Love that you pointed out the lack of continuity in ground clearance measurement numbers through manufacturers. I really wish ground clearances were measure at the lowest points of the vehicle that will hit objects.
Like they say in Australia - if you want to go off-road, take a Land Rover. If you want to come back, take a Toyota. I have a JLR product, it got a new engine after 65k miles due two failed turbos, only cost $50k (it was warrantied)...... That kind of failure could easily be fatal when you are way, way off-road, which I do a couple of times a year.
I’ve had a 110 for 3 and a half years now, used everyday as a workhorse Van basically. All tools and materials can be stacked in back (bit tight) but often have 500kg in the back. Long levels/straight edges on roof rack as well. Then at wi ends it’s a super comfortable refined car. Been all over Europe in it, loaded to the roof with gear (and a dog) in total quiet comfort. On a building site one week, and south of France the next, and looks at home at both places. Nothing out there quite like it. Apart from a daytime led that was replaced quickly under warranty, not had an issue with it. Easily best vehicle I’ve owned, like having 3 cars in one
Thx for that testimony. I'm looking at the GX, but have always liked the 110. But as a buy-and-hold guy (my current daily driver is a 2001 Yukon with 362K miles that I had built), I've been reluctant to invest in a JLR rig.
@@ktpinnacle just go for it, nothing drives like a landrover. Depending on where you are located I think you can get a 5 year warranty, after that the extended warranty isn’t that expensive. Service it every year (not the recommended 2years) and I don’t think JLR are any worse than any other higher end brand. I’ve had more issues with Mercedes, Audi’s and even Ford than I have with two land rovers.
Ryan, why not go into "Gravel" mode on a couple of those hills? I come to find out, more than 90% of modern Defender owners don't take their vehicle off-roading. I'm one of the few that does. I have a 2023, and it puts a smile on my face whenever I get behind the steering wheel. On the highway, it's as comfortable as anything I've ever driven. Off-road, it's extremely capable. For the mix of driving that I do, it does it all for me, with plenty of comfort and confidence.
I love this thing, every time I see one on the roads I shout "DEFENDER!" I know it's not an offroad monster, but watching this video, it can do everything that 99% need to get through. I just wish I could afford it.
I have just turned 73,000 miles on my 2020 P400. It has been absolutely wonderful on and off road . I still get excited every time I get behind the wheel. Well done LR !!
I'm about to hit the 50k mile mark on my 2020 P400. No issues yet and it's been a beast through every trail I've put it on. Glad to hear yours is going strong at 70k+. Gotta admit, leaving the warranty period has me nervous with this being my first JLR product.
@@YoungNChannel these comments are great to read. I rolled the dice on a 110 SE for a pretty good price with 63k miles. It seems brand new still, just hoping the issues don't start piling up now haha.
What you’ve got to bear in mind……. is that this vehicle was prepared entirely as it is delivered X factory to the showroom. That is it hasn’t been prepared for the off-road demonstration in anyway Which means it is even more impressive when it’s just in its standard form yet absolutely walks any of these off-road challenges . For the off-road professional , once they have changed the specification to suit their requirements…….. this is literally unstoppable ! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I purchased a Defender S with 18" wheels and the base motor. Sticker was $61k. I felt like there was no vehilce on the market that combined on-road comfort with off-road capability like the Defender. I can drive it 1,000 miles on the highway in comfort to my friends cabin in Colorado and then have no problems on the trails around it once i get there.
How long have you both had it? I love the look of these things! I think the reliability point scares me but it also seems overblown in some cases? Was hoping for your thoughts as I was looking at the 4 cylinder as well
@@Divergen7 I have only had it 6 months but the long term ratings so far seem to show it to be pretty reliable. I have not had any issues at all but it's obvious too early for me to say.
@@paulelledge8977 that’s what I noticed as well. It seems like a really solid vehicle and really fun for all the adventures. Also located in Colorado and we usually use my crosstrek for all the adventures but I want something bigger
I’m buying a defender tomorrow and currently own a glc 43. The merc is Pathetic in snow and I’ve never taken it into mud or actual off-roaring. Its computer renders it timid and sad when wheels begin to slip. My allroad is a snowmobile in comparison. In fact, the 80’s accord I drove in high school was infinitely better in snow than the glc. The merc is FUN though, it’s just not a winter car. Plus, I’m not sure but I think the windscreen on the merc is many thousands so winter grit is right out.
I have a Discovery 5 and it is almost as capable as the new Defender but more luxurious. I love the capability, and feel it is what the Lexus has finally caught up to. With that said, I feel that the Defender and Discovery are definitely a niche market, but one that is along the lines of having a velvet pneumatic air hammer. Whereas the Lexus, Toyota LC, and Grenadier are just hammers with a bit of soft touch rubber or grips. All are capable, but the Land Rover to me is the essence of get it done with style.
Personally, This Defender does not compare to the Classic Defender. Land Rover seems to have decided to pursue the luxury off-road market instead of the basic bare-bones Land Rover Classic that was derived from the old WW2 Willys Jeep. This Defender would be out of place in any Military use, IMHO. And, it shows. Capable, yes, rugged... that would be pushing it. Personally, calling it a "Defender" is doing a disservice to the original "Defender."
Just watched this for a second time. Its such a bummer and uncharacteristic of you to just say "meh, i think we get the idea" and stop. As a guy who watches almost all your videos you almost always teat trucks more than that. Seems odd to just stop.
Awesome! I was waiting for this video for so long! Those 20 inch wheels are a crime on this vehicle. Apparently it’s because of the weight and the need to use bigger brake discs… But to be honest I’d rather have undersized brake discs in this vehicle and a bit bigger breaking distance than 20 inch wheels in an off-roader.
Agreed. I don't understand why they need such large discs. I have a feels it's for looks when they slap 22" rims on the thing. I have 18" rims on my Defender but I wish I could go 17.
LR built LR3s with 17"s and that thing weighed more than this. Max GVW on the LR3 is higher too. I'd assume the Land Rover found most of their buyers want the look and big wheels and brakes. The big brakes are probably great for towing in the mountains though.
You say that because you’re not a manufacturer. They have even more strenuous rules and safety laws now days and stopping distance is something to take heavily into account.
@@stop_lying_bro But The Defender doesn't stop any faster than any of the other cars in its category. Large disc rotors or more about heat dissipation or repeat it stops, not actual stopping distances.
I don't like air suspension in cars/trucks which are true off-roaders. I prefer body on frame with at least rear solid axle. Anyway this vehicle is very brave in off road. Thanks Ryan for tested it for us. Great review. Greetings
As somebody that owns multiple Land Rover products, the biggest issues with the Defender and all the high end Range Rover products are: -The 20" tires not only hamper the off road ability but also allow the sidewall to be pinched and cut....super stupid for a vehicle that is designed to go off road. -Rumor has it that the rear locker does not work in reverse......again, super stupid -The traction control is probably the best in the world, right up there with the Toyota offering, but...... -The stability control has a major flaw as it will completely cut power to the wheels even though you have your foot pedal to the medal....even with the stability control turned "off".
^This. I really wanted to consider this vehicle, but there are just one too many compromises. You can swap out the brakes to fit 18's to help with poor sidewall issues, but that shouldn't be needed for an "off-road" vehicle. Also to add to this list, while it has a rather high tow capacity, LR states to not use a load equalizing hitch so that will compromise towing quite a bit.
We bought a 2021 Defender X 110. Equipped with 400 engine and 20" wheels and the upgraded tread supplied by JLR. 29,000+ miles and ZERO problems. I was the Motor Trend SUV of the Year for 2021. You do not like the white - so what?!?!? Ours is Pangea Green and receives constant positive comments regarding this color. Wheels are not steel. We have done extensive overlanding any minor off-roading. We would not want any of the other cars that you mentioned. NOPE!!! THIS ONE is the best - it also handled snow and ice without the cables. PS. Off-road light bar, 270 batwing awning, rock bars on sides installed air pump from JLR, fridge in center console, side box and ladder and Thule rack on roof(offered by Defender).
To answer your question as to why the Defender grounded out compared to the Ineos, Ineos has solid body on frame, compared to the Land Rovers independant suspension. Body on frame will always lift the vehicle when in holes. Im in no way saying one vehicle is superior over the other, I myself have a Discovery 3 (LR3), just the downside of these modern vehicles that are not body on frame is their lack of traditional articulation providing less clearance.
It's the fully independent suspension, not body on frame that makes the difference. A Jeep Cherokee XJ is unibody and will articulate way better than this due to the solid axles.
I think you are mixing up frame/body design and axle design. I assume you are referring to solid axles and independent suspension. I am also confused by you saying the 'solid axles' will always lift you when in holes. The wheel outside of the hole is generally in the similar position but the axle pivots along the center drive shaft and allows the other wheel to articulate into the hole maintaining wheel contact. Ground clearance does not have that much to do with it.
The Ineos is light years ahead of the Defender off road with solid axles, lockers, over built for long term abuse as well as the ability to easily modify and add large tires. There is simply no comparison in the near and long term. The Defender needs to be compared to street based AWD vehicles more then real off roaders like Ineos, or even Four Runner, Landcruiser, Bronco, ect. In that comparison it will destroy Subarus, Fake Broncos, Rav 4s and the like for sure.
A very capable vehicle no doubt, just as long as you’re never more than 10 minutes from the hardstanding and specialist recovery. Bit of a shame LR decided to build a fashion accessory rather than an actual off road work vehicle, as was the purpose of the original defender.
Oh man, seeing the blue colored rear hatch on an otherwise white vehicle makes it look like someone with a beater of a car who went to the junkyard and grabbed some random colored body panel to put on their car after having an accident or something. It looks horrible.
excellent reviews! Owning a Jeep Jk 2 door with front lockers and a Land Rover LR4 V8 I think I will go with the Defender 110S P400 for 70K. I looked into the new Toyota Land Cruiser 1958 but the price at 59K is really not justifiable with that interior I think...... The new Defender will deliver a comfortable and nice feeling time on the road and still get me through the back country trail in Death Valley safely with the standard 19" wheels and all terrain tires. That is a compromise but not a bad one for the amount of off roading I do. The Rubicon trail I will attack with my beloved Jeep Wrangler any day! But to replace my LR4 the Defender is the perfect vehicle and 70k vs 59k for the Toyota is the winner after all I guess. Please make a review driving the Land Cruiser with off road tires through the same trails that you drove the new Defender, That would be telling for sure! Love your work, keep it up!
I had a 2017 Discovery with Falken Wild Peaks ans I literal could feel confident in any condition. The space was sophisticated and sleek and it tackled terrain effortlessly. Unfortunately at 90k miles I had a catastrophic engine failure so dumped it. I’m hesitant about another LR PRODUCT but if I try again I’ll get a defender. In the anaconda tires would make that a breeze I think and some Johnson rods
if you're going to buy one. get the p300. Friend of mine just purchased one based on my recommendation for 64k (MSRP of 68K). 81k for this car is too much. you do not need any options, the car is well equipped( really well equipped) as STANDARD........
The problem for a serious 4×4 is that to make it more foolproof this One Ten has no real 100% CDL which can be dangerous and annoying when it gets really serious especially going uphill and most brake bias is going to the front. There are some movies of that. It should have a manual and a swaybar connect system. Replacing the rubber air springs or dampers on this new one is extremely expensive as opposed to their first air suspension systems.
At 18.48 and on a big screen everyone can also see on this movie that even in the strongest crawl setting the brake bias is mostly to front because of the not 100% connection front to rear because it stays just a viscous connection and it is not even wet or winter. In professional terms that is a big fault. And no professional should use braking on steep hills but use low gear and engine braking but also then the bias would be to the front when going rearwards uphill but to the rear when going forwards downhill. A tip is lowering the suspension to normal height for more smooth articulation and less height of gravity.
The reason why this drags and Grenadier didn't is unibody vs BOF design. Just like how Subarus have "huge" ground clearance, beacause of how it's measured and what the vehicle looks like underneath, it isn't the same like for like comparision as a Body on Frame design. So unibody vehicle ground clearance has to be taken in context when comparing with a BOF one.
Also the whole independent suspension vs solid axel thing, where solid axels keep their ground clearance and independent suspension loses ground clearance when it hit something and compresses.
@@the_mammut8589 That's what annoys me with the front end of my 4Runner. I come off of a rock or other obstacle, the front suspension compresses, and then I smash my front skid down onto another rock I should have been able to clear.
BOF vs unibody does not have much to do with ground clearance. The manufacturers can measure it as they please. Solid axles and independent suspension has way more to do with it.
Great review. I use my Defender for overlanding and think it’s one of the best platforms. One thing to note, you mentioned you can’t control the diff locks manually. You can actually if you have configurable terrain response. It gives you the ability to chose to lock the center or center and rear at the push of a button on screen. Also, you were in comfort mode for some of the off roading. You get better air suspension articulation in mud and ruts and also rock crawl.
10:51 you may want to do your research. It does not have a Center diff. It‘s got a wet clutch.
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Defender all the way. The other competitors you mentioned are all ladder frame chassis which may not translate to the best on-road feel. Especially the Grenadier that has a recirculating ball steering wheel and is atrocious on the road. It's a pure off road focused vehicle. The Defender can accomplish all of what you've shown being a monocoque/unibody chassis. And has great on road manners too.
Good video, thanks. I’m sure you know this but the Defender with air ride has an extra lift mode that will allow you to raise it even higher than the std mode you had it in.
This is what happens when your market expands because of cosplayers and mall-crawlers. You start to add more and more features for your second generation market to the point where the vehicles lose their appeal with the original generation - in this case, true off-roaders, adventurers and militaries. The probelm is, that once the original generation disowns them, they're no longer seen as hardcore/cool and all of the followers and cosplayers will abandon them too. Jeep has to be careful not to make this mistake with the Wrangler - they've been much better than Landrover with the Wrangler but they're making another mistake now - pricing out their hardcore user base.
Just FYI, the defender with the terrain response II option, you can put the terrain response in "auto". you just press and hold the terrain response button.
I was next to one of these the other day, it's huge. Way too big. A previous gen Suburban was next to it and it looked small. They missed the mark with this one..... The new Land Cruiser & siblings are much better sized.
Both the GX550 and the IG are brand new models to market. I had an IG on order, but cancelled since the GX was coming onto the market. Now with the Toyota engine recalls, the GX will also need to wait. But some great options in the market now!
The newer engines don't have the machining debris issue. I think you can feel safe it's OK if the engine was manufactured after 11/25/22. At least, that'll be my take later this year when I'll be looking.
@@ckm-mkc Wow! smh I always have that little worry in the back of my mind every time I'm on traveling for work. And I travel to remote places sometimes. Edit: When I say "remote" I mean places loooong away from the service dept... smh again.
@@paulelledge8977 None of the engines built after 11/25/22 have the problem with machining debris, so those later units haven't been recalled. I think if you can ID the manufacturing date of the engine on a new GX, you're in the clear.
@@ktpinnacle They just expanded it, now it's 250,000 of them. But yeah, I'm sure it's not all new Tundras going bang with 10,000 miles on them. But still...
What a waste of $80000. On a vehicle Sorry, I made a mistake jadget. That depreciates so badly, and it costs so much to up keep And it's perfect for a****** yuppies😊
Land Rover Pretender I'm still going to call it a Pretender, but I do still respect its significant off-road capabilities as a crossover vehicle. I am looking forward to the rumored high performance version of the Pretender.
I think Ford should drop the Explorer and bring over the Everest from Australia and Asia. Have just returned from Thailand, the Everest is a great SUV. It has the same rear axle setup as the Ranger Raptor.
There's not much info on the GX550's new engine except that it's failing in the Tundra. I'd rather have a GX470 (I dislike how the 460 drives, it just feels too heavy).
I think this $80,000 vehicle is a good choice for a soccer mom. Although highly capable, no typical owner would want to scratch or dent this vehicle, its just too expensive. Its also comical to scroll through unlimited settings to find the correct mode to make it through a tricky situation.
They designed it that way for the unique optional middle seat configuration. It's really not a problem at all, but I'am used to it as my VW T5 has this from 2003 onwards. The most interesting threads on the forums are: Who did 100K mls in his New Defender.. ? You'll be surprised quality wise.
I'm not sure it's the same, but the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon X we just bought is pretty luxury inside and is miles more capable offroad. Obviously on road is a little less good...
I liked my Defender 110 so much I ordered another. I was looking into the Grenadier and test drove it. It is fabulous offroad but I disliked everything else about it, especially the interior which is phenomenally impractical with very little storage space. The dash has been designed around a ‘press button wearing gloves’ philisophy. The Defender interior has lots of storage space. The only thing I wish Defender had is a split tailgate
not much capable as priced...indian brand mahindra thar is 15 times cheaper then this defender but as capable as defender...what so crazy about this vehicle..?
Looking at all the recent new double turbo iPads on wheels, I bought one of the last true and tried NA V8 GX460, this could be my last car till retirement
Those are two very different vehicles. In the middle is the Land Cruiser premium or it’s cousin Lexus GX 550 Overtrail. One of those might be a good compromise for you.
Yeah, that shift lever would definitely be a deal breaker for me. Like that of the Mercedes Benz transmission stalk within the steering wheel. Other than that, as always, a very capable all terrain vehicle.
@@MichaelRichards983 It's always up to the individual to do their homework, when buying used (That goes for any make or model). Since this is a review of a new vehicle, I'm sure if anything goes wrong (which as you mention reliability issues arise), You can always take it to the dealership to get fixed/repaired. Maintenance/records is always key to any vehicle's longevity.
Discovery still exists and is doing just fine and is a completly different vehicle. Saying that is like saying the LC300 is a better replacment for the Prado rather than a 60 series, Landrover just did all the changes in one model year not staged over decades.
@@newdefendermods yeah, different vehicle. better comfort and aerodynamics in the Disco; MPG is *much* better. love the drop-down platform in the back, mimicking the RR split tailgate. I think more Defender drivers who don't actually go offroad would actually be happier in one frankly (except for app/dep angles). that said the D5 is in a limbo state and hasn't changed at all for a few years. maybe they are waiting for the EV change, who knows.
@newdefendermods no, not wrong. People who buy these brand new for $80k do not take them off road. I've met people with these brand new LRs and they have fully admitted to never even seen a dirt road.
@@JRs-guitarswell your anecdotal single case (and most likely fictional account) notwithstanding, I take mine off-road all the time. In fact I just drove it from Atlanta to Seattle and hit up a bunch of trails in Coulee.
I like the way the defender looks. I would like to own one, but they are way too expensive for my taste. If I was to choose one of the three that you mentioned, it would be the Lexus just because of reliability alone.
Great until it isn’t, like a wrangler the forums are littered with unhappy owners. That air suspension will shit itself at some point and that’s expensive to fix
Nailed it with "just to froofy" lol. I've had nothing but Land Rovers for 30 years, and I just can't make myself fall in love with this thing. LR would have done their job right if it looked like a Bronco or Grenadier (or old Defender) on the outside with the a Defender interior. Right now, it's a plasticky out of proportion mess.
the multi use function of the buttons is pretty neat, and if you play mouse and keyboard on certain video games (like DCS Flight Sim) you would probably get used to a button modifying certain controls really quickly.
Car interfaces always annoyed me after playing real flight sims. The issue is the more "intuitive" interfaces are compromised for speed once you know how to use it.
I have a USA spec ‘17 D5 Diesel. Added the 1.5” Johnson lift and full underside protection and sliders. It has the center and rear locker. It is a beast. With 18” Tuff Ant rims and bigger tires to air down - it is ultra capable. And a good looking vehicle you take to the Opera on the way home. All the modes make a difference. And using the off road cruise control is a unique feature in certain circumstances such as a long steep hill climb.
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Ya Land Rover/Range Rover really does not care about the off road market buyer as they want to be up-scale and sell to the rich boulevard cruiser types. I stay good buy to them..my money is now with Rivian
Sounds like there's some terminology overload with "automatic locker". I think of the dumb lockers that are usually spring loaded that are meant to release when turning but lock when under torque going straight. They click if you spin a wheel when the vehicle is up on a lift, confusing mechanics that haven't run into them before. They're one step above just welding the gears of the differential together to make it permanently locked. This one sounds like it's a selectable locker except that it's the vehicle's computer that's turning it on or off instead of the driver. I'd be tempted to call that a selectable locker even if it's not user selectable. They have much better manners than the dumb type of auto-locker.
Love that you pointed out the lack of continuity in ground clearance measurement numbers through manufacturers. I really wish ground clearances were measure at the lowest points of the vehicle that will hit objects.
Of all the 3 expensive vehicles reviewed lately, this is where I'd put 80K. Now, to find 80K.
i could just pull equity from my house. horrible decesion but doable lol
Like they say in Australia - if you want to go off-road, take a Land Rover. If you want to come back, take a Toyota. I have a JLR product, it got a new engine after 65k miles due two failed turbos, only cost $50k (it was warrantied)...... That kind of failure could easily be fatal when you are way, way off-road, which I do a couple of times a year.
At this price and long term reliability, this is a lease only acquisition.
I take gx550 over trail.
@@bobby350zdoesn’t it have the same failing engine that’s in the tundra?
I’ve had a 110 for 3 and a half years now, used everyday as a workhorse Van basically. All tools and materials can be stacked in back (bit tight) but often have 500kg in the back. Long levels/straight edges on roof rack as well. Then at wi ends it’s a super comfortable refined car. Been all over Europe in it, loaded to the roof with gear (and a dog) in total quiet comfort. On a building site one week, and south of France the next, and looks at home at both places. Nothing out there quite like it. Apart from a daytime led that was replaced quickly under warranty, not had an issue with it. Easily best vehicle I’ve owned, like having 3 cars in one
Thx for that testimony. I'm looking at the GX, but have always liked the 110. But as a buy-and-hold guy (my current daily driver is a 2001 Yukon with 362K miles that I had built), I've been reluctant to invest in a JLR rig.
@@ktpinnacle just go for it, nothing drives like a landrover. Depending on where you are located I think you can get a 5 year warranty, after that the extended warranty isn’t that expensive. Service it every year (not the recommended 2years) and I don’t think JLR are any worse than any other higher end brand. I’ve had more issues with Mercedes, Audi’s and even Ford than I have with two land rovers.
Ryan, why not go into "Gravel" mode on a couple of those hills?
I come to find out, more than 90% of modern Defender owners don't take their vehicle off-roading. I'm one of the few that does. I have a 2023, and it puts a smile on my face whenever I get behind the steering wheel. On the highway, it's as comfortable as anything I've ever driven. Off-road, it's extremely capable. For the mix of driving that I do, it does it all for me, with plenty of comfort and confidence.
That’s what I thinking. He kinda forgot about the grass gravel snow mode.
90% of jeep and bronco owners will never take their trucks off road either.
I love this thing, every time I see one on the roads I shout "DEFENDER!" I know it's not an offroad monster, but watching this video, it can do everything that 99% need to get through. I just wish I could afford it.
Depreciation will set in within a few more years big time. Best time to buy them haha.
That’s what I used to do. So I bought one ;)
We build them into offroad monters 💪🏾
@@newdefendermods sick
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I have just turned 73,000 miles on my 2020 P400. It has been absolutely wonderful on and off road . I still get excited every time I get behind the wheel. Well done LR !!
I'm about to hit the 50k mile mark on my 2020 P400. No issues yet and it's been a beast through every trail I've put it on. Glad to hear yours is going strong at 70k+. Gotta admit, leaving the warranty period has me nervous with this being my first JLR product.
I love my 2021 110. I beat on it pretty good to
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@@YoungNChannel these comments are great to read. I rolled the dice on a 110 SE for a pretty good price with 63k miles. It seems brand new still, just hoping the issues don't start piling up now haha.
What you’ve got to bear in mind……. is that this vehicle was prepared entirely as it is delivered X factory to the showroom.
That is it hasn’t been prepared for the off-road demonstration in anyway
Which means it is even more impressive when it’s just in its standard form yet absolutely walks any of these off-road challenges .
For the off-road professional , once they have changed the specification to suit their requirements…….. this is literally unstoppable !
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I purchased a Defender S with 18" wheels and the base motor. Sticker was $61k. I felt like there was no vehilce on the market that combined on-road comfort with off-road capability like the Defender. I can drive it 1,000 miles on the highway in comfort to my friends cabin in Colorado and then have no problems on the trails around it once i get there.
Also got the base 4 cylinder with the same sentiment. I love those 18s, chefs kiss!
How long have you both had it? I love the look of these things!
I think the reliability point scares me but it also seems overblown in some cases? Was hoping for your thoughts as I was looking at the 4 cylinder as well
Seems crazy this big car has a 4 cylinder option. How’s the drivability and power ?
@@Divergen7 I have only had it 6 months but the long term ratings so far seem to show it to be pretty reliable. I have not had any issues at all but it's obvious too early for me to say.
@@paulelledge8977 that’s what I noticed as well. It seems like a really solid vehicle and really fun for all the adventures. Also located in Colorado and we usually use my crosstrek for all the adventures but I want something bigger
Any chance Mercedes will send you the new GLC with the factory skid plate? Would love to see how well it could do off-road.
I’m buying a defender tomorrow and currently own a glc 43. The merc is Pathetic in snow and I’ve never taken it into mud or actual off-roaring. Its computer renders it timid and sad when wheels begin to slip. My allroad is a snowmobile in comparison. In fact, the 80’s accord I drove in high school was infinitely better in snow than the glc. The merc is FUN though, it’s just not a winter car. Plus, I’m not sure but I think the windscreen on the merc is many thousands so winter grit is right out.
I have a Discovery 5 and it is almost as capable as the new Defender but more luxurious. I love the capability, and feel it is what the Lexus has finally caught up to. With that said, I feel that the Defender and Discovery are definitely a niche market, but one that is along the lines of having a velvet pneumatic air hammer. Whereas the Lexus, Toyota LC, and Grenadier are just hammers with a bit of soft touch rubber or grips. All are capable, but the Land Rover to me is the essence of get it done with style.
Are you interested in testing Tesla cybertruck. I have an AWD version(only 200 miles) and can lend to test it.
I'd love to see a CT Dual Motor (or even a Tri) go through the course!
I would take the Grenadier Trialmaster for sure ! Much more rugged for utility use and work !
Personally, This Defender does not compare to the Classic Defender. Land Rover seems to have decided to pursue the luxury off-road market instead of the basic bare-bones Land Rover Classic that was derived from the old WW2 Willys Jeep. This Defender would be out of place in any Military use, IMHO. And, it shows. Capable, yes, rugged... that would be pushing it. Personally, calling it a "Defender" is doing a disservice to the original "Defender."
Just watched this for a second time. Its such a bummer and uncharacteristic of you to just say "meh, i think we get the idea" and stop. As a guy who watches almost all your videos you almost always teat trucks more than that. Seems odd to just stop.
What is the cost of maintenance? Is that something you could add in your review?
Awesome! I was waiting for this video for so long! Those 20 inch wheels are a crime on this vehicle. Apparently it’s because of the weight and the need to use bigger brake discs… But to be honest I’d rather have undersized brake discs in this vehicle and a bit bigger breaking distance than 20 inch wheels in an off-roader.
Stopping is pretty important
Agreed. I don't understand why they need such large discs. I have a feels it's for looks when they slap 22" rims on the thing. I have 18" rims on my Defender but I wish I could go 17.
LR built LR3s with 17"s and that thing weighed more than this. Max GVW on the LR3 is higher too. I'd assume the Land Rover found most of their buyers want the look and big wheels and brakes. The big brakes are probably great for towing in the mountains though.
You say that because you’re not a manufacturer. They have even more strenuous rules and safety laws now days and stopping distance is something to take heavily into account.
@@stop_lying_bro But The Defender doesn't stop any faster than any of the other cars in its category. Large disc rotors or more about heat dissipation or repeat it stops, not actual stopping distances.
I don't like air suspension in cars/trucks which are true off-roaders. I prefer body on frame with at least rear solid axle. Anyway this vehicle is very brave in off road. Thanks Ryan for tested it for us. Great review. Greetings
As somebody that owns multiple Land Rover products, the biggest issues with the Defender and all the high end Range Rover products are:
-The 20" tires not only hamper the off road ability but also allow the sidewall to be pinched and cut....super stupid for a vehicle that is designed to go off road.
-Rumor has it that the rear locker does not work in reverse......again, super stupid
-The traction control is probably the best in the world, right up there with the Toyota offering, but......
-The stability control has a major flaw as it will completely cut power to the wheels even though you have your foot pedal to the medal....even with the stability control turned "off".
^This. I really wanted to consider this vehicle, but there are just one too many compromises. You can swap out the brakes to fit 18's to help with poor sidewall issues, but that shouldn't be needed for an "off-road" vehicle. Also to add to this list, while it has a rather high tow capacity, LR states to not use a load equalizing hitch so that will compromise towing quite a bit.
Great performance off road and on road.
Land Rover really need to find a way to offer smaller brakes on an offroad specific variant so you can get some more sidewall on those tires.
I think we need a Land Cruiser - Defender head to head comparison :)
We bought a 2021 Defender X 110. Equipped with 400 engine and 20" wheels and the upgraded tread supplied by JLR. 29,000+ miles and ZERO problems. I was the Motor Trend SUV of the Year for 2021. You do not like the white - so what?!?!? Ours is Pangea Green and receives constant positive comments regarding this color. Wheels are not steel. We have done extensive overlanding any minor off-roading.
We would not want any of the other cars that you mentioned. NOPE!!! THIS ONE is the best - it also handled snow and ice without the cables.
PS. Off-road light bar, 270 batwing awning, rock bars on sides installed air pump from JLR, fridge in center console, side box and ladder and Thule rack on roof(offered by Defender).
To answer your question as to why the Defender grounded out compared to the Ineos, Ineos has solid body on frame, compared to the Land Rovers independant suspension. Body on frame will always lift the vehicle when in holes.
Im in no way saying one vehicle is superior over the other, I myself have a Discovery 3 (LR3), just the downside of these modern vehicles that are not body on frame is their lack of traditional articulation providing less clearance.
It's the fully independent suspension, not body on frame that makes the difference. A Jeep Cherokee XJ is unibody and will articulate way better than this due to the solid axles.
How does body on frame "lift the vehicle better in holes?"
I think you are mixing up frame/body design and axle design. I assume you are referring to solid axles and independent suspension. I am also confused by you saying the 'solid axles' will always lift you when in holes. The wheel outside of the hole is generally in the similar position but the axle pivots along the center drive shaft and allows the other wheel to articulate into the hole maintaining wheel contact. Ground clearance does not have that much to do with it.
The Ineos is light years ahead of the Defender off road with solid axles, lockers, over built for long term abuse as well as the ability to easily modify and add large tires. There is simply no comparison in the near and long term. The Defender needs to be compared to street based AWD vehicles more then real off roaders like Ineos, or even Four Runner, Landcruiser, Bronco, ect. In that comparison it will destroy Subarus, Fake Broncos, Rav 4s and the like for sure.
A very capable vehicle no doubt, just as long as you’re never more than 10 minutes from the hardstanding and specialist recovery.
Bit of a shame LR decided to build a fashion accessory rather than an actual off road work vehicle, as was the purpose of the original defender.
Oh man, seeing the blue colored rear hatch on an otherwise white vehicle makes it look like someone with a beater of a car who went to the junkyard and grabbed some random colored body panel to put on their car after having an accident or something. It looks horrible.
excellent reviews! Owning a Jeep Jk 2 door with front lockers and a Land Rover LR4 V8 I think I will go with the Defender 110S P400 for 70K.
I looked into the new Toyota Land Cruiser 1958 but the price at 59K is really not justifiable with that interior I think......
The new Defender will deliver a comfortable and nice feeling time on the road and still get me through the back country trail in Death Valley safely with the standard 19" wheels and all terrain tires. That is a compromise but not a bad one for the amount of off roading I do.
The Rubicon trail I will attack with my beloved Jeep Wrangler any day! But to replace my LR4 the Defender is the perfect vehicle and 70k vs 59k for the Toyota is the winner after all I guess. Please make a review driving the Land Cruiser with off road tires through the same trails that you drove the new Defender, That would be telling for sure! Love your work, keep it up!
I had a 2017 Discovery with Falken Wild Peaks ans I literal could feel confident in any condition. The space was sophisticated and sleek and it tackled terrain effortlessly. Unfortunately at 90k miles I had a catastrophic engine failure so dumped it. I’m hesitant about another LR PRODUCT but if I try again I’ll get a defender. In the anaconda tires would make that a breeze I think and some Johnson rods
Why is the wheel on the wrong side? Is this the American version?
if you're going to buy one. get the p300. Friend of mine just purchased one based on my recommendation for 64k (MSRP of 68K). 81k for this car is too much. you do not need any options, the car is well equipped( really well equipped) as STANDARD........
Another great video! Ryan, you think you can get a new Frontier Pro 4x on this course some time soon?
I recently picked up a 2017 Fiat 124. I was *Very* disappointed with it's off-road capability.
The problem for a serious 4×4 is that to make it more foolproof this One Ten has no real 100% CDL which can be dangerous and annoying when it gets really serious especially going uphill and most brake bias is going to the front. There are some movies of that. It should have a manual and a swaybar connect system. Replacing the rubber air springs or dampers on this new one is extremely expensive as opposed to their first air suspension systems.
At 18.48 and on a big screen everyone can also see on this movie that even in the strongest crawl setting the brake bias is mostly to front because of the not 100% connection front to rear because it stays just a viscous connection and it is not even wet or winter. In professional terms that is a big fault. And no professional should use braking on steep hills but use low gear and engine braking but also then the bias would be to the front when going rearwards uphill but to the rear when going forwards downhill. A tip is lowering the suspension to normal height for more smooth articulation and less height of gravity.
The reason why this drags and Grenadier didn't is unibody vs BOF design. Just like how Subarus have "huge" ground clearance, beacause of how it's measured and what the vehicle looks like underneath, it isn't the same like for like comparision as a Body on Frame design. So unibody vehicle ground clearance has to be taken in context when comparing with a BOF one.
Also the whole independent suspension vs solid axel thing, where solid axels keep their ground clearance and independent suspension loses ground clearance when it hit something and compresses.
@@Deetroiterno they are not. They are both unibody.
@@the_mammut8589 That's what annoys me with the front end of my 4Runner. I come off of a rock or other obstacle, the front suspension compresses, and then I smash my front skid down onto another rock I should have been able to clear.
BOF vs unibody does not have much to do with ground clearance. The manufacturers can measure it as they please. Solid axles and independent suspension has way more to do with it.
@@gs98999the Grenadier is not unibody - it’s a Gestamp frame. Or were you responding to the Subaru comment?
Why the hell did you test the Fieldmaster Grenadier trim package specifically NOT focused on off roaa, in an OFFROAD TEST?
Doesn't this thing have full skid plates? Why is he so worried about rubbing on dirt. Its fine.
Correct
Great review. I use my Defender for overlanding and think it’s one of the best platforms. One thing to note, you mentioned you can’t control the diff locks manually. You can actually if you have configurable terrain response. It gives you the ability to chose to lock the center or center and rear at the push of a button on screen. Also, you were in comfort mode for some of the off roading. You get better air suspension articulation in mud and ruts and also rock crawl.
10:51 you may want to do your research. It does not have a Center diff. It‘s got a wet clutch.
Defender all the way. The other competitors you mentioned are all ladder frame chassis which may not translate to the best on-road feel. Especially the Grenadier that has a recirculating ball steering wheel and is atrocious on the road. It's a pure off road focused vehicle. The Defender can accomplish all of what you've shown being a monocoque/unibody chassis. And has great on road manners too.
Good video, thanks. I’m sure you know this but the Defender with air ride has an extra lift mode that will allow you to raise it even higher than the std mode you had it in.
This is what happens when your market expands because of cosplayers and mall-crawlers. You start to add more and more features for your second generation market to the point where the vehicles lose their appeal with the original generation - in this case, true off-roaders, adventurers and militaries. The probelm is, that once the original generation disowns them, they're no longer seen as hardcore/cool and all of the followers and cosplayers will abandon them too.
Jeep has to be careful not to make this mistake with the Wrangler - they've been much better than Landrover with the Wrangler but they're making another mistake now - pricing out their hardcore user base.
I'd go for the Lexus..the design is just better, The defender is insanely capable though
I have 110 almost one year now and love it...
I was wheeling with my friend and I saw a very old defender. It even had a woode steering wheel
Great vehicle. The only issue I have is that you cant fit smaller wheels to a D300 diesel
Just FYI, the defender with the terrain response II option, you can put the terrain response in "auto". you just press and hold the terrain response button.
This is still the best on paper, in showroom, at someone else's garage... Just don't be the owner😂
Nahhhh... I'll stick with my INEOS Grenadier, the true heir to the Defender legacy.
True? Seems an illegitimate child to me. Something born out of wedlock.
180W inverter?? What kind of joke is that.
I was next to one of these the other day, it's huge. Way too big. A previous gen Suburban was next to it and it looked small. They missed the mark with this one..... The new Land Cruiser & siblings are much better sized.
The Defender 110 is half an inch longer, the exact same width and 1 inch taller than the Lexus GX 550. Fyi
The Lexus for sure
Both the GX550 and the IG are brand new models to market. I had an IG on order, but cancelled since the GX was coming onto the market. Now with the Toyota engine recalls, the GX will also need to wait. But some great options in the market now!
Just get a 2023 GX. It has a tried and true powertrain.
@@damilolaakanni- I wish it looked better. Newer gx550 is much better looking.
My Grennie will be here in September...:^)
@@BryanPike enjoy!
The newer engines don't have the machining debris issue. I think you can feel safe it's OK if the engine was manufactured after 11/25/22. At least, that'll be my take later this year when I'll be looking.
I love the Defenders capability. I have a 22 but I am thinking of trading it in for the GX550 before the warranty is up
Good call, my Jag's engine blew up at 65k miles and needed a new engine.
@@ckm-mkc Wow! smh I always have that little worry in the back of my mind every time I'm on traveling for work. And I travel to remote places sometimes.
Edit: When I say "remote" I mean places loooong away from the service dept... smh again.
@@ckm-mkcLook at all the Toyota Tundra motors blowing up right now too.
@@paulelledge8977 None of the engines built after 11/25/22 have the problem with machining debris, so those later units haven't been recalled. I think if you can ID the manufacturing date of the engine on a new GX, you're in the clear.
@@ktpinnacle They just expanded it, now it's 250,000 of them. But yeah, I'm sure it's not all new Tundras going bang with 10,000 miles on them. But still...
Isn’t the Grenadier just vaporware at this point?
I'll go for the Lexus GX 550!
What a waste of $80000. On a vehicle Sorry, I made a mistake jadget. That depreciates so badly, and it costs so much to up keep And it's perfect for a****** yuppies😊
I love the defender 110... But look what I drive.... Cherokee Trailhawk... Very similar, believe it or not.
Land Rover Pretender
I'm still going to call it a Pretender, but I do still respect its significant off-road capabilities as a crossover vehicle.
I am looking forward to the rumored high performance version of the Pretender.
I'd get the Land Rover
I think Ford should drop the Explorer and bring over the Everest from Australia and Asia. Have just returned from Thailand, the Everest is a great SUV. It has the same rear axle setup as the Ranger Raptor.
There's not much info on the GX550's new engine except that it's failing in the Tundra. I'd rather have a GX470 (I dislike how the 460 drives, it just feels too heavy).
2024 My Lottery Win SUV is a Land Rover Defender 110 V8. I Can Dream, Can't I? (smile)
I think this $80,000 vehicle is a good choice for a soccer mom. Although highly capable, no typical owner would want to scratch or dent this vehicle, its just too expensive. Its also comical to scroll through unlimited settings to find the correct mode to make it through a tricky situation.
You can put it in Auto mode and it will work out itself which settings to utilise.
It cost almost the same as the Ineos.
I think that rather having the screen higher, the shifter should be in the console, not on the dash like a bus.
They designed it that way for the unique optional middle seat configuration.
It's really not a problem at all, but I'am used to it as my VW T5 has this from 2003 onwards.
The most interesting threads on the forums are: Who did 100K mls in his New Defender.. ? You'll be surprised quality wise.
You lost me at $81,000
81?…..my defender was 95.
I'm not sure it's the same, but the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon X we just bought is pretty luxury inside and is miles more capable offroad. Obviously on road is a little less good...
I liked my Defender 110 so much I ordered another. I was looking into the Grenadier and test drove it. It is fabulous offroad but I disliked everything else about it, especially the interior which is phenomenally impractical with very little storage space. The dash has been designed around a ‘press button wearing gloves’ philisophy. The Defender interior has lots of storage space. The only thing I wish Defender had is a split tailgate
not much capable as priced...indian brand mahindra thar is 15 times cheaper then this defender but as capable as defender...what so crazy about this vehicle..?
You can disable ADAS durably with software update if you do not have the towing package currently. They are working on update with tow package.
Land Rover more Reliable than Toyota 😏
Where I would park my $80k
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Looking at all the recent new double turbo iPads on wheels, I bought one of the last true and tried NA V8 GX460, this could be my last car till retirement
I’m hesitating between a defender and a 4runner. Any advice ?
Those are two very different vehicles. In the middle is the Land Cruiser premium or it’s cousin Lexus GX 550 Overtrail. One of those might be a good compromise for you.
Yeah, that shift lever would definitely be a deal breaker for me. Like that of the Mercedes Benz transmission stalk within the steering wheel. Other than that, as always, a very capable all terrain vehicle.
Who cares about that, how about the terrible reliability of these vehicles?
@@MichaelRichards983 It's always up to the individual to do their homework, when buying used (That goes for any make or model). Since this is a review of a new vehicle, I'm sure if anything goes wrong (which as you mention reliability issues arise), You can always take it to the dealership to get fixed/repaired. Maintenance/records is always key to any vehicle's longevity.
@@MichaelRichards983The new Defenders are built in an all new factory and have been the most reliable vehicle Land Rover have put out in a long time.
This Defender seems more like a replacement for the Discovery.
Discovery still exists and is doing just fine and is a completly different vehicle. Saying that is like saying the LC300 is a better replacment for the Prado rather than a 60 series, Landrover just did all the changes in one model year not staged over decades.
Your correct its a Discovery underneath!!!!! Dave in the UK
@@newdefendermods yeah, different vehicle. better comfort and aerodynamics in the Disco; MPG is *much* better. love the drop-down platform in the back, mimicking the RR split tailgate. I think more Defender drivers who don't actually go offroad would actually be happier in one frankly (except for app/dep angles). that said the D5 is in a limbo state and hasn't changed at all for a few years. maybe they are waiting for the EV change, who knows.
I'd like to see an oldschool Mercedes GL from 2008 on your newly dug corse!
Defender 110, love it !
This is the Tupperware all plastic Land Rover. LR is out of their mind!
Thanks for the review. People that actually buy these won't even take them on a dirt road, so idk lol.
Wrong
@newdefendermods no, not wrong. People who buy these brand new for $80k do not take them off road. I've met people with these brand new LRs and they have fully admitted to never even seen a dirt road.
@@JRs-guitarswell your anecdotal single case (and most likely fictional account) notwithstanding, I take mine off-road all the time. In fact I just drove it from Atlanta to Seattle and hit up a bunch of trails in Coulee.
I like the way the defender looks. I would like to own one, but they are way too expensive for my taste. If I was to choose one of the three that you mentioned, it would be the Lexus just because of reliability alone.
Great until it isn’t, like a wrangler the forums are littered with unhappy owners. That air suspension will shit itself at some point and that’s expensive to fix
When will you be getting your hands on the new Traverse Z71?!
Why not just engage all 3 diff locks manually?
I think the intro you gave about going to the war zone and back was about a Land Cruiser not the Land Rover 😂
Nailed it with "just to froofy" lol. I've had nothing but Land Rovers for 30 years, and I just can't make myself fall in love with this thing. LR would have done their job right if it looked like a Bronco or Grenadier (or old Defender) on the outside with the a Defender interior. Right now, it's a plasticky out of proportion mess.
Regarding the shifter, it's a convenient perch to rest your hand on while accessing the screen.
Those rims are 18’s
dear Ryan, can't wait to hear your thoughts on this car versus the new Land Cruiser you've ordered!
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THAT BLUE REAR DOOR LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY GOT A JUNKYARD COLOR MISMATCHED DOOR
never trust opinions of people who write in all caps
@@livinagoodlife NEVER LISTEN TO SHEEP THAT FOLLOW RIDICULOUS FAKE INTERNET RULES
the multi use function of the buttons is pretty neat, and if you play mouse and keyboard on certain video games (like DCS Flight Sim) you would probably get used to a button modifying certain controls really quickly.
Car interfaces always annoyed me after playing real flight sims. The issue is the more "intuitive" interfaces are compromised for speed once you know how to use it.
it really all boils down to the tires, where as if you have crummy ones not meant for the terrain you're bound to not do very well.
If your in comfort mode the parking sensors stay on unless you go to the camera and press off road then it cancels the sensors.
I love this and want one but not this colour scheme. Great review.
I would go for the ineos If I had the money. Currently I n a 4 runner tr off road premium
I have a USA spec ‘17 D5 Diesel. Added the 1.5” Johnson lift and full underside protection and sliders. It has the center and rear locker. It is a beast. With 18” Tuff Ant rims and bigger tires to air down - it is ultra capable. And a good looking vehicle you take to the Opera on the way home. All the modes make a difference. And using the off road cruise control is a unique feature in certain circumstances such as a long steep hill climb.
Ya Land Rover/Range Rover really does not care about the off road market buyer as they want to be up-scale and sell to the rich boulevard cruiser types. I stay good buy to them..my money is now with Rivian
No irony here lol
landrover’s problem was always realebility…
Sounds like there's some terminology overload with "automatic locker". I think of the dumb lockers that are usually spring loaded that are meant to release when turning but lock when under torque going straight. They click if you spin a wheel when the vehicle is up on a lift, confusing mechanics that haven't run into them before. They're one step above just welding the gears of the differential together to make it permanently locked. This one sounds like it's a selectable locker except that it's the vehicle's computer that's turning it on or off instead of the driver. I'd be tempted to call that a selectable locker even if it's not user selectable. They have much better manners than the dumb type of auto-locker.
You can select it on the screen and the centre locker
You guys really miss out not getting the diesel engine in the US.