have been testing this deck out a bunch and have found 1 iron thorns to come up alot more then i thought it would and really good into certain matchups, also moving that one energy is actually pretty good, you can move it to a comfey for a retreat later or to a pikachu/sableye for next turn attack
I'm surprised l can actually build this deck. I'm new and I have invested my credits in Gardi ex because I found the play style fun and interesting. Today I finally got all the pieces for a good Gardevoir deck. Time to practice and also grind for other archetypes. I also have prime catcher because Roaring Moon EX was the first competitive list l built.
@@dark3176 Basically yes. You wanna use Cramorant(Blue Duck as you called it) early(Usually should be doable if you do early dance with Comfeys). Pikachu is your heavy hitter and Sableeye is there to spread damage counters to finish those pesky runaways. But you have one more attacker available. That is Radiant Greninja whom you ocasionally fire up by using Mirage gate for mid game. Especially if you wanna prep for next stage or to hit benched low hp ones(Or to damage things like Pika Ex so you can finish them later)
Me and a few buddies built this deck and it's super fun. We've also tried it with the new wo chien and it's so gas. Turns out mini kyogre is still just busted lol Edit: we ended up swapping it for iron hands. Pika covers so many things u just don't really need it anymore in our imo
@@NeoDoomBot it was the aqua storm kyogre that rotated. Ud get ur deck to nothing and energy recycle 5 energies back into the deck to take 4 prizes against any basic Vs in the endgame
@@Vapor966 I would if I could. I forgot to put it on limitless and gutted the deck later for other projects. It was basically like the old turbo lost zone lists with 4 pokestops and 4 vacuums except no bear, hands, or moon, and instead played pika and new wo chien. With the space I was also trying to play a few pokegears but I couldn't quite fit them in. All in all very sweet tho would recommend
2 cards I've been using wondering if you've considered: Sparking Crystal. Prime is good but Crystal sets up Pikachu so much easier and let's mirage Gate alone set it up ready to attack Latias: helps move around more especially in the beginning without wasting carts/switches
I'm trying to play with it and it's really fun until now to me I love Pikachu LZ ! Though I have questions to maybe improve my deck if you Azul and guys want to help me :) How do you feel about having to put either Sableye or Psy in the LZ ? Then the two cards become more or less useless except if you use the energy for Iron Hands but then it is better to have another Steal for example. How do you feel about having two Pikachus to not lose one dumnly in the LZ or having to super rod ? Finally how do you feel about not having Water energy and using Greninja only as a draw engine ? Many thanks !
I was play testing this deck just the other day and I gotta say the deck is busted because pikachu is a rough patch to get over with since the pikachu will survive 2 turns most of the time. Which allows you to win a 2 prize card trade. Kind of busted. And for charizard deck, sable eye can clean up if you cant hit that 330hp OHKO. Im having a blast with the deck.
I always play one tm devo to piss off people with stage 2 decks after attacking with greninja. I cut pokestop to 3 and put one tm devo in my deck and works fine tbh
Also against ancient box if they benched ninja that’s amp target and u can spit twice then ninja or sableye attack later in the game, roxanne is also busted against the ancient box mu
@@DKong1026bolt players have to iron bundle and coin flip catcher back to ko turtle, it's not that easy tbh. A lot of them don't even play boss or bundle, so all they have is prime catcher and coin flip catchers, which they often have to discard with squawk. In theory, bolt has gust options but in reality they are very limited
@@RubenFernandoTorres eh, prime and flip catcher are in every list, almost all play boss, some play bundle. So that is 4 very viable gust options and the second they see the turtle they're going to hold gust. 180 is not enough damage output against bolt.
I personally think Stellar Pikachu ex with Sparkling Crystal + Crispin + Penny + Roseanne's Backup is the best SP ex build. It's much faster and more aggressive than the SP ex version of Lost Box. I often win games with the same SP ex because I'll Penny it back to my hand after they've attacked it and replay it, then Crispin to attack again. If I don't have a Crispin I quick search it with Pidgeot ex or get it with Greninja. In some games my opponent ignores SP ex and switches in one of my benched pokemon to ko. I run a Bloodmoon Ursaluna ex as a backup in case I run out of steam just 1 ko away from victory while my opponent is also about to win. Roseanne's Backup is there to get Sparkling Crystal back in your deck in case it's discarded. It can also put a stadium or energy back in deck, but main purpose is Sparkling Crystal. Super Rods of course get energy back in your deck for Crispins. Bianca's Devotion is great as well. Of course you can't Penny or Bianca in the same turn you Crispin, which has never been an issue anyways. Sparkling Crystal + Magneton solves the problem of too many supporter pieces, but Magneton is a lot more vulnerable than a non-pokemon energy replenisher.
have been testing this deck out a bunch and have found 1 iron thorns to come up alot more then i thought it would and really good into certain matchups, also moving that one energy is actually pretty good, you can move it to a comfey for a retreat later or to a pikachu/sableye for next turn attack
I'm surprised l can actually build this deck. I'm new and I have invested my credits in Gardi ex because I found the play style fun and interesting. Today I finally got all the pieces for a good Gardevoir deck. Time to practice and also grind for other archetypes. I also have prime catcher because Roaring Moon EX was the first competitive list l built.
Well lost box is quite cheap on Pokemon TCG Live, if you do not care about card rarity.
@@jrandula Oh. Also can you explain something about this deck to me? Are my attackers here just Pika, Blue duck and Sable-eye? Only 3?
@@jrandula Oh I forgot there's also an Iron hands ex😅. 4 attackers. Now I feel more comfortable with the list.
@@dark3176 Basically yes. You wanna use Cramorant(Blue Duck as you called it) early(Usually should be doable if you do early dance with Comfeys). Pikachu is your heavy hitter and Sableeye is there to spread damage counters to finish those pesky runaways. But you have one more attacker available. That is Radiant Greninja whom you ocasionally fire up by using Mirage gate for mid game. Especially if you wanna prep for next stage or to hit benched low hp ones(Or to damage things like Pika Ex so you can finish them later)
@@dark3176 IH is good when you are dealing with Single prize decks.
Me and a few buddies built this deck and it's super fun. We've also tried it with the new wo chien and it's so gas. Turns out mini kyogre is still just busted lol
Edit: we ended up swapping it for iron hands. Pika covers so many things u just don't really need it anymore in our imo
Is it the Wave Summoning Kyogre?
Could you share your list please?
@@NeoDoomBot it was the aqua storm kyogre that rotated. Ud get ur deck to nothing and energy recycle 5 energies back into the deck to take 4 prizes against any basic Vs in the endgame
@@Vapor966 I would if I could. I forgot to put it on limitless and gutted the deck later for other projects. It was basically like the old turbo lost zone lists with 4 pokestops and 4 vacuums except no bear, hands, or moon, and instead played pika and new wo chien. With the space I was also trying to play a few pokegears but I couldn't quite fit them in. All in all very sweet tho would recommend
42:52 your opponent probably forgot that you can still use your ability. Because i did😂
Hi Azul, how do you decide to use a single metal energy instead of a single grass?
2 cards I've been using wondering if you've considered:
Sparking Crystal. Prime is good but Crystal sets up Pikachu so much easier and let's mirage Gate alone set it up ready to attack
Latias: helps move around more especially in the beginning without wasting carts/switches
Latias kinda feels bad cuz you don’t want two prizers on the field as LZB
I see the idea but you don't want weak 2 prize liabilities on the board with lz
The crystal sounds good
I'm trying to play with it and it's really fun until now to me I love Pikachu LZ ! Though I have questions to maybe improve my deck if you Azul and guys want to help me :) How do you feel about having to put either Sableye or Psy in the LZ ? Then the two cards become more or less useless except if you use the energy for Iron Hands but then it is better to have another Steal for example. How do you feel about having two Pikachus to not lose one dumnly in the LZ or having to super rod ? Finally how do you feel about not having Water energy and using Greninja only as a draw engine ? Many thanks !
I was play testing this deck just the other day and I gotta say the deck is busted because pikachu is a rough patch to get over with since the pikachu will survive 2 turns most of the time. Which allows you to win a 2 prize card trade. Kind of busted. And for charizard deck, sable eye can clean up if you cant hit that 330hp OHKO. Im having a blast with the deck.
when you can't hit the 330hp OHKO not if
I always play one tm devo to piss off people with stage 2 decks after attacking with greninja. I cut pokestop to 3 and put one tm devo in my deck and works fine tbh
You already have a winning mu into stage 2 decks rn. Should use that spot for something else
how about adding terapagos, can deal with one prize ancient box and raging bolt
Vs Ancient Box that could be pretty good but against Bolt it's just bad. Doesn't KO anything and if they play well they can double gust it to KO it.
Also against ancient box if they benched ninja that’s amp target and u can spit twice then ninja or sableye attack later in the game, roxanne is also busted against the ancient box mu
Playing the pikachu and an ursaluna would just be a lot more proactive
@@DKong1026bolt players have to iron bundle and coin flip catcher back to ko turtle, it's not that easy tbh. A lot of them don't even play boss or bundle, so all they have is prime catcher and coin flip catchers, which they often have to discard with squawk. In theory, bolt has gust options but in reality they are very limited
@@RubenFernandoTorres eh, prime and flip catcher are in every list, almost all play boss, some play bundle. So that is 4 very viable gust options and the second they see the turtle they're going to hold gust. 180 is not enough damage output against bolt.
How does this fair vs Acient Box Moon? Too slow i think
Tina would be mad coz pikachu ex stellar is the new lost box ehehehe
giratina lost zone is completely different from lost zone box (lost box doesn’t play giratina)
Match against terapagos if they had just benched 2 boofs all their little guys would've been out of range of ninja
I personally think Stellar Pikachu ex with Sparkling Crystal + Crispin + Penny + Roseanne's Backup is the best SP ex build. It's much faster and more aggressive than the SP ex version of Lost Box.
I often win games with the same SP ex because I'll Penny it back to my hand after they've attacked it and replay it, then Crispin to attack again. If I don't have a Crispin I quick search it with Pidgeot ex or get it with Greninja.
In some games my opponent ignores SP ex and switches in one of my benched pokemon to ko. I run a Bloodmoon Ursaluna ex as a backup in case I run out of steam just 1 ko away from victory while my opponent is also about to win.
Roseanne's Backup is there to get Sparkling Crystal back in your deck in case it's discarded. It can also put a stadium or energy back in deck, but main purpose is Sparkling Crystal. Super Rods of course get energy back in your deck for Crispins.
Bianca's Devotion is great as well. Of course you can't Penny or Bianca in the same turn you Crispin, which has never been an issue anyways. Sparkling Crystal + Magneton solves the problem of too many supporter pieces, but Magneton is a lot more vulnerable than a non-pokemon energy replenisher.
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