Things I learnt from this video 1. Don't be so harsh on myself in my hobby endeavours. 2. Try to expand my toolkit to help me grow. 3. Buy more Bog Roll Amazing video! Cheers Dave!
You can never have too much bog roll, my local pound shop sells huge rolls of 'blu-roll' for a couple of quid, not quite sure how that works should be the couple-of-quid-shop, plu sthe blu-roll is sometimes white. Cheaper than bog roll and a bit less flakey when it get wet.
I’m learning to embrace the school of ‘good enough’ with painting. So I’m tidy and neat and try my best but after a point I stop tearing myself up about being White dwarf standard. Feeling better already! :)
I love your rambles. Keep doing them, they always seem to make more sense than most people's vids. This is some fantastic advice. I spent 1-1/2 years studying top-of-the-line Golden Demon winners and got very little out of it, then started watching others with totally different perspectives and techniques and advanced massively. I expected too much too fast, without thinking what I **really** wanted as an end product. Painting became a downer for me until I realized I wasn't doing it for fun anymore. Changed my expectations, changed my internal toolbox (such a good term, dude!!!) and started enjoying it again. Good advice, dude. Thanks!!!
Great advice in here mate. I've been in and around the hobby for years and years and tried to do things by the book but it only got me so far. I made it a little goal to myself this year to just not be worried about "ruining" models and have a go at experimenting. I've learned more and improved so much within the first 5 months of this year than I have in all my painting past combined by doing so than I have trying to copy something by someone else. I'm not saying to not listen or watch tutorials but just take on board what they're saying, why they might do what they do from here and there. Then sit down and make your own style of said thing by trying, failing, learning from it and going again. Keep up the great work and hope your Japan trip goes well! :)
Came here to say the same - flawless smooth editing and great choices with audio cuts offset from video.
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Last summer I spent some time with coloring books and alcohol markers. That changed the way I paint my minis. Now I out much more attention to the colour and shades I use and less to the diddly details.
Great advice, Dave. Thank you. I often have to slow down and realize that the way I see someone get an effect painting, might not be the way I am able to, given my neurological difficulties.
Ah, great topic Dave. Thank you for bringing this up. It really does help sometimes to take a bit of distance on your practice and reflect on the different paths or solutions others have thought of to progress in their creative journey, whether it's fine arts or hobbies and crafts. I came back to the hobby about a year ago after decades of neglect. I had a big roadblock to circumvent. I couldn't bring myself to start painting minis because of the pressure I was putting on myself. What if I ruin it ? Will I be able to stand a mediocre result and risk to abandon it again for years because I cannot reconcile my expectations with my current skills ? So I chose a different path to build my confidence until I feel ready to tackle painting minis. I decided on kitbashing and modding every single part of my army, none using GW standard poses, always looking a bit different. And to start painting I went BIG, building big decors and honing techniques on these terrain bits that are always presented as an after thought or a necessary tedium to be able to play. First, the result seems much more atteignable, terrain bits are rarely shown painted to a Golden Demon level. So less pressure to compare your attempts to the most renowned model makers. Second, painting on a big scale helps me a lot : brush control is not as critical and you can concentrate on hues, baked-in lighting and contrast, using many (cheap) materials to just try things. And it's working !
Best video. I wish this had been a video I first watched when I started miniatures. Game changers for me were(touched upon in the video): 1. a good chair 2. Paint, I enjoy to use and just works for me. 3. Lights! Just adding a second desk lamp and changing the bulbs to daylight LEDs was huge. 4. Paint shaker/test tube mixer. 5. lastly learning it is an art and not a science. Given that it was a road of trial and error.
Great video (as always!) It's good to remind yourself every now and then that just because everyone else uses a skill doesn't mean you have to and you might find a way to do that skill better in your own way. Also, it's okay to ignore the nobs who say, "Thin your paints!" without explaining what thinning your paints involves...
What a brilliant video. I love this channel having stumbled on it recently. I have now bought bog roll. I will no longer scrape with a broken roof tile. Thanks.
This really hit home for me. I've been in the hobby since the 90's and things have changed so much and I feel like I've always struggled to keep up with the progressing and changing skillset. I've always been my own worse critic.
This might be the most insightful video about painting I’ve come across. I gradually realized these things about 3 years ago and my painting exploded, both in quality and enjoyment of the process.
Great video. My personal tip: Learn from others (obviously), BUT, and this is where many people fail on/struggle with, is finding what works for oneself based on everything. Everyone is different, from their way of thinking, observing, to physically interacting with the world. Find what works for YOU, and to keep at it.
This video is wonderful. With all the content consumption that we generally taka part in in the wargaming hobby community, these points you bring up in this video are increasingly important to remember. The most important thing is remembering to still treat it as a hobby, do it for the sheer enjoyment, for the fuck of it, learn a new thing, try a different way, see what YOU like. That's the only reason we should be doing it.
Great video as per usual, your perspective is very much appreciated. Have a great time in Japan, your perspective will be even more enriched than it already is. Good luck and keep up the good work. 👍🏻 and utter respect 🫡
These kind of "Dude, you are good enough!!!" videos are much needed. I'd love to paint to the level of some of the guys and gals on here, but ive realised that im more than happy with the level im at right now. Obviously I'm not against improving, but as a really slow painter with limited time to spare, I think my time is better spent finishing 5 minis to an acceptable level over finishing 1 mini just 10% better. Its not like im going to be enter Golden Demon any time soon ....
In the old days, you were just given the basic techniques; (base coats, wash, highlights.) And then a few tips, (light sources, metallics.) Then you got on with it for hours and hours, while everyone else watched Terry Wogan. Now there are millions of videos saying buy these exact materials and do this exact process. A balance between DIY and outside input is required.
Lovely vid. Rituals provide a great deal of usefulness and short hand for how we go through processes. But absolutely need periodic reflection to make sure they still match our needs.
Hyperbole is the absolute worst! 🤬😄 Thanks for another great video, Dave; you put so much thought and effort in to these, and I really appreciate it. That's a nice, robust looking Sigil of Gate on Dave's right arm.
Great Video. I totally agree with you about demystifying the ritual. You can watch all the tutorial videos there are and not be happy with the outcome. Just sitting and trying out something that came to you during doing something else can be liberating for your hobby.
This is the first video of yours I've seen and I really enjoyed. You're super relaxing to listen to and I loved all your points and silly jokes. Subscribed
Thank you the thoughts! They are really usefull for me and i think not just for me, i will use the tollbox analogy with referring to you. One of my jobs is teaching in a carpenter school and here unfortunatly the kids who goes to the professionals midschool mostly who were not needed elsewhere and sometimes really hard the explain to them why is good for them to learn something.
I feel that I've gotten worse as a painter as the years have gone by looking at my older work, I'm currently trying to reteach myself the techniques from those days great vdeo as always
Like how you mentioned the couldn't learn edge highlight online. I was the same no matter how many videos and tutorials. I couldn't get my head around layered painting and even now I still can't do it 😅 layered painting is my kryptonite haha
I think your pretty much spot on, you have to find your own technique and way of doing things!! Everyone is different and what works for me wont work for bill or bob!! I will start trying some different paints tho at some point as i heard Duncans Two thin coats are really good!!
I've always found that pushing through that disenchantment phase immediately puts you in the headspace of actually practicing and learning even better than before. Been there a few times with guitar. Also, read the Necronomicon or listen to Morbid Angel much, MS?
I'm definitely a tea person. And since I've just bought my third valve compressor, I am feeling a little called out. Cheers Dee Dawg, you, Hector and Tony are why I click, but I always learn something.
1-3 paint layers from airbrush, couple details, gloss varnishing and oil wash over everything. Painting HH just teaches you how to paint much faster and more effectively.
Sometimes you just have to keep painting, even if it isn't working for you, because until the painting is complete you can't see the full picture of how every stage of painting interacts with each other, and why one stage actually may or may not be working.
Sometimes its not terrible looking mini that looks terrible, but emotions looking at it brings. Same other way. I have few decent, at least for my skills, minis that look horrible for me, and i know its because it reminds me bad times. On the other hand - i have for example gutrippa that i tested drybrushing every color on to check how fast i can finish it. I love this one and i will never say its terrible. This gutrippa on the other hand remind me painting session with my 7 year old son where he did impressive savage orc standard bearer and we had great time together.
Jesus christ this entire video read me for filth lmao. Can I please hire you to be my inner monologue? The one Ive got now sucks 😂 for real though, some real abosolute nuggets of info in here, and no pointless bs. Such an instant sub
@@MSPaints cant be any worse than mine! The whole vid was very on point though. Im a CPTSD suffer and my hands shake like a pisshead on a detox so its nice to have someone outright say to me that the technique Im using is right, I just need to adapt that technique around the challenge to get the results I need. The old "show your workings out" if you will!
Great viewing. 👍 for me doing the hobby little & often helps, rather than saving it all up for a marathon 6hr painting session Keep taking little steps. More dopamine hits & progress is easier to see.
Almost every video that you make has a tid bit of nostalgia that brings me back to my childhood... my roots... Pokemon fuggin SNPA soundtrack hit me in the feels man! XD Well done!!! And such wonderful wisdom as well! Made me realise I had my own honeymoon phase with 3D printing and that maybe I should try to get back into it :P
Excellent thought provoking video. My painting style is somewhat against current received wisdom. I think this gives me backbone to continue and experiment. Cheers.
13:15 I laughed so hard at this part. I know the feeling of having to change stuff, when my MS popped up my first warning sign was sticking the head in the concrete floor trying to tie my damn shoe laces. I miss sports sometimes. :(
Brilliant video, many thanks. I have recently returned to model making after many decades of absence. I started where I left off, 1:700 scale model ships. I am now into wooden ship kits. Do I think wood is better than plastic, certainly not, would I go back to plastic, yes possibly. Change has made my hobby better, for me, and that's the important thing. Many thanks for your words of simple wisdom.
Everyone is unique in their own way , following others can via you off the path that is right for you. I usually pick the things out of teachings that are new to me
I haven't picked up a brush in over a decade because of a combination of time, space and money, the variables have changed recently such that I will soon be picking it up again, but that's beside my point. The thing is, I'm arthritic, and certain things I just can't do for long periods of time. For instance, I didn't really like to paint tanks or large models in general, because of the amount of time it took me with a brush, and holding an old school airbrush was quite painful, quite quickly. Now, things have changed such that we have contrast paints, so I don't have to over thin multiple layers of acrylic to get a decent look with grey / white drybrushing on a black primed model, I hear the kids these days call this "slapchop". I'm more concerned that since a lot of the paint companies I used to use have disappeared, Armory flesh kit for one, which is going to lead to a big step back beyond simple skill atrophy. Still, this is something that people need to hear at various points in this hobby.
Edge highlighting sucks ass in general, but I agree I've gone from trying to use like a size 0/3 brush to a size 6 with a nice fine tip as my workhorse.
So True .. Try Stuff ...Take short cuts .. It's about what ever works for you ... Im Lazy and Love Short Cuts, It's amazing how much you don't have to do to paint stuff .. ✌️💚
I battle this by focussing on asking "why do I hate what I am looking at?" and chaining that into "What actionable steps canI take to resolve that?" Creating plans means I alwaus keep a sense of progress
I'm weirdly obssessive compulsive about painting (or perfectionist, I don't know). Its held me bad from techniques like zenithal highlighting because inevitably theres a little hair or bit of grit in the paint somewhere that I've just got to get out and cant fix the blend to make it look perfect, then its all I can look at. I'd rather get the paint on neat and solid than use techniques I can't control as easily. I know it's weird and I'm not really pushing myself but I've had to come to terms with it.
Thanks for this. I feel keeping the expansion of the technical toolbox under control is one of the most important things in the hobby. I ordered the full Warcolour One Coat and Layer Paint sets with 100+ bottles because it sounded like such a cool system and such a cool medium. And it MIGHT be. Really. It is probably a me problem, not a problem of the paints. But for me they are utter shit and I hate that I bought them. The One Coat line is amazing. It does what it says. Cover in one coat. The others and the gel medium makes me want to chew my hands off. They have the coverage of water and dont paint at all. I'm only able to move them around on the surface like a blob of glycerol leaving a snaketrail of a hint of color on the model. Sure, I tried to mix them with water and traditional acrylic medium or thinner but...that just makes them even less covering and more weird. Sorry for the rant. Stay away unless you are really willing to learn to control something alien in comparison to Vallejo, Citadel or Scale75. Oh, and let them dry for much longer after each layer. If not, you will strip it right off the primer or next layer underneath. That was the most horrible thing. I still refuse to believe that the brand is bad though. I mean Vince is using them, right?
@@MSPaints I don’t know if I was momentarily insane or not. I was watching on my phone and at the top of the screen where 4 green boxes. Now on my computer they are gone. Also checked my phone and still not there. Guess I’m insane. Sorry to bother.
Wow been modeling (not in the flesh but small scale white metal stuff) for forty years or so now, and I find that you get your own feel for doing something, in your own way. If it works stick with it same goes for paint, brushes ect... Tutorials on T'internet are good for ideas and then find your own way of doing it. The amount of figures I have stripped and started again. The big problem I think is people today want it now, are not prepared to put the time in or the effort to produce something. Hell I've been planning a model railway for over ten years.... Works out I don't have the room but hey ho. Back to 6mm stuff, I have the room for that and some 15mm. End of day don't be blinded by what you see and hear, do your own thing your own way and if that doesn't work just change it a little until it does. But most of all ENJOY YOUR HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your way.
@@MSPaints Hey Dave. Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your channel. I also suffer from a degenerative illness which has left me with a collapsed lumbar spine, spinal stenosis, nerve damage and chronic pain. Some days my hands shake so bad I can't grab anything. I have frequent spasm attacks on the left side of my body which are worse at night. And I've lost feeling in my hands and feet. I love the miniature hobby but find it really hard to paint. I've had to learn how to use masking fluid and airbrushing. I'm starting my own channel very soon. Thanks for the inspiration. You're a legend.
Something I have found is I think my finished mini's are a bit crap, but when you show a photo of it to a fellow painter nerd friend they think its awesome. They show you a pic of their latest mini and you are blown away by it, but they think its shit. I think we are always our own harshest critic, maybe its because we spend hours staring at the same model and know where all the little fek-ups are. Decent lighting helped me no end, I have crap aging eyesight and 2 cheap(ish) IKEA angle poise lights made SO much difference to my painting, also using a bigger brush with a nice tip made a huge difference, 95% of my painting is done with a size 2 or 3 brush these days, I tend to only use anything smaller if I am bothering to try to mess up painting eyes.
I know from The Independent Characters podcast, most minis you paint (usually around the base layer) hits an ugly paint job phase. Just keep going with the highlights/shades & it will start looking great. Another great tip is getting better lights for the painting area. You should try to improve on your painted minis, learn techniques from everyone in the hobby but don't feel down when you compare your stuff to someone painting for decades in the hobby.
I’ve tried following guides, made me feel stupid coz they’re all like “it’s dead easy, anyone can do it” Weirdly I think that’s still a good stage to go through, you learn what works, what doesn’t work, and then you can find your own path and your own style Basically I ended up picking and choosing what works for me. I also heard the phrase “three foot fabulous” from Doug, at 2+ Tough. That really altered the way I see minis. Getting something to look good on camera is wayyyy harder than getting it to look good IRL I think there was a huge pressure to get photogenic models rather than just whacking out a fully painted army, which looks amazing as a whole, rather than individually And yeh, changing to Scale 75/pro acryl my paint style improved massively. I was surprised at that I stopped using washes too, that also helped hugely, so I add shadows by adding purple/grey to a midtone etc
It depends a great deal on WHY you paint miniatures. For most of my life I painted wargame armies. That means I painted over 200 figures all with the same uniform. When done they were glued down 4 to a base and put in a travel box. I did not worry about "layering" Now I'm starting to paint a higher standard of figure and I'm starting to look at videos like this: Crucial Brush Control Techniques for Miniature Painting th-cam.com/video/99gvTw5aJWQ/w-d-xo.html
I’ve been painting black templars and slowed down. It’s not the hobby it’s that the color scheme is too bland. As a starter army it was good when it came to learning, now I’m looking for something to step up to
@@MSPaints i live with disabling chronic pain and fatigue from failed surgeries mate I know hiw hard life can be so i get it and if you ever need a chat with someone who gets shit im here in nottingham dude and ive got beer, paint spare minis and a good smoke. Big hugs dude and give the safety frog a hug from me.
A big thing that helped me in my journey: finding a brush that really clicks with me The BIGGEST thing that helped me: Stop comparing myself to all of the talented painters. I just learned to enjoy the craft and try new things.
Those old paint lines you no longer use .. i throw all mine in a box, and use them on terrain. Might as well, especially when you have better versions of similar colours.
So cool to see goobertown on this video. He got me to paint my first mini and you got me to build my first board. Btw I did not make it 4x4...if you know you know.
love planned out stuff you've done but also loving this less-structured waffle video, shades of Steve Shives phoning it in with his comment response videos " not actually, trek actually ". Just doing you is one of those freeing things, NOT easy, takes bravery and an amount of self assuredness that's not really possible to fake. Anyway off to Morrisons to fetch in some extra backend cleaning material.
"User tempered expectation of reality" is something I find some gamers lack. Like before Cyberpunk 2077 officially came out there were gamers who assumed you could enter any building, go through every room just like IRL. Meanwhile, I'm over here thinking "Dude, it's a shooter RPG. Most of the buildings are for pretty. Like in every other RPG, or any game for that matter." I think one of the best tabletop mini games to get into is Space Weirdos. It's simple, easy to learn, and requires hardly anything to get into. Hell, you could skip actual minis and just use toys. But really you can do that with any game I guess ( Sisters of Battle. Nope. Golden Girls funkos). Still though, great game, dirt cheap at $5, small model count, good stuff.
"talking about learning how to do drum bus and throwing other peoples tutorials out the window" - Yes, been there, done that! got my own way of doing it. I have never thought of using SoundGoodizer on it tho! im gonna try that!
Things I learnt from this video
1. Don't be so harsh on myself in my hobby endeavours.
2. Try to expand my toolkit to help me grow.
3. Buy more Bog Roll
Amazing video! Cheers Dave!
And now we now who to blame for the next looroll shortage...
You can never have too much bog roll, my local pound shop sells huge rolls of 'blu-roll' for a couple of quid, not quite sure how that works should be the couple-of-quid-shop, plu sthe blu-roll is sometimes white. Cheaper than bog roll and a bit less flakey when it get wet.
Dave makes the videos. I watch Dave videos. Dead simple.
I like Dave videos. Simple.
Love Dave, 'ate me minis, simple as
I’m learning to embrace the school of ‘good enough’ with painting. So I’m tidy and neat and try my best but after a point I stop tearing myself up about being White dwarf standard. Feeling better already! :)
Aye, tidy end product is usually my end goal. Nowt special. Just tidy.
Why I love 52 miniatures. He tries new things, shared his toolbox. I can swipe his tools while he's not looking. :D Great video.
Yeah. He's a boss.
I love your rambles. Keep doing them, they always seem to make more sense than most people's vids.
This is some fantastic advice. I spent 1-1/2 years studying top-of-the-line Golden Demon winners and got very little out of it, then started watching others with totally different perspectives and techniques and advanced massively. I expected too much too fast, without thinking what I **really** wanted as an end product. Painting became a downer for me until I realized I wasn't doing it for fun anymore. Changed my expectations, changed my internal toolbox (such a good term, dude!!!) and started enjoying it again.
Good advice, dude. Thanks!!!
Great advice in here mate. I've been in and around the hobby for years and years and tried to do things by the book but it only got me so far. I made it a little goal to myself this year to just not be worried about "ruining" models and have a go at experimenting. I've learned more and improved so much within the first 5 months of this year than I have in all my painting past combined by doing so than I have trying to copy something by someone else.
I'm not saying to not listen or watch tutorials but just take on board what they're saying, why they might do what they do from here and there. Then sit down and make your own style of said thing by trying, failing, learning from it and going again.
Keep up the great work and hope your Japan trip goes well! :)
Loving the style of the video and cuts and way the next cuts audio bleeds into the previous cut, thing of beauty.
Came here to say the same - flawless smooth editing and great choices with audio cuts offset from video.
Last summer I spent some time with coloring books and alcohol markers. That changed the way I paint my minis. Now I out much more attention to the colour and shades I use and less to the diddly details.
Wise words.. been thinking "this should be better" but it's a journey not a destination... Nice one !
Great advice, Dave. Thank you. I often have to slow down and realize that the way I see someone get an effect painting, might not be the way I am able to, given my neurological difficulties.
Ah, great topic Dave. Thank you for bringing this up. It really does help sometimes to take a bit of distance on your practice and reflect on the different paths or solutions others have thought of to progress in their creative journey, whether it's fine arts or hobbies and crafts. I came back to the hobby about a year ago after decades of neglect. I had a big roadblock to circumvent. I couldn't bring myself to start painting minis because of the pressure I was putting on myself. What if I ruin it ? Will I be able to stand a mediocre result and risk to abandon it again for years because I cannot reconcile my expectations with my current skills ?
So I chose a different path to build my confidence until I feel ready to tackle painting minis. I decided on kitbashing and modding every single part of my army, none using GW standard poses, always looking a bit different. And to start painting I went BIG, building big decors and honing techniques on these terrain bits that are always presented as an after thought or a necessary tedium to be able to play. First, the result seems much more atteignable, terrain bits are rarely shown painted to a Golden Demon level. So less pressure to compare your attempts to the most renowned model makers. Second, painting on a big scale helps me a lot : brush control is not as critical and you can concentrate on hues, baked-in lighting and contrast, using many (cheap) materials to just try things. And it's working !
Best video. I wish this had been a video I first watched when I started miniatures. Game changers for me were(touched upon in the video):
1. a good chair
2. Paint, I enjoy to use and just works for me.
3. Lights! Just adding a second desk lamp and changing the bulbs to daylight LEDs was huge.
4. Paint shaker/test tube mixer.
5. lastly learning it is an art and not a science. Given that it was a road of trial and error.
The toolkit comment is soo right, i decided to cook from fresh a lot more and the knife skills have improved my brush sensitivity
Great video (as always!) It's good to remind yourself every now and then that just because everyone else uses a skill doesn't mean you have to and you might find a way to do that skill better in your own way. Also, it's okay to ignore the nobs who say, "Thin your paints!" without explaining what thinning your paints involves...
This video speaks to my soul! It should be required watching for anybody whether new to the hobby or a veteran. I just need to do it my way.
A ritual I cant seem to break is - I always paint the faces first, so I have someone to talk to. But you provide cracking advice all around. Cheers!
What a brilliant video. I love this channel having stumbled on it recently. I have now bought bog roll. I will no longer scrape with a broken roof tile. Thanks.
Such a horrendous image! thank you!
@@MSPaints sorry. Your channel is brilliant.
This really hit home for me. I've been in the hobby since the 90's and things have changed so much and I feel like I've always struggled to keep up with the progressing and changing skillset. I've always been my own worse critic.
Was half expecting you to say "welcome back" in Prof Oaks voice and then go on a photo tour around an island :)
Keep pushing yourself to learn skills to expand your toolkit is spot on.
Nice to see John Chumpchange again!
This might be the most insightful video about painting I’ve come across. I gradually realized these things about 3 years ago and my painting exploded, both in quality and enjoyment of the process.
Thank you mate!
Thank you 😊
Great video. My personal tip: Learn from others (obviously), BUT, and this is where many people fail on/struggle with, is finding what works for oneself based on everything. Everyone is different, from their way of thinking, observing, to physically interacting with the world. Find what works for YOU, and to keep at it.
This video is wonderful. With all the content consumption that we generally taka part in in the wargaming hobby community, these points you bring up in this video are increasingly important to remember. The most important thing is remembering to still treat it as a hobby, do it for the sheer enjoyment, for the fuck of it, learn a new thing, try a different way, see what YOU like. That's the only reason we should be doing it.
Absolutely love your perspective. Thanks for the vid!
Holy shit! The "getting rid of the ritual" part makes so much sense, i am mad at myself for not thinking about it sooner
Thanks for making me feel like I'm having a chat and a pint or cup of coffee with my friend. Made my day, and I am sure others feel the same.
"Sound-goodizer" !!! Brilliant! 😆
Great video as per usual, your perspective is very much appreciated. Have a great time in Japan, your perspective will be even more enriched than it already is. Good luck and keep up the good work. 👍🏻 and utter respect 🫡
These kind of "Dude, you are good enough!!!" videos are much needed.
I'd love to paint to the level of some of the guys and gals on here, but ive realised that im more than happy with the level im at right now. Obviously I'm not against improving, but as a really slow painter with limited time to spare, I think my time is better spent finishing 5 minis to an acceptable level over finishing 1 mini just 10% better. Its not like im going to be enter Golden Demon any time soon ....
In the old days, you were just given the basic techniques; (base coats, wash, highlights.) And then a few tips, (light sources, metallics.) Then you got on with it for hours and hours, while everyone else watched Terry Wogan. Now there are millions of videos saying buy these exact materials and do this exact process. A balance between DIY and outside input is required.
Lovely vid. Rituals provide a great deal of usefulness and short hand for how we go through processes. But absolutely need periodic reflection to make sure they still match our needs.
Hyperbole is the absolute worst! 🤬😄
Thanks for another great video, Dave; you put so much thought and effort in to these, and I really appreciate it.
That's a nice, robust looking Sigil of Gate on Dave's right arm.
A lot of people mentioning that tattoo for the first time today haha! Maybe I’ve just had it hidden all this time!
@@MSPaints Maybe it is just that the Stars are Right!
Brilliant video! Your ability to articulate ideas and abstract concepts and present it all in a warm and calm way makes you a great teacher.
Great Video. I totally agree with you about demystifying the ritual. You can watch all the tutorial videos there are and not be happy with the outcome. Just sitting and trying out something that came to you during doing something else can be liberating for your hobby.
This is the first video of yours I've seen and I really enjoyed. You're super relaxing to listen to and I loved all your points and silly jokes. Subscribed
Thank you the thoughts! They are really usefull for me and i think not just for me, i will use the tollbox analogy with referring to you. One of my jobs is teaching in a carpenter school and here unfortunatly the kids who goes to the professionals midschool mostly who were not needed elsewhere and sometimes really hard the explain to them why is good for them to learn something.
I feel that I've gotten worse as a painter as the years have gone by looking at my older work, I'm currently trying to reteach myself the techniques from those days
great vdeo as always
Like how you mentioned the couldn't learn edge highlight online. I was the same no matter how many videos and tutorials. I couldn't get my head around layered painting and even now I still can't do it 😅 layered painting is my kryptonite haha
I think your pretty much spot on, you have to find your own technique and way of doing things!!
Everyone is different and what works for me wont work for bill or bob!!
I will start trying some different paints tho at some point as i heard Duncans Two thin coats are really good!!
I've always found that pushing through that disenchantment phase immediately puts you in the headspace of actually practicing and learning even better than before. Been there a few times with guitar.
Also, read the Necronomicon or listen to Morbid Angel much, MS?
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
I'm definitely a tea person. And since I've just bought my third valve compressor, I am feeling a little called out.
Cheers Dee Dawg, you, Hector and Tony are why I click, but I always learn something.
This is one of the best and honest hobby vids I’ve ever watched.
Loving the old school Nintendo Eshop music!!!❤❤❤ awesome video and content as usual, stay safe brother!🎉
1-3 paint layers from airbrush, couple details, gloss varnishing and oil wash over everything. Painting HH just teaches you how to paint much faster and more effectively.
Sometimes you just have to keep painting, even if it isn't working for you, because until the painting is complete you can't see the full picture of how every stage of painting interacts with each other, and why one stage actually may or may not be working.
Fantastic content in this video, but just wanna highlight that the leading audio while you let your reactions play out is spot on!
Sometimes its not terrible looking mini that looks terrible, but emotions looking at it brings. Same other way. I have few decent, at least for my skills, minis that look horrible for me, and i know its because it reminds me bad times. On the other hand - i have for example gutrippa that i tested drybrushing every color on to check how fast i can finish it. I love this one and i will never say its terrible. This gutrippa on the other hand remind me painting session with my 7 year old son where he did impressive savage orc standard bearer and we had great time together.
You may just be one perspective, but you are a very welcome one! Some great advice for getting unstuck from all kinds of ruts.
Jesus christ this entire video read me for filth lmao. Can I please hire you to be my inner monologue? The one Ive got now sucks 😂 for real though, some real abosolute nuggets of info in here, and no pointless bs. Such an instant sub
You don’t want my internal monologue. He’s horrendous hahaha
@@MSPaints cant be any worse than mine! The whole vid was very on point though. Im a CPTSD suffer and my hands shake like a pisshead on a detox so its nice to have someone outright say to me that the technique Im using is right, I just need to adapt that technique around the challenge to get the results I need. The old "show your workings out" if you will!
Got a great tip for edge highlighting.
Fnck edge highlighting.
Great viewing. 👍 for me doing the hobby little & often helps, rather than saving it all up for a marathon 6hr painting session
Keep taking little steps. More dopamine hits & progress is easier to see.
Almost every video that you make has a tid bit of nostalgia that brings me back to my childhood... my roots... Pokemon fuggin SNPA soundtrack hit me in the feels man! XD Well done!!! And such wonderful wisdom as well! Made me realise I had my own honeymoon phase with 3D printing and that maybe I should try to get back into it :P
Excellent thought provoking video. My painting style is somewhat against current received wisdom. I think this gives me backbone to continue and experiment. Cheers.
What a great video. Next video can be ‘what’s the best paintbrush’. Ha ha. Nice work mate
Awesome video, all true...especially the bit about not eating whole trees and buy more bog rol. 😊
13:15 I laughed so hard at this part. I know the feeling of having to change stuff, when my MS popped up my first warning sign was sticking the head in the concrete floor trying to tie my damn shoe laces. I miss sports sometimes. :(
Great to hear you're coming to Japan! Let me know if you need any help while you're here. Would be great just to meet up for a chat
Brilliant video, many thanks.
I have recently returned to model making after many decades of absence. I started where I left off, 1:700 scale model ships. I am now into wooden ship kits. Do I think wood is better than plastic, certainly not, would I go back to plastic, yes possibly. Change has made my hobby better, for me, and that's the important thing.
Many thanks for your words of simple wisdom.
Great perspective thanks.
Everyone is unique in their own way , following others can via you off the path that is right for you. I usually pick the things out of teachings that are new to me
I haven't picked up a brush in over a decade because of a combination of time, space and money, the variables have changed recently such that I will soon be picking it up again, but that's beside my point. The thing is, I'm arthritic, and certain things I just can't do for long periods of time. For instance, I didn't really like to paint tanks or large models in general, because of the amount of time it took me with a brush, and holding an old school airbrush was quite painful, quite quickly. Now, things have changed such that we have contrast paints, so I don't have to over thin multiple layers of acrylic to get a decent look with grey / white drybrushing on a black primed model, I hear the kids these days call this "slapchop". I'm more concerned that since a lot of the paint companies I used to use have disappeared, Armory flesh kit for one, which is going to lead to a big step back beyond simple skill atrophy.
Still, this is something that people need to hear at various points in this hobby.
Edge highlighting sucks ass in general, but I agree I've gone from trying to use like a size 0/3 brush to a size 6 with a nice fine tip as my workhorse.
So True .. Try Stuff ...Take short cuts .. It's about what ever works for you ... Im Lazy and Love Short Cuts, It's amazing how much you don't have to do to paint stuff .. ✌️💚
I battle this by focussing on asking "why do I hate what I am looking at?" and chaining that into "What actionable steps canI take to resolve that?"
Creating plans means I alwaus keep a sense of progress
Thanks Dave.
Dave, at 11:53 does Tony cross the camera in high-speed perpetual sideways motion?
I'm weirdly obssessive compulsive about painting (or perfectionist, I don't know). Its held me bad from techniques like zenithal highlighting because inevitably theres a little hair or bit of grit in the paint somewhere that I've just got to get out and cant fix the blend to make it look perfect, then its all I can look at. I'd rather get the paint on neat and solid than use techniques I can't control as easily. I know it's weird and I'm not really pushing myself but I've had to come to terms with it.
Sound advice as always. I knew there was a reason I liked you. Great work mate
Thank you. I needed this.
Speaking of kellog..take a look at road to wellville lol
Thanks for this.
I feel keeping the expansion of the technical toolbox under control is one of the most important things in the hobby. I ordered the full Warcolour One Coat and Layer Paint sets with 100+ bottles because it sounded like such a cool system and such a cool medium. And it MIGHT be. Really. It is probably a me problem, not a problem of the paints. But for me they are utter shit and I hate that I bought them. The One Coat line is amazing. It does what it says. Cover in one coat. The others and the gel medium makes me want to chew my hands off. They have the coverage of water and dont paint at all. I'm only able to move them around on the surface like a blob of glycerol leaving a snaketrail of a hint of color on the model. Sure, I tried to mix them with water and traditional acrylic medium or thinner but...that just makes them even less covering and more weird. Sorry for the rant. Stay away unless you are really willing to learn to control something alien in comparison to Vallejo, Citadel or Scale75. Oh, and let them dry for much longer after each layer. If not, you will strip it right off the primer or next layer underneath. That was the most horrible thing.
I still refuse to believe that the brand is bad though. I mean Vince is using them, right?
Great stuff thanks dude, I can’t stand the tutorials that are titled “you’re doing this wrong!”
What’s up with those green squares on the top of the screen?
Where? What?
@@MSPaints I don’t know if I was momentarily insane or not. I was watching on my phone and at the top of the screen where 4 green boxes. Now on my computer they are gone. Also checked my phone and still not there. Guess I’m insane. Sorry to bother.
@@harrymcgill9393 that’s okay, thought I was also going bonkers! Haha
Love the long stare into the far away lands of inspiration... "swallow a tree" Nice! 8)
Hi. What are your plans for Japan?
I think every painted mini looks great as long as someone feels it's finished. It's another page in our legacies!
Thank you again for another great video!
Wow been modeling (not in the flesh but small scale white metal stuff) for forty years or so now, and I find that you get your own feel for doing something, in your own way. If it works stick with it same goes for paint, brushes ect... Tutorials on T'internet are good for ideas and then find your own way of doing it. The amount of figures I have stripped and started again. The big problem I think is people today want it now, are not prepared to put the time in or the effort to produce something. Hell I've been planning a model railway for over ten years.... Works out I don't have the room but hey ho. Back to 6mm stuff, I have the room for that and some 15mm. End of day don't be blinded by what you see and hear, do your own thing your own way and if that doesn't work just change it a little until it does. But most of all ENJOY YOUR HOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your way.
"Hey Alexa - add bogroll to the shopping list"
Cheers Dave!
Any time bay bay
Hey Dave. I think the word you were looking for was transferable. Another great video.
I’m keeping INTERSKILLUABLE
@@MSPaints Hey Dave. Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy your channel. I also suffer from a degenerative illness which has left me with a collapsed lumbar spine, spinal stenosis, nerve damage and chronic pain. Some days my hands shake so bad I can't grab anything. I have frequent spasm attacks on the left side of my body which are worse at night. And I've lost feeling in my hands and feet. I love the miniature hobby but find it really hard to paint. I've had to learn how to use masking fluid and airbrushing. I'm starting my own channel very soon. Thanks for the inspiration. You're a legend.
@@RuthlessMojo true hobby hero, Mojo. Send me an insta when you’re up and running and I’ll make sure to give you a shoutout.
Something I have found is I think my finished mini's are a bit crap, but when you show a photo of it to a fellow painter nerd friend they think its awesome. They show you a pic of their latest mini and you are blown away by it, but they think its shit. I think we are always our own harshest critic, maybe its because we spend hours staring at the same model and know where all the little fek-ups are.
Decent lighting helped me no end, I have crap aging eyesight and 2 cheap(ish) IKEA angle poise lights made SO much difference to my painting, also using a bigger brush with a nice tip made a huge difference, 95% of my painting is done with a size 2 or 3 brush these days, I tend to only use anything smaller if I am bothering to try to mess up painting eyes.
I know from The Independent Characters podcast, most minis you paint (usually around the base layer) hits an ugly paint job phase. Just keep going with the highlights/shades & it will start looking great. Another great tip is getting better lights for the painting area.
You should try to improve on your painted minis, learn techniques from everyone in the hobby but don't feel down when you compare your stuff to someone painting for decades in the hobby.
I’ve tried following guides, made me feel stupid coz they’re all like “it’s dead easy, anyone can do it”
Weirdly I think that’s still a good stage to go through, you learn what works, what doesn’t work, and then you can find your own path and your own style
Basically I ended up picking and choosing what works for me.
I also heard the phrase “three foot fabulous” from Doug, at 2+ Tough. That really altered the way I see minis. Getting something to look good on camera is wayyyy harder than getting it to look good IRL
I think there was a huge pressure to get photogenic models rather than just whacking out a fully painted army, which looks amazing as a whole, rather than individually
And yeh, changing to Scale 75/pro acryl my paint style improved massively. I was surprised at that
I stopped using washes too, that also helped hugely, so I add shadows by adding purple/grey to a midtone etc
3 foot fabulous! I’ll remember that one!
1.05...ive had a life changing shift..usually after a curry...(roll on snare drum)
It depends a great deal on WHY you paint miniatures.
For most of my life I painted wargame armies. That means I painted over 200 figures all with the same uniform. When done they were glued down 4 to a base and put in a travel box.
I did not worry about "layering"
Now I'm starting to paint a higher standard of figure and I'm starting to look at videos like this: Crucial Brush Control Techniques for Miniature Painting th-cam.com/video/99gvTw5aJWQ/w-d-xo.html
Great advice boss!
I’ve been painting black templars and slowed down. It’s not the hobby it’s that the color scheme is too bland. As a starter army it was good when it came to learning, now I’m looking for something to step up to
Hope your all good this video makes me want to have a brew with you and ask you if your alright.
Aaaaaye lad, all good cheers Tom. I just come
Across as doomed when I’m knackered haja
@@MSPaints i live with disabling chronic pain and fatigue from failed surgeries mate I know hiw hard life can be so i get it and if you ever need a chat with someone who gets shit im here in nottingham dude and ive got beer, paint spare minis and a good smoke. Big hugs dude and give the safety frog a hug from me.
I thought you were gonna say our models look terrible compared to the models in white dwarf etc because they use photoshop.
A big thing that helped me in my journey: finding a brush that really clicks with me
The BIGGEST thing that helped me: Stop comparing myself to all of the talented painters. I just learned to enjoy the craft and try new things.
PREACH!!
Those old paint lines you no longer use .. i throw all mine in a box, and use them on terrain. Might as well, especially when you have better versions of similar colours.
So cool to see goobertown on this video. He got me to paint my first mini and you got me to build my first board. Btw I did not make it 4x4...if you know you know.
love planned out stuff you've done but also loving this less-structured waffle video, shades of Steve Shives phoning it in with his comment response videos " not actually, trek actually ". Just doing you is one of those freeing things, NOT easy, takes bravery and an amount of self assuredness that's not really possible to fake. Anyway off to Morrisons to fetch in some extra backend cleaning material.
I could listen to you all day :)
"User tempered expectation of reality" is something I find some gamers lack. Like before Cyberpunk 2077 officially came out there were gamers who assumed you could enter any building, go through every room just like IRL. Meanwhile, I'm over here thinking "Dude, it's a shooter RPG. Most of the buildings are for pretty. Like in every other RPG, or any game for that matter." I think one of the best tabletop mini games to get into is Space Weirdos. It's simple, easy to learn, and requires hardly anything to get into. Hell, you could skip actual minis and just use toys. But really you can do that with any game I guess ( Sisters of Battle. Nope. Golden Girls funkos). Still though, great game, dirt cheap at $5, small model count, good stuff.
Great example with cyberpunk!
All good.
Thanks for the videos enjoy japan
"talking about learning how to do drum bus and throwing other peoples tutorials out the window" - Yes, been there, done that! got my own way of doing it. I have never thought of using SoundGoodizer on it tho! im gonna try that!