Hi 👋 Brothers & Sisters, love you all, peace & everlasting love, 🌎 says, Dont stop, never give up, you are all roots to prosperity. All those out there no good for me had better change their ways because ime evolving to eradicate them, I been tolerant for too long, they so greedy they like an hungry horse in a field with an abundance of food & still they hungry, & they so poor, all they got is 💰. Love the togetherness of Extinction Rebellion ❤🫂
Many of us have wanted XR to be more angry about politics & more active in challenging the 'system' so this is such a fabulous shift to raise awareness of the lack of democracy, lack of integrity in politics & the effect of capitalism in reducing the role of the citizen in running of their country
Je sais que tout ce que vous faites est excellent, malheureusement je comprends pas beaucoup l'anglais et j'aimerai bien si vous pouvez nous faire une traduction en français !! Merci pour tout ce que vous faites !! Mes respects et salutations de l'Algérie
Should it be acknowledged that this is really an inward-looking event? The climate and ecological crisis only gets a brief mention at 12:30, so how is this action connected to a motivating purpose? XR wants to get the words 'Upgrade Democracy' in the media and so slightly shift people's perceptions. However, the existence and subject of a large assembly suggests that what 'upgrade Democracy' means hasn't actually been decided yet, so concerned are people to demonstrate a commitment to consensus. A similar thing happened at The Big One: it was good for making connections between activists, but the idea of presenting specific, inspiring demands to Parliament fizzled out in the rain. I'm sure it will be a good event, and very creative, but how does it bring in people beyond those wanting a quick camping break before the schools go back? What's missing is maybe the external context: a special IPCC report and leadership from a Swedish schoolkid. The ecocidal establishment has adapted to XR. It's time to be more realistic about the anti-democratic forces we face, absolutely. But the XR vision and three demands are overdue for a refresh. People can vote with their feet.
While corporate power seems able to tolerate the climate movement (have we even dented share prices?), we can't tolerate the continuing exacerbation of threats to life on Earth. Personally, I know we can't give up, I just don't know what to do. 'When action grows unprofitable, gather information; when information grows unprofitable, sleep.' - Ursula LeGuin. Are we having the right conversations?
@Fish_N_Chips_Dude I think you've posted many brief, disapproving remarks on XR & JSO channels. Maybe you should be involved in the Massembly in Windsor or online yourself to learn through interaction. In any case, you've given me a prompt to write a considered reply. There are long traditions of eco-socialism, eco-anarchism, social ecology etc (and at least one publication called 'the Watermelon') that I'm not the most qualified person to describe, but I can remark from what I do know, Firstly, if you're referring to the Rising Up! group, it contributed bright sparks and ideas about tactics, but as with wildfires in Greece and California you also need the conditions and fuel to start the fire. That is the much larger group of people who are aware of the tiny remaining carbon budgets, declines in species abundance etc and rightly see business as usual as leading us blindly into a minefield or ice field; the conditions were as I described above, that increasing awareness and lack of even a token response by governments. Many have moved on from XR, but could return depending on the action. Secondly, you can find the old Rising Up website on Wayback Machine and look at their manifesto. It is not anti-capitalist but is anti-neoliberal, indeed draws on multiple civil resistance traditions, and with policies like land value tax and integrating many mentions of ecology, is strongly reminiscent of Green party policies, just not as a party platform. The exact relationship between capitalism and climate breakdown and between socialism and climate justice is an area of active discussion. Carbon fee and dividend may be an effective policy that doesn't necessarily mean any major changes to the basis of capitalism, just to its technology. On the other hand, evidence suggests supporting equality and indigenous rights also supports pro-environmental behaviour and transition without anyone suffering unduly. If you go right back to 1972, Teddy Goldsmith was hardly a class warrior, but 'Blueprint for Survival' makes clear that equality, and the informed democracy that depends on it, are needed for sustainable societies. Chomsky, a left libertarian, made what I think is a good point that the climate crisis is too urgent to rely on social transformation to community ownership, and so the physical transition must take place in the world as it is, while also engaging workers and building worker power. So you actually find a confluence of those motivated by social justice issues and maybe some variety of Marxism, and those coming from ecological movements. In fact, there have been many criticisms that Extinction Rebellion doesn't have a unifying political philosophy, or isn't anti-capitalist enough, or isn't anti-colonial enough. As I understand it, Dr Gail Bradbrook came to Rising Up and XR largely through concerns with animal rights. Others, like Roger Hallam, saw social change and sustainability as inseparable. But these are only a few individuals, and thousands have brought their own ideas, bound by a few common principles like nonviolence and humility. (Indeed citizens' assemblies, now also a campaign of Assemble and Humanity Project, do not appear in the Rising Up draft manifesto, which instead cites 'liquid democracy'.) It's not left-wing to want 'to secure a liveable future for all'. Anyone who looks at the lack of progress might fear that unless some of us stand up, the future will be Elon Musk's descendants emerging starving from their bunker to a dying Biosphere One.
@@Fish_N_Chips_Dude_Blocked You're welcome, although the bulk of what I wrote wasn't principally for your benefit, more to add history to the main comment. However, it would be good if you could sincerely explicate what motivates you to leave your comments.
@@SofGdggd-xt9lw This is a really helpful read; thanks for making the time to share it. There are individuals who'd rather point and criticise - easy to do - instead of sitting and seriously thinking about the state this world is in, what got us here, and what we can do to try and mitigate against the worst of it. That requires much more effort.
@@gillywillybythesea Thank you for reading and for your kind comment. I did worry my own comments might be taken as too critical or disheartening, but I really put them out there with a hope for transparent dialogue and not critical of planners or crew. I also recognise that the event needs wide participation and people to sign up for tasks. XR has achieved important gains, and a proliferation of local and specialist groups will be a further legacy regardless of how many continue to rebel against the sixth extinction as XR. There are a lot of books out there suggesting directions for the climate and ecology movement (like Lynne Jones's 'Sorry for the Inconvenience but this is an Emergency') that I haven't had time to read yet. I would appreciate any further thoughts from anyone, as I see no reason to wait for the Massembly.
Invite Russell Brand! He has 6m+ followers on his independent media channel and his main focus is on upgrading the way we are governed to put power back into the hands of the people
Brand does seem to have gone off the deep end in an effort to attract his conspiracist audience, but some charismatic or fiery speakers would be a draw. One of the main reasons power isn't in the hands of the people is that it's in the hands of the corporations and super-rich.
@@SofGdggd-xt9lw The difference between a conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is about 6 months over the last few years. The journalism is very good and covers what the mainstream mockingbird media don't. We need coverage that the people who are looking for the truth will watch. Ergo not the legacy lot who ignore XR protests
@@Caplabati That's probably another drawback with Russell Brand. Could try other well-known anti-monarchist comedians: Jo Brand, Mark Steel, Stewart Lee, Steve Coogan, Rob Newman. People like Simon Amstell and Benedict Cumberbatch joined XR in Trafalgar Square when moved to, and some of this list (not sure why it's so male) are already outspoken on the climate and ecological emergency. Websites suggest other republican celebs: Philip Pullman, Daniel Radcliffe, Colin Firth, Danny Boyle, Johnny Marr. However, as I say in another comment, it's not yet determined what constitutional changes would be involved in upgrading democracy. It's ambiguous whether the even is anti-monarchist, even if it may draw republicans and anarchists. It's particularly unclear as there's a plan to deliver letters from citizens (or subjects) to Charles. A lot of Britons are loyal to the royals, and indeed the constitutional bedrock is for them a way to think 'beyond politics'. You could for instance directly demand a citizen-led royal commission on plutocracy, corporatocracy and why supposedly democratically-elected governments are so atrocious. Even for those who want the monarchy abolished, abolishing fossil fuel influence in media and politics is more urgent.
@@Caplabati If you keep up with geopolitics it explains a great deal of what we are seeing take place here in the UK, which is for all intents and purposes merely an extension of US policies. Keir Starmer is as involved with the WEF as the US and European governments and there is alignment with the totalitarian policies sweeping our nations. We do need to see the whole pie in order to understand our small slice. Russell Brand reports on topics that the msm will not cover because of the complicity with our corrupt establishment and I'd encourage anyone to look up past coverage on conflicts of interest such as job hopping between large corporate interests, lobbyists, parliament and financial investing amongst our representatives... Rishi Sunak is a good example.
This is a public meetings act zoom right 😂 so why are some people getting removed from the platform by TH-cam unlawfully 😅 Hmmmmm. Polise sounds decent but can people really understand the ideas from their summary.
TH-cam recommended the next video be a historical analysis of Monty Python and the Holy Grail: m.th-cam.com/video/_-wbrKimEOc/w-d-xo.html Given that people will be describing deliberative democracy and behaving a bit like an anarcho-syndicalist commune outside the castle gates, I'm wondering if there is something in these AI algorithms after all. We just need 'Charles' to turn up and say 'I am your king', for us to question the ceremony involving a sword presented by Penny Mordaunt.
Unfortunately none of these groups understand or know the law or rights which really isn't that difficult. Worse that the lawyers they are using do not understand either.. This really makes you wonder how much they don't understand the environment either if they aren't listening or understanding the law. Would help if they were interested
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Hi 👋 Brothers & Sisters, love you all, peace & everlasting love, 🌎 says, Dont stop, never give up, you are all roots to prosperity.
All those out there no good for me had better change their ways because ime evolving to eradicate them, I been tolerant for too long, they so greedy they like an hungry horse in a field with an abundance of food & still they hungry, & they so poor, all they got is 💰.
Love the togetherness of Extinction Rebellion ❤🫂
Many of us have wanted XR to be more angry about politics & more active in challenging the 'system' so this is such a fabulous shift to raise awareness of the lack of democracy, lack of integrity in politics & the effect of capitalism in reducing the role of the citizen in running of their country
This has been the 3rd demand from the very beginning. Unfortunately not much attention has been paid to it before.
Je sais que tout ce que vous faites est excellent, malheureusement je comprends pas beaucoup l'anglais et j'aimerai bien si vous pouvez nous faire une traduction en français !! Merci pour tout ce que vous faites !! Mes respects et salutations de l'Algérie
Should it be acknowledged that this is really an inward-looking event? The climate and ecological crisis only gets a brief mention at 12:30, so how is this action connected to a motivating purpose? XR wants to get the words 'Upgrade Democracy' in the media and so slightly shift people's perceptions. However, the existence and subject of a large assembly suggests that what 'upgrade Democracy' means hasn't actually been decided yet, so concerned are people to demonstrate a commitment to consensus. A similar thing happened at The Big One: it was good for making connections between activists, but the idea of presenting specific, inspiring demands to Parliament fizzled out in the rain.
I'm sure it will be a good event, and very creative, but how does it bring in people beyond those wanting a quick camping break before the schools go back? What's missing is maybe the external context: a special IPCC report and leadership from a Swedish schoolkid. The ecocidal establishment has adapted to XR. It's time to be more realistic about the anti-democratic forces we face, absolutely. But the XR vision and three demands are overdue for a refresh. People can vote with their feet.
While corporate power seems able to tolerate the climate movement (have we even dented share prices?), we can't tolerate the continuing exacerbation of threats to life on Earth. Personally, I know we can't give up, I just don't know what to do. 'When action grows unprofitable, gather information; when information grows unprofitable, sleep.' - Ursula LeGuin. Are we having the right conversations?
@Fish_N_Chips_Dude I think you've posted many brief, disapproving remarks on XR & JSO channels. Maybe you should be involved in the Massembly in Windsor or online yourself to learn through interaction. In any case, you've given me a prompt to write a considered reply. There are long traditions of eco-socialism, eco-anarchism, social ecology etc (and at least one publication called 'the Watermelon') that I'm not the most qualified person to describe, but I can remark from what I do know, Firstly, if you're referring to the Rising Up! group, it contributed bright sparks and ideas about tactics, but as with wildfires in Greece and California you also need the conditions and fuel to start the fire. That is the much larger group of people who are aware of the tiny remaining carbon budgets, declines in species abundance etc and rightly see business as usual as leading us blindly into a minefield or ice field; the conditions were as I described above, that increasing awareness and lack of even a token response by governments. Many have moved on from XR, but could return depending on the action.
Secondly, you can find the old Rising Up website on Wayback Machine and look at their manifesto. It is not anti-capitalist but is anti-neoliberal, indeed draws on multiple civil resistance traditions, and with policies like land value tax and integrating many mentions of ecology, is strongly reminiscent of Green party policies, just not as a party platform. The exact relationship between capitalism and climate breakdown and between socialism and climate justice is an area of active discussion. Carbon fee and dividend may be an effective policy that doesn't necessarily mean any major changes to the basis of capitalism, just to its technology. On the other hand, evidence suggests supporting equality and indigenous rights also supports pro-environmental behaviour and transition without anyone suffering unduly. If you go right back to 1972, Teddy Goldsmith was hardly a class warrior, but 'Blueprint for Survival' makes clear that equality, and the informed democracy that depends on it, are needed for sustainable societies. Chomsky, a left libertarian, made what I think is a good point that the climate crisis is too urgent to rely on social transformation to community ownership, and so the physical transition must take place in the world as it is, while also engaging workers and building worker power.
So you actually find a confluence of those motivated by social justice issues and maybe some variety of Marxism, and those coming from ecological movements. In fact, there have been many criticisms that Extinction Rebellion doesn't have a unifying political philosophy, or isn't anti-capitalist enough, or isn't anti-colonial enough. As I understand it, Dr Gail Bradbrook came to Rising Up and XR largely through concerns with animal rights. Others, like Roger Hallam, saw social change and sustainability as inseparable. But these are only a few individuals, and thousands have brought their own ideas, bound by a few common principles like nonviolence and humility. (Indeed citizens' assemblies, now also a campaign of Assemble and Humanity Project, do not appear in the Rising Up draft manifesto, which instead cites 'liquid democracy'.) It's not left-wing to want 'to secure a liveable future for all'. Anyone who looks at the lack of progress might fear that unless some of us stand up, the future will be Elon Musk's descendants emerging starving from their bunker to a dying Biosphere One.
@@Fish_N_Chips_Dude_Blocked You're welcome, although the bulk of what I wrote wasn't principally for your benefit, more to add history to the main comment. However, it would be good if you could sincerely explicate what motivates you to leave your comments.
@@SofGdggd-xt9lw This is a really helpful read; thanks for making the time to share it. There are individuals who'd rather point and criticise - easy to do - instead of sitting and seriously thinking about the state this world is in, what got us here, and what we can do to try and mitigate against the worst of it. That requires much more effort.
@@gillywillybythesea Thank you for reading and for your kind comment. I did worry my own comments might be taken as too critical or disheartening, but I really put them out there with a hope for transparent dialogue and not critical of planners or crew. I also recognise that the event needs wide participation and people to sign up for tasks. XR has achieved important gains, and a proliferation of local and specialist groups will be a further legacy regardless of how many continue to rebel against the sixth extinction as XR.
There are a lot of books out there suggesting directions for the climate and ecology movement (like Lynne Jones's 'Sorry for the Inconvenience but this is an Emergency') that I haven't had time to read yet. I would appreciate any further thoughts from anyone, as I see no reason to wait for the Massembly.
Invite Russell Brand! He has 6m+ followers on his independent media channel and his main focus is on upgrading the way we are governed to put power back into the hands of the people
Brand does seem to have gone off the deep end in an effort to attract his conspiracist audience, but some charismatic or fiery speakers would be a draw. One of the main reasons power isn't in the hands of the people is that it's in the hands of the corporations and super-rich.
@@SofGdggd-xt9lw The difference between a conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is about 6 months over the last few years. The journalism is very good and covers what the mainstream mockingbird media don't. We need coverage that the people who are looking for the truth will watch. Ergo not the legacy lot who ignore XR protests
Dont you think he's rather too invested in the USA at the moment? I get the feeling that he's rather more interested in growing his following there
@@Caplabati That's probably another drawback with Russell Brand. Could try other well-known anti-monarchist comedians: Jo Brand, Mark Steel, Stewart Lee, Steve Coogan, Rob Newman. People like Simon Amstell and Benedict Cumberbatch joined XR in Trafalgar Square when moved to, and some of this list (not sure why it's so male) are already outspoken on the climate and ecological emergency. Websites suggest other republican celebs: Philip Pullman, Daniel Radcliffe, Colin Firth, Danny Boyle, Johnny Marr.
However, as I say in another comment, it's not yet determined what constitutional changes would be involved in upgrading democracy. It's ambiguous whether the even is anti-monarchist, even if it may draw republicans and anarchists. It's particularly unclear as there's a plan to deliver letters from citizens (or subjects) to Charles. A lot of Britons are loyal to the royals, and indeed the constitutional bedrock is for them a way to think 'beyond politics'. You could for instance directly demand a citizen-led royal commission on plutocracy, corporatocracy and why supposedly democratically-elected governments are so atrocious. Even for those who want the monarchy abolished, abolishing fossil fuel influence in media and politics is more urgent.
@@Caplabati If you keep up with geopolitics it explains a great deal of what we are seeing take place here in the UK, which is for all intents and purposes merely an extension of US policies. Keir Starmer is as involved with the WEF as the US and European governments and there is alignment with the totalitarian policies sweeping our nations. We do need to see the whole pie in order to understand our small slice. Russell Brand reports on topics that the msm will not cover because of the complicity with our corrupt establishment and I'd encourage anyone to look up past coverage on conflicts of interest such as job hopping between large corporate interests, lobbyists, parliament and financial investing amongst our representatives... Rishi Sunak is a good example.
alan watts raised the alarm in 1971 over half a century ago, i wouldn't go to windsor if you paid me
This is a public meetings act zoom right 😂 so why are some people getting removed from the platform by TH-cam unlawfully 😅
Hmmmmm. Polise sounds decent but can people really understand the ideas from their summary.
Your own comment is itself rather hard to comprehend.
6 years suggesting the police are unpredictable
TH-cam recommended the next video be a historical analysis of Monty Python and the Holy Grail: m.th-cam.com/video/_-wbrKimEOc/w-d-xo.html
Given that people will be describing deliberative democracy and behaving a bit like an anarcho-syndicalist commune outside the castle gates, I'm wondering if there is something in these AI algorithms after all. We just need 'Charles' to turn up and say 'I am your king', for us to question the ceremony involving a sword presented by Penny Mordaunt.
Unfortunately none of these groups understand or know the law or rights which really isn't that difficult. Worse that the lawyers they are using do not understand either..
This really makes you wonder how much they don't understand the environment either if they aren't listening or understanding the law.
Would help if they were interested
What do you think they don't know about law or rights? By the way, there is liaison with police and landowners over the Upgrade Democracy event.
ATWA all way around...you are doing this all wrong...the rainbow tribes know the time and it is short..helter-skelter coming down fast..Annwn.
you have no power and never will they'll make sure of that