Joe Rogan Experience
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- Billy Carson is the founder and CEO of the media company 4BiddenKnowledge Inc., and First Class Space Agency, an aerospace company focusing on alternative propulsion and zero-point energy devices. He is also the host of the “4BiddenKnowledge” podcast and co-host of the “Bio-Hack Your Best Life” podcast.
www.4biddenknowledge.com
First Katt then Terrence now Billy! Well done Joe!
All controlled opposition
Naw joe knows these guys speak alotnof crazy nonsense with a bit of hard truth sprinkled here and there and he knows that Will get him mad views
Some “we wuz kangz” Afrocentrism bs, no thanks
Fun few podcasts but full of celebrities who figured out the universe and graced us with their enlightenment hahaha
The real BLM movement.
Thank you Billy for having Joe Rogan on your podcast.
😂
You win the Internet for the day..🎉
:O
But this episode was released 3 mins ago. How do you know what the whole podcast is going to be like?
You guys must be new here. This joke been used more than pornhub
I wanna send a special shout out to Billy's Mom for not brushing him off when he saw something in the sky as a kid! She gave him the greatest gift and gas to go forth and explore beyond. 🤟🏽☺❤
She should be locked in a mental institution.
He was in quantum physics and he has a et experience and when he told his wife she left him thinking he was crazy.
He talks about it a few times
@@Primexelite8680 That’s a shame. Glad that it didn’t stop him though!
@@Primexelite8680 he's not in quantum physics. Stop smoking crack
@@thetalesfromtheheartproject i watch his joe rogan podcast and he said he saw a tic tak like ufo as a kid and his grandma believed in that sruff so he started very early on but understood quatum mechanics very well. I am wrong with the original statement
This has been one of my fave Joe Rogan podcasts of all time.
How
He and terrence should go holding hands to the asylum.
Why?
@@connorjohn5013 all ppl thinking there is a god, should be sent there
this comment section is sad to see. Billy is a moron, everything he said was complet bullshit, if you can see that then you are also a moron
If you think im gonna sit here and listen to Billy Carson for 3 hours ... you absolutely right!!!
lol me too
Except we mostly listened to Joe. Lol
DONT BE STUUPID
I’ll listen, but these dudes that think they know everything about the universe are almost always wrong. It’s entertaining for sure 👍
Absolutely 💯
Buckle your god damn seatbelts folks. I’m rolling up an extra big joint for this one.
Same here! ☺️
Watching two controlled opposition enjoy it 😂
Garbage in, garbage out. At least that's what weed does sometimes.
Shit Mee too I saw this and was like wtf he did it
**coughs** 🙃
Imagine being stuck in a room with Billy Carson and Terrence Howard. Shivers
I’d love that 😊
Plus ounce of meth and a pipe 😀
minus Terrance because most of the stuff he said is wrong, the Eric Weinstein episode is a good reference point.
@@shane1067most of what both of them said is wrong mate. Very very wrong.
@@beggsyful of course. I feel like Billy has more evidence to support some of his claims though. still entertaining nonetheless
I could listen to Joe Rogan and Billy Carson talk all day.
I had a lucid dream where a being was outside earth , looked at us and swiped its hand destroying everything so it makes me feel weird ngl
52:00
The Theories, Billy talks about are mind blowing! Makes you really wonder!
The last month of JRE feels like a throwback to the old school JRE that got us all addicted to listening
I said the same thing. Back to fun.
Church
These topics have become more mainstream so more research and people are talking about it, it is in the zeitgeist 😮
Politics are gonna be everywhere at least until next year and maybe a bit more but hopefully we can get past this bs at some point.
Minus it being live 👎🏽
"Have you talked to Terrance Howard?..."
"Just talked to him 3hours ago"
😂
Terrence is awesome!
@@kariannep1548If you say so, lmao.
Terence Howard (Peace Be Upon Him) is a blessing for us humans, from the patents to the zeolite detox to the rest man life is so amazing!@@kariannep1548
@@boogityhoo7452You don't think he's awesome?! Don't be shy to share your opinion pal we all adults here okay!
Tell joe to get up of his knees.
I’ve been waiting years for this episode. Thank you Joe Rogan and Billy Carson. 🙌🏼
lol “Communicating psychopathically” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
That shit cracked me up
Flint Dibble is gonna have a heart attack when he sees this
No... he's going to go and buy more baggy suits to ease his pain lol
lemme get a quarter of that purple kush and and eighth of that flint dibble
We can hope!
Flint ‘my dad’ dibble 😂
I was thinking about Flint 😂
Old Billy supporters knew this day would come someday. We didn’t know when, but we knew it was inevitable 🔥🔥🔥
Ive been hoping for this for over 5yrs but like you said it was inevitable. Billy is the man from day 1! Iykyk💯
I remember his content from a few years back. Consistency gets you far
I'm having a blast!
Well said
He's been on before
This conversation is on another level!!...Pass the joint!..LOL
I could have listened to another 3 hours of these guys
I’m not dreaming right!!!!! Billy Carson on Joe Rogan!!!!!!!
He's really here. There goes about 3 hours out of my day.
Billy Idol?
Time to hear some crackpot theories 😂😂😂
Same reaction!!!!!
I feel the same way like YESSSS
Terrence: Some people don't believe me.
Billy Carson: Hold my beer.
Lmao
😂😂😂 dude when Terrence was on here I was thinking about billy.lol
Istg!!!!!!
Nah fr😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Get professor dave on your podcast asap
Yeah I’d like to see him on here too, he talks a lot on how most of these guys are fraud. I wonder if he would be able to talk the same game in the same room though.
@Linknelson that's because they are frauds. He speaks on known scientific facts and published works, there is no game. If you believe anything Billy says, you must have a screw loose.
Damn that math problem was kicking their ass 🤣😂😂🤣
40 trillion, not billion😅
Was looking for this. 😂
Billy Carson has been out there for a long time. Terrence Howard mentioned Billy Carson to Joe Rogan. The next time I see Joe on TH-cam he has Billy Carson. That's outstanding. He's finally getting his flowers.
GeTtInG HiS fLoWeRs lol terrance and this guy are absolute clowns
@emceehamma3693 yet you can fact check all of this 🤡
Sorry I don't trust convicted felons who change their name to match a dead man's who actually went to Harvard so he could make his lies sound legit to fool people like you
He's an awesome actor, same as Howard. Good at remembering and reciting there lines.
@@truckingcecil uh huh, im sure you can. A truck driver would definitely be an authority
Joe- “I’m gonna go take a piss break be right back”
Billy- “Your piss break was actually mentioned in ancient text”
😂
🤣 🤣
Lol except he can’t read ancient text. He uses second, third sources and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
@@fun-with-purpose1436 spewing prison wisdom - Free Rashad!!! LMFAO
@@fun-with-purpose1436 The growth of our species relies on people to be able to listen to what others have to say and think and grow from it. If the last few years have taught me anything is that anytime "important" people claim crazy, I turn to the "crazies" and listen to what they have to say. Then the "important" people tend to be the ones who sound crazy, crazy right? The even more crazier part is, time has also shown that the "crazy" ones end up being far more right then the "important" people are. Just crazy all around, this is a great time to be alive.
Good to see Billy come up through the years. I first was introduced to him with his appearance on George Noory’s “coast to coast” radio show talking Anunnaki and ancient civilizations. Since then i had to get my hands on anything this guy touched. Brilliant and well researched where others are too afraid to.
This was awesome, would be cool to have Billy, Terrance, and Grant all on a podcast. Thanks Joe this was great.
We need a 5 hour podcast with billy carson, graham hancock and Terrence howard 😂
Please 🙏
we are not ready!!!!
Alex Jones walks in with Eddie Bravo an hour in 🤣
Can anybody else deal with Joe trying to constantly change the narrative. "Oh you can get crazy with numbers but the pyramid is just crazy..." "oh the alien theory is the most fun"
The people have spoken
Walking among regular humans after watching this podcast is beyond strange.
The combination of Billy Carson and Terrence Howard has me feeling like this😂
There’s normal people walking around that don’t know what DMT is & that trips me out enough.
' After watching this podcast, walking among regular humans is beyond strange ' - fixed it for you.
@@Y.0o0spread the word lmao
😂😂
Fascination over gold:
In the Veda it is told that people in bygone ages used golden pots and dishes.
If you think about this, gold should be the best material for cooking devices.
It doesn't stain, it's heat conducting properties surpass that of copper and it doesn't leak any contamination into the food.
Copper kills bacteria
🎉
This dude would be invited to every party I ever ever have.
Billy Carson fans been waiting years for this!
🎯
Yaaassss!!!
For sure 👍
bro i literally say this to everyone i tell about billy. if he went on here, the ENTIRE world would HAVE to listen.
YES
Next episode will be an alien smoking a blunt
Already had one on. Think it's name was Elon
It will be Enki and Enlil 😂
I think we saw that one already
Elon was already on
😂😂
Joe always surprise me bringing new guest for the viewers
This is the first time I've sat through something this long since college. No regrets at all. This was the best interview I've ever watched. Thanks for mentioning the UCLA CDLA program - it's a game changer.
Bring Billy Carson, Terrence Howard, Randall Carson and Graham Hancock in one episode!
And do it for at least 10h!
And David Icke
and fill the room with marijuana smoke
Meh u can take randall out. Hes aight but wouldnt mesh with them
Dream Team🧬👽🧿🪬
With special guest Eddie Bravo
Billy Carson, Terrence Howard, Alex Jones, Graham Hancock all on one 5 hour podcast let’s go. And Katt Williams.
And Bert Kriescher, as a lowest common denominator that most of us in the audience can relate to. But also because it would be cool to see him stunned to silence, if only to see what it looks like when he shuts tf up 😂😂😂
Eddie Bravo
No Bert.
Randall Carlson and Eddie Bravo should shout comments from the back and cause a disturbance.
Bring 6 bullshit meters
I plan to like every comment... Just because we have joe and billy together... Those who sleep shall awaken!!! I support truth and thise who desire it... I love everyone who reads this like or not i love you... Lets get rhe truth out!!!!
Sad to be you
Is really awesome how a podcast can change the way you see life. Thanks from Colombia Joe and bill
cheers from 😅 ireland , Sláinte
This is the Terrence Howard DLC
😅😂
😂😂😂👏🏼
😅😅
RofL
Good one
@@MrRavenXavier not seen someone use “rofl” for a long time haha forgot it existed
Halfway in and I believe this is the best interview that Billy Carson's done in a while. Joe Rogan is a black belt in podcasting for sure.
Fr❤
Yeah it was ok but he just repeated what he does on his shows. I like the “ what if the god of the Bible is Satan?” ✅
And he is 260 bro
Yea for sure. I was hoping it went well as it did. I could of seen Joe blast him on some things and call him out, but he was interacting in the what if of it all and could be of it. Great podcast. Billy did well. Mentioned some new info and just a great show. It's funny how ppl will be so negative and blast people for liking this stuff. Those negative ppl need to find purpose in life. Good grief
Joes turn the JRE into nothing more than a friendly soccer moms chit chat show. He doesn't dive into the guests ideas anymore and instead wants to bounce off his own knuckle head ideas he read from twitter. He does it to all the guests now, its a shame.
AROUND THE 2 hour mark is what more people need to think and talk!!! JOE ROGAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!
So Joe doesn't realize Thoth is the same guy Katt Williams was speaking about.
I’ve been waiting on this moment for 5 years. Thank you Joe Rogan and Billy Carson 🙏🏽💫
Everyone that reads this I send out positive vibes to you.
❤❤❤
🥰💓💓
Sending good vibes back, brotha! From my spot on this rock to yours!
🧠❤🙌🏻
🤍🕊🤍
I can't believe this finally happened. Ever since I saw Billy Carson I wanted him on JR. This is awesome.
Me too! ❤
Me too! ❤
You see him on flagrant yet? That was a good episode
RIGHT!
You guys have a large appetite for COMPLETE BULLSHIT! How can anyone take this fool seriously when he claims to have degrees from Harvard and MIT when it’s public knowledge that he just attended two FREE online seminars (from each institution respectively) that offer a certificate of attendance………. He’s a great liar, and has an uncanny ability to recall this information that he has gathered from books and online.
This interview is easily one of my top 5 all time!
Should have asked Billy, "Where are the Emerald Tablets of Thoth". 🤣
Katt, Terrence, Billy.....we need a 6 hour episode with all of them plus Alex Jones.
Facts lmao with Ben Shapiro Andrew Tate with Jordon Paterson as Moderator
@@Noticeonlynot Ben
One of them things doesn't belong there
Nope, he needs Eric Dubay and Paul Wallis
Add KanYe & Eddie Bravo.
Dude has a great sounding voice, almost like a young Morgan freeman. Easy to listen to
He’s 50 plus
And looks like robert downey jr in tropic thunder
@@ryanmarin3099Which is funny because Billy is a dude playing another dude, changed his name to masquerade as a Harvard graduate.
@@ryanmarin3099 na nigga you wild for this😂😂
That’s what it is…he sounds like a younger Morgan Freeman
This is one of Joe's all time best episodes easily.
Yesss! Can we get David Icke next
No chance he gets icke on he’s to in the ball and don’t like Joe
Billy is finally on JRE 🎉🎉 What an amazing time to be alive!!!!!
Thank you Joe!!!
It's not the first time
Must be your first time @saraerin9457
Accept Jesus Christ he loves u died n rose again for ur forgiveness 🙏🏽❤️
I was literally uttering these exact words just now 😂
@@p000tsyes it is ??????
Katt Williams - crawling
Terrance Howard - walking
Billy Carson - fully running circles around us all 😂
Hahaha facts
Good Analogy. And, Dr. Robert Gilbert is flying around the planet.
A black man smarter than you is kinda spooky 😂
@@Essence22221who’s that I gotta check him out
Terrance Howard isn't even walking
I wish everyone would watch this at least one time. ❤
Manual transmission here 🙋🏻♀️ i don’t even bother locking my doors 😂 no one knows how to drive a manual🤷🏻♀️
I do. 😅
Meanwhile in Europe more than 80% of the cars have manual transmission…
Seeing Billy Carson show up on JRE on my day off is the ultimate gift! Got my beer and popcorn ready here on my East Coast couch at 9:30am... 😂
damn, I'm kinda jealous.
Day off on Wednesday?
Can I come over?😅
This has me laughing, thank you 🤣
Feet up wiggling your toes, ac on 71°, coffee with perfect touch of bitter, serenity.
FINALLY. Billy Carson on JR. My life is complete.
❤❤
Embarassing🫣🫣
😁😁😁❤️🤸♀️🙏
Me too😮😮😮😮🎉🎉🎉
💯
I always liked the way Mr. Rogan does his interview.
Billy Carson is a brilliant, fascinating human being! Thank you
Man I was having a bad day, opened up TH-cam and what do I see...BILLY CARSON ON JOE ROGAN!? LET'S GOOOOOO!!!!🎉🎉🎉
Buckle yourself we are watching another mental health issue on display on this episode
Billy is amazing ❤❤❤
@@kidusgetachew9215 TH-cam won't tell you I disliked your comment.
@@kidusgetachew9215you still have numbers on the end of your name FN 🫵😂
@@JayFetti8 D'oh thanks for informing me 🤣
The day the internet will blow up is when Joe Rogan has on David Icke.
That or Alex Jones after this election.
The guy that was telling people the royals was literally lizard shapeshifters 😂 no thanks
@@tysouth4691 the fact that the first thing you associate David Icke with is a man who talks about "lizard people"...just goes to prove that the media programming has done a number on you. David Icke talks about alot more things than just "shapeshifters"...David Icke has been talking about metaphysics and the nature of reality since back in the 90s and it aligns up perfectly with everything scientist/physicist are just now discovering.
@@tysouth4691 bro those are facts 😂
@@tysouth4691mf who are you to say he's wrong? 😂
I can listen to Billy Carson for hours and hours and never get bored but always learn something new
@ 50:02
That "woah...okay!?" Had me dying bro.
real trust me bro energy right there. no need for facts to backup his bs, just trust him bro he knows
We need a "Protect our Parks" version with Billy Carson, Terrence Howard, and Katt Williams!
Protect our Projects
Faaaacts
Agree!
🔥🔥🔥 idea 💡
PROTECT OUR PLANETS😂
Petition for a Protect Our Parks "Special Edition" with Terrence Howard, Billy Carson, Katt Williams and Bob Lazaar 😂
PROTECT OUR PLANETS😂
Except Bob actually understands science
Leave Bob outta this
Legendary
That would be amazing but it would have to be like 10 hours long lol
So nice to see Billy on here with Joe because I knew they'd have an awesome conversation! Billy Carson is a great example of hard work and success...not to mention he's smart af!
💀
How does one man have so much information!!!??? Mind blowing!
Because he is a fraud.
When they make stuff up
Yes 👍✋!! Because he's making up a bunch of bullshit like a little punk ass kid that doesn't get enough attention
@@TheKennyboy92you must be someone who listens to the government
@@ballout7956 You must be someone that listens to hacks....
Holy shit am I on DMT trippin balls or did Joe Rogan actually have Billy Carson on his podcast? been waiting for this for YEARS
❤️🙏🏼❤️
It’s finally completed: th-cam.com/video/MNjgkcdflzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-Mj1ML829b2GE9jw
Enjoy brother
Yeah.,is about time .,
felt this coming soon. and here it is !
This that 2016 JRE right here
Why wasn't Billy on a lot earlier then?
Right that this 2016 JRE here
W
The real ones know
Haha that’s when I started listening to JRE. That or it was 2015.
I still remember the first full episode of JRE I’ve listened to, with Duncan Trussell & Christopher Ryan. That was such a good listen imo
What a episode! I've watched it about 5 times 😂😂.
I always feel so enlightened and enriched whenever I watch these fascinating podcasts!
Can’t believe this day has come. Billy on the Joe Rogan podcast! Hell yes
He's a grifter
billy changed names 4 times . hes a scammer
Excited? Billy is yet another person that reads the beginning of a physics concept and then purely off of conjecture talk about how that explains some fictional nonsense he's pushing. Anyone making conclusions about human origins or supernatural phenomena using quantum physics is either, ignorant, or malicious. Nothing he says anywhere is of actual substance
@@Rebel8MAC if that's your attitude I'm astonished you listen to this podcast, ever
@@dimedraweriv258prove it, or are u here for attention
Joe on Saturday night "what a fight!!"
Joe on Monday "so about the Annunaki.."
Hilarious!
This comment. I'm dead bro.
On point
Kat, Terrence, & Billy all went so crazy they figured out the universe then calmed down.
😂
PETABYTESS CRAZY..ngl this slowly bringing those history tv vibes back !! Keep up the good work JOE!
I don’t watch every podcast of Joe but never seen him got blown away this much !
Neil Degrasse Tyson head is probably exploding right now 😂😂
more than a neutron bomb bruh
Forget that sicko he’s not an authority on anything he gave that up when playing along with the narrative
I am in between a rock and a hard place. I don't believe the mainstream anymore, but I don't believe Carson either.😂
😂😂😂
@@Roguescienceguywhy don’t you believe the mainstream?
I think my pineal gland just came.
😆
Me2 mines dripping hot honey mustard
Twice!💦💦
ya.....you woke up 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
I SEE BILLY CARSON BECOMING A REGULAR ON JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE.
IF U AGREE LIKE THIS COMMENT 😅
I wanna see Carson and Howard on a show together. The level of nonsense they could generate would probably cause the world to implode.
Unreal, just last week I checked to see if Billy Carson was ever on JRE and he was not, then behold this pop's up in my feed today, love it!!!!!
SAME!!!! Literally just last week!!!!!!!!
@@jillwaffle6140 he must have heard us haha
I cant lie this made my day. Ive been binge watching Billy Carson for the last month.
Now look into Steven Greer and the interviews from the military whistleblowers.
Then you sir are certified crazy in most people's eyes now. Lol welcome to The club!! Ha ha at least we know what's up. Lots of shit they don't teach us about and it's on purpose.
Damn I got intrigued since his appearance on the Flagrant podcast
Dude same but only because of Terrence Howard haha I used to be so into the whole pyramid power plant theory when I was younger so it was cool to revisit that
@@samcpea95 yeah then have the realisation that they peddle this nonsense FOR THE GOVERNMENT. Still need that paycheck at the end of the month.
thanks to both of you for enlightening us , Im sure everyone really appreciates it
This one is def worth a rewatch
This is giving me old school Rogan vibes! (Goosebumps) 😬
Me too!! ❤
It’s been a trip witnessing, in real time, all these forward thinkers come together and join the dots about the origins of humanity. What a time to be alive!
Don’t get too excited it’s fake news
And it's a great day to be alive
I know the sun's still shining
When I close my eyes
Agree. Very serendipitous, is it not?
And making absolutely no difference in the landscape of destruction laid out for you.
*backwards thinkers lmao
The world needs another episode with billy
Joe Rogan has one of the best Job in the world. 🙌🏽😁
I've been waiting for Billy Carson to come on JRE for years. The chemistry is on point
Maurice Doreal faked the emerald tablets...its a grift
Joe: "How old are you Billy?"
Billy: "Fifty three..."
Joe: "So you and I are around the same age..."
Billy: "...thousands years old."
Truth
Damn! Billy looks great for 50s 💪
50 thousands*@@michaelrobertson1736
😂
Lmao
This man is good sci-fi stories teller.very entertaining.he could be next Steven King lol😂
is it me or joe said “ experiting “ the second time 🤣🤣 he my dawg tho 🔥🔥
This is the most 'Joe Rogan' Joe Rogan guest.
Agreed. & Might I Add:
They Roganed the Joe outta this convo.
You might be onto something...
Agree’d this guy is clearly a grifter who lies about everything.
You mean like "Dumb and Dumber"?
@@Dawg476you obviously don’t fact check and just speak on what your brain tells you what can and can’t be true based on your knowledge. Things are coming to light and books are being rewritten and science has to rethink everything they thought to be true. This is a great time to be alive.
I really think Joe is having some of the most important conversations in recent human history. Amazing.
nah not really they are fun though lol
Surprising that you are able to comprehend written language while making a statement like that
L M F A O
He has been since day 1
That is definitely a debatable comment 😏
Joe get us 19 keys and Billy on the show they are amazing together
I just admire all these guy's work...
Flint Dibble thinking “maybe Hancock is quite a reasonable guy” 😂
🤣🤣
I was thinking the same thing 😂
I still can't believe flint dibble called grams work racist 😂 dudes a clown 🤡🤡🤡 how can research be racist? Absolutely ridiculous
“ But did you know my father was Indiana Jones? “
LOL
How many of y’all have been waiting for years for Billy to get on JRE
👋👋👋👋👋🤗
Man he’s got me lowkey mad at him. He’s clearly riding the wave and I hate it. He’s had he boy bravo and Alex Jones on here a million times and never called these guys. Why now is it ok.
Like 1.5
I was literally looking for this episode yesterday.
The universe has aligned our energy once again
Get over it dummy. @Phillyboi215
I love this episode! What an awesome dude Billy is.
If our telescopes took a picture of a fake plane, everyone would have a banner as their fb pic lol
Joe's return to TH-cam has been wild!
Im glad he came back but does anyone know what happened? Why he came back to TH-cam? because hes still on Spotify, and i do remember he said when he went to Spotify it was in his contract that he couldn't post the full interviews on TH-cam anymore that they were exclusively to Spotify he could only post like snippets or short form content/interviews on TH-cam.
He sure knows what the simpletons want and how the algorithm works. I do like that he kind of tries to educate Carson somewhat😂
Spotify realized that spending as much as they did for the previous contract wasnt going to direct as many people (Joe established audience) to their platform as Joe brought the first time, because they're already there. Spotify is also more difficult for the general public to access vs TH-cam. It makes more sense now to have him be ubiquitous, for a smaller fee, and drive newcomers back to Spotify. There's been a few articles written about it, and a bunch of youtube videos onnthe subject. 🙂 @@georgetterobinson01
@@Roguescienceguy I was surprised how he almost didnt say a word in terrence interview. and here he kept going and going lol
@@TEXXTO probably because of the backlash he received after that one. Also, Billy isn't a narcissist like Terrence who thinks everybody's after him. It's a little easier to have an actual conversation with him.
Billy Carson on Joe Rogan podcast,this day should be made a public holiday
FAAAAACTS
lol dude is so full of shit
Snake oil day?
Something like Pearl Harbor day?
Look up Maurice Doreal...its all a grift sadly
The myth of radioactive skeletons found in Mohenjo Daro is not based on any valid evidence:
• There are not many but only one skeleton.
• This skeleton is Egyptian and not Indian.
• Its radioactivity is absolutely normal.
They just hit the proverbial nail on the head when the oligart strategy was revealed.