@@ObsidianHide idk twin having to sacrifice playing the supporter for turn on energy acceleration besides anything else when there’s other ways to do it isn’t ideal twin!!!
@@Windrammer Well you thin out 2 cards, if you play greninja you also have a solid +2 draw additionally. Having to rely on colress that might be prized, ffs and the ace spec engergy that could be prized, is risky too.
This will be much better once Manaphy rotates. Right now, it almost seems worth it to play a lost city just for it. A Dusknoir line to try and activate counter gain and get rid of Manaphy in the process sounds good too.
Whether your opponent has teras on the bench will matter as well. Lumineon and Rotom will be targets for Obsidian but they are rotating soon so instead Fez and Latias may be prime targets.
When trying to test this deck, i use a Xatu draw engine with pecharunt, dark patch and binding mochi. Binding mochi allows Hydreigon ex to OHKO most big basic in format and at the later stages once u charge the second attk, ur spread now do 170 dmg
I think Luminous Energy helps quite a bit so you can attack but still have Enamorus V protection. Other than when you attach the Neo Upper you’d always rather have that to attach than a metal energy. Edit: jk it doesn’t work with Turbo energize
The fact that Hydreigon also partially mills your opponent is terrifying. You could make 2 versions of Hydreigon ex, one is the one Azul showed and the other is a pure mill out which can potentially scares the hell out of even Snorlax Stall
I think the "normal" Version can do it kinda fine by only playing down deino -> Duodino and milling 2 per Turn. You dodge the Fan, can Iono your Hand back and could win in a pure mill warfare
something to consider is that the only thing this deck needs is time, i feel that dusknoir not only requires more candy, but also speeds up the game before you can drop multiple obsidian attacks. however, the dusk becomes way better with a more headbutt heavy disrupt approach
I would also recomend Giovannis Carisma rlly comes in clutch when I had my greninja ex and rlly slows down the player especially if they low on energy cards.
For the pronunciations: The whole joke of the Hydreigon line is that it contains the german words for 1 2 3 D Ein o Zwei lous Hy drei gon So they're pronounced Dye-no Zwai-less Hy-Dry-gun
Evidente que são testes prévios do deck já que ainda não lançou, mas eu prefiro jogar focando somente no 1° ataque. É muito trabalho 4 energias sendo 3 de tipos diferentes para dar somente 130 em 3 pokemon em um meta com Manaphy. Prefiro 200 no ativo e ele começar a perder cartas do deck. Enfim, muitas possibilidades.
I agree -- the main problem with these new stellar ex cards is that they all have an attack that needs 3 energies of different types, and it's for this reason that most of the ones that are available right now aren't seeing that much play in the current meta. It's a similar situation to how dragon Pokemon aren't always very good, or how the amazing rare cards didn't have much viability at first: trying to run a deck that uses more than 1 energy type is naturally pretty inconsistent because you often need ways to accelerate each of them (if you're not focused one just one primarily), so unless there are cards that specifically cater to these kinds of attacks, they usually are too awkward to use
@@dawidmelnarowicz5751 okay and true, as I'm sure you can appreciate as a new player I'm trying to avoid spending money on decks/cards that will be rotating out soon enough
why is no one talkiing about using the basic terapogos from surging sparks to accelerate energy to hydreigon. You want to go second and can get it and set it up first turn to get 3 energy to a deino for second turn hydreigon with 4 energy. use a switch or prime catcher to get terapogos out and now you're hitting for 130 x 3 on turn 2
@@domingoaltermattedwards6209turbo energize is an attack and only gets you 2 energy where terapogos gets you 3. Same energy cost. Turbo energize only has the benefit of being used while deino or hydregon is active. Terapogos is a one prizer who can get you dragon setup then just retreat with like rescue board
Is it worth to run the 3 energy colors? Considering Neo Upper, and that you can deal damage and get KOs with only Dark energies, its seems that the deck loses consistency if you run all 3. Maybe you can cut the 3 metal and increase the other 2 colors
I know you are probably seeking Azul's response, but while you wait I'll give my two cents. canceling requires a gust for active spot to work, so it becomes reliant on counter catcher since we are using supporter to set up (arven, tenacity). not sure it's worth that specific slotting.
The most reliable answer to Manaphy right now from what I can tell seems to be Dusknoir, as it can knock it out with it's ability pretty easily once you get it set up
Since enamorus doesn't protect itself it would be shut off by thorns anyways. Even if it did, since you would need to attach an energy to put the ability online, thorns activates first so enamorus would have no ability
@@Aztre40 i mean, I didn't say he shouldn't have made the video(?) I simply said the card in my opinion sucks (which is also not so obvious since it's winning city Leagues)
Personally, I think that it's only really good for the first attack: the damage could admittedly be better, but it's easier to get off and milling your opponent out of resources could be decent. The other attack, obsidian, while potentially insane if you're able to pull it off, feels a bit too clunky to me given it's ridiculous energy cost on a stage 2 card
Because you need energies of multiple different types, and neo upper energy can provide you with any 2 you need on a stage 2 Pokemon, so obviously it synergizes really well with Hydreigon. If you use sparkling crystal to try to get off the second attack, obsidian, you still need to find a way to get 3 energies onto it; also note that because it's a tool card, crystal can be gotten rid of by things like lost vacuum. But mainly, neo upper energy effectively lets you use whatever other 2 energies you like to power up Hydreigon ex's obsidian attack, and the deck also plays another way to reduce the energy cost in counter gain, which not only makes sparkling crystal redundant, but it doesn't take up your ace spec slot in the deck, either. This is all mostly theory crafting at this point, but those seem to be the main reasons from what I can tell as to why neo upper energy is the preferred ace spec in this list
@@matthewkuscienko4616 i seeeee. I just wondered because neo also takes up your attachment for turn, so kinda has the same result as Crystal in that regard? Excluding counter gain ofc. Interesting…can’t wait to see the optimal builds!!
@@matthewkuscienko4616 I also thought that pidgeot seems terrible in this deck - same as dragapult ex. But that’s also the only way to find neo upper…as opposed to arven who can grab the crystal and is a probable 4-of anyway. I agree that sacking counter gain is sad tho…it’s a weird one. Cutting pidge also allows more dark patch/crispin maybe, also helping back up the absence of Neo upper. Not trying to yk argue, just genuinely interested in how it’ll all pan out!
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I think Crispin, Janine and dark patch are solid options to energize it fast and make the deck more aggressive
Exactly, Crispin is not appreciated enough, he comes in clutch for me all the time.
Crispin goat
@@ObsidianHide idk twin having to sacrifice playing the supporter for turn on energy acceleration besides anything else when there’s other ways to do it isn’t ideal twin!!!
If you aren't putting crispin in these big Tera decks then you effin upppp
@@Windrammer Well you thin out 2 cards, if you play greninja you also have a solid +2 draw additionally. Having to rely on colress that might be prized, ffs and the ace spec engergy that could be prized, is risky too.
Azul when asked about Hydreigon: I'm not concerned about future decks
Azul when publishing videos:
Hahaha but tbf it’s way easier to discuss in a pre recorded video compared to answering a question in the moment
One thing I have quickly learnt since picking up the game earlier this year is that the hype is rarely ever accurate
Depends of your goal. Pokémon is a geeat tcg to have fun. Thanksfully some players Plays others things than top tiers decks
This will be much better once Manaphy rotates. Right now, it almost seems worth it to play a lost city just for it. A Dusknoir line to try and activate counter gain and get rid of Manaphy in the process sounds good too.
Dusking a manaphy doesn’t unlock counter, but I like the idea regardless
manaphy aint even seeing play rn dawg
Whether your opponent has teras on the bench will matter as well. Lumineon and Rotom will be targets for Obsidian but they are rotating soon so instead Fez and Latias may be prime targets.
The 2nd way to pronounce Deino was good. Its from the German ein zwei drei ( 1 2 3 )
I think its "D-Eye-No" as its 1, 2 and 3 in german which is Eins "Eye-ns" (1) Zwei "Z-vy" (2) and Drei "Dry" (3)
When trying to test this deck, i use a Xatu draw engine with pecharunt, dark patch and binding mochi. Binding mochi allows Hydreigon ex to OHKO most big basic in format and at the later stages once u charge the second attk, ur spread now do 170 dmg
Damage to the bench is still 130 Simce its damage to the active Pokémon
I think the grass weakness and all the energy it needs attached to function hurts it right now with all the ogerpon running wild.
I love this video format!!
Keep up the good work
As a German speaker, I’ll help out with the pronunciation:
DY-no
TSVY-lohs
Hy-DRY-gon
They’re base off German numbers of 1/2/3.
I don't think people care.
@@manleyfgc7981 i do
@@manleyfgc7981comments like this make you look like you were abused by your step dad, just sayin.
I care
@@manleyfgc7981waaaaaah bubby had a bad day
I think Luminous Energy helps quite a bit so you can attack but still have Enamorus V protection. Other than when you attach the Neo Upper you’d always rather have that to attach than a metal energy.
Edit: jk it doesn’t work with Turbo energize
Tera orb could be fun in dragapult too. Less cost compared to ultra balls
AYE yooooooo
I wonder if you can squeeze a 1-1 dusknoir in this to try get "behind" in prize cards quickly
First look i thought it would be too expensive. Neo upper and the tool seem to work good.
Would use Chrispin too.
This way You might also be able to play munkidori
Charizard: " *Look at they need to do mimic a fraction of my power* "
The fact that Hydreigon also partially mills your opponent is terrifying. You could make 2 versions of Hydreigon ex, one is the one Azul showed and the other is a pure mill out which can potentially scares the hell out of even Snorlax Stall
I think the "normal" Version can do it kinda fine by only playing down deino -> Duodino and milling 2 per Turn.
You dodge the Fan, can Iono your Hand back and could win in a pure mill warfare
I am so gonna try this deck. Maybe not exactly like this, Dusknoir is way too good not to play it would surely try to squeeze it in somehow
same thoughts here.😊😮 Thinking about these multiprice turns😂
something to consider is that the only thing this deck needs is time, i feel that dusknoir not only requires more candy, but also speeds up the game before you can drop multiple obsidian attacks. however, the dusk becomes way better with a more headbutt heavy disrupt approach
Thanks for doing this, I'm going give this version a try
I would also recomend Giovannis Carisma rlly comes in clutch when I had my greninja ex and rlly slows down the player especially if they low on energy cards.
1:52 but isn’t dusknoir an ability that causes damage? Effect is when you attack with a pokemon right(the description under certain attacks)?
Enamorous protects effects from abilities, not attacks.
For the pronunciations:
The whole joke of the Hydreigon line is that it contains the german words for 1 2 3
D Ein o
Zwei lous
Hy drei gon
So they're pronounced
Dye-no
Zwai-less
Hy-Dry-gun
would love to see hydreigon be good but initial thoughts, its just seems too slow in this super fast format
Evidente que são testes prévios do deck já que ainda não lançou, mas eu prefiro jogar focando somente no 1° ataque. É muito trabalho 4 energias sendo 3 de tipos diferentes para dar somente 130 em 3 pokemon em um meta com Manaphy. Prefiro 200 no ativo e ele começar a perder cartas do deck. Enfim, muitas possibilidades.
I agree -- the main problem with these new stellar ex cards is that they all have an attack that needs 3 energies of different types, and it's for this reason that most of the ones that are available right now aren't seeing that much play in the current meta. It's a similar situation to how dragon Pokemon aren't always very good, or how the amazing rare cards didn't have much viability at first: trying to run a deck that uses more than 1 energy type is naturally pretty inconsistent because you often need ways to accelerate each of them (if you're not focused one just one primarily), so unless there are cards that specifically cater to these kinds of attacks, they usually are too awkward to use
there is also a good hydreigon that could be used for charging the 2nd hydreigon
Hopefully this is good. I want stage 2 decks to get some more love. Didn’t know about the enamorous 🤔
So excited to try this bad boy with dusknoir
how would you say hydregion does against snorlax block?
all I’d change in terms of this style of build is another stadium bump
I would 100% play crispin
After rotation what would you do for the draw engine? As a new player trying to look past the rotation
We have almost half a year and 2 unknown setlists before rotation. It's pretty early to tell for now because we might get something we don't know yet
@@dawidmelnarowicz5751 okay and true, as I'm sure you can appreciate as a new player I'm trying to avoid spending money on decks/cards that will be rotating out soon enough
GG as in Galaxy Gas?
Why Turo over pecharunt if it was just for getting unstuck from the active? Pecharunt ex at least can work as a back up attacker
Also no Munkidori? Surely that gets huge value turning the Obsidian attack into atleast one 160, that knocks out a Squawkabily!
@@CutlassBoardgames with how much energy hungry the card is I don't think you really got a turn to manually attach to Munkidori
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why is no one talkiing about using the basic terapogos from surging sparks to accelerate energy to hydreigon. You want to go second and can get it and set it up first turn to get 3 energy to a deino for second turn hydreigon with 4 energy. use a switch or prime catcher to get terapogos out and now you're hitting for 130 x 3 on turn 2
sorry just read the card you would have to get hydreigon first but still I think there's something there to play with
Turbo energize is much more fast than going for an attack to search energy for your hand.
@@domingoaltermattedwards6209turbo energize is an attack and only gets you 2 energy where terapogos gets you 3. Same energy cost. Turbo energize only has the benefit of being used while deino or hydregon is active. Terapogos is a one prizer who can get you dragon setup then just retreat with like rescue board
Is it worth to run the 3 energy colors? Considering Neo Upper, and that you can deal damage and get KOs with only Dark energies, its seems that the deck loses consistency if you run all 3. Maybe you can cut the 3 metal and increase the other 2 colors
What if you Prize Neo Upper though?
What about xatu and dark parch and crispin, that a one turn charge
At 11:08 wouldn’t it have been better to grab the hydriegon with the ultra ball and then get rare candy counter gain with the arven?
IF Hydreigon catches on, do you think you need to make space for a canceling cologne (in response to more Manaphys)
I know you are probably seeking Azul's response, but while you wait I'll give my two cents. canceling requires a gust for active spot to work, so it becomes reliant on counter catcher since we are using supporter to set up (arven, tenacity). not sure it's worth that specific slotting.
The most reliable answer to Manaphy right now from what I can tell seems to be Dusknoir, as it can knock it out with it's ability pretty easily once you get it set up
Does enamorus v stop iron thorns ex initialization ability? I’m curious about how this interaction would work does anyone know?
Since enamorus doesn't protect itself it would be shut off by thorns anyways. Even if it did, since you would need to attach an energy to put the ability online, thorns activates first so enamorus would have no ability
Whether your opponent has teras on the bench will matter as well
I would simply discard their 3 teras before they evolve
1 luminous energy may be good
If someone figures out dusknoir with hydreigon 1 turn 6 prizes
You should add Roaring Moon ex
Hydragon IS the wae.
Manaphy IS terrible but IS you cancelin colone It, you kill It plus put 130 damage on bench
So what ur saying is my Hydrapple will destroy this deck nice!
are these proxies how does he have english singles already
Proxies
Never understood the hype behind this, seems kinda shit to me
He's a TH-camr
This is content bruh
Deck sucks
It's obvs
@@Aztre40 i mean, I didn't say he shouldn't have made the video(?) I simply said the card in my opinion sucks (which is also not so obvious since it's winning city Leagues)
Personally, I think that it's only really good for the first attack: the damage could admittedly be better, but it's easier to get off and milling your opponent out of resources could be decent. The other attack, obsidian, while potentially insane if you're able to pull it off, feels a bit too clunky to me given it's ridiculous energy cost on a stage 2 card
Why is Neo upper better than Crystal?
Because you need energies of multiple different types, and neo upper energy can provide you with any 2 you need on a stage 2 Pokemon, so obviously it synergizes really well with Hydreigon. If you use sparkling crystal to try to get off the second attack, obsidian, you still need to find a way to get 3 energies onto it; also note that because it's a tool card, crystal can be gotten rid of by things like lost vacuum. But mainly, neo upper energy effectively lets you use whatever other 2 energies you like to power up Hydreigon ex's obsidian attack, and the deck also plays another way to reduce the energy cost in counter gain, which not only makes sparkling crystal redundant, but it doesn't take up your ace spec slot in the deck, either. This is all mostly theory crafting at this point, but those seem to be the main reasons from what I can tell as to why neo upper energy is the preferred ace spec in this list
@@matthewkuscienko4616 i seeeee. I just wondered because neo also takes up your attachment for turn, so kinda has the same result as Crystal in that regard? Excluding counter gain ofc. Interesting…can’t wait to see the optimal builds!!
@@matthewkuscienko4616 I also thought that pidgeot seems terrible in this deck - same as dragapult ex. But that’s also the only way to find neo upper…as opposed to arven who can grab the crystal and is a probable 4-of anyway. I agree that sacking counter gain is sad tho…it’s a weird one. Cutting pidge also allows more dark patch/crispin maybe, also helping back up the absence of Neo upper. Not trying to yk argue, just genuinely interested in how it’ll all pan out!
suuuper slow and inconsistent
i dont think it will se a lot of play