad! The end made me laugh. I own the OneXplayer i7 1195g7. I love the unit and honestly I noticed very little video driver compatibility issues with any of my over 100 AAA games on Steam. Mind you, I'm running Windows 11 with the very latest iteration of the Intel Xe drivers. That certainly played a part in increased stability.
$1400 for this thing? With Steam Deck coming in a month for $400? I genuinely wonder what kind of audience they're even targetting with this price-to-performance.
Do you have a Steamdeck yet? It's been 5 months.
It will be interesting to see how the Steam Deck compares to all the current generation of handhelds.
I believe it knowing you 😂
5:50 ... busy? Bro that thing is going to die in a city race, that's a nope from me right there.
I have high hopes for newer models in the future tho.
being a last gen console player, consistent 50-60fps is a great thing.... i cant wait to try it
Since there’s a bunch of these handheld computers out and available now, can we please get a roundup video of all of them compared. Hard to keep it all straight through all the videos.
The problem with the "Show Desktop" button is a Windows problem and depends on the game. Different games handle alt-tabbing and show-desktop in different ways. Skyrim is the hardest game I have ever had to minimize soo far; only way it works is to Crtl-Alt-Delete.
9:53 running an 8TB ssd on one of these is such a Linus thing to do
This is the only one I'm considering after I get my steam deck. Hopefully these will flood the used market as newer versions are released.
"Where my plugs at?" Would have been a perfect Segway to a sponsor or a lttstore drop
all those handhelds just make me more hyped for the Steam Deck. End of February !!! :)
I preordered my steam deck all the way back in July I’m sooooo stoked
Imagine being so rich that you are totally fine with spending $1300 on storage for a handheld.
The music towards the end of the video is sunset drive by future joust
Linus called it a "Passionate Gamer" because, gaming is the power.
The joysticks look like they have a lot of throw/range, which is really nice to see on a handheld. Even some regular controllers don't give you enough fine control.
But the fact that they're asymmetrical makes me lose a lot of interest.
I'm new! And... I'm curious! At 12:12 there's an overlay about system details. And I'm wondering what software is that (and I'm thinking... "sorry, you probably get asked this a lot...").
If it had rear buttons and the sticks where symmetrical, I'd legit consider getting this.
All these pc handhelds look so much better than the Steamdeck (screen to controller ratio) but the steam deck gets the best processor. I would prefer a Steamdeck (processor, hardware) with this big screen and smaller controller much more
And you know. These are more than twice the price.
I need an 8 inch Full HD screen with RDNA 2. This would be the Ultimate portable gaming experience
I'm glad I backed the Odin, with gamestreaming... I don't see much of a use for this, at that price, for that size.
So Ayaneo Next review is coming sooner than I thought
Without even watching the video, just based on the title, my immediate thought was:
"I can"
I dreamed about hand held gaming device to play every game possible when I was a kid and here it is
What is the advantage of something like this and the steam deck compared to getting a gaming laptop at like 13”/14” besides more portability?
The portability is the point.
That's sorta like asking "whats the advantage of a laptop vs a mini-pc + portable monitor, besides more portability"
A dedicated portable is an attractive value proposition to a lot of people.
I can't wait to see Linus review The Steam Deck!!!
I can imagine that the future of LAN parties with handheld gaming computers like this would be a cool thing. Everyone would be more flexibel and they all support dongle for ethernet and power course. Only thing is that everyone would have to play controller games, not m/k. But I think it's very cool
Because of the chance for very portable pcvr and the low cost, I’m waiting for the steam deck and am very excited when it comes out. Love seeing all the other options though, and ready to have my choice changed any day.
Does it have bluetooth functionality? As much as I would like one, with how big it is I think I would want to hook up an external controller to it and play it on a tabletop, and not having a cord hang over the screen would be nice.
Linus : "I cannot believe I broke it"
Me who never doubted Linus even once.
Still lovin my GPD Win 3!! Will only upgrade with an AMD model once they get rdna 2/3 in these handhelds
6:48 SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
"Can you even hear that Andy?"
XD